Hope to hear that the ladies will soon be watching the Extended versions.. I'd be interested to hear what Kristen thinks of whether or not it adds to her understanding of the movie story of LOTR
45:50 - oh...so she watched the Hobbit cartoon?!? That's amazing, 'cause I was about to say that they should watch the "Return of the King" cartoon by the same creators. It was so awesome and that's a bumer that they haven't adapted the whole trilogy in that same particular style. T.T
People who haven't read the books don't really realize how insane it was for Sam to get Shelob to retreat. She was the daughter of the Primordial Spider and was one of the only creatures to survive the changing of Ages, and was so feared even Sauron didn't bother her, just let her be in her cave. Her hide couldn't be pierced by any living creature, and she pierced herself when Sam was holding a magical weapon in Sting. but the fact a normal every day Hobbit with no powers managed to back down one of the most powerful creatures of the age really puts into perspective how this entire thing would of failed multiple times if not for Sam.
Didnt Sam have the ring at the time? That might have helped him, because if Sam had lost ... it wouldnt have come back to its master, so the ring probably helped him too at that moment.
He says "Eowyn... I know your face." Both times. There is so much symmetry in these movies that much of it gets missed. I've watched dozens of these reactions and one I've never seen anyone mention is the grasping hands of Sam and Frodo at Mt Doom mirroring when Frodo pulls Sam from the water at the end of Fellowship (right before Sam's "I made a promise, Mr Frodo. A promise." scene) On a rewatch you start to see all of them and you come to realize just how truly amazing these movies are.
13:48 Thank you for acknowledging a father's love for his daughter, and not just assuming he wants to control her. So many reactors immediately fall down the hole of assuming there is some sort of malevolence here. But there isn't. It's simply a father fearing for his daughter.
Elrond also had a brother (Elros) who chose to be mortal. Elrond had to watch his brother die for the same reason Arwen chose. It is extremely painful for him to relive it.
Part of Elrond's tragedy that isn't covered in the movies is that his wife Celebrian (who is Galadriel's daughter) is already in the Immortal Lands. She was ambushed and taken captive by orcs and tortured so horrifically, that when Elrond's sons (who also were cut from them movies, they have minor roles in the books including joining Aragon to fight in Gondor and Black Gate) eventually tracked the orcs down and rescued her, she could never again find joy in life, so she sailed to the West in hopes that her broken soul could be healed there. Elrond had already "lost" his wife for centuries, and Arwen staying behind and choosing mortal life means that she will now be lost to Elrond forever and she never gets to reunite with her mother either.
There's also Elros, his twin brother, who chose to live as a man instead of as an elf. Elros became the first king of Numenor. Isildur and later Aragorn descend from him. So it's very difficult for Elrond to see his daughter make the same choice to live and die as a mortal like his brother did so long ago.
He won't even be able to spend much time with his parents as Earendil has to stay on his ship and Elwing lives in her tower so she can fly to meet him each day. We never know the fates of Elladan and Elrohir but they were very tied to Middle Earth. Even many of his forebearers are mortal and he will never meet again. Elrond is truly the most tragic Elf.
@@chrisans2577 Elladan & Elrohir stayed with Celeborn in Lorien for a while (maybe a few years but certainly were gone when Arwen arrived) before passing over to Eressea.
Aragorn's age in The Lord of the Rings is 87, thanks to his Dúnedain heritage. The Dúnedain have longer lifespans than ordinary men, but not as long as Elves. He dies at the age of 210, after 122 years as king. The graves of Merry and Pippin (who had died in Gondor 58 years earlier) are set beside his. He is succeeded on the throne by his son, Eldarion. Arwen, heartbroken by the loss of her husband, dies one year later in Lothlórien. She was 2,901.
Aragorn’s heritage as a descendant of the Numenorian kings means he’s descended from Elrond’s brother, Elros. These brothers were half-elven, given a choice whether to be immortal or not. Elrond chose immortality and Elros chose mortality, though he and his descendants were granted long life.
The whole cast basically moved to New Zealand for 18 months, starting in 1998 and lived there like a family and you can really feel the connections between them in the movies...
John Rhys-Davies was the only one who spent a lot of time alone. When he goes on location for long periods, he chooses a hobby. In New Zealand for this, he took up sailing and spent most of his time off set sailing alone.
The Fellowship all got matching tattoos of "nine" written in elvish except John Rhys-Davies (Gimli), because "I am afraid of needles. So like all good actors, I gave the task to my stunt double, who got it in my place." 😂
What i like about Smeagals involvement at the end is that it shows that destroying the ring was truly an impossible task. That no one could ever truly bring themselves to destroy the ring no matter how pure their motivation was.
The one thing that bothers me about the Peter Jackson/Fran Walsh/Philippa Boyens adaptation is that they don’t give Gollum credit for the Ring’s destruction after it is destroyed. In the books, Frodo and Sam give Gollum credit. He deserves it.
Poor Smeagol was the unwitting agent of fate, the ring’s own perversity, and divine intervention. I like that he had a brief moment of joy before he and the ring were destroyed. And, in the end, he “protected” his precious from Sauron.
@@luckyspurs The ring destroying itself is definitely part of the equation, but so is divine providence (can’t remember which letter this is in). The interesting thing with the Ring is that Gollum swears on it, even when Frodo reminds him the Ring is treacherous. Gollum swears to help the master of the precious (Frodo). Gollum decides to steal the ring so he becomes the master of the precious, negating his promise. Promises sworn on powerful artifacts don’t work that way. Gollum breaks his promise, and the ring punishes him by having him fall into the fire, totally helpless to combat the fact that punishing Gollum will destroy itself. (In the book, during one of their confrontations, Frodo warns Gollum that if he double-crosses him, Frodo will use the ring to make Gollum cast himself into the fire.) The divine providence comes in with all the pieces coming into play to allow the ring to be destroyed. Frodo pities Gollum and releases him. Gollum swears to help Frodo. Frodo manages to remain uncorrupted long enough to get to Mt. Doom. Sam keeps Frodo alive long enough to get to Mt. Doom. Gollum, bless his treacherous heart, steals the ring within moments of Frodo claiming it, and then has the most “convenient” bout of clumsiness and goes into the fire with the ring. I have to admit, I like the idea of the ring having a part in its own destruction, and I like the idea of Gollum being so damned happy for those few seconds before he hits the lava. Of all the ring’s “owners,” Smeagol’s story is the most pathetic.
@@nancyhayes9958This is where the book, again, is better. In the book there's no second fight between Frodo and Smeagol/Gollum. Gollum just trips and falls. That adds a level of redemption for Frodo. He failed when he took the ring for himself, but he didn't compound it further - in the book - by attacking Gollum to get it back.
This was one of the last movies my mom an I saw before she passed away 9 years ago from cancer. She never really liked the fantasy genre so I kinda forced her to watch these movies with me for my birthday, and she wound up really liking them. After she passed per her last request I flew from New England to San Francisco by myself and scattered her ashes across the sea from the bay. I then played the song *”Into The West” by Annie Lennox* from this movie once I finished. And I swear to god the sun was starting to set in the afternoon on the sea just like in the movie. So whenever I see these movies or hear that song not only do I remember spending my childhood watching these movies over and over I also remember showing my mom these movies and The Hobbit and her going from dismissing the genre to wanting to see more of these movies. And as painful as it is to see the ending scene of this movie and not imagine my mom smiling at me as she sails into that horizon (and yes I cry myself to exhaustion every time I see the ending now) I just remember Gandalf’s parting words and mom say to me “I will not say do not weep, for not all tears are an evil.” So thank you J.R.R. Tolkien and thank you Peter Jackson for giving this nerd not just my favorite film trilogy ever but also a beautiful memory to hold on to whenever I rewatch these movies.
"Into the West" is a magnificent memento mori for anyone. I sometimes wish the reactors would give a mention to the end songs to these movies; they are superbly moving pieces of music by themselves.
Now you made me cry imagining that. I'm sorry for your loss, but you brought out beauty out of sadness. Thanks for sharing. I hope you keep strong until the Creator reunite us with our loved ones in His Undying Lands one day.
Eowyn and Faramir's love story is quite sweet. They touch on it in the extended edition, but it's given a decent amount of attention in the book. Basically, they fall for each other during their recovery time from the battle. It's a beautiful arc for both characters who you fall in love with because of all the attention the story gives them ❤️
@marcusfridh8489 right honestly I get why they can't put everything in the movie because everything that's involved in that snip-it of the story could honestly be another movie. (not 3 hours, of course , but you know)
I always get more emotional on a rewatch of movies like these. The first watch everything is fresh, new and so much going on. On a rewatch there is so much more room for emotions to take center stage. These days even just hearing the music from the movie gets me emotional.
Saying that pippin was being an idiot for pledging himself was a misread of him in that moment. Boromir was a hero to Pippin, and his death would have affected him deeply. It was a sense of duty, respect, and acknowledgment of courage and sacrifice that motivated pippin, and it reflected well on him as a character.
Yes. Of Merry and Pippin, it was Pippin who was far slower to REALLY grasp just how much was at stake. When the proverbial lightbulb turned on at last, he went all in.
In the book Gandalf doesn't belittle Pippin for doing it, he even praises him for the move, saying he thinks Pippin's pledge actually touched Denothor's heart.
Frodo never fully healed from his wounds, which means he could never stay happy in Middle-Earth. He, Gandalf, Bilbo, and the rest are going to the undying lands (Elf heaven essentially), where mortal beings usually aren't allowed. An exception is made for Frodo and Bilbo because they were ring bearers. In the appendices we learn that Sam becomes mayor of the Shire and lives a long and happy life. After his wife dies, he also sails west to the undying lands because he was briefly a ring bearer. So Frodo and Sam do meet again. Merry and Pippin spend their days with Aragorn in Gondor, and when they die they are buried next to Aragorn's grave. Legolas and Gimli remain friends, and their friendship heals the rift between Dwarf and Elf. When they reach their end, they also sail to the undying lands together. It's a massive honor for Gimli, being a dwarf, and never a ring bearer. Once they leave, the fellowship is gone from Middle Earth forever.
Most people also don't realize that Frodo failed his quest. He and Sam are the only ones who know that Frodo broke. So Frodo lived the rest of his life in Middle Earth with an immense sense of guilt. Something like imposter's syndrome.
@@joshuawiedenbeck6944 Frodo did not fail. No one could have willingly destroyed the Ring. Tolkien wrote that himself. According to Tolkien, Frodo's only mission was to get the Ring to Mount Doom. After that, divine intervention was necessary. Frodo's mercy towards Gollum/Smeagol was what ultimately ended up saving Frodo. Yes, he felt the guilt of not being the one to destroy the Ring, but, again, NO ONE could have done it. No one. So, ultimately, Frodo succeeded in his actual mission. Eru Illuvatar provided the intervention of Smeagol.
Everyone always get sad that Frodo leaves Sam but in the cannon - Sam is eventually is allowed to join Frodo across the sea. He travels after Rosie dies to join Frodo across the sea. Also Legolas and Gimli also travel across the sea together. The story of what happens after the war is kind of cool for each character. Specially for Faramier and Aowen.
And the fact that Merry and Pippin gets too get buried besides Aragorn after their death is a statement of how important they were for the people of middle Earth
The irony of Gimli saying “an elf who’ll go underground where a dwarf dare not” is that the palace/fortress of Legolas’ father, the place where he was born and raised, is actually underground. So, Legolas has no problem following Aragorn. He’s kinda just trolling Gimli. 😂
The key to understanding ALL the battle scenes is remembering that the armies of Sauron can't deal with light. That's why darkness covers the lands before the armies proceed.
Even so, I prefer the films more than the books. That said, I prefer The Silmarillion more than the LOTR books, so. Just not a fan of the style of the writing, with ensemble stories, etc., and pacing. The thing that the LOTR (& HP) films did was get more folks to read, and that was great!
What makes this trilogy so iconic is not only the majestic work of Peter Jackson but the judicious choice of the actors! Everyone put their heart and soul into this project and it shows and feels! Ian McKellen delivers the performance of a lifetime and Elijah Wood and Sean Astin too. And every time I watch interviews about the actors' experience, it is unanimous, they were part of something bigger than themselves. The best trilogy of all time without a doubt for me.
It’s a truly exceptional series of movies. Imagine they would release this exact movie today. All republicans would cry ‘woke’ because of a woman who wants to be a warrior instead of sitting alone at home cooking for men. I really like Theodin more in Return of the King, he looked really weak in The Two Towers. Glad the movies did that better in the third. The cast was phenomenal as you said. I recently watched the Back to the future trilogy again and was surprised to see Elijah would as a kid in it and he looks so incredibly like we know him from this movies even as he was so young in the Back to the future 2.
