Gravity Falls fandom: "Omg, this wheel has symbols related to the characters, and it could mean something big later on!!" Alex Hirsch: "...I was just running late for a meeting!"
My personal guess is that the zodiac had no real use to begin with. This just proves that fact. The popularity of it by the fans made them add it in. Though I think that they did so only with the idea that it would never be useful. It is kinda funny to think about...this thing we all have theorized for so long about was just a last minute edition that no one thought would be important.
I definitely saw the zodiac's use (or lack thereof) in the finale as a sort of statement that the relationships between the characters were more important than the symbols and the conspiracies. With this behind the scenes look, it can kind of come off as a commentary on the difference between fan theories/expectations and Alex Hirsch's intentions.
@@breadeater1194 Huh, that's actually a really interesting, poignant way of looking at the use of the Zodiac in the finale. Well done, I don't think I can see it otherwise now.
It kinda is a sign of how Alex thought the show would be back then. Gravity Falls came out around the time fandoms became a bigger thing, so they picked up on GF real fast. I think I remember Alex saying somewhere that he went into the show believing that it would barely make its first season and probably get cancelled by Disney early on (not exactly what he said, but similar to it). The fandom was a huge part in the show's early on success and what got it to season 2. Alex literally almost quit on the show given season 1 broke him from how much he had to work on it. The support he got from the fandom really helped him push through and get the story done.
"because it only existed for a single frame we we figured "eh, a couple of people will notice this"" little did alex know that this is the cartoon community, they will thoroughly dissect and analyze EVERYTHING, especially if its a vague piece of information that appears to be hinting at something
Hell the 10 year sing along has already been released and now people are deciding a string of numbers relating to a slave empirium and wondering why soos is saying they are all under a spell
I do appreciate the way they managed to retroactively make the other characters fit their corresponding symbols on the Zodiac. Like how with Pacifica, initially it seemed to just be a coincidence - oh she happens to be wearing a llama jumper right now, I guess that's me - but then after the show's finished, and they go back to do Lost Legends, we get a flashback scene of little kiddy Pacifica and she has a llama toy, so it's like she's always been associated with that somehow. Nicely done, guys.
I always thought a better use of the Zodiac would have been to make it a red herring in the form of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Like, have Ford think it's the big "Care Bear Stare" finisher, only for Bill to come into the room and ask what the hell they're doing. "Oh, ha ha ha, that wasn't supposed to signify my greatest enemies. That's a list of my greatest VICTIMS!" Then he does the drape thing. The only reason why those specific people are on the wheel is because they were the people there at the time. It certainly would have made it feel less like a waste of time.
Ah yes, that kinda makes sense, I always thought that both Wendy being the Ice and Pacifica the Llama were kinda forced. Btw it's amazing how they decided to integrate the Cipher wheel in the show, it gives a little more of that paranormal spice on this show
What's crazy was I was actually watching a video from I think 2015 and it literally discussed the theory that the zodiac signs are the characters and how it is commonly believed that Pacifica was the llama. Like I replied to someone in the comments 5 years after he made it about how amazed I was that he was right and his response to me literally like, "damn, I guess I was right"
It's a good idea to know where your show starts, middles, and ends. It's also good if you have a general theme/lore of the show set up before diving straight into it. All that said, it is pretty funny that something that became the centers of theories on the Internet was devised because, "Oh I'm running late, we'll think of something LOL" It also shows that you don't have to have EVERYTHING always figured out (it helps) and that you can add a few things along the way as long as you do it right, which I think Hirsch did.
The more I write, the more I realize that there's way more power in just having a hazy outline, because what really matters is how things go along moment-to-moment. The more you plan ahead of time, the more you now have to twist and distort your characters as the story evolves and things change just to fit things into your original intention. Nothing's more valuable than being able to stay flexible and feel things out as you go. Sure, planning helps. But never just have an idea and be strictly dedicated to getting to it no matter what, right? Otherwise, you'll just struggle to justify where things go when it counts instead of finding a path to the destination that feels natural for your characters.
