Apple River stabbing trial: Prosecutor Karl Anderson's closing argument [FULL]
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- St. Croix County District Attorney Karl Anderson delivers his closing argument for the prosecution. Anderson called Miu's actions “horrific” and “senseless," saying walking up to Dante Carlson when he had a clear path to retreat refutes any self-defense argument.
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"You'll see Dante recoil from the stab"
No, I guess I wouldn't actually because this cameraman fucking sucks
The cmaera man was there to collect clout and eventually to count coup. He stayed out of it though, other than to incite a mob of 13 to commit violence that would get him tik tok views.
He was shaken up!
@@lindaneely3977he’s referring to the court room camera man. He sucks
He really does suck
HE WAS A KID !!!! NOT A CAMERA MAN GEEZE REALLY ???????
"All he had to do was walk away"
Same can be said about them all.
Yep, but nobody else brought a knife to the party.
Yet, it was where they were minding their own business until Miu came up to them... keep forgetting that important detail?
“All he had to do is walk away”
All they had to do after the alleged “punch” was call the police
All they had to do when they discovered a man “looking for little girls” was…call the police
This case is so wrong; I’m surprised Thomas Binger isn’t helping to prosecute it 🤮
@@angelacampbell8737so if I carry a pocket knife that dissolves everyone around me of personal responsibility? Wtf?!
@@libralillyknitsman we still got good people in this world. Thank you ❤
Terribly camera work. Focus on the lawyer and evidence. Not the audience. They have enough pain. Leave them alone.
OMG 4:31 is a nice close-up of a shoe.....
Its been that way all trial. The camera man is not able to see and react to what is going on in the court. I also think he is deaf and cant hear what anybody is saying.
They took the sleepy juror off the jury and put her to work on the camera
The whole trial needed a tech intern the whole time.
@sofakingrad353 I heard he is the prosecutor's son.
Don't touch people.
Underrated comment
Don’t stab people lol
@@fluffybunny9534 don't punch people under water while being in a gang of 13...
don't get in people face when they're literally telling you to go away, then hit a chick and expect to not get your ass beat by every guy in the group lol
@@Ciiipphe told the cops the only part that hurt him was his butt from falling in the rocks lmao
This particular prosecutor is the most unskilled and poorly spoken of any I've seen. His partner, who did the cross-examination on the defendant, should have been doing closing arguments.
I was thinking that, too.
@@kathyjohnson1911I agree. Absolutely horrible.
I was just thinking the same thing. This guy is terrible. He needs to be observing for like three more years of trials before you actually prosecute anybody for a serious crime looks like a highschooler, making an English presentation a bad one.
It’s true! Especially if you compare is closing to the defendants closing.
Who cares as long as he mentions the important facts.
the camera man should be on trial.
That pissed me off.
Ha ha ha? Trivialize this trial?
@@Grammichal ha ha ha? yes? why not?
@@poboxchristmas380 Sorry, if you don’t understand, I’m confident I can’t explain it
@@Grammichal I'm confident that you never could explain it. With that being said... Hey, welcome to the internet?
Cyber bulling meets reality
Exactly. We even have the usual excuse makers. The mind reading psychoanalysis who know everyone’s intentions and thoughts and diagnoses. All who appear to be human aren’t human.
Oh I’m sure Maddie and Juwon and everyone else was well-experienced in real life bullying too. Imagine how many victims they made of their classmates.
They were all getting off on the harassment. That's why the kept on with it. Until they were stopped with the knife.
Hey didn’t he put hands on them first?
Just asking
Yet ur 1st amendment allows it. Free speech.
My sister was a high school math teacher she retired early, she said teenagers these days are horrible, no discipline no guidance.
People have been saying that all through history. There are many contributing factors, but the most common one through time is biology. Also it's not very fair to paint all teens with the same brush . It's not the quiet ones that draw the attention.
It doesn't matter. Is not self defense, because the force use was not equally or based on losing his life! He is a grown @$$ man, mature enough to just ignore the immature kids, MINORS BTW. His actions were excessive, if he would've punch them all I would say yes he acted in self defense. But he is a mature man, not a child! Accountability, GUILTY!
EVERYONE says that! They have zero control over their students or authority. Then when this type of crap happens they want to cry about it and make kids out to be these poor little young souls. Thank GOD there was video of these bullies! I still think Miu will go to the clink because for some reason the public doesn't want to hold anyone accountable these days either! It's the WILD WILD WEST!
So they get stabbed?
The kids created the entire scene. Sad commentary but let's stop protecting these behaviours. Teach kids responsibility respect and correct behaviour
Would've been better if he had been honest to the police and even called the police afterwards. He acted like he was guilty.
Look acute ptsd is very real, he is probably going through psychosis and not able to remember what happened, I’ve had it and telling you you can hallucinate,
Weird how the attackers lied too but nobody cares about they also lied under oath countless times but never mind that part
@@Obiahjones okay so if he had it then the boys had it also just makes sense
For sure he was very sad and heavily disoriented after all this horror and in shock. The human body after nearly overdose of adrenaline shuts down completely afterwards. And the brain too
@@Obiahjones I don't buy this. The reason being is how calm and how he played dumb with the police officer about the entire thing. He tried to place himself outside of what happened. That shows me everything I need to know about the 'shock' part, which he wasn't in.
Why do we need to see the guys knee moving?
I thought we were looking at the 👞 lol
@@CrunchyCelery😂 ~ hey, maybe you are on to something. I noticed the woman holding her shoe. Maybe the cameraman has a thing for feet/shoes. lol. Just trying to make light of a horrific situation. Thanks for the laugh 😊.
Or the shoes?😂
Bros trying to be artsy lol
Exactly!! Show the evidence not the knee shake in audience! 😡
Dude was still recording while all of the stabbing were going on!
Yeah, his Star Search level performance after his friends were stabbed, turning the camera on himself was horrible.
You guys keep forgetting the part where NOBODY KNEW Miu had a knife, because he kept out of view and to his side. They were focused on yelling at him to leave as he smirked at them with the knife out. He never looks down or tries to make any indication he has a knife. It's clear his intent was to wait for an opportunity to stick people with it.
@@alanboody7004 So do you think it would have made more sense for him to hold the knife out at arms length and risk getting it snatched out of his hand and potentially used on him?
@@wulfhere83Self defense would've been, Miu stepping back saying I have a knife back up! Or after being hit slice a calf or arm and they would've scattered!
He hit them with military trained kill shots! He used such force and precision that he cleanly cut through TWO RIBS and hit Issac in the heart and lung!! He was calculated and enraged.
He gutted AJ. Stabbed and pulled up!
WAS HE SUPPOSED TO STOP? WHY WHY WHY
He is a great liar.
Watching him talk to the officers Right after the stabbing is making me angry asf😡 🤬
Regarding the lies he told immediately after the event, he was clearly still traumatized and scared sh¡tIess about his word versus the word of all those young adults that had already loudly lied about him and defamed him from the start. I can understand it. Anyone with an ounce of logic can see that. He even says very clearly after the detective says something about him acting in self defense: “Yeah, but this is Wisconsin,” and “people who defend themselves end up being accused of being this and being that...”
During those first few hours, he obviously thinks that if he were to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, he wouldn’t have ANY chance at all to be seen as innocent under the law. He thinks if he just tweaks a few minor facts, it will give him the edge he needs. He didn’t know that there was video of the incident at that point that would exonerate him.
I truly feel for the guy. He acted out of panic when he lied and acted as he did in the immediate aftermath. I wish he didn’t revoke his right to a lawyer during the interrogation, and waited until he talked to one first before choosing to gamble by talking to the detective and fibbing.
The video truly did exonerate his actions as self defense, ffs. Geezus man, he even had quadruple bypass surgery only a year and a half prior to this attack! He could have easily been the one to die if the “kids“ had hit him hard enough, or his head hit a rock when he was pushed down into the river bed! He absolutely did not “start” this shit at all. The ringleader “Cockfield” did - the one who filmed this “for the culture” as he began inciting a mob by shouting out the worst things you can accuse a man of.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 You really have to be impartial and see this entire situation from both sides. Because of his medical condition he could’ve died on scene behind the stress and fear those idiots.!!!