Be a bit careful when praising Peter Jackson. He is... a wild man. It was the Production Team that saved this movie. Jackson gave requests and orders, while the Production Team had gathered and made a secret sort of council to try and interpret his wishes in a feasible way. And that is what saved the movie. You know the scene where the two Mumakils crash into each other? If I remember correctly, that scene was finished and put in the movie less than 24 hours before the Movie went out to the world. In the premiere for Return of the King, Jackson sat down with the other actors to watch the movie. Where he said he was looking forward to seeing it. As he had never actually seen the whole movie edited and completed. He had gone straight from the editing room to the premiere.
38:45 Common "modern" misconception... Eowyn and Merry weren't told to stay back from war because they were "looked down upon or "weak""... Theoden and Eomer tried to spare them from the horrors of battle and keep them alive to continue to live in the world and continue to do good. Theoden wanted Eowyn to lead the people, because he trusted her. That's a big deal and an honorable thing. Same thing at Helm's Deep. The honorable thing isn't always to die or to experience death and horror... sometimes it's to keep living and keep doing good.
Eowyn was basically a princess. A prince would not be told to stay back from war, he sent out his sons to lead contingents without any second thought. So yes, it is to do with her being a woman, even if you don't like it lol.
“Only the length of his arm”…because Merry is so small, a man with a longsword can take Merry’s head off before Merry could get close enough to touch the man with his own little sword.
@@Prince_the_Oneand yet our own Prince William was not permitted join his own frontline forces because he is the Crown Prince and the risk to the Realm was too great.
It's not really a misconception, if anything it's both wanting to save them from the horrors of war and because they're not men. Remember the male children were brought out to defend Helm's Deep before any of the adult women.
I was fortunate and lucky enough to see the extended edition of this trilogy that was remastered to 4K in a theater earlier in the year. They only showed one movie per day for three days straight, and since these movies came out when I was too young to see them in theaters I was not going to pass up the opportunity to watch them like that for the first time. Without question it was the best movie experience I've ever had.
I will be going to.a marathon of all 3 movies (extended editions) in one day at my local theater. We start in the morning and watch until evening. There's a break a "potty" break between #1 & 2 and between #2 & 3 a longer (30 minutes or so) dinner break. They take pizza orders (by the slice) as we enter and have pizzas delivered at dinner time. There's also a costume contest (I enjoy the show but don't costume) and door prizes during the break. It's an adventure for me and now it's usually around my birthday so it's my present to myself.
I never had a problem with the exuberant reunion of Frodo with the other members of the Fellowship. You have to remember that Frodo doesn't know Gandalf is alive, and would have been extremely scared that more of his friends would have died. And it's been months since they've seen one another.
Have to remember too that he saw Pippen and Merry sacrifice themselves for him, not just Gandalf's fall. That's the last point at which he knows anything that happened to any of them bar himself and Sam, save for hearing about Boromir's death.
On Elijah Woods' final day of shooting, Peter Jackson kept asking for more takes because he didn't want to say goodbye to him. One of the people on set said that they had good takes well before Jackson finally called it quits.
For me one of the sadest dialogeus in this movie is Frodos line: "No, Sam. I cant recall the taste of food, nor the sound of water, nor the touch of grass. I'm naked in the dark. There's nothing--no veil between me and the wheel of fire. I can see him with my waking eyes!" It shows how much of a toll it took on Frodo. He lacks the very most basic and probably comforting things there are for a human or to put it better probably also for a Hobbit. So one cant blame him for not being able to destroy the ring through will power. If i recall it correctly even the God Eru Illuvatar intervened and made Gollum slip to put an end to the ring.
Someone can blame him. Himself. He never did recover from the guilt of 'failing' his mission. That's part of the reasons he had to sail to the undying lands, to heal his wounded soul.
The way I always interpreted the scene was that NO ONE could intentionally destroy the ring. In Mount Doom, the ring had an irresistible power over anyone who held it. Eru Illuvatar had woven into the tapestry of fate to place Gollum and Frodo on the precipice because that way the ring could be destroyed in the struggle over it. Gandalf had an inclination of the plan, since the first movie in Moria when he admitted that Gollum had some part to play that he couldn't foresee. He had to be spared by Bilbo, so that he could lead Sam and Frodo to the fires of Mount Doom and take his Precious down with him. Gollum life was a tragedy, but one that ultimately saved the entire world from certain doom.
@@Knightmare435 Yes, and it's also important for Tolkien and his writing a Christian story. What saved the day isn't a great hero triumphantly overcoming evil. It's mercy and grace that did. It's also the self-destructive nature of evil, as the Ring was destroyed in a scuffle over it.
It really mirrors Golem's story too. He forgot the taste of bread and touch of grass. Whoever has the Ring thinks it's the most important thing they own. They don't even realize all it takes from them.
@@davidtr2010 Also, even though Tolkien has said that LotR was not meant to be an allegory of WWI, he pulled a lot from his experiences in the war (and I think he meant that it's about the larger picture dealing with war, greed, hope, brotherhood, love, bravery, etc., not just one historic event). I've always interpreted Frodo as his take on a soldier who has seen too much, done too much, and so, mentally, can't ever go home again. Even when the Hobbits get back home from the great war, it's just not the same for them (and, for Frodo, it never will be again). I mean, the four Hobbits have shared the experience of war that the rest of the people in their home village will never be able to understand, but Frodo has been broken by the experience, even beyond the other three. Him leaving for the Undying Lands is a metaphor, imo, of a soldier who never recovers from their experience and thus decides to "go to Heaven" early (even down to it being a surprise that he leaves AND leaves a note behind for Sam, telling him to go on living). The movie puts it into a positive light and makes it a beautiful thing -- he didn't off himself, he went to "the Undying Lands" to find peace -- but I think it was Tolkien's way of dealing with the subject of soldiers who don't survive the toll the war has taken on them and thus decide to "check out early" (I hate having to talk around it so much - it feels ridiculously childish -- but trying not to get flagged by YT). Basically, I think it was Tolkien's way of spinning a sad subject and making it feel hopeful and beautiful. He didn't end himself; he went on to the Undying Lands, a place we can't follow and from where he'll never come back, to heal and find peace. I think this idea is backed up by the fact that the other people who are going to the Undying Lands with Frodo are Bilbo (who is extremely old and at the end of his life (aka passing of natural causes and moving on to "the next adventure") and Gandalf (who only came back to life to finish his unfinished business and, now that it's complete, can finally leave this mortal coil). Going to the Undying Lands is a metaphor for dying.
Some interesting things to notice: - Ever since Boromir fell, Aragorn has been wearing his wrist braces.. you can see him putting them on when Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas are by the river, when deciding to go save Merry and Pippin. - Before the ring is destroyed, Sam asks Frodo if he remembers the shire, and recalls it with fond memories but Frodo feels nothing. After the ring is destroyed, Sam recalls it but is sad, but Frodo finally feeling anything at all is very happy. Some fun facts: - At some point later in the story, when Legolas returns to undying lands (where Gandalf and Frodo went), he brings Gimli.. Gimli is the first dwarf to ever go there.. - And Sam also travels there later in his life - Sams daughter is actually played by Sean Astins daughter.
Yes Bilbo and Frodo are fairly scholarly compared to other hobbits. And they've had enough interactions with Elves to be labelled as "elf friends", which is a sort of blessing, not just a title.
Saruman was not corrupted by Sauron, Saruman was corrupted by his long study of the the enemies arts as the books clearly state. He was fooling Sauron and Sauron had no idea Saruman was not truly loyal to him. Please don't change the story.
@@Prince_the_One talking about the movie, not the book. Not trying to change anything, just commenting on a good movie. I read the book and loved it, one of my favorites. But you couldn’t resist being mean, could you?
Too bad Sean Astin turned into a bit of an idiot IRL ... embracing the political faction that is for warmongering instead of the ones that are against it. He hasnt learned anything from playing Sam at all ... because "the ring" symbolises *"power you should never want to ever use",* but his party/team does so ...
Frodo’s leaving for me represents a major case of PTSD. And by going to the Undying Lands he will be able to find healing. J.R.R. Tolkien fought in World War I. And as a result of that war, he lost a number of childhood friends. He also saw how much of his generation, who fought in the war suffered lifelong physical and mental injuries. And I think he really drew up upon that understanding in his portrayal of how much Frodo’s journey carrying the Ring had affected him, as well as the injury that never healed from the Witch King’s blade. While Sam, on the other hand, was an example of someone who’s life had also been significantly changed by his journey. But he was able to go on and lead a fulfilling life with his family and benefit from all the sacrifices that he and everyone else had made along the way. I totally agree that Sam is the MPV of the story!
A quick note is that when gandalf came on the eagles to save Frodo and Sam, he showed up with 3 eagles... Gandalf brought 3 because he never gave up hope that Smeagol could come back from what the ring had done to him. The 3rd eagle was for Smeagol.
So a bit of uplifting stuff from the book. Merry and Pippin ended up moving to Minas Tirith later in life after having families in the Shire (They were buried next to Aragorn) Aragorn ruled for 120-ish years before passing the title to his son. He died in his early 200's, with Arwen traveling to Lorien and passing away from a broken heart. Gimli migrated a group of dwarves to the glittering caves behind Helms Deep and became King there. Legolas traveled with Gimli for a time before bringing his people to Ithilien to rebuild. After Aragorn's death, he sailed west with Gimli to the Undying Lands, with Gimli being the first and only dwarf to ever travel there. Sam had his family and after Rosie passed, he was permitted to sail west to The Undying lands as he was technically a ringbearer, even though he only had the One Ring for a short time. He eventually reunited with Frodo and most Gandalf, Legolas and Gimli. Humans eventually ruled all of Middle Earth, Orcs were exterminated & Elves and Dwarves eventually faded away into nothingness.
When Arwen saved Frodo she said "whatever light is in me, may it pass to him." I think the idea is that she bound herself to Frodo to save him and so her fate became tied to his. The darkness of the ring is slowly destroying Frodo, and so it's destroying her too.
I always assumed its just because she chose to stay in middle earth, so if the quest for the ring fails she too would be destroyed along with everything else
Arwen loses her immortality because she chose to stay in Middle-Earth alongside her love Aragorn living a mortal life. She did this instead of going with her kin to The Undying Lands. In this she chooses to be counted to the race of men which is connected to her half-elven heritage.
Book canon-wise, the choice of giving up her immortality was given to Arwen through her blood. She's born of the line of Luthien, who gave up her eternal life for a mortal. Elrond had a brother, Elros, who chose to be a man and gave birth to the line that would birth Aragorn centuries later. then Elrond's daughter also made the same choice for Aragorn. The Frodo theory is pretty good in the context of the film, given the stakes of Arwen's life in the balance was a way to flesh out Liv Tyler's character. She does a lot more in the movie than in the books.
If you're wondering about The Eagles. They're the servants of Manwe, the chief Valar (gods) and friends to Gandalf. Gandalf is a lesser god (Angel, basically) who serves Manwe as well.
1:19:40 Gandalf brought 3 eagles in case Smeagle was still alive. That in itself shows how good Gandalf is, even though there should be no confusion about that lol
And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung. From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his stratagems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and despaired. For they were forgotten. The whole mind and purpose of the Power that wielded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the Mountain. At his summons, wheeling with a rending cry, in a last desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nazgûl, the Ringwraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurtled southwards to Mount Doom.
@@GMDTurbo I know what you are talking about and it is fan fiction. Yes there were 3 eagles in the shot but no where in any writing is it said that this is because one was for Smeagle. Fans made this up, it is not what Tolkien ever intended.
In the book, Denethor had a seeing stone. Sauron showed him what couldve been, and it drove him mad. He also died in the tomb, not running a whole 100yd dash to jump off the cliff lol..
@@Tarnbar You're kidding, right? It's _ridiculous._ Given how far it was from the tomb to the end of the courtyard, it must have taken him a couple of minutes to run that far if you didn't get to cut to the end using movie editing. He's an old man and he's _on fire._ It's farcical, and that very much does take away from things.
Never has anything been more heartfelt than this comment. Your journey into LOTR warmed my soul and now you got a fan, ladies and gentleman I salute you.
1. It wasn't cold. It was the truth. Eowyn didn't really know Aragorn. She was "in love" with what she thought he was. 2. It wasn't a breakup line. Aragorn's heart belongs to Arwen and always has. There was never a chance.
