Chika Okechi no isabela have responsability because of her qunari people lose 4 years in the city of kirkwall, because o her many died, also the wounded coast become the home of many qunary mercenaries
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm I'm picturing you doing data entry while muttering "It's a lot easier for me to follow the Qun by sifting through the rubble..."
Seriously. It would be easier to care about her if she didnt dress like a slooty sloot and flirt with everything that moved. No romance options in this game for me.
No because as you pointed out this mess with the Qunari was all her fault in the first place in other words she betrays us first by not telling us of the damned book sooner and then tries to run off with it when she knows the book can get the Qunari from the city..and her half assed attempt to set things right was far too little far too late imo with all the death that happened due to her selfishness. I only spared her once and that was because i had a romance with her with my female Hawke and I still felt guilty letting her get away with it.
I love how furious Isabela is, like "How DARE i have to face consequences for my actions? I only got a few hundred people killed for serve-serving reasons. Sheesh! I mean, doesn't anyone here notice I have immunity boobies?"
yeah i hate her so much and honestly most of the companions in da2 suck ass. like fenris might be the only fully responsible one out of the romancables. and he's a total edgelord
It's too bad that it is later said that she escaped the Arishok (even before "The Veilguard" further confirmed it). The Bioware of the past couldn't let their precious, selfish and slaggy cow suffer consequences for her selfish actions, her hypocrisy and her outright creepiness towards Merrill, Aveline, and Bethany/Carver. Seriously, if she was male and still did the same creepy stuff, people would be outraged. Zevran knew the limits. As for her in "The Veilguard"...urgh...
It's insanely hard to care for her when she spends all game dismissing all issues and reacting to everything with apathy, and then expects people to care about her in return. Respect is a two way street. I don't know how to morally justify not handing her over to the Qunari and their spies unless if you romanced her.
"This is what I get for thinking you were different, that you cared about me!" No, this is what you get for stealing the relic and all the shit that followed, including stabbing Hawke in the back. This response just makes it sound like the reason she came back was because she thought she could sucker Hawke into defending her from the consequences of her actions. If you robbed a bank and got hundreds of people killed in the following police chase, you don't get to just go "Ooopsie. I'm so sorry." and walk away scott-free just because you owned up to it after everything went to shit. Though, honestly, I'd hoped there'd be a middle ground choice where we can still duel the Arishock, but make Isabella answer for her crimes as well. Dude still invaded our city and killed a shit ton of people.
I used to fight the Arishok to protect Isabella, but I always felt bad about it because I actually agree with the Arishok. Man she could prevent so many shit from happening if she had told us that she had the Tome, she lied to us for 3yrs. I love Isabella, but from now on I might give her up to the Arishok.
The city is kind of a cesspool so maybe it's for the best it got cleaned up a bit and really Isabella started it knowing that the Arishok will flip out because he is being denied the right to go back to Par Vollen because he doesn't have the book that the qun demands.
Does anyone have all the party reactions for the Arishok saying he's taking Isabela. I know Aveline is like: no we'll kick her ass ourselves And Fenris asked Isabel's what she expected, but what about the others. Who else defended her? Who wanted her gone?
@AllOutKPop It was a tough choice to make. I really got to respect Arishok a lot and didn’t want to kill him, but I couldn’t stomach betraying Isabela. Although Arishok looks kind of disappointed when he leaves, I guess he was really counting on fighting Hawke.
IronAngel2003 I know right....its like how the hell is he a bad guy? every last thing he did was beyond justified. He stood against arrogance, racism, corruption, and retards. I seriously dont see how the game justifies calling him a bad guy at all...its almost like they created a hero and a total badass and just at some point the story changed and they had to make him a bad guy
Glad I looked this up. I do think she deserved it. A crisis of conscience that came too late for too many. But, I usually dueled the Arishok because he doesn't get to get away with warmongering, either. Plus, I felt sorry for Dumar. So, I did it for justice for him, too.
ghanimajade Well, a warrior doesn't have it too badly facing him face-to-face, as long as he/she has enough defensive talents and constitution. For the rest...good luck.
Easiest time I had defeating him was with my Blood Mage, I just sapped his life away. With my warrior I just kept hitting him with Holy Smite to stun him so I didn't get skewered.
ghanimajade Yeah, a BM can just run away, launch spell, run away, launch spell...and the Arishok, for such an unstoppable giant of a man, is quite weak to stuns. That's why I went Spirit Healer instead, bigger challenge....or so I thought. Turns out, 25 points in constitution, 300 health regen per second, and upgraded heal practically turned my Hawke into a quasi-tank of sorts, any hit the Arishok did to me was healed in less than a minute.
Honestly she did it to herself. Hawke betrayed her but even if not romanced she did still do everything wrong by digging her own hole, she should’ve found compromising. Honestly I like the Arishok, he’s cruel but he is respectful if it’s earned and he is right about everything. Not sure why he killed the viscount though
I'm like "wow this is horrible how could anyone send her with the Qunari?" and then I looked at the comments. Ouch. Do people really not like Isabela? I find her to be quite worth keeping around, especially for the party banter. That and I like her as a character, but anyway...
no isabela have responsability because of her qunari people lose 4 years in the city of kirkwall, because o her many died, also the wounded coast become the home of many qunary mercenaries Traduci
She is a monster but Arishok is a hypocrite, He refused to give away elves because they accepted Qun but asks You to give away Isabela into His hands. So no, You savage, I will not give You Isabela but She will get punished by our law, not by your Qun law. Get out of my city.
uHasioorr How can the Arishok 'give back the elves' if the Elves in the alienage thought the Qunari were better protectors than the city guard and Kirkwall? I actually didn't see a problem in the Qunaris taking over the city to begin with because Kirkwall sucked at governing itself. If you lose control over a business or a city, workers/people will take advantedge of it until it crumbles. The Qunaris were EXTREMELY patient, having lost years and lives to Kirkwall's incompetence, and they partly rebelled because Kirkwall couldn't look after their own. In fairness, the Qun has many strengths and positives. There are guardians watching the children from birth and give them jobs based on their personalities and likes. Because most are given tasks that give them joy and pride to begin with, most accept the Qun. The downside is that the Qun does not like people who stray from their assigned duty. If you're a mage, you're f***ed too. Either way, it's better to just kill the Arishok because if not, Isabela just steals the book again, and the Arishok gets executed anyway because Par Vollen didn't like his city rebellion no matter the legitimate justification. And Isabela doesn't learn any lesson, unless she sticks with Hawke for a few more years. She's a slow learner... And still kind of a shithead at the end of the day.
