The worst part is "I don't know what to do when it's not an evil plan" sounds like it could be a weird-but-great character development moment if it was used properly
Yeah, like spending the whole episode being paranoid about it being an EVEN MORE SECRET evil plan, and causing problems for everyone in a heavily comedy focused episode, then some stunt he pulls to discover the plan accidentally hurts someone, and he's forced to confront his trauma of constantly "saving the day" and being unable to do anything else. That would have been an AMAZING way to end the story there, BECAUSE THE ENTIRE MOFFAT RUN WAS *TRYING* TO BE ABOUT HOW THE DOCTOR ISN'T SO GREAT AND A BIT OF A TOXIC INFLUENCE BY WAY OF HIS HERO/GOD COMPLEX AND HEAVY HANDED APPROACH. The dalek being there, as a positive (ish) version of his greatest old enemy would also have been a PERFECT story parallel to that, AND provide the foil to the "the doctor is dangerous" point by showing a concrete and revolutionary good thing that he did (first good-ish dalek, like true neutral dalek), AND by showing a concrete example of how LITERALLY anyone can change and be better. It basically fucking writes itself, if you DON'T ADD THE FUCKING GLASS GHOST BASTARD AND DO THE FUCKING DEAD LIBRARY THING FOR THE 10TH TIME, SUCKING ALL THE STORY OUT OF THE EPISODE FOR AN UNEARNED REUNION PAYOFF, AND LIKE ONE FUCKING "I'm descended from so and so" REFERENCE.
Several of the Doctor Who audio plays have this twist and they are all fantastic because they are able to extract good drama or character moments in the process of getting there.
It could've been SO good. It could delve into the Doctor having a hero complex but never having that cause problems before because there always WAS an evil plan. That could've been a fantastic episode. But uh, yeah, Moffat couldn't have pulled that off lmao
Because of this guy it’s pretty much become a hobby of mine to watch long videos on why people hate something and it’s usually something ive never even watched/played. I think i have a problem.
@@Viwer_____ I enjoy that too, and seeing how people critique things I don't already have strong feelings about lets me focus on the criticism and how to do it better. It helps my writing.
24:03 "British TV is a small room with 12 people working on 5 shows" You say, playing clips from Broadchurch, as I recognize that woman who is in every Mitchell and Webb show sitting next to Tennant.
Torchwood: Children of Earth had Peter Capaldi NOT as the 12th Doctor, ...and the military guy from Under the Lake's actor (doing a terrible American accent, by the way), ...and Under the Lake had the same actor as the mentally broken abusive mother from Orphan 55 (but other than that basically the same character)!
I always see some people say this. Yet series 9 is regarded as the best revival series by actual professional critics not a random youtuber and he has many of the highest acclaimed episodes in the revival. RTD nostalgia blindness is something else.
@@jordanfitzgerald7886Yeah man it was so good it lost all the ratings and they had to repilot for the next season. I mean come on mate, Heaven Sent is alright but the rest of the series is mid at best.
I like the "oh, it's not an evil plan" line and idea. I wouldn't change it, I'd add a B-plot that takes prominence after that point. Finding out that you're too used to conflict and can't deal with the lack of it is a good concept, but it's way harder to write than evil guy has evil plan with a fatal flaw to fix everything.
It could have also leaned in more with the Christmas Truce. The Day The Doctor didn’t have to fight. Where he can just stop and rest before his regeneration. Maybe talk with the First about mortality and the end, which could also link to the First World War. Get some character development there.
It's a really clever idea, except I suppose it's hard to execute properly without the audience feeling it's anticlimatic. Firewatch's ending is controversial for the same reason.
I was especially frustrated with his lazy use of the previous Doctor to make some point about sexism and how society is so much more progressive now. Doctor Who has actually pretty much always been ahead of the times, which female companions often being smart and capable people in their own right. To have the first Doctor suggest that Bill was only there to clean up was a disservice to earlier versions of the show.
Including the first Doctor's run. While the early series had some casually misogynist elements to them on occaision, they hardly if ever entered the Doctor's choice of words or sentiment.
I mean, it's kind of mentioned in an above comment, but the show runner was a woman named Verity Lambert who didn't agree to work on the show until she was told that she'd be the head producer instead of an assistant, and who was described as being full of 'piss and vinegar'. Having seen/read the transcripts for all of the First Doctor episodes, and knowing that this show was jumpstarted by a woman who was in charge for most of the First Doctor's runtime, I have to say that this is wildly out of character for the First doctor, and I doubt that it would've ever been approved.
@@morinomajou in-universe, the Doctor at the time was saying "Red Indians" had "savage minds". The Doctor and the Time Lords have never made sense as truly alien beings, only as outgrowths of human culture. This plot thread is commenting on the show's history, not the "coherent universe" Doctor Who was never supposed to have anyway
The worst case of a Moffat metaplot ruining individual episodes is the latter half of series 6. Amy and Rory should be traumatized that they are never going to have a normal relationship with their daughter, but instead it's onto the next thing. It's particularly noticeable in The Girl Who Waited where every other aspect of their relationship gets dissected ad nauseum but the daughter is barely mentioned.
Um also Rory remembers living for thousands of years as an immortal robot and yet is the same beta toolbag he always was. Or how about when Amy became a cunt because she wanted Rory to leave her rather than HAVE A SIMPLE CONVERSATION ABOUT ADOPTION!? Or, and this is by far the worst offense, how about how River spent so much time with the Doctor that she knew better than him how to run the Tardis, but after she gave up her ability to regenerate to save The Doctor you almost never saw her again?
That's actually where I quit watching Doctor Who. Traumatize the characters severely enough, and I'm out. It's only happened twice, with Amy and Rory and again with Once Upon a Time. I was done watching them abuse Regina by the end of Season 5. There's a point at which the amount of trauma the characters have gone through makes me too angry with the writers to move on.
The fourth good idea that Moffat ever had was the "girl Doctor meets has to live through history instead of traveling through it" (see: Madame de Pompadour, Amy Pond, River Song, that fanfiction he wrote when he was like 12). And he kept going back to it OVER AND OVER AND OVER because he thinks that "person who meets the Doctor intermittently but is still obsessed with him for some reason" is an interesting character trait.
Because by default, I guess, the Doctor is "The Most Interesting Man in The World", even though it's kinda more his tech and the context of his existence that is so interesting, he himself behaves pretty normally.
I recently rewatched the Madame de Pompadour episode and I still like the episode, but I couldn't help but notice the parallels to Amy Pond, River Song, Clara, etc. Glad I wasn't the only one to notice that.
What I love is how in the "Into the Dalek" episode the line "I am not a good Dalek, you are a good Dalek." was supposed to be, if anythings was, the point at which some character development happens, that the Dr has an epiphany or reflects or learns something. The fact they used the exact same line in the xmas episode seems like a tacit admission that absolutely none of that development had happened, its remarkable. Also that speech at the end was clearly moffat talking to moffat about how great moffat was.
All it made me think (didn't bother watching the xmas special I'm talking about the actual episode where the dalek is introduced) was that Moffat had overseen a regression of the Doctor's character growth during the Eccleston and Tennant years, because it felt like a hollow version of Eccleston's "Dalek".
If I had a nickle for every time Tennent managed to duplicate during regeneration and then go live with his companion, I'd have two nickles but it's weird that it happened twice
"If I had a -nickle- _nickel_ for every time Tennent managed to duplicate himself during regeneration and then go live with his companion, I'd have two -nickles- nickels, *which isn't a lot,* but it's weird that it happened twice."
@@Crowbars2 "If I had a nickle nickel for every time Tennent managed to duplicate himself during regeneration and then go live with his companion, I'd have two nickles nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice, right?"*
It is VERY weird and I have to wonder why this decision was made. Having a mini-season of Doctor/Donna before rolling out Ncuti Gatwa already undermines the new Doctor because he's being compared to what RTD and others consider the best of the show. And it kinda signals a lack of faith in Ncuti Gatwa by telling the audience that Davies has a spare Doctor in his pocket in case Gatwa doesn't work out. I don't know if these decisions were made with the intent of undermining Gatwa, but people like Davies need to be conscious of what people might reasonably THINK he's doing even when it's not his true intention. I have to say that it did make me less interested in the new season, and I haven't watched it yet.
@@MichaelM28 only real morons can't accept others opinions. I never liked Dr. Who. I tried several of them, old ones, new ones, damn I tried really hard, mainly because of my twin sister, but it's just not my cup of tea and sometimes, even those fan-favorite episodes bored the hell out of me (while being much bigger fan of science fiction then she ever be). So, just because I don't like it, I should simply call every fan of is as moron, right? Is that your logic?
I really don't mind the idea of an episode of Doctor Who that doesn't have an evil plan in it, and the Doctor sort of winking towards the structure of the show being subverted, but this was not a good execution on that idea.
EnemyViolent Gaming Yeah I agree! That could have been a really interesting idea with the doctor learning to be less cynical but the episode seemed to be like "oh well no evil plan so better go do something else now"
+Matt, I wouldn't say that it's the equivalent to The Empty Child because if the Doctor hadn't intervened, the world would be full of gas-mask-zombies. I'd say it's closer to "In the forest of the night" Also for the record, I quite liked this episode.
Yeah, which is why it was done well. The argument is for the "no evil plan" thing, not having no stakes. There being an antagonist, and high stakes, despite there being "no evil plan" is why the episode was good.
With hindsight, we now know Moffat intended to finish his run with the last episode of the season, but Chibnall didn't want to start with a Xmas special so Moffat reluctantly agreed to do one more episode, because he believed that Xmas slot was too important to the show to lose.
@@mysteriouslyseeing you're both equating things the BBC decided to either showrunner. The BBC decided to move the Who special to new years instead of Christmas & the BBC wanted a Moffat Christmas special. Also: Hbomb, Chibnall wasn't showrunner of Torchwood, RTD was. Chibnall just wrote the most episodes
I still really wish we'd gotten more than one season of Christopher Eccleston. He is certainly my favorite of the revival doctors, but that may be more because of the writing, obviously. Also, extra props to Eccleston for declining to be 50th anniversary episode after discussing it with Moffat.
They never published reasons. Probably because Eccleston still wanted to get work from the BBC in the future. Same about how he didn't really comment much about why he only did one season of Doctor Who.
I heard Ecclestone wanted a specific director to direct the 50th, but Moffat wouldn't budge so Ecclestone declined. I believe Ecclestone quit Doctor Who in the first place because he had some issues with how the show was produced, too. I only remember these reasons vaguely, but I'm pretty sure there were articles about it that I read at some point.
I heard Eccleston left because he disapproved of how upper management was treating the employees below them. I don't think he ever elaborated on which employees these were, but it sounded to me like the lower employees were being treated like trash and he didn't want to work for people like that.
I'm amused by the irony of Moffat making jokes about '60s sexism, when we're talking about a show that, in 1963, was produced by a young Jewish woman (Verity Lambert) who was the only female producer in the BBC, and three years later hired a noted scientist and outspoken feminist as a script editor and writer (Kit Pedler who co-created the Cybermen). Doctor Who was built by progressives, radicals even, but it's become lazy reactionary sludge. Still if Moffat's gone, maybe it'll be watchable again? Maybe?
Eh, the tragedy of becoming the new status quo, therefore reactionaries can like it and attempt to revision the OG series as less progressive than it was.
@@giuwahdangelo102 same, I think what it was is that WHO's christmas specials aren't part of its regular season, so for a while they just didnt air 'em. One year, i think it was the "christmas carol" year, they marathoned all the christmas eps they'd missed haha.
I thought that the story was going to be how the Doctor was weary of living and losing friends and just wanted to die, but has an adventure with his younger self that reinvigorates himself. Apparently that would have been too good of a story to tell.
Yeah, it could have been a significant and emotional journey for the Doctor's character. I guess Moffat thought that too, seeing as he hates significant and emotional journeys for the Doctor's character.
Late reply, but that concept is perfect for a Doctor resurrection. Him turning into a she could've easily been explained at the end of the episode as him wanting to start again "with a new perspective"
One of my least favorite things about Moffat was how he always backpedaled on events with tangible consequences, which is why I was so pleasantly surprised at the end of series 9 when The Doctor lost all his memories of Clara and Moffat didn't instantly try to reverse it. GOOD THING WE STILL HAVE THAT INNIT
ChardBotham Its actually amazing that he systematically went and reversed literally everything about series 9, making the last arc 100% pointless with no growth or consequences from any of the characters, and lessening the impact of Face the Raven and Heaven Sent.