@@dethhollow This is already exemplified by Gravity Falls itself. The plan for Weirdmaggedon was, at first, that Bill would make a deal with Mabel directly, but by the time they got to that part, they figured Mabel had already faced Bill too many times and wouldn't be that stupid at this point in the plot, so they changed it to Bill possessing Blendin to do the deal instead
I didn't even notice the Zodiac in the opening - I always just figured Bill saw people differently because he was a 2D figure and saw things in their most simple form.
Yeah, that kinda makes sense. I always thought wendy being the ice bag was a bit of a stretch. That's not to say it's bad though. While it feels very 'chicken before the egg' - like, that's just how ideas happen sometimes. And it didn't take away from the finale, so it's all good.
You know this makes a lot of sense considering how the wheel was used in the show. In the finale the wheel was totally pointless, since they weren't able to use it to defeat bill and they ended up using a different way. I do prefer the way they did it, erasing bill from stan's mind was far more clever and heroic than a deus ex machina (tho the sacrifice was voided by stan getting his memories immediately but thats a whole other can of worms). But it makes me wonder why they even put the wheel in the show at all and have everyone theorize about it when it did nothing. Now that I know that the wheel had no purpose from the start, im guessing they forgot about it until the finale and just threw something together. Still kinda disappointed though. I would've preferred if they didn't want the wheel to be integral to the story, to maybe have it serve a more symbolic role instead. Like perhaps the wheel could've been all the people bill made deals/manipulated directly or indirectly in some in order to lead to his arrival. This actually applies to most of the people represented on the wheel. Ford, dipper and gideon made direct deals with bill. Mable and Blendin was manipulated by bill (if we went with the old idea that the ice bag represented Blendin). Mcgucket and Stan never interacted with Bill however they bothed worked on the portal which was important to Bill's arrival and their decision to do so was influenced by Ford who was influenced by Bill. Just an idea.
Even though the wheel did nothing I like how the charscters had to try multiple different things and were forced to improvise in the end to beat Bill. I especially like how Ford had prepared a contingency plan in the form of the quantum destabilizer which lends credence to the idea of Ford being an intelligent guy who knows to prepare for the worst.
I think there's a huge symbolic significance to the fact that Bill identifies everyone according to which symbol they correspond to, and they beat him, not by using his zodiac, but by having two characters switch symbols (Stan puts on a six fingered glove, Ford puts on the fez), and Bill not being able to tell them apart.
Hard disagree. I really like that it came up by the end, even though it was never meant to be anything it got a lot of fan theories going. So now they just look doubly clever, right? Once for foreshadowing something that the fans can pick up on that's (retroactively) important to the lore, and again for writing in a perfectly functional deus ex machina just to ignore it and do a more interesting solution that still makes logical sense. It doesn't matter that the wheel is useless, what ultimately matters is that people are able to speculate about it while watching and feel rewarded for predicting either that gimmick OR the other big way to solve the problem.
God I had a FEELING that the Llama was a reference to the Larry King head. I was so convinced for ages that the Llama represented the Larry King head and was so dumbfounded when theorists were attributing the Llama to Pacifica.
people need to remember to keep this ethos in mind when speculating about anything. most of the time, when something is in a tv show, it's not there to be any kind of huge signifier of anything, and was instead the result of a random decision made by someone on the team because it looked good.
Not gonna lie, I thought the ice was Thompson for a bit because in "The Inconveniencing" (the episode he was introduced), his friends were stuffing bags of ice down his pants, lol
I love how you mention that there wasn't a big plan... like, too often, fans assume that things were planned from the start... but people and ideas change and how things happen can also change...
a great way to make a story is having a solid base and then building off of it as you go along but always basing it on that solid base so it LOOKS like you always had everything planned because none of your new additions contradict what came before AND sometimes they reframe things that you made up as you went along and make the earlier things look like clues because of how well they fit!
The funny bit is that on the Book of Bill website, when Dipper made an anagram of Pacifica's full name (Pacifica Elisa Northwest), he used the word "alpaca" in it (SO, FIERCEST ALPACA WITHIN).