They commit crime, they killed a man, they committed lynch(they are part of Kirkwalls cancer) so they need to answer for that and in my game Aveline did manage city guard well. Elves just run from responsibility and Isabela didn't stole from qunari but from some shady guys that wanted to sell this book, because of that she must answer to Kirkwall law. I do not see a problem in accepting Qun as long as you won't do it to avoid consequences of your action or beheading by qunari.
Technically, it could still happen. It's established that Isabela escapes from the Arishok even if Hawke betrays her. So, theoretically, Isabela still escapes and founds the Lords of Fortune with Taash.
I wouldnt save this bitch again, i just did it the first time cause i try to be a good guy with my companions (i couldnt do with anders but anyway) wish i could do a duel with her so i can kill her
Haha! I love the pause when he agrees. Surprised the Arishok a little. I've thought about handing her over a few times but unless I'm a duel wielding rogue I won't do it.
This is what I do on my main playthrough when I make the choices I want to make rather than just seeing what happens if I choose something else. Isabella had this coming. Easily. Plus, how can you not love that mutual respect between the Arishok and Hawke?
If you read the comics, she is getting exactly what she deserves for her crimes. Too bad she escapes. And since the Castillion choice isn't even in the keep, I just send her packing with the qunari.
How is this a betrayal? she stole the relic. I don't know if "champion" would be the right title to consider for hawke if she/he didn't fight after this. Does Isabela returns for revenge after all this, or those that story just ends that way?
@crisurdiales Me too. I never actually betrayed Isabela, but like you I was curious about what would happen, so I did this, recorded a video, reloaded and fought Arishok. I like her too much and she’s so much fun to have in party along with Varric and Merrill. ^^
The only reason I didn't go betray Isabela is because I try to salvage everyone I can. I absolutely agree with sending her off with the Arishok. In fact, seeing it play out like this is making me reconsider my choice.
I know its 11 freakin year necro but I selected defending her not because she deserved it but because she would be essentially brainwashed into the Qun and turned into their tool and infiltrator which is dangerous for us as people of thedas. I would rather just give her death sentence in Kirkwall for what she did, by Arishok's hand if he wishes but not take her with them.
Isabela a great character, but its simply intolerable that she's basically responsible for all this destruction. However, I don't betray her because the Arishok is 1) a worthy foe (who I love defeating in 1v1 combat) 2) A total douche at the same time who needs to die.
I really wished there was a third option. Lie to the Arishok. You give her to him, and then organize a escape mission. Then, when you meet her again when you rescue her, a joke option in the lines of: "Well, now we are even."
The title of this video implies something that is simply not true. Hawke does not betray Isabela by handing her over to the Qunari. It was Isabela who betrayed Hawke and Kirkwall. She plunged an entire city-state into war by her single-minded greed (a deed which would directly place Meredith into power, which resulted in Anders blowing up the Chantry, which started the Mage-Templar War that resulted in the death of literal millions - so good job, Isabela!) and didn't feel an ounce of remorse for the death of several thousand people. Isabela is one of the worst fictional people ever conceived. The worst part is that, even if handed over, she escapes and faces no consequences for her actions, ever.
Honestly, I kinda of wish I handed her over. But, I didn't. And I figure it matches my Hawke, because she wouldn't have handed her over. But honestly, this is what makes me dislike Isabela. To anyone who questions my dislike, it's honestly this. She's willing to see a whole city burn because she wants to keep a damn book. I don't care that she likes sex, don't even try to use that against me, either. Honestly, I would be fine if she was a thief and stole shit, but that fact that she doesn't give two shits about the people in Kirkwall just rubs me the wrong way. Plus, when she left after I saved her ass from being handed over to the Arishok, I was completely done with her. (Not to mention she is the most easily swayed companion when you're in the Fade. Like seriously, she's willing to kill for a damn boat.) Literally the worst companion I've come across, and the only one I really dislike.
@@guesswho1047 Well, the way in which she grows is important. HEr self exodus after the chapter and her returning later, her disavowing of her old ways when she returns and when you romance her. Its like they havent played the game.
@@Ragnarok3435-x5w Fair points. I guess it boils down to decision points of perspective. I personally don't like her character at all but understand the ultimate role she plays in the game & cannon material so to speak. Even so I feel like it could have been more fleshed out. But I know I am missing some aspects because I've never had a romance with her character with no intention of doing so, but from what I've read & seen gameplay of I don't think my opinion would change much lol.
qunari people are great only if they embrace the qun, if not they are like the others with no different personality. In inquisiton you will never see a qunari follower of the qun
Isabella was the one responsible for the whole Qunari incident in the first place and countless deaths. Turning her into the Arishok is the right choice. TOo bad she ESCAPES. what? That nullifies the whole point >_>
I really cant stand how she plays the victim at the end, not only has the blame about the book situation, she bretayed used and betrayed Hawke, almost provoque a exalt march against the Free Marches and its indirectly responsable for the Vizcound death the only person to give a damn about the state of the city to led the later Mages vs Templars conflict and return like and "oopss my bad"
Y'all flocked up Qunari in DA:I, the Arishok sweats pure alpha male testosterone and bangs a different dame every night not mention his insurmountable foreign logic. But for some reason what we really needed in DA:I was a emotional fat pan-gay bull CIA agent.
