Dante putting Boniface VIII in the 8th circle of hell was the ultimate power move, like how Michelangelo put Biagio da Cesena as the devil in the Sistine Chapel
It's very clever how he wrote it, though. They get to the bolgia for simony and find Pope Nicolas III. He mistakes Dante for Boniface and isn't surprised to see him there. When Virgil corrects him, he foresees that Boniface will join him soon.
In addition, T,. S. Eliot's poem _The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock_ begins with a quote from Dante's _Inferno_ . It is the lament of Guido I da Montefeltro, who was a military strategist before becoming a Friar. Dante says Guido, as a Friar, advised Boniface VII to negotiate with Palestrina and then betray them after they surrendered.
You have to understand that the papacy in the medieval ages was under the heavy influence of powerful kings who played a big role in determining who the next Pope would be. No wonder the Church had some of these erroneous characters in Saint Peter's throne.
Often it was the other way around, with powerful popes' installing European monarchs. This interplay between popes and princes continues unabated since Pope Gelasius I. Consider President Biden's 85-vehicle motorcade to visit Pope Francis in 2021. There is an intriguing modern metal statue of a pope and a king playing chess at Boniface VIII's palazzo in Anagni, where the notorious 1303 slap occurred.
@ mantrik007 iirc I think that this is a major element in the split with the Church of England. There had been tension between the Papacy and England for centuries because of this link, and that Henry VIII, whether correct or not, thought that the Papacy denying him an anullment and the chance for an heir was a continuation of this; his father had ended the War of the Roses, and he didn’t want the country to enter another period of instability. He was suspicious that this denial was French and Spanish influence to keep England weak and vulnerable to sink back into war. That doesn’t mean that the split was right, but that the story is much messier and complicated than “the Anglican Church started because Henry VIII wanted a divorce lol”.
??? What do you mean. Don't Catholics say the church is guided by the Holy Spirit? Because it was so long ago is your excuse about bad popes how do you explain Francis?
@@MatchOboxwhat about Francis? The church has yet to fall into heresy even with power hungry popes. It basically proves the church is guided by the Holy Spirit.
@@samueljennings4809One doesn’t split from the true Church for political reasons. England even used to be fiercely pro-Catholic and pro-Latin. They even backed the Pope in Rome against Avignon. Though you can argue that was because England was in conflict with France at the time. The tension wasn’t with the English people or the nation, but with the monarch.
Compared to some of these Popes, the complaints against the sitting pontiff seem rather mild. Some of the medieval Popes were, to be charitable, dirt bags.
Father, I enjoy the fact that in your videos in this channel and in others, you don't shy away from difficult subjects, or ones that depict The Church in bad light. Please keep up the good work. Also, the deadpan comedic timing is impeccable.
@@scotte2815 This is a Roman Catholic channel. They are in to that sort of thing. There is not much use trying to convince them, they don't believe in the sufficiency of scripture and have gone off script.. You knew this already though. It's futile. They aren't going to repent just because you remind them of what Jesus said.
@@br.m you make a good point, however, while you and I can never convince them the Holy Spirit can. I have no expectations concerning the romanists but I do let them know that people well grounded in scripture disagrees with their teachings
@@scotte2815 Honestly, I do the same.. Trying to let them know the truth of scripture. I guess its like Paul says in 1 Timothy 4: If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed.
Tbf someone at Ubisoft just has a hatred for Christianity. Still loves the games but it is quite conspicuous if you think about their choices of villains.
@@JRLeemanYeah, but just like the Romans, they're so easy to make as the bad guys. Also, goes to show how great the tolerance the Catholics have when they become the bad guys. Imagine making a game where you had to storm Mecca 😂
I can't remember the exact citation, but at one time there was a guy who converted to Catholicsm studying some of the bad Popes. His reasoning? "If those guys didn't bring absolute ruin to the church is proof that GOD HIMSELF wants the church to carry on"
The earliest version of it I know is a satirical story in the Decameron. A note if you want to look it up, it is almost the only SFW story in there, most of them are blisteringly rude. Given that, it may not have been the most serious pro-church argument.
G. K. Chesterson, an English Catholic, once said that any institution whose leadership was guilty of such knavish imbecility must enjoy the special protection of God.
As a Protestant, I'd like to point out that I'm sure that one could find some very bad characters among Protestant leaders too. For instance, like Pope Paul IV, Martin Luther was very anti-Semitic near the end of his life.
Yes that’s why he wanted to take Hebrews out of the Bible along with James and revelation. He actually did. And the 7 Old Testament books. A Protestant counsel later added back the new testament books
Leaders like that is why I appreciate our less centralized structure. Its like a monarchy vs a republic. At the same time, I feel like I hold the pope to higher standards then Protestant leadership sometimes. 🤣
In the recent modern age, all of the worst indulgences and financial corruption of the faith is happening in Protestant churches because there is no oversight beyond the Pastor / Board of the church. Catholic Priests are only given the income they make and the rest goes to the Church. Protestant Pastors / Boards get full secret control of their own finances to do with what they please. You won’t ever see a Catholic Priest brag about their private jet, but its increasingly common in some Protestant circles. That being said, all Protestants aren’t the same, but it’s a fair critique to make
I think that referring to Pope Paul IV as particularly anti-semitic makes less sense when you consider that the Roman ghetto wasn't abolished until the papal states were annexed by Italy in 1870. Paul IV is just the one that created it ...every other Pope, including several saints, kept it going for centuries and even expanded the ghettos.
Or indeed reinstated it. I think it was Pius VII who came back after Napoleon was defeated and found the Ghetto abolished, and then forced the Jews back in.
Anti-semitism is the antithesis of anti-Catholicism in my mind. Any Catholic that isn't supportive of the Jewish people seems to have skipped both testaments.
@@De-Nigma Ghettos in Italy are quite the story. 1st one was done in Venice. It's quite complicated matter. I should add tho that during that time many Jews were also killed or expelled throughout most of Europe. It's hard to judge but honestly, I don't see this particular action of Pius VII as reason for "the worst pope" because standards were different.
The Holy Spirit within all involved Popes must have been screaming at them. That they were unbothered is condemnation enough. For a monarch, I would say he acted within the zeitgeist of the times. But not for a Pope, who is supposed to be holy. Monarchs could be tolerated. The times were awful. A Pope still ought be condemned for his cruel actions.
For me knowing about these Popes used to be an argument for why I remained a Lutheran. Later I came to understand that they demonstrated God's faithfulness to His Bride even when she was lead by such evil men.