It is important to remember we are not seeing all the battles of the War of the Ring. The Rohirim left for Minas Tirith on March 13, arriving on March 15. Meanwhile, unknown to them, on March 12 some of the orc survivors of the Battle of Isengard tried to attack Rohan, but were defeated by the Ents who were defending Rohan while the Rohirim rode to Gondor. Meanwhile the Elves in Lothlórien were attacked by orc forces from Dol Goldur on March 11, 15 and 22 and repelled each time. This was called the Battle under the Trees. The dwarves of the Lonely Mountain and the men of Dale (from The Hobbit) were also fighting the Easterling army from March 14 to 17. Both their kings died in the battle. They then retreated to the Lonely Mountain which remained under siege until March 27. But after the news of the fall of Sauron on March 25 reached them their forces rallied to retake their kingdoms. Finally, in the books there was the Battle of The Shire. I won’t spoil the books, but lets just say the hobibits had their own problems to deal with. The Hobbit battle was in the main story in the books. The rest were summarized in the appendices, to show this was truly a world war and not just the events we saw.
Part of the brilliance of these films is that the theatrical release, *and* the extended release, are both perfectly paced. The biggest contribution of the extended edition is filling out the backstory of the Boromir/Faramir/Denethor dynamic.
The extended editions are a MUST. They're considered to be *the* versions to watch! Sure, the pacing does suffer a very tiny bit, but the character and world building, the extra dialogues just add so much to it.
It took me years to realise that Frodo did not relinquish the ring of his own free will. It was stolen from him by Gollum, after he was corrupted completely by it, then it was destroyed accidentally when they fought for it. Losing the ring for him was greater than the loss of a loved one, leaving a hole he never could recover from. He couldn’t go on continuing as is, when he had lost so much of himself along the way. It’s tragic really! Loved your reactions! ❤
There is still an element of choice involved in the movie. Visually, you see that the ring doesn't start to dissolve before Frodo regains the will to try and climb back up. That's him giving up the ring. He needed a harsh nuage because he stumbled, and he's saved by his choice not to kill Gollum. In the book that choice's the only thing that saves him.
@@telynns8490It’s in one of his letters. He said that Frodo’s failure wasn’t a moral one, which I interpret as Frodo didn’t fail because he was weak: anyone would have failed because the Ring was that strong.
The boy who played the role of Eldarion, the first-born son of Aragorn and Arwen and his successor on the throne, is Sadwyn Brophy, son of fellow actor Jed Brophy , who plays the role of the dwarf Nori in the film adaptation of "The Hobbit", also directed by Peter Jackson.
Most of the Rohan riders were Women in fake beards, because they were the ranchers who actually owned the stunt Horses, so it was easier for production to just put the women in costume cause they were able to control the horses.. It’s an interesting juxtaposition between the days of Shakespeare, when women couldn’t act on stage and men dressed in women’s clothing, to the opposite...
It's also ironic with the plot of Eowyn coming disguised as a man. I like to think that we're just following Eowyn, but she's like all Rohirim women and that Theoden just doesn't notice that his army is actually 80% women.
One thing I wish they hadn't changed from the book...when Pippin finds Merry after the battle, in the book Merry asks "Have you come to bury me?" That line hit so hard.
The extended editions make it so much better. it gives backstory that allows you to really get why certain things happened so you can appreciate characters and understand them more. Highly recommended!
Sam became Mayor of the Shire and was re-elected for forty years. When he grew old and retired, the elves gave him the honor of joining Frodo in the Undying Lands. Merry and Pippin moved to Gondor, where they lived a life of luxury and happiness, then, after dying at an advanced age, they were buried in the mausoleum of the kings of Gondor. Aragorn unified the kingdoms of Middle-earth and decreed that the Shire would be a sanctuary and would never be disturbed. Aragorn returned the blessings of his ancestors and departed at the age of 260. Legolas ruled the last remnant of the Elven people and Gimli gave the "dwarfs" a jewel made from Galadriel's hair. Both friends built a ship to travel to the Undying Lands, where Gimli could admire his elven maiden forever. I probably spelled the names wrong, but it's hard to type on the bus, so at least I managed to say what I wanted.
In a matter of fact, Gollum and Shelob the spider know each other quite well. It's not a thing in the movie, but they have a kind of special relationship, an understanding. Gollum is very knowledgeable with those tunnels as he uses them all the time, going in and out of Mordor.
I literally just woke up. I'm making breakfast. Then I have some cleaning to do before I take a shower. I plan on RELAXING all day after that. So this is perfect timing! Once I'm done I'm totally sitting down with some snacks and going to watch. I cant wait! 😍
What a great journey you both had watching these movies ❤❤ you opened your heart, felt all the emotions, and now have lived in middle earth just like all of us. ❤
"You bow to know one" is the best line in cinema history, quickly followed up by "I cant carry it for you, but I can carry you." The hardest part about this series is the deep understanding that when it ends you will never experience a story this beautiful for the rest of your life. same feeling I had at the end of Halo 3. Stuff like this is magic, and the fact I cry every single time is a testament to the best writing in the world.
The scene where the four Hobbits sit in the Green Dragon at the end, should be mentioned. When Tolkien attended the King Edward's School in Birmingham in 1913, he and a group of others formed the T.C.B.S. Or the "Tea Club, Barrovian Society". The core members were considered to be the "big four" of Tolkien, Geoffrey Bache Smith, Christopher Wiseman, and Robert Gilson. Here they would discuss the old legends and the Medieval world and all such. As they all had a love for that period in time. A love of poetry and all such. All four of them went to fight in the First World War, which broke out the year after. And it was here in the trenches that the first little hints and small pieces of stories of Middle Earth were born. Geoffrey Bache Smith wrote a letter to Tolkien from the trenches: "My chief consolation is that if I am scuppered tonight there will still be left a member [of our school group] to voice what I dreamed and what we all agreed upon. For the death of one of its members cannot, I am determined, dissolve [the group]. Death can make us loathsome and helpless as individuals, but it cannot put an end to the immortal four! May God bless you my dear John Ronald and may you say things I have tried to say long after I am not there to say them if such be my lot." Yours ever, G. B. S. He was killed that night. By 1918, all but one of his close friends were dead.
At the end of Return of the King when Frodo wakes up in bed and sees Gandalf smiling at him, *this is the first time Frodo finds out that Gandalf did not die in Moria.* All those months of traveling and until that very moment Frodo was burdened with Gandalf's death. Hence Frodo's joyous laughter. His memory of his friend and mentor, was that of *Gandalf The Grey.* (Why Gandalf was laughing so maniacally? I have no idea.) 😄😁
I think in the book Pippin comes to realize that under all the care and worry that Gandalf carries is a deep wellspring of love and joy, one that could set the world laughing. Incidentally, when Gandalf talks about the “green country under a swift sunrise”, that’s what Frodo sees in the books after sailing into the west. Those who remain in the Havens see only overcast grey skies as they leave for home.😢
1:03:10 I wanna point something out. The only 2 people in all of Middle Earth to ever willingly give up the One Ring were Sam and Bilbo. Granted, to throw the One Ring into Mount Doom is nigh impossible, but also for Bilbo to give it up after having it for what? 70 years? The amount of willpower you would need to have to let that go is absolutely incredible. Sam only had it for about a couple of hours, but he wasn't ever corrupted by it, thank God. Frodo was more important to him than the One Ring, and that says something.
@@GrubbsyQue While Aragorn looked on low key clutching his sword hilt pre unsheath standing by as to say if you don’t hand it over to the Hobbit in the next 5 seconds or try ANYTHING at all I am going to fu*%ing KILL YOU, without actually saying it Plus Boromir feigns disinterest saying I care not, but clearly he was lying through his teeth, Thus is the depth of Sauron’s corruption of good into evil and trust, honour in to falsehood, veiled manipulation
I love in the book when Sam has the ring and it tries to tempt him. All it could come up with to tempt him with was to turn the world into one big garden. And Sam pretty much says "Pffftttt... that's silly".
@ ain’t no thing for him anyway, once Samwise The Brave gets through with the ruffians in Mordor he knows darn well the world will once again be one big garden thanks to him, The ultimate green thumb rank
Eowyn gets credit for stabbing the Witch King in the face and destroying him, but nobody seems to give credit to Merry for stabbing the Witch King with the barrow blade which essentially broke the spell that made the Witch King unkillable.
It just an ordinary blade in the movies though. In the movie the Witch King just got double whammied. First he is stabbed by a person who is no man, as in not a human, and then by a person who is literally not a man but a woman. The prophecy is a bit more prophetic in the movie version, IMHO, less lucky chance that some random hobbit just ended up with a magic blade and more like an actual prophecy that has a loop hole that Witch King in his arrogance does not see.
1:22:33 As a father now to a daughter, the look on Elrond's face will always hurt me in the best possible way. Hugo Weaving NAILS the mixture of joy and sadness.
Some lore and fun facts: 10:54 pippin grabbing the palantir actually helped the free peoples so much. He learned that Sauron was planning on razing Minas Tirith to the ground, that black ships were coming from the south, a surprise ambush. And because it was Saruman’s palantir that pippin held, Sauron assumed that Saruman had captured the ring bearer and was showing off his prize. So Sauron sent off Nazgûl o collect the ring bearer, giving the men at Osgiliath a small break from their siege. They learned a lot while also unintentionally tricking Sauron and not giving up any real info. 38:26 the thing about Eowyn isn’t that her uncle or brother think she is weak, it’s that she is the last of the royal family, the last heir of the throne. She has further responsibilities to care for the rest of the kingdom and be Queen. Theoden and Eomer believe they’re riding to death. So they want her to stay behind and rule for them. To find a worthy husband and carry on the royal line. They know she can fight and is capable. But she doesn’t want to be locked up ruling without helping. She doesn’t believe it is noble to ask others to fight without doing it herself. Super fun fact, the Orc lieutenant 43:19 who is disfigured and walks with a limp, was actually mocked after Harvey Weinstein. Peter Jackson had large disagreements with Weinstein and of course the rumors had already been flying. So Peter gave him a cameo of sorts, and mocked him with one of the ugliest orcs looking almost exactly like Weinstein. 45:50 different spiders, but same family. There were once many many giant spiders, the spiders that attacked Bilbo and the Dwarves are probably offspring of this spider, whose name is Shelob. Or perhaps offspring of one of Shelobs siblings. Shelob was the greatest offspring of Ungoliant, who was pretty much a force of nature or the universe. She was essentially darkness incarnate. Her webs were spun of pure shadow and darkness, she was perhaps a child of the void, and her hunger was insatiable. She ate light, absorbed it and became more powerful. She could grow to immense sizes, and was so powerful at her peak even the Valar, the gods who created the whole universe were not powerful enough to break her webs and fight her in a one on one fight; she once imprisoned Morgoth, Sauron’s old boss, and he had to be freed by an army of Balrogs, who used their firey whips to break her webs and save him. She was some kind of dark spirit to represent, hunger, darkness, despair, and the void itself. 47:30 this movie doesn’t do Denethor justice. Short story is: he has been mentally tortured and his soul weakened thru decades of using the palantir to wage mental war with Sauron. He had gained some victories this way, but slowly been driven mad thru Saruman and Sauron insidiously breaking him down. That and his wife became sick after giving birth to Faramir, and was weakened until she died when Faramir was young. He loved her so much and that poisoned the relationship between Faramir and Denethor. When Boromir died, it broke him completely. He was basically fully insane and his courage broken down, he had no hope after being shown the fall of Gondor for decades by Sauron. 54:17 this is probably the first time any of those men have even seen an Olliphant. So they would be absolutely stunned. Olliphants are incredibly large, much larger than African elephants of today. It would be something that stunned the riders, and they had no clue how to deal with them really. 1:19:26 they even sent an eagle for Sméagol.
45:29 I love this bc Frodo actually doesn’t know the words, in the books he seemingly says the words unconsciously like something was possessing him, a small hint there was some sort of “divine intervention” involved, small stuff that the movies added- kind of a nod to the book’s bigger emphasis on their deities intervening
Back in the early 00s when Lord of the Rings premiered in cinemas it was in late December each year, that's why it's a christmas trilogy for those of us that saw it in theaters. 19th December 2001, 18th December 2002 and 17th December 2003.
I cannot recommend it enough that you guys watch the extend editions on your own time. They are more filling, more content, more backstory, more everything and gives answer to many question that was asked during all 3 movies. Highly recommend it!
