Jo Berry. I think many people could take a leaf from your book.......I grew up in west Belfast in the 70’s/80’s & can totally relate to Pats way of thinking. I lost two first cousins to the troubles in 1989.
Deep bow to Jo Berry and Pat Magee. 34:43 Stunning and profound. This line holds so much. Jo's insights about forgiveness v empathy / understanding--beautiful. Thank you for this magnificent interview, conscioustv.
Thanks Iain for this interview....very sensitively conducted..and thanks to the two participants.It was hard not to shed a tear while watching this interview.
what blows my mind about all this is how the two parties are portrayed in any discussion. this one seems more fair, but if you look this pair up it's always "how she learned to forgive her father's killer." the mindset of the conqueror is the default; we took this, we own it now, how dare you stand up to us? so the people that stand against ridiculous odds to try to defend themselves, they're the killers, the brutes, the mob. she had to be taught real empathy that she couldn't read in some guru's book with a bomb. that bomb gave her father's legacy tangible meaning and gave her a journey to walk on through which she gained knowledge. the IRA had been feeding their lives to some greater awareness of Ireland's struggle for lifetimes at that point; was his life so much more important that it shouldn't serve the same purpose? this is the logical tipping point of a world that sees it perfectly reasonable for a privileged few to rule over the many with no concern or thought to the population involved. a few people in the cabinet could decide tomorrow to pull England out of Ireland. but for money, and pride, and whatever other silly justifications they concoct, they stay. if more IRAs existed, so called leaders would behave very differently.
@@timcomley3241 Hello sir, Well said ' I certainly could not of met him but I admire Jo. I agree with Norman Tebbit they found a mug in Smiler Tony Blair.
@@glynnevans1851 interesting perspective. As I an irish I have no time for the IRA & they offered us nothing but violence however they were a necessary evil to keep the British army at bay & overturn the gerrymandered state of northern Ireland. I'm curious about your view of the British army's bombings and shootings of civilians & collusion with paramilitaries in Ireland. Mr McGee is hardly a role model for my children but still he gives an honest account of the mindset of a Provo & his work is doing good in this environment. Jo Berry is in my view the true hero and we should all both sides of this conflict pull in the horns and find a better future for everyone on the island of Ireland and our closest neighbours in Britain.
@@mjintegrale Hello sir, Thanks for your reply and interesting too.In the Late 60s n 70s the situation was miss handled by the British government and Very little was achieved. My criticism was of Tony Blair not only a champagne socialist but a complete fool and Very gullible however Mr McGee did appear to want to make peace. May I ask you do you follow horse racing ' I like your Irish grand national meeting and you have produced some Momentous horses over the years.Kind regards Glynn n greetings from Stourbridge West Midlands UK 🕊🕊🕊
mbill No Tony Blair personally made a speech about the famine where he discussed the tragedy and expressed sorrow but there was no apology and definitely not a formal apology. Blair was a transitory politician and only the Crown can make an official apology and that is why when the Queen went to Dublin and made a speech it was disgraceful that she only made vague references of regret for the past but made no general or specific apology for past crimes like the artificial Irish famine genocide.
I remember patchily about this. They certainly found the achilles heel a security net had been placed around the hotel so it was assumed the bomb must have been planted weeks earlier. Too Little Wisdom Kills.
I think Jo led a very sheltered life and had much time to dwell on herself by travels to India etc. Calling herself a spiritual person. Most people are very busy working and making a living. As far as Patrick is concerned he should have faced the death penalty. These type of people are nauseating.
Right after Unionists and their British gov backers apologize for generations of discrimination and oppression of the catholic community in NI. The reason I say this is because I continue to feel hurt at the discrimination and violence meeted out to my grandfather and father by the loyalist community. I've other family members as well...