I honestly have no problem with this. Isabella being selfish caused all of this. And when she comes back she doesn't seem distraught of the death that she's caused. Plus Isabella is a pretty boring and shallow character.
Its because of her past. Same as why Fenris is so mean and Anders has his views. She had a pretty awful past hence why shes shallow. She doesn't see a point of getting close to people.
I don't think she is either shallow and boring. She comes off as one of your stereotypical shallow party girls, but she has depth, and she has wit. Not the personality archetype I'd usually like, but Isabella was very likable.
I never give her up, I mean I know how selfish she was not telling anyone but she at least tried to redeem herself. And I think that if we were to choose between stealing something to save our lives or dieing we would all choose the former. So I don't blame her, nor do I blame the qunari
Interestingly for me I partially got the Arishok's respect, I got the achievement for it but he didn't call me these titles. Also I didn't have Isabela at high friendship or rivalry so she didn't appear here, the Arishok was just like the Qun demands that we fight.
I (player) don't blame the Arishok, if I had been him I'd probably have done the same or worse. However, since I was Hawke (and the sarchastic/charming type, no less), I had a very different point of view and my patience with qunari, mages, templars and people of Kirkwall was growing pretty thin. I only got along at that point with Aveline, Varric and Isabela, which is basically why I wouldn't let her go..
Isabela is an ass, but I love her and I can't ever bring myself to do this lmaooo. Strictly from the point of justice, though, it WOULD be the right decision. She's responsible for so many senseless deaths and so much destruction. smh. Even if she stole the thing anyway, she could have told Hawke from the beginning, and the sacking of Kirkwall might have been averted. Still can't do it though.
+Chika Okechi Isabela is a PoS, but quite frankly, the Arishok is no better, considering he's willing to start a war with someone purely on principle. His response is a crowning moment of arrogance when you confront him on it: "And what would we be without princple? YOU, I expect."
***** Lol. True, being that the Qunari are collectivist imperialist caricatures. But then again, they wouldn't even have been there were it not for Isabela.
Chika Okechi The Tome of Koslun was in the hands of Orlesians as a war trophy from when the Qunari invaded. If anything, it's the Qunari's faults for being salty about it. /Halfjoke *EDIT:* Whoops, scratch that; the Tome was *meant* to be delivered to the Arishok before it was stolen by 'Bela.
Honestly considering the trouble her actions caused I could never disagree with anyone who wanted to hand her over. I have not taken that route yet, but plan to in my made Hawke route to explore other routes in the story.
Guys, Isabela is first and foremost, A PIRATE. Is it really that big of a shock that she would look out for herself over everyone else? It's her life or the life of a handful of faceless townies in Kirkwall. Of course she takes it. We really shouldn't expect anything else.
i feel like you all need to remember that the reason she stole the dam tome in the first place was because she freed a cargo ship full of slaves. did she fuck up? yes. but she was trying to survive after her conscience put her head on the chopping block.
I only just realised that I never got 50% approval with her. I didn't realise I had to because she came back in my first playthrough. *sigh* looks like I'm restarting the entire second act....
I've never gotten Isabella to like me enough to come back in any of my playthroughs. I don't like her at all so if I ever get enough friendship from her to come back then I'm giving her to the Qunari lol
The Arishok might be the bad guy here and this sort of feels like a bad option. But Isabella did steal the Tome of Kosslum from the Arishok and started the Qunari invasion of the city. Fenris was right to call out Isabella on her bull s**t. Plus the Arishok saw how corrupted and hypocritical Kirkwall was, so this attack was coming for a long time.
no. she managed to escape- or at least that's what Varric says the rumor is when he tells Cassandra what happened. either way, they wouldn't have killed her. they would have converted her to the Qun. banter between her and Fenris says that the Qunari waste nothing.
So here hawke became a champion cause Isabela came back, returned the book and Hawke did not stop them from taking her. That's not really a heroic deed. Dueling a giant qunari is.
Imagine being pounded by the arishok when being a human. Ahush such a big giant. Imagine if he could be romanced in the early years where the qunari are doing nothing
@AllOutKPop Yeah difficult fight this one! I got patent for it though, for my mages at least. Running in circles, drinking potions and shooting maxed out Winter’s Grasp and Crushing Prison, with Dog as a minor distraction. As for Isabela, she’s selfish but if you’re on rivalry path with her, she gets better at the end.
Well, she escapes and steals the Tome again, anyway. The way I saw it, if you dueled the Arishok, the Qunari would at least get their relic back permanently.
I was kinda wondering what would happen if I did this. I couldn't really bring myself to betray Isabela -after all, she came back for me, despite being the most selfish Bioware character I've met :D- and I was not specially fond of the Arishok at this point of the game; he had been whining too much about how horrible we humans were and how over all of us the Qun was. All the times I've played this, it was "she stays with me, let's dance"
Well, he was a villain, so he doesn't really count. Isabela is quite the artist because she manages to be selfish and still on the hero's side. I enjoyed every second of the "let's kill Howe" quest as Cousland, too :D
I dislike Isabela so cant stand becoming enought of a friend for her to come back with the book, fighting the Arishok is great but I wouldve loved to do this.
I like to throw Isabela to the Qunari. Seeing as if you do not wow her up enough early in the game the bitch will leave you hanging, trapped in a fuckin' throne room full of angry Qunari. If she indeed shows up with the Tome of Koslun, it's either illegible or not even the real one. Troubling the Arishok didn't bother to open it.
