I think there is an interesting parallel here that is not often discussed. What was the thing that traumatized Kageyama? When his team said "No more. We're not going to accommodate your bad habits" and let a point go to prove a point. What did Kageyama do to Tsuki? He threw a toss that he *knew* Tsuki would miss because, and I quote, "I'm not gonna stoop to your level". It's interesting because I think a lot of people just don't see Kageyama's tosses and habits as bad when he was on his Jr High team because he is a POV character. They see it as the team just not working hard enough. But we should make no mistake, those tosses and habits WERE bad. There was an entire arc in season 1 about how when Kageyama gets stressed he starts tossing faster and more direct throws that are harder to hit because he panics. A lot of people hate on the players that were on his team, but we see in season one that those same players beat Karasuno when they were working with a setter that was willing to actually work with them. The only real difference was the setter. It's just very funny to me to see him do the exact same thing as his teammates did to him, to intentionally blow a point, and that it's seen as character growth. I've really never liked the way this Serene King theme played out. Kageyama's biggest weaknesses have always been poor communication, and lack of trust in his teammates by believing he always was the best and knew the best place and pace to put the ball. I don't really know where I'm going with this, but this episode has never hit for me like I think the author intended it to.
I think your way of looking at it is a bit off, respectfully. His old kingly tosses were only “bad” because they didn’t accommodate his team. He knew his team couldn’t keep up, but instead of meeting them halfway (which is what he did this time to Tsuki, Kag knew tsuki could actually do more, Hinata confirmed this) he would be get angry and oppressive. His habit of tossing faster is mostly inspired by “we simply need to be faster to overcome their blocks”, but doesn’t take into account the team. That was mostly his season 1 emotions. When he learned from Oikawa, his perspective 180’d. He made himself purely accommodating to his team. Giving them EXACTLY the tosses they wanted. However, this breeds complacency among the spikers. That is why (From what I gather thus far) Atsumu called Kag a “goody-two shoes”. He made Kageyama balance himself out between ‘Accommodate’ and ‘Push your limits’. It’s like his new perspective is “I will give you the toss I believe you can hit. Allow me to bring out your best if we want to win.” Which I think is the correct mentality of the setter. This episode was all about that balance being realized. Pinning this comment because I’m curious how people feel about this!
Cast is right. It's a parallel, sure. But it's still completely different. Kageyama's sets and habits were bad in middle school because he knew his teammates couldn't keep up with his sets, they hadn't ever before, no matter how much they tried. In this episode, he knew Tsukki could jump higher based on what Hinata was saying, it's just that he was choosing not. The difference between the sets is that one was actually impossible for the spiker, and one was extending the spiker's limits.
I love that you point it out. People usually look at kageyama's junior teammate as bad players but never acknowledge that kageyama thinks himself too highly and look down on others including his teammates just because of their work ethic. He is blinded by his ability to the point that he doesn't realize his flaws. To the point that his teammates has no other way of getting the point across except by boycotting him. We can see in s4 ep 5, that kindaichi really weight down by his actions but kunimi said that he did his best to point it out before all that happen. Like suga said, because of what happened in junior high, that kageyama, finally realised there are a possibility that he is in the wrong. There is also a fact that kageyama do over corrected his game play after what oikawa said but in reality even oikawa challenge his spikers to pull out the best in them. Casing point with kindaichi, in S2, oikawa make kindaichi do the same type of spike even after kindaichi voice out his opinion because oikawa see kindaichi's potential and try to bring it out rather than stick to what kindaichi comfortable with.