I liked the time war when it was a mystery. Big things like that work best when you don't know what they are but you feel their presence. But with Moffat there was a new ""mysterious"" phrasey thing every season and had to get resolved in the end. God, how I *hate* those phrases.
@@mkratos17 I keep waiting to get back into the show. I figure that if I never saw the pre-revival stuff and managed to absorb the lore and story, I can skip the bad stuff and be fine. Is it good yet? Have they finally learned to hire good writers??
The Ship Towers can be heading towards a sun as part of the evil plot by an American named Bush and saved by a Muslim woman named Sarsour to hammer down the reference in case someone doesn’t get something that’s being shown. I’m not being sarcastic if you’re wondering and would watch it.
See the weird thing is I also had a 'where's Amy Pond?" reaction to when the Doctor was saying good bye to people in this episode, but then i realised of course she wouldn't be in this episode because Capaldi's Doctor never even met her, she was only around during Matt Smith's era, and Matt Smith's doctor said goodbye to her (in a weird hallucination type way) when he was dying. There's literally no reason for her to be in this episode even if Karen Gillan wasn't doing Marvel movies.
@@BarioIDL Can't remember who said it (probably maybe even Hbomb) Moffat is a great at writing short episodes/ 2 episode story arcs but is bad at writing full season arcs. Although with that said I do wonder what people think of Matt smith's first season's story. I actually really liked that overall.
I don’t think anyone would call Moffat the worst, he’s good as long as you have someone nearby to hit him with a wiffle bat every time he does something dumb
It's ironic that when he is running around inside rusty trying to fix him, he ends up totally breaking him. Really ties in well with the whole metaphor of Moffat running doctor who.
Cardboard-Box Games that’s incredibly offensive. Both you and @hbomberguy have gone too far by saying he didn’t try anything himself and instead ruined russel t Davis’ work. How would you like it if you ran your favorite show in the whole world but you include some minor callbacks to the previous persons work but everyone accuses you of just attempting to improve but ruining it. I’m sorry but anybody hates Moffat then they hate doctor who because he gave us more doctor who than anyone and if you feel this way then you should never have fucking watched his era or the show as a whole.
Just Another Shitposting Loser fuck you at least I haven’t been brainwashed into changing my opinion because of some prick who thinks everyone else’s opinion is wrong because he hates somebody for no fucking reason.
FRÆSER James Wow, you really must be an idiot if you genuinely think that if you don’t like one iteration of a show then you can’t watch ANY of it. I’m not going to completely drop a show because i hate one season, that would be stupid. Also, if you think he’s wrong, use your brain and rebuke his arguments instead of saying “he’s wrong” and expecting us to take you seriously.
I can never forgive your besmirching of all my favorite Tennant Christmas specials XD You act like a sword fight in your pajamas on an alien spaceship culminating in the loss of a hand which later becomes a cloned version of yourself who gets to live in a parallel universe with your former lover...is a bad thing. I think it's A+ storytelling. I also unironically love that the Doctor does almost nothing in that episode and we just get to hang out with Rose's mom trying to deal with crazy alien shit. Edit: I somehow misspelled Tennant :p
That is a great moment, and it would've been one of the best christmas specials of all time if it weren't for the fact that the rest of the episode is just "Let's try to fill time, then have the Doctor wake up and defeat the Baddies after sleeping the whole episode"
@@agushernandez6083 for real though! Like its so bad, but anything with Tennet is fabulous and who doesn't want to hang out with Rose's mum?! "Is that the only thing that grows back" is one of the greatest lines in cinematic history and I will die on this hill :P
When they used to reference the past incarnations of the Doctor it used to be really cool but now they use it as a crutch and my eyes roll whenever they do it.
Remember in the Next Doctor where they read the datacore and it shows all the faces of the Doctor? I remember reading Dr Who Magazine at the time and then saying that it was a very special thing and a real hassle to get all the faces together - they weren't even sure if they could get the rights to the Dr Who movie (for Paul McGann footage). Now Moffat has ruined any strengths of that plot device via oversaturation - it's all part of his continuous problem of deifying his protagonists and telling, not showing, about their complexity and power as characters.
I think they're leaning too hard on the elderly Doctors as well, maybe out of fear those actors might die before they can be milked for merchandise and profits like the modern youthful Doctors.
Flimpeen Flarmpoon I really, really wish I could say I disagree - and I think only a year or so ago, I would have and likely been butthurt about this comment - but even as someone who generally found the Moffat era decent, I have to admit this "tired, eye rolling" feeling being more common for me (and I liked this season!) I'm not happy Moffat is gone because I think Moffat is the devil or anything, I'm happy because I think a change in direction (both in the existential sense and occupational one) is a long time overdue for The Doctor.
Now that you bring it up, it is weird that that lesbian couple where one of them is a dinosaur woman and their alien butler (I'm not a 'names' person) didnt show up. Those are the only characters I'd call actually memorable from his run. I mean I guess there's River Song. I'm genuinely surprised he had the self control to leave well enough alone with her.
@@sprotte6665 (4 years late I know) I mean...kinda? Not counting villains, I don't think there's an Eccleston character that both survived AND didn't also meed Tennant. Harriet Jones died, the whole Tyler family met Ten, Jack Harkness hitched a ride on the TARDIS with Tennant again...I don't think there really were any uniquely Eccleston folks left at this point. Unless you count "Weird dude who showed up in the very first episode with pictures of the Doctor".
I love that in your joke about Moffat having 4 good ideas that he just ran into the ground, you included River Song. It's not even his idea - the man has an obsession with the Time Traveller's Wife. His S2 episode The Girl in the Fireplace is clearly inspired by it. River is even more directly inspired by it, and he was the executive producer/writer for the 2022 TV adaptation. King of running other people's ideas into the ground, too (cough Sherlock cough).
Pretty much every idea has been done before - don't think you can criticise him for getting inspiration from other places. He definitely didn't come up with the idea of "database that stores dead people either", but he implemented both of these ideas into Doctor Who in a way that made them work, to which I think he deserves plenty of credit.
@@archiegrishipolYeah I don't understand this criticism at all, I brought up this discussion with my partner, and she pointed out if you never were allowed to make something that was based on something, we wouldn't have the lion King, we wouldn't have West side story, we wouldn't have Aladdin, we wouldn't have A lot of stuff. I also laugh Thinking all these people criticising that other people can't write original ideas have never written an original idea in their life.
I guarantee that Moffat thought up the line "It's not an evil plan! I don't really know what to do when it isn't an evil plan." and then wrote the ENTIRE FULL-LENGTH EPISODE around the line. Which is actually a really great encapsulation of why Moffat made a great stand-alone episode writer and a terrible showrunner - he came up with what's actually an excellent line to build a 7-minute Children in Need special mini episode around, and then wasted a full Christmas special on it instead. His ego constantly writes checks his talent can't cash.
literally he just needed a filler episode for christmas, and he just needed to write something passable so chibnall can finally take over. because chibnall didn’t want to start on a christmas episode.
The whole thing with the first doctor was a wasted opportunity in general, it's blatently obvious he was only there as the shock cliffhanger for the end of the series, as he spends the rest of the time pottering around saying sexist comments and picking things up to stare at. Also the whole thing about the first doctor choosing to die was stupid, he knows he doesn't as he's with his 12th incarnation for the entire episode and if he does, it would create a paradox.
Guru Larry watches H bomb? Mind blown! Hi Larry, I liked your Christmas speech. You should do a thing on psygnosis. Specifically overboard, one of the best multiplayer pirate games of the 90s. (I think it was them wot dun it) Would make sense since pirates are coming back to video games in a big way! 😘
+Furious George Dude, H bom was even a guest voice in one of my videos last year :D I literally just bought Overboard a few weeks ago funilly enough, had a demo of it and played it a ton back in the day, but strangely never bought it. But if I can find an interesting thing about them and the game, absolutely!
I can think of some characters from Moffat's run who he could have brought back for his final episode. Vastra, Jenny, and Strax. Y'know, those three funny and interesting characters who did cool crimefighting stuff in Victorian London. Who were major supporting characters for pretty much all of Matt Smith's tenure. Who got an episode all to themselves which was basically just a backdoor pilot for their own spinoff series that never happened. Who appeared in *one* episode of Series 8, in 2014, and have never been so much as mentioned since then. Just saying, it would have maybe been neat to see them again.
@@vitraartist2622 They were in Victorian London. They would be dead by now. In fact, the Doctor's a time traveller, everyone's dead by now. Even the ones who're alive.
TNG is way better than any season of who. But it will always have less time-traveling dudes exploding into different time-traveling dudes. Or women, apparently.
@@Davesknd Ferengi are supposed to backwards, as opposed to humans, it's meant to show how ridiculous we are in real life in the here and now. They were specifically based on Yankee traders early on, but evolved more with the characters Quark. Although, TNG's Ferengi are hugely under-developed, but usually any alien species with 'backwards' (from the perspective of the Federation) cultural ideas/practices are meant to be a critique of something IRL humans are doing/believing. This gets more fleshed out in DS9, however. Funnily enough, as ruthless as Ferengi capitalism is, Quark often (correctly) points out that humans used to be far worse than the Ferengi are in the 24th century. One of my favourite scenes in all of Star Trek is the one where Quark gives Garak (a Cardassian) some root beer and they compare it to the Federation, "...bubbly and cloying... and happy [...]" th-cam.com/video/4hdiuRMK3UQ/w-d-xo.html
tbf they just kinda appeared out of nowhere in the first place too. feels right that they should just vanish in exactly the same way, like a lot of Moffat's undeveloped side characters
Confirmed in a charity special where Olivia "I'm in everything" Colman was asked, "are you going to be in it?" and she casually said, "ofc! I'm in everything."
Kinda funny, BBC makes people pay to have TV at all but gives their shows such low budgets, meanwhile over here we pay for Netflix and get shows that feel high budget even when they aren't.
My theory for 90% of your questions is "Moffat has been told ha has no idea how continuity works, and he thinks throwing references at the wall like a caffeinated monkey means continuity"
The first Doctor was sexist due to being written in the 60s though. Maybe not quite as bad as Moffat made him out to be, but still sexist. Though I would agree that retconning the sexism out might've been better, as arguably whenever the Doctor was sexist it was out of character. After all, time lords are "billions of years beyond your petty human obsession with gender and its associated stereotypes."
the line about spanking was a line from the show though. it’s something hartnell actually said tho lol which is a bit cheeky of them to include. hartnell isn’t defined by these things and yet does include these lines.
I wasn't on the hate train against Steven Moffat, but I did miss how RTD managed to create a world that felt persistent. While I enjoyed some of the stories from Moffat, it always felt like the world revolved around the Doctor. I don't really know how to explain it properly, but hopefully you know what I mean.
Small universe problem. I agree m RTD managed to create a world where the doctor was important but not the single most important being in existence. It still felt like other stuff went on when he wasn't around.
HBomberguy (2018): "This year might prove to be the last bad [holiday special of] Doctor Who because Moffat is retiring." Chris Chibnall: "Hold my crack pipe."
As if. He used to eat lots of overly processed shit. Now he's eating overly processed shit that is soy based. I have no idea how you island people survive.
I feel like the whole "Oh, it isn't an evil plan" thing was an attempt to recreate the "Just this once, everybody lives" ending from the Empty Child, where it subverts your expectations with a happy ending. Not successfully, obviously, but I think that's where he was coming from.
Melissa C the thing is, with the Empty Child, the Child might not be evil, but it still was dangerous. The doctor couldn’t just ignore it, because the Gasmask-Virus could have spread and caused a horrible plague. With this, the Doctor could have not even meet this AI thing and nothing about the world would change. I feel that’s what this episode missed.
@@Quoyth Edge of Destruction. Three stories into Who's history. Just food for thought. Who can be something other than an evil plan and averting it at times.
I know that this is late and doesn't matter but it was. Several times. For example in that area of time when Clara was just showing up in history before she was a companion there was an episode where the Doctor is captured by Daleks and is forced to go kill a rogue Dalek that turned out to be Clara. I'm fairly sure they checked their database before he was shot to the planet. He also wiped himself from their database at one point. the two situations might have been connected honestly.
@@0hate9 I was pretty sure that it was established earlier. I just couldn't/can't remember when so I provided an off the top example that was before the special in question. I'm glad we can agree.
Lee Butler they were both in the same episode I think; Darlek Clara deletes him from the hive mind, so when he returns to their ship they don’t know who he is. One of the “Doctor Whooooooooooo” moments Moffat loved to chuck in 😉
"Then they decide to regenerate out of spite" I mean, of all the excuses you could have to regenerate that's one of the funniest when you put it like that
Moffat always reminded me of George Lucas- they both have the capacity to tell good stories with a decent editor, but the instant you put them in charge, everything falls apart
One good thing about Moffatt’s Doctor Who is that they finally wiped the Vaseline off the camera and replaced that awful yellow tint with actual colors.