I loved the arishok he was my favorite character but isabela was one of the only companions i liked so i couldn’t get rid of her. But i take solace in knowing that the arishok respected me enough to duel me one on one
PersonaX I believe my assumption to be quite healthy. There will be some hostile qnari in Inquisition, or at least those you can piss off, which is not very hard since they kinda think themselves the masterrace. I suppose you thought I assumed the game would be about a war with them. If that is so, you misinterpreted my comment.
"Isabella got many people killed." Well, that can be said about everyone in this game. And if you are talking about innocents, then the qunari have more blame than her.
You have a few chances. Be truthful when his convoy is kidnapped, do not try to hide the bodies, be honest when he asks why their corpses are desecrated, make no excuses for Petrice and her templar, say you would do the same as the elves if your own sister was raped, agree with his protecting the elves. Maybe more. I've always gotten it, so it wasn't until a little while ago that I realise it was a determinant.
You have five chances, you need four to unlock Worthy Rival. Bring Fenris with you wen you first meet him he will show the Arishok due respect, in that same meeting have Hawke say they were promised payment. Tell him about his delegation. Tell him you killed Arvaarad, and don't hide the torture to the bodies.
That's odd. Haha. The first time I played through I didn't get the chance to do anything with the Arishok in the end of act 2 because I screwed up with Isabela...had to fight him and all his buddies...
ghanimajade lol, with the arishok you can challenge him to one on one combat. He is bound by the qun to accept apparently. But i always fight him one on one as a mage, anything else is a pain in the ass.
of all the crappy moments in the game, i actually loved this one. especially betraying isabela. sadly i'm too sentimental to ever do it myself lol, but i love appreciating someone else do it. she really does deserve. and the arishok is a badass, glad he gets to live.
Arishok's speech has a real political dimension. I blame them to kill Viscount but I don't blame them to attack this city full of racist treacherous,murders and fanatical . Qunari are rude but they have a sens of honor. I have more respect for Arishok than for Isabella, she is so egoistic.
This was the easiest choice for me. Isabela is a horrible, selfish being and the Arishok, although I can't agree with some of his views, is a good man. Of course I gave him the criminal he hunted for years.
Yep, it's called role playing game, which is exactly what DA games are about. If I wanted to be myself in the games I play, I'd probably stick to Tomb Raider.
I like that response.
Isabella; Hawke, I came back to help.
Hawke: You are helping.
I died
Love that little pause the Arishok gives when you agree to let them take her.
He was seriously not expecting that answer.
This cracked me up when I saw it.
Chika Okechi no isabela have responsability because of her qunari people lose 4 years in the city of kirkwall, because o her many died, also the wounded coast become the home of many qunary mercenaries
Aren Mek ?
Zowarius He was like "WTF? LOL"
It's the dramatic music stopping that makes it.
I wish the Qunari still looked like this in Inquisition
Maggie O'Quinn they do they just don't have the hair
J0sh 2k2 They don’t, their facial structure is closer to that of a human’s in Inquisition while being primitive in DA:2
That Annoying Furry they are still hot tho-
if we saw dude again lol
Oh, you should see what they look like NOW!
The music stopped when Hawke said take her. Arisok's face was gold.
If only I had Arishok's voice for a job interview...
Hire me...ME..YOU SHOULD ALL BE GRATEFUL!
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm I'm picturing you doing data entry while muttering "It's a lot easier for me to follow the Qun by sifting through the rubble..."
Can this really be called a betrayal when Isabela betrayed you first?
Seriously. It would be easier to care about her if she didnt dress like a slooty sloot and flirt with everything that moved. No romance options in this game for me.
It's not since she came back and apologized, imo
No because as you pointed out this mess with the Qunari was all her fault in the first place in other words she betrays us first by not telling us of the damned book sooner and then tries to run off with it when she knows the book can get the Qunari from the city..and her half assed attempt to set things right was far too little far too late imo with all the death that happened due to her selfishness. I only spared her once and that was because i had a romance with her with my female Hawke and I still felt guilty letting her get away with it.
its called payback
@@honestjason7854 man you must be a hit with all the ladies.
I love how furious Isabela is, like "How DARE i have to face consequences for my actions? I only got a few hundred people killed for serve-serving reasons. Sheesh! I mean, doesn't anyone here notice I have immunity boobies?"
Serve serving reasons? Ha
yeah i hate her so much and honestly most of the companions in da2 suck ass. like fenris might be the only fully responsible one out of the romancables. and he's a total edgelord
It's too bad that it is later said that she escaped the Arishok (even before "The Veilguard" further confirmed it). The Bioware of the past couldn't let their precious, selfish and slaggy cow suffer consequences for her selfish actions, her hypocrisy and her outright creepiness towards Merrill, Aveline, and Bethany/Carver. Seriously, if she was male and still did the same creepy stuff, people would be outraged. Zevran knew the limits.
As for her in "The Veilguard"...urgh...
It's insanely hard to care for her when she spends all game dismissing all issues and reacting to everything with apathy, and then expects people to care about her in return. Respect is a two way street. I don't know how to morally justify not handing her over to the Qunari and their spies unless if you romanced her.
I wonder how the arishok sleeps with dem horns of his
Sideways.
CRYSIS1712 Holes in the bed?
Iron bull-"soundly,while propped up on a bed of oiled writhing virgins."
they make for excellent handle bars ;)
"This is what I get for thinking you were different, that you cared about me!"
No, this is what you get for stealing the relic and all the shit that followed, including stabbing Hawke in the back. This response just makes it sound like the reason she came back was because she thought she could sucker Hawke into defending her from the consequences of her actions.
If you robbed a bank and got hundreds of people killed in the following police chase, you don't get to just go "Ooopsie. I'm so sorry." and walk away scott-free just because you owned up to it after everything went to shit.
