A million thanks, this takes all of the guesswork out of integrating Veissmann signals with a Marklin interface. A decade long mystery has been resolved.
Primarily thanks for all your help in the videos I find them very helpful. You mentioned in one of your videos about doing a video on mechanical aspects regarding the m84. It would be nice to see that video and learn more about this type of usage Bo. Please keep up this good information
Hi Alf, I am glad you like the videos. I am looking into doing more electrical automation with the m84 as this will enable automation even when using the MS2. Not sure when, though. So many videos I would like to make! Enjoy ;-)
Great video as usual. Looking forward for your video for signals and M83, as I have no intention of cutting track power in my layout, so I believe M84 is not needed for me.
Indeed the m84 is good when you want to use alternative track power. I am currently looking into the m83 with uncoupler, lights and signals. Hope to have it ready within the next few months. Enjoy ;-)
Hi Shakeel, Glad you like the video. Unfortunately, I do not have any Roco automation. Currently my focus is on Märklin. Might expand in the future, but that will take some time. Enjoy ;-)
Thank you, Bo, for all your enjoyable & informative videos; please keep up the great work! I have a question regarding the M84. When it is switched to DCC mode, is it possible to then use it with a conventional DCC controller as opposed to a Marklin controller? Thanks again.
Thank you for your videos, I find them very helpful. I have a question regarding signals. What if you have a multi headed signal capable of showing more then two orders, like stop, proced with cation or go? Can you control it with a m84 or is there another way?
Hi Espen, You can control 3/4 aspect signals with the m84. You can see how to in these videos: th-cam.com/video/-tCobPG3uPU/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/YPOtWhGVsNI/w-d-xo.html However, as you will see it requires quit some diodes. I believe that the ESU SignalPilot and other brands can do the same without diodes. I do not have any experience with these, but I understand that they simplify the electronics. Unsure how easy they are to program? Enjoy ;-)
Thank you for this highly enlightening video! Is there any way to program the m84 to provide the slow fading out of the lights on the Viessmann signals?
Hi Armando, I am glad you like the video! The M84 unfortunately does not support the slow fading. The M84 is essentially a relay and cannot do this. You can however use the M83 for lights and I believe it supports it. Unfortunately, I have not gotten around to making a video on how to do lights with the M83. You can email me and I can try to help over email (see www.youtube.com/@ModelTrainFun/about). Enjoy ;-) Bo
Hello, great Video. Greatings from Germany, i live in a small village ca 80km in Range from Göppingen. Arent the Bachmann 1/87 Scale produced in the USA? I buyd a few steam Models used in some speciliced stores, in range from 1960 to 1980 most of them realy dusty, called damaged , cleaned them and all of them works very well. Happy and healthy New year
Hi Jens, I believe that Bachmann is from the US - however, I think there is also a Bachman UK? I only have one diesel n-scale locomotive from Bachmann. Happy new year and Enjoy ;-) Bo
Hello Thanks for all your videos, Regarding the M84, what would be the mounting of the Viessmann signal with a stop track if the M84 was fed with the 66360 + 60822? Thank you for your answers. Friendships Jean-Jacques (french guy)
The Märklin 60822 provides extra power for the M84 - not for the signals. In this way using the Märklin 60822 with the M84 will not change how you connect the Viessmann signal to the M84. The manual for the Märklin 60822 page 7 (French page 9) describes how to connect it to the M84 (or M83): static.maerklin.de/damcontent/2f/bf/2fbf635524a6c0bb4950971f73fc3b4a1650956096.pdf Is this what you are looking for? Enjoy ;-)
Hi Carlos, All the way from Chile - cool! I must admit I am unsure if you can connect the braking module (Märklin 72442) to the m84. To me it seems like it should be possible. However, looking at the manual it is only illustrated how to connect the m83 - not the m84: static.maerklin.de/damcontent/a2/e9/a2e9f739a75dab8f95b1c75bdcb21b441572012932.pdf I assume this is because the Märklin72442 braking module needs a pulse as provided by the m83 for the "decoder input". The m84 produces continuous power, which the braking module may not like. To me this hints that according to Märklin one cannot use the m84. However, through programming one can change the m84 to make pulses - however, these are rather long pulses (not as short as the m83 pulses) and I never made it work. As I see it this is not recommended by Märklin and I am unsure if there is a way. I might look into this in the future. If you are impatient, then email me using the email address in the about and I can try it out: www.youtube.com/@ModelTrainFun/about Enjoy ;-)
Is it possible to convert lets say regular dc 2 rail locomotive from hornby or bachman to run on marklin c-track? (to be precise i mean is it possible to add that thingy in middle bellow loco?)
