Your Diet and Depression
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- A recent study is getting a lot of press for its results on diet and depression, and it’s a randomized controlled trial.
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This one is so hard to test because both over eating and under eating are a symptom of depression, as is a loss of motivation, so eating badly can also occur as a result of depression.
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Yes depression certainly supresses appetite for me. Always starving, never eating much
@@helenarichard same here, always feel too low and hot headed to eat
I undereat and still put on weight from lack of movement I’m assuming. Depression is so hard 😢
I wonder if just having someone care helped. Having someone explain nutrition, give recommendations, provide money and follow up. Someone cared. People respond to that.
Simply having someone appear to care is huge for boosting morale, but simply having someone care isn't enough for a person to recover. Otherwise "thoughts and prayers" would actually make a difference. Instead, they provided actionable strategies for improving health of body and mind, and encouragement. Cultivating intrinsic motivation, as one has to actually implement the strategies autonomously with a support system which is also highly correlated with chances of recovery, at least with addiction, I don't know if depression studies have examined the role of support systems in recovery success though I'm sure they have (e.g. I want to get better, I have the tools to get better, *and* other people care/are rooting for my success)
It's that guidance and continued counselling that creates the impetus for real change imo.
It absolutely helps! I have been diagnosed with severe chronic depression, and have recently been eating less and less. A close friend noticed (she's amazing) and asks me every night if I had dinner already, she doesn't push me but knowing someone cares for me that way gets me to make dinner just for her sake. It's not a solution and therapy helps me to want that for my own sake as well but without her I'd be severely under weight by now
Antidepressants are supposed to help a Depressed Person ➡️ one of the side effects is suicidal thoughts 😠
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I was homeless for 11 days last month so I was staying at a shelter. They kicked me out of bed at 6am, breakfast was at 7, lunch at 12, dinner at 6 and plain sandwiches if you need a snack. I've never felt so healthy. I've been trying to get into an eating disorder program for 2 months now because I was starving and ill in the head... but I've been focusing on eating more often and walking long distance every day for blood circulation and to make me hungry. I feel better than I have for a long time.
So do you recommend waking up early helps too?
You are on the right path, brother 👍
@@noxolosakang6547 Hi Noxolo. Yes, seems to me that waking before the sun rises stimulates my whole body and mind. Especially if I go outside and feel the cold air. Then to walk a lot during the day.
Sorry for the late reply
@@brimac58 Thankyou, man! I forgot about this event. It's a journey for sure.
The gut-brain connection is fascinating
So...raw cookie dough for breakfast ISN'T helping my depression?
Oh it is... it TOTALLY is...
Dunno about raw cookie dough helping depression, but it might help you catch salmonella!
Seriously though, please don't eat raw cookie dough if it is made with eggs. If you are 100% joking and don't actually eat raw dough, please disregard the rest of this comment. However,
You really can get salmonellosis from raw eggs, a disease that can be life-threatening, or, rarely, even lead to typhoid fever. In any case, a salmonella infection is the last thing you need when your mental health is in decline. Infection causes widespread inflammation as your immune system fights the bacterial assault.
The link/correlation between depression and inflammation is very strong. And by throwing insults at your immune system, you're riling up those macrophages, signaling to them to increase inflammation in your body, crippling your body's ability to recover from a depressive episode. So your depression lingers, delaying recovery until after the immediate threat is dealt with.
It really sucks that you're going through a hard time right now. Treat yourself kindly, and cook that cookie dough
@@alisonsheep Eggs aren't the problem in cookie dough, since they're pasteurized - the odds of getting salmonella from pasteurized eggs is next to nil. I'd be more likely to win luck for life.
It's the e. coli from the raw flour that's the concern. #donemyhomework
pyrotheevilplatypus True but my father got salmonella from raw cookie dough. Better safe than sorry. Try making it vegan
@@tigana I could never hate myself enough to do that. Ewwwww. I've tried that crap like DŌ and it was an abomination.
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Seems to me they could have improved this by providing their control group with food of their choice, non-specific consultation, and a gift card also and thereby reduced differences due to the effects of those confounding variables on the treatment group. I don't get why they didn't do that.
Why non-specific consultation in particular?
Do you mean in the control group?
I think the FINGER study has a very elegant experimental design.
For your consideration: www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422(17)30431-3/fulltext
(You can click/tap the "pdf" icon to download the fulltext, it's open access)
I still eat nutriously and I'm still depressed.
Magnesium, potassium, B vitamins, and zinc.
Significantly reduced my depression, and nearly eliminated my panic attacks.