Though, honestly, I'd hoped there'd be a middle ground choice where we can still duel the Arishock, but make Isabella answer for her crimes as well. Dude still invaded our city and killed a shit ton of people.
In my opinion, defending Isabela is choosing the lesser of the two evils.
@@renwulf1695 I'd say the lesser of two evils is not risking the city further.
I used to fight the Arishok to protect Isabella, but I always felt bad about it because I actually agree with the Arishok. Man she could prevent so many shit from happening if she had told us that she had the Tome, she lied to us for 3yrs. I love Isabella, but from now on I might give her up to the Arishok.
The city is kind of a cesspool so maybe it's for the best it got cleaned up a bit and really Isabella started it knowing that the Arishok will flip out because he is being denied the right to go back to Par Vollen because he doesn't have the book that the qun demands.
The one who is being brainwashed should be forgiven unlike the one who isn't and loves causing trouble.
The Arishok is such a boss.
A big one!
Yeah,i wonder if i got a body guard who look like him..
For you
I love how when Hawke said "Take her and go" the music sort of pauses and Arishok did the same lol
bro hawke said yes and the arishok stopped for a minute and was like “wait what the fuck really”
Does anyone have all the party reactions for the Arishok saying he's taking Isabela.
I know Aveline is like: no we'll kick her ass ourselves
And Fenris asked Isabel's what she expected, but what about the others.
Who else defended her? Who wanted her gone?
Hawke has honour... and honour can stop wars.
From an old soldier... this... gave me thrills.
@AllOutKPop It was a tough choice to make. I really got to respect Arishok a lot and didn’t want to kill him, but I couldn’t stomach betraying Isabela. Although Arishok looks kind of disappointed when he leaves, I guess he was really counting on fighting Hawke.
Isabela caused all this. She did not deserve to go unpunished.
was I the only one rooting for the arishok and the qunari the whole game?
Nope. I was too.
IronAngel2003 I know right....its like how the hell is he a bad guy? every last thing he did was beyond justified. He stood against arrogance, racism, corruption, and retards. I seriously dont see how the game justifies calling him a bad guy at all...its almost like they created a hero and a total badass and just at some point the story changed and they had to make him a bad guy
LaughAnd GrowFat lol its a bad influence to children...teaches them to troll
I wish there had been another ending: Help the Arishok, plunder the city, sail away with hot Qunari babes. Roll credits.
IronAngel2003 you are a genius visionary my friend....that was simply beautiful XD
Glad I looked this up. I do think she deserved it. A crisis of conscience that came too late for too many.
But, I usually dueled the Arishok because he doesn't get to get away with warmongering, either. Plus, I felt sorry for Dumar. So, I did it for justice for him, too.
"Dueled" isn't the right word exactly.
***** More like Run, Warrior/Mage/Rogue, Run!
ghanimajade Well, a warrior doesn't have it too badly facing him face-to-face, as long as he/she has enough defensive talents and constitution. For the rest...good luck.
Easiest time I had defeating him was with my Blood Mage, I just sapped his life away. With my warrior I just kept hitting him with Holy Smite to stun him so I didn't get skewered.
ghanimajade Yeah, a BM can just run away, launch spell, run away, launch spell...and the Arishok, for such an unstoppable giant of a man, is quite weak to stuns.
That's why I went Spirit Healer instead, bigger challenge....or so I thought. Turns out, 25 points in constitution, 300 health regen per second, and upgraded heal practically turned my Hawke into a quasi-tank of sorts, any hit the Arishok did to me was healed in less than a minute.
Honestly she did it to herself. Hawke betrayed her but even if not romanced she did still do everything wrong by digging her own hole, she should’ve found compromising. Honestly I like the Arishok, he’s cruel but he is respectful if it’s earned and he is right about everything. Not sure why he killed the viscount though
"A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good"
I'm like "wow this is horrible how could anyone send her with the Qunari?" and then I looked at the comments.
Ouch. Do people really not like Isabela? I find her to be quite worth keeping around, especially for the party banter. That and I like her as a character, but anyway...
no isabela have responsability because of her qunari people lose 4 years in the city of kirkwall, because o her many died, also the wounded coast become the home of many qunary mercenaries
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She is kind of a piece of shit so yeah. People don't like her.
She is a monster but Arishok is a hypocrite, He refused to give away elves because they accepted Qun but asks You to give away Isabela into His hands.
So no, You savage, I will not give You Isabela but She will get punished by our law, not by your Qun law. Get out of my city.
uHasioorr How can the Arishok 'give back the elves' if the Elves in the alienage thought the Qunari were better protectors than the city guard and Kirkwall? I actually didn't see a problem in the Qunaris taking over the city to begin with because Kirkwall sucked at governing itself. If you lose control over a business or a city, workers/people will take advantedge of it until it crumbles. The Qunaris were EXTREMELY patient, having lost years and lives to Kirkwall's incompetence, and they partly rebelled because Kirkwall couldn't look after their own.
In fairness, the Qun has many strengths and positives. There are guardians watching the children from birth and give them jobs based on their personalities and likes. Because most are given tasks that give them joy and pride to begin with, most accept the Qun. The downside is that the Qun does not like people who stray from their assigned duty. If you're a mage, you're f***ed too.
Either way, it's better to just kill the Arishok because if not, Isabela just steals the book again, and the Arishok gets executed anyway because Par Vollen didn't like his city rebellion no matter the legitimate justification. And Isabela doesn't learn any lesson, unless she sticks with Hawke for a few more years. She's a slow learner... And still kind of a shithead at the end of the day.
They commit crime, they killed a man, they committed lynch(they are part of Kirkwalls cancer) so they need to answer for that and in my game Aveline did manage city guard well. Elves just run from responsibility and Isabela didn't stole from qunari but from some shady guys that wanted to sell this book, because of that she must answer to Kirkwall law.