The cinematography and direction in Moffat's run is universally excellent, which I think speaks to a big problem in that you really can't throw money at bad scripts to make them good. Sherlock was also exquisitely produced, and it didn't make the mysteries more compelling, or the characters less obnoxious.
I think part of the reason for that tint was to try to obscure the fact that even several series in the budget was pretty low. If they make EVERYTHING hazy then the cgi doesn't look so bad.
Sadly he couldn't use Clara's boyfriend in his "bring people back for the sendoff episode" thing because he already used that character in his OTHER database of everyone who's ever died. (Same problem for River).
Don't be so hard on yourself Harry. You were definitely my favorite of the classic Doctors. Do you still walk around with a leek or whatever that was in your lapel or is it a piece of tofu now?
Having watched all of the the First Doctor's stories, I'm increasingly disappointed by the portrayal of him here as a rampant sexist. He never said anything of the sort in his seasons. Also, weird opinion... but despite his best efforts, I still don't like David Bradley's portrayal of the First Doctor, but I rather preferred him playing William Hartnell in An Adventure in Space and Time, strangely enough. Nothing will replace Hartnell as the First Doctor, naturally, but Bradley still falls slightly short of the mark in terms of charm and character.
I honestly really liked his portrayal, but it definitely can't match Hartnell's take on the character. It just sucks he wasn't given anything better to work with, with all those stupid sexist remarks the character would have never said originally.
He is not sexist or misogynistic though...... in the 60's it was normal to hit boys AND girls, and naturally boys got beaten far harder and more often than girls. Plus they were often sent off to a muddy field to be beaten by tiny bits of metal fired from machine guns until they were mincemeat. And the Doctor generally only gave women the privilege of being flown around the galaxy in a time machine, and doing some light dusting is hardly asking very much in return. Even today 95% of workplace deaths are men because society allows women to do safer, more comfortable jobs. So in both cases we have female privileges being framed as patriarchal oppression of women. Also how ludicrous is it for a FUCKING TIME TRAVELLER to be locked into the social attitudes of the 1960's???? They literally forgot the Doctor is a time traveller. I swear they will forget he is a man one day....
Just want to point out that it's not entirely true that women are allowed to do safer, more comfortable jobs; it's that it's the /only/ jobs that are traditionally available to them. Rosie the Riveter only exists because factories were only willing to take women when there was a shortage of men. Not saying that, for example, the lack of acceptance of male tailors isn't bs; it very much is. But the system hurts everybody.
".. it's not entirely true that women are allowed to do safer, more comfortable jobs; it's that it's the /only/ jobs that are traditionally available to them...." Are you suggesting that throughout history if coal mining, shipyard work, ocean trawling, construction and all the other traditionally male jobs had been 'available' to women, they would have taken them? Are you suggesting women found those kinds of male gender roles preferable to their own female gender roles? "... Rosie the Riveter only exists because factories were only willing to take women when there was a shortage of men...." Precisely. The men were busy being turned into mincemeat on a muddy field. SOMEBODY had to keep the factories running. As a last resort the task was put onto women's shoulders. "... But the system hurts everybody..." Had women spent the last 5000 years doing the majority of manual labour, fighting all the wars and generally working to support men and children who got to stay at home doing domestic duties you would not be saying the system hurts everybody. You would be saying women had it rough and men definitely got the better end of the bargain.
I stopped watching the season with Bill on the "Smile" episode, because the way they structured the episode threw me into an indignant rage. So the episode is the classic "utopia gone wrong" thing, taking place on an earth colony on a foreign planet. Cool. Fine. Great. Classic sci-fi setup. However, before the opening credits even roll, the writers KILL all possible suspense by showing exactly what the threat is and EXACTLY what happened to the people on the colony. So when the Doctor and Bill get there and they're figuring out what happened, there is no element of mystery because there's nothing left for the audience to discover. We already know exactly what happened, so watching the Doctor and Bill discover it feels less like uncovering a mystery and more like a chore. We already know neither of them are going to die, so the only suspense left is the discovery of what happened to the planet. And the weirdest thing is after the credits roll, the rest of the episode plays out as though the audience wasn't just spoiled on what happened to the planet. All the little details and hints at what happened to the colonists unfold exactly like they would if you didn't already know. So it almost feels like a post-production decision, like somebody higher up thought the audience wouldn't get it if they weren't told exactly what happened at the very beginning.
I think that setup can work pretty well, otherwise Columbo wouldn't have been such a success. It's not a "What happened here?" episode, but more "How will they find out?" Also, by knowing more than the characters some situations can work better for the suspense. For example, by seeing what happened you get super tense the first time the smiling robots greet them - they are totally unaware of the danger, but YOU know these things are dangerous! I'm not saying it works great in that episode (or that this was even the intention), but it CAN work. Hitchcock talked about how you can make a scene "People sitting at table - suddenly bomb explodes" infinitely more suspenseful by showing the bomb BEFOREHAND, thus giving the audience knowledge the characters don't have. A similar thing could've been done here.
My guy, let me tell you how the writer of that episode did a shit job at literally every concept in it. Frank (what’s his last name.) took an interesting concept of emojis and communication, and the evolution of language and media in the future, something that has more nuances than just 💀 and 🙂 and did nothing but make dumb jokes about gen z with it. But it did give Bill the entrance ‘explore an alien planet’ thing as a first time companion, so that part was functional. I just wish the emoji part was used better :(
Every time I'm reminded that 'secret evil mind-control sister and the dog that got put down but was really a best friend who drowned' actually happened, it's like being non-consensually fisted in the soul.
harrysecombegroupie Also going to point out that Molly’s only character developement was her doing shit to get he attention of an absolute asshole who treated her abombitably the entire fucking time, and in the end we get no reasonable resolution for that relationship. FUCK MOFFAT
No reasonable resolution = Moffat's modus operandi. Apparently the BBC are letting him and Mark Gatiss ruin Dracula next. Is no beloved fictional icon safe from this man?!! WHY DOES NOBODY STOP HIM?!!
A few positive points, because, hell, I've spent so many years complaining and I want to inject a bit of optimism. 1. I like the dynamic between Twelve and One (if I read into it a little). One is a little greyer and less refined around the moral edges, whereas Twelve struggles to maintain his grip on humanity because caring for so long has drained him. He doesn't realise the glass woman is modelled after a human because he doesn't look too closely at people, something One doesn't have issues with. It's a running joke that different Doctors don't like eachother in crossovers, but I appreciate that this time it's grounded in genuine character flaws. 2. The joke where One's brandy is in the same cupboard in the modern Tardis and he chastises Twelve for "stealing" one glass in the 1500 years since he regenerated is brilliant. Especially in the followup joke when One pours out a glass in his own Tardis and realises it was him who took it. 3. I really like Bill.
@@shaquevara I respectfully disagree lol. I feel like moffat had decent writing, decent character development and no plastic feel. But fair enough, I can understand how the big over blown shit can get annoying very quickly
@@leadisterribleI disagree there was no plastic feel. If anything, Moffat's stories always have a whiff of narcissism about them, I feel. I personally just don't like the grandiose story lines. I like the Doctor being quirky and approaching all living beings with wonder, no matter how ugly. With Moffat, the Doctor also got a bit racist, I feel.
@@shaquevara oh how was he racist? Just curious, not attacking or anything dw. I can see what u mean by the narcissism, I just prefer that over how stale chibnalls seasons feel? Idk I might be being too pretentious lol but I just think they shitty
I didn't really pay attention to most of the problems with this special. I was to focused on why Moffat gave the first Doctor that weird sexist attitude
Agreed, hell, if anything, he put down his male companions more and was generally kinder to his female companions. It's not exactly a pro feminist move, but it's not like he was sexist to begin with
I think I ended up fully noping out of Doctor Who after Capaldi's doctor called Clara ugly (can't remember the exact line). Clara, a bloody Disney princess in real life if I ever saw one. Lots of weird little lines like that during Moffat's run from all sorts of characters, and I hate it.
So he could show that his version of Doctor Who is way more progressive than the original show. Basically just Moffat patting himself on the back again
maybe it's because i'm american and know nothing about the series outside of your videos, but that "i am not a good dalek, you are a good dalek" line really took on a whole new meaning for me after the explanation behind the name rusty. i'm thinking of it as capaldi being a representation of all of moffat's decisions as showrunner, all of his writing and character work and most obviously the casting choice, and rusty as being... russ t. there's something telling about moffat writing a dalek named after his predecessor to say "i am not a good dalek, you are a good dalek", almost as if he's trying to tell himself that he's better than russ davies ever was. using the line again here in his final episode kinda hammers in that interpretation for me.
I dunno, Rusty's a pretty solid name for a broken Dalek--seems like a stretch. Also what would suggest that the Doctor would be a surrogate for Moffat? I'm not seeing it.
Samsa I mean a lot of the time it looks like Moffat is specifically addressing RTD's era or trying to one-up it. 10 leaves with I dont wanna go and 12 leaves with I let you go, RTD had a guy that lived for a few billion years so Moff has a girl live for the entire length of the universe, stuff like that.
Regular Teller i think that that's more trying to raise the stakes & escalate the tension rather than some sort of snub, but that's just my perspective
It also gets super meta when you realize that being a good dalek isn't a good thing. The dalek is actually saying 'In your strive to be better than me, you have become what you most feared: bad'.
"It's not an evil plan" is actually a lovely idea for a Doctor Who episode, it shifts the focus of the final story this Doctor will ever carry from one of overcoming an antagonist to overcoming his personal struggle in the episode, choosing to let go of himself and continue to live - which I think it genuinely did quite well.
i love it in concept but the execution was terrible imo. like i genuinely got to the end of that episode and thought "so basically nothing happened". i feel like you could go from the end of world enough and time to the bit where capaldi is giving his last speech and not miss anything
I like this aesthetic, it's like you wandered into Cath Kidston and got lost, plonked yourself down on a nearby beanbag and filmed this to alleviate the boredom of awaiting rescue. I'm guessing they couldn't work out how to get the helicopter in through the ceiling to air lift you out.
The big library of dead people’s minds happens AGAIN in “the bells of St. John” when people’s minds are downloaded by the WiFi. That’s 4 times that plot line is used by moffat in one show, so ridiculous.
It’s a cool concept though. Oh, and also the concept of the bootstrap paradox is a staple of the show, did you notice? Sci-fi tropes can be re-used in a sci-fi show, to different effects hopefully-but-not-necessarily.
The way he remembers Clara is so pisstaking! Imagine if when the tenth doctor was saying goodbye to everyone Donna suddenly just remembered him like wth
She does kinda remember the Doctor and it breaks her in two. That is, in fact, a climactic moment of, the second part(?). I think that was the main reason in that episode that the Doctor couldn’t say a word to Donna.
It's even worse that they couldn't get Jenna on set to film anything so she's just on a fucking green screen in the BBC office in london. There's no emotional weight because we don't see the two of them on screen together and they're having conversations to no one
Truth be told, I loved Capaldi as the Doctor, with a better showrunner I think he could have been the best incarnation of the Doctor. Sadly, I dislike this upcoming regeneration off the bat now just because I can't help but wish Capaldi got another season under a better showrunner before a regeneration, even though I bet the new regen will be good.
So glad I'm not the only one who's looking forward to it. It's been a long time coming--even Tom Baker wished his successor luck "whoever he or she would be" (his words).
Its a great monologue. A really well written baton pass... if it had anything to do with the docters character arc. Im honestly convinced the speech gaslit me into thinking what he was saying was adressesed in previous episodes in any depth
@@boserboser6870 It had everything to do with the Doctors arc. It was a culmination speech bout just being decent to people which was the whole point of his character arc. I swear some folks are a bit daft.
@@jordanfitzgerald7886 eh. I wasnt convinced of it as an arc. Its a good speech dont get me wrong. And im happy you found resolution in it that i didnt
@@jordanfitzgerald7886I meeean it's not really an arc if it happened in the gap between season 9 and 10. He just kinda decided he was a good guy now offscreen
As someone hearing this explanation who doesn’t follow this show at all.... it really sounds like your describing the plot of a really dumb anime series.
The first four seasons (with Davies as showrunner) are really, genuinely fun. They're creative, they're sappy in a good way, and the actors are great. Even though a good deal of the episodes are desperately silly, it's still human enough and lore-heavy enough that it just works and it's a great ride. Personally, season 5 on just really could not interest me less. I really wasn't a Moffat fan.