If you want a true tearjerker, when Arwen called Elrond "Ada", she was using a very informal version of the word "father". She basically called him "daddy" in Elvish. I always felt that Smeagol/Gollum is the living embodiment of an addict. He's addicted to the Ring like it's cocaine or heroin. Frodo and Sam's attitudes towards him were how people in society view addicts: Frodo was the type of person who wants to help an addict get clean while Sam thinks it's only a matter of time before they start using again. I truly believe that even if Faramir hadn't ambushed him in Two Towers, Gollum would have tried to take the Ring at some point. An addict does not get clean by constantly being exposed to their addiction, like an alcoholic doesn't stay sober living next to a bar or liquor store. While Gollum is the embodiment of addiction, Frodo is the embodiment of PTSD. He never truly recovered from that stab wound from Weathertop, plus the physical burden of carrying the Ring and the mental trauma that it put him through. Also, despite seeing what the Ring had done to Gollum, what it was doing to Bilbo and even Boromir, and that his friends, his home and every good person on Middle-Earth was counting on him to destroy the Ring, he still tried to take it for himself and he could never forgive himself for that moment of weakness. I truly believe that the only thing that kept him from letting go and falling into the lava was that Sam would have jumped right in after him, and he couldn't do that to Sam.
People watch Lord of the Rings around Christmas BECAUSE the films released around Christmas time in theaters. The ONLY one missing from the Fellowship reunited scene was Boromir tragically. BTW, the ONLY known roles where Sean Bean DOESN'T die in are roles pertaining to Greek mythology, like Troy or Percy Jackson and the Olympians. When you talk PTSD and adventure, I suggest watching another film that has both AND is TECHNICALLY is a Christmas movie...Rambo: First Blood. I know this channel covered it but Achara and Kristen should DEFINITELY watch and react to it if they haven't. And yes, I cry whenever I see Return of the King, but never as hard as the first time when I saw it in theaters.
Just a little bit from the book for Kristen and achara.(Sorry if I spelled wrong. I suck with names) Sam and frodo do meet again after frodo leaves. When Sam's children are old enough. He's sure he is no longer needed, he leaves from the grey havens(the port at the end of the movie) and travels to the undying lands to rejoin his friend. Merry and Pippin remain besties until they're old men. They spend the last of their days at Gondor hanging out with aragorn.... Now King elessar. And when they pass, they're entombed in the royal catacombs with the past kings of Gondor. Legolas and gimli remained bros for centuries. Having many adventures. But legolas like the other elves decided he had to join his kin in the undying lands..... And brings gimli"elf friend" with him. Aragorn. Ruled Gondor and rebuilt the kingdom of arnor. He had several children with arwen. At the ripe age of 210 years he finally died.... His body was placed beside Merry and Pippin.
If someone doesn't tear up at "I can't carry it for you, but I can carry you" and "My friends, you bow to no one", then you might be dealing with a Ringwraith.
1:07:45 regarding the undead army helping them fight near Mordor wouldn’t work but in fact be so bad because Sauron is a master of necromancy so he could probably take them for himself
I do cry everytime I watch it and I do a movie marathon with the extended editions on Christmas. I saw all of them in theaters when they were first released and they are still some of the best movies ever made.
Half elven children get to decide if they want to live as immortal elves or mortal men. Elrond is a half elf that decided to live as an elf, and his brother Elros, was a half elf that decided to live as a man and died long time before the events of LOTR.
Aragorn's speech of the black gate was one of my favorite speeches of all time. I remember each word from the speech. Some people may call it is just a story. But in that speech there is so much. "A DAY MAY COME" imagine he was talking about today.
When Frodo leaves at the end of the movie, it’s like he symbolizes the story itself. We’re the ones tearfully saying goodbye to the story like we would for our closest friend.
Principal photography was around 1.3 years, with pick-ups happening for a couple of the following years. -There was a scene where they had to start at dawn, one of those tracking scenes with Gimli, Aragorn and Legalos I believe. Well Viggo suggested, instead of an early call and being transported out to the location for shooting, how about the crew just do a camping trip the night before; he said he would do the fishing and provide food. Well...! Other people heard about this and even though they weren't on the call sheet, they wanted to be there for the camping/family aspect, because they had (as you mentioned) really grown to be a family at that point. - Viggo's last day I believe was doing Helm's Deep shots with the stunt team, comprised of mostly Maori. They gave him a celebration and traditional haka dance and, dang I'm weeping as I type(!), you have to look up the clip, they talk about all being a family...
So, quick overview about Elrond's lineage. Eärendil the Mariner and his wife Elwing were half-elves whose descendants were given the privilege to choose between the fate of men and the fate of elves. Elves are immortal, but their fate is tied to that of the world of Arda itself. Men have the gift of death - their souls depart from this world to a fate that only Eru Iluvatar (the Tolkienverse God) knows of. When someone chooses a mortal life, it passes on to their descendants, as well, so the gift of choice no longer applies. Anyways, Earendil and Elwing had two sons: Elrond and Elros. Elros chose a mortal life, while Elrond chose an immortal life. Elros was the first king of Numenor, and aragorn's direct ancestor. This is part why the dunedain have such long lives - they are men who descended from partially elvish (and also partially angelic) ancestry. The thing about immortality is... it also means that the passage of time doesn't heal grief that much compared to the passage of time for mortals. This is why Elves are so hesitant to form bonds with mortal beings - the pain of loss will always linger with them, for hundreds, or even thousands of years. For Elrond, the grief of losing his brother is still almost as strong as it was thousands of years ago. And the grief of losing his daughter will last for thousands of years once she dies. It is quite a tragic fate for him, to be parted with so many of his kin, never really healing from the grief because of his immortality.
We need a filmed reaction of Kristen and Roxy chatting about the time Viggo asked out Kristen on set... Roxy is soooo Viggo-obsessed... 😂 please we need this for the fans!
It's always funny to me when Faramir says "there's something spooky in Cirith Ungol, dunno what" when Cirith Ungol means "the spiders pass" in Sindarin, *a language he speaks*.
1:25:54 how they portray them coming back and what frodo says right here just kind of sums up what soldiers go through. Like this is the bare minimum of what they go through when they return home. Ridicule, feeling like you don't belong, going through so much crap that you can't even see your home as your home anymore and like you should still be back overseas.
Which he truly intended with tolkien being a war vet himself so crazy to me he created an entire world and multiple languages all for us to enjoy so many decades later
I’ve felt something similar too. And even when you try to explain it to anyone, people you care about, you can see and feel the retreat in their eyes. It involuntarily feels like cowardice on their part. You can feel even more abandoned because they’re running away, and they didn’t even experience what you did. Luckily the hobbits had each other and the overwhelming safety of the shire, but that’s not that common.
Seeing the tower with the eye at the top I’ve always thought of Sauron sitting at the very top just below the eye. Commanding his troops gathering his physical body.
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Hope to hear that the ladies will soon be watching the Extended versions.. I'd be interested to hear what Kristen thinks of whether or not it adds to her understanding of the movie story of LOTR
Ladies if you have the time, here on TH-cam you can hear JRR Tolkien reading the ride of the Rohirrim. It's worth hearing now that you have seen this.
45:50 - oh...so she watched the Hobbit cartoon?!? That's amazing, 'cause I was about to say that they should watch the "Return of the King" cartoon by the same creators. It was so awesome and that's a bumer that they haven't adapted the whole trilogy in that same particular style. T.T
the extended cutss didnt include sarumans death 😭
People who haven't read the books don't really realize how insane it was for Sam to get Shelob to retreat. She was the daughter of the Primordial Spider and was one of the only creatures to survive the changing of Ages, and was so feared even Sauron didn't bother her, just let her be in her cave. Her hide couldn't be pierced by any living creature, and she pierced herself when Sam was holding a magical weapon in Sting. but the fact a normal every day Hobbit with no powers managed to back down one of the most powerful creatures of the age really puts into perspective how this entire thing would of failed multiple times if not for Sam.
Thank you for posting this. Also, Shelob was the Mother of the spiders of Mirkwood.
sauron probably knew what happened between his master and ungoliant, maybe thats why he didnt want to interfere shelob 😭
Didnt Sam have the ring at the time? That might have helped him, because if Sam had lost ... it wouldnt have come back to its master, so the ring probably helped him too at that moment.
Also, Sam didn't want the endless garden that the ring promised him. He was able to do what no one, not even Frodo, was able to do.
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Book. Not books, The Lord of the Rings is and always has been a single book. It was divided into 3 volumes not books.
“Eowyn” is the first thing Theoden says when he comes back from Saruman’s spell, and it is also the last thing he says before his death
He says "Eowyn... I know your face." Both times.
There is so much symmetry in these movies that much of it gets missed. I've watched dozens of these reactions and one I've never seen anyone mention is the grasping hands of Sam and Frodo at Mt Doom mirroring when Frodo pulls Sam from the water at the end of Fellowship (right before Sam's "I made a promise, Mr Frodo. A promise." scene)
On a rewatch you start to see all of them and you come to realize just how truly amazing these movies are.
He says "I know your face...Aeowyn."
I love that he doesn't judge her for going against him to fight.
@@luckyspurs I think he knew she would, but he cared for her and the fate of his people too much to openly allow it.
“You bow to no one” is hands down one of the most emotional moments in movie history
Also very deserved. All four hobbits were essential to a lot of the victories of the good guys.
Kills me everytime. Even when I see reactions and not seen the mobile, it still kills me
Agree buddy
Over 20 years later and I still choke up every time. Best film trilogy ever.
this gets me every time i watch the movies and the reactions even i saw its almost a hundred times
13:48 Thank you for acknowledging a father's love for his daughter, and not just assuming he wants to control her. So many reactors immediately fall down the hole of assuming there is some sort of malevolence here. But there isn't. It's simply a father fearing for his daughter.
Well, he's her uncle, but I get your point.
@@stefannydvorak7919 Doesn't she, herself, refer to Elrond as "Adda" or "father"?
@@stefannydvorak7919 Elrond is Arwen's father. I think you mix up with the relation between Théoden and Eowyn.
tbf, "but don't you love ME, too?" is a hallmark manipulation
Elrond also had a brother (Elros) who chose to be mortal. Elrond had to watch his brother die for the same reason Arwen chose. It is extremely painful for him to relive it.
Part of Elrond's tragedy that isn't covered in the movies is that his wife Celebrian (who is Galadriel's daughter) is already in the Immortal Lands. She was ambushed and taken captive by orcs and tortured so horrifically, that when Elrond's sons (who also were cut from them movies, they have minor roles in the books including joining Aragon to fight in Gondor and Black Gate) eventually tracked the orcs down and rescued her, she could never again find joy in life, so she sailed to the West in hopes that her broken soul could be healed there. Elrond had already "lost" his wife for centuries, and Arwen staying behind and choosing mortal life means that she will now be lost to Elrond forever and she never gets to reunite with her mother either.
There's also Elros, his twin brother, who chose to live as a man instead of as an elf. Elros became the first king of Numenor. Isildur and later Aragorn descend from him. So it's very difficult for Elrond to see his daughter make the same choice to live and die as a mortal like his brother did so long ago.
He won't even be able to spend much time with his parents as Earendil has to stay on his ship and Elwing lives in her tower so she can fly to meet him each day. We never know the fates of Elladan and Elrohir but they were very tied to Middle Earth. Even many of his forebearers are mortal and he will never meet again. Elrond is truly the most tragic Elf.
I think they are shown when they reforge Anduril in Imladris.
@@chrisans2577 Elladan & Elrohir stayed with Celeborn in Lorien for a while (maybe a few years but certainly were gone when Arwen arrived) before passing over to Eressea.
The more you learn...
Aragorn's age in The Lord of the Rings is 87, thanks to his Dúnedain heritage. The Dúnedain have longer lifespans than ordinary men, but not as long as Elves.
He dies at the age of 210, after 122 years as king. The graves of Merry and Pippin (who had died in Gondor 58 years earlier) are set beside his. He is succeeded on the throne by his son, Eldarion. Arwen, heartbroken by the loss of her husband, dies one year later in Lothlórien. She was 2,901.
Someone else had read The Silmarillion (many times it seems). Namárië.
Aragorn’s heritage as a descendant of the Numenorian kings means he’s descended from Elrond’s brother, Elros. These brothers were half-elven, given a choice whether to be immortal or not. Elrond chose immortality and Elros chose mortality, though he and his descendants were granted long life.
@ Yep, and thus the marriage of Elessar and Arwen reunited the houses.
