thanks for doing this Owen, as an 18-year-old with a northern Irish mum I think the youth in Britain have no understanding about how devastating the troubles were for both sides. the northern Ireland I visit now is nothing like the northern Ireland my mum grew up in thanks to dialogue and forgiveness.
A brilliant piece. I was 6 in 1968, at the time of the Civil Rights Marches and remember the 'troubles' throughout those torturous three decades of bloodshed. Well done, as always, keep these interviews going! Stephen Macclesfield.
This was in my view a very important interview very sensitively handled by Owen. The content you are putting out Owen is incredible. It is an important reminder of the pain that must be avoided.
@@e-cavalier2739 but how do they "get people fired". If an employer thinks their business would run better by firing a certain employee that's just free market capitalism.
@@e-cavalier2739 pardon my ignorance, but what is "victim firing"? I'm not clear on some of these terms. I assumed these people were fired because their employer felt they were damaging their brand and subsequently their product sales.
Incredible interview - I lived in the area in the 70s and felt the full pelt of the troubles in the areas mentioned. Restorative justice in action here maybe. Thank you for the interview and the chance to hear this.
'they (British state) had all the power, all the options, and they chose violence'. This applies so well to every complaint against protests disrupting public life. If you ignore us when we use the proper channels or shut down those channels eg. Labelling activist groups as terrorists what other options are left?
Try the other option out. See where it gets you. Know what you're about, weigh your options, and then decide whether what you're about is worth drawing a whole population into.
Because England's dominant political movement, the Conservatives, relies on hypocrisy and lies to continue to exist and be a many-centuries foul blight on the British Isles, Europe and the world.
A soldier, being honest about his past, his trauma etc, is a rarity. War is horror and state terrorism must be resisted but I am so glad he has found some inner peace. Not many veterans of war ever achieve that.
this is brilliant!! 👍 thanks for this beautiful interview! i'm wondering, won't we all live a better world with such intelligent and emotionally stable people like mr magee? people like him who act in the interest of all rather than their very own. people who aren't afraid to lose their whole lives to serve a better future for the mass. this all reminds me of this amazing quote by martin luther king jr: « one has not only a legal, but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. »
This should be interesting, and is a clear case in favour of restorative justice. No doubt this is going to be controversial though, but society needs people to talk about these sort of things
I’m far from getting at you but I recommend you have a look at the case of little Majella O’Hare and what happened around that case, over decades and to this day, her killer protected by our current government, even though he admits what he did and his excuse has been proven to be a lie. Cheers 👍🏾
The 'Troubles' started in 1969, no matter what the BBC says. As for being started, they were actually the culmination of decades of Republican violence campaigns began in the 1920's.
Magee says if Irish nationalists had the power they wouldn't have "had to engage in armed struggle". I would say they totally have and had the power. There is a hugely powerful Irish-American community. In 1985 that powerful community forced Maggie thatcher, the woman he tried to kill into signing the anglo-irish agreement. It wasn't the British forcing agreements on the Irish government but the other way around. It was nationalists who had the most power!
@@kevinmcnally8398 The British government controlled the security forces but not the courts. The IRA was being funded and armed by extremely powerful and rich people in the most powerful country in the world , the United States.
@@jonoessex They were being funded by a bunch of dudes in Boston and Chicago bars, hardly the "rich and powerful". Their biggest funding came from Gaddafi.
@@Stevenbfg No NORAID was the main funding organisation with chapters all across the USA. Probably being given money by extremely rich Irish-Americans.
Perhaps in years to come James OBrien and Nigel Farage will appear together on a podcast talking about how, despite the odds, they came to love one another.
I'm surprised by all the moist reaction to this. It's not that long ago. Do any of the people who are wet behind the ears want to go there? Do they even have a clue what it was or what it meant? Careful what you wish for, as any Irish republican would tell you.