Supplements help but getting it from food is better.
What source did you get magnesium from
@@imperialstats thankfully my body isn’t picky with that. Just the local Heath food store had what I needed.
Coming back to this comment a year later I feel I should state I’ve been doing this since 2018. In that time I’ve had maybe ~5-6 panic attacks since. 1-2 a year instead of 1 every hour, I stand by my advice a year ago. I got my life back thanks to this, and I hope it helps others.
Thank you Troa for sharing. Which foods were you eating
@Troa Barton did you take a specific type of magnesium ? And at what time ?
Nutrition is so important for depression - thanks for helping to share this message
In relation to the confounding factors - Some (maybe many) people know what to eat, but can't afford healthier food - certainly not as a staple. Healthier food also tends to not be shelf stable, meaning you have to go to the store more often, which adds other expenses as well as physical strains on some disabled folks. Poor folks can't afford to buy more expensive healthier food only to have it go bad, so buying cheaper shelf-stable stuff - or at least stuff that's frozen and will keep until they can get around to it - is what doesn't throw their money in the trash. Food pantries also provide...the calories made available to them, which are a lot of carbs and canned goods of various sorts, and they have no control over what they get, so can't improve the nutrition of what they give. They also need mostly shelf-stable supplies, or food would go bad before it even got handed out.
YES! This is such a big thing. I've definitely been there myself, or even on that borderline and not wanting to take a chance on a better but more expensive food item, because if I hate it (or can't eat it because of dietary restrictions), that's a lot more money going to waste.
just thinking about dieting makes me depressed
I've struggled with weight issues for years. I think it goes back to when I lived with my mother. Even when I was still skinny, she kept getting on my case about my appearance. One time, when I was 15 she made a comment about how I looked like I was getting cellulite on my legs. Between the age of 14 and 17, she forced me to go on a diet. Once I moved out of her house, I started eating more junk and fast food. Before long I was overweight and couldn't fit most of my clothes. I also struggled with depression and PTSD due to my traumatic upbringing.
One year, I lost 33 lbs only to gain it all back and at least six more lbs on top of that by the time I was 25. I've finally been under 170 lbs for more than three months. I'm finally learning to diet and exercise again. Hopefully, by the time I hit the big 3-0 next year I'll be well below 160.
Maintain a healthy diet for a month surely improve my depression. There is a sense of achievement that I can do this for a brighter future.
I recently attended a conference where the lead author of the SMILES trial presented her results. While her data is impressive and her methodology commendable, I still wonder if this is a correlation = causation conundrum. Very interesting! Thank you for a great video.
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i changed my diet a few years back from pizza and pasta to veggies, fish and meat, etc.(a mix of keto and paleo). after a few weeks, lets call it 2 month i noticed that my depression was practicly gone, i had it for over a decade, it felt weird. since then i also lost 50kg and am happier then ever. it still blows my mind what difference it makes to just eat veggies every day.... like holy shit batman!
@nidhi Vv i have been eating fish 2-3 days a week for 3 years now. i can not say if its the fish, the unprocessed meat or the 1kg of veggies a day that cured my depression.
lots of veggies with real meat directly from an animal or fish. its simple but it works.
@nidhi Vv only that it leaves little room for the high calorie stuff. ;)
just make sure you get a good variety so you dont get bored of it.
I'm learning to love fruits and vegetables slowly but surely. LOL 😄 It's been six months since I cooked spaghetti and about four months since I've made any Italian pasta. Funny thing is I don't even miss it! My only weakness is instant ramen. 😄
I had this EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE!!! I always just ate garbage, and then about six months ago I started eating healthy because I wanted to lose weight. And now my depression is practically gone. I’ve been struggling with this and medicated for like 10 years, and now with this diet change, I’m doing so much better!!
Careful with coffee. It blocks absorption of essential minerals you need against depression. After one coffee, I also feel miserable with nausea, which fuels my depression. Because when I feel sick, I will isolate, not feel like working,.. some foods have ruined my life this way. Worst is cow dairy, coffee, alcohol, sugar, white flour products, honey, tea, candy, cookies,fried foods, chips, chicken. I'm having arugula with tomatoes, almonds, olive oil right now. Tonight I'm making walnut pesto with whole grain pasta. It doesn't have to be hard
The results were significant but were measures given to show how great of a decrease in depressive symptoms there were?
Can you put links to the research in the description section?
You can find the description of the diet in the PDF here: dro.deakin.edu.au/view/DU:30096024 starting around page 5.