Which highlights the importance of the fundamental values of the Reformation, of sola scriptura and semper reformanda, which led to significant positive reforms outside and inside the institutional church of rome but which would not have happened within the theological framework of the institutional church. These foundational values which continue to be rejected by Rome today 👍
@@wondergolderneyes Sola scriptura is self defeating, no evidence for it in Scripture. VII addresses most of these issues. The Lutheran Church is an institutional Church, the RCC is by no means the only institutional Church. Secondly, the RCC agrees with Luther on a great many points, but Luther took things too far theologically, he is theologically incorrect hence his reformation was a failure, in that it split the Church, the Reformation was the most catastrophic event in European history. Protestantism, in it's many iterations in on the decline, as so is the RCC but a great many Protestants are returning to the One True Church, because the experiment has ran its course. I know you probably won't agree, but it is what it is.
@wondergolderneyes I used think as you do, and obviously no longer do. The Church has reformed many times in her life, and will continue to do so. But breaking her into pieces can never be the ultimate outcome since it violates the will of Christ Himself (John 17) and defies the warnings of virtually every letter writer of the NT. May we be as one as He and the Father are one.
@@briantrafford4871 As long as Rome continues to bind our consciences about things which scripture bears no witness to (Marian dogmas, papal infallibility, 7 sacraments, etc), and it must continue in them because they have been declared infallible doctrines, then I will continue to be protestant but unified by the Holy Spirit with regenerate Catholics through faith in Christ Jesus. Scripture bears strong witness to the perfection of God compared to the imperfection of man, and just because many men get together does not change that, infallibility is reserved for God alone. The continuity of the church does not necessitate infallibility or even the upholding of Rome as an institution, even though it obviously has been upheld in that way. God has demonstrated in Scripture the way that he has upheld his people Israel in the past until the Messiah, and many times that is through faithful remnants, independent of the monarchy or even the priesthood when they fall into idolatry and depravity. Rome claims go too far.
Thank you for addressing the good, the bad, and the ugly of our Catholic faith. I think knowing the highs and lows of our church and faith helps provide perspective and also shows that if God can give grace through the worst of our moments, how much more can he do when we are at our best?
Thank you ,Father Casey, for these wonderful history lessons. Occupying the office of the Pope is no guarantee of the moral excellence of the occupant. This engaging history lesson from Father Casey perfectly illustrates that. Whether the person sitting on the throne of St. Peter is morally exemplary or a complete degenerate, the Church's moral authority is neither bolstered nor discredited by the moral excellence or failures of the person occupying this seat. Rather, the moral authority of the Church is rooted in the Holy Spirit.
If the action or inaction of the incumbent is as incidental as you maintain, isn't it the natural conclusion that the office of pope itself is superfluous?
Huh? I bet many people who were going to convert have put that on hold. They see, like I do, a Peronist power grasping ideologist who wants to take the Church down a path Christ and all the Apostles find immoral. I am a late life Convert. I'm beginning to think I made a mistake. Not only do we have a bad Pope. We have complacent members who say God will sort all out. GOD WORKS THROUGH PEOPLE. This power of an unremovable monarch is far beyond me. I accept Jesus because he is God. Brogolio is not God. So stop cow towing to him like he is holy. Bergolio is not holy. And I may have made a mistake becoming Catholic. All of this is insane! I am looking at Eastern Orthodox. Now I see why they don't have a Pope!
@@helpmaboabb The Pope is only considered infallible when he is speaking Ex Cathedra, otherwise he's just as much of a mess as anyone else in the Church. There have been Popes who have said stuff (preaching from their own pulpit of St. John Lateran Basilica) that's a total 180 from what the Church teaches, yet we're still here, a hospital for sinners and not a hotel for saints. I have total confidence that the Church is led by God through the Holy Spirit, or else it should have collapsed with the Apostles.
Father, I love the way you don't shy away from the issues the Church has experienced throughout its long history. As Catholics, we need to be aware of the whole Church and its place in the world as well as its faults brought on by humans. The Bible is full of the same types of things. We are all people and are sinners otherwise we wouldn't need a church. Go d Bless you, Father!
Gah! Thank you for this video 🤣 Advent and Christmas this year the question of “who is your favourite pope” came up a few times. It’s so refreshing to hear the nasty ones lol
Thank you Father for this video. Our Parrish priest gave a similar sermon a month or two ago. These are challenging times and your video and his sermon help put things in perspective. Keep up the great work!
Fr Casey again another amazing video!! Thank you for all the time it takes to make these. I learn so much about my faith. You and Fr Mike really need to get together and do a project. You are both amazing m n of God.
Ok good video. This sparks one of my biggest questions for the Catholic Church as a Protestant who enjoys your content. How do Catholics reconcile this history with the idea that the modern papacy still hold important secrets passed down from the apostles? I could be misinformed by that, but if so, what makes the pope any more special than a president etc? Genuinely curious for a Catholic's perspective. Thanks!
I’m no expert, but essentially, it’s a mix of both the holy spirit, and the council of the Magisterium. Remember, papal infallibility only applies to a select few scenarios, and outside of that, the pope is indeed just a man, in need of God and good counsel like any other.
St. Robert Bellarmine tackled the question about the difference in spiritual and temporal power. These are two separate realms. St. Augustine wrote his book "City of God" addressing this same issue. Bellarmine explained the spiritual realm as the "empire of souls" and the temporal realm essentially rules over physical aspects. A king, president, congress or parliament have no right to control the souls of the people and any government which works to control the souls of the people is doing a great injustice to those people. That is why Marxism has been so disastrous. The pope of the Catholic Church in particular has had the role of being the premier spiritual leader in the world, not that he rules over all other churches, but he is in a position where his influence is greater because of the world stage. A pope is the spiritual leader of the Catholic Church. A president is the temporal leader of the United States of America. Our Founders understood this difference very well and their understanding of freedom of religion follows the understanding of St. Robert Bellarmine. When each realm respects the other realm and does not cross the line of trying to conquer the power of the other realm, then there is a truly peaceful co-existence and the people are free.
Thanks. I needed this today. My parish has the most immature self-centered priest I have ever met. I kept reminding myself of Judas and 1/12, but this really helped put it into perspective. Christ is still in control.
Thank you. I enjoy your videos. Forgive me if I have missed out on some videos you may have already posted, but I would appreciate hearing about the various books of the old and new testament: not all of them but the prophets and prophesies, the judges, the Gospels, Revelation.... Thank you, Father.
Very interesting video! Also, am I the only one who really wants to know what conversation was happening in the background outside the door of the office/studio?
As a protestant, one of the things I really like about this channel is that Father Casey isn't afraid to admit that Leo X was a jerk and that Luther and Calvin had a point about indulgences.
Luther was not a jurk; he was a wicked antisemitic who denigrated women, Muslims, and essentially about tax avoidance. Let's face it; most Religious leaders are nasty: regardless which church
I do wonder, though, how much of the indulgences controversy is the fault of Leo X versus, say, the unscrupulous rhetoric and tactics of Johann Tetzel, who really went buck wild with indulgences to the point that Martin Luther called him out by name, repeatedly.