Fair play to both Jo and Pat. Extremely hard for her to sit with the man who ended her fathers life, equally as difficult for Pat to witness and listen to the hurt it caused. People write off those who participated in the conflict in the North (on every side) as murderers, thugs, terrorists, instead of actually trying to understand what it was like for people like Pat growing up in a war zone and living under systemic oppression and daily degradation of his people. Violence should always be the last resort but unfortunately it was the only option after peaceful civil rights marches were beaten off the street, alongside the programs of 1969 which were facilitated by the police force who were meant to protect its citizens. In saying that I find it hard to feel any sympathy for those who served in thatchers cabinet during that time, aiding the British War machine and being complicit in the atrocities carried out under orders from the very highest positions in the British government though i do have sympathy for Jo, an innocent woman who's life was torn apart as a result of a conflict she knew nothing about
The La Mon restaurant bombing was the ONLY option.!? But what 's the point ?. They did this....We did that ...He said...We said.....Nothing can bring those people back . Most of them are already forgotten. As we in our turn must be.
@2msvalkyrie529 La Mon isn't a restaurant, it's a hotel, you probably couldn't even point to it on a map For what it's worth, it was an appalling atrocity, one that could have been prevented if civl rights protestors weren't beat off the street in burntollet and massacred in Derry British soldiers lives could have been saved if they weren't placed under the direction of the unionist state, who's only aim was self preservation and continued oppression of the nationalist minority. People like yourself take the moral high ground about violence 'it is never the answer' yet in the same vein will defend the fight against fascism in the 1940s. That begs the question, is violence only allowed to be used when it is by western 'democracies'?
I remember patchily about this. They certainly found the achilles heel a security net had been placed around the hotel so it was assumed the bomb must have been planted weeks earlier. Too Little Wisdom Kills.
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This is one of the most beautiful things I have witnessed in my entire life.
What a lovely person Jo Berry is. She does honour to her father.
What remarkably brave and similarly insightful people they both are.
Jo Berry. I think many people could take a leaf from your book.......I grew up in west Belfast in the 70’s/80’s & can totally relate to Pats way of thinking. I lost two first cousins to the troubles in 1989.
Deep bow to Jo Berry and Pat Magee.
34:43 Stunning and profound. This line holds so much.
Jo's insights about forgiveness v empathy / understanding--beautiful.
Thank you for this magnificent interview, conscioustv.
Heard her among callers to James O'Brien, had to look up about the situation afterwards cause could not believe it. Very inspiring.
Thanks Iain for this interview....very sensitively conducted..and thanks to the two participants.It was hard not to shed a tear while watching this interview.
what blows my mind about all this is how the two parties are portrayed in any discussion. this one seems more fair, but if you look this pair up it's always "how she learned to forgive her father's killer." the mindset of the conqueror is the default; we took this, we own it now, how dare you stand up to us? so the people that stand against ridiculous odds to try to defend themselves, they're the killers, the brutes, the mob. she had to be taught real empathy that she couldn't read in some guru's book with a bomb. that bomb gave her father's legacy tangible meaning and gave her a journey to walk on through which she gained knowledge. the IRA had been feeding their lives to some greater awareness of Ireland's struggle for lifetimes at that point; was his life so much more important that it shouldn't serve the same purpose? this is the logical tipping point of a world that sees it perfectly reasonable for a privileged few to rule over the many with no concern or thought to the population involved. a few people in the cabinet could decide tomorrow to pull England out of Ireland. but for money, and pride, and whatever other silly justifications they concoct, they stay. if more IRAs existed, so called leaders would behave very differently.
The transcript of this interview is available to view here.
www.conscious.tv/text/104.htm
Very important. It may create difference of opinion, but important.
So inspiring, thank you so much for for this!
bombing people not quite so inspiring
@@timcomley3241 Hello sir, Well said ' I certainly could not of met him but I admire Jo. I agree with Norman Tebbit they found a mug in Smiler Tony Blair.
@@glynnevans1851 interesting perspective. As I an irish I have no time for the IRA & they offered us nothing but violence however they were a necessary evil to keep the British army at bay & overturn the gerrymandered state of northern Ireland. I'm curious about your view of the British army's bombings and shootings of civilians & collusion with paramilitaries in Ireland. Mr McGee is hardly a role model for my children but still he gives an honest account of the mindset of a Provo & his work is doing good in this environment. Jo Berry is in my view the true hero and we should all both sides of this conflict pull in the horns and find a better future for everyone on the island of Ireland and our closest neighbours in Britain.