As someone who has spent a lot of time tuning their diet to avoid depression, I feel the most important features are that it's high fat, high fibre, includes leafy greens and mostly avoids simple carbs (white bread, noodles, rice, potatoes, sugar, etc.). This diet is a big step in the right direction, if you can stick to it.
The only things I would change are: allow unlimited fish, eggs and poultry, because they're harmless as long as you don't already have a cholesterol problem and you keep up the other parts of the diet, and allow fruits to be substituted with vegetables, because most fruits are mostly sugar and hold almost no nutritional value.
I wonder if getting free advice, food, and gift card reimbursement helped with depression too. 😅 OH he did say that just as I was typing this.
take that capitalism
@julsca eventually socialism will have you feeling just as depressed once the money runs out and they have no more money to distribute to everyone . Hence why socialism eventually turns to communism because when the money runs out the people in control start rationing foods and goods . Sooo you decide which is better socialism or capitalism where anyone has the opportunity to make 100 k or more if they work their butt off for it ... oops did I say something that’s true ? Yes I think so 🙊🙊
Making a positive choice and taking control of your diet can only be a good thing for ones psyche.
Yeah I dunno about this one. Typically people eat worse because they’re depressed, not the other way around. And while eating better could go some way to help that, I’m also pretty certain that, like you said, not having to worry about grocery bills, having some extra money in your pocket, and/or actually having people care about your wellbeing (even if only for the sake of a study) are much more effective at alleviating depressive symptoms
sure!
they didn't claim diet is the cause of major factor, tho.
Just trying to see if some improvements can be made.
Conclusions about social impact is also important part - if it's seen from different angle treating can shift from _what individual can do for themselves_ to _what society can do to help_ (cough - socialized healthcare - cough, other reforms)
Yes when eat poorly especially all your life you don't realize how it makes you feel, when I stop eating so poorly I didn't when realize how it was effecting my brain. I was never interested dieting yeah slight over weight/normal weight but anyways diet culture is too focused now losing weight or getting the perfect body.
I never knew way I felt and brain was being effected by the eat. I just assumed this just the way I was. Now will says it's magic cure no absolutely not. But don't think it's massive coincidence that people feel depressive symptoms.
Look up "feedback loop".
Technically deficiency in certain vitamins, fats and minerals can reduce your neurotransmitters aka the things that give your brain that happy vibe. So diet definitely effects the brain. Then you get depressed and have even less of an interest in food. It’s a bad chain of events.
Does it matter if it's the placebo effect in this case? If eating better improves depression only because you believe it will, it's still working. And as long as you don't have other issues that require a special diet, eating a varied diet full of fruits and vegetables is always a good thing
I wonder if there's any link with the psychological effects of eating food that's perceived to be unhealthy. Many of us are familiar with the feeling of guilt we get from "giving in" to food cravings for foods high in fat and sugar. I wonder if that might make depressive symptoms worse. In which case, it's not a physiological effect of better nutrition, but a psychological effect of less guilt from eating "bad" food.
The inclusion of spices also seems interesting, I expect some of the diets these people were on might have been quite monotonous, perhaps down to lack of motivation due to depression. I also wonder if a diet that has more diverse flavours could improve mood as well.
It's going to be interesting to see if either of these have any influence along with a better intake of nutrients.
Ralphie Raccoon mmmmm sugar is very very bad for our bodies so I would say removing that would help at least 20% alone. I’m sure there is a mental part to it too BUT there is a mental part to everything
Agree ! @Gina everything is mind body and soul . It’s all connected whether people want to believe it or not . If your mind is off everything else will follow suit . I believe starting with wanting to get better is the first step then diet and then everything else follows because to eat better you have to want to eat better .
Yeah. I know when I'm in the throes of the worst parts of my depression, I just can't wait to cook a healthy meal instead of making something quick and easy that will get some calories in me.
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I recommend watching channels like Binging With Babish or Alex (A French Guy Cooking). They have a way of showing how fun cooking can be. I also recommend stews. They're a great way to eat healthy food without too much effort.
I totally just microwave a sweet potato and eat it in bed when I'm depressed. For me I survived on boiled eggs, pre washed/cut spinach, microwave oatmeal, canned beans, bananas, avocado, sweet potato, rice and whatever I batched cooked in a slow cooker and froze on my less shit days. It's tough. Also throwing whatever is in my fridge into a pot and making it into a soup/stew, kept the house warmer too since I was always cold.
@@TomatoBreadOrgasm Fun is irrelevant. If I don't have the mental or physical energy to cook, it's not gonna happen. Even stews take prep work that's exhausting-to-painful (for me), so that threshold of "too much" effort varies widely based on a lot of factors.