@@lilliedoubleyou3865 a significant part of the problem with Leo was that selling indulgences *at all* was highly controversial, but he allowed (and at least partially encouraged) it nonetheless. Some people think Luthier called out Tetzel so much because he (somewhat naively) didn’t think the pope was fully aware of what men like Tetzel were doing. That said, eventually *everyone* agreed that Tetzel went too far (except for Tetzel, who claimed he hadn’t gone as far as Luther said he had).
Leo X 's sin is not like Luther who apostasised from the Church. Their sins were the usual sins man may commit. But does they changed the doctrine of the Catholic Church? No. Does Luther preached other doctrines? Yes. Even in the circle of Jesus' apostles, there is Judas Iscariot. Bad popes represented by Judas, but the Church still continues to shine, despite a sinful bishop. Catholic Church is not like re[de]formation who promised a 'reform', but was shattered into different groups later on.
Both entertaining and thoughtful in presentstion of this colourful history we have. Great observation and hopeful joy in the celebration of good not being ruined by some bad eggs. A delight to watch and listen too...thank you.
When speaking on certain subjects, and only from his throne (ex cathedra), and while invoking the doctrine of infallibility, the Pope is believed to be disallowed by the Holy Spirit to make an error. This doctrine has only really been used a couple of times, and that was mostly to set up the doctrine and affirm it. The Pope doesn't really have much need to use it for most things, since its meant for very serious changes to doctrine. A lot of people think it means 'the pope is always right', but he can lie like anyone else, it's just believed that he's guided by faith to avoid it.
@@vincentperratore4395Exactly, the Ex Cathedra Declarations, which has happened like, what, two times in the whole history of the Church? All other writings and documents of a Pope can, technically, be revised and adjusted as necessary. It just happens that they are usually so good and in line with Church teaching and showcasing such great wisdom, that while not done Ex Cathedra they are considered to be pretty much set in stone, but that doesn't mean there can't be a few exceptions here and there where a change would be in order by another future Pope.
@@GranMaese _"which has happened like, what, two times in the whole history of the Church?"_ According to _one_ analysis. I just read a passage in Pastor Aeternus suggesting very much that there is an "infallible ordinary magisterium" (exercised inter alia by approving local synods).
Papal Infallibility is exercised only when a matter of Faith or Morals has been commonly held by the Church through the ages. He cannot invent or 'reinterpret' Faith or Morals. He would not be infallible if he expanded the doctrine of Priesthood to include women. He could declare as Doctrine two natures in Christ a Doctrine as Pope Leo I did in 499. Throughouthistory, Doctrine is only defined Infallible by the Pope or a Theological Council Document when there is a strong opposition to the Doctrine.. (Many Council Documents do not address Theological issues. Very few Papal documents define Doctrine.)
This was actually a video I really wanted. While on paper, I truly trust Christ words and his church and I affirm in that belief as the one true holy and apostolic church It gets really disheartening when you read history and see the corruption that happened durning different time periods. But if Judas, who was an apóstoles betrayed Jesus, than of course other men will as well
@@thomasbrown3793 hmm, that’s a fair point actually. Which is why my 2024 resolution is Just increase The Trust and appreciation in our Lord 2023, it was the year I learned plenty of theological, historical, and biblical information, so now I’m more focused on the spiritual aspect.
It's sad to think that with a little more humility and integrity in some of the Pope's there might not have been a Protestant split. Even Luther himself never wanted to split from the Catholic church even as it was happening around him. And while the Counter Reformation fixed a lot of the corruption he and others complained about, the damage was done by that point. But as you said Father Casey, Christ ultimately leads the Church, not people. We can be thankful for that.
At 5:52, you might need to go back and edit as you say Pope Paul VI, but mean to say Pope Paul IV. Someone else might have said so, seeing as though there are 112 comments.
In numerous narratives, it is commonly known that there once existed a Pope who was merely eighteen years old. It is not surprising that during that era, the number of believers was quite limited.🤔 Thomas George (Syro-malabar church)
Mine too, but more because the Borgia choice is a midwit choice. Or a choice for 17 year old highwits. When we get older, if our IQs are in triple digits, we learn that the Borgia mission was to save the papacy from becoming the plaything of French or Italian warlords. [The Borjas were Catalans.]
I wish people would stop saying sold indulgences. If the money was charitably given for St. peters basillica, then that's just an indulgence. If a cleric said gives me money and I'll give you an indulgence, then that would be selling. Charitable donations are indulgences.
It was very very far from "charitably giving money for St. Peter's basilica". They were basically selling indulgences under pretension of getting relatives of the people who buy indulgences from purgatory. One of the most famous sellers of indulgences apparently said: "As soon as a coin in the coffer rings the soul from purgatory springs." Just read about Johann Tetzel. It will make your skin crawl.
I've been saying this for a long time. We've had a lot of bad popes! Compared to our actual worst popes, Pope Francis isn't that bad. I actually don't think his holiness is bad at all, but that's another thing entirely. Thank you for this video, Fr. Casey!
@@danielyoung5137you arrived to the infallibility of the pope, apostolic succession, Mary worship, Eucharistic canabalism from the Bible? Which one were you reading?
Rather than an argument which will profit neither of us l’d like to suggest you sit down with your aforementioned list in one hand and the Catechism, indexed, in the other and carefully note its explanation of each point you are making. That is no worse than stringing disparate Scriptures together to come to a unified conclusion. No Catholic will do that, especially with a Bible that Martin Luther already discarded six books from in attempting to “purify” it from Catholic doctrinal errors. Thanks for your time.
Thank you for being open and honest about these men. I find that too often Catholic sources tend to sweep them under the rug and pretend like these things never happened.
Boa noite garoto, meu domínio de conhecimento e educação sobre meu idioma e minha gramática é ótimo, e me orgulho disso. Tenho 57 anos, e sou acadêmico no curso de bacharel em geografia . A dificuldade que tive para lhe compreender me motivou agora a frequentar um curso em inglês. Quanto às informações e conhecimento que o senhor esclareceu em seu trabalho são para mim úteis. Thanks .
@bobaphat3676 I looked real hard through all 73 books of the Bible and could not square "blessing homosexual couple". This Pope is not a good Pope. There have been better. If that is the "biased " you speak of, you need to: 1. Get your eyes checked. 2. Give your head a shake. 3. Repent and receive Jesus Christ for you like me and our current Pope are sinners in need of Christ's redeeming love. 4. Confess to your priest that you think homosexuality is ok which is a sin. Repent and do no more. 5. Pray the full Rosary every day. Ave Maria Mater Dei. ROMANS 8
I’m not even Catholic but I was explaining to one of my friends that just because Pope Francis may not be the best pope ever by everyone’s standards, but that the Church has survived MUCH worse.
We won't throw away the Papacy Jesus instituted because of a few bad people who were in the office. Would you say Ancient Israel shouldn't have kings because of the likes of Ahab? Would you say we shouldn't have politicians because some are corrupt? Would you say your protestant churches shouldn't have pastors or preachers or whatever because some are evil? No. Try to reorient your mindset. God bless.