I swear that I heard someone dissect the characters in the zodiac with the same contrived explanations back in 2012-13 (Wendy cool as ice etc.) and thinking it was stupid and being mad when it was right. I completely understand why it didn’t have much of a point but I’ll always be a little disappointed about it. I had it taped to my wall as a kid and I’d stare at it and wonder lmao. I do that making it literally them standing in a circle wasnt the best way to use it.
SPOILER ALERT: At the end of Gravity falls when they step on the zodiac. When Wendy steps on the ice I though it was a reference to the drug ice. It would make sense because she is a teenager. ( not calling teenagers bad ) I thought it would be a funny little adult joke.
It's really cool that they were able to pay homage to the Cipher Wheel in the finale, especially when there were no plans for it initially. It makes me wonder if the fanfare surrounding it had influenced production on Season 2, especially in fleshing out characters like Robbie and Pacifica in anticipation for their placements on the wheel.
I feel like the zodiac letting the heroes win would have been a bit lame, though. I much prefer the ending we got, since it’s a lot more tied to massive personal stakes than just letting the characters win
@@bluerious5475 Yeah, that would have been a lame ending too. I just wish there was like an in-between. Where it didn't defeat Bill but it also wasn't completely useless
It didn't mean nothing. It *could* have defeated Bill. The Stan twins squabbling screwed that up, and they happened to find an alternative way to defeat Bill with science instead of magic
Sometimes unexpected things make the most sense. Like, they could never really make anything happen with it. Sometimes people underestimate their fan's enthusiasm.
The ancient ten house zodiac is pre Roman, compared to our twelve house version. That's why Octo is 10th instead of 8th and Dece is 12th instead of 10th. Ice, in esoteric symbolism, represents Isis or as we know her, the constellation Virgo. Mabel is a shooting star and and entire episode was dedicated to her becoming serious aka Sirius the dog star in Orion, but they didn't give her a bow and arrow, probably because Disney standards or grappling hooks are cooler. Stan's fez is a Freemason sign of Venus iirc. Dipper is probably also a constellation resonator or representative, but we'd need some sort of evidence to back that up, like a hat with a star on it, or a golden child style birthmark. It was always a prophecy and a zodiac, but Hirsch can technically say it was pieced together as they went because that's the outlining method they used. They're only really allowed to say the masonic secrets in fiction or fraternally protected environments, so he can't come out and say the exact truth or he'd hear about it from his lodge. We can talk about it though, because it just makes us seem crazy...
Idk if Alex Hirsch or other GF creators are actually Freemasons but I guess it's not impossible. It's a good way to network in industries and a cypher nerd like Hirsch would want to get involved in something like that. I think Hirsch would have a special ring if he was though, and that might actually be something the Masons publicize since they're not really secret on membership and stuff. He could also probably make references like this without being a Mason though, a lot of the info is out there. I still don't think it's quite as in-depth as you're saying, or at least not on this specific bit (certainly other parts of the show's mythos). It's worth mentioning that the henchmaniac Kryptos is the Freemason symbol and Dipper's real name is Mason, which is revealed in Journal 3 and Ford positively references the society when he learns that. There's also secret society stuff in the Book of Bill but it's much more parody. Of course that's not to mention the Society of the Blind Eye.
If it were to be more logical, I'd have Wendy be an Axe (uses it during the final episodes, climbs the tree in that shape-shifter episode with it, probably nothing else but it makes more sense than Ice) and Prisfica. Idk Jewels?
I think it would be funny if Pacifica's was just money💸 And also Fiddleford would either have a pickaxe, the blind eye or the glasses would look more like the ones he uses since i always found weird that Ford basically has two symbols, the six finger hand and the glasses who are exactly like his own glasses
Well, since the algorithm has deigned to deliver this video unto me, I suppose I should point out the first thought I had upon seeing the thumbnail, which is that the cartoon Alex Hirsch looks uncannily like a young Ford Cruller from Psychonauts.