I’ll be honest, I actually liked season 5 of Doctor quite a lot, and I have a big soft spot for Matt Smith’s tenure as a whole because of the goodwill that got from me, and also because I think his capacity to capture a lot of zany energy whilst still convincingly portraying an old man in a young man’s body is overlooked in part because of the writing often going a bit too far in the former department (honestly one of my favourite moments in the series is his monologue where he deduces that the spaceship they’re on is an authoritarian police state from the way a child is crying without it feeling like he’s spewing complete bullshit, it’s a better Sherlock moment than Sherlock), but even having said all of that I think most of Moffats creative decisions of have been utter shit and that it was only a slew of other good writers that stopped the first season from being bad (and even then, we get the stinker that is the victory of the daleks)
You could make a video talking about The Golden Compass and how it completely betrays the source material, as well as all the religious issues surrounding his dark materials. I haven't seen anyone talk about that on youtube yet.
Yes! I devoured those books as a kid to the point that they changed my perspective on so many things. And then they shat out the worst, most unfaithful, not even based on the books movie I have ever seen. Ugh
I didn't hate the movie because I didn't see all the anti religious, mystical things and the visuals were cool. That is until I read the third book and the whole 'maybe, just maybe God is not that all powerful like they told us He is' pushed me into atheism Even now I think the first two movies weren't as anti religious as believers see them. If person's faith was shaken just by reading them then the same effect would make reading history books
I won't deny that Cyberwoman was atrocious but it would be nice if sometimes people also remembered that Chibnall wrote the well respected episodes Countrycide, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Adrift, and basically ended the show as it existed at the time with Fragments and Exit Wounds. He did some excellent work on Torchwood, and his episodes are why I still really love that show despite its low points.
The thing that really killed me about the "reunion" at the end of the special was that I thought it was with the database's reconstructions of the characters, not the characters themselves. Like the ending of AI, it felt hollow.
Uhhhh, I sort of love you. You're my favorite TH-cam personality which phrase tastes as terrible coming out of my mouth as I'm sure it sounds. But regardless, you always give inciteful and hysterical commentary. You're tremendous.
BTW, a few memorable characters Moffat did not bring back in this episode: River Song Any of the 3 Ponds Sgt Pink Pvt Blue Ramone That makes for more notable people left behind than actually brought back in this episode.
Literally just seeing Donna pop up on the screen without you even mentioning her directly and her granddad saluting Ten almost made me cry ffs fucking Russell
Whilst I guess the verdict on Chibnall can only ultimately be handed down after the end of the next season, I’m so far willing to forgive him for Cyberwoman. At least between the ten or so years between that and the latest season of Broadchurch, there’s been some demonstrable progress in his skills as a writer ...unlike Moffatt.
emmakatenotcake yeah. Broadchurch is fucking great for seasons 1 and 3 and good for season 2 all those came out after Cyberwoman. Also maybe it'll be a reverse Moffatt. Where he wrote some shit episodes only to go on to run the show with aplomb
But Broadchurch is for adults, (and crisp lovers) DW is for children, (and our lost youth.) Maybe Chibnall is a Fleming, though I suspect that he is more Cartland.
Do you honestly think that Steven Moffat has never shown any 'demonstrable skill' as a writer in his entire career (which doesn't only include DWho and Sherlock by the way)? This is really a whole new level of delusional.
+Jinuniki. No, just no. Moffat's seasons have been disappointing, but he's never written anything as buttock-clenchingly awful as Voyage of the Damned, Planet of the Dead, or that one where the guy sticks his knob in a paving slab with a face.
My main problem with this Christmas special was that Moffat CLEARLY doesn't know how to write the First Doctor's character. If you actually take the time to go back and watch a couple of One's episodes, it's like night and day with how differently the character is written. Honestly, I think this is the best Christmas special, but that doesn't mean it can't have its problems. I also wish that they had spent more time with the Tenth Planet perspective since it really just assumes you know what it is and what happened to go into it, which- let's be honest -most people watching just aren't going to know. Sorry for the long comment, I just felt I needed to get my thoughts down.
The worst part is "I don't know what to do when it's not an evil plan" sounds like it could be a weird-but-great character development moment if it was used properly
Yeah, like spending the whole episode being paranoid about it being an EVEN MORE SECRET evil plan, and causing problems for everyone in a heavily comedy focused episode, then some stunt he pulls to discover the plan accidentally hurts someone, and he's forced to confront his trauma of constantly "saving the day" and being unable to do anything else. That would have been an AMAZING way to end the story there, BECAUSE THE ENTIRE MOFFAT RUN WAS *TRYING* TO BE ABOUT HOW THE DOCTOR ISN'T SO GREAT AND A BIT OF A TOXIC INFLUENCE BY WAY OF HIS HERO/GOD COMPLEX AND HEAVY HANDED APPROACH. The dalek being there, as a positive (ish) version of his greatest old enemy would also have been a PERFECT story parallel to that, AND provide the foil to the "the doctor is dangerous" point by showing a concrete and revolutionary good thing that he did (first good-ish dalek, like true neutral dalek), AND by showing a concrete example of how LITERALLY anyone can change and be better. It basically fucking writes itself, if you DON'T ADD THE FUCKING GLASS GHOST BASTARD AND DO THE FUCKING DEAD LIBRARY THING FOR THE 10TH TIME, SUCKING ALL THE STORY OUT OF THE EPISODE FOR AN UNEARNED REUNION PAYOFF, AND LIKE ONE FUCKING "I'm descended from so and so" REFERENCE.
Would be a great line if it happened one third in
Several of the Doctor Who audio plays have this twist and they are all fantastic because they are able to extract good drama or character moments in the process of getting there.
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It could've been SO good. It could delve into the Doctor having a hero complex but never having that cause problems before because there always WAS an evil plan. That could've been a fantastic episode. But uh, yeah, Moffat couldn't have pulled that off lmao
"I've forgiven them for almost all of their crimes" is honestly one of the most relatable lines regarding family I've ever heard
Me with my Authoritarian Left Parents: Indeed🧐
I am now going to believe that Hbomberguy's family is the mafia.
I will never forget what my extended family has done and the hateful things they’ve said to me. I highly doubt I will ever forgive them.
@@samtheeaglescout1490odds are you shouldn’t.
"It's gonna be rubbish, isn't it?"
I'm sorry, Harris.
_I’m so, so sorry._
I though it was a bad joke by Harris but turns out, nope he was right….
a cliffhanger that became better with time.
*glances at the FIVE HOUR breakdown of why Chibnall's Dr Who is bad* ...Oof.
@@CouchSpud91 That's a Tomy Tallarico oof right there
@@spider-ham6225 That's a MESSIAH off right there
You can really feel Hbomb's seething hatred for Steven in this one. He is a good Dalek.
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Nah man, if Steven wanted to call you out, he'd put a boomerang into the story.
...and have it fight Al-Quaida.
Oh fucking hell, I actually *wish* he did that now. Can you imagine? It'd be amazing! XD
A FUCKIN' BOOMERANG
"IT KEEPS COMING BACK"
You might say Moffat likes to "boomerang" ideas. (Intense laughing)
hbomber is our Cassandra. He predicted the Chibnall run, but so many wouldn't believe him.
Moisturize me
Who didn't believe him?
@@FreeTheDonbas You. Don't lie to me!
Does that also mean he has the potential to flap us to death?
I haven't watched doctor who or Sherlock, I just love experiencing your long-running, detailed hatred of this Moffatt fellow.
One year later and same
Because of this guy it’s pretty much become a hobby of mine to watch long videos on why people hate something and it’s usually something ive never even watched/played. I think i have a problem.
pretty much everyone hates moffat, and it's deserved.
Same
@@Viwer_____ I enjoy that too, and seeing how people critique things I don't already have strong feelings about lets me focus on the criticism and how to do it better. It helps my writing.
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"British TV is a small room with 12 people working on 5 shows"
You say, playing clips from Broadchurch, as I recognize that woman who is in every Mitchell and Webb show sitting next to Tennant.
And now she's an academy award winner!
Olivia Colman...she was actually in Matt Smith's first episode, absolutely wasted in a bit-part.
@@lucasoheyze4597 Holy shit, you're right she was. I totally forgot about that.
Torchwood: Children of Earth had Peter Capaldi NOT as the 12th Doctor,
...and the military guy from Under the Lake's actor (doing a terrible American accent, by the way),
...and Under the Lake had the same actor as the mentally broken abusive mother from Orphan 55 (but other than that basically the same character)!
@@WiloPolis03 Capaldi and Karen Gillan were also both in The Fires of Pompeii.
Capaldi is brilliant. I wish he had been given better material, but I’m glad he got to live his lifelong dream of being the Doctor.
Heaven Sent
Twice Upon a Time and Heaven Sent
I always see some people say this. Yet series 9 is regarded as the best revival series by actual professional critics not a random youtuber and he has many of the highest acclaimed episodes in the revival. RTD nostalgia blindness is something else.
@@jordanfitzgerald7886Yeah man it was so good it lost all the ratings and they had to repilot for the next season.
I mean come on mate, Heaven Sent is alright but the rest of the series is mid at best.
Legit the entirety of series 10 is good material
I like the "oh, it's not an evil plan" line and idea. I wouldn't change it, I'd add a B-plot that takes prominence after that point.
Finding out that you're too used to conflict and can't deal with the lack of it is a good concept, but it's way harder to write than evil guy has evil plan with a fatal flaw to fix everything.
I'm 99% sure there's already an episode about that
Yes, it's the one with the trees that save the earth from a solar flare. "In The Forest of the Night."
he realizes it at the 40 minute mark, though
and they don’t do diddly with it
the whole episode would need to be altered for that to be the plot
It could have also leaned in more with the Christmas Truce. The Day The Doctor didn’t have to fight. Where he can just stop and rest before his regeneration. Maybe talk with the First about mortality and the end, which could also link to the First World War. Get some character development there.
It's a really clever idea, except I suppose it's hard to execute properly without the audience feeling it's anticlimatic.
Firewatch's ending is controversial for the same reason.
I was especially frustrated with his lazy use of the previous Doctor to make some point about sexism and how society is so much more progressive now. Doctor Who has actually pretty much always been ahead of the times, which female companions often being smart and capable people in their own right. To have the first Doctor suggest that Bill was only there to clean up was a disservice to earlier versions of the show.
Including the first Doctor's run. While the early series had some casually misogynist elements to them on occaision, they hardly if ever entered the Doctor's choice of words or sentiment.
I mean, it's kind of mentioned in an above comment, but the show runner was a woman named Verity Lambert who didn't agree to work on the show until she was told that she'd be the head producer instead of an assistant, and who was described as being full of 'piss and vinegar'. Having seen/read the transcripts for all of the First Doctor episodes, and knowing that this show was jumpstarted by a woman who was in charge for most of the First Doctor's runtime, I have to say that this is wildly out of character for the First doctor, and I doubt that it would've ever been approved.
Not to forget, the first Doctor traveled with his *granddaughter* and her *female teacher* (from Earth).
@@morinomajou in-universe, the Doctor at the time was saying "Red Indians" had "savage minds". The Doctor and the Time Lords have never made sense as truly alien beings, only as outgrowths of human culture. This plot thread is commenting on the show's history, not the "coherent universe" Doctor Who was never supposed to have anyway
@@YaleBreaker Do you know the name of the episode where the doctor said that "red Indians had savage minds"?
The worst case of a Moffat metaplot ruining individual episodes is the latter half of series 6. Amy and Rory should be traumatized that they are never going to have a normal relationship with their daughter, but instead it's onto the next thing. It's particularly noticeable in The Girl Who Waited where every other aspect of their relationship gets dissected ad nauseum but the daughter is barely mentioned.
Um also Rory remembers living for thousands of years as an immortal robot and yet is the same beta toolbag he always was. Or how about when Amy became a cunt because she wanted Rory to leave her rather than HAVE A SIMPLE CONVERSATION ABOUT ADOPTION!? Or, and this is by far the worst offense, how about how River spent so much time with the Doctor that she knew better than him how to run the Tardis, but after she gave up her ability to regenerate to save The Doctor you almost never saw her again?
Night Terrors getting shuffled around in production makes it suffer the same lack of throughline with River.
That's actually where I quit watching Doctor Who. Traumatize the characters severely enough, and I'm out. It's only happened twice, with Amy and Rory and again with Once Upon a Time. I was done watching them abuse Regina by the end of Season 5. There's a point at which the amount of trauma the characters have gone through makes me too angry with the writers to move on.