@@noel_112 God didn't want Israel to have a human king. Their king was supposed to be God. He allowed them to have a king out of the hardness of their heart. Politicians are part of the secular world system, not the Kingdom of God, so comparing the two isn't helpful. Protestant churches don't consider pastors or preachers to have authority similar to the Pope nor the ability to speak new infallible doctrines so that comparison also falls flat.
@@ninjason57 God was not against monarchy in Israel. The people rejected God. That was the situation not monarchy. God himself said he would raise kings out of the descendants of Abraham and then a few hundred later, he gave Moses rules concerning the conduct of kings in Israel. Deut 17:14-15. For your second point, that doesn't address the situation. The original comment says we shouldn't have pope's because some popes were bad. This is universal because in every office, there would always be a bad person at some point in time. It applies both to secular and spiritual offices, and even if I was wrong, that is still not a good reason to throw out the Papacy because 1. It was instituted by Christ himself. 2. Those bad popes certainly were not following the rules set for the Papacy. As for your final objection, you seem to say that protestant pastoral ministry can keep running despite having bad people in office but not the Catholics? That seems really hypocritical. My for this objection can be found in the reply to your previous objection aswell. Please refer to that. God bless.
@paulnebeling2068 in protestantism no one idolises or adores one human as better and closer to God than another. We are all given gifts to use for the church. If you regard the pope as being an administrator who tries to run the church as best he can then that's ok because any organisation has someone at the top. If you regard him as being extra special and closer to God and better in any way then I think that's silly. I haven't heard any teachings from any pope that were particularly life changing or amazing. Neither have I known any pope to perform miracles over and above that are freely available at any bible believing church. The popes I've seen are all good, pleasant, holy men who do their best. Are they extra special? No. They are administrators and managers. They have God given skill in that regard, but everyone in the church has a gift or takent from God.
If these bad popes where supposed to be infallible because they were Christ’s vicarious what makes you think the popes of the last century and this century are better?
If you're interested, could you speak more in depth about both active religious life as well as consecrated life. Life as both a nun and a monk? How to discern the call to this life and what the entire process looks like? If you want to, could really use more insight
I heard someone describe it that back then being a Pope was similar to being a celebrity, so understandably it attracted a lot of corrupt money-hungry men whereas now we have actual positions like being a celebrity or influencer etc. so to be a Pope now it's typically because you're actually devout
My fav Pope moment was when Goldwater was in office. The Pope then was condemning over population because too many couples had too many children. Goldwater came back at him with "You no playa the game, you no maka the rules."
3:55 Boniface to Philip : "ausculta filii" Philip to Boniface : sends an army, captures the Pope, beats him up ... Reminds me of Linus and Hercules. Obviously, Boniface was the bad guy, right ...? Who'd _dream_ of blaming an actual wordly sovereign?
As do I. I'm trying to figure out why they believe the multitude of nonsense they spew lol. I have actually been studying them for quite some time. Their is so much being taught that is false. They typically have a 100 page quote as to why it's not but it can always be destroyed providing a person isn't lazy. The Catholic Church banks on lazy...
Dante putting Boniface VIII in the 8th circle of hell was the ultimate power move, like how Michelangelo put Biagio da Cesena as the devil in the Sistine Chapel
It's very clever how he wrote it, though. They get to the bolgia for simony and find Pope Nicolas III. He mistakes Dante for Boniface and isn't surprised to see him there. When Virgil corrects him, he foresees that Boniface will join him soon.
"nice argument, however i wrote a book where you're in hell and i'm the chad"
In addition, T,. S. Eliot's poem _The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock_ begins with a quote from Dante's _Inferno_ . It is the lament of Guido I da Montefeltro, who was a military strategist before becoming a Friar. Dante says Guido, as a Friar, advised Boniface VII to negotiate with Palestrina and then betray them after they surrendered.
@Chunkietawho is that?
@@nicholegallo1090 prophet of islam
Fr. Casey I noticed a bit of an error in your video. The anti-Semitic Pope is Paul IV, not Pope Saint Paul VI!
Great callout, Matthew!
Yeah, I was thinking you mean the Pope from the 1960s? What?
Based Paul IV
Did you notice the pop-out that stated the error?
@@mlp023 didn’t see that. Maybe it’s not available on mobile. Was watching this vid on my phone.
You have to understand that the papacy in the medieval ages was under the heavy influence of powerful kings who played a big role in determining who the next Pope would be. No wonder the Church had some of these erroneous characters in Saint Peter's throne.
Often it was the other way around, with powerful popes' installing European monarchs. This interplay between popes and princes continues unabated since Pope Gelasius I. Consider President Biden's 85-vehicle motorcade to visit Pope Francis in 2021.
There is an intriguing modern metal statue of a pope and a king playing chess at Boniface VIII's palazzo in Anagni, where the notorious 1303 slap occurred.
@ mantrik007 iirc I think that this is a major element in the split with the Church of England. There had been tension between the Papacy and England for centuries because of this link, and that Henry VIII, whether correct or not, thought that the Papacy denying him an anullment and the chance for an heir was a continuation of this; his father had ended the War of the Roses, and he didn’t want the country to enter another period of instability. He was suspicious that this denial was French and Spanish influence to keep England weak and vulnerable to sink back into war.
That doesn’t mean that the split was right, but that the story is much messier and complicated than “the Anglican Church started because Henry VIII wanted a divorce lol”.
??? What do you mean. Don't Catholics say the church is guided by the Holy Spirit?
Because it was so long ago is your excuse about bad popes how do you explain Francis?
@@MatchOboxwhat about Francis?
The church has yet to fall into heresy even with power hungry popes. It basically proves the church is guided by the Holy Spirit.
@@samueljennings4809One doesn’t split from the true Church for political reasons. England even used to be fiercely pro-Catholic and pro-Latin. They even backed the Pope in Rome against Avignon. Though you can argue that was because England was in conflict with France at the time. The tension wasn’t with the English people or the nation, but with the monarch.
Compared to some of these Popes, the complaints against the sitting pontiff seem rather mild. Some of the medieval Popes were, to be charitable, dirt bags.
Some rando: "Pope Franics is too political!!!"
Me: *Looks at the Borgia and the Medic Popes* Yeeaaah, naw.
Frank is still pretty bad.
People just like drama
No, Pope Feelgood is leading the church towards total secularization.
The Borgias do not pertain to medieval times...
Great summary on papal history and reminder that “Our faith is not in their holiness but in Christ”.
Father, I enjoy the fact that in your videos in this channel and in others, you don't shy away from difficult subjects, or ones that depict The Church in bad light. Please keep up the good work.
Also, the deadpan comedic timing is impeccable.