But at least to me the "Wendy is the ice bag because she's cOoL" felt a bit weird compared to the ides that the ice bag in Time Traveller's Pig was actually such a big turning point for Dipper's relationship with her, and for both their characters as a whole. Somewhat similar to how Cap & Iron Man diverge paths in Civil War; the "diverging" of paths between Wendy and Dipper as a result of the incident in that episode bring about a whole host of plot points and storyline that are explored throughout the rest of the show; the ups and downs of Wendy & Dipper's friendship, Dipper & Robbie fighting over Wendy, the whole Robbie/Tambry thing. And all of this leads to the end of the show, where Wendy and Dipper are (currently) just friends, but care so much for each other, having enjoying each other's company on the various adventures they've been throigh together, especially the final battle against Bill. Though I know that Alex says they didn't reslly have a meaning being the ice bag, and yes the "Pacifica = Llama" was definitely forced, from the first time I watched the episode where the zodiac is revealed I believed that Wendy as the ice bag is actually symbolic of a lot more. But thats just my interpretation
How to make time travel impossible 1. Invent time machine. 2. Travel to 23rd century. 3. Invent probability changing machine to make probability certain that time travel machines are impossible forever.
So that's why it didn't really have a big role in the story... It was never meant to be in the story in the first place! I just thought it was a failed Chekhov's gun.
Since it wasn't planned i wonder if in case it was some people on it would change like Robbie for example, he feels like the least relevant out of all of them, having just season 1 it makes sense for him to be there but with season 2 he loses all relevance to the plot, like i feel that overall Blendin would make more sense on the wheel than Robbie
To be honest I STILL thought the 6 fingered hand was a reference to Fringe all the way up until this second. It is a FANTASTIC paranormal show so it just made sense that Alex would be inspired by it. And now I find out he's not even watched it. At least the Fringe references in the MLP Comics are unmistakable. But for shows like Gravity Falls, Owl House, Amphibia, where there's this sense of conectivity, like, Fringe references would make so much damn sense to include. Why? Well... That's kind of a spoiler. You should just go out and watch Fringe. It's in the same genre as Gravity Falls if you ask me, but live action, and aimed just at adults.
It always annoyed me that in this amcient unholy image theres a 21st cemtury bag of ice, I guess the answer is as simple as "it literally doesn't have a meaning"
I love that this uber ancient mystical wheel just has a modern bag of ice on it.
That's kind of how prophecies work.
It looks weird and I love it.
Gravity Falls fandom: "Omg, this wheel has symbols related to the characters, and it could mean something big later on!!"
Alex Hirsch: "...I was just running late for a meeting!"
This was 3 days ago
I mean it did end up meaning something big
Not even that. They defeated Bill with this memory eraser instad.
He was, but things lined up perfectly.
This is why I prefer to take things at face value. Some things that are unanimously beloved aren't worth overthinking on.
Oh, that explains why they didn’t actually use the zodiac in the finale
My personal guess is that the zodiac had no real use to begin with. This just proves that fact. The popularity of it by the fans made them add it in. Though I think that they did so only with the idea that it would never be useful. It is kinda funny to think about...this thing we all have theorized for so long about was just a last minute edition that no one thought would be important.
I definitely saw the zodiac's use (or lack thereof) in the finale as a sort of statement that the relationships between the characters were more important than the symbols and the conspiracies.
With this behind the scenes look, it can kind of come off as a commentary on the difference between fan theories/expectations and Alex Hirsch's intentions.
@@breadeater1194 Huh, that's actually a really interesting, poignant way of looking at the use of the Zodiac in the finale. Well done, I don't think I can see it otherwise now.
@@ThatGFFAN It didn't but they gave it one and Had the Stan Twins wreck it to raise the stakes even higher then they were.
Remember when we used to call it The Bill Cipher Wheel, and before that, The Triangle Guy Circle? Good times...
Its hilarious how long fans of the show spent trying to decode a hastily thrown together image that Alex thought nobody would care about.
Don’t underestimate cartoon conspiracy theorists who like having fun
“Lamas are natures greatest warriors”
Pacifica being the greatest warrior is just so funny to imagine 😭
It's so weird like 😂
Funny how they kinda just wing it at the end. I mean while Pacifica wearing the Llama jumper and Wendy being a metaphor as the ice bag!