“I’m sorry to inform you both, but the tests were conclusive. Your baby is… plot relevant.”
The fourth good idea that Moffat ever had was the "girl Doctor meets has to live through history instead of traveling through it" (see: Madame de Pompadour, Amy Pond, River Song, that fanfiction he wrote when he was like 12). And he kept going back to it OVER AND OVER AND OVER because he thinks that "person who meets the Doctor intermittently but is still obsessed with him for some reason" is an interesting character trait.
Because by default, I guess, the Doctor is "The Most Interesting Man in The World", even though it's kinda more his tech and the context of his existence that is so interesting, he himself behaves pretty normally.
And then he eventually made the Doctor do the same thing to show what a badass he was.
I recently rewatched the Madame de Pompadour episode and I still like the episode, but I couldn't help but notice the parallels to Amy Pond, River Song, Clara, etc.
Glad I wasn't the only one to notice that.
Oh lor, he does it in Blink kind of as well doesn't he?
He does! And Ashildr as well! He just really likes those women being doomed to go through time at a normal pace forever.
What I love is how in the "Into the Dalek" episode the line "I am not a good Dalek, you are a good Dalek." was supposed to be, if anythings was, the point at which some character development happens, that the Dr has an epiphany or reflects or learns something. The fact they used the exact same line in the xmas episode seems like a tacit admission that absolutely none of that development had happened, its remarkable.
Also that speech at the end was clearly moffat talking to moffat about how great moffat was.
All it made me think (didn't bother watching the xmas special I'm talking about the actual episode where the dalek is introduced) was that Moffat had overseen a regression of the Doctor's character growth during the Eccleston and Tennant years, because it felt like a hollow version of Eccleston's "Dalek".
If I had a nickle for every time Tennent managed to duplicate during regeneration and then go live with his companion, I'd have two nickles but it's weird that it happened twice
You fucked up the quote, but not as bad as Chibnall fucked up the canon.
"If I had a -nickle- _nickel_ for every time Tennent managed to duplicate himself during regeneration and then go live with his companion, I'd have two -nickles- nickels, *which isn't a lot,* but it's weird that it happened twice."
@@Crowbars2 "If I had a nickle nickel for every time Tennent managed to duplicate himself during regeneration and then go live with his companion, I'd have two nickles nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice, right?"*
Tennant supply working hard to match the demand.
It is VERY weird and I have to wonder why this decision was made. Having a mini-season of Doctor/Donna before rolling out Ncuti Gatwa already undermines the new Doctor because he's being compared to what RTD and others consider the best of the show. And it kinda signals a lack of faith in Ncuti Gatwa by telling the audience that Davies has a spare Doctor in his pocket in case Gatwa doesn't work out. I don't know if these decisions were made with the intent of undermining Gatwa, but people like Davies need to be conscious of what people might reasonably THINK he's doing even when it's not his true intention.
I have to say that it did make me less interested in the new season, and I haven't watched it yet.
"Why Didn't Somebody Stop Him: A Stephen Moffat Story"
@@KaladinVegapunk You're a fucking moron if Capaldi is your favourite
@@MichaelM28 calm down my boi, we all have our preferences
@@MichaelM28 Guess I'm the biggest moron of all
@@MichaelM28 only real morons can't accept others opinions. I never liked Dr. Who. I tried several of them, old ones, new ones, damn I tried really hard, mainly because of my twin sister, but it's just not my cup of tea and sometimes, even those fan-favorite episodes bored the hell out of me (while being much bigger fan of science fiction then she ever be). So, just because I don't like it, I should simply call every fan of is as moron, right? Is that your logic?
now we know why they didn't
I really don't mind the idea of an episode of Doctor Who that doesn't have an evil plan in it, and the Doctor sort of winking towards the structure of the show being subverted, but this was not a good execution on that idea.
EnemyViolent Gaming Yeah I agree! That could have been a really interesting idea with the doctor learning to be less cynical but the episode seemed to be like "oh well no evil plan so better go do something else now"
"I don't really know what to do when it isn't an evil plan" would've gone down as a standout line in a properly executed comedy episode.
+Matt, I wouldn't say that it's the equivalent to The Empty Child because if the Doctor hadn't intervened, the world would be full of gas-mask-zombies. I'd say it's closer to "In the forest of the night"
Also for the record, I quite liked this episode.
Arguably the Empty Child was a good way of doing that - it was confused, not evil!
Yeah, which is why it was done well. The argument is for the "no evil plan" thing, not having no stakes. There being an antagonist, and high stakes, despite there being "no evil plan" is why the episode was good.
With hindsight, we now know Moffat intended to finish his run with the last episode of the season, but Chibnall didn't want to start with a Xmas special so Moffat reluctantly agreed to do one more episode, because he believed that Xmas slot was too important to the show to lose.
at least chinball didn't write it
@Lucas O’heyze And then it ended up being the last Christmas special for the next six years anyway.
I think Chibnall didn't like writing Christmas specials full stop.
@@mysteriouslyseeing you're both equating things the BBC decided to either showrunner. The BBC decided to move the Who special to new years instead of Christmas & the BBC wanted a Moffat Christmas special. Also: Hbomb, Chibnall wasn't showrunner of Torchwood, RTD was. Chibnall just wrote the most episodes
@@BarbaraYaga RTD basically said in The Writers Tale that Chibnall was basically the show runner of the first two seasons of Torchwood
I still really wish we'd gotten more than one season of Christopher Eccleston. He is certainly my favorite of the revival doctors, but that may be more because of the writing, obviously. Also, extra props to Eccleston for declining to be 50th anniversary episode after discussing it with Moffat.
Why did Eccleston decline to be in it? I can't watch the video atm if bomberguy says it there
They never published reasons. Probably because Eccleston still wanted to get work from the BBC in the future. Same about how he didn't really comment much about why he only did one season of Doctor Who.
I heard Ecclestone wanted a specific director to direct the 50th, but Moffat wouldn't budge so Ecclestone declined. I believe Ecclestone quit Doctor Who in the first place because he had some issues with how the show was produced, too. I only remember these reasons vaguely, but I'm pretty sure there were articles about it that I read at some point.
I heard Eccleston left because he disapproved of how upper management was treating the employees below them. I don't think he ever elaborated on which employees these were, but it sounded to me like the lower employees were being treated like trash and he didn't want to work for people like that.
Apparently he originally would've had the role of the War Doctor.
I'm amused by the irony of Moffat making jokes about '60s sexism, when we're talking about a show that, in 1963, was produced by a young Jewish woman (Verity Lambert) who was the only female producer in the BBC, and three years later hired a noted scientist and outspoken feminist as a script editor and writer (Kit Pedler who co-created the Cybermen). Doctor Who was built by progressives, radicals even, but it's become lazy reactionary sludge.
Still if Moffat's gone, maybe it'll be watchable again? Maybe?
Eh, the tragedy of becoming the new status quo, therefore reactionaries can like it and attempt to revision the OG series as less progressive than it was.
Strictly speaking she was the 1st producer of a show not aimed just for kids.
Hopefully
I was enjoying your comment until you misused the word reactionary.
I was referring to Moffat in particular, rather than the Beeb as a whole.
That christmas episode where he lost his hand didn't air in canada so the whole hand thing was really confusing for a really long time.
THAT'S WHY I WAS SO CONFUSED HOLY SHIT I WAS LIKE "WHY DON'T I REMEMBER THIS SPECIAL"
Good thing he didn’t regenerate at the beginning of a that episode or it would have been even more confusing.
Wait what? Why?
What part of Canada were you in? I remember watching it on Space pretty often.
@@giuwahdangelo102 same, I think what it was is that WHO's christmas specials aren't part of its regular season, so for a while they just didnt air 'em. One year, i think it was the "christmas carol" year, they marathoned all the christmas eps they'd missed haha.
I thought that the story was going to be how the Doctor was weary of living and losing friends and just wanted to die, but has an adventure with his younger self that reinvigorates himself.
Apparently that would have been too good of a story to tell.
Yeah, it could have been a significant and emotional journey for the Doctor's character.
I guess Moffat thought that too, seeing as he hates significant and emotional journeys for the Doctor's character.
Late reply, but that concept is perfect for a Doctor resurrection. Him turning into a she could've easily been explained at the end of the episode as him wanting to start again "with a new perspective"
Instead, he was just clinging to his current form.
But then by the end of the episode he becomes so unclingy that he forgets he isn't trans.
One of my least favorite things about Moffat was how he always backpedaled on events with tangible consequences, which is why I was so pleasantly surprised at the end of series 9 when The Doctor lost all his memories of Clara and Moffat didn't instantly try to reverse it.
GOOD THING WE STILL HAVE THAT INNIT
ChardBotham Its actually amazing that he systematically went and reversed literally everything about series 9, making the last arc 100% pointless with no growth or consequences from any of the characters, and lessening the impact of Face the Raven and Heaven Sent.
HEY REMEMBER THAT GUILT OVER THE TIME WAR AND HOW IT WAS A HUGE FUCKING DEAL AND ADDED A LOT TO THE DOCTOR?
NAH THEY ALL LIVE LOL
phsycospacezilla EVERYBODY REALLY LIKED THE EVERYBODY LIVES MOMENT FROM EMPTY CHILD WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THAT EVERY EPISODE LOLOLOL
I actually think what happened with Gallifrey and the the Time War was necessary for the show .
I liked the time war when it was a mystery. Big things like that work best when you don't know what they are but you feel their presence.
But with Moffat there was a new ""mysterious"" phrasey thing every season and had to get resolved in the end. God, how I *hate* those phrases.
"It's going to be rubbish, isn't it?"
[voice-over from the future] "It was."
Steve Sloan “it got a bit better”
For a while at any rate.
@@ExhaustedWombat Those two comments with the month gap between them are funnier than anything Steven Moffat has ever written
Haven't seen the new new doctor can't be worse than the last couple of seasons of doctor who
@@mkratos17 I keep waiting to get back into the show. I figure that if I never saw the pre-revival stuff and managed to absorb the lore and story, I can skip the bad stuff and be fine. Is it good yet? Have they finally learned to hire good writers??
So if using the Titanic is O.K. because it's a spaceship and not a boat can we look forward to a disaster on the good ship Twin Towers?
I mean, I'd watch that. it sounds interesting
That really isnt the same thing at all
The Ship Towers can be heading towards a sun as part of the evil plot by an American named Bush and saved by a Muslim woman named Sarsour to hammer down the reference in case someone doesn’t get something that’s being shown.
I’m not being sarcastic if you’re wondering and would watch it.
They’ll have a guy called Osama on board who ends up saving everyone.
American Airlines Flight 175? No, don't be ridiculous, this is American Spacelines Flight 175!
See the weird thing is I also had a 'where's Amy Pond?" reaction to when the Doctor was saying good bye to people in this episode, but then i realised of course she wouldn't be in this episode because Capaldi's Doctor never even met her, she was only around during Matt Smith's era, and Matt Smith's doctor said goodbye to her (in a weird hallucination type way) when he was dying. There's literally no reason for her to be in this episode even if Karen Gillan wasn't doing Marvel movies.
Ah, the good old days when we all thought Moffat was the worst showrunner we could have
some of his episodes carry the show tho
@@BarioIDL Can't remember who said it (probably maybe even Hbomb) Moffat is a great at writing short episodes/ 2 episode story arcs but is bad at writing full season arcs.
Although with that said I do wonder what people think of Matt smith's first season's story. I actually really liked that overall.
@@scalpingsnake yep hbomb in the Sherlock video
@@evertime123 Yup that makes sense.
I don’t think anyone would call Moffat the worst, he’s good as long as you have someone nearby to hit him with a wiffle bat every time he does something dumb
exploding and turning into Jodie Whittaker, that is how I want to die
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It's ironic that when he is running around inside rusty trying to fix him, he ends up totally breaking him. Really ties in well with the whole metaphor of Moffat running doctor who.
Cardboard-Box Games that’s incredibly offensive. Both you and @hbomberguy have gone too far by saying he didn’t try anything himself and instead ruined russel t Davis’ work. How would you like it if you ran your favorite show in the whole world but you include some minor callbacks to the previous persons work but everyone accuses you of just attempting to improve but ruining it.
I’m sorry but anybody hates Moffat then they hate doctor who because he gave us more doctor who than anyone and if you feel this way then you should never have fucking watched his era or the show as a whole.