You can do something similar with the m83 - however, it requires some special programming of the m83, you can only use track power for the signal and I am unsure if you can make the stop track. I might make a video on this in the future. Enjoy ;-)
Very interesting and well explain. By the way, I have a problem to connect a signal decoder by B-Models (a Belgian manufacturer) to a Märklin CS3. Has anybody an idea?
Hi Bertrand, glad you liked the video. I know B-Models from my time in Belgium. I lived shortly in Brussels. I have not tried their signal decoder. Is this the one? - NL: vanbiervliet.com/downloads/seindecoder-NL.pdf - FR: vanbiervliet.com/downloads/seindecoder-FR.pdf What is the issue? Remember to connect the signal to the programming output on the CS3 to program it. After programming you can move it to the main power output. The signal decoder has default address 1 and is changed by use of the programming button on the decoder and sending a new address. Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun Hi Bo! Many thanks for your quick response.The fact is that I'm rather new with the digital layouts. I'll try something else today and I comeback to you with a feedback.
@@ModelTrainFun Hi Bo.indeed. Not always easy. I'll try to link a there-phases signal to my CS3. Succeed! By the way it seems the bug in the CS3 is now fixed. I'll need to update your video ;-) For the B-Models decoder, what I have received from the manufacturers is the manual (that I had already) and the confirmation that it should be work with a CS3. The question is how. I wonder if my decoder is still functional.
@@bertrandleton4044 Glad you succeed in linking a 3-aspect signal to the CS3 and I hope you also will have sucess with your B-model decoders. To me it seems like if you take them straight out of the packaging, they should be set for a simple signal on address 1. Remember to connect both power and the "DCC signal" connectors. At least that is what I could see from the manual I referred to in the comment above. Enjoy ;-)
A million thanks, this takes all of the guesswork out of integrating Veissmann signals with a Marklin interface.
A decade long mystery has been resolved.
Hi Graeme - glad it helped you! Enjoy ;-)
Primarily thanks for all your help in the videos I find them very helpful. You mentioned in one of your videos about doing a video on mechanical aspects regarding the m84. It would be nice to see that video and learn more about this type of usage Bo. Please keep up this good information
Hi Alf, I am glad you like the videos. I am looking into doing more electrical automation with the m84 as this will enable automation even when using the MS2. Not sure when, though. So many videos I would like to make! Enjoy ;-)
Tak endnu en god og forklarende video 😊😊
Tak tak. Glad you liked it. Enjoy ;-)
It was a very good "Spaghetti"video.
Yes - I guess it is a lesson in how not to wire your layout - 🤣 Enjoy ;-)
Great video as usual. Looking forward for your video for signals and M83, as I have no intention of cutting track power in my layout, so I believe M84 is not needed for me.
Indeed the m84 is good when you want to use alternative track power. I am currently looking into the m83 with uncoupler, lights and signals. Hope to have it ready within the next few months. Enjoy ;-)
36:30 you could just grab some red from the m84, no need for running extra long wires
Hi Harold, Agreed - this is easier. Enjoy ;-)
Very informative. Sir can you make this type of video tutorials for Roco DCC Automarion?
Hi Shakeel, Glad you like the video. Unfortunately, I do not have any Roco automation. Currently my focus is on Märklin. Might expand in the future, but that will take some time. Enjoy ;-)
Thank you, Bo, for all your enjoyable & informative videos; please keep up the great work! I have a question regarding the M84. When it is switched to DCC mode, is it possible to then use it with a conventional DCC controller as opposed to a Marklin controller? Thanks again.
Hi, yes - the Märklin accessories that support DCC can be controlled by a DCC controller. Enjoy ;-) Bo
Thank you for your videos, I find them very helpful. I have a question regarding signals. What if you have a multi headed signal capable of showing more then two orders, like stop, proced with cation or go? Can you control it with a m84 or is there another way?
Hi Espen,
You can control 3/4 aspect signals with the m84. You can see how to in these videos: th-cam.com/video/-tCobPG3uPU/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/YPOtWhGVsNI/w-d-xo.html
However, as you will see it requires quit some diodes. I believe that the ESU SignalPilot and other brands can do the same without diodes. I do not have any experience with these, but I understand that they simplify the electronics. Unsure how easy they are to program?
Enjoy ;-)
Thank you for this highly enlightening video! Is there any way to program the m84 to provide the slow fading out of the lights on the Viessmann signals?
Hi Armando, I am glad you like the video! The M84 unfortunately does not support the slow fading. The M84 is essentially a relay and cannot do this. You can however use the M83 for lights and I believe it supports it. Unfortunately, I have not gotten around to making a video on how to do lights with the M83. You can email me and I can try to help over email (see www.youtube.com/@ModelTrainFun/about). Enjoy ;-) Bo
Hello, great Video. Greatings from Germany, i live in a small village ca 80km in Range from Göppingen.