I truly don’t feel bad for any one of those kids. You can’t go around drinking Liquid Courage and thinking you are untouchable.
This is a perfect example of why 21 is the drinking age. Alcohol is a terrible drug and so extremely destructive. None of this would have ever happened if these people weren’t so drunk. Isaac was almost 3 times the legal limit at 17 years old.
and yet Isaac was the one of the teens who was the calmest of the group and he got murdered trying to defend his friend who he just watched get stabbed. Nicolao was drunk as well, but if he was sober and did this is even more concerning.
@@daisyhudson3112 I can’t disagree with you.
And we all drank like that as teens, well most teens at least. That's why Mue as an adult, like most adults, should have known not to stop their raft and engage them. The alcohol was not the issue it was the engagement of drunk teens that did. You call the police, not take matters into your own hands.
People like those idiots don't care about drinking age or anything whatsoever, their ages are from 17 19 28 26 24 29 22 etc etc they are all adults that know right and wrong, they are a group of bullies with no respect at all.
@@tomtaubken1492OH shit you sound stupid move along
I’m so glad to be in my 40s and remembering a time before all this “let me film for fun” bull$it”. The “kids” learned a hard-fast way to a speedy adulthood that day. RIP to Isaac. His friends will (I hope) forever realize that poor decisions have consequences.
Welcome to america, where the cops can draw their gun because you are reaching into your pocket for ID as commanded... but a citizen getting out a knife because they are getting surrounded and accosted by 10 drunken idiots is "unreasonable"
😢 harder miu pooped his pants 🤡
13 drunken idiots, but I agree. They don't care about us, or even the so called victims. If they had a chance, they'd put anyone in jail. At least that is the only way we can say they are not biased. Lol
@@440-fishermandrock8 no I think the dudes who got stabbed shit themselves lol.
Yep the prosecutor here should be on trial for bringing these charges in the first place. Clear self defense.
Idk why he is at a trial when we all can see the video. This prosecutor is telling a different story than what I see in the video. Like who tf is he? Clearly have no real experience in anything. Can’t even put a good speech together. This is clear as day self defense!!
He has a calm demeanor after he just stabbed 5 teenagers as he’s lying through his teeth.
The videos show, he was not lying.
I guess you don't know what being in shock or being traumatized means?
Right! I noticed that too, along with the stares, smirks and smiles....Dude was straight up evil!
He approached them, they told him to leave and he's taking offense?!?... This dude is a straight up killer!!
@@loriminnesota just what videos were you watching???
Ur delusional
The court cameraman is awful
I was watching a different day of the trial and he/she was filming the spectators and they were visibly annoyed
Exactly 💯
If he was just some random clueless guy, why all the lies?
Exactly!
I’m guessing he didn’t want to spend the rest of his life in prison. Just my guess tho. Probably didn’t know there was a video showing his innocence. Probably knew it was everyone there against him and they wouldn’t say he’s a random guy
There is an elephant still in that room. I kept waiting for it to come out but it never did. Was Mr. Miu drunk also? Everyone's blood alcohol was taken but not his, why? His wife said he was drinking but only the fake standard of 2 beers. I wish that elephant would have came out of the court room but I feel it is still there somewhere.
@@curtf9813 i thought u were a bot., there isn't a case of defense .. only degree of murder ..
I'm sure you know that you are just messing around.
Yeah no doubt
Guilty, self defenders don’t lie and tried to hide murder weapon. He was looking for trouble and got it. Good job prosecution for breaking down video evidence.
Regarding the lies he told immediately after the event, he was clearly still traumatized and scared sh¡tIess about his word versus the word of all those young adults that had already loudly lied about him and defamed him from the start. I can understand it. Anyone with an ounce of logic can see that. He even says very clearly after the detective says something about him acting in self defense: “Yeah, but this is Wisconsin,” and “people who defend themselves end up being accused of being this and being that...”
During those first few hours, he obviously thinks that if he were to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, he wouldn’t have ANY chance at all to be seen as innocent under the law. He thinks if he just tweaks a few minor facts, it will give him the edge he needs. He didn’t know that there was video of the incident at that point that would exonerate him.
I truly feel for the guy. He acted out of panic when he lied and acted as he did in the immediate aftermath. I wish he didn’t revoke his right to a lawyer during the interrogation, and waited until he talked to one first before choosing to gamble by talking to the detective and fibbing.
The video truly did exonerate his actions as self defense, ffs. Geezus man, he even had quadruple bypass surgery only a year and a half prior to this attack! He could have easily been the one to die if the “kids“ had hit him hard enough, or his head hit a rock when he was pushed down into the river bed! He absolutely did not “start” this shit at all. The ringleader “Cockfield” did - the one who filmed this “for the culture” as he began inciting a mob by shouting out the worst things you can accuse a man of.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 um so first of all you said it best when you said “lied to give him the edge he needs” ? You mean the edge to get away with murder? Naw playa it don’t work like that. Your ounce of logic you stated plus MUi ounce of logic got him a guilty verdict. Please don’t follow your logic if you decide to commit a crime. Just tell the truth on camera always no need to lie if you know your actions were justified.
He acted like nothing happened. How heartless and cruel
Right he said they were all drinking and saying the kids were the drunk ones yelling names and that is obviously what got under his skin was the name calling
This dude was hiding the knife from them, his ego was hurt and wanted to kill them all
LOLOLOL
That's right. His ego felt hurt - so he took revenge. He wasn't smart enough to think things through. Didn't have the strength and own self-control to control his actions about "words" thrown t him. And he escalates things -- touching the legs and tubes. That isn't "searching" for a damn phone. That was his taunt to them. They are telling him -- leave-- repeatedly. When warned, why continue staying?
What's the point? The river is huge. And admittedly - the owner of the phone did not want him to find the phone. Didn't insist it be found. Underwater - in a huge rushing water river? It's gone.
Are any of these "children" being brought up on assault charges?
Touching someone unwantedly is assaut, hitting is called battery. Both are illegal.
Maybe you need to watch that video again @@sueq8862
@@thomasbattis9574 Its not a method for use of DEADLY FORCE
@jamie it was difficult to see the "assault" with all the stabbing going on. I'm surprised I missed that VERY important detail. 😂🤣😆
@@briansmith5293Brilliant! 🎯
You should always turn your back to an angry mob and walk away nothing bad will happen.
Yeah, 2 women and a group of kids SCREAMING GOOOOO!!! His ego got the best of him! It’s so clear! No one was ( right ) in this unfortunate event however, HE made it physical not once but Twice before anyone did anything! I can’t believe so many ppl think it’s ok to kill children!😮
@@AmandaWhite-bd8sf Children? These children were jackals looking for prey. They got physical first.
@@AmandaWhite-bd8sfGrow Up
@@AmandaWhite-bd8sf😂 you stooooooopid or something, HE MADE IT PHYSICAL?? 😂 he was pushed, punched and slapped before he reacted but NOOOO HE MADE IT PHYSICAL 🤡🤣
Varsity Football players arn't children
It’s very tragic Isaac lost his life, the question remains….why were these TEENS under 18 this drunk on the river? Did their parents allow them to be that intoxicated? 😑🤔🤔🤔🤔
Why they were drunk on the river is far on the f'n totem pole. A teen lost his life... and you're worried about why some teens were drinking on a river that's known for people drinking on it?
There is a picture showing Issac was chocking him.
@@palace927 Isaac pushed Miu on his chest and upper arm his hands slipped upward as Miu thrust the knife into Isaac's chest. Miu was NOT being choked.
The question actually is CAN YOU KILL A PERSON who didnt have intent or a weapon in USA ?
@@styphlynne8253 No !
This prosecutor reminds me of my kids when they were little and used to argue. He’s ignoring important facts and only reporting things to bolster his own beliefs. He’s not very good at his job. This whole thing is about provocation. And who did the provoking??? I can’t even finish watching this.