@@frazzlesreviews5379 Spotted Moffat's sock account lol
Just Another Shitposting Loser fuck you at least I haven’t been brainwashed into changing my opinion because of some prick who thinks everyone else’s opinion is wrong because he hates somebody for no fucking reason.
@@frazzlesreviews5379 what if hbomb dislikes this show because it's bad and moffat is a bad showrunner
FRÆSER James Wow, you really must be an idiot if you genuinely think that if you don’t like one iteration of a show then you can’t watch ANY of it.
I’m not going to completely drop a show because i hate one season, that would be stupid.
Also, if you think he’s wrong, use your brain and rebuke his arguments instead of saying “he’s wrong” and expecting us to take you seriously.
I can never forgive your besmirching of all my favorite Tennant Christmas specials XD You act like a sword fight in your pajamas on an alien spaceship culminating in the loss of a hand which later becomes a cloned version of yourself who gets to live in a parallel universe with your former lover...is a bad thing. I think it's A+ storytelling. I also unironically love that the Doctor does almost nothing in that episode and we just get to hang out with Rose's mom trying to deal with crazy alien shit.
Edit: I somehow misspelled Tennant :p
Or how Voyage of the Damned isn't the most fun episode ever.
That is a great moment, and it would've been one of the best christmas specials of all time if it weren't for the fact that the rest of the episode is just "Let's try to fill time, then have the Doctor wake up and defeat the Baddies after sleeping the whole episode"
@@agushernandez6083 for real though! Like its so bad, but anything with Tennet is fabulous and who doesn't want to hang out with Rose's mum?! "Is that the only thing that grows back" is one of the greatest lines in cinematic history and I will die on this hill :P
Agreed!! It’s my favourite ... or, wait, no that’s the lion king...
@@sydneypaluch558 im pretty sure the actual line is 'is that the only thing he's got two of.
When they used to reference the past incarnations of the Doctor it used to be really cool but now they use it as a crutch and my eyes roll whenever they do it.
Remember in the Next Doctor where they read the datacore and it shows all the faces of the Doctor? I remember reading Dr Who Magazine at the time and then saying that it was a very special thing and a real hassle to get all the faces together - they weren't even sure if they could get the rights to the Dr Who movie (for Paul McGann footage). Now Moffat has ruined any strengths of that plot device via oversaturation - it's all part of his continuous problem of deifying his protagonists and telling, not showing, about their complexity and power as characters.
I think they're leaning too hard on the elderly Doctors as well, maybe out of fear those actors might die before they can be milked for merchandise and profits like the modern youthful Doctors.
Flimpeen Flarmpoon I really, really wish I could say I disagree - and I think only a year or so ago, I would have and likely been butthurt about this comment - but even as someone who generally found the Moffat era decent, I have to admit this "tired, eye rolling" feeling being more common for me (and I liked this season!) I'm not happy Moffat is gone because I think Moffat is the devil or anything, I'm happy because I think a change in direction (both in the existential sense and occupational one) is a long time overdue for The Doctor.
If the next series doesn't have 2 Paul McGanns in a trenchcoat I'm boycotting Doctor Who forever.
Why was he even there? What did he even really do that was unique and couldn't be removed?
Now that you bring it up, it is weird that that lesbian couple where one of them is a dinosaur woman and their alien butler (I'm not a 'names' person) didnt show up. Those are the only characters I'd call actually memorable from his run.
I mean I guess there's River Song. I'm genuinely surprised he had the self control to leave well enough alone with her.
Those were introduced in Matt Smith times though. Did the Tennant doctor say good bye to Cristopher Eccleston folks?
They did show up in Capaldi's first episode, though.
erik idiot Captain Jack is deffo a Eccleston thing.
And I'd say that 12 also had the girl from Last Christmas, though she forgot the adventure
erik idiot you mean like Rose...or Jack, since those where the only major ones I can remover aside from that one dude who's forehead opened up
@@sprotte6665 (4 years late I know) I mean...kinda? Not counting villains, I don't think there's an Eccleston character that both survived AND didn't also meed Tennant. Harriet Jones died, the whole Tyler family met Ten, Jack Harkness hitched a ride on the TARDIS with Tennant again...I don't think there really were any uniquely Eccleston folks left at this point. Unless you count "Weird dude who showed up in the very first episode with pictures of the Doctor".
I love that in your joke about Moffat having 4 good ideas that he just ran into the ground, you included River Song. It's not even his idea - the man has an obsession with the Time Traveller's Wife. His S2 episode The Girl in the Fireplace is clearly inspired by it. River is even more directly inspired by it, and he was the executive producer/writer for the 2022 TV adaptation. King of running other people's ideas into the ground, too (cough Sherlock cough).
Pretty much every idea has been done before - don't think you can criticise him for getting inspiration from other places. He definitely didn't come up with the idea of "database that stores dead people either", but he implemented both of these ideas into Doctor Who in a way that made them work, to which I think he deserves plenty of credit.
@@archiegrishipolYeah I don't understand this criticism at all, I brought up this discussion with my partner, and she pointed out if you never were allowed to make something that was based on something, we wouldn't have the lion King, we wouldn't have West side story, we wouldn't have Aladdin, we wouldn't have A lot of stuff.
I also laugh Thinking all these people criticising that other people can't write original ideas have never written an original idea in their life.
I guarantee that Moffat thought up the line "It's not an evil plan! I don't really know what to do when it isn't an evil plan." and then wrote the ENTIRE FULL-LENGTH EPISODE around the line. Which is actually a really great encapsulation of why Moffat made a great stand-alone episode writer and a terrible showrunner - he came up with what's actually an excellent line to build a 7-minute Children in Need special mini episode around, and then wasted a full Christmas special on it instead. His ego constantly writes checks his talent can't cash.
literally he just needed a filler episode for christmas, and he just needed to write something passable so chibnall can finally take over. because chibnall didn’t want to start on a christmas episode.
@@nicolesong6199 and then the tools at the BBC didn't let chibnall keep the christmas slot anyway lol
The whole thing with the first doctor was a wasted opportunity in general, it's blatently obvious he was only there as the shock cliffhanger for the end of the series, as he spends the rest of the time pottering around saying sexist comments and picking things up to stare at.
Also the whole thing about the first doctor choosing to die was stupid, he knows he doesn't as he's with his 12th incarnation for the entire episode and if he does, it would create a paradox.
Larry Bundy Jr But in the 3 Doctors and indeed five he was around to see future incarnations. Moffat doesn't really think things out
Hey Guru
Guru Larry watches H bomb? Mind blown! Hi Larry, I liked your Christmas speech. You should do a thing on psygnosis. Specifically overboard, one of the best multiplayer pirate games of the 90s. (I think it was them wot dun it) Would make sense since pirates are coming back to video games in a big way! 😘
Oh yeah, forgot about that, so used to "new" doctor now.
+Furious George Dude, H bom was even a guest voice in one of my videos last year :D I literally just bought Overboard a few weeks ago funilly enough, had a demo of it and played it a ton back in the day, but strangely never bought it.
But if I can find an interesting thing about them and the game, absolutely!
I can think of some characters from Moffat's run who he could have brought back for his final episode.
Vastra, Jenny, and Strax.
Y'know, those three funny and interesting characters who did cool crimefighting stuff in Victorian London.
Who were major supporting characters for pretty much all of Matt Smith's tenure.
Who got an episode all to themselves which was basically just a backdoor pilot for their own spinoff series that never happened.
Who appeared in *one* episode of Series 8, in 2014, and have never been so much as mentioned since then.
Just saying, it would have maybe been neat to see them again.
Came here to say this. They were awesome characters.
By "funny" you of course mean "cringe". Muppet can't do funny, but he can do cringe almost as well as fathead himself
CRAIG!! AND YOU CANT FORGET STOMAGGEDON!!
I think it had to be dead characters maybe but idk I haven't watched any of Moffats Doctor Who
@@vitraartist2622 They were in Victorian London. They would be dead by now.
In fact, the Doctor's a time traveller, everyone's dead by now. Even the ones who're alive.
21:46 that salty Sherlock shade randomly thrown in is what I'm fucking here for. God, it was stupid
I don’t even care about Doctor Who anymore but this video in my subscriptions tab got me fucking hyped
-everyone here
LOVE for hbomb to do a torchwood video, i need a new hour-long video essay of his to rewatch every 6 months
Oh god please Id literally give my kidney for a hbomb Torchwood video
Please!!!!!!!!
tbh there's already a (mostly) good Doctor Who-type show, it's called Star Trek: TNG...
Let's just ignore season 1 and Gene's ideas about Ferengi sex...
TNG is way better than any season of who. But it will always have less time-traveling dudes exploding into different time-traveling dudes. Or women, apparently.
DS9
@@Davesknd Ferengi are supposed to backwards, as opposed to humans, it's meant to show how ridiculous we are in real life in the here and now. They were specifically based on Yankee traders early on, but evolved more with the characters Quark. Although, TNG's Ferengi are hugely under-developed, but usually any alien species with 'backwards' (from the perspective of the Federation) cultural ideas/practices are meant to be a critique of something IRL humans are doing/believing. This gets more fleshed out in DS9, however. Funnily enough, as ruthless as Ferengi capitalism is, Quark often (correctly) points out that humans used to be far worse than the Ferengi are in the 24th century. One of my favourite scenes in all of Star Trek is the one where Quark gives Garak (a Cardassian) some root beer and they compare it to the Federation, "...bubbly and cloying... and happy [...]" th-cam.com/video/4hdiuRMK3UQ/w-d-xo.html
sorry to say this olly but bad take op 😩
Voyage of the Damned may not be perfect, but Tennant's repition of "What?" absolutely was.
Allons-y, Alonso!
25:49 yes.
hah!
I fucking knew u watched him, ur style is so similar to his, originality is an illusion and the cultural Marxists want us to forget about it
Oh Jay's here, I wonder how that Chibnall video's coming along
@@dsdots he's done editing he sed mid april I think in a stream
Here after Jay’s FIVE-HOUR VIDEO expanding on that “yes”
I mean, he could've at least brought jenny, vastra, and strax back. They just kinda disappeared after Deep Breath, which was sorta odd.
tbf they just kinda appeared out of nowhere in the first place too. feels right that they should just vanish in exactly the same way, like a lot of Moffat's undeveloped side characters
I totally forgot about them holy shit.
Not bringing them back is the best thing moffat ever did with them. The worst thing he did was create them in the first place
Strax was funny, but like as a single episode comic relief character. It gets unbearable very quickly
Yeah, the British television industry is just 12 people in a room working on 5 shows.
Confirmed in a charity special where Olivia "I'm in everything" Colman was asked, "are you going to be in it?" and she casually said, "ofc! I'm in everything."
Kinda funny, BBC makes people pay to have TV at all but gives their shows such low budgets, meanwhile over here we pay for Netflix and get shows that feel high budget even when they aren't.
And the room is in Cardiff but set to look like London, can't forget that part.
thirteenfury eww Cardiff
My theory for 90% of your questions is "Moffat has been told ha has no idea how continuity works, and he thinks throwing references at the wall like a caffeinated monkey means continuity"
and chinball's definition of character development is talk about their feelings
What bothers me the most about the movie was how Moffat basically retconned the first Doctor as being sexist and a product of the 60s.
The first Doctor was sexist due to being written in the 60s though. Maybe not quite as bad as Moffat made him out to be, but still sexist. Though I would agree that retconning the sexism out might've been better, as arguably whenever the Doctor was sexist it was out of character. After all, time lords are "billions of years beyond your petty human obsession with gender and its associated stereotypes."
the line about spanking was a line from the show though. it’s something hartnell actually said tho lol which is a bit cheeky of them to include. hartnell isn’t defined by these things and yet does include these lines.
@@Huntracony rewatch 1's era please. He was rude and grumpy against everyone. 1 was never sexist don't act like he was.
I wasn't on the hate train against Steven Moffat, but I did miss how RTD managed to create a world that felt persistent. While I enjoyed some of the stories from Moffat, it always felt like the world revolved around the Doctor. I don't really know how to explain it properly, but hopefully you know what I mean.
Small universe problem. I agree m RTD managed to create a world where the doctor was important but not the single most important being in existence. It still felt like other stuff went on when he wasn't around.
HBomberguy (2018): "This year might prove to be the last bad [holiday special of] Doctor Who because Moffat is retiring."
Chris Chibnall: "Hold my crack pipe."
To be fair to him, I actually quite liked the new year special
@@jamesduffy7549 Agreed! 'Resolution' and 'Revolution of the Daleks' were better than pretty much every Doctor Who holiday special.
@@mtheory-pilemon7211 I didn't like resolution, but I consider Revolution to be one of the best Dalek stories.