Agree, when I’m in a bad state instant noodles can be hard enough. Liked some of the commenter above’s healthy food suggestions though. I’ve definitely survived on microwave oats, overnight oats etc. before.
I now keep frozen veg, microwave brown rice and tins of tuna on hand just in case.
Even if the diet correlation is true, the cause and effect is kinda murky. I feel better when I’m eating well, but when I start going down, my diet tends to suffer - are the diet changes making it worse or is my depression resulting in a poorer diet? Also, even if I am eating healthy (when I have help) it doesn’t magically make my depression better. All anicdotal, I know, but worth thinking about.
We know from experiments on prisoners that things like niacin can impact mental health. So we know that, at least in some cases, diet can effect mental health. We also know that some vitiman deficiencies can lead to depression (specifically a tryptophan deficiency), so I guess the question is under what specific conditions does diet impact mental health?
Where do one get tryptophan vitamin? Please help anyone
@@noxolosakang6547 You can get 5-hydroxitryptophan over the counter at most health good stores, but you're probably getting enough tryptophan in your diet.
If you are living with depression, or know someone who is, I would recommend seeing a therapist and maybe going for a run regularly (cardio effectively treats "mild-to-moderate" depression). Also, make sure you're getting enough sleep. Too much or not enough sleep can also impact depression.
I'm currently seeing a therapist for general anxiety disorder. There is no shame in seeing a therapist. If you live in a country where that isn't possible, there are online support groups where you can talk to people.
I wonder if the change in eating improved depression and not the healthiness of the food itself.
Could you weigh in on kids and screen time and the general state of the research? Seems like every study released gets headlines, but when I look at them they're based on like surveys of 50 kids... I need solid stuff!
This is a great suggestion! We'll add it to the list.
I spent the last year as a vegetarian. I am the most depressed I've ever been in my entire life.
For me issue was that when I was a vegetarian and started to get seasonal colds, as I do every year, my nutrition was not enough for me anymore, so I went back to eating meat sometimes, even though I never liked it
Similar experience. After 5 years I decided it was enough.
Since you can't double-blind the study, could you beat the placebo effect by varying explanation of the suggested outcome of the study. You're looking for change in mood, but tell half the participants you're trying verify that the new diet makes them feel worse, and the other half that you expect it to make them feel better. Then maybe you can separate the power of suggestion from the power of nutrition.
2:55 Don't know if it was a sarcasm!
No sarcasm! Just true wonder!
please link to the study
Here you go! journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?type=printable&id=10.1371/journal.pone.0222768
THIS GUY GIVES ME A HEADACHE 😂 NEXT VIDEO
Howcome the study claims it tracks depressive symptoms but only actually covers mood - arguably the least destructive of MDD symptoms? I thought we know depression isn't just 1960's "hysterical" rebranded...
So my dislike of fruits and vegetables is why I'm so ugly? I've tried to find vegetables that I like, but unfortunately I've only found a few and only prepared in very specific ways
quit sweet food and watch ur tastebuds return normal
@@azad-4286 it's a texture thing
camcat26 eat it raw
@@azad-4286 Even worse. Believe me, I've tried very hard to like vegetables
camcat26 have you tried rectally inserting them
In other news, doing things that aim to make you feel better about yourself just might help you feel a little bit less bad about yourself.
Nutrition and exercise are great and all, don't get me wrong - but some types of depressive states just shift to a new form when changing such things.
Try finding what works for YOU. It'll take time, and might seem odd to others - but whatever works to better your overall mood is what I see as right
Anecdotal evidence: my diet is garbage, but staying on my medication consistently and seeing my therapist regularly has helped my depression a lot.
Also, the circumstances and situations in my life being less shitty has probably helped.
Is it bad that we get hyped over RCT’s?