Which facts is he ignoring. If you had evidence, you'd lead with it.
Even if the kids provoked him, he WALKED up to them. He could have left. He, the adult, escalated. He wanted to stab them.
@@ryanwhitaker4444
Lmfao. What a joke 👆
Those are facts, You just can't think🙆
@@ryanwhitaker4444 He walked up to them in the beginning. There was no danger in the beginning but it all changed AFTER the numbers doubled.
@@kimberlyoliveto9229 Wow. you're right. Everything changed. This creep had even more people telling him to go away. Maybe he should have stopped walking up to them and antagonizing them.
You can tell that this man is an outright liar and he is good at it. I'm sure that he lies to his wife all of the time.
Haha you didn't listen to those thug kids testimony huh?
Are you talking about the prosecutor ? Cause I think you are spot on.🎉
True that! Tell me USA is smarter than that ! GUILTY
He's a woman beater too
Such an idiotic comment
At first I was on the defendants side but the more I watch this case and the amount that he has lied I'm not so sure anymore. Very perplexing case.
He thought he would get away with it and therefore lied. He’s guilty as sin. 2nd degree and off he goes to jail for the rest of his life. 👋.
You don’t stab someone and not take any consequences.
Seriously I feel so bad for the jury this is a tough one
@@samcrick2349yes you do. If it’s self defense which this was
Not self-defense! This is over kill! Not one person held that man there. He wanted that fight or he would've left. I agree most ternagers are lil a**holes but there was no need for it to go this far. He was being told to go multiple times. @jamessmith4455
I was also on the defendant's side, but he was stabbing anyone within reach regardless of whether they were a threat or not. Then he hid the weapon and lied to cops and investigators. That's not how self-defense works.
The lies that Mr. Miu was caught in are one of the standout aspects of this case. There truly is no reason for them besides covering for himself/ not knowing there was a video.
He was in SHOCK. But regardless, it doesn’t change what we all saw on the video. Clearly SELF DEFENSE
@michelle7959 Pleae, tell me you are joking. Shock? If you believe that then I feel sorry for you. He was trying to get away with what he did.
it does not matter. Yes, he lied...100%. BUT, he's not on trial for impeding an investigation or interference. Him lying is a WAY lesser charge and does not have any impact of the video itself or his charges. You want him tried for a major crime or a charge that ends in probation?
Know the law and use your brains, people.
You must be the prosecutors wife or family. Only someone that dumb would think this. Clear self defense against crazed drunk lunatic bullies. 13 vs 1, and the guy defending himself is the only one charged? Meanwhile they lie under oath, knowingly, we all know it, heard it, they make up stories afterwards, oh and what about all the underage drugs and drinking going on. Why do the adults or parents ts not get in trouble? If we're playing the but game
Doesn't matter what he said. Look at the video.
Mr. Miu doesn’t have to take marching orders from his friends or Madison “Queen of the River”! He can be where he wants to be!
I’m sorry but so what! Was that piece of river so important that Miu needed to hold it with DEADLY force?!
Guilty...He used excessive force all he had to do IS WALK AWAY!! Sticks and stones....
@@Possiblytrouble He was holding down the river with deadly force. What a whacko.
I feel sorry for you all..
You don’t have to debate whether he guilty or not.
IF the defendant knows and shows by his words and actions he’s 100% guilty of reckless 1st degree homicide.
Who are you really defending!?!
Kids don't have the best judgment... they really used those words in hope the creep would leave. They said GO several times. Kids will be kids. These comments are downright disgusting. I have to believe all you trolls are paid by the defense. THAT CREEP DESERVES LIFE NO PAROLE!!! STICKS AND STONES MAY HURT MY BONES BUT WORDS DON'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO COMMIT MURDER! Then lie to LE and float down the river like you didn't just stab 5 kids.
DON'T FORGET FREDDY KREUGER RAN UP FIRST TOUCHING THE KIDS= PEDO BEHAVIOR! . If he walks I hope they unleash him in your neighborhood around YOUR KIDS.
In the aftermath he just walked away…and tried to hide knife and lied. I wouldn’t want him as a neighbor, relative or cobworker
You type like I do.
Gota watch out for those " cobworkers"
Lol
dude he was jumped by by a gang of wrestlers and football players. 13 of them tried to kill him
@@belowfray5251😂
Agreed
@@belowfray5251 true I went to edit but it didn’t allow. Co-workers
Yep. Playing the video without the sound is a good move. The increasing madness and crescendo is damning
Don't want to let you hear the assholes tasting this old man
Facts
First lesson of a fight is JUDO 🥋
Judo know if I have a knife
Judo know if I have a gun
Exactly live to fight another day these youngsters seem to not respect anybody's right to be left the hell alone
Ju just don’t know!
😂
@@2K9s
Who you calling a ju?😂
Well, he hit the girl FIRST starting the fight.
A man who’s “afraid for his life” doesn’t smirk and smile while “defending” himself. He doesn’t avoid law enforcement officers and then claim he “heard someone got stabbed.” Oh, yeah…after he threw away his knife.
The boys jeered at him and called him names. They’re guilty of being jerks.
Miu stuck around after multiple people told him to leave. Because he was ANGRY and felt disrespected.
HE threw the first punch.
HE stabbed/sliced five people with a concealed weapon.
HE killed a 17 year-old boy who wasn’t threatening him at all.
THEN he calmly walked away.
He LIED to police when they questioned him at the river. Then he LIED some more to the detective once he was in custody. Then he LIED on the stand by claiming he didn’t remember ANYTHING except feeling afraid “for his life.” Please! 🙄
GUILTY. So very GUILTY.
Exactly
Because Nurse Kathy has seen lots of episodes of law and order, believe her. She knows. She's been in so many bad situations in her job as a person that sits on their couch.
Well said
Who are you to say he didn’t fear for his life? That’s HIS experience and that’s prolly how HE felt.
The guy is very guilty, I really hope the jury gets justice for Isaac that had his whole life ahead of him..
This case enrages me. The kids were all at fault. They’re idiots for starting shit with him. Of course Nicolai was gonna defend himself everybody was ganging up on him for NO REASON.
Wow. He went 150 feet, to the other side of the river, and then rushed the teens, while carrying a knife, touched them, detained them, and searched their tubes. If a stranger did this to your children I am sure you would defend the stranger who rushed them.
@@jamesturner5315You buy booze and weed for your kids to, eh?
Kids don't have the best judgment... they really used those words in hope the creep would leave. They said GO several times. Kids will be kids. These comments are downright disgusting. I have to believe all you trolls are paid by the defense. THAT CREEP DESERVES LIFE NO PAROLE!!! STICKS AND STONES MAY HURT MY BONES BUT WORDS DON'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO COMMIT MURDER! Then lie to LE and float down the river like you didn't just stab 5 kids.
DON'T FORGET FREDDY KREUGER RAN UP FIRST TOUCHING THE KIDS= PEDO BEHAVIOR! . If he walks I hope they unleash him in your neighborhood around YOUR KIDS.
@@ralphkramden2089 You encourage adults to rush teenagers, put their hands on them, detain them, search their property? To answer your question I don't have kids, am in my late 50s, never have bought booze or drugs for anyone underage, and generally dislike the younger generation and their attitudes. I also dislike adults who think they can do anything they want.
@@jamesturner5315
Lol! “Detained them.” What an utter joke. 😂 It’s not illegal or abnormal to carry a pocketknife. He’s allowed to search for the phone and his snorkel - they don’t own the river, pal. All your comments on these videos are ridiculous.
I hope everyone else gets charges! If it wasn’t for their drunk incompetence, he would have just looked for his cell phone and none of this would have happened! They are bullies and they deserve to be responsible! So sad a young life was lost and no excuse for that, however, if they weren’t a bunch of show off punks and they knew to treat people with respect, this wouldn’t have escalated to this extreme. Regardless if he gets charged or not, his life is ruined. Ignorance of EVERYONE who started the taunts. They should also be held responsible!!