It kinda is a sign of how Alex thought the show would be back then. Gravity Falls came out around the time fandoms became a bigger thing, so they picked up on GF real fast. I think I remember Alex saying somewhere that he went into the show believing that it would barely make its first season and probably get cancelled by Disney early on (not exactly what he said, but similar to it). The fandom was a huge part in the show's early on success and what got it to season 2. Alex literally almost quit on the show given season 1 broke him from how much he had to work on it. The support he got from the fandom really helped him push through and get the story done.
We’ve also seen a llama painting in Pacifica’s house
@@ThatGFFAN As well as A talk with Jon Stewart.
The funny thing is though that people predicted those years ago anyway somehow
@@foursidekm maybe the people on show saw these theories and incorporated them into the show
"because it only existed for a single frame we we figured "eh, a couple of people will notice this""
little did alex know that this is the cartoon community, they will thoroughly dissect and analyze EVERYTHING, especially if its a vague piece of information that appears to be hinting at something
Even 8 year old me that had no idea things were even hidden in the background of tv shows noticed this
Hell the 10 year sing along has already been released and now people are deciding a string of numbers relating to a slave empirium and wondering why soos is saying they are all under a spell
I love how much of the show's little details are last thought but then turned out to be super important as the series continued
And yeah it comes off as if it was planned all along.
I do appreciate the way they managed to retroactively make the other characters fit their corresponding symbols on the Zodiac. Like how with Pacifica, initially it seemed to just be a coincidence - oh she happens to be wearing a llama jumper right now, I guess that's me - but then after the show's finished, and they go back to do Lost Legends, we get a flashback scene of little kiddy Pacifica and she has a llama toy, so it's like she's always been associated with that somehow. Nicely done, guys.
And then there's that one anagram hidden on the "This is Not a Real Website" website.
I always thought a better use of the Zodiac would have been to make it a red herring in the form of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Like, have Ford think it's the big "Care Bear Stare" finisher, only for Bill to come into the room and ask what the hell they're doing. "Oh, ha ha ha, that wasn't supposed to signify my greatest enemies. That's a list of my greatest VICTIMS!" Then he does the drape thing.
The only reason why those specific people are on the wheel is because they were the people there at the time. It certainly would have made it feel less like a waste of time.
Ah yes, that kinda makes sense, I always thought that both Wendy being the Ice and Pacifica the Llama were kinda forced.
Btw it's amazing how they decided to integrate the Cipher wheel in the show, it gives a little more of that paranormal spice on this show
Alex Hirsch is very interesting and leave many loose ends in them series 🤔🤔🤨🧐🤔
What's crazy was I was actually watching a video from I think 2015 and it literally discussed the theory that the zodiac signs are the characters and how it is commonly believed that Pacifica was the llama.
Like I replied to someone in the comments 5 years after he made it about how amazed I was that he was right and his response to me literally like, "damn, I guess I was right"
It's a good idea to know where your show starts, middles, and ends. It's also good if you have a general theme/lore of the show set up before diving straight into it. All that said, it is pretty funny that something that became the centers of theories on the Internet was devised because, "Oh I'm running late, we'll think of something LOL" It also shows that you don't have to have EVERYTHING always figured out (it helps) and that you can add a few things along the way as long as you do it right, which I think Hirsch did.
The more I write, the more I realize that there's way more power in just having a hazy outline, because what really matters is how things go along moment-to-moment. The more you plan ahead of time, the more you now have to twist and distort your characters as the story evolves and things change just to fit things into your original intention. Nothing's more valuable than being able to stay flexible and feel things out as you go.
Sure, planning helps. But never just have an idea and be strictly dedicated to getting to it no matter what, right? Otherwise, you'll just struggle to justify where things go when it counts instead of finding a path to the destination that feels natural for your characters.
@@dethhollow This is already exemplified by Gravity Falls itself. The plan for Weirdmaggedon was, at first, that Bill would make a deal with Mabel directly, but by the time they got to that part, they figured Mabel had already faced Bill too many times and wouldn't be that stupid at this point in the plot, so they changed it to Bill possessing Blendin to do the deal instead
I didn't even notice the Zodiac in the opening - I always just figured Bill saw people differently because he was a 2D figure and saw things in their most simple form.
Yeah, that kinda makes sense. I always thought wendy being the ice bag was a bit of a stretch.