Call no man father
@@scotte2815 This is a Roman Catholic channel. They are in to that sort of thing. There is not much use trying to convince them, they don't believe in the sufficiency of scripture and have gone off script.. You knew this already though. It's futile. They aren't going to repent just because you remind them of what Jesus said.
@@br.m you make a good point, however, while you and I can never convince them the Holy Spirit can.
I have no expectations concerning the romanists but I do let them know that people well grounded in scripture disagrees with their teachings
@@scotte2815 Honestly, I do the same.. Trying to let them know the truth of scripture.
I guess its like Paul says in 1 Timothy 4: If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed.
@@scotte2815 So by this logic i can't call my Father "Father"? The verse just means you can't call someone the "Father" which is a title for God
A pope so bad that he became an Assasins Creed villain.
Tbf someone at Ubisoft just has a hatred for Christianity. Still loves the games but it is quite conspicuous if you think about their choices of villains.
The story is based around gnosticism, which as you said, likes to twist Christianity.
@@JRLeemanYeah, but just like the Romans, they're so easy to make as the bad guys. Also, goes to show how great the tolerance the Catholics have when they become the bad guys. Imagine making a game where you had to storm Mecca 😂
@@bendover9620bro, this would have a horrible outcome 😭🙏
I can't remember the exact citation, but at one time there was a guy who converted to Catholicsm studying some of the bad Popes.
His reasoning?
"If those guys didn't bring absolute ruin to the church is proof that GOD HIMSELF wants the church to carry on"
The earliest version of it I know is a satirical story in the Decameron. A note if you want to look it up, it is almost the only SFW story in there, most of them are blisteringly rude. Given that, it may not have been the most serious pro-church argument.
I like that
G. K. Chesterson, an English Catholic, once said that any institution whose leadership was guilty of such knavish imbecility must enjoy the special protection of God.
As a Protestant, I'd like to point out that I'm sure that one could find some very bad characters among Protestant leaders too. For instance, like Pope Paul IV, Martin Luther was very anti-Semitic near the end of his life.
Yes that’s why he wanted to take Hebrews out of the Bible along with James and revelation. He actually did. And the 7 Old Testament books. A Protestant counsel later added back the new testament books
@@mrsandmom5947 I have a German Lutherbible from 1545, the New Testament is equal to the Roman Catholic Canon.
Leaders like that is why I appreciate our less centralized structure. Its like a monarchy vs a republic. At the same time, I feel like I hold the pope to higher standards then Protestant leadership sometimes. 🤣
And also the whole thing with John Calvin and Michael Servetus
In the recent modern age, all of the worst indulgences and financial corruption of the faith is happening in Protestant churches because there is no oversight beyond the Pastor / Board of the church. Catholic Priests are only given the income they make and the rest goes to the Church. Protestant Pastors / Boards get full secret control of their own finances to do with what they please. You won’t ever see a Catholic Priest brag about their private jet, but its increasingly common in some Protestant circles.
That being said, all Protestants aren’t the same, but it’s a fair critique to make
I think that referring to Pope Paul IV as particularly anti-semitic makes less sense when you consider that the Roman ghetto wasn't abolished until the papal states were annexed by Italy in 1870. Paul IV is just the one that created it ...every other Pope, including several saints, kept it going for centuries and even expanded the ghettos.
Or indeed reinstated it. I think it was Pius VII who came back after Napoleon was defeated and found the Ghetto abolished, and then forced the Jews back in.
Anti-semitism is the antithesis of anti-Catholicism in my mind. Any Catholic that isn't supportive of the Jewish people seems to have skipped both testaments.
@@De-Nigma Ghettos in Italy are quite the story. 1st one was done in Venice. It's quite complicated matter. I should add tho that during that time many Jews were also killed or expelled throughout most of Europe. It's hard to judge but honestly, I don't see this particular action of Pius VII as reason for "the worst pope" because standards were different.
and if that makes them "antisemitic", so what? Jewry really was and still is a threat to Christianity.
The Holy Spirit within all involved Popes must have been screaming at them. That they were unbothered is condemnation enough. For a monarch, I would say he acted within the zeitgeist of the times. But not for a Pope, who is supposed to be holy. Monarchs could be tolerated. The times were awful. A Pope still ought be condemned for his cruel actions.
For me knowing about these Popes used to be an argument for why I remained a Lutheran. Later I came to understand that they demonstrated God's faithfulness to His Bride even when she was lead by such evil men.
Which highlights the importance of the fundamental values of the Reformation, of sola scriptura and semper reformanda, which led to significant positive reforms outside and inside the institutional church of rome but which would not have happened within the theological framework of the institutional church. These foundational values which continue to be rejected by Rome today 👍
@@wondergolderneyes Sola scriptura is self defeating, no evidence for it in Scripture. VII addresses most of these issues. The Lutheran Church is an institutional Church, the RCC is by no means the only institutional Church.
Secondly, the RCC agrees with Luther on a great many points, but Luther took things too far theologically, he is theologically incorrect hence his reformation was a failure, in that it split the Church, the Reformation was the most catastrophic event in European history. Protestantism, in it's many iterations in on the decline, as so is the RCC but a great many Protestants are returning to the One True Church, because the experiment has ran its course. I know you probably won't agree, but it is what it is.
@wondergolderneyes I used think as you do, and obviously no longer do. The Church has reformed many times in her life, and will continue to do so. But breaking her into pieces can never be the ultimate outcome since it violates the will of Christ Himself (John 17) and defies the warnings of virtually every letter writer of the NT.
May we be as one as He and the Father are one.
@@briantrafford4871 As long as Rome continues to bind our consciences about things which scripture bears no witness to (Marian dogmas, papal infallibility, 7 sacraments, etc), and it must continue in them because they have been declared infallible doctrines, then I will continue to be protestant but unified by the Holy Spirit with regenerate Catholics through faith in Christ Jesus. Scripture bears strong witness to the perfection of God compared to the imperfection of man, and just because many men get together does not change that, infallibility is reserved for God alone. The continuity of the church does not necessitate infallibility or even the upholding of Rome as an institution, even though it obviously has been upheld in that way. God has demonstrated in Scripture the way that he has upheld his people Israel in the past until the Messiah, and many times that is through faithful remnants, independent of the monarchy or even the priesthood when they fall into idolatry and depravity. Rome claims go too far.
@@bobaphat3676sola scriptura doesn’t mean that we trust nobody on the Bible.
Thank you for addressing the good, the bad, and the ugly of our Catholic faith. I think knowing the highs and lows of our church and faith helps provide perspective and also shows that if God can give grace through the worst of our moments, how much more can he do when we are at our best?
The definition of a rhetorical question
You should do one about the 8 best popes in history!
He'll probably put Francis on the list...
@@prfesrfrink Probably
You'd have to first define what makes a "great" or "best" pope, which is trickier than for a secular ruler.