You drunk as s noob nicolae was drunk as fck! He even says it here.
Thats why He was acting sus in the river.
Bullying never negates or excuses someone to stab someone!!! It’s words!!! These are young boys whose brains aren’t even fully developed yet enough to understand the consequences to their actions!!! So, if someone comes up and calls you a whore, you think that justifies you stabbing someone? Or taking out a knife? Those boys didn’t retaliate until Miu punched the girl!!! Is it wrong to bully and call names? Absolutely!!! It NEVER justifies someone to take out a knife and stab someone!!!
Nic Miu opened his knife and kept it low at his side, not to show it in an effort to de-escalate the kids. He secretlyvopened it and held it there...as he smiled (see video) until he thought he could justify using it. I think he acted like a psychopath.
I believe I also heard testimony that Nic approached the boys and held on to their tubes. I did not hear why.
its pretty sickening the defenders Nic is getting to his side and pretending he was the victim
Exactly. The jury will get this right. People in the comments just made up their minds before hearing the full trial.
You don't have to wait to be attacked to prepare to attack. You've seen too many movies.
I agree with this. None of that was fearful behavior.
No one can say this case has clear victim, and clear perpetrator. The kids were out of control. Nick was unwise in approaching the kids in the manner that he did. Both sides has some responsibility for what happened.
But one side brought deadly force to the situation.
I've seen a person die from one punch. So it was deadly force upon the older gentleman first
Approached the kids in the manner he did? What manner was that?
@@tomtaubken1492 Punches can kill and knock people out. He was in water surrounded by 13 people.
@@notthegovnkemp the video begins with him approaching them while they were on their floats and physically trying to move them. That's legally assault and they had the right to defend themselves at that moment. They had only words until he approached them and got physical. He physically initiated the final confrontation.
KIDS WERE LUCKY HE DID NOT HAVE A GUN
None of the five were “lucky!”
That doesnt dismiss a thing here. Put a ban on all knives now !!
YEA THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE MULTIPLE COUNTS OF FIRST DEGREE MURDER AND THE CASE WOULD BE A LOT QUICKER. INSTEAD HE'LL JUST GET ONE LIFE SENTENCE.
@@anthonyp3066 no chance he’ll be found guilty. He’ll go home tomorrow.
@@Treviso100 Wishful thinking
"Why didn't he walk away?" that basically is the backbone of this prosecutor's whole argument...so then, why didn't THEY walk away? So dumb! ZERO sympathy for sadistic bullies!
If they were his bullies they'd have followed him haha you're reaching for straws
@@upgrade4347 Have you even watched the video? The teens' attorney even said "I'm not going to defend the actions of the boys. It's cruel..." Pointing out that they were degenerates! HAHAHA!
@@upgrade4347 you actually watched the video and can say with a straight face that they aren’t drunken lowlife bullies?
@@upgrade4347delusional take
@@Treviso100 no. I agree with the verdict.
Found Guilty
First degree reckless homicide
While using a dangerous weapon
First degree recklessly endagering safety
Using a dangerous weapon
This prosecution is horrendous!
If you think Miu is guilty go watch the Defenses closing statement to get a clear & factual picture of the case.
NOT GUILTY!
Ahhh that is a HUGE observation!! If he was “ afraid” he would never have ran up on them, OR walked over to their group!!
He walked over to the 2nd group bc he thought he’d be greeted by a rational adult instead a toxic intoxicated lady trying to be the star of a do it for the culture video & her actions caused the chain of events to follow…. She and others are the reason that young man’s mama had to bury him
He didn't have reason to be afraid UNTIL he was being assaulted. Then he was. This was testified to and is reasonable.
He only has to be in fear of death or great bodily harm during the time when he is using the force. He only used the force after he got jumped by multiple assailants who were assaulting him at the time he used the force. Even if you don't think the guy acted in self defense, that's not good enough. The prosecution has to prove he didn't act in self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. If there were a video of him chasing someone down while they were trying to run away from him and he stabbed them, then sure, that's not self defense. There isn't anything like that here.
He said under oath that he wasn't afraid at that point. It was later, after having been pushed, punched, attacked, and more people came and yelling at him, that his fear grew.
I don't think Nic was ever afraid 😕. He looks like he relished this moment. If you watch the very first part of him rushing the boys sitting in their tube's. He was fingering his 🔪 . I think he wanted it. He had it out, but close to his side, before the conversation with the woman. Then that laughing smirk on his face. He cannot remember anything, because of all his lies. That would foil his lunacy. No he didn't act as any reasonable person from the very beginning.
AJ Martin " He got me before I Could Get Him" . That's the whole case right there. Nic was defending himself from cackling crazed heignas. Imagine walking in a Walmart and closely passing a group of people looking for a product . They say " what the **** are you doing . I know your looking at my child. You raper , and mob mentality erupts. They punch and yell in your face. Isn't it reasonable to think they may hurt you ?
So when police are dealing with "peaceful protestors" and they start yelling and surrounding the officers, do they have a right to open fire into the crowd?
He did just punch a female in the face.
Great analysis. These thugs instigated this whole thing so that they could put it on the Internet. Then, when they found out, Mr. Meyer was going to protect himself, they all of a sudden turned into the victims. Pathetic. I get teary-eyed just watching these kids surround this poor man. SELF DEFENSE
@@sarakaychilds2565 So they say. There's really no physical evidence to back that up. We do see that woman putting her hands on the defendant repeatedly and after he told her not to though.
@@michaelhill6451 During his testimony, Miu himself said he hit her. Miu's friend said he saw Miu hit her. There were over 10 people there who said he hit her. They have most of it on video except the actual hit. What else do you need? To go back in time, get on the river and see it for yourself?
The only persons that should be charged in this aftermath is the person or people who purchased alcohol for these underaged teenagers.
The stupidity is strong in you
I wouldn't say the only people that should be charged but it is interesting that parents of a shooter were recently sentenced to prison for buying their son the gun. They should go after the adult who bought the alcohol.
Prosecutor: “Who’s gonna smile when they’re in shock or in fear”
Me: ………um sir, I do the EXACT same thing when I’m in those situations, and I live in a big city where havoc surrounds me daily (assaults, murder, robbery…..).
Right? What sort of defense is "look at his facial expression for 1 millisecond"
City taught us to not show weakness or fear can't speak for all but for my people this is true. Not to mention staying calm and keeping cool when surrounded is key to make sure if it comes to blows you can at least get some effective strikes off.
He was being a creep and stabbed them because he was called out.
@@illyponyhave you been watching?
@@illyponyHow exactly was he being a creep? He was with his wife and friends?
Had he called the cops right after the slaying. Instead of playing stupid
Don’t forget he’s also was a bully.
A bully who walked away. Why would you follow your bully? Why would you enclose the space around your bully? Why would you approach the bully from his flank?
The amount of people in the comments who believe that name-calling should be punishable by death is apalling.
Oh, they just called him names? Is that all?
All those here that don't see him knocked into the water must be blind.
He got knocked on his arse once! He had no injuries.
@@ophi2403 apparently that's all it takes. Stupid kids
It wasn’t the name calling, it was the pushing, punching and choking that led to that. Those of you who thinks it is ok for “kids” to treat an old man like that because he looked funny in his diving gear blows my mind and terrifies me of what kind of disrespectful, violent kids you must be raising!
This prosecutor points out the Nicholae had his back to everyone, he didn’t think they were dangerous. But he checks for his knife and then he closes the gap, between himself and the boys in the tubes. But he fell. The boys take this charge as threatening and the situation escalates from there. Nicholae repeatedly entered their group. It doesn’t matter how stupid they were acting. He entered their space, repeatedly. And suddenly 5 kids are stabbed. The kids didn’t help the situation, but Nicholae kept entering their group and he’s the reason things escalated. His escalation is what lead to him needing to stab these kids.
He was attacked. Not guilty💯
He didn’t “need” to stab anyone; and the number of people here - like you - defending this lunatic is really frightening.