I do not see a problem in accepting Qun as long as you won't do it to avoid consequences of your action or beheading by qunari.
Veilguard has officially made this the objectively correct choice. Didn't save her just to see her caving to ridiculous mentally ill rabble.
Technically, it could still happen. It's established that Isabela escapes from the Arishok even if Hawke betrays her. So, theoretically, Isabela still escapes and founds the Lords of Fortune with Taash.
I wouldnt save this bitch again, i just did it the first time cause i try to be a good guy with my companions (i couldnt do with anders but anyway) wish i could do a duel with her so i can kill her
Bioware illusion of choice.
If the player decide to opt for this,the Arishok lose both the book and th thief once again
Really? Haven't played the game in quite a while, and honestly don't think I made it that far before life called me away. XD
Haha! I love the pause when he agrees. Surprised the Arishok a little. I've thought about handing her over a few times but unless I'm a duel wielding rogue I won't do it.
I might be alone on this but I thought the Arishok was one of the best characters, so I gave him Isabela after getting his respect. Classic
This is what I do on my main playthrough when I make the choices I want to make rather than just seeing what happens if I choose something else. Isabella had this coming. Easily.
Plus, how can you not love that mutual respect between the Arishok and Hawke?
Why dos the Arishok look so hot?? Seriously! :DD
your into some weird shit
He is one big, stoic hunk of a man. I don't blame you.
Ivan Šalamon Exactly; he's like an improved version of Iron Bull. xDD Thank you for not blaming me, lol
All of the qunari look pretty hot in this game. Iron Bull's facial hair kinda turned me off it just looked weird, but I thought he was hot too.
If you read the comics, she is getting exactly what she deserves for her crimes. Too bad she escapes. And since the Castillion choice isn't even in the keep, I just send her packing with the qunari.
How is this a betrayal? she stole the relic. I don't know if "champion" would be the right title to consider for hawke if she/he didn't fight after this. Does Isabela returns for revenge after all this, or those that story just ends that way?
You need balls to make one of your friends pay to save your city, yeah Champion is the title
@crisurdiales Me too. I never actually betrayed Isabela, but like you I was curious about what would happen, so I did this, recorded a video, reloaded and fought Arishok. I like her too much and she’s so much fun to have in party along with Varric and Merrill. ^^
The only reason I didn't go betray Isabela is because I try to salvage everyone I can. I absolutely agree with sending her off with the Arishok. In fact, seeing it play out like this is making me reconsider my choice.
I know its 11 freakin year necro but I selected defending her not because she deserved it but because she would be essentially brainwashed into the Qun and turned into their tool and infiltrator which is dangerous for us as people of thedas. I would rather just give her death sentence in Kirkwall for what she did, by Arishok's hand if he wishes but not take her with them.
Isabela a great character, but its simply intolerable that she's basically responsible for all this destruction. However, I don't betray her because the Arishok is 1) a worthy foe (who I love defeating in 1v1 combat) 2) A total douche at the same time who needs to die.
“You ARE helping”. 🥶
Love this. Still my head canon ending to act 2.
I really wished there was a third option. Lie to the Arishok. You give her to him, and then organize a escape mission. Then, when you meet her again when you rescue her, a joke option in the lines of: "Well, now we are even."
Oh my that was so dramatic, especially since Isabela was romanced. o_o
When the Courier has max speech and talks Lanius down
The title of this video implies something that is simply not true. Hawke does not betray Isabela by handing her over to the Qunari. It was Isabela who betrayed Hawke and Kirkwall. She plunged an entire city-state into war by her single-minded greed (a deed which would directly place Meredith into power, which resulted in Anders blowing up the Chantry, which started the Mage-Templar War that resulted in the death of literal millions - so good job, Isabela!) and didn't feel an ounce of remorse for the death of several thousand people. Isabela is one of the worst fictional people ever conceived. The worst part is that, even if handed over, she escapes and faces no consequences for her actions, ever.
Honestly, I kinda of wish I handed her over. But, I didn't. And I figure it matches my Hawke, because she wouldn't have handed her over.
But honestly, this is what makes me dislike Isabela. To anyone who questions my dislike, it's honestly this. She's willing to see a whole city burn because she wants to keep a damn book.
I don't care that she likes sex, don't even try to use that against me, either.
Honestly, I would be fine if she was a thief and stole shit, but that fact that she doesn't give two shits about the people in Kirkwall just rubs me the wrong way.
Plus, when she left after I saved her ass from being handed over to the Arishok, I was completely done with her.
(Not to mention she is the most easily swayed companion when you're in the Fade. Like seriously, she's willing to kill for a damn boat.)
Literally the worst companion I've come across, and the only one I really dislike.
Worse than Morrigan? She approves of crap that make Isabela would squirm.
Except for the boat thing, but you could not be more wrong in the rest of your talk. Jesus, its like you havent even played the game
@@Ragnarok3435-x5w care to explain how they are wrong it was a pretty solid argument....
@@guesswho1047 Well, the way in which she grows is important. HEr self exodus after the chapter and her returning later, her disavowing of her old ways when she returns and when you romance her. Its like they havent played the game.