Saint Peter, Clement of Rome, Gregory the Great, Leo I, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul II, Pius X
Being a pope is automatically antichrist
Thank you ,Father Casey, for these wonderful history lessons. Occupying the office of the Pope is no guarantee of the moral excellence of the occupant. This engaging history lesson from Father Casey perfectly illustrates that. Whether the person sitting on the throne of St. Peter is morally exemplary or a complete degenerate, the Church's moral authority is neither bolstered nor discredited by the moral excellence or failures of the person occupying this seat. Rather, the moral authority of the Church is rooted in the Holy Spirit.
If the action or inaction of the incumbent is as incidental as you maintain, isn't it the natural conclusion that the office of pope itself is superfluous?
@@helpmaboabb No. One could be flawed in ones own moral actions, but still stand and promote for what is righteous through being a teacher.
Huh? I bet many people who were going to convert have put that on hold. They see, like I do, a Peronist power grasping ideologist who wants to take the Church down a path Christ and all the Apostles find immoral.
I am a late life Convert. I'm beginning to think I made a mistake. Not only do we have a bad Pope. We have complacent members who say God will sort all out. GOD WORKS THROUGH PEOPLE. This power of an unremovable monarch is far beyond me. I accept Jesus because he is God. Brogolio is not God.
So stop cow towing to him like he is holy. Bergolio is not holy.
And I may have made a mistake becoming Catholic. All of this is insane! I am looking at Eastern Orthodox. Now I see why they don't have a Pope!
@@alphacauseshouldn't the standard be just a little higher for infallible popes?
@@helpmaboabb The Pope is only considered infallible when he is speaking Ex Cathedra, otherwise he's just as much of a mess as anyone else in the Church. There have been Popes who have said stuff (preaching from their own pulpit of St. John Lateran Basilica) that's a total 180 from what the Church teaches, yet we're still here, a hospital for sinners and not a hotel for saints. I have total confidence that the Church is led by God through the Holy Spirit, or else it should have collapsed with the Apostles.
Father, I love the way you don't shy away from the issues the Church has experienced throughout its long history. As Catholics, we need to be aware of the whole Church and its place in the world as well as its faults brought on by humans. The Bible is full of the same types of things. We are all people and are sinners otherwise we wouldn't need a church. Go d Bless you, Father!
The conclusion of the video is very touching…
Thanks for sharing this Fr. Casey! God Bless you. 🙏
Gah! Thank you for this video 🤣
Advent and Christmas this year the question of “who is your favourite pope” came up a few times. It’s so refreshing to hear the nasty ones lol
The gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Thank you Father for this video. Our Parrish priest gave a similar sermon a month or two ago. These are challenging times and your video and his sermon help put things in perspective. Keep up the great work!
Always enjoy your videos Father! Thank you!😊🙏
Fr Casey again another amazing video!! Thank you for all the time it takes to make these. I learn so much about my faith. You and Fr Mike really need to get together and do a project. You are both amazing m n of God.
we should get a top 8 amazing popes to show that the pontiff has many more hits than misses
Of course Ezio Auditore's nemesis is here.
Ok good video. This sparks one of my biggest questions for the Catholic Church as a Protestant who enjoys your content. How do Catholics reconcile this history with the idea that the modern papacy still hold important secrets passed down from the apostles? I could be misinformed by that, but if so, what makes the pope any more special than a president etc? Genuinely curious for a Catholic's perspective. Thanks!
I’m no expert, but essentially, it’s a mix of both the holy spirit, and the council of the Magisterium. Remember, papal infallibility only applies to a select few scenarios, and outside of that, the pope is indeed just a man, in need of God and good counsel like any other.
Satire as always @@jaegercat6702
St. Robert Bellarmine tackled the question about the difference in spiritual and temporal power. These are two separate realms. St. Augustine wrote his book "City of God" addressing this same issue. Bellarmine explained the spiritual realm as the "empire of souls" and the temporal realm essentially rules over physical aspects. A king, president, congress or parliament have no right to control the souls of the people and any government which works to control the souls of the people is doing a great injustice to those people. That is why Marxism has been so disastrous. The pope of the Catholic Church in particular has had the role of being the premier spiritual leader in the world, not that he rules over all other churches, but he is in a position where his influence is greater because of the world stage. A pope is the spiritual leader of the Catholic Church. A president is the temporal leader of the United States of America. Our Founders understood this difference very well and their understanding of freedom of religion follows the understanding of St. Robert Bellarmine. When each realm respects the other realm and does not cross the line of trying to conquer the power of the other realm, then there is a truly peaceful co-existence and the people are free.
A very timely video filled with hope. Thanks Fr Casey.
Thanks. I needed this today. My parish has the most immature self-centered priest I have ever met. I kept reminding myself of Judas and 1/12, but this really helped put it into perspective. Christ is still in control.
Thank you. I enjoy your videos. Forgive me if I have missed out on some videos you may have already posted, but I would appreciate hearing about the various books of the old and new testament: not all of them but the prophets and prophesies, the judges, the Gospels, Revelation.... Thank you, Father.
Very interesting video! Also, am I the only one who really wants to know what conversation was happening in the background outside the door of the office/studio?
I❤ the final words ''our hope is not in their holiness it's in Christ''✨⛪
As a protestant, one of the things I really like about this channel is that Father Casey isn't afraid to admit that Leo X was a jerk and that Luther and Calvin had a point about indulgences.
It’s like the Pope celebrating Luther. Madness
Luther was not a jurk; he was a wicked antisemitic who denigrated women, Muslims, and essentially about tax avoidance.
Let's face it; most Religious leaders are nasty: regardless which church
I do wonder, though, how much of the indulgences controversy is the fault of Leo X versus, say, the unscrupulous rhetoric and tactics of Johann Tetzel, who really went buck wild with indulgences to the point that Martin Luther called him out by name, repeatedly.
@@lilliedoubleyou3865 a significant part of the problem with Leo was that selling indulgences *at all* was highly controversial, but he allowed (and at least partially encouraged) it nonetheless. Some people think Luthier called out Tetzel so much because he (somewhat naively) didn’t think the pope was fully aware of what men like Tetzel were doing. That said, eventually *everyone* agreed that Tetzel went too far (except for Tetzel, who claimed he hadn’t gone as far as Luther said he had).
Leo X 's sin is not like Luther who apostasised from the Church. Their sins were the usual sins man may commit. But does they changed the doctrine of the Catholic Church? No.
Does Luther preached other doctrines? Yes.
Even in the circle of Jesus' apostles, there is Judas Iscariot. Bad popes represented by Judas, but the Church still continues to shine, despite a sinful bishop.
Catholic Church is not like re[de]formation who promised a 'reform', but was shattered into different groups later on.
Both entertaining and thoughtful in presentstion of this colourful history we have. Great observation and hopeful joy in the celebration of good not being ruined by some bad eggs. A delight to watch and listen too...thank you.