So was he supposed to continue to get attacked and possibly put in the hospital by the gang before trying a different way to defend himself??? Facts and video shows knife was not out until he was repeatedly attacked and not before. He only stabbed the ones that continued to put their hands on him and again attack him so this fabricated story he kept walking up to the people and stabbing them is ludicrous!
You forgot the instigator of the whole thing played a massive role.
They don’t own the river! He’s allowed to look for his friend’s phone and his snorkel! Even when he begins to walk away, they still pursue him and the girls are the first to get in his face! And even with your narrative of “oh he was in their space” - that doesn’t justify the RELENTLESS mob beat down they were giving him! THAT part is all that matters.
Anyone in his position would fear for their immediate great bodily harm/death. Even one good shove in his vulnerable chest could have killed him due to his QUADRUPLE bypass heart surgery only 1.5 years prior! If his head hit a rock in the river when being pushed down, that would be death or serious brain damage. There was a possibility of getting water in his lungs and drowning. A man in his poor health can easily die in that mob of hyenas attacking him.
Anyone trying to obfuscate from these facts is being utterly disingenuous.
if only
911: What's your emergency?
Miu: Yes, hi, I'm at the Apple River with my friends and one my friends lost his phone. I went looking for it and a group of teens.They are harassing me. I don't feel safe. I think also one of them might have the phone too.
911: OK what's your location.
Miu: By the bridge on the Apple River.
911: Can I get your Name
Miu: Nicolae Miu
911: Just stay with your group. Do not approach the teens. We will have an officer come by.
People, this is what you do. I'm a little bid older than Miu.
No winners here.
If only, Kenny, Miu had a cell phone...but he didn't so your whole spiel is a waste.
@@1chrisford Not really Chris. He goes back to his group. The first time he was harrased by the teens. Put some scare into them. Underage drinking. Marijuana.
48:12 He admits to drinking a lot here, but lies about everything else, then in the police interview he said he had something like 6 beers, then on the stand he said he had a couple of beers. Liar, liar, pants on fire.
I bet you wouldn't lie if you were him. Hypocrits...
@@Kiev-en-3-jours He is under oath, so his lies are actually more crimes.
Horrible Prosecutor closing argument.
Totally boring closing argument.
The entire prosecutions case & almost all the witnesses were embarrassing!
Wow…this was a dispassionate closing argument for the prosecution.
I feel that he just did this case because if public outcry and he didn't want to jeopardize his election. My guess.
Exactly! You are so right! What a lifeless mumbling show, as if he all reads it from a script!! Scary.....
He told the facts.
He sucks!
I’m not surprised. He’s horrible.
This prosecutor looks like one of the kids he is siding with. This lawyer is clearly second rate because his witnesses were horrible on the witness stand.
You can’t go around hitting or killing people because you don’t like what they said. Absolutely NO ONE wins in this situation.
@@keithsergent2539lol he wasn’t playing with them swinging a knife… then he lied. They just over charged him.
@@keithsergent2539 i actually think given the situation when someone is ganged up on like that they seemed like a pack of wolves nobody had any decency to reason with what was definitely a guy outnumbered how did nobody consider that to be dangerous situation until it was too late I was bullied I hate bullies those that love bullies make excuses for them are the worst because they empower them giving them an audience which is what they want in this case if we reverse this and miu is killed how much you want to bet the state doesn't charge the other people calling it an accidental death
@@curtrupp4259 They asked him to leave them alone a bunch of times and they were laughing their asses off. He was humiliated and angry and lashed out. The kids were being drunk idiots, but old man went into this looking for a knife fight. I think I would have busted out laughing if a bunch of kids started making fun of me, then walk away. 🚶♀️I'm 5 years younger than Nic. I have two kids 26 and 27 who would never behave this way. Still, these are drunk teenagers laughing and messing around. You can't go around stabbing people. We can't let this be okay.
@@curtrupp4259 We see them as immature children. I see Nic as the bully.
@chaoswitch1974 he did leave them alone then they followed him stupid comment
it appears , Nicky has an anger problem , he stabbed and killed , he lied , he avoided police , it does'nt look good , i think Nicky will get a new home for the remainder of his life , imo .
A guy you've never heard of. A guy who's never been in trouble. A guy with no criminal record. A guy who claims to have never been in a fight. But sure, you have all the knowledge and history to declare his anger problem on the world.
"Nicky thus Nicky that".. how old are you
@@sueq8862 Is that why the prosecution threw in lesser charges yesterday, trying to get anything to stick, because they were convinced that he was going to be guilty? And it's intentional homicide. Get it right.
Did you watch the whole trial? Because if you did, you would understand that in Wisconsin, there is no duty to retreat. If he needed to walk away, so did all of them. So that argument is null and void.
Self-defense is the answer if someone is being violent towards you.
Pay attention, Sue.
Facts! That man going to prison IN JESUS NAME.
@@ms.g-j8524
I’m not surprised that someone who believes fantasies are reality doesn’t have the logical abilities to discern that Nic acted in self defense.
His intentions were to deceive the authorities and his friends not knowing there was a video
So what?
So. Have you ever lied to police? Did you know you were speeding? None of that changes the facts of the case. He wasn't intentionally trying to hurt anyone. They surrounded and attacked him for tiktok. Zoomers need to learn a lesson every now and then.
Who is "his"?
Everyone lies. Even you!
@@user-pl3jb3yo2b but some people make it a habit, a few little white lies are harmless , the big ones catch up to you, He may not have a record, seems like a sweet old man blah blah blah ,most serial killers don't get caught young, I can't help by his actions what he's gotten by with in 52 years.
I bet they wont call some a rapist anymore
Guy is a skilled practiced liar. He CALMLY 'Sweetly,' states to cop, "What's going on? Oh I heard someone was fighting." I wonder how many other coercive stabbings he has commuted without being identified. Knife down at his side waiting for the blood strike. Disturbed man. Curious too that his whole party floated SILENTLY without a question! Oh sure like that is normal.
Lying is not a crime.
Yeah, this is someone who is a skilled liar
DIABOLICAL
Good thing this isn't a trial on liars. If you disengage, you can defend yourself if people surround and attack you.
After reading this I know you would just lay down and cry while someone beats you and you would give them soul control on whether you live or die. Good for you, hope everything works out for you
the guy with the camera cost his friend his life he instagated the whole thing
Now that ive heard this, i do think it was not good of what he did after it happened...lieing to the cop when he was sitting in the back of the car, not a good look yo... Lieing about them taking the knife, not a good look. I feel like he was pretty angry that these kids were clowning on him. Both presented equal arguments..its up to the jury and judge to decide now .
the fact that he was lying afterwards and saying he had no clue what happened is damning tbh.
If you are afraid of someone do you walk up on them? Defense attorneys own words. Meanwhile Nic claims he was scared for his life yet approached the teenagers by himself like a madman grabbing their legs and tubes aggressively. He never walked away until after stabbing 5 and killing 1. He calmly got back in his tubes after throwing away the murder weapon.
He tried to lie to police and act like he wasn’t involved. Then, when that didn’t work, he tried to lie to Belize and investigators by saying 2 boys had knives. Then, when that story didn’t work, he lied again and again and again and again
As a teenage boy what would you do if you saw a grown man hit a girl or woman? Defend her correct? That was the only self defense that happened. Those boys defending a girl from a 52 year old 240 pound man.
Who approach who and wouldn’t leave after being told to do so over 20-30 times ? Nic
Only willfully ignorant losers think he is innocent 🤡🤡🤡🤡
He can be charged for obstruction and hiding evidence for his lies after the event, but rational people know why he lied. It wasn’t because he’s guilty. It was because:
1) It’s well known that people act irrationally right after a very traumatizing event, saying and doing things w/o truly thinking them through properly because of fight or flight mode’s affect on the mind/body. Adrenaline is a hell of a thing.