@@CastSenpai "His old kingly tosses were only “bad” because they didn’t accommodate his team." I actually think they are legitimately terrible tosses if you go back and actually watch them. Not all of them of course, he is very talented, but his so-called king tosses were line-drive shots to where a player wasn't even at yet. Quite simply, that's a bad set. IIRC, you played soccer correct? If a player is skilled, but they start panicking and make passes based on where they personally deem the other player *should* be to receive them not where they actually *are* then wouldn't you call that a bad pass? You'd literally just be giving posession to the other team. The only reason the King tosses worked in S1 is basically hand wavey anime magic of directly delivering them into Hinata's palm, literally nobody can actually hit those sets. If your sets can't be hit by anyone, they are bad. You're right that there is a difference between his sets back then and now, and that growth you're talking about is absolutely there. You're spot on with the 180 and how he went too far in the other direction, being too afraid to offer critique. I think we actually agree in general more than you might think. And yes, Tsuki CAN jump higher. But the parallel I'm drawing is that in both cases one party is saying "I'm not putting up with your bullshit anymore" and intentionally throwing away a point, but many people hate on the middle school team SO MUCH for it for "giving up", but most of the time are fine with Kageyama throwing away this point with Tsuki because they see his internal monologue and understand his justification. But we should make no mistake, instead of actually communicating with his teammate, with their coach, etc. about how he knows Tsuki can jump higher, he just throws away the point to prove a point. You're certainly right with what the episode is trying to convey. It just doesn't land well for me. I've always been a person who struggled with my temper and competitiveness, and one of the skills I've had to work very hard on is communication. I feel like you've even said this yourself, that like it or not, how you communicate matters a TON in team sports because if you bring your whole team down with your temper and ego, that's on you and it has a tangible negative effect. The fact that Kageyama blew up at Asahi shows that he still has a ton of growth there, but then kind of immediately brushes it off as "well don't expect much from him, we know he sucks at communication" just comes off really odd for me.
I agree he needs still to work on communicating, him blowing up on Asahi wasn’t right per se, but it has similar energy to his comment with Noya. I can also concede that throwing away that point to Tsuki wasn’t the logically best way. But then again, Tsuki is hardheaded and doesn’t wanna listen to Kag specifically, so maybe it was the most effective way. Hard to say. In the anime Blue Lock (its a soccer anime), without getting into spoiler zone, there actually is a talented character who would pass to an area no one is, because his higher instincts determined “thats where a good player would be”, but in his junior high/high school no one would be there. Yes, they were “bad” passes based on outcome. But I don’t judge decisions good/bad based on outcome, but rather circumstance. Kageyamas sets ALWAYS went where he wanted them to. He never tossed sets that were strategically weak. Kageyama’s battle has always been internal. His middle school attitude was like if you were a pro volleyball player, showed up to a gym of kids, and demanded they kept up. Not only immature and unreasonable but pretty much impossible. But Kageyama knows what Karasuno is capable very well. He isn’t doing too much, unlike the past. Tbh unless Kageyama makes a mistake, the lost points are more on the spikers now than ever.
This is a funny scene 7:01 cause in the manga Tsukki said "is it that time of the month for u" meaning that he wanted to really rile up kageyama ahahahha
ehh kinda disagree, kageyama was born a king 😂 hinata helped him refine it to work in a team setting. but yea kageyama definitely make him the greatest decoy.
Yeah, I do love watching reaction videos, especially to Haikyuu. Watching people get hooked into Haikyuu is so much fun. I think I've rewatched the entire show at least 6 or 7 times through reaction channels alone. New channels always seem to pop up with Haikyuu ones, it's great
I absolutely ADORE this episode. The way this episode manages to utilize and profit off of character dynamics and progression. No big plays, no flashy animation. Only raw character interactions and simple symbolism. It feels so rich and sophisticated, truly a masterfully crafted story.
Just want to point out that Kogane is one of the very few people who recognize and admire Kageyama's hard working. Most people just categorize him as genius, people rarely pointing out how many hours he spent practicing hard to get that good. Kudos to Kogane, a very sincere and likable character.
Your reaction is incredible, I had to watch it a third time to understand Kageyama's inner conflicts at the time, but you analyzed it correctly from the start. I realized the first time I watched it that I misunderstood him quite a bit, but he is now my favorite character, and his character development is the best.