That's not to say it's bad though. While it feels very 'chicken before the egg' - like, that's just how ideas happen sometimes. And it didn't take away from the finale, so it's all good.
You know this makes a lot of sense considering how the wheel was used in the show. In the finale the wheel was totally pointless, since they weren't able to use it to defeat bill and they ended up using a different way. I do prefer the way they did it, erasing bill from stan's mind was far more clever and heroic than a deus ex machina (tho the sacrifice was voided by stan getting his memories immediately but thats a whole other can of worms). But it makes me wonder why they even put the wheel in the show at all and have everyone theorize about it when it did nothing. Now that I know that the wheel had no purpose from the start, im guessing they forgot about it until the finale and just threw something together.
Still kinda disappointed though. I would've preferred if they didn't want the wheel to be integral to the story, to maybe have it serve a more symbolic role instead. Like perhaps the wheel could've been all the people bill made deals/manipulated directly or indirectly in some in order to lead to his arrival. This actually applies to most of the people represented on the wheel. Ford, dipper and gideon made direct deals with bill. Mable and Blendin was manipulated by bill (if we went with the old idea that the ice bag represented Blendin). Mcgucket and Stan never interacted with Bill however they bothed worked on the portal which was important to Bill's arrival and their decision to do so was influenced by Ford who was influenced by Bill. Just an idea.
Even though the wheel did nothing I like how the charscters had to try multiple different things and were forced to improvise in the end to beat Bill. I especially like how Ford had prepared a contingency plan in the form of the quantum destabilizer which lends credence to the idea of Ford being an intelligent guy who knows to prepare for the worst.
I think there's a huge symbolic significance to the fact that Bill identifies everyone according to which symbol they correspond to, and they beat him, not by using his zodiac, but by having two characters switch symbols (Stan puts on a six fingered glove, Ford puts on the fez), and Bill not being able to tell them apart.
@@breadeater1194 I'm surprised I haven't thought of it that way earlier, especially when Bill almost always refers to the characters by their symbols.
Hard disagree. I really like that it came up by the end, even though it was never meant to be anything it got a lot of fan theories going. So now they just look doubly clever, right? Once for foreshadowing something that the fans can pick up on that's (retroactively) important to the lore, and again for writing in a perfectly functional deus ex machina just to ignore it and do a more interesting solution that still makes logical sense.
It doesn't matter that the wheel is useless, what ultimately matters is that people are able to speculate about it while watching and feel rewarded for predicting either that gimmick OR the other big way to solve the problem.
I have a zodiac for zodiacs
And the zodiac of zodiacs that has zodiacs... This could go on forever
🤯
God I had a FEELING that the Llama was a reference to the Larry King head. I was so convinced for ages that the Llama represented the Larry King head and was so dumbfounded when theorists were attributing the Llama to Pacifica.
people need to remember to keep this ethos in mind when speculating about anything. most of the time, when something is in a tv show, it's not there to be any kind of huge signifier of anything, and was instead the result of a random decision made by someone on the team because it looked good.
The fact that I spent years watching fan theories and trying to figure out who was who, i-
Not gonna lie, I thought the ice was Thompson for a bit because in "The Inconveniencing" (the episode he was introduced), his friends were stuffing bags of ice down his pants, lol
I love how you mention that there wasn't a big plan... like, too often, fans assume that things were planned from the start... but people and ideas change and how things happen can also change...
a great way to make a story is having a solid base and then building off of it as you go along but always basing it on that solid base so it LOOKS like you always had everything planned because none of your new additions contradict what came before AND sometimes they reframe things that you made up as you went along and make the earlier things look like clues because of how well they fit!
The funny bit is that on the Book of Bill website, when Dipper made an anagram of Pacifica's full name (Pacifica Elisa Northwest), he used the word "alpaca" in it (SO, FIERCEST ALPACA WITHIN).
I swear that I heard someone dissect the characters in the zodiac with the same contrived explanations back in 2012-13 (Wendy cool as ice etc.) and thinking it was stupid and being mad when it was right.