That is quite the age gap
@@Samhertzog Well, in human years she is basically 29 :D
The whole cast basically moved to New Zealand for 18 months, starting in 1998 and lived there like a family and you can really feel the connections between them in the movies...
The behind the scenes stuff from the old DVD set was always really fun to watch on its own for this reason.
John Rhys-Davies was the only one who spent a lot of time alone. When he goes on location for long periods, he chooses a hobby. In New Zealand for this, he took up sailing and spent most of his time off set sailing alone.
The Fellowship all got matching tattoos of "nine" written in elvish except John Rhys-Davies (Gimli), because "I am afraid of needles. So like all good actors, I gave the task to my stunt double, who got it in my place."
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The nostalgia they feel for the film must be overwhelming. It's tearful enough just having watched it.
What i like about Smeagals involvement at the end is that it shows that destroying the ring was truly an impossible task. That no one could ever truly bring themselves to destroy the ring no matter how pure their motivation was.
The one thing that bothers me about the Peter Jackson/Fran Walsh/Philippa Boyens adaptation is that they don’t give Gollum credit for the Ring’s destruction after it is destroyed.
In the books, Frodo and Sam give Gollum credit. He deserves it.
Poor Smeagol was the unwitting agent of fate, the ring’s own perversity, and divine intervention. I like that he had a brief moment of joy before he and the ring were destroyed. And, in the end, he “protected” his precious from Sauron.
In the end it's the ring's evil that destroys itself. The games it played with Frodo and Gollum, came back to bite it.
@@luckyspurs The ring destroying itself is definitely part of the equation, but so is divine providence (can’t remember which letter this is in). The interesting thing with the Ring is that Gollum swears on it, even when Frodo reminds him the Ring is treacherous. Gollum swears to help the master of the precious (Frodo). Gollum decides to steal the ring so he becomes the master of the precious, negating his promise. Promises sworn on powerful artifacts don’t work that way. Gollum breaks his promise, and the ring punishes him by having him fall into the fire, totally helpless to combat the fact that punishing Gollum will destroy itself. (In the book, during one of their confrontations, Frodo warns Gollum that if he double-crosses him, Frodo will use the ring to make Gollum cast himself into the fire.)
The divine providence comes in with all the pieces coming into play to allow the ring to be destroyed. Frodo pities Gollum and releases him. Gollum swears to help Frodo. Frodo manages to remain uncorrupted long enough to get to Mt. Doom. Sam keeps Frodo alive long enough to get to Mt. Doom. Gollum, bless his treacherous heart, steals the ring within moments of Frodo claiming it, and then has the most “convenient” bout of clumsiness and goes into the fire with the ring. I have to admit, I like the idea of the ring having a part in its own destruction, and I like the idea of Gollum being so damned happy for those few seconds before he hits the lava. Of all the ring’s “owners,” Smeagol’s story is the most pathetic.
@@nancyhayes9958This is where the book, again, is better. In the book there's no second fight between Frodo and Smeagol/Gollum. Gollum just trips and falls.
That adds a level of redemption for Frodo. He failed when he took the ring for himself, but he didn't compound it further - in the book - by attacking Gollum to get it back.
This was one of the last movies my mom an I saw before she passed away 9 years ago from cancer. She never really liked the fantasy genre so I kinda forced her to watch these movies with me for my birthday, and she wound up really liking them. After she passed per her last request I flew from New England to San Francisco by myself and scattered her ashes across the sea from the bay. I then played the song *”Into The West” by Annie Lennox* from this movie once I finished. And I swear to god the sun was starting to set in the afternoon on the sea just like in the movie.
So whenever I see these movies or hear that song not only do I remember spending my childhood watching these movies over and over I also remember showing my mom these movies and The Hobbit and her going from dismissing the genre to wanting to see more of these movies. And as painful as it is to see the ending scene of this movie and not imagine my mom smiling at me as she sails into that horizon (and yes I cry myself to exhaustion every time I see the ending now) I just remember Gandalf’s parting words and mom say to me “I will not say do not weep, for not all tears are an evil.”
So thank you J.R.R. Tolkien and thank you Peter Jackson for giving this nerd not just my favorite film trilogy ever but also a beautiful memory to hold on to whenever I rewatch these movies.
Brother, God bless your mother soul and your family
"Into the West" is a magnificent memento mori for anyone. I sometimes wish the reactors would give a mention to the end songs to these movies; they are superbly moving pieces of music by themselves.
Now you made me cry imagining that. I'm sorry for your loss, but you brought out beauty out of sadness. Thanks for sharing.
I hope you keep strong until the Creator reunite us with our loved ones in His Undying Lands one day.
@ thank you
Thank you for sharing these beautiful words.
Eowyn and Faramir's love story is quite sweet. They touch on it in the extended edition, but it's given a decent amount of attention in the book. Basically, they fall for each other during their recovery time from the battle. It's a beautiful arc for both characters who you fall in love with because of all the attention the story gives them ❤️
After the healing touch of the rightful king
@marcusfridh8489 right honestly I get why they can't put everything in the movie because everything that's involved in that snip-it of the story could honestly be another movie. (not 3 hours, of course , but you know)
Eowyn and Faramir's love story is my favorite part of the book.
"You bow to no one" is one of the hardest hitting lines ever.
I'm impressed. Kirsten held up a lot better than expected XD
Highly recommend watching the extended versions too!
Ooooh, not EE?
I always get more emotional on a rewatch of movies like these. The first watch everything is fresh, new and so much going on. On a rewatch there is so much more room for emotions to take center stage. These days even just hearing the music from the movie gets me emotional.
@@Vograx exactly, i didnt cried the first time i saw it in cinema, now i cry every 10 minutes even after 50th time.
Ladies, you may weep away; for not all tears are an evil.
Tears are expected, especially in the conclusion of an epic fantasy trilogy.
@neomoscoso 👍👏
39:22
“The dead do not suffer the living to pass”
“You will *SUFFER ME”*
The most badass Aragorn line in the entire trilogy
Meh..
Only guy ever to put a ghost king in his place by choking him tf out ❤😅
King Of The Dead - _help, help!_
_I’m being repressed!_
Aragorn - _BLOODY PEASANT!!_
Saying that pippin was being an idiot for pledging himself was a misread of him in that moment. Boromir was a hero to Pippin, and his death would have affected him deeply. It was a sense of duty, respect, and acknowledgment of courage and sacrifice that motivated pippin, and it reflected well on him as a character.
Yes. Of Merry and Pippin, it was Pippin who was far slower to REALLY grasp just how much was at stake. When the proverbial lightbulb turned on at last, he went all in.
In the book Gandalf doesn't belittle Pippin for doing it, he even praises him for the move, saying he thinks Pippin's pledge actually touched Denothor's heart.
Hobbits age differently. Pippin is the equivalent of an intelligent (note, I didn’t say wise), sheltered 16-year old.
After rewatching the movies for million times i still CRY.
Me too. I give in freely to my tears and the experience just gets more intense with each viewing.
Same. Even watching short clips and I am brought to tears.
I might not actually cry, but I definitely get misty. “I can’t carry it for you, but I can carry you” gets me every, simgle time.
Éomer taking out two Oliphaunts with a single spear throw will never get old.
always thought it looks pretty weird how that oliphaunt mahout fell xD
Yeah, I love that part. Merry and Eowyn make a great team when he guides the horse so she can hamstring one.
Also kind of did it in the most merciful way to the animals too.
That still only counts as 2
Frodo never fully healed from his wounds, which means he could never stay happy in Middle-Earth. He, Gandalf, Bilbo, and the rest are going to the undying lands (Elf heaven essentially), where mortal beings usually aren't allowed. An exception is made for Frodo and Bilbo because they were ring bearers. In the appendices we learn that Sam becomes mayor of the Shire and lives a long and happy life. After his wife dies, he also sails west to the undying lands because he was briefly a ring bearer. So Frodo and Sam do meet again. Merry and Pippin spend their days with Aragorn in Gondor, and when they die they are buried next to Aragorn's grave. Legolas and Gimli remain friends, and their friendship heals the rift between Dwarf and Elf. When they reach their end, they also sail to the undying lands together. It's a massive honor for Gimli, being a dwarf, and never a ring bearer. Once they leave, the fellowship is gone from Middle Earth forever.
Most people also don't realize that Frodo failed his quest. He and Sam are the only ones who know that Frodo broke. So Frodo lived the rest of his life in Middle Earth with an immense sense of guilt. Something like imposter's syndrome.
@@joshuawiedenbeck6944 Frodo did not fail. No one could have willingly destroyed the Ring. Tolkien wrote that himself. According to Tolkien, Frodo's only mission was to get the Ring to Mount Doom. After that, divine intervention was necessary. Frodo's mercy towards Gollum/Smeagol was what ultimately ended up saving Frodo. Yes, he felt the guilt of not being the one to destroy the Ring, but, again, NO ONE could have done it. No one. So, ultimately, Frodo succeeded in his actual mission. Eru Illuvatar provided the intervention of Smeagol.
so that's... what, six? "final" ships out of middle earth?
@@cybergeek11235 I think "last" in this context means last for the person taking. As in, they can't change their mind.
@@joshuawiedenbeck6944 Where did you dream up this load of crap dude. OMG, sometimes i just wish the moderator turned off comments..
Everyone always get sad that Frodo leaves Sam but in the cannon - Sam is eventually is allowed to join Frodo across the sea. He travels after Rosie dies to join Frodo across the sea. Also Legolas and Gimli also travel across the sea together. The story of what happens after the war is kind of cool for each character. Specially for Faramier and Aowen.
*Éowyn*
@@snakebite6x6x6I was about to reply the same 😂
And the fact that Merry and Pippin gets too get buried besides Aragorn after their death is a statement of how important they were for the people of middle Earth
It’s not stated for certain that Frodo is still alive - but I think we can assume that’s kind of the whole point of Sam sailing west.
Arwen dies alone in Lothlorien. 😔
The Lord of the Rings is the epitome of, "It's not about the destination, but about the journey," and the friendships you form along the way.
The irony of Gimli saying “an elf who’ll go underground where a dwarf dare not” is that the palace/fortress of Legolas’ father, the place where he was born and raised, is actually underground. So, Legolas has no problem following Aragorn. He’s kinda just trolling Gimli. 😂
I love Legolas and Gimli’s friendship.
"I give Hope to men. I keep none for myself." The epitaph of Gilraen, Aragorns mother. Aragorns elvish name is Estel, which means Hope.
The key to understanding ALL the battle scenes is remembering that the armies of Sauron can't deal with light. That's why darkness covers the lands before the armies proceed.
Also why Saruman created the Urukhai.
The insane thing is that the books are so much more than the films. The universe that Tolkien created is second to none!
That's not really an insane thing. Books , as a medium, have way more room for detail and development.
The world of Dune is even deeper and more realistic than this.
Even so, I prefer the films more than the books. That said, I prefer The Silmarillion more than the LOTR books, so. Just not a fan of the style of the writing, with ensemble stories, etc., and pacing. The thing that the LOTR (& HP) films did was get more folks to read, and that was great!
@@JackRobertson-op3ib Dune is not that great
The books 😑
Since you started this , i was impatiently waiting for you to see the iconic scene " i can't Carry it for you , but i can carry you "
Oh yeah, I can't wait to see their reaction. I guess Kristen will cry a lot in this reaction.
@hendrikworung1967 oh definitely she'll cry , I guess this one is emotionally heavier than the other two
it gets me every time, Sam MVP
I went to the midnight showing. The cheer in that moment was incredible.
@@Dwiimor the best 🔥
What makes this trilogy so iconic is not only the majestic work of Peter Jackson but the judicious choice of the actors! Everyone put their heart and soul into this project and it shows and feels! Ian McKellen delivers the performance of a lifetime and Elijah Wood and Sean Astin too. And every time I watch interviews about the actors' experience, it is unanimous, they were part of something bigger than themselves. The best trilogy of all time without a doubt for me.
It’s a truly exceptional series of movies. Imagine they would release this exact movie today. All republicans would cry ‘woke’ because of a woman who wants to be a warrior instead of sitting alone at home cooking for men. I really like Theodin more in Return of the King, he looked really weak in The Two Towers. Glad the movies did that better in the third. The cast was phenomenal as you said. I recently watched the Back to the future trilogy again and was surprised to see Elijah would as a kid in it and he looks so incredibly like we know him from this movies even as he was so young in the Back to the future 2.
And Howard shore
@@flerbus True! I forgot to mention it! He is a true genius! We are immersed in this world from the first notes of violins!