@@danielwebb8402 fair comment but you earn no credit for navel gazing. Your comment doesn't acknowledge the context of british occupation of Ireland and its inevitable consequences
Patrick Magee is a wise chap and amazing the way he shed light on the struggle in Ireland since the 60s ... Not sure who Owen is but your questioning for the last 20 minutes seemed a tad repetitive ..showed your naivety/privilege a bit there Great show on the whole 😉
Having unrepentant bombers on your show like this practically boasting about what he did and justifying it will be extremely triggering to many victims. Please at least put a trigger warning on this video.
i always find it weird when i talk to some one from England and they only have a very selective view of the trouble and that was the ira started it and they keep perpetuating it and its weird how england has a very selective view on the history of there colonies and the violence both sides were equaly grows and devastating love derry
Imagine being so ridiculous that even the Guardian cancels you!! Owen Jones confirming he had his 15 mins of 'fame' (like all petulant children crave) and is now completely irrelevant in Britain. 🤣👋
@@OwenJonesTalks they ended your guardian TH-cam channel because you became irrelevant. but oh dear Owen, responding to trolls. Baited your fragile ego 🤣🤣
Whether you agree it should of or not. The fact Corbyn placed a moral equivalence on UK soldiers and IRA terrorists cost Labour several percentage points. It's not about "wrapping yourself in the flag". It's a hygiene factor. So not sure you should have done this interview from a moral point of view (personally), or a political one if you want people to vote Labour (which I think is the number 1 goal of this channel).
The British Army was reportedly using terror too at the time (FRG was an example, as were snatch squads). Of course, that doesn't matter to flag-waving, monarchy-devoted fanboys and fangirls of the military. Hygiene is distancing yourself from violence, incl. state violence. Considering moral equivalence is relevant to that effort.
@@ArthurKaletzky Well 80%++ of the population think differently. Think bombing hotels and shopping centres is bad. JC did place the death of a British soldier standing at a checkpoint on a random Tuesday the same as an IRA terrorist's planting a bomb. Most UK humans do not. That was worth more than 1% in the popular vote.
thanks for doing this Owen, as an 18-year-old with a northern Irish mum I think the youth in Britain have no understanding about how devastating the troubles were for both sides. the northern Ireland I visit now is nothing like the northern Ireland my mum grew up in thanks to dialogue and forgiveness.
A brilliant piece. I was 6 in 1968, at the time of the Civil Rights Marches and remember the 'troubles' throughout those torturous three decades of bloodshed. Well done, as always, keep these interviews going!
Stephen
Macclesfield.
Ireland*
This was in my view a very important interview very sensitively handled by Owen. The content you are putting out Owen is incredible. It is an important reminder of the pain that must be avoided.
Hear, Hear...
Respect to Owen for this. No doubt the Tory press will “cancel” him for it.
@@thomasb4152 Lol I don't think you know what the left is
@@e-cavalier2739 what is cancelling? Can you define it?
Owen gets cancelled at least once a week by the right... so nothing new
@@e-cavalier2739 but how do they "get people fired". If an employer thinks their business would run better by firing a certain employee that's just free market capitalism.
@@e-cavalier2739 pardon my ignorance, but what is "victim firing"? I'm not clear on some of these terms. I assumed these people were fired because their employer felt they were damaging their brand and subsequently their product sales.
Not usually a massive fan of yours Owen, but majorly impressed that you have decided to undertake this interview. Much respect. Cheers
Incredible interview - I lived in the area in the 70s and felt the full pelt of the troubles in the areas mentioned. Restorative justice in action here maybe. Thank you for the interview and the chance to hear this.
This is such a great interview
Totally engrossing interview, thanks for uploading Owen.
Respect, Owen. Not just for making this happen but also for handling it with poise and tact and the correct level of questioning.
A very powerful interview.
Douglas Murray and co will have a field day with this one.
'they (British state) had all the power, all the options, and they chose violence'. This applies so well to every complaint against protests disrupting public life. If you ignore us when we use the proper channels or shut down those channels eg. Labelling activist groups as terrorists what other options are left?
Try the other option out. See where it gets you. Know what you're about, weigh your options, and then decide whether what you're about is worth drawing a whole population into.