@@mtheory-pilemon7211 a tardis full of daleks
i rest my case
The bit where Hbomb says "I have some... mixed... feelings about Chris Chibnall" really was foreshadowing
I was beginning to think the soy boy diet killed you.
He's been on Twitter.
Which isn't great evidence he's alive.
But still, that's how I know he's okay.
Whoever dares become a Soy Boi, for whatever reason, is never the same again.
As if. He used to eat lots of overly processed shit. Now he's eating overly processed shit that is soy based. I have no idea how you island people survive.
I feel like the whole "Oh, it isn't an evil plan" thing was an attempt to recreate the "Just this once, everybody lives" ending from the Empty Child, where it subverts your expectations with a happy ending. Not successfully, obviously, but I think that's where he was coming from.
(also, great video!)
There obviously should always be an evil plan. What's the point of Doctor Who then?
Melissa C the thing is, with the Empty Child, the Child might not be evil, but it still was dangerous. The doctor couldn’t just ignore it, because the Gasmask-Virus could have spread and caused a horrible plague. With this, the Doctor could have not even meet this AI thing and nothing about the world would change. I feel that’s what this episode missed.
@@Quoyth Edge of Destruction. Three stories into Who's history. Just food for thought. Who can be something other than an evil plan and averting it at times.
To be perfectly fair, I'm pretty sure the Daleks having a massive hivemind-database thing WAS previously established.
I know that this is late and doesn't matter but it was. Several times. For example in that area of time when Clara was just showing up in history before she was a companion there was an episode where the Doctor is captured by Daleks and is forced to go kill a rogue Dalek that turned out to be Clara. I'm fairly sure they checked their database before he was shot to the planet. He also wiped himself from their database at one point. the two situations might have been connected honestly.
@@Lee-fw5bd it was actually even established before Moffat was head writer IIRC (possibly one of the specials after season 4)
@@0hate9 I was pretty sure that it was established earlier. I just couldn't/can't remember when so I provided an off the top example that was before the special in question. I'm glad we can agree.
Lee Butler they were both in the same episode I think; Darlek Clara deletes him from the hive mind, so when he returns to their ship they don’t know who he is. One of the “Doctor Whooooooooooo” moments Moffat loved to chuck in 😉
"Then they decide to regenerate out of spite" I mean, of all the excuses you could have to regenerate that's one of the funniest when you put it like that
"I really missed the sinister puddle, or all 8 flavours of the new dalek gumdrop brigade"
When you realize that the "Untitled Avengers Film" was Endgame.
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Moffat always reminded me of George Lucas- they both have the capacity to tell good stories with a decent editor, but the instant you put them in charge, everything falls apart
(Hbomb likes the prequels)
I'm about to go watch Revenge of the Sith for the first time. Please pray for me.
that one's not so bad- I actually fell asleep the first time I watched Attack of the Clones
agree to disagree
katie lil It's treason, then
One good thing about Moffatt’s Doctor Who is that they finally wiped the Vaseline off the camera and replaced that awful yellow tint with actual colors.
I liked the yellow...
The cinematography and direction in Moffat's run is universally excellent, which I think speaks to a big problem in that you really can't throw money at bad scripts to make them good. Sherlock was also exquisitely produced, and it didn't make the mysteries more compelling, or the characters less obnoxious.
Oh my god too true, unfortunately the writing was still shit, or even worse
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED
I think part of the reason for that tint was to try to obscure the fact that even several series in the budget was pretty low. If they make EVERYTHING hazy then the cgi doesn't look so bad.
Sadly he couldn't use Clara's boyfriend in his "bring people back for the sendoff episode" thing because he already used that character in his OTHER database of everyone who's ever died. (Same problem for River).
Don't be so hard on yourself Harry. You were definitely my favorite of the classic Doctors. Do you still walk around with a leek or whatever that was in your lapel or is it a piece of tofu now?
cas013500 its a bottle of soy milk now
Having watched all of the the First Doctor's stories, I'm increasingly disappointed by the portrayal of him here as a rampant sexist. He never said anything of the sort in his seasons.
Also, weird opinion... but despite his best efforts, I still don't like David Bradley's portrayal of the First Doctor, but I rather preferred him playing William Hartnell in An Adventure in Space and Time, strangely enough. Nothing will replace Hartnell as the First Doctor, naturally, but Bradley still falls slightly short of the mark in terms of charm and character.
I honestly really liked his portrayal, but it definitely can't match Hartnell's take on the character. It just sucks he wasn't given anything better to work with, with all those stupid sexist remarks the character would have never said originally.
@ Ocsttiac Thank you! Was wondering when someone was going to say this. All this revisionist history is making me feel like Im on crazy pills.
He is not sexist or misogynistic though...... in the 60's it was normal to hit boys AND girls, and naturally boys got beaten far harder and more often than girls. Plus they were often sent off to a muddy field to be beaten by tiny bits of metal fired from machine guns until they were mincemeat.
And the Doctor generally only gave women the privilege of being flown around the galaxy in a time machine, and doing some light dusting is hardly asking very much in return. Even today 95% of workplace deaths are men because society allows women to do safer, more comfortable jobs.
So in both cases we have female privileges being framed as patriarchal oppression of women.
Also how ludicrous is it for a FUCKING TIME TRAVELLER to be locked into the social attitudes of the 1960's????
They literally forgot the Doctor is a time traveller. I swear they will forget he is a man one day....
Just want to point out that it's not entirely true that women are allowed to do safer, more comfortable jobs; it's that it's the /only/ jobs that are traditionally available to them. Rosie the Riveter only exists because factories were only willing to take women when there was a shortage of men. Not saying that, for example, the lack of acceptance of male tailors isn't bs; it very much is. But the system hurts everybody.
".. it's not entirely true that women are allowed to do safer, more comfortable jobs; it's that it's the /only/ jobs that are traditionally available to them...."
Are you suggesting that throughout history if coal mining, shipyard work, ocean trawling, construction and all the other traditionally male jobs had been 'available' to women, they would have taken them?
Are you suggesting women found those kinds of male gender roles preferable to their own female gender roles?
"... Rosie the Riveter only exists because factories were only willing to take women when there was a shortage of men...."
Precisely. The men were busy being turned into mincemeat on a muddy field. SOMEBODY had to keep the factories running. As a last resort the task was put onto women's shoulders.
"... But the system hurts everybody..."
Had women spent the last 5000 years doing the majority of manual labour, fighting all the wars and generally working to support men and children who got to stay at home doing domestic duties you would not be saying the system hurts everybody. You would be saying women had it rough and men definitely got the better end of the bargain.
I stopped watching the season with Bill on the "Smile" episode, because the way they structured the episode threw me into an indignant rage. So the episode is the classic "utopia gone wrong" thing, taking place on an earth colony on a foreign planet. Cool. Fine. Great. Classic sci-fi setup. However, before the opening credits even roll, the writers KILL all possible suspense by showing exactly what the threat is and EXACTLY what happened to the people on the colony. So when the Doctor and Bill get there and they're figuring out what happened, there is no element of mystery because there's nothing left for the audience to discover. We already know exactly what happened, so watching the Doctor and Bill discover it feels less like uncovering a mystery and more like a chore. We already know neither of them are going to die, so the only suspense left is the discovery of what happened to the planet.
And the weirdest thing is after the credits roll, the rest of the episode plays out as though the audience wasn't just spoiled on what happened to the planet. All the little details and hints at what happened to the colonists unfold exactly like they would if you didn't already know. So it almost feels like a post-production decision, like somebody higher up thought the audience wouldn't get it if they weren't told exactly what happened at the very beginning.
I think that setup can work pretty well, otherwise Columbo wouldn't have been such a success. It's not a "What happened here?" episode, but more "How will they find out?"
Also, by knowing more than the characters some situations can work better for the suspense. For example, by seeing what happened you get super tense the first time the smiling robots greet them - they are totally unaware of the danger, but YOU know these things are dangerous!
I'm not saying it works great in that episode (or that this was even the intention), but it CAN work. Hitchcock talked about how you can make a scene "People sitting at table - suddenly bomb explodes" infinitely more suspenseful by showing the bomb BEFOREHAND, thus giving the audience knowledge the characters don't have. A similar thing could've been done here.
My guy, let me tell you how the writer of that episode did a shit job at literally every concept in it. Frank (what’s his last name.) took an interesting concept of emojis and communication, and the evolution of language and media in the future, something that has more nuances than just 💀 and 🙂 and did nothing but make dumb jokes about gen z with it. But it did give Bill the entrance ‘explore an alien planet’ thing as a first time companion, so that part was functional. I just wish the emoji part was used better :(
I will say that there were some good episodes later on. Extremis was good, and I thought the last two episodes of Bill’s series were good.
@@nicolesong6199You're allowed to dislike an episode without having to make up moments in your head to hate.
@@nicolesong6199completely agreed. that idea had a lot of promise, and it was totally wasted
Every time I'm reminded that 'secret evil mind-control sister and the dog that got put down but was really a best friend who drowned' actually happened, it's like being non-consensually fisted in the soul.
harrysecombegroupie don't forget how the narrative hook of the plane was completely metaphorical
Oh god no!!! I'd deleted that! NNNGHGHGHHGHGHG!!! *makes weird Martin Freeman mooing noises while dramatically smashing flimsy plywood coffin*
harrysecombegroupie
Also going to point out that Molly’s only character developement was her doing shit to get he attention of an absolute asshole who treated her abombitably the entire fucking time, and in the end we get no reasonable resolution for that relationship. FUCK MOFFAT
No reasonable resolution = Moffat's modus operandi. Apparently the BBC are letting him and Mark Gatiss ruin Dracula next. Is no beloved fictional icon safe from this man?!! WHY DOES NOBODY STOP HIM?!!
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Uff, that comment made my va- , I mean my soul hurt.
A few positive points, because, hell, I've spent so many years complaining and I want to inject a bit of optimism.
1. I like the dynamic between Twelve and One (if I read into it a little). One is a little greyer and less refined around the moral edges, whereas Twelve struggles to maintain his grip on humanity because caring for so long has drained him. He doesn't realise the glass woman is modelled after a human because he doesn't look too closely at people, something One doesn't have issues with. It's a running joke that different Doctors don't like eachother in crossovers, but I appreciate that this time it's grounded in genuine character flaws.
2. The joke where One's brandy is in the same cupboard in the modern Tardis and he chastises Twelve for "stealing" one glass in the 1500 years since he regenerated is brilliant. Especially in the followup joke when One pours out a glass in his own Tardis and realises it was him who took it.
3. I really like Bill.
"It's gonna be rubish, isn't it?"
Me after watching The Timeless Children: *cries*
We really took Moffat for granted, which is something I thought I'd never say lol
@@leadisterrible while I don't like the new episodes, I still think it's better than Moffat and his tiring, overly hyped "big reveal" plotlines.
@@shaquevara I respectfully disagree lol. I feel like moffat had decent writing, decent character development and no plastic feel. But fair enough, I can understand how the big over blown shit can get annoying very quickly
@@leadisterribleI disagree there was no plastic feel. If anything, Moffat's stories always have a whiff of narcissism about them, I feel. I personally just don't like the grandiose story lines. I like the Doctor being quirky and approaching all living beings with wonder, no matter how ugly. With Moffat, the Doctor also got a bit racist, I feel.
@@shaquevara oh how was he racist? Just curious, not attacking or anything dw. I can see what u mean by the narcissism, I just prefer that over how stale chibnalls seasons feel? Idk I might be being too pretentious lol but I just think they shitty
I didn't really pay attention to most of the problems with this special. I was to focused on why Moffat gave the first Doctor that weird sexist attitude
Justin Mitchell. Me too. The first doctor wasn't a feminist icon or anything but he was fair for his day
Agreed, hell, if anything, he put down his male companions more and was generally kinder to his female companions. It's not exactly a pro feminist move, but it's not like he was sexist to begin with
I think I ended up fully noping out of Doctor Who after Capaldi's doctor called Clara ugly (can't remember the exact line). Clara, a bloody Disney princess in real life if I ever saw one. Lots of weird little lines like that during Moffat's run from all sorts of characters, and I hate it.
It was probably to further the idea moffat tried to push of him being unlike the other writers.
So he could show that his version of Doctor Who is way more progressive than the original show. Basically just Moffat patting himself on the back again
They say "the problem with Doctor Who is you sound mad when trying to explain it", and listing to you has never made that truer.