If it's bad, we don't wanna be good.
everything is mind body and soul . It’s all connected whether people want to believe it or not . If your mind is off everything else will follow suit . I believe starting with wanting to get better is the first step then diet and then everything else follows because to eat better you have to want to eat better . Ever wake up and feel tired of being tired ? Tired of being depressed or anxious ? At that moment you should follow your intuition and start trying to make changes . Positive ones . Eating well is one of them . The moment you are tired of being tired is the moment your soul is telling you it needs better . Better mindset (mind), better nutrients and healthy food (body) and that will make the soul eventually feel better . It’s all connected and if you are disconnected in one or the other I believe that is where depression starts to take over . Don’t ignore your intuition . Don’t keep binge watching tv even though your soul is telling it’s had enough . At that point turn off the tv go for a walk . Breathe in deeper . Listen to your body for what it’s asking you . Give it its nutrients ! If you ignore it that is how depression manifests . Remember you can do anything in your life ! Anythinggg you want to .
insightful...Thanks
can you just make me a menu and i'll learn to cook that lol
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I have a Mediterranean diet, and have for most of my life. I eat mainly vegetables, pasta, fish-very little red meat and almost no simple carbs (this because that's what I enjoy, I'm no health freak). However, my depression has been life-long, a childhood problem, and it took a few dozen zaps to the brain to get it under enough control to keep me alive. True, a lithium prescription caused me to gain a huge amount of weight in 3 months (thanks, phychiatrists!), and I don't exercise nearly as much as I should, but I think the researchers were right to note that clinical depression is a different beast entirely.
@David Edward
Check out The LCHF diet or Carnivore diet and see Dr Boz on her Dr Boz ratio ( a simplification of the GKI ratio)
GKI ( Glucose- Ketone -index ) explanation by Dr Boz with imbedded references and the Dr Boz ratio.
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@@thalesnemo2841 I will, thank you. I think the real problem, however, is that I don't have enough motivation to make exercise a daily habit. I did in high school, but it just kind of vanished.
diet change helped me get over depression. my doctor tried a bunch of different things first, including various meds, so i don't think it was plasebo.
no refined sugar no simple carbohydrates lots of veggies is what worked. plant focused but not strictly vegetarian.
i have Asperger syndrome and was having depression,migraines,seizures on the side. diet change helped the depression,migraines,seizures a lot. but obviously its complicated. i am grateful to healthcare triage for reassuring me that artificial sweeteners are ok. i use a lot of stevia.
Every time I eat a fish sandwich for McDonald’s it’s makes me happy
Eat chickpeas; be happy!
@nidhi Vv Try some hummus on some bread around 4:00 p.m. in the afternoon and see if it gives you a lift. Also try to get as much exercise as possible. Walking in morning sunshine is great. If that doesn't help, see a doctor.
Depression > poor diet > depression...
that vicious circle 🔄
yet it can do upward spiraling
#skeptimist
Also how am I going to buy good food if I have too little money? And in my country nowadays even expensive food is bad quality, cheap one is just awful
@@KateeAngel what country if you dont mind me asking?
@@cftyler5041 Russia.
Yeah, and my stipendium + salary + small amount of money mom gives me every month are together not enough to cover all my monthly expenses, even though living in a dorm costs almost nothing (5$ a month). Good we have savings.
@@cftyler5041 I live in the US and have this problem - healthier food costs more. Also doesn't keep well/as long.
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Sir. I believed to be having depression. But after watching the video, I believe to be having balls. However, I couldn't understand 90% of whatever you said.
I was a vegetarian for 5 years and I had depression. I remember the first time I returned to meat I felt euphoric and way better
I think different bodies work differently! I say this knowing a lot of very happy vegans :) Do what works best for you
@@nithya1372 ofc. Im not saying vegans will be depressed. But for me eating fish or meat just makes me feel better. I can't focus or do anything without meat. I can't eat a lot of legumes because of gout and that forced me to switch to an omnivore gluten free diet. I only buy free range certified meat. No big cruel farms
Not being responsible for the suffering and death of animals really helped with my depression. Different strokes.
@@2nd3rd1st I tried. I ate a lot of legumes and it backfired. Now I have severe gout. Basically, anything with high purines is a death sentence to me. kidney function was really affected. I wish they would create a cruel-free meat alternative like lab-made meat. But at this moment in my life, I really can't function without meat.
@@kiren3168 Yeah don't hurt yourself for moral reasons. If I start to fall apart from vegan diet I'll BBQ a pig immediately
Seeing the mainstream news have no problem lying to us and push confusion and propaganda depresses me. Seeing our own neighbors divided unvax and vax as the ones in control laugh at their new segregation gives me anxiety.
"non-clinical symptoms".... Doesn't sound serious, isn't it?
Ugh! This is hopeless
Informative content! I do believe diet also plays a part in treatment of depression. Getting nutritious food can help in recovering faster. Diet chart provided by Planet Ayurveda are also great in this context.
tERmERic turmeric. What's tumoric?
Hawthorne-Effect , not placebo effect. If you know that the food is going to have a certain effect, which makes you experience that effect, it is called Hawthorne effect.
if you were as well-informed as you're trying to seem, you'd explain the difference.