Thanks Owen. This is so important, and it should be a TV documentary. I once saw a documentary where a German met the DDR guard who shot his father.
Great show Owen thanks
Why don't we learn this stuff at school?
Because England's dominant political movement, the Conservatives, relies on hypocrisy and lies to continue to exist and be a many-centuries foul blight on the British Isles, Europe and the world.
@@ArthurKaletzky Voilà.
Because in Britain history is very much 'selective' and controlled.
@@ArthurKaletzky Along with every other British government since the bringing of Britain.
Because it's untruthful.
A soldier, being honest about his past, his trauma etc, is a rarity. War is horror and state terrorism must be resisted but I am so glad he has found some inner peace. Not many veterans of war ever achieve that.
this is brilliant!! 👍 thanks for this beautiful interview! i'm wondering, won't we all live a better world with such intelligent and emotionally stable people like mr magee? people like him who act in the interest of all rather than their very own. people who aren't afraid to lose their whole lives to serve a better future for the mass. this all reminds me of this amazing quote by martin luther king jr: « one has not only a legal, but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. »
This should be interesting, and is a clear case in favour of restorative justice. No doubt this is going to be controversial though, but society needs people to talk about these sort of things
I’m far from getting at you but I recommend you have a look at the case of little Majella O’Hare and what happened around that case, over decades and to this day, her killer protected by our current government, even though he admits what he did and his excuse has been proven to be a lie. Cheers 👍🏾
Great stuff Owen.
What a fantastic interview. With "brexit" increasing tensions on the island the timing of this couldn't be better. Tactfully done. Thank you
Thanks Pat and Owen.Great interview.
Astonishing interview. Congratulations. Very difficult to do.
This is the sort of interview you should see on the main media platforms,if they had the balls. Well done Owen.
He has not made recourse for what he has done and anyone who seeks to portray otherwise is complicit with the lie he and so many others are peddling.
Great interveiw powerful
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Thank you Owen, objective material and captures an era of UK/Ireland very well...
Excellent interview 👏
This was outstanding, thanks Owen.
It’s important to note, as per BBC’s superb 2019 series, the troubles began in 1966 and was started by Gusty Spence’s UVF
The 'Troubles' started in 1969, no matter what the BBC says. As for being started, they were actually the culmination of decades of Republican violence campaigns began in the 1920's.
@@danthedobermann Did you even listen to this ?
@@patrickrichmond6531 yes, I did. I also lived through it.
@@danthedobermann Dia duit Agus conus a ta tu cara
@@danthedobermann deluded
Amazing interview 👏
This is incredible stuff. Big interviews! Would be huge on Netflix
We should do whatever the ira want.
We shouldn't risk lives.
ALWAYS DO AS THEY SAY!!
"Our vindication will be the laughter of our children" Bobby Sands
right
It's our revenge not our vindication
The story is well told.
Magee says if Irish nationalists had the power they wouldn't have "had to engage in armed struggle". I would say they totally have and had the power. There is a hugely powerful Irish-American community. In 1985 that powerful community forced Maggie thatcher, the woman he tried to kill into signing the anglo-irish agreement. It wasn't the British forcing agreements on the Irish government but the other way around. It was nationalists who had the most power!
Who controlled the security forces and the courts? That WAS the power!
@@kevinmcnally8398 The British government controlled the security forces but not the courts. The IRA was being funded and armed by extremely powerful and rich people in the most powerful country in the world , the United States.
@@jonoessex They were being funded by a bunch of dudes in Boston and Chicago bars, hardly the "rich and powerful". Their biggest funding came from Gaddafi.
@@Stevenbfg No NORAID was the main funding organisation with chapters all across the USA. Probably being given money by extremely rich Irish-Americans.
@@jonoessex The Brit gov didn't control the courts...you are having a Turkish mate
"And you dare to call me a terrorist
While you look down your gun"
💚✌
The fools the fools. O dononavan rossa
Perhaps in years to come James OBrien and Nigel Farage will appear together on a podcast talking about how, despite the odds, they came to love one another.