Be a bit careful when praising Peter Jackson. He is... a wild man. It was the Production Team that saved this movie. Jackson gave requests and orders, while the Production Team had gathered and made a secret sort of council to try and interpret his wishes in a feasible way.
And that is what saved the movie.
You know the scene where the two Mumakils crash into each other? If I remember correctly, that scene was finished and put in the movie less than 24 hours before the Movie went out to the world.
In the premiere for Return of the King, Jackson sat down with the other actors to watch the movie. Where he said he was looking forward to seeing it. As he had never actually seen the whole movie edited and completed. He had gone straight from the editing room to the premiere.
Sean Bean as Boromir. Bean made him real.
Fellowship "I'm glad you're with me Samwise Gamgee"
Return of the King "I'm glad to be with you Samwise Gamgee"
Brilliant character development
38:45 Common "modern" misconception...
Eowyn and Merry weren't told to stay back from war because they were "looked down upon or "weak""... Theoden and Eomer tried to spare them from the horrors of battle and keep them alive to continue to live in the world and continue to do good.
Theoden wanted Eowyn to lead the people, because he trusted her. That's a big deal and an honorable thing. Same thing at Helm's Deep. The honorable thing isn't always to die or to experience death and horror... sometimes it's to keep living and keep doing good.
Eowyn was basically a princess. A prince would not be told to stay back from war, he sent out his sons to lead contingents without any second thought. So yes, it is to do with her being a woman, even if you don't like it lol.
“Only the length of his arm”…because Merry is so small, a man with a longsword can take Merry’s head off before Merry could get close enough to touch the man with his own little sword.
@@Prince_the_Oneand yet our own Prince William was not permitted join his own frontline forces because he is the Crown Prince and the risk to the Realm was too great.
It's not really a misconception, if anything it's both wanting to save them from the horrors of war and because they're not men. Remember the male children were brought out to defend Helm's Deep before any of the adult women.
@@Prince_the_One And just because you disagree doesn't make you right either lol.
I was fortunate and lucky enough to see the extended edition of this trilogy that was remastered to 4K in a theater earlier in the year. They only showed one movie per day for three days straight, and since these movies came out when I was too young to see them in theaters I was not going to pass up the opportunity to watch them like that for the first time. Without question it was the best movie experience I've ever had.
I will be going to.a marathon of all 3 movies (extended editions) in one day at my local theater. We start in the morning and watch until evening. There's a break a "potty" break between #1 & 2 and between #2 & 3 a longer (30 minutes or so) dinner break. They take pizza orders (by the slice) as we enter and have pizzas delivered at dinner time. There's also a costume contest (I enjoy the show but don't costume) and door prizes during the break. It's an adventure for me and now it's usually around my birthday so it's my present to myself.
I still remember going to see Return of the King in theaters. It was so epic.
I wish they would release them again for everyone to see on the big screen. I'm sure they would be a huge success.
They also had an option after those 3 days for a back to back marathon of all 3, it was pretty bad ass
I never had a problem with the exuberant reunion of Frodo with the other members of the Fellowship. You have to remember that Frodo doesn't know Gandalf is alive, and would have been extremely scared that more of his friends would have died. And it's been months since they've seen one another.
Have to remember too that he saw Pippen and Merry sacrifice themselves for him, not just Gandalf's fall.
That's the last point at which he knows anything that happened to any of them bar himself and Sam, save for hearing about Boromir's death.
They watched Towers and King back to back. 6 hours of LotR, good job ladies.
but they didnt watch the Extended Edition.
@@JinxedByZ😂
Is it not something normal to do? 😶 I watch three extended movies back to back once a year on my birthday..
@@JinxedByZ bUt ThEy dIdNt wAtCh tHe eXtEnDeD eDiTiTiOn
@@Th3hUnT3R1 are you having a stroke?
On Elijah Woods' final day of shooting, Peter Jackson kept asking for more takes because he didn't want to say goodbye to him. One of the people on set said that they had good takes well before Jackson finally called it quits.
For me one of the sadest dialogeus in this movie is Frodos line: "No, Sam. I cant recall the taste of food, nor the sound of water, nor the touch of grass. I'm naked in the dark. There's nothing--no veil between me and the wheel of fire. I can see him with my waking eyes!"
It shows how much of a toll it took on Frodo. He lacks the very most basic and probably comforting things there are for a human or to put it better probably also for a Hobbit.
So one cant blame him for not being able to destroy the ring through will power. If i recall it correctly even the God Eru Illuvatar intervened and made Gollum slip to put an end to the ring.
Someone can blame him. Himself. He never did recover from the guilt of 'failing' his mission. That's part of the reasons he had to sail to the undying lands, to heal his wounded soul.
The way I always interpreted the scene was that NO ONE could intentionally destroy the ring. In Mount Doom, the ring had an irresistible power over anyone who held it. Eru Illuvatar had woven into the tapestry of fate to place Gollum and Frodo on the precipice because that way the ring could be destroyed in the struggle over it. Gandalf had an inclination of the plan, since the first movie in Moria when he admitted that Gollum had some part to play that he couldn't foresee. He had to be spared by Bilbo, so that he could lead Sam and Frodo to the fires of Mount Doom and take his Precious down with him. Gollum life was a tragedy, but one that ultimately saved the entire world from certain doom.
@@Knightmare435 Yes, and it's also important for Tolkien and his writing a Christian story.
What saved the day isn't a great hero triumphantly overcoming evil. It's mercy and grace that did.
It's also the self-destructive nature of evil, as the Ring was destroyed in a scuffle over it.
It really mirrors Golem's story too. He forgot the taste of bread and touch of grass. Whoever has the Ring thinks it's the most important thing they own. They don't even realize all it takes from them.
@@davidtr2010 Also, even though Tolkien has said that LotR was not meant to be an allegory of WWI, he pulled a lot from his experiences in the war (and I think he meant that it's about the larger picture dealing with war, greed, hope, brotherhood, love, bravery, etc., not just one historic event). I've always interpreted Frodo as his take on a soldier who has seen too much, done too much, and so, mentally, can't ever go home again. Even when the Hobbits get back home from the great war, it's just not the same for them (and, for Frodo, it never will be again).
I mean, the four Hobbits have shared the experience of war that the rest of the people in their home village will never be able to understand, but Frodo has been broken by the experience, even beyond the other three. Him leaving for the Undying Lands is a metaphor, imo, of a soldier who never recovers from their experience and thus decides to "go to Heaven" early (even down to it being a surprise that he leaves AND leaves a note behind for Sam, telling him to go on living). The movie puts it into a positive light and makes it a beautiful thing -- he didn't off himself, he went to "the Undying Lands" to find peace -- but I think it was Tolkien's way of dealing with the subject of soldiers who don't survive the toll the war has taken on them and thus decide to "check out early" (I hate having to talk around it so much - it feels ridiculously childish -- but trying not to get flagged by YT).
Basically, I think it was Tolkien's way of spinning a sad subject and making it feel hopeful and beautiful. He didn't end himself; he went on to the Undying Lands, a place we can't follow and from where he'll never come back, to heal and find peace.
I think this idea is backed up by the fact that the other people who are going to the Undying Lands with Frodo are Bilbo (who is extremely old and at the end of his life (aka passing of natural causes and moving on to "the next adventure") and Gandalf (who only came back to life to finish his unfinished business and, now that it's complete, can finally leave this mortal coil). Going to the Undying Lands is a metaphor for dying.
Some interesting things to notice:
- Ever since Boromir fell, Aragorn has been wearing his wrist braces.. you can see him putting them on when Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas are by the river, when deciding to go save Merry and Pippin.
- Before the ring is destroyed, Sam asks Frodo if he remembers the shire, and recalls it with fond memories but Frodo feels nothing. After the ring is destroyed, Sam recalls it but is sad, but Frodo finally feeling anything at all is very happy.
Some fun facts:
- At some point later in the story, when Legolas returns to undying lands (where Gandalf and Frodo went), he brings Gimli.. Gimli is the first dwarf to ever go there..
- And Sam also travels there later in his life
- Sams daughter is actually played by Sean Astins daughter.
Frodo knew "the words" because he fluent enough in the Elven language Quenya. Bilbo taught it to him when he was growing up.
Yes Bilbo and Frodo are fairly scholarly compared to other hobbits. And they've had enough interactions with Elves to be labelled as "elf friends", which is a sort of blessing, not just a title.
L.O.T.R. was, is, and will always be the GREATEST FANTASY TRILOGY! great reaction you two beautiful women!
Kristen pointing out the strength of Pippin resisting Sauron thru the Palantir, when Saruman could not 🔝
Thank you for this it’s something I haven’t noticed and I saw these movies when they released.
Saruman was not corrupted by Sauron, Saruman was corrupted by his long study of the the enemies arts as the books clearly state. He was fooling Sauron and Sauron had no idea Saruman was not truly loyal to him. Please don't change the story.
Standing silent with one’s mouth agape from shock isn’t “resisting Sauron”. It’s more like having your brain broken.
@@Prince_the_One talking about the movie, not the book. Not trying to change anything, just commenting on a good movie. I read the book and loved it, one of my favorites. But you couldn’t resist being mean, could you?
@@Mistmantle88 he didn’t answer. So yes, he was shocked, and yet didn’t say anything.
That gut wrenching cry from Eowyn... it gets me all the time. Miranda Otto did an amazing job. RIP BernardHill.
Fun fact: In the final scene where Sam is greeted by his kids, it was actually Sean Astin's real daughter.
The girl was his. The baby boy was the actresses newborn
Too bad Sean Astin turned into a bit of an idiot IRL ... embracing the political faction that is for warmongering instead of the ones that are against it. He hasnt learned anything from playing Sam at all ... because "the ring" symbolises *"power you should never want to ever use",* but his party/team does so ...
I'm sure he's a nice man and all of us are sheep who are easily led looking for the voice of our proper shepherd.
@@Muck006 No reason at all to bring politics into this. Just let people be wholesome here man.
And she's 28 years old now! How time flies.
Frodo’s leaving for me represents a major case of PTSD. And by going to the Undying Lands he will be able to find healing. J.R.R. Tolkien fought in World War I. And as a result of that war, he lost a number of childhood friends. He also saw how much of his generation, who fought in the war suffered lifelong physical and mental injuries. And I think he really drew up upon that understanding in his portrayal of how much Frodo’s journey carrying the Ring had affected him, as well as the injury that never healed from the Witch King’s blade. While Sam, on the other hand, was an example of someone who’s life had also been significantly changed by his journey. But he was able to go on and lead a fulfilling life with his family and benefit from all the sacrifices that he and everyone else had made along the way. I totally agree that Sam is the MPV of the story!
A quick note is that when gandalf came on the eagles to save Frodo and Sam, he showed up with 3 eagles... Gandalf brought 3 because he never gave up hope that Smeagol could come back from what the ring had done to him. The 3rd eagle was for Smeagol.
That's just something that fans have made up. No where in the books have Tolkein ever said that the third eagle was for Smeagol.
So a bit of uplifting stuff from the book.
Merry and Pippin ended up moving to Minas Tirith later in life after having families in the Shire (They were buried next to Aragorn)
Aragorn ruled for 120-ish years before passing the title to his son. He died in his early 200's, with Arwen traveling to Lorien and passing away from a broken heart.
Gimli migrated a group of dwarves to the glittering caves behind Helms Deep and became King there.
Legolas traveled with Gimli for a time before bringing his people to Ithilien to rebuild. After Aragorn's death, he sailed west with Gimli to the Undying Lands, with Gimli being the first and only dwarf to ever travel there.
Sam had his family and after Rosie passed, he was permitted to sail west to The Undying lands as he was technically a ringbearer, even though he only had the One Ring for a short time. He eventually reunited with Frodo and most Gandalf, Legolas and Gimli.
Humans eventually ruled all of Middle Earth, Orcs were exterminated & Elves and Dwarves eventually faded away into nothingness.
When Arwen saved Frodo she said "whatever light is in me, may it pass to him." I think the idea is that she bound herself to Frodo to save him and so her fate became tied to his. The darkness of the ring is slowly destroying Frodo, and so it's destroying her too.
This may not be cannon in the books IDK but it sure makes a good tie-in for the movies as to why her fate is tied to the fate of the Ring.
I always assumed its just because she chose to stay in middle earth, so if the quest for the ring fails she too would be destroyed along with everything else
Arwen loses her immortality because she chose to stay in Middle-Earth alongside her love Aragorn living a mortal life. She did this instead of going with her kin to The Undying Lands. In this she chooses to be counted to the race of men which is connected to her half-elven heritage.