And 2) He didn’t know there was video taken of the incident, so in his mind it was his word versus the word of 13 young adults that had already loudly lied about him and defamed him from the beginning, which kicked all of this off with the inciting of a mob action. In the interview at the police station, Miu says very clearly after the officer says something about him acting in self defense: _“Yeah, but this is Wisconsin,”_ and _“people who defend themselves end up being accused of being this and being that...”_
He obviously thinks that if he were to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, he wouldn’t have ANY chance at all to be seen as innocent under the law. He thinks if perhaps he just tweaks a few facts, it will give him the edge he needs. And I’m sure that his memory of how things went down was very unclear too, because of how fast and traumatic the ordeal was. The brain goes into protection mode by blocking things out and making things up that didn’t actually happen.
I truly feel for the guy. He acted out of panic after the incident was over, which is understandable. He has an unblemished record, and has never been a problem with any of his friends/co-workers/spouse from their testimonies. No background at all of violence or anger management issues. His wife testified to the fact that she still loves him. They had to get a divorce to protect their assets. Someone at his age doesn’t just suddenly, randomly become a mrder.
His age and very poor health meant that if he hadn’t defended himself, it is very likely he would be the one to have died that day. Even one good shove on his chest could have done it, because of his recent QUADRUPLE bypass heart surgery! If his head hit a rock as he was being punched to the ground, he could have died. They might have even drowned him. He was in a VERY vulnerable state, and those “kids” were treating him like a punching bag!
Mr. Miu was told by his own friends NOT to go looking for the lost phone near the young adults because they might think he was weird or something & not to worry - the phone was insured. HE DID IT ANYWAY! This IS where it all started! There was a coversation about the lost phone, he thought they had it. He started to leave then turned & rushed their rafts & physically touched two of the youths on their legs. This IS where the escalation started! This situation is not about what any of us think should happen to either side or how hideous each side behaved or actually who did really start it . . . One youth was stabbed to his death & 4 others brutally stabbed! There are no winners! This whole thing is shameful, disgusting & shocking! As my Uncle said - you cannot possibly comprehend a situation (especially like this one) if you were not there & you have not walked in their shoes!
"A person's perception of a situation is limited by facts they are unwilling to accept because they want a different outcome, which may not be reality!" - PSH
Yeah, but none of that even matters. The law states that you don't have to leave a public area based on ANY of the reasons you just named. He doesn't even have to have a valid excuse for being there, nor does he have to follow commands from Madison. That's THE LAW. That has nothing to do with self defense, nor does his interactions with the teen group. Outsiders came up and got involved without knowing any of the information that you just suggested.
It would help if people would learn how trials like this actually work and where the burden of proof lies before making childlike statements.
@poboxchristmas380 It is unfortunate that you really missed the point of my post . . . BTW, my Uncle is a retired Federal Judge & I have 4 others who are high profile Lawyers in my family . . . Pretty sure I understand how a trial works dear. You have a nice rest of your afternoon . . .
@@Just-Melanie so, you're not capable of accepting that your comments were a clown show because of: nepotism?
You defend your statements with a quote from...who? Phillip Seymour Hoffman? LOL
Miu does not have to defend himself for having a snorkel or looking for a phone in a public place. I don't care if your uncle is a retired Norse God, there's no logic to your comments. Maybe, let the adults discuss this?
He said let's go, because he knew at that moment he had messed up real bad 😂
I mean, just ask a question to yourself, do you want this old man to be your neighbor? Well I dont so lock him tf up. Lying to the police pinned him down for me.
Are you a bot?
💯 no! HE reminds me of a Ted Bundy!😮
Definitely a bot. The logic is flawed but then again maybe it’s a troll or worst scenario it’s an actual human that may have the ability to vote and be your neighbor, that’s scary
Definitely don't want that gang in my neighborhood
@@angelaricottawarriorrose9917 Teddy attacked people this guy was attacked nice try tho
Thank you for calling out the fact the Nikolai was also drinking and no one checked to see how drunk he was, yet everyone wanted to attack the boys for drinking relaxing and smoking pot, and call them a mob when this man ran up on them! 🤦🏼♀️🤢🤮
Who cares? This isn't a drinking case
Exactly! Miu told police several times he was drinking ALL DAY LONG on the river.
In These comments they acting like they NEVER drank beer and smoked some weed at 16-17. They were ALL perfect Angels don't Ya know!
@@GoddessTheOldeGoddEXACTLY! and that has nothing to do with self defense.
@@fpsVAMPZ yet everyone is calling the teens a drunken mob. 🤔🤦🏼♀️🙋🏼♀️
How tf was this NOT self defense? He was being bullied and assaulted by multiple people...
there are several reasons this was not self defence, but no point tying to explain if you cant see those reasons for yourself
Being called a pedophile doesn’t give you the right to to stab 4 people and kill one. What world were you born in?
He struck first. His own friend testified of this. Showing your ignorance isn’t a good look.
He could've walked away. They attacked Nick only when he punched Maddy.
You carry around a weapon to assault people that hurt your little feelings!??! you've lots the plot.
Unfortunately these victims are not without blame. They provoked him.
@@KM-un8ojthank you
So what?? That is NO reason to murder and attempt murder!! Period
Of course, the kids taunted him which is wrong, but he could have said I want no trouble and leave. He is guilty!
They pushed the man in the water and one of the boys smacked him in the face. They were like 5 guys around him. And looks like he was being attacked. Isn't that self defense. The group of young men were also the instigators.
He should not be in prison
very well may be true but as the prosecutor said... what they did does NOT justify murder
Yeah and what they got punished enough and more didn't they?
This prosecutor tried to downplay the altercation as a 2 vs 2??? Ridiculous
Second Degree Reckless Homicide carries a 25 year prison sentence and/or a $100,000 fine
@@TruckingCarsL48 thats if he’s convicted of that . The video clearly shows him being violently attacked .
All he had do do was walk away. Yes, the kids were being rude but they did not deserve what happened to them. He was the adult and should have just ignored them instead of confronting them.
Were they physically assaulting him or JUST rude??
He tried to walk away, they surrounded him and pushed him down after he tried to walk away
@vigtime7816 he got smacked AFTER he hit a woman
@@alexr9655that’s inaccurate. He walked down the river, and they were walking behind him telling him to go and calling him names. Then the defendant MADE THE CHOICE to turn back around and go toward them again. He also had a chance to walk away BEFORE HE APPROACHED the final victim, who was not attacking him at that point, and stabbed him.
@alexr9655 nope...watch the video again. He WAS walking away but then his testimony is that he turned around when they started calling out names again. He fell in the water & dropped his goggles got up & grabbed their legs. He didn't walk away & the didn't physically attack him. However, either way he pulled a knife & lied to the police about what transpired.
This is a horrific chain of events that got out of control. The teenager were definitely wrong to engage in such a bullying manner BUT Mr. Miu is the adult. He's a 52 year old, ex-military, educated man who could have walked away. I wouldn't want to be in the jurors shoes.
Those drunken kids were so scared!!! They knew they out numbered him. Those parents need to have a hard talk with these hoodlums
They were surrounding him and beating him
He was just looking for a friggen phone
Of course the prosecution isn't playing the audio where they're trying to incite a mob by calling him a rapist and pedophille
This poor man's life is shattered as is the other young people but they don't want to own what they have done
@@janetdobie9722I agree 💯
The law doesn’t say that he has to walk away.
If Nic was sooooo disoriented, afraid & shooken up, then WHY did he position himself in the back of that car (as though he had been chilling back there all the while) and tell the police a BOLD-FACED LIE about he "heard" something had happened down by the river & that he "heard" the police were looking for someone of his description???! 🙄😒 If he felt so VIOLATED, when the police first approached him, why didn't he confess about what had JUST happened in defense of himself?!! U know why? Because this TRAINED soldier KNEW he had JUST committed a crime & he had to come up with a "story" quickly!
But what Nic was totally oblivious to was the fact that the video he saw being taken of him earlier, kept rolling as he straight GUTTED that boy, stabbed AND sliced open the young lady, & stabbed the others. That smirk he made before the stabbings was as if he thought, "They just don't know what they are in for!"