I completely understand why it didn’t have much of a point but I’ll always be a little disappointed about it. I had it taped to my wall as a kid and I’d stare at it and wonder lmao. I do that making it literally them standing in a circle wasnt the best way to use it.
"Let's make it a cool image"
**Ice**
The "not literal" ones are the ones that always bothered me. Particularly the ice xD
SPOILER ALERT: At the end of Gravity falls when they step on the zodiac. When Wendy steps on the ice I though it was a reference to the drug ice. It would make sense because she is a teenager. ( not calling teenagers bad ) I thought it would be a funny little adult joke.
It's really cool that they were able to pay homage to the Cipher Wheel in the finale, especially when there were no plans for it initially. It makes me wonder if the fanfare surrounding it had influenced production on Season 2, especially in fleshing out characters like Robbie and Pacifica in anticipation for their placements on the wheel.
Wendy with ICE makes sense in Episode 5 (the awakening) and this episode #10.
Other than that....doesn’t pop up much.
I remember people were theorizing for ages that the Llama meant Pacifica, that’s so funny. It was all completely made up 💀
My biggest gripe with the finale was how the zodiac meant nothing. I always thought that was super lame but I guess I know why it did nothing now.
I feel like the zodiac letting the heroes win would have been a bit lame, though. I much prefer the ending we got, since it’s a lot more tied to massive personal stakes than just letting the characters win
@@bluerious5475 Yeah, that would have been a lame ending too. I just wish there was like an in-between. Where it didn't defeat Bill but it also wasn't completely useless
It didn't mean nothing. It *could* have defeated Bill. The Stan twins squabbling screwed that up, and they happened to find an alternative way to defeat Bill with science instead of magic
Dude! How do you find these episodes and why!? Do you like, constantly stalk Alex Hirsch or something?! 🤣
Let's just say that I know people who hooked me up with these ;)
@@ThatGFFAN Ah. I see. Sorry. I geuss I'm just a little jealous on how you know this when I haven't even heard about them before.😆
Stalk? LOL LOL
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@Tyler_ _ ... *Sigh*
Sometimes unexpected things make the most sense. Like, they could never really make anything happen with it. Sometimes people underestimate their fan's enthusiasm.
This is actually a very big joke on us and I love it
The ancient ten house zodiac is pre Roman, compared to our twelve house version. That's why Octo is 10th instead of 8th and Dece is 12th instead of 10th. Ice, in esoteric symbolism, represents Isis or as we know her, the constellation Virgo. Mabel is a shooting star and and entire episode was dedicated to her becoming serious aka Sirius the dog star in Orion, but they didn't give her a bow and arrow, probably because Disney standards or grappling hooks are cooler. Stan's fez is a Freemason sign of Venus iirc. Dipper is probably also a constellation resonator or representative, but we'd need some sort of evidence to back that up, like a hat with a star on it, or a golden child style birthmark. It was always a prophecy and a zodiac, but Hirsch can technically say it was pieced together as they went because that's the outlining method they used. They're only really allowed to say the masonic secrets in fiction or fraternally protected environments, so he can't come out and say the exact truth or he'd hear about it from his lodge. We can talk about it though, because it just makes us seem crazy...
Idk if Alex Hirsch or other GF creators are actually Freemasons but I guess it's not impossible. It's a good way to network in industries and a cypher nerd like Hirsch would want to get involved in something like that. I think Hirsch would have a special ring if he was though, and that might actually be something the Masons publicize since they're not really secret on membership and stuff. He could also probably make references like this without being a Mason though, a lot of the info is out there. I still don't think it's quite as in-depth as you're saying, or at least not on this specific bit (certainly other parts of the show's mythos). It's worth mentioning that the henchmaniac Kryptos is the Freemason symbol and Dipper's real name is Mason, which is revealed in Journal 3 and Ford positively references the society when he learns that. There's also secret society stuff in the Book of Bill but it's much more parody. Of course that's not to mention the Society of the Blind Eye.
No wonder Gravity Falls is one of the best shows of the 2010’s 🙂
I like that two of my favorite shows are connected here
Thats cool he took inspiration from the mayans
If it were to be more logical, I'd have Wendy be an Axe (uses it during the final episodes, climbs the tree in that shape-shifter episode with it, probably nothing else but it makes more sense than Ice) and Prisfica. Idk Jewels?