@@Ragnarok3435-x5w Fair points. I guess it boils down to decision points of perspective. I personally don't like her character at all but understand the ultimate role she plays in the game & cannon material so to speak. Even so I feel like it could have been more fleshed out. But I know I am missing some aspects because I've never had a romance with her character with no intention of doing so, but from what I've read & seen gameplay of I don't think my opinion would change much lol.
cant wait to play a tal-vashoth in DA inquisition
qunari people are great only if they embrace the qun, if not they are like the others with no different personality. In inquisiton you will never see a qunari follower of the qun
no you play as a vashoth. you where never introduced to the qun
yes
you cant play as a qunari in inquisition, you play as a vashoth
+Tom Shepard no you play as qunari
Isabella was the one responsible for the whole Qunari incident in the first place and countless deaths. Turning her into the Arishok is the right choice. TOo bad she ESCAPES. what? That nullifies the whole point >_>
I really cant stand how she plays the victim at the end, not only has the blame about the book situation, she bretayed used and betrayed Hawke, almost provoque a exalt march against the Free Marches and its indirectly responsable for the Vizcound death the only person to give a damn about the state of the city to led the later Mages vs Templars conflict and return like and "oopss my bad"
Y'all flocked up Qunari in DA:I, the Arishok sweats pure alpha male testosterone and bangs a different dame every night not mention his insurmountable foreign logic. But for some reason what we really needed in DA:I was a emotional fat pan-gay bull CIA agent.
Tbf the iron bull is a incredible character and fits the tone of dai but i wish we had a more canonical qun following qunari too
I honestly have no problem with this. Isabella being selfish caused all of this. And when she comes back she doesn't seem distraught of the death that she's caused. Plus Isabella is a pretty boring and shallow character.
Its because of her past. Same as why Fenris is so mean and Anders has his views. She had a pretty awful past hence why shes shallow. She doesn't see a point of getting close to people.
Boring? Yes. Shallow? Far from it. Read her backstory, you'll get what I'm saying.
I don't think she is either shallow and boring. She comes off as one of your stereotypical shallow party girls, but she has depth, and she has wit. Not the personality archetype I'd usually like, but Isabella was very likable.
I never give her up, I mean I know how selfish she was not telling anyone but she at least tried to redeem herself. And I think that if we were to choose between stealing something to save our lives or dieing we would all choose the former. So I don't blame her, nor do I blame the qunari
fighting him as a mage was hard asf but shows how really bitchy he was- couldn't even defeat me at my weakest form
*chugs health potion*
Interestingly for me I partially got the Arishok's respect, I got the achievement for it but he didn't call me these titles. Also I didn't have Isabela at high friendship or rivalry so she didn't appear here, the Arishok was just like the Qun demands that we fight.
I (player) don't blame the Arishok, if I had been him I'd probably have done the same or worse. However, since I was Hawke (and the sarchastic/charming type, no less), I had a very different point of view and my patience with qunari, mages, templars and people of Kirkwall was growing pretty thin. I only got along at that point with Aveline, Varric and Isabela, which is basically why I wouldn't let her go..
She's a thief, but it's not her fault the Qunari had no qualms against murdering people wholesale over the book.
Isabela is an ass, but I love her and I can't ever bring myself to do this lmaooo. Strictly from the point of justice, though, it WOULD be the right decision. She's responsible for so many senseless deaths and so much destruction. smh. Even if she stole the thing anyway, she could have told Hawke from the beginning, and the sacking of Kirkwall might have been averted.
Still can't do it though.
+Chika Okechi Isabela is a PoS, but quite frankly, the Arishok is no better, considering he's willing to start a war with someone purely on principle. His response is a crowning moment of arrogance when you confront him on it:
"And what would we be without princple? YOU, I expect."
***** Lol. True, being that the Qunari are collectivist imperialist caricatures. But then again, they wouldn't even have been there were it not for Isabela.
Chika Okechi The Tome of Koslun was in the hands of Orlesians as a war trophy from when the Qunari invaded. If anything, it's the Qunari's faults for being salty about it. /Halfjoke
*EDIT:* Whoops, scratch that; the Tome was *meant* to be delivered to the Arishok before it was stolen by 'Bela.
Honestly considering the trouble her actions caused I could never disagree with anyone who wanted to hand her over.
I have not taken that route yet, but plan to in my made Hawke route to explore other routes in the story.
lol i thought knight-commander was going to attack me the first time.
Dang, there certainly are a lot of twins and triplets in Kirkwall, maybe even quadruplets XD
Guys, Isabela is first and foremost, A PIRATE. Is it really that big of a shock that she would look out for herself over everyone else? It's her life or the life of a handful of faceless townies in Kirkwall. Of course she takes it. We really shouldn't expect anything else.
i feel like you all need to remember that the reason she stole the dam tome in the first place was because she freed a cargo ship full of slaves. did she fuck up? yes. but she was trying to survive after her conscience put her head on the chopping block.
I only just realised that I never got 50% approval with her. I didn't realise I had to because she came back in my first playthrough. *sigh* looks like I'm restarting the entire second act....
I've never gotten Isabella to like me enough to come back in any of my playthroughs. I don't like her at all so if I ever get enough friendship from her to come back then I'm giving her to the Qunari lol
So many people in these comments do not understand the concept of consequences to their actions and it shows.
- i d love to, Isabela. But you heard the man)))
Trolling of the century
Can't say for certain, but she's forced to submit to the Qun by the Arishok's words, so either she accepts the Qun or dies.
The Arishok might be the bad guy here and this sort of feels like a bad option. But Isabella did steal the Tome of Kosslum from the Arishok and started the Qunari invasion of the city. Fenris was right to call out Isabella on her bull s**t. Plus the Arishok saw how corrupted and hypocritical Kirkwall was, so this attack was coming for a long time.
"She will submit to the Qun and the ben-hassrath. More than that I will not say."
"Take her and go."
:D
It's a pity that this option doesn't net any experience, but it's still satisfying to watch Isabela get dragged away to slavery.
no. she managed to escape- or at least that's what Varric says the rumor is when he tells Cassandra what happened. either way, they wouldn't have killed her. they would have converted her to the Qun. banter between her and Fenris says that the Qunari waste nothing.
The Qun and it’s teachings are all I need.