Although I feel these young people DID taunt him, Nic Miu felt humiliated & wanted revenge. The taunting of Miu DID NOT WARRANT him KILLING a kid! If he felt threatened, he should've left the scene instead of causing things to escalate more. Nic Miu KNEW what he was doing. He wanted to show that bunch WHO was gonna have the LAST laugh. SMH. GUILTY!
Listening to Miu talking to the officer while sitting in the police car....Man, he's cold. Cold. Blooded. He testified that he was terrified...so terrified that he kept saying he was "standing his ground." You run, flee, escape when you are terrified...you don't stand your ground. The prosecutor is correct...everything Miu did after the stabbings was to try to cover up what he did...and if you are blacked out, and your brain is shut down, you're not thinking like that....already trying to put a logical defense together.
None of that matters, he’s not being charged with lying to the police or attempting to hide the knife, he’s being charged with homicide, luckily there’s a video.
He couldn’t run, they had this poor man surrounded.
Fight, flight and freeze are all very well known responses… it looks like he started with freeze and then switched to fight
@@Raycharles2011 He was already at fight while he was running up to the boys fingering his knife.
@@brusselsproutboy7005 you must have watched a different video than I watched, and I saw everything from two different angles and viewpoints. That man is a killer and bold faced liar.
The perp thought the boys had found the phone and intended to keep it. That, combined with drinking, (he admitted to drinking that day at his interrogation) was why he was enraged. He convinced himself these boys were thieves and he wanted to punush them. Look at his expression. He absolutely was smiling and smirking . Look at his expression on the witness srand. He's scared of going to prison. A completely different expression, arrogance and anger, on the river, fear on the witness stand. Looks like an entirely different person.
He wasn't "enraged" what are you trying to say??? Who wouldn't be scared of going to prison for defending themselves??? Do you have an axe to grind?
NO he didn't think that was the lost phone! Everyone on the river had one of those phone protectors. He had to come up with some excuse for his actions of RUNNING through the river up to them and grabbing them, as they SAT IN THEIR TUBES. He knows what it looked like because he knows his mindset was to kill them. Not fear of them or he would've left!
@@GoddessTheOldeGodd Liar.
Are you serious.....this grown man hit a woman and that started any of the fighting, his hand was on his knife from the get go....when the police interrogated him, he lied and said the boys had two knives and he took one away, he told the original sheriff he heard there was a argument on the water even before they detained him, all lies, if he felt he was defending himself why lie about it all. You can see when hes being questioned by the Prosecution he has a angry look in his eyes, much different than when his defense attorneys were questioning him. His body language alone is hostile. Issac was 130 lbs, gimme a break, self defense, ya ok...!
Of course he is hostile. The guy defended himself and ended in jail.
Also lying is not a crime. That doesn't change the facts of what happened. We have it all in video.
did you see any evidence of a hit woman? i didnt. i did see evidence of a woman holding his arm and pushing him before the so called hit, though.
There's no evidence he hit her. But there's testimony that she lied!
@@melb1215 The jury just found him guilty on all 5 counts, including the attack on Madison, so actually I was right!
@@kristingianotti5551 just because 12 people agreed doesn't mean you were right. What a complete injustice 🙄😬
This man looks like Chad Daybell.
Lol he really does
Leave it to a woman to make everything about what someone "looks like". So shallow.....
a fat one
Not even a little bit.
@@broeheemed32lmao you think Greg is a woman? Is illiteracy a symptom of misogyny now? 😂
His pride got in the way of his common sense! He could have walked away at any time!
He has people encircling him - where was he going to go?
He walked away they followed him keep up
Lol another couch 🛋 coach not facing reality.
😂
@@BidensTinks-fj9ix so you’re a lawyer? If any of you would think it’s ok for your kid to get stabbed for teasing someone, that’s scary and sad.
This is why innocent people go to jail.. the prosecutor is recklessly making shit up
Fear does not cause someone to disembowel another person, this was an act of rage.
100%
He's a soft spoken psychopath... he had his hand ready to grab the knife the whole time. He couldn't be told no, so rather than walk away before it all started, when the kids simply told him to go... he stabs 5 ppl in less than a minute like a cheap B slasher movie.
@anchmcle - agree. He is a killer. Entirely too comfortable with killing, and his intent was to kill/hurt as many as possible. The fact that he was calmly lying about it to the cop in the car as well as that BS story he created at the station tells me he knew what he did and he was trying to create a story to get himself out of it. I love people saying he had PTSD and stress-related lying is common. Really? Then why did his lie have everything do with the stabbing, and not just a nonsense story that had none of the details in it? Amazing his story made him innocent also. What a hero! Fought off 2 kids with knives, and disarmed one of them and stabbed the kid with the knife he got from the kid! Right.
No, this guy went back to teach them a lesson. He wanted the encounter. He wanted to slice the kids up. And he doesn’t even mention the encounter to his friends? I wonder why? Bizarre.
The kids were deplorable, but this killer’s lies convinced me he knew what he was doing and he tried his hardest to get away with it.
Exactly!
@@anchmcleAnd he took out the knife, opened it and smirked. While only the two girls were in front of him. He was quietly planning.
Honestly really solid closing argument. I saw hours of testimonies and I was on the defense's side for most of it, but after seeing this I'm starting to side with the prosecution.
Same here.
Hey they're drinking and smoking weed yet they are children. If so then why aren't child services involved with the parents? Responsibility and consequences come with choices. Unfortunately it cost someone their life in this particular situation.
If child services had to be involved in every family where the kids drank or smoked pot at 17, DCS would need like 20 million employees :)
All I hear in these comments is ‘it’s ok for teens in Wisconsin to drink cause everyone does it.’ Brainiacs. Put no accountability on parents. It’s probably the parents making that dumb comment to shirk responsibility.
@@happydayz7857
one of parents was handing out drinks...
How about sending your minor, drunk and drugged teen into an altercation in a body of water?
@@drewc771 then let's stop calling them kids. Once you're physically large enough to hurt a grown man it's hard to consider you a child. At least not physically.
Clint Eastwood, " ever meet someone you know you shouldbt have f ed around with".
The same could be said about the teens. He likely wouldn't have messed with the group of teens had he not known he was armed. He kept touching the knife in the video.
When you go up to males that you dont know, grab their float tube without giving an explanation , its because you are not afraid. Nic, under the influence of alcohol, with the eyes of a Mad Man that was paranoid because he thought that they had his friends phone. He has to be contained for public safety.
There should be a drinking game for this Prosecuting attorney’s lies!
Awful what anger and pride did in this situation 😢
Instant daily tragedies, just add alcohol ... it's non monitored, it's legal, and causes more damage than any illicit drug or marijuana or prescription combined😢
And cruel bullying
@@Dani-ICU-RNnot legal under 21!!!
@DGillian6406 1) if you are underage and your parent/s are with you, you can drink alcohol. Even be served in a restaurant if your parent/s is with you.
I guess you were making your statement as fact, but it's not.
@@justsayin3600 don’t play games! We know what we’re talking about , here. The Mom ordering drinks/the 19 year old ordering drinks…not legal. Alcohol Beverage Control does not allow for sales, service, or consumption of alcohol to minors, as the consumer (regardless if Mommy is there)
The video that was captured disgusts me... I can't stand bullies. Bullying will ALWAYS lead to someone hurt physically, mentally, or both.... hopefully, this case will help spread some Bullying Awareness...you know never what the bullied is capable of..
I was bullied a lot in my life, I never killed them nor would have thought of killing them. Being a kid, teenager , young adult is the period of life you learn proper behavior in life. mue is an older adult, he should have known not to insert himself in that situation. I have seen teenagers act badly many times in my life. I call the police and or walk away.
The camera man/woman or child in this court room is horriable.
So is your spelling.
5:50 Proves he was guilty. You don't take steps TOWARDS someone to stab them if youre trying to claim self-defense. 100% retribution, 100% guilty.
The same guys attacking the kids for defending the girl after Miu hit her, are the SAME guys that would be calling them pussies for not doing anything after watching a grown man hit a girl.