We should have an election with just these two candidates and let us see clearly Democracy speak for their man.
I'm surprised by all the moist reaction to this. It's not that long ago. Do any of the people who are wet behind the ears want to go there? Do they even have a clue what it was or what it meant? Careful what you wish for, as any Irish republican would tell you.
What astonishing beauty humanity makes.
Just a shame sometimes you have to explode other human beings en route. Still lovely nonetheless!
An attempted assassin who killed 5 people. I hope my kids don't grow up to be as beautiful a human as that.
Ignore those arses. I lived through it, treated by the state, the media the knuckle draggers on the street as an alien in my own country
@@danielwebb8402 fair comment but you earn no credit for navel gazing. Your comment doesn't acknowledge the context of british occupation of Ireland and its inevitable consequences
@@MERVILLE3 How can you call it your own country, when it's obvious your sentiments lie with those who tried to destroy it? And failed.
what a lovelly chat with a cuddly killer, well done you
A truly ghastly man still trying to justify his actions.
As bad as this period was late 60s to late 80s, it pales into insignificance compared to the oppression of the Palestinians.
Not wanting to make light of a very serious conversation but....Could Pat look anymore Northern Irish?
Did you expect him to look like a Somalian? Joking but I know what you mean
Patrick Magee is a wise chap and amazing the way he shed light on the struggle in Ireland since the 60s ...
Not sure who Owen is but your questioning for the last 20 minutes seemed a tad repetitive ..showed your naivety/privilege a bit there
Great show on the whole 😉
Lol
Having unrepentant bombers on your show like this practically boasting about what he did and justifying it will be extremely triggering to many victims. Please at least put a trigger warning on this video.
I thought that interview was very diplomatic. Imagine if he interviewed Michael Stone?
What a stupid comment and you obviously didn't listen to it.
Boo Hoo the IRA blew us up. Well when you destroy the potential of generations in a gerrymadered statelet, that is the outcome.
Cope
They lost any sympathy form me after the tower of London bomb
Missed the main target, abject failure !
woah...
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i always find it weird when i talk to some one from England and they only have a very selective view of the trouble and that was the ira started it and they keep perpetuating it and its weird how england has a very selective view on the history of there colonies and the violence both sides were equaly grows and devastating love derry
Imagine being so ridiculous that even the Guardian cancels you!! Owen Jones confirming he had his 15 mins of 'fame' (like all petulant children crave) and is now completely irrelevant in Britain. 🤣👋
Hi Luther, I still work for The Guardian, sorry!
@@OwenJonesTalks they ended your guardian TH-cam channel because you became irrelevant. but oh dear Owen, responding to trolls. Baited your fragile ego 🤣🤣
Owen Jones treating my comment like a TV interview: runs away crying when presented with facts 😭🤣
@@dr.luthersan3064 Lol the fact is he wasnt cancelled.
Whether you agree it should of or not. The fact Corbyn placed a moral equivalence on UK soldiers and IRA terrorists cost Labour several percentage points. It's not about "wrapping yourself in the flag". It's a hygiene factor.
So not sure you should have done this interview from a moral point of view (personally), or a political one if you want people to vote Labour (which I think is the number 1 goal of this channel).
The British Army was reportedly using terror too at the time (FRG was an example, as were snatch squads). Of course, that doesn't matter to flag-waving, monarchy-devoted fanboys and fangirls of the military.
Hygiene is distancing yourself from violence, incl. state violence. Considering moral equivalence is relevant to that effort.
Are you saying politicians should avoid diplomacy, engagement, truth and humanity in the pursuit of power?
"UK soldiers and IRA terrorists" you may have missed the whole point.
@@brendanlea3605 Who was it who allegedly missed the point? If it was me rather than daniel, I'm mystified. Please explain.
@@ArthurKaletzky Well 80%++ of the population think differently. Think bombing hotels and shopping centres is bad.
JC did place the death of a British soldier standing at a checkpoint on a random Tuesday the same as an IRA terrorist's planting a bomb. Most UK humans do not.
That was worth more than 1% in the popular vote.