@@mjintegrale Hello sir, Thanks for your reply and interesting too.In the Late 60s n 70s the situation was miss handled by the British government and Very little was achieved. My criticism was of Tony Blair not only a champagne socialist but a complete fool and Very gullible however Mr McGee did appear to want to make peace. May I ask you do you follow horse racing ' I like your Irish grand national meeting and you have produced some Momentous horses over the years.Kind regards Glynn n greetings from Stourbridge West Midlands UK 🕊🕊🕊
While I do respect the work that this pair do, I think it was wrong of Jo to bring Pat to the House of Commons for the memorial of the Brighton Bomb.
I think it was disrespectful for the Queen to visit Ireland without an apology for the artificial famine genocide
***** The Blair government said sorry in 1997 for that.
mbill No Tony Blair personally made a speech about the famine where he discussed the tragedy and expressed sorrow but there was no apology and definitely not a formal apology. Blair was a transitory politician and only the Crown can make an official apology and that is why when the Queen went to Dublin and made a speech it was disgraceful that she only made vague references of regret for the past but made no general or specific apology for past crimes like the artificial Irish famine genocide.
+Bridget O’Donnell+1 Nothing fake about he famine it was mass murder.
It wasn't the memorial and not my invitation, just giving you the facts. Thanks for your respect.
Why present such an enlightened talk in the dark. Turn on the light 🕯️☮️
I remember patchily about this. They certainly found the achilles heel a security net had been placed around the hotel so it was assumed the bomb must have been planted weeks earlier. Too Little Wisdom Kills.
Wonderful! This video is so inspiring... I wish people who don't speak English could watch it with captions!
I think Jo led a very sheltered life and had much time to dwell on herself by travels to India etc. Calling herself a spiritual person. Most people are very busy working and making a living. As far as Patrick is concerned he should have faced the death penalty. These type of people are nauseating.
Pat magee mate you need to go to confession mate asap
seconded.
To truly confess you need to repent. As in say sorry to those you have wronged. Exactly what hes doing
Right after Unionists and their British gov backers apologize for generations of discrimination and oppression of the catholic community in NI. The reason I say this is because I continue to feel hurt at the discrimination and violence meeted out to my grandfather and father by the loyalist community. I've other family members as well...
SF 's Michelle O' Neill can attend
the Coronation but you can't move
on....? It's more a reflection of your own inadequacy and lack
of understanding.
Forgiveness is weak!
Crypticmind242 the devine mercy is not weak
Fair play to both Jo and Pat. Extremely hard for her to sit with the man who ended her fathers life, equally as difficult for Pat to witness and listen to the hurt it caused. People write off those who participated in the conflict in the North (on every side) as murderers, thugs, terrorists, instead of actually trying to understand what it was like for people like Pat growing up in a war zone and living under systemic oppression and daily degradation of his people. Violence should always be the last resort but unfortunately it was the only option after peaceful civil rights marches were beaten off the street, alongside the programs of 1969 which were facilitated by the police force who were meant to protect its citizens. In saying that I find it hard to feel any sympathy for those who served in thatchers cabinet during that time, aiding the British War machine and being complicit in the atrocities carried out under orders from the very highest positions in the British government though i do have sympathy for Jo, an innocent woman who's life was torn apart as a result of a conflict she knew nothing about
The La Mon restaurant bombing
was the ONLY option.!?
But what 's the point ?. They did this....We did that ...He said...We said.....Nothing can bring those people back . Most of them are
already forgotten. As we in our turn must be.
@2msvalkyrie529 La Mon isn't a restaurant, it's a hotel, you probably couldn't even point to it on a map
For what it's worth, it was an appalling atrocity, one that could have been prevented if civl rights protestors weren't beat off the street in burntollet and massacred in Derry
British soldiers lives could have been saved if they weren't placed under the direction of the unionist state, who's only aim was self preservation and continued oppression of the nationalist minority.
People like yourself take the moral high ground about violence 'it is never the answer' yet in the same vein will defend the fight against fascism in the 1940s. That begs the question, is violence only allowed to be used when it is by western 'democracies'?
I remember patchily about this. They certainly found the achilles heel a security net had been placed around the hotel so it was assumed the bomb must have been planted weeks earlier. Too Little Wisdom Kills.