So here hawke became a champion cause Isabela came back, returned the book and Hawke did not stop them from taking her.
That's not really a heroic deed. Dueling a giant qunari is.
This game had it SPOT on how the qunari are.
I never saw this scene. My Isabella when we go in the search for the book. She steals and Just disappear leaving only an note behind
I id this to her because she flirted with fenris when clearly I was after him >:(
if the Arishok lives he will return in the fourth game but you already know that lol
Imagine being pounded by the arishok when being a human. Ahush such a big giant. Imagine if he could be romanced in the early years where the qunari are doing nothing
Or when being dwarf ehee or even elf
What
@AllOutKPop Yeah difficult fight this one! I got patent for it though, for my mages at least. Running in circles, drinking potions and shooting maxed out Winter’s Grasp and Crushing Prison, with Dog as a minor distraction. As for Isabela, she’s selfish but if you’re on rivalry path with her, she gets better at the end.
But what does seeker say about it? i never betrayed Isabela, but i'd like to know what she told Varric about that
Well, she escapes and steals the Tome again, anyway. The way I saw it, if you dueled the Arishok, the Qunari would at least get their relic back permanently.
I was kinda wondering what would happen if I did this. I couldn't really bring myself to betray Isabela -after all, she came back for me, despite being the most selfish Bioware character I've met :D- and I was not specially fond of the Arishok at this point of the game; he had been whining too much about how horrible we humans were and how over all of us the Qun was. All the times I've played this, it was "she stays with me, let's dance"
Well, he was a villain, so he doesn't really count. Isabela is quite the artist because she manages to be selfish and still on the hero's side.
I enjoyed every second of the "let's kill Howe" quest as Cousland, too :D
The music... What's it called :P. It was in the DAI World Unveiled trailer.
No, you need either 50+ rivalry or 50+ friendship for her to come back.
I dislike Isabela so cant stand becoming enought of a friend for her to come back with the book, fighting the Arishok is great but I wouldve loved to do this.
No he never smiles.
I like to throw Isabela to the Qunari. Seeing as if you do not wow her up
enough early in the game the bitch will leave you hanging, trapped in a
fuckin' throne room full of angry Qunari. If she indeed shows up with
the Tome of Koslun, it's either illegible or not even the real one.
Troubling the Arishok didn't bother to open it.
Nice branch, I didn't know it was possible to settle up with him.
I love this, but could never betray Isabela. She's my go-to romance😍
I loved the arishok he was my favorite character but isabela was one of the only companions i liked so i couldn’t get rid of her. But i take solace in knowing that the arishok respected me enough to duel me one on one
can't wait to slay every damn qunari in DA inquisition.
PersonaX I believe my assumption to be quite healthy. There will be some hostile qnari in Inquisition, or at least those you can piss off, which is not very hard since they kinda think themselves the masterrace. I suppose you thought I assumed the game would be about a war with them. If that is so, you misinterpreted my comment.
c0rpx Yeah, no. Never happened.
well, shit. is bull really the only qunari in the game? I lost.
You can do that in the Trespasser DLC.
now i just feel bad.
"Isabella got many people killed."
Well, that can be said about everyone in this game. And if you are talking about innocents, then the qunari have more blame than her.
They only killed because SHE stole their book. She is entirely to blame for their assault in the city.
@@Xxandrew01 And they killed people over a fucking book, Qunari are not just a force of nature without responsibility.
@@Xxandrew01 as is aveline
I never got the arishok to call me an equal. How'd u do it?
You have a few chances. Be truthful when his convoy is kidnapped, do not try to hide the bodies, be honest when he asks why their corpses are desecrated, make no excuses for Petrice and her templar, say you would do the same as the elves if your own sister was raped, agree with his protecting the elves. Maybe more.
I've always gotten it, so it wasn't until a little while ago that I realise it was a determinant.
You have five chances, you need four to unlock Worthy Rival. Bring Fenris with you wen you first meet him he will show the Arishok due respect, in that same meeting have Hawke say they were promised payment. Tell him about his delegation. Tell him you killed Arvaarad, and don't hide the torture to the bodies.
ghanimajade i never got the body part, never, and i did the others all the time.
That's odd. Haha. The first time I played through I didn't get the chance to do anything with the Arishok in the end of act 2 because I screwed up with Isabela...had to fight him and all his buddies...
ghanimajade lol, with the arishok you can challenge him to one on one combat. He is bound by the qun to accept apparently. But i always fight him one on one as a mage, anything else is a pain in the ass.
I don't blame the Arishok but isabela is one of my favourite characters so I never betray her
You're using the same group I always use xD
of all the crappy moments in the game, i actually loved this one. especially betraying isabela. sadly i'm too sentimental to ever do it myself lol, but i love appreciating someone else do it. she really does deserve. and the arishok is a badass, glad he gets to live.
Arishok's speech has a real political dimension. I blame them to kill Viscount but I don't blame them to attack this city full of racist treacherous,murders and fanatical . Qunari are rude but they have a sens of honor. I have more respect for Arishok than for Isabella, she is so egoistic.
this is nothin like what happened! i fuckin demolished all the quanari.
Stop talking Isabela u did this to yourself
Isabela doesn't come to the rescue when I do it, not sure if this is normal or not he just fights me
You need to have max friendship or rivalry with her by then.
This is how it is supposed to end! Too bad my Isabela never came back. I sooooooo wanted to throw her to Arishok.
This was the easiest choice for me. Isabela is a horrible, selfish being and the Arishok, although I can't agree with some of his views, is a good man. Of course I gave him the criminal he hunted for years.
The Arishok looks like Thanos
Yep, it's called role playing game, which is exactly what DA games are about. If I wanted to be myself in the games I play, I'd probably stick to Tomb Raider.
Qunari are so cool
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