Post timeless child: Imagine thinking this was as bad as it gets
LMAOOO fr
that's what they needed innit?
thinking
Lol and then Flux happened. I scream and cry. God I hope the new series is good
"WHAT IF CYBERMAN SEXY???"
elly hocking cOvErEd in DeLiCiOuS sAuCe
I expected at least two hours, but I’m not complaining.
It's not about the length, it's how you use it.
Fucking hell, can't be summarise it in less than 10 minutes?
Harris: "Oh it's going to be Rubbish, isn't it?!"
Ten: "I'm sorry...I'm so sorry."
maybe it's because i'm american and know nothing about the series outside of your videos, but that "i am not a good dalek, you are a good dalek" line really took on a whole new meaning for me after the explanation behind the name rusty. i'm thinking of it as capaldi being a representation of all of moffat's decisions as showrunner, all of his writing and character work and most obviously the casting choice, and rusty as being... russ t. there's something telling about moffat writing a dalek named after his predecessor to say "i am not a good dalek, you are a good dalek", almost as if he's trying to tell himself that he's better than russ davies ever was. using the line again here in his final episode kinda hammers in that interpretation for me.
I dunno, Rusty's a pretty solid name for a broken Dalek--seems like a stretch. Also what would suggest that the Doctor would be a surrogate for Moffat? I'm not seeing it.
Cue vaporwave
Samsa I mean a lot of the time it looks like Moffat is specifically addressing RTD's era or trying to one-up it. 10 leaves with I dont wanna go and 12 leaves with I let you go, RTD had a guy that lived for a few billion years so Moff has a girl live for the entire length of the universe, stuff like that.
Regular Teller i think that that's more trying to raise the stakes & escalate the tension rather than some sort of snub, but that's just my perspective
It also gets super meta when you realize that being a good dalek isn't a good thing. The dalek is actually saying 'In your strive to be better than me, you have become what you most feared: bad'.
"It's not an evil plan" is actually a lovely idea for a Doctor Who episode, it shifts the focus of the final story this Doctor will ever carry from one of overcoming an antagonist to overcoming his personal struggle in the episode, choosing to let go of himself and continue to live - which I think it genuinely did quite well.
It’s really really good and sweet!!🥺🥺🥺
i love it in concept but the execution was terrible imo. like i genuinely got to the end of that episode and thought "so basically nothing happened". i feel like you could go from the end of world enough and time to the bit where capaldi is giving his last speech and not miss anything
I like this aesthetic, it's like you wandered into Cath Kidston and got lost, plonked yourself down on a nearby beanbag and filmed this to alleviate the boredom of awaiting rescue. I'm guessing they couldn't work out how to get the helicopter in through the ceiling to air lift you out.
The big library of dead people’s minds happens AGAIN in “the bells of St. John” when people’s minds are downloaded by the WiFi. That’s 4 times that plot line is used by moffat in one show, so ridiculous.
It’s a cool concept though. Oh, and also the concept of the bootstrap paradox is a staple of the show, did you notice? Sci-fi tropes can be re-used in a sci-fi show, to different effects hopefully-but-not-necessarily.
still better than randomly pull something out of time vortex's ars and thick plot armor
The way he remembers Clara is so pisstaking! Imagine if when the tenth doctor was saying goodbye to everyone Donna suddenly just remembered him like wth
She does kinda remember the Doctor and it breaks her in two. That is, in fact, a climactic moment of, the second part(?). I think that was the main reason in that episode that the Doctor couldn’t say a word to Donna.
Yeah RTD would never bring donna back would he
@@themightyjagrafess8596 LMAO that's a good one
It's even worse that they couldn't get Jenna on set to film anything so she's just on a fucking green screen in the BBC office in london. There's no emotional weight because we don't see the two of them on screen together and they're having conversations to no one
well not *quite* what happens but... how did you enjoy the 1st 60th special ?
That face of terror in the end is gonna keep me up all night, mostly giggling
Truth be told, I loved Capaldi as the Doctor, with a better showrunner I think he could have been the best incarnation of the Doctor. Sadly, I dislike this upcoming regeneration off the bat now just because I can't help but wish Capaldi got another season under a better showrunner before a regeneration, even though I bet the new regen will be good.
Bainbow I guarantee Capaldi will end up recording episodes for Big Finish
So glad I'm not the only one who's looking forward to it. It's been a long time coming--even Tom Baker wished his successor luck "whoever he or she would be" (his words).
Capaldi is so great! Everything about his casting is perfect! He was so goddamn wasted.
Well this aged poorly
@@owenchafer1083 Nah, Jodie was great. Showrunning was the issue, not the regeneration herself. Similar issue with Capaldi tbh.
So much optimism about how doctor who would turn out in the comments and the video... We can only hope rtd can revive doctor who twice
Who's a good Dalek? Who's a good Dalek? You are!!
You ARE a good Dalek...
*Wheels away off-screen*
"Difinitive proof that the british television industry is 12 people working together on 5 shows."
I respectfully disagree: Capaldi's final monologue absolutely brought me to tears.
Paul Brienza honestly same, but that could’ve just been I was devastated that capaldi was leaving and I’d heard such bad stuff about the next season
Its a great monologue. A really well written baton pass... if it had anything to do with the docters character arc.
Im honestly convinced the speech gaslit me into thinking what he was saying was adressesed in previous episodes in any depth
@@boserboser6870 It had everything to do with the Doctors arc. It was a culmination speech bout just being decent to people which was the whole point of his character arc. I swear some folks are a bit daft.
@@jordanfitzgerald7886 eh. I wasnt convinced of it as an arc. Its a good speech dont get me wrong. And im happy you found resolution in it that i didnt
@@jordanfitzgerald7886I meeean it's not really an arc if it happened in the gap between season 9 and 10. He just kinda decided he was a good guy now offscreen
I'm French and I like your style.
You got a new suscr... subcscr... buscr... a new one.
yeah English loves having a million consonants in a row.
Try welsh, know pain.
English with consonants is French with vowels. Why does "bird" in french have 7 letters? It doesn't need that many...
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[points at bird] Cette chose. 💀
This was the cutest and most wholesome TH-cam comment I've ever seen, and I wish I could like it a thousand times
As someone hearing this explanation who doesn’t follow this show at all.... it really sounds like your describing the plot of a really dumb anime series.
Honestly, that's not that far off.
They did recover a lost episode by animating it, so, it works?
All the best things sound like really dumb anime series when you describe them, really.
The first four seasons (with Davies as showrunner) are really, genuinely fun. They're creative, they're sappy in a good way, and the actors are great. Even though a good deal of the episodes are desperately silly, it's still human enough and lore-heavy enough that it just works and it's a great ride.
Personally, season 5 on just really could not interest me less. I really wasn't a Moffat fan.
I’ll be honest, I actually liked season 5 of Doctor quite a lot, and I have a big soft spot for Matt Smith’s tenure as a whole because of the goodwill that got from me, and also because I think his capacity to capture a lot of zany energy whilst still convincingly portraying an old man in a young man’s body is overlooked in part because of the writing often going a bit too far in the former department (honestly one of my favourite moments in the series is his monologue where he deduces that the spaceship they’re on is an authoritarian police state from the way a child is crying without it feeling like he’s spewing complete bullshit, it’s a better Sherlock moment than Sherlock), but even having said all of that I think most of Moffats creative decisions of have been utter shit and that it was only a slew of other good writers that stopped the first season from being bad (and even then, we get the stinker that is the victory of the daleks)
This is prob a weird observation but I super love the talking head with nice colorful background thing. The wallpaper's nice. Good shift. /thumbs up
ArcturusPlays yes
If only he was better looking
ralph he's beautiful fuck off
I feel you. I watched that bit a second time, I loved it that much.
You could make a video talking about The Golden Compass and how it completely betrays the source material, as well as all the religious issues surrounding his dark materials. I haven't seen anyone talk about that on youtube yet.
Oh man I would love that. One of my fave book series ever as a kid and I was tentatively excited about it getting a movie... and then... oh god
There's apparently a mini-series adaptation in the works from the BBC. Hopefully they do it more justice.
Yes! I devoured those books as a kid to the point that they changed my perspective on so many things. And then they shat out the worst, most unfaithful, not even based on the books movie I have ever seen. Ugh
I hated that movie and I've never even read the books.
I didn't hate the movie because I didn't see all the anti religious, mystical things and the visuals were cool. That is until I read the third book and the whole 'maybe, just maybe God is not that all powerful like they told us He is' pushed me into atheism
Even now I think the first two movies weren't as anti religious as believers see them. If person's faith was shaken just by reading them then the same effect would make reading history books
“It’s going to be rubbish, isn’t it” really hits different after however many series of Chris’s shit I’ve now had to sit through
I won't deny that Cyberwoman was atrocious but it would be nice if sometimes people also remembered that Chibnall wrote the well respected episodes Countrycide, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Adrift, and basically ended the show as it existed at the time with Fragments and Exit Wounds. He did some excellent work on Torchwood, and his episodes are why I still really love that show despite its low points.
The point of writing a show isn’t to appeal to everyone. The point of writing a show is to *TELL A GODDAMN STORY.*
Moffat does know that, right?
HBG: Maybe Doctor Who has a chance of being good again.
Chibnall: (maniacal laughing)
0:20
Hbomb confirmed to be part of a commulist criminal mastermind family.
C O M M U L I S T
fuggin BOLCHEVIGS
Now lets discuss the jq, the jjewish questionne
*COMULIST
ANERGISTS
The thing that really killed me about the "reunion" at the end of the special was that I thought it was with the database's reconstructions of the characters, not the characters themselves. Like the ending of AI, it felt hollow.
"It's going to be rubbish isn't it?"
Truly a prophet ahead of his time
Uhhhh, I sort of love you. You're my favorite TH-cam personality which phrase tastes as terrible coming out of my mouth as I'm sure it sounds. But regardless, you always give inciteful and hysterical commentary. You're tremendous.
Brooks Reeves look out, your commentary is inciteful.
BTW, a few memorable characters Moffat did not bring back in this episode:
River Song
Any of the 3 Ponds
Sgt Pink
Pvt Blue
Ramone
That makes for more notable people left behind than actually brought back in this episode.
Literally just seeing Donna pop up on the screen without you even mentioning her directly and her granddad saluting Ten almost made me cry ffs fucking Russell
RIP Bernard Cribbins
Whilst I guess the verdict on Chibnall can only ultimately be handed down after the end of the next season, I’m so far willing to forgive him for Cyberwoman. At least between the ten or so years between that and the latest season of Broadchurch, there’s been some demonstrable progress in his skills as a writer
...unlike Moffatt.
emmakatenotcake yeah. Broadchurch is fucking great for seasons 1 and 3 and good for season 2 all those came out after Cyberwoman. Also maybe it'll be a reverse Moffatt. Where he wrote some shit episodes only to go on to run the show with aplomb
But Broadchurch is for adults, (and crisp lovers) DW is for children, (and our lost youth.) Maybe Chibnall is a Fleming, though I suspect that he is more Cartland.
You do know showrunners can have creative range right?
And frankly, even with Chibnall ten years ago it wasn't all bad. Whilst it's by no means a universal opinion, I and at least a few others adore '42'
Do you honestly think that Steven Moffat has never shown any 'demonstrable skill' as a writer in his entire career (which doesn't only include DWho and Sherlock by the way)? This is really a whole new level of delusional.
I'll give Chris Chibnall a chance, but it'll set off some red flags if Jodie Whittaker ever gets doused in BBQ sauce...
I liked it till Orphan 55.
That is the way I wanna die. Exploding into light and fire while transforming into Jodie Whittaker.
anyone who thinks moffat doesn't have open contempt for the show is probably a lot happier than me
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He really managed to turn that into an argument.
It's because we caught him out on being a shit writer
Wasn't it Russell T Davies who called the fans of the old show 'mongs'?
+Jinuniki. No, just no. Moffat's seasons have been disappointing, but he's never written anything as buttock-clenchingly awful as Voyage of the Damned, Planet of the Dead, or that one where the guy sticks his knob in a paving slab with a face.
My main problem with this Christmas special was that Moffat CLEARLY doesn't know how to write the First Doctor's character. If you actually take the time to go back and watch a couple of One's episodes, it's like night and day with how differently the character is written. Honestly, I think this is the best Christmas special, but that doesn't mean it can't have its problems. I also wish that they had spent more time with the Tenth Planet perspective since it really just assumes you know what it is and what happened to go into it, which- let's be honest -most people watching just aren't going to know. Sorry for the long comment, I just felt I needed to get my thoughts down.
Whaterry yeah, both Doctor's previous stories that lead to his regeneration featured Mondasian Cybermen and they didn't even mention it.