Wendy comes from a lumberjack family
I think it would be funny if Pacifica's was just money💸
And also Fiddleford would either have a pickaxe, the blind eye or the glasses would look more like the ones he uses since i always found weird that Ford basically has two symbols, the six finger hand and the glasses who are exactly like his own glasses
Well, since the algorithm has deigned to deliver this video unto me, I suppose I should point out the first thought I had upon seeing the thumbnail, which is that the cartoon Alex Hirsch looks uncannily like a young Ford Cruller from Psychonauts.
Like a true manga artist
But at least to me the "Wendy is the ice bag because she's cOoL" felt a bit weird compared to the ides that the ice bag in Time Traveller's Pig was actually such a big turning point for Dipper's relationship with her, and for both their characters as a whole. Somewhat similar to how Cap & Iron Man diverge paths in Civil War; the "diverging" of paths between Wendy and Dipper as a result of the incident in that episode bring about a whole host of plot points and storyline that are explored throughout the rest of the show; the ups and downs of Wendy & Dipper's friendship, Dipper & Robbie fighting over Wendy, the whole Robbie/Tambry thing. And all of this leads to the end of the show, where Wendy and Dipper are (currently) just friends, but care so much for each other, having enjoying each other's company on the various adventures they've been throigh together, especially the final battle against Bill. Though I know that Alex says they didn't reslly have a meaning being the ice bag, and yes the "Pacifica = Llama" was definitely forced, from the first time I watched the episode where the zodiac is revealed I believed that Wendy as the ice bag is actually symbolic of a lot more. But thats just my interpretation
People did theorize that Pacifica was the llama before Weirdmaggedon, it’s just funny how it was something thrown together though
My headcanon is that the Zodiac was key in bringing all the characters together in order to fight Cipher.
This makes sense to me. I always thought that some of the symbols were arbitrary.
Shout out love from india
Best Plans are on the go
Fringe is amazing.
Fringe is the reason Bill Cipher exists lol
Now it turns 9
How to make time travel impossible
1. Invent time machine.
2. Travel to 23rd century.
3. Invent probability changing machine to make probability certain that time travel machines are impossible forever.
That explains why it has the book on it without representing the author.
So that's why it didn't really have a big role in the story... It was never meant to be in the story in the first place! I just thought it was a failed Chekhov's gun.
Omg I loved Fringe, I don’t remember the 6 fingered hand at all lmao
Suggestion: Wendy is actually the pine tree.
They should have done Wendy’s hat and a dollar bill for Pacifica.
Figured as much. There is alot of improv when trying to finish any show.
My freaking headphones aren't working :(
If the Zodiac does work, Will the Zodiac characters have bill cipher powers and abilities in their own way.
Since it wasn't planned i wonder if in case it was some people on it would change like Robbie for example, he feels like the least relevant out of all of them, having just season 1 it makes sense for him to be there but with season 2 he loses all relevance to the plot, like i feel that overall Blendin would make more sense on the wheel than Robbie
To be honest I STILL thought the 6 fingered hand was a reference to Fringe all the way up until this second. It is a FANTASTIC paranormal show so it just made sense that Alex would be inspired by it. And now I find out he's not even watched it.
At least the Fringe references in the MLP Comics are unmistakable. But for shows like Gravity Falls, Owl House, Amphibia, where there's this sense of conectivity, like, Fringe references would make so much damn sense to include. Why? Well... That's kind of a spoiler. You should just go out and watch Fringe. It's in the same genre as Gravity Falls if you ask me, but live action, and aimed just at adults.
YES HOW DOD YOU FIND THIS
Robbi
It always annoyed me that in this amcient unholy image theres a 21st cemtury bag of ice, I guess the answer is as simple as "it literally doesn't have a meaning"
I mean hey that is also just how prophecies work I guess
Haha, interesting!
Graviti falls back?
no
Yes, this is the back side of Gravity Falls. A.K.A behind the scenes.
At the end of pewds vid he has a zodiac for his game poopdie
L matpat’s theory
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