Been so excited for this episode. The moment where Hinata crowns Kageyama is just everything. I always have my Kageyama nendoroid with his little towel crown on lol
Well said in the intro. That's a great summary, and I hadn't thought about Takeda's extra motivation in accepting the Date Tech 3rd years as sort of penance for Hinata, but that does make sense.
I feel you, I love Haikyuu with my heart and soul. Not only for the characters, also the story itself with its narrative and some very significant life lessons 😭 Nekoma is your favorite team? Because I cheated on Karasuno...with Inarizaki 😩♥️
Dude you HAVE to watch Lord of the Rings, you have no idea how much you will love it. And a lot of other people will gather around to watch you do it. Trust me.
I love hinata and kageyama's development and the WHOLE team, really! the only thing that kind of bothers me is that the animation from now on gets worse (if i am not wrong). Only some specific frames (normally close ups) are fucking good but otherwise... if you stop at any moment, it'll definitely be funny. I just hope the movies are better. Again, this was a fun reaction ep! Have a great day :)
I am so happy to finally see your reaction and commentary to this episode. It is one of my favorite moments of the series and shows just how great Karasuno is as a team and for Kageyama. It isn't a situation that has to be dragged out because it is something that has been happening since the beginning. They have this understanding of each other that makes these moments standout. Kageyama has some great development. And I loved watching this for his character.
I think there is an interesting parallel here that is not often discussed. What was the thing that traumatized Kageyama? When his team said "No more. We're not going to accommodate your bad habits" and let a point go to prove a point. What did Kageyama do to Tsuki? He threw a toss that he *knew* Tsuki would miss because, and I quote, "I'm not gonna stoop to your level".
It's interesting because I think a lot of people just don't see Kageyama's tosses and habits as bad when he was on his Jr High team because he is a POV character. They see it as the team just not working hard enough. But we should make no mistake, those tosses and habits WERE bad. There was an entire arc in season 1 about how when Kageyama gets stressed he starts tossing faster and more direct throws that are harder to hit because he panics. A lot of people hate on the players that were on his team, but we see in season one that those same players beat Karasuno when they were working with a setter that was willing to actually work with them. The only real difference was the setter.
It's just very funny to me to see him do the exact same thing as his teammates did to him, to intentionally blow a point, and that it's seen as character growth. I've really never liked the way this Serene King theme played out. Kageyama's biggest weaknesses have always been poor communication, and lack of trust in his teammates by believing he always was the best and knew the best place and pace to put the ball. I don't really know where I'm going with this, but this episode has never hit for me like I think the author intended it to.
I think your way of looking at it is a bit off, respectfully. His old kingly tosses were only “bad” because they didn’t accommodate his team. He knew his team couldn’t keep up, but instead of meeting them halfway (which is what he did this time to Tsuki, Kag knew tsuki could actually do more, Hinata confirmed this) he would be get angry and oppressive. His habit of tossing faster is mostly inspired by “we simply need to be faster to overcome their blocks”, but doesn’t take into account the team.
That was mostly his season 1 emotions. When he learned from Oikawa, his perspective 180’d. He made himself purely accommodating to his team. Giving them EXACTLY the tosses they wanted. However, this breeds complacency among the spikers. That is why (From what I gather thus far) Atsumu called Kag a “goody-two shoes”. He made Kageyama balance himself out between ‘Accommodate’ and ‘Push your limits’. It’s like his new perspective is “I will give you the toss I believe you can hit. Allow me to bring out your best if we want to win.” Which I think is the correct mentality of the setter. This episode was all about that balance being realized.
Pinning this comment because I’m curious how people feel about this!
Cast is right. It's a parallel, sure. But it's still completely different. Kageyama's sets and habits were bad in middle school because he knew his teammates couldn't keep up with his sets, they hadn't ever before, no matter how much they tried. In this episode, he knew Tsukki could jump higher based on what Hinata was saying, it's just that he was choosing not. The difference between the sets is that one was actually impossible for the spiker, and one was extending the spiker's limits.