Book canon-wise, the choice of giving up her immortality was given to Arwen through her blood. She's born of the line of Luthien, who gave up her eternal life for a mortal. Elrond had a brother, Elros, who chose to be a man and gave birth to the line that would birth Aragorn centuries later. then Elrond's daughter also made the same choice for Aragorn.
The Frodo theory is pretty good in the context of the film, given the stakes of Arwen's life in the balance was a way to flesh out Liv Tyler's character. She does a lot more in the movie than in the books.
How many generations get to make the choice?
If you're wondering about The Eagles. They're the servants of Manwe, the chief Valar (gods) and friends to Gandalf. Gandalf is a lesser god (Angel, basically) who serves Manwe as well.
1:19:40 Gandalf brought 3 eagles in case Smeagle was still alive. That in itself shows how good Gandalf is, even though there should be no confusion about that lol
And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his
own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in
Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations
to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of
him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the
door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was
revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies
were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but
his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his
deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung.
From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his
stratagems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a
tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains
suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and despaired. For they
were forgotten. The whole mind and purpose of the Power that
wielded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the
Mountain. At his summons, wheeling with a rending cry, in a last
desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nazgûl, the Ringwraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurtled southwards to Mount
Doom.
This is fan fiction. Tolkien never made any reference towards such in the books or any related work.
@@lilboyblue226 did you click on the timestamp or do you just like to argue
@@GMDTurbo I know what you are talking about and it is fan fiction. Yes there were 3 eagles in the shot but no where in any writing is it said that this is because one was for Smeagle. Fans made this up, it is not what Tolkien ever intended.
As far as im concerned, the 3rd eagle is security for the other two carrying the pay load
That little cry Éowyn does over Théoden's body when he passes away cuts deep every time!
In the book, Denethor had a seeing stone. Sauron showed him what couldve been, and it drove him mad.
He also died in the tomb, not running a whole 100yd dash to jump off the cliff lol..
Yes... Driven close to madness by grief and the constant pressure of war at his door (seemingly alone)
The fall on fire is more cinematic. Some changes are good.
@@JeshuaSquirrel More cinematic doesn't always mean better.
It's a cool shot though, and doesn't take anything else away
@@Tarnbar You're kidding, right? It's _ridiculous._ Given how far it was from the tomb to the end of the courtyard, it must have taken him a couple of minutes to run that far if you didn't get to cut to the end using movie editing. He's an old man and he's _on fire._ It's farcical, and that very much does take away from things.
Never has anything been more heartfelt than this comment. Your journey into LOTR warmed my soul and now you got a fan, ladies and gentleman I salute you.
1:30:31 "Mary and Poppin had theirs..."😂😂
Her not EVER getting Merry and Pippin right, and clearly holding some 'Mary Poppins' bullshit in her head, drove me nuts.
The filming of these movies actually took 2 full years. The entire cast talks about what a magical experience it was to be in New Zealand for so long.
Billy Boyd and Dominic Monaghan still do a podcast together, I think.
The coldest break up line I have heard: "It is but a shadow and a thought that you love." Brutal.
1. It wasn't cold. It was the truth. Eowyn didn't really know Aragorn. She was "in love" with what she thought he was.
2. It wasn't a breakup line. Aragorn's heart belongs to Arwen and always has. There was never a chance.
But he was so right, I mean this is happening in real life with a lot of people.
@@Karaokuma1. The truth can be cold and in this case was perceived as such. 2. On her part it felt like breaking off a relationship that could become
@@goterdordel7385 1. Perception is not truth. 2. See number 1
@@Karaokuma intelligent response
It is important to remember we are not seeing all the battles of the War of the Ring.
The Rohirim left for Minas Tirith on March 13, arriving on March 15. Meanwhile, unknown to them, on March 12 some of the orc survivors of the Battle of Isengard tried to attack Rohan, but were defeated by the Ents who were defending Rohan while the Rohirim rode to Gondor.
Meanwhile the Elves in Lothlórien were attacked by orc forces from Dol Goldur on March 11, 15 and 22 and repelled each time. This was called the Battle under the Trees.
The dwarves of the Lonely Mountain and the men of Dale (from The Hobbit) were also fighting the Easterling army from March 14 to 17. Both their kings died in the battle. They then retreated to the Lonely Mountain which remained under siege until March 27. But after the news of the fall of Sauron on March 25 reached them their forces rallied to retake their kingdoms.
Finally, in the books there was the Battle of The Shire. I won’t spoil the books, but lets just say the hobibits had their own problems to deal with.
The Hobbit battle was in the main story in the books. The rest were summarized in the appendices, to show this was truly a world war and not just the events we saw.
Part of the brilliance of these films is that the theatrical release, *and* the extended release, are both perfectly paced. The biggest contribution of the extended edition is filling out the backstory of the Boromir/Faramir/Denethor dynamic.
The extended editions are a MUST. They're considered to be *the* versions to watch! Sure, the pacing does suffer a very tiny bit, but the character and world building, the extra dialogues just add so much to it.
It took me years to realise that Frodo did not relinquish the ring of his own free will. It was stolen from him by Gollum, after he was corrupted completely by it, then it was destroyed accidentally when they fought for it. Losing the ring for him was greater than the loss of a loved one, leaving a hole he never could recover from. He couldn’t go on continuing as is, when he had lost so much of himself along the way. It’s tragic really! Loved your reactions! ❤
There is still an element of choice involved in the movie. Visually, you see that the ring doesn't start to dissolve before Frodo regains the will to try and climb back up. That's him giving up the ring.
He needed a harsh nuage because he stumbled, and he's saved by his choice not to kill Gollum. In the book that choice's the only thing that saves him.
Bilbo is the only being who left th4e ring behind by sheer will power.
I believe Tolkien once said that there in the seat of Sauron's power no one could willingly destroy the ring.
@@j.w.2166Sam, who was also a hobbit.
@@telynns8490It’s in one of his letters. He said that Frodo’s failure wasn’t a moral one, which I interpret as Frodo didn’t fail because he was weak: anyone would have failed because the Ring was that strong.
The boy who played the role of Eldarion, the first-born son of Aragorn and Arwen and his successor on the throne, is Sadwyn Brophy, son of fellow actor Jed Brophy , who plays the role of the dwarf Nori in the film adaptation of "The Hobbit", also directed by Peter Jackson.
Most of the Rohan riders were Women in fake beards, because they were the ranchers who actually owned the stunt Horses, so it was easier for production to just put the women in costume cause they were able to control the horses..
It’s an interesting juxtaposition between the days of Shakespeare, when women couldn’t act on stage and men dressed in women’s clothing, to the opposite...
It's also ironic with the plot of Eowyn coming disguised as a man. I like to think that we're just following Eowyn, but she's like all Rohirim women and that Theoden just doesn't notice that his army is actually 80% women.
It’s the beards...😆
@@Djorgal ? You want the Orcs to win? :P
Bruh, false.
@@JackRobertson-op3ib No, it's actually true. The film team talk about it in one of the Behind-the-scenes clips on the Extended version BluRay.
One thing I wish they hadn't changed from the book...when Pippin finds Merry after the battle, in the book Merry asks "Have you come to bury me?" That line hit so hard.
1:31:46 Disagree, Frodo basically gave up a large chunk of himself to complete the mission.
The extended editions make it so much better. it gives backstory that allows you to really get why certain things happened so you can appreciate characters and understand them more. Highly recommended!
Sam became Mayor of the Shire and was re-elected for forty years. When he grew old and retired, the elves gave him the honor of joining Frodo in the Undying Lands.
Merry and Pippin moved to Gondor, where they lived a life of luxury and happiness, then, after dying at an advanced age, they were buried in the mausoleum of the kings of Gondor.
Aragorn unified the kingdoms of Middle-earth and decreed that the Shire would be a sanctuary and would never be disturbed. Aragorn returned the blessings of his ancestors and departed at the age of 260.
Legolas ruled the last remnant of the Elven people and Gimli gave the "dwarfs" a jewel made from Galadriel's hair. Both friends built a ship to travel to the Undying Lands, where Gimli could admire his elven maiden forever.
I probably spelled the names wrong, but it's hard to type on the bus, so at least I managed to say what I wanted.
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Great summary! 🙂
In a matter of fact, Gollum and Shelob the spider know each other quite well. It's not a thing in the movie, but they have a kind of special relationship, an understanding. Gollum is very knowledgeable with those tunnels as he uses them all the time, going in and out of Mordor.
All for the low low price of a few goblin implings here and there
I literally just woke up. I'm making breakfast. Then I have some cleaning to do before I take a shower. I plan on RELAXING all day after that. So this is perfect timing! Once I'm done I'm totally sitting down with some snacks and going to watch. I cant wait! 😍
Watch while eating breakfast and relax , THEN do housework .😉
Sounds like a great day. Enjoy! 😊
The precise example of the perfect trilogy and perhaps the only one.
Now it's your time to watch The Hobbit extended, and continue your journey through middle earth
What a great journey you both had watching these movies ❤❤ you opened your heart, felt all the emotions, and now have lived in middle earth just like all of us. ❤
Since the time I saw this movie in the theater (4x) I’ve maintained my position that this is the greatest movie ever made.
"You bow to know one" is the best line in cinema history, quickly followed up by "I cant carry it for you, but I can carry you." The hardest part about this series is the deep understanding that when it ends you will never experience a story this beautiful for the rest of your life. same feeling I had at the end of Halo 3. Stuff like this is magic, and the fact I cry every single time is a testament to the best writing in the world.
Based. You hit the nail on the head, including halo 3.
The scene where the four Hobbits sit in the Green Dragon at the end, should be mentioned.
When Tolkien attended the King Edward's School in Birmingham in 1913, he and a group of others formed the T.C.B.S. Or the "Tea Club, Barrovian Society". The core members were considered to be the "big four" of Tolkien, Geoffrey Bache Smith, Christopher Wiseman, and Robert Gilson.
Here they would discuss the old legends and the Medieval world and all such. As they all had a love for that period in time. A love of poetry and all such.
All four of them went to fight in the First World War, which broke out the year after.
And it was here in the trenches that the first little hints and small pieces of stories of Middle Earth were born.
Geoffrey Bache Smith wrote a letter to Tolkien from the trenches:
"My chief consolation is that if I am scuppered tonight there will still be left a member [of our school group] to voice what I dreamed and what we all agreed upon. For the death of one of its members cannot, I am determined, dissolve [the group]. Death can make us loathsome and helpless as individuals, but it cannot put an end to the immortal four! May God bless you my dear John Ronald and may you say things I have tried to say long after I am not there to say them if such be my lot."
Yours ever,
G. B. S.
He was killed that night.
By 1918, all but one of his close friends were dead.
At the end of Return of the King when Frodo wakes up in bed and sees Gandalf smiling at him, *this is the first time Frodo finds out that Gandalf did not die in Moria.* All those months of traveling and until that very moment Frodo was burdened with Gandalf's death. Hence Frodo's joyous laughter.
His memory of his friend and mentor, was that of *Gandalf The Grey.*
(Why Gandalf was laughing so maniacally? I have no idea.)
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I think in the book Pippin comes to realize that under all the care and worry that Gandalf carries is a deep wellspring of love and joy, one that could set the world laughing. Incidentally, when Gandalf talks about the “green country under a swift sunrise”, that’s what Frodo sees in the books after sailing into the west. Those who remain in the Havens see only overcast grey skies as they leave for home.😢
Not just that, but the next two people he sees are Pippin and Merry, who he last saw sacrificing themselves to help him escape.
1:03:10 I wanna point something out. The only 2 people in all of Middle Earth to ever willingly give up the One Ring were Sam and Bilbo. Granted, to throw the One Ring into Mount Doom is nigh impossible, but also for Bilbo to give it up after having it for what? 70 years? The amount of willpower you would need to have to let that go is absolutely incredible. Sam only had it for about a couple of hours, but he wasn't ever corrupted by it, thank God. Frodo was more important to him than the One Ring, and that says something.
Not sure if it was cannon in the books...but boromir gave frodo the ring back on the mountain...
@@GrubbsyQue While Aragorn looked on low key clutching his sword hilt pre unsheath standing by as to say if you don’t hand it over to the Hobbit in the next 5 seconds or try ANYTHING at all I am going to fu*%ing KILL YOU, without actually saying it
Plus Boromir feigns disinterest saying I care not, but clearly he was lying through his teeth,
Thus is the depth of Sauron’s corruption of good into evil
and trust, honour in to falsehood, veiled manipulation
Others were tempted to take it but also passed the test of temptation such as Aragorn, Gandalf, Galadriel, Faramir etc
I love in the book when Sam has the ring and it tries to tempt him. All it could come up with to tempt him with was to turn the world into one big garden. And Sam pretty much says "Pffftttt... that's silly".