There was never any proof that Mui hit her.
it was a grown woman not a girl, she started it AND a mob beating is not a fair reponse. Especially considering that she was "punched" yet she still held her vape and never spilled a drop of her alcohol. It's all in the video (except for that phantom punch, of course)
I watched the video. His arm goes up, her head goes to the side and everyone starts yelling at him that he can't hit a girl! She runs off holding her face saying he hit her.
But, yeah they ALL made that up in the moment. She told police that too and her mom took pics of it.
A mob beating. 🤣😂🤣😂 One 17 year old 135 lb boy hit him AFTER he hit a girl in front of him.
@@GoddessTheOldeGodd WRONG. Where are the pics? It's been PROVEN in court, police saw no injuries to Maddie AT ALL. They took her phone AND her mom's phone and there were no deleted pics as Maddie claimed.
It is all in the trial, check for yourself so that you don't keep spreading misinformation.
Why aren’t these kids getting charged for underage drinking and dwis , assault charges , they drove to the hospital drunk after the math ….
Maybe they are? But that's not part of this trial
Really? That’s not important here. A murder is. Geezus.
@@cheshirecat888 yeah, there could be civil trials or lawsuits after this. People just comment without understanding the actual law. Charges aren't filed based on emotions.
Probably because one was murdered and four were nearly murdered. Underage drinking and calling someone names PALES in comparison!
@@shannonhawkins3296 wait, you do know that only one of the original teens died right? It's only because he ran up in the middle of a mob beating to choke the victim of the mob assault. It's on the video, confirmed. Maybe the drugs and alcohol led to choices like that?
Isaac was an honor roll student and BULLY
And seriously intoxicated. That's the problem. I doubt Isaac would've done what he did if he'd not been twice the legal limit.
Why didn't he just walk away? Why didn't they just ignore him and walk away? Either way, that young man did not deserve to die.
The prosecutor literally said it perfectly, "the video doesn't lie." And the video literally shows Isaac's hands on Miu's neck.
After he already disemboweled one and stabbing others he was trying to stop him....
@@deborahbogue1202 ✅
For split second. Just like the prosecutor said you can’t freeze a frame and create a story. This idiot literally created a story from thin air. The kids had a few details wrong. That was it. He thought he can get away with it because the cops told me they only had a picture of him. Thank God for the video!
Ikr mind blowing they put this case forward
AS YOU IGNORE THE POINT WHEN HE STABBED DANTE BUT SURE
This whole situation is sad. Guilty or not guilty, he, the defendant shows no remorse. This man let his ego and pride control his feelings. I wish he would've walked away.
Listening to NM's own testimony with him continuously saying "I don't remember " I knew he was not telling what he really remembered or believed. Saying I don't remember is a childish excuse for bad behavier.
That's interesting. Did you conveniently "not remember" the parts where all of the teenagers and 20-somethings on the stand were saying that they didn't remember?
Nobody seems to remember anything!!!!!!!!!!!
Good thing video captured it all.
What about the other " victims" testimonies they said the same thing even with video to help they just couldn't remember weird how that doesn't seem to matter
@curtrupp4259 Of course it matters but they didn't kill anyone.
@@oralearamsey7377 because they didn't get the chance to when you back someone into a corner or encircle someone they'll react one hundred percent it should have never come to that I'm aghast at how many idiots claimed they tried to stop the fighting when the video shows they all escalated it
@@IMAT01 just like the teens other people have selective memory which usually means they remember what they want to remember
Thoses kids wanted to be famous on social media... they got their wish!!!
Yep.... they got a real life story to tell now.
Two types of people in this world. One believes in personal liberty and the right to self defense, the other will never accept an individual expression of self and only group need....and the group needs to not get stabbed for acting like morons.
This can be seen all over the political landscape.
To some Miu will never be guilty, to some he will never be innocent.
I am for individual liberty. I am pro second amendmant. I believe he acted in self defense.
If someone is against the second amendmant, they do not agree with individual liberty. They align more with a group prosperity model. They will never see an act as self defense, because the group loses.
The question is what ideology do you believe?
I believe in the ideology in which I am not a pseudo-intellectual smartass making a situation unnecessarily political like you
His life was not being threatened. He was pushed a couple of times and mocked. You're right that there is no middle ground here. You either believe that the kid deserved to die for what he did or you don't. I don't. Miu also had the "individual liberty" to walk away. Which he had plenty of opportunities to do.
@Matthewwarnke great comment!
This is horseshit. You're lumping political ideology into this where it doesn't belong. I believe in some elements of socialism, like Social Security, Medicare for all, public education, the greater public good, etc. Very much believe that what benefits all of us also benefits the individual. I don't tolerate bullying. I do believe in personal freedom, personal rights and self defense. I'm a leftist, I carry CCW. We exist.
If you choose to exercise your 2nd Amendment privilege, you should also accept the responsibility of showing a great deal of self-restraint, because carrying deadly weapons makes you a potential hazard, as well as a potential protector.
Why did Madison not testify ? I missed it .
She did. It was blocked out.
They don’t want everyone to see how much she lied about it 😢😢😢
She did.
@@philliphall5198she’s not on trial, because she did nothing illegal, so her testimony does not have to be broadcast to the world if she so chooses. The only one I saw who kept lying on the stand was Miu
Apparently she didn’t go to court her testimony was pre-taped.. interesting to say the least
Everyone has an opinion on this and listened to both sides. My opinion like so many others doesn't matter. What matters is the Jurors opinions and their decision, guilty or not guilty. It's sad that this had to happen. Mr Miu is not "old" at 52 and he is not feeble. Why he decided to do what he did only he knows for sure and he will have to live with himself. My heart goes out to Isaac's family and friends. May he RIP. I hope that others will learn from this tragedy.
Guilty. This guy is a murderer. The kids aren't totally innocent. But nobody should have been stabbed. Anyone defending this "old man" is just evil. What he did was horrendous and he should be in prison for killing a young man and stabbing and almost killing several other people.
If the kids aren't totally innocent then that automatically makes him not guilty. The way it works.
@@belleslettres354that’s not actually how it works. Someone calling you names is not the same as someone approaching someone (Dante) and stabbing him for no reason other than to pay him back for hitting the defendant earlier.
That moment is where I see the intentions behind the defendant’s attack.
Also, the defendant was the first aggressor by running up to the boys and trying to grab a phone out of their hands. At that moment, he made the first physical contact and first attack against anyone in the incident.
Kids 100% in the wrong
@@tflo5768 what do you think a guy with a knife who already defended himself was going to do when you come up on him and act tough? if he doesnt stab dante, dante punches him in the face and then what? they going to make sure he doesnt drown while or keep hitting him for the video? think a little bit.
@@tflo5768I’ve seen videos where huge groups/mobs of people end up killing somebody, and they are literally indecipherable from the way the people in that video were acting. All of them begin exactly how that video was going; Taunting, mocking, surrounding, laughing, pushing, taking turns hitting the person and knocking them off their feet… Those guys in the video looked like they were having a blast surrounding the guy and riling up people against him by calling him a pedophile. The lady who was allegedly hit was 2 inches from the guy’s face screaming at him and grabbing his shoulders while everyone was gathered around him (it would reasonable for anyone to want the person out of their face). It’s unbelievably naive to think that the situation wasn’t getting even worse than it already was when the group of drunk guys started pushing, hitting, and grabbing the guy’s neck, all while still laughing and taunting him.
The outcome of the video would have been a hell of a lot different had the guy not had a knife. I’ve had strange people come up to my friends and I when I was younger, and we did not act in anyway like the guys in the video did. They were escalating the situation every chance they got, and were legitimately acting like complete animals. How can anyone watch that video and defend the way the 13 of them were acting towards one guy? It’s insane to absolve them of the clear danger posed to one person.
Yes the kids were wrong for what they did to the man but also he looks and acted like a hitman
If he acted like a hitman they would all be dead
Doesn't matter how he looked. He was in a threatening situation.