I love your videos Fr.!
May Christ continue to grow His church especially in these modern days of perversion
Pay attention. I think the priest was pointing out that perversion was anything but a modern invention.
I like how you listed what you liked the most about the recent popes at the start
This is the beauty of Catholicism,
We never justifies the bad things done by our ancestors.
Awesome!!! Would love more of this kind of history videos 😃😃
No Honorius I, a Pope so bad he was condemned by both an Ecumenical Council *and* another Pope?
Father Casey this was wonderfully said! Bravo, thank you,& God bless you
Interesting. What do you think about papal infallibility dogma? As a Catholic, I sometimes struggle to understand it
same
When speaking on certain subjects, and only from his throne (ex cathedra), and while invoking the doctrine of infallibility, the Pope is believed to be disallowed by the Holy Spirit to make an error. This doctrine has only really been used a couple of times, and that was mostly to set up the doctrine and affirm it. The Pope doesn't really have much need to use it for most things, since its meant for very serious changes to doctrine. A lot of people think it means 'the pope is always right', but he can lie like anyone else, it's just believed that he's guided by faith to avoid it.
Papal infalability originates from Vatican I. It is rarely used for good reason.
@@ryanhester2146 Ok, now I understand better. Thank you so much
Bless you, Fr.Casey, for using your talents to bring a voice of reason to all.
It's comforting to know that the writings of one Pope can be apologized for and changed by a future Pope.
It's not true!
Any Ex Cathedra Declarations issued by a legitimate Pope are in effect, written in stone; binding on the faithful for the future.
@@vincentperratore4395Exactly, the Ex Cathedra Declarations, which has happened like, what, two times in the whole history of the Church?
All other writings and documents of a Pope can, technically, be revised and adjusted as necessary. It just happens that they are usually so good and in line with Church teaching and showcasing such great wisdom, that while not done Ex Cathedra they are considered to be pretty much set in stone, but that doesn't mean there can't be a few exceptions here and there where a change would be in order by another future Pope.
@@GranMaese _"which has happened like, what, two times in the whole history of the Church?"_
According to _one_ analysis.
I just read a passage in Pastor Aeternus suggesting very much that there is an "infallible ordinary magisterium" (exercised inter alia by approving local synods).
Papal Infallibility is exercised only when a matter of Faith or Morals has been commonly held by the Church through the ages. He cannot invent or 'reinterpret' Faith or Morals. He would not be infallible if he expanded the doctrine of Priesthood to include women. He could declare as Doctrine two natures in Christ a Doctrine as Pope Leo I did in 499.
Throughouthistory, Doctrine is only defined Infallible by the Pope or a Theological Council Document when there is a strong opposition to the Doctrine.. (Many Council Documents do not address Theological issues. Very few Papal documents define Doctrine.)
It’s amazing to see these niche topics of church history, very fun and interesting!
This was actually a video I really wanted.
While on paper, I truly trust Christ words and his church and I affirm in that belief as the one true holy and apostolic church
It gets really disheartening when you read history and see the corruption that happened durning different time periods.
But if Judas, who was an apóstoles betrayed Jesus, than of course other men will as well
If hearing these things shakes your faith, then maybe your faith is a bit too rooted in other members of the church. And not enough in Jesus himself.
@@thomasbrown3793 hmm, that’s a fair point actually.
Which is why my 2024 resolution is Just increase The Trust and appreciation in our Lord
2023, it was the year I learned plenty of theological, historical, and biblical information, so now I’m more focused on the spiritual aspect.
@@generalyousif3640 Friend, I'll pray for you and your spiritual endeavors this year. May your relationship with God grow more deep and close.
@@thomasbrown3793 thanks brother! Appreciate it
It's sad to think that with a little more humility and integrity in some of the Pope's there might not have been a Protestant split. Even Luther himself never wanted to split from the Catholic church even as it was happening around him. And while the Counter Reformation fixed a lot of the corruption he and others complained about, the damage was done by that point.
But as you said Father Casey, Christ ultimately leads the Church, not people. We can be thankful for that.
At 5:52, you might need to go back and edit as you say Pope Paul VI, but mean to say Pope Paul IV. Someone else might have said so, seeing as though there are 112 comments.
Great message at the end , I too believe the same way.
Love and prayers from India 🙏
You should do the best popes
In numerous narratives, it is commonly known that there once existed a Pope who was merely eighteen years old. It is not surprising that during that era, the number of believers was quite limited.🤔
Thomas George
(Syro-malabar church)
Wake up father Casey posted🙏🙏
I've had this on my watch list for a while. I'm glad I finally got around to viewing it. Thank you!
Can you present,” 8 best Popes”, please.
As always great video, all the best to everyone this year
Very interesting Father. Could u do a video on the best Popes please?
Can't
Thanks for this honest video
When I saw the title of this video, the first thing I thought of was The Borgia Pope
Mine too, but more because the Borgia choice is a midwit choice. Or a choice for 17 year old highwits.
When we get older, if our IQs are in triple digits, we learn that the Borgia mission was to save the papacy from becoming the plaything of French or Italian warlords. [The Borjas were Catalans.]
Best video in a long time. Thank you.
This current pope-he’s definitely a keeper!
I knew a rather zealous Catholic who said all the Popes were good and everything they did was correct. Sigh.
I wish people would stop saying sold indulgences. If the money was charitably given for St. peters basillica, then that's just an indulgence. If a cleric said gives me money and I'll give you an indulgence, then that would be selling. Charitable donations are indulgences.
while I agree, I believe in this situation, the pope was promoting them as being "sold" and not charitable donations
It was very very far from "charitably giving money for St. Peter's basilica". They were basically selling indulgences under pretension of getting relatives of the people who buy indulgences from purgatory. One of the most famous sellers of indulgences apparently said: "As soon as a coin in the coffer rings the soul from purgatory springs." Just read about Johann Tetzel. It will make your skin crawl.
Of all the priests I've watched explaining stuff about the catholic church priest Casey your the best describer I've seen on TH-cam
I've been saying this for a long time. We've had a lot of bad popes! Compared to our actual worst popes, Pope Francis isn't that bad. I actually don't think his holiness is bad at all, but that's another thing entirely. Thank you for this video, Fr. Casey!
God Bless you Fr!
Read the Bible to know the truth.
Thank you, David. I read the Bible and it led me to join the Holy Roman Catholic Church.
@@danielyoung5137you arrived to the infallibility of the pope, apostolic succession, Mary worship, Eucharistic canabalism from the Bible? Which one were you reading?
Rather than an argument which will profit neither of us l’d like to suggest you sit down with your aforementioned list in one hand and the Catechism, indexed, in the other and carefully note its explanation of each point you are making. That is no worse than stringing disparate Scriptures together to come to a unified conclusion. No Catholic will do that, especially with a Bible that Martin Luther already discarded six books from in attempting to “purify” it from Catholic doctrinal errors. Thanks for your time.