@ ain’t no thing for him anyway, once Samwise The Brave gets through with the ruffians in Mordor he knows darn well the world will once again be one big garden thanks to him,
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Eowyn gets credit for stabbing the Witch King in the face and destroying him, but nobody seems to give credit to Merry for stabbing the Witch King with the barrow blade which essentially broke the spell that made the Witch King unkillable.
It just an ordinary blade in the movies though. In the movie the Witch King just got double whammied. First he is stabbed by a person who is no man, as in not a human, and then by a person who is literally not a man but a woman. The prophecy is a bit more prophetic in the movie version, IMHO, less lucky chance that some random hobbit just ended up with a magic blade and more like an actual prophecy that has a loop hole that Witch King in his arrogance does not see.
1:22:33 As a father now to a daughter, the look on Elrond's face will always hurt me in the best possible way. Hugo Weaving NAILS the mixture of joy and sadness.
Hands down best trilogy of all time!
Some lore and fun facts:
10:54 pippin grabbing the palantir actually helped the free peoples so much. He learned that Sauron was planning on razing Minas Tirith to the ground, that black ships were coming from the south, a surprise ambush. And because it was Saruman’s palantir that pippin held, Sauron assumed that Saruman had captured the ring bearer and was showing off his prize. So Sauron sent off Nazgûl o collect the ring bearer, giving the men at Osgiliath a small break from their siege. They learned a lot while also unintentionally tricking Sauron and not giving up any real info.
38:26 the thing about Eowyn isn’t that her uncle or brother think she is weak, it’s that she is the last of the royal family, the last heir of the throne. She has further responsibilities to care for the rest of the kingdom and be Queen. Theoden and Eomer believe they’re riding to death. So they want her to stay behind and rule for them. To find a worthy husband and carry on the royal line. They know she can fight and is capable. But she doesn’t want to be locked up ruling without helping. She doesn’t believe it is noble to ask others to fight without doing it herself.
Super fun fact, the Orc lieutenant 43:19 who is disfigured and walks with a limp, was actually mocked after Harvey Weinstein. Peter Jackson had large disagreements with Weinstein and of course the rumors had already been flying. So Peter gave him a cameo of sorts, and mocked him with one of the ugliest orcs looking almost exactly like Weinstein.
45:50 different spiders, but same family. There were once many many giant spiders, the spiders that attacked Bilbo and the Dwarves are probably offspring of this spider, whose name is Shelob. Or perhaps offspring of one of Shelobs siblings. Shelob was the greatest offspring of Ungoliant, who was pretty much a force of nature or the universe. She was essentially darkness incarnate. Her webs were spun of pure shadow and darkness, she was perhaps a child of the void, and her hunger was insatiable. She ate light, absorbed it and became more powerful. She could grow to immense sizes, and was so powerful at her peak even the Valar, the gods who created the whole universe were not powerful enough to break her webs and fight her in a one on one fight; she once imprisoned Morgoth, Sauron’s old boss, and he had to be freed by an army of Balrogs, who used their firey whips to break her webs and save him. She was some kind of dark spirit to represent, hunger, darkness, despair, and the void itself.
47:30 this movie doesn’t do Denethor justice. Short story is: he has been mentally tortured and his soul weakened thru decades of using the palantir to wage mental war with Sauron. He had gained some victories this way, but slowly been driven mad thru Saruman and Sauron insidiously breaking him down. That and his wife became sick after giving birth to Faramir, and was weakened until she died when Faramir was young. He loved her so much and that poisoned the relationship between Faramir and Denethor. When Boromir died, it broke him completely. He was basically fully insane and his courage broken down, he had no hope after being shown the fall of Gondor for decades by Sauron.
54:17 this is probably the first time any of those men have even seen an Olliphant. So they would be absolutely stunned. Olliphants are incredibly large, much larger than African elephants of today. It would be something that stunned the riders, and they had no clue how to deal with them really.
1:19:26 they even sent an eagle for Sméagol.
45:29 I love this bc Frodo actually doesn’t know the words, in the books he seemingly says the words unconsciously like something was possessing him, a small hint there was some sort of “divine intervention” involved, small stuff that the movies added- kind of a nod to the book’s bigger emphasis on their deities intervening
Back in the early 00s when Lord of the Rings premiered in cinemas it was in late December each year, that's why it's a christmas trilogy for those of us that saw it in theaters. 19th December 2001, 18th December 2002 and 17th December 2003.
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The only movies I’ve ever taken PL for because I wanted to see the first show on the opening day.
I cannot recommend it enough that you guys watch the extend editions on your own time. They are more filling, more content, more backstory, more everything and gives answer to many question that was asked during all 3 movies. Highly recommend it!
If you want a true tearjerker, when Arwen called Elrond "Ada", she was using a very informal version of the word "father". She basically called him "daddy" in Elvish.
I always felt that Smeagol/Gollum is the living embodiment of an addict. He's addicted to the Ring like it's cocaine or heroin. Frodo and Sam's attitudes towards him were how people in society view addicts: Frodo was the type of person who wants to help an addict get clean while Sam thinks it's only a matter of time before they start using again. I truly believe that even if Faramir hadn't ambushed him in Two Towers, Gollum would have tried to take the Ring at some point. An addict does not get clean by constantly being exposed to their addiction, like an alcoholic doesn't stay sober living next to a bar or liquor store.
While Gollum is the embodiment of addiction, Frodo is the embodiment of PTSD. He never truly recovered from that stab wound from Weathertop, plus the physical burden of carrying the Ring and the mental trauma that it put him through. Also, despite seeing what the Ring had done to Gollum, what it was doing to Bilbo and even Boromir, and that his friends, his home and every good person on Middle-Earth was counting on him to destroy the Ring, he still tried to take it for himself and he could never forgive himself for that moment of weakness. I truly believe that the only thing that kept him from letting go and falling into the lava was that Sam would have jumped right in after him, and he couldn't do that to Sam.
People watch Lord of the Rings around Christmas BECAUSE the films released around Christmas time in theaters.
The ONLY one missing from the Fellowship reunited scene was Boromir tragically. BTW, the ONLY known roles where Sean Bean DOESN'T die in are roles pertaining to Greek mythology, like Troy or Percy Jackson and the Olympians.
When you talk PTSD and adventure, I suggest watching another film that has both AND is TECHNICALLY is a Christmas movie...Rambo: First Blood. I know this channel covered it but Achara and Kristen should DEFINITELY watch and react to it if they haven't.
And yes, I cry whenever I see Return of the King, but never as hard as the first time when I saw it in theaters.
Just a little bit from the book for Kristen and achara.(Sorry if I spelled wrong. I suck with names)
Sam and frodo do meet again after frodo leaves. When Sam's children are old enough. He's sure he is no longer needed, he leaves from the grey havens(the port at the end of the movie) and travels to the undying lands to rejoin his friend.
Merry and Pippin remain besties until they're old men. They spend the last of their days at Gondor hanging out with aragorn.... Now King elessar. And when they pass, they're entombed in the royal catacombs with the past kings of Gondor.
Legolas and gimli remained bros for centuries. Having many adventures. But legolas like the other elves decided he had to join his kin in the undying lands..... And brings gimli"elf friend" with him.
Aragorn. Ruled Gondor and rebuilt the kingdom of arnor. He had several children with arwen. At the ripe age of 210 years he finally died.... His body was placed beside Merry and Pippin.
after all the years of watching The Lord of the Rings, I sort of developed a reflex: each time I hear "My friends, you bow to no one" I cry so hard...
If someone doesn't tear up at "I can't carry it for you, but I can carry you" and "My friends, you bow to no one", then you might be dealing with a Ringwraith.
1:07:45 regarding the undead army helping them fight near Mordor wouldn’t work but in fact be so bad because Sauron is a master of necromancy so he could probably take them for himself
I do cry everytime I watch it and I do a movie marathon with the extended editions on Christmas. I saw all of them in theaters when they were first released and they are still some of the best movies ever made.
Please watch the Extended versions... they will explain so much!
Kristen referring to the Hobbits as her 'babies' - priceless. Great reaction by you ladies for the trilogy :D
Half elven children get to decide if they want to live as immortal elves or mortal men. Elrond is a half elf that decided to live as an elf, and his brother Elros, was a half elf that decided to live as a man and died long time before the events of LOTR.
And, in a way making Elrond and Aragorn cousins.
@@FosterTravis1071 very very very distant ones
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In a way, having a human side of the family introduced much more genetic material over time. Good news for Arwen and Aragorn 😂
Elrond’s parents, Elrond and his twin, and Elrond’s kids are the only ones who got to make the choice.
Aragorn's speech of the black gate was one of my favorite speeches of all time. I remember each word from the speech. Some people may call it is just a story. But in that speech there is so much. "A DAY MAY COME" imagine he was talking about today.
Me: I’m not drinking tonight
Me after 4 shots: things are now in motion that can not be undone!
When Frodo leaves at the end of the movie, it’s like he symbolizes the story itself. We’re the ones tearfully saying goodbye to the story like we would for our closest friend.
Principal photography was around 1.3 years, with pick-ups happening for a couple of the following years.
-There was a scene where they had to start at dawn, one of those tracking scenes with Gimli, Aragorn and Legalos I believe. Well Viggo suggested, instead of an early call and being transported out to the location for shooting, how about the crew just do a camping trip the night before; he said he would do the fishing and provide food. Well...! Other people heard about this and even though they weren't on the call sheet, they wanted to be there for the camping/family aspect, because they had (as you mentioned) really grown to be a family at that point.
- Viggo's last day I believe was doing Helm's Deep shots with the stunt team, comprised of mostly Maori. They gave him a celebration and traditional haka dance and, dang I'm weeping as I type(!), you have to look up the clip, they talk about all being a family...
So, quick overview about Elrond's lineage.
Eärendil the Mariner and his wife Elwing were half-elves whose descendants were given the privilege to choose between the fate of men and the fate of elves.
Elves are immortal, but their fate is tied to that of the world of Arda itself.
Men have the gift of death - their souls depart from this world to a fate that only Eru Iluvatar (the Tolkienverse God) knows of.
When someone chooses a mortal life, it passes on to their descendants, as well, so the gift of choice no longer applies.
Anyways, Earendil and Elwing had two sons: Elrond and Elros. Elros chose a mortal life, while Elrond chose an immortal life.
Elros was the first king of Numenor, and aragorn's direct ancestor. This is part why the dunedain have such long lives - they are men who descended from partially elvish (and also partially angelic) ancestry.
The thing about immortality is... it also means that the passage of time doesn't heal grief that much compared to the passage of time for mortals. This is why Elves are so hesitant to form bonds with mortal beings - the pain of loss will always linger with them, for hundreds, or even thousands of years.
For Elrond, the grief of losing his brother is still almost as strong as it was thousands of years ago. And the grief of losing his daughter will last for thousands of years once she dies.
It is quite a tragic fate for him, to be parted with so many of his kin, never really healing from the grief because of his immortality.
We need a filmed reaction of Kristen and Roxy chatting about the time Viggo asked out Kristen on set... Roxy is soooo Viggo-obsessed... 😂 please we need this for the fans!
It's always funny to me when Faramir says "there's something spooky in Cirith Ungol, dunno what" when Cirith Ungol means "the spiders pass" in Sindarin, *a language he speaks*.
1:25:54 how they portray them coming back and what frodo says right here just kind of sums up what soldiers go through. Like this is the bare minimum of what they go through when they return home. Ridicule, feeling like you don't belong, going through so much crap that you can't even see your home as your home anymore and like you should still be back overseas.
Which he truly intended with tolkien being a war vet himself
so crazy to me he created an entire world and multiple languages all for us to enjoy so many decades later
I’ve felt something similar too. And even when you try to explain it to anyone, people you care about, you can see and feel the retreat in their eyes. It involuntarily feels like cowardice on their part. You can feel even more abandoned because they’re running away, and they didn’t even experience what you did. Luckily the hobbits had each other and the overwhelming safety of the shire, but that’s not that common.
One of the greatest movies of all time. All three. Thanks ladies. ♥️
Seeing the tower with the eye at the top I’ve always thought of Sauron sitting at the very top just below the eye. Commanding his troops gathering his physical body.
It's a travesty that Sam wasn't even even nominated for an Oscar. Greatest supporting actor ever. We salute you Sam.