I love that you point it out. People usually look at kageyama's junior teammate as bad players but never acknowledge that kageyama thinks himself too highly and look down on others including his teammates just because of their work ethic. He is blinded by his ability to the point that he doesn't realize his flaws.
To the point that his teammates has no other way of getting the point across except by boycotting him. We can see in s4 ep 5, that kindaichi really weight down by his actions but kunimi said that he did his best to point it out before all that happen. Like suga said, because of what happened in junior high, that kageyama, finally realised there are a possibility that he is in the wrong.
There is also a fact that kageyama do over corrected his game play after what oikawa said but in reality even oikawa challenge his spikers to pull out the best in them. Casing point with kindaichi, in S2, oikawa make kindaichi do the same type of spike even after kindaichi voice out his opinion because oikawa see kindaichi's potential and try to bring it out rather than stick to what kindaichi comfortable with.
@@CastSenpai "His old kingly tosses were only “bad” because they didn’t accommodate his team."
I actually think they are legitimately terrible tosses if you go back and actually watch them. Not all of them of course, he is very talented, but his so-called king tosses were line-drive shots to where a player wasn't even at yet. Quite simply, that's a bad set. IIRC, you played soccer correct? If a player is skilled, but they start panicking and make passes based on where they personally deem the other player *should* be to receive them not where they actually *are* then wouldn't you call that a bad pass? You'd literally just be giving posession to the other team. The only reason the King tosses worked in S1 is basically hand wavey anime magic of directly delivering them into Hinata's palm, literally nobody can actually hit those sets. If your sets can't be hit by anyone, they are bad.
You're right that there is a difference between his sets back then and now, and that growth you're talking about is absolutely there. You're spot on with the 180 and how he went too far in the other direction, being too afraid to offer critique. I think we actually agree in general more than you might think.
And yes, Tsuki CAN jump higher. But the parallel I'm drawing is that in both cases one party is saying "I'm not putting up with your bullshit anymore" and intentionally throwing away a point, but many people hate on the middle school team SO MUCH for it for "giving up", but most of the time are fine with Kageyama throwing away this point with Tsuki because they see his internal monologue and understand his justification. But we should make no mistake, instead of actually communicating with his teammate, with their coach, etc. about how he knows Tsuki can jump higher, he just throws away the point to prove a point.
You're certainly right with what the episode is trying to convey. It just doesn't land well for me. I've always been a person who struggled with my temper and competitiveness, and one of the skills I've had to work very hard on is communication. I feel like you've even said this yourself, that like it or not, how you communicate matters a TON in team sports because if you bring your whole team down with your temper and ego, that's on you and it has a tangible negative effect. The fact that Kageyama blew up at Asahi shows that he still has a ton of growth there, but then kind of immediately brushes it off as "well don't expect much from him, we know he sucks at communication" just comes off really odd for me.
I agree he needs still to work on communicating, him blowing up on Asahi wasn’t right per se, but it has similar energy to his comment with Noya. I can also concede that throwing away that point to Tsuki wasn’t the logically best way. But then again, Tsuki is hardheaded and doesn’t wanna listen to Kag specifically, so maybe it was the most effective way. Hard to say.
In the anime Blue Lock (its a soccer anime), without getting into spoiler zone, there actually is a talented character who would pass to an area no one is, because his higher instincts determined “thats where a good player would be”, but in his junior high/high school no one would be there. Yes, they were “bad” passes based on outcome. But I don’t judge decisions good/bad based on outcome, but rather circumstance. Kageyamas sets ALWAYS went where he wanted them to. He never tossed sets that were strategically weak. Kageyama’s battle has always been internal. His middle school attitude was like if you were a pro volleyball player, showed up to a gym of kids, and demanded they kept up. Not only immature and unreasonable but pretty much impossible. But Kageyama knows what Karasuno is capable very well. He isn’t doing too much, unlike the past. Tbh unless Kageyama makes a mistake, the lost points are more on the spikers now than ever.