@@danielyoung5137 so you didn’t read the Bible and concluded Catholicism, you required the catechism to get there.
I learned this on another TH-cam channel lol called Sam’o Nella, love you Fr Casey
Paul VI??
I think it was Paul IV
@@willsmom93
He has edited and corrected it
It was pope Paul Iv and he didn’t do anything wrong by destroying synagogues or cracking down on Judaism
Bergoglio: "Hold my beer."
a most necessary reflection on the past and a most inspiring reflection on the eternal side of the church. Thanks
…yet, not even one of them blessed gay unions!
Thank you for being open and honest about these men. I find that too often Catholic sources tend to sweep them under the rug and pretend like these things never happened.
Pope Francis should be in the list.
This is why separation of Church and State was one of the best things to ever happen in history
When enough time goes by we can finally add Pope Francis to the list
Some of us have already done that , his betrayal of our Chinese brethren using the excreta mccarrick as his toady shows how bad it is.
John VII sounds like the Roman Emperor Elagabalus, came to power as a teenager, then did some pretty bad stuff, then was taken out
You left out current Pope Francis
History will judge Jorge Borgoglio in due course.
Great session to bring our Church into the reality of being human as well as spiritual
im not catholic but i think the current one is trying hard to be one of the worst.
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Quanto às informações e conhecimento que o senhor esclareceu em seu trabalho são para mim úteis. Thanks .
Why is Francis not on this list?
Because this is a list of bad popes.
@@BreakingInTheHabit Correct. He is a BAD POPE.
because we're interested in something close or approximating the truth and not your biased nonsense.
@bobaphat3676 I looked real hard through all 73 books of the Bible and could not square "blessing homosexual couple". This Pope is not a good Pope. There have been better. If that is the "biased " you speak of, you need to:
1. Get your eyes checked.
2. Give your head a shake.
3. Repent and receive Jesus Christ for you like me and our current Pope are sinners in need of Christ's redeeming love.
4. Confess to your priest that you think homosexuality is ok which is a sin. Repent and do no more.
5. Pray the full Rosary every day.
Ave Maria Mater Dei. ROMANS 8
He'll be on it in the next few years when another schism happens because of his appointees.
I’m not even Catholic but I was explaining to one of my friends that just because Pope Francis may not be the best pope ever by everyone’s standards, but that the Church has survived MUCH worse.
Thank you Father, and God bless Pope Francis.
Ya I have a funny feeling Francis is going to need it because there are a lot of unhappy Catholics… myself included!
Pope Alexander VI is easy to remember cuz he's the main villain in Assasins creed 2
Thank you, great list. Next time some date would be even more helpful :O
I think next is pope Francis
First 20 seconds, could be Tallest popes in history. 😂😂😂
Thanks for the vid Fr Casey.
Don’t let Fr. Casey gaslight you. It’s been nothing but confusion since 2013
I guess when you got about 2000 years worth of popes there's bound to be at least this many really bad apples.
This is why you shouldn't have a pope
We won't throw away the Papacy Jesus instituted because of a few bad people who were in the office.
Would you say Ancient Israel shouldn't have kings because of the likes of Ahab?
Would you say we shouldn't have politicians because some are corrupt?
Would you say your protestant churches shouldn't have pastors or preachers or whatever because some are evil?
No.
Try to reorient your mindset.
God bless.
So the better solution is the Protestant one where (almost) *everybody* has Papal Authority?
@@noel_112
God didn't want Israel to have a human king. Their king was supposed to be God. He allowed them to have a king out of the hardness of their heart.
Politicians are part of the secular world system, not the Kingdom of God, so comparing the two isn't helpful.
Protestant churches don't consider pastors or preachers to have authority similar to the Pope nor the ability to speak new infallible doctrines so that comparison also falls flat.
@@ninjason57 God was not against monarchy in Israel. The people rejected God. That was the situation not monarchy. God himself said he would raise kings out of the descendants of Abraham and then a few hundred later, he gave Moses rules concerning the conduct of kings in Israel. Deut 17:14-15.
For your second point, that doesn't address the situation. The original comment says we shouldn't have pope's because some popes were bad. This is universal because in every office, there would always be a bad person at some point in time. It applies both to secular and spiritual offices, and even if I was wrong, that is still not a good reason to throw out the Papacy because
1. It was instituted by Christ himself.
2. Those bad popes certainly were not following the rules set for the Papacy.
As for your final objection, you seem to say that protestant pastoral ministry can keep running despite having bad people in office but not the Catholics? That seems really hypocritical. My for this objection can be found in the reply to your previous objection aswell. Please refer to that.
God bless.
@paulnebeling2068 in protestantism no one idolises or adores one human as better and closer to God than another. We are all given gifts to use for the church. If you regard the pope as being an administrator who tries to run the church as best he can then that's ok because any organisation has someone at the top. If you regard him as being extra special and closer to God and better in any way then I think that's silly. I haven't heard any teachings from any pope that were particularly life changing or amazing. Neither have I known any pope to perform miracles over and above that are freely available at any bible believing church. The popes I've seen are all good, pleasant, holy men who do their best. Are they extra special? No. They are administrators and managers. They have God given skill in that regard, but everyone in the church has a gift or takent from God.
Great video Casey
If these bad popes where supposed to be infallible because they were Christ’s vicarious what makes you think the popes of the last century and this century are better?
Stopped watching @ 0:06
Why?
If you're interested, could you speak more in depth about both active religious life as well as consecrated life. Life as both a nun and a monk? How to discern the call to this life and what the entire process looks like? If you want to, could really use more insight
I heard someone describe it that back then being a Pope was similar to being a celebrity, so understandably it attracted a lot of corrupt money-hungry men whereas now we have actual positions like being a celebrity or influencer etc. so to be a Pope now it's typically because you're actually devout
My fav Pope moment was when Goldwater was in office. The Pope then was condemning over population because too many couples had too many children. Goldwater came back at him with "You no playa the game, you no maka the rules."
Stephen VI: WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY TO DEFEND YOURSELF??!!?!?!
Formosus: ☠️
3:55 Boniface to Philip : "ausculta filii"
Philip to Boniface : sends an army, captures the Pope, beats him up ...
Reminds me of Linus and Hercules.
Obviously, Boniface was the bad guy, right ...? Who'd _dream_ of blaming an actual wordly sovereign?
St.Francis Borgia, duke of Gandia, and General of the Jesuits only got a 10 minute video while is family got a miniseries
Nice, now make the top 10 Popes in history.
As a Protestant I find very much interest in the Catholic Church
As do I. I'm trying to figure out why they believe the multitude of nonsense they spew lol. I have actually been studying them for quite some time. Their is so much being taught that is false. They typically have a 100 page quote as to why it's not but it can always be destroyed providing a person isn't lazy. The Catholic Church banks on lazy...