Arent the Bachmann 1/87 Scale produced in the USA?
I buyd a few steam Models used in some speciliced stores, in range from 1960 to 1980 most of them realy dusty, called damaged , cleaned them and all of them works very well.
Happy and healthy New year
Hi Jens, I believe that Bachmann is from the US - however, I think there is also a Bachman UK? I only have one diesel n-scale locomotive from Bachmann. Happy new year and Enjoy ;-) Bo
Hello
Thanks for all your videos,
Regarding the M84, what would be the mounting of the Viessmann signal with a stop track if the M84 was fed with the 66360 + 60822?
Thank you for your answers.
Friendships
Jean-Jacques (french guy)
The Märklin 60822 provides extra power for the M84 - not for the signals. In this way using the Märklin 60822 with the M84 will not change how you connect the Viessmann signal to the M84. The manual for the Märklin 60822 page 7 (French page 9) describes how to connect it to the M84 (or M83): static.maerklin.de/damcontent/2f/bf/2fbf635524a6c0bb4950971f73fc3b4a1650956096.pdf
Is this what you are looking for? Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun OK thanks for these precisions.
Like, like, like, like
Hi Chen, Glad you liked it! Enjoy ;-) Bo
Hola soy Carlos de chile y quiero saber si m84 sirve con el modulo 72442 un saludo y un abrazo
Hi Carlos,
All the way from Chile - cool!
I must admit I am unsure if you can connect the braking module (Märklin 72442) to the m84. To me it seems like it should be possible. However, looking at the manual it is only illustrated how to connect the m83 - not the m84: static.maerklin.de/damcontent/a2/e9/a2e9f739a75dab8f95b1c75bdcb21b441572012932.pdf
I assume this is because the Märklin72442 braking module needs a pulse as provided by the m83 for the "decoder input". The m84 produces continuous power, which the braking module may not like. To me this hints that according to Märklin one cannot use the m84. However, through programming one can change the m84 to make pulses - however, these are rather long pulses (not as short as the m83 pulses) and I never made it work.
As I see it this is not recommended by Märklin and I am unsure if there is a way. I might look into this in the future. If you are impatient, then email me using the email address in the about and I can try it out: www.youtube.com/@ModelTrainFun/about
Enjoy ;-)
Gracias por la respuesta te sigo en tus videos y podrías hacer uno del módulo de frenado 72442
Is it possible to convert lets say regular dc 2 rail locomotive from hornby or bachman to run on marklin c-track? (to be precise i mean is it possible to add that thingy in middle bellow loco?)
I added an answer as a community post - please check out the "Community" tab. Let me know if you cannot find it. Enjoy ;-)
Does this work with m83
You can do something similar with the m83 - however, it requires some special programming of the m83, you can only use track power for the signal and I am unsure if you can make the stop track. I might make a video on this in the future. Enjoy ;-)
hvilket land er du fra?
Hi Amdi, Denmark, but live in Abu Dhabi. Enjoy ;-) Bo
5 minutes of information spread over 50 minutes
Hi Wolfgang, agreed - this is a long video - it could be shorter. Enjoy ;-) Bo
Very interesting and well explain. By the way, I have a problem to connect a signal decoder by B-Models (a Belgian manufacturer) to a Märklin CS3. Has anybody an idea?
Hi Bertrand, glad you liked the video. I know B-Models from my time in Belgium. I lived shortly in Brussels. I have not tried their signal decoder. Is this the one?
- NL: vanbiervliet.com/downloads/seindecoder-NL.pdf
- FR: vanbiervliet.com/downloads/seindecoder-FR.pdf
What is the issue?
Remember to connect the signal to the programming output on the CS3 to program it. After programming you can move it to the main power output. The signal decoder has default address 1 and is changed by use of the programming button on the decoder and sending a new address.
Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun Hi Bo! Many thanks for your quick response.The fact is that I'm rather new with the digital layouts. I'll try something else today and I comeback to you with a feedback.
@@bertrandleton4044 A big part of the hobby nowadays is also to figure out how all the digital pieces work. Hope you make it work. Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun Hi Bo.indeed. Not always easy. I'll try to link a there-phases signal to my CS3. Succeed! By the way it seems the bug in the CS3 is now fixed. I'll need to update your video ;-) For the B-Models decoder, what I have received from the manufacturers is the manual (that I had already) and the confirmation that it should be work with a CS3. The question is how. I wonder if my decoder is still functional.
@@bertrandleton4044 Glad you succeed in linking a 3-aspect signal to the CS3 and I hope you also will have sucess with your B-model decoders. To me it seems like if you take them straight out of the packaging, they should be set for a simple signal on address 1. Remember to connect both power and the "DCC signal" connectors. At least that is what I could see from the manual I referred to in the comment above. Enjoy ;-)