This is a funny scene 7:01 cause in the manga Tsukki said "is it that time of the month for u" meaning that he wanted to really rile up kageyama ahahahha
we can all agree that kageyama made hinata the greatest decoy and in return hinata made kageyama the king of the court
ehh kinda disagree, kageyama was born a king 😂 hinata helped him refine it to work in a team setting. but yea kageyama definitely make him the greatest decoy.
Hinata/Karasuno helped refine Kageyama from an absolute ruler to an enlightened ruler. They drive him toward the golden mean, so to speak.
Well Hinata was also born quck paced and always drew attention to himself. So same thing Hinata was born that way and Kageyama refined him.@@gausly
Yeah, I do love watching reaction videos, especially to Haikyuu. Watching people get hooked into Haikyuu is so much fun. I think I've rewatched the entire show at least 6 or 7 times through reaction channels alone. New channels always seem to pop up with Haikyuu ones, it's great
I absolutely ADORE this episode. The way this episode manages to utilize and profit off of character dynamics and progression. No big plays, no flashy animation. Only raw character interactions and simple symbolism. It feels so rich and sophisticated, truly a masterfully crafted story.
Just want to point out that Kogane is one of the very few people who recognize and admire Kageyama's hard working. Most people just categorize him as genius, people rarely pointing out how many hours he spent practicing hard to get that good. Kudos to Kogane, a very sincere and likable character.
Dude I would love to see ur reactions to movies! Especially LOTR
Your reaction is incredible, I had to watch it a third time to understand Kageyama's inner conflicts at the time, but you analyzed it correctly from the start. I realized the first time I watched it that I misunderstood him quite a bit, but he is now my favorite character, and his character development is the best.
Hearing you dissect Atsumu's advice in the beginning makes me so happy! I LOOOOVE how you get it!
Been so excited for this episode. The moment where Hinata crowns Kageyama is just everything. I always have my Kageyama nendoroid with his little towel crown on lol
Well said in the intro. That's a great summary, and I hadn't thought about Takeda's extra motivation in accepting the Date Tech 3rd years as sort of penance for Hinata, but that does make sense.
Honestly I believe Kageyama is definitely somewhere on the ASD spectrum.
Watching movies on here would be a ton of fun! I'm a huge movie person myself so I'd be totally down for that kind of content!
WHAAAAAAA U HAVE NOT SEEN LOTR???!!! since u love character development it’s a must!! And if u do please watch the extended edition please 🙏🏻🙏🏻
AHHHHHH FINALLY THIS EPISODEEE
I feel you, I love Haikyuu with my heart and soul. Not only for the characters, also the story itself with its narrative and some very significant life lessons 😭
Nekoma is your favorite team? Because I cheated on Karasuno...with Inarizaki 😩♥️
18:05 Yes, dude please! React to the Lord Of The Rings trilogy!!
Dude you HAVE to watch Lord of the Rings, you have no idea how much you will love it. And a lot of other people will gather around to watch you do it. Trust me.
I love hinata and kageyama's development and the WHOLE team, really! the only thing that kind of bothers me is that the animation from now on gets worse (if i am not wrong). Only some specific frames (normally close ups) are fucking good but otherwise... if you stop at any moment, it'll definitely be funny. I just hope the movies are better. Again, this was a fun reaction ep! Have a great day :)
I am so happy to finally see your reaction and commentary to this episode. It is one of my favorite moments of the series and shows just how great Karasuno is as a team and for Kageyama. It isn't a situation that has to be dragged out because it is something that has been happening since the beginning. They have this understanding of each other that makes these moments standout.
Kageyama has some great development. And I loved watching this for his character.