"Perception is one thing. Reality is another. I give you an example La liga 2011 2012 . Champions. Real Madrid. 100 points 121 goals. Most goals scored In the history of Spanish football at the time. Most wins. Most points ever. 9 points ahead of the greatest barcelona ever Manager . The "defensive "Jose mourinho Premier league 2014 2015 Chelsea wins it with the first half of the season full of 3 or 4 goals every game Manager . The "defensive " Jose mourinho There's a misconception on my career " Mourinho as a sky pundit
@@NeilLewis77 Madrid was only counter attacking playing against Barcelona And that chelsea team was basically playing like city now . Oscar . Costa . Hazard and fabregas played amazing attacking football. Only in the last couple of months they scrapped hard fought wins
He wasn’t a defensive manager, it’s just that parking the bus is a tactic that he uses. He tried to be attacking and defensive when the time requires it.
0:56 Whoever came up with this confusing table needs to be criticised more than Arteta. Why not sort it in a fixed format of “rank” followed by “last/this season” on both sides?
Jamie makes a strong case. I'm not happy with the evolution. We reached a brilliant balance end of last season where we were rock solid defensively but still could score plenty of goals. Sadly, due to his overreaction to Odegard's loss, Arteta has veered to a defensive extreme which does not suit our players or usual style.
Another thing which could also be said is that this is not really a 'Mourinho Approach' per se, rather an 'Arsenal Approach' from the era of George Graham and early Arsene Wenger. Arsenal traditionally were 'big and strong': Adams, Bold, Davis, O'Leary, Smith, Rocastle, Anderson, Caesar, Caton, Mariner, Lukic, Keown etc. Come on now, Arsenal were always "strong and powerful". Wimbledon were closely behind them. I think people are forgetting Arsenal's heritage.
this is not evolution because we only play defensive like this since odegaard injured and last 2 season we play attacking football, so this situation more like arteta just made wrong tactic since odegaard get injured, he should keep our style like last 2 season and replace odegaard with ethan nwaneri at number 10, that is it
I'm a Liverpool supporter and watching the match on Saturday I couldn't believe Arteta brought on Zinchenko and Ben White when he had Sterling and other attackers on the bench🤦🏾♂️
@@BrianConlon-ng5bw football its not about one man, you have to understand that kid and odegaard can play like world class on the pitch but if defender made mistake like blunder then arsenal still will dropped point, you understand kid??😝😝
Think it’s understandable they’re relying more on the defence cause the attack as a collective aren’t very clinical and now they’re without Odegaard creating less chances making the chances less they’re gonna score. Marfinelli, Jesus, Havertz, Saka, Trossard are players that weren’t gonna leave the past summer so it feels he’s had to back that attack and not have much investment put into it and only have to make do with Sterling. Nico Williams, Sesko looked like they were targets but they were unavailable. Even them though you can’t bank on being gunmen, that’s part of the problem with the market recently. There hasn’t been a lot of guarantee with attackers.
Another thing which could also be said is that this is not really a 'Mourinho Approach' per se, rather an 'Arsenal Approach' from the era of George Graham and early Arsene Wenger. Arsenal traditionally were 'big and strong': Adams, Bold, Davis, O'Leary, Smith, Rocastle, Anderson, Caesar, Caton, Mariner, Lukic, Keown etc. Come on now, Arsenal were always "strong and powerful". Wimbledon were closely behind them. I think people are forgetting Arsenal's heritage.
Disgaree very much Arsenal with Calafiori, Timber as fullbacks looked really threatening but with injuries Arteta had to rely on defence and set pieces. Merino hasn't integrated in the team fully. Even with all that Arsenal are still a great pressing team they don't back off unless reduced to 10 men or they already have a lead. Against Man City Arsenal were pressing them very high. Same with Liverpool if Arsenal were playing like a Mourinho team they wouldn't be conceding the late goal they conceded against Liverpool by pressing them so high in the 81st minute.
If Mikel doesn't have the attacking quality that Manchester City have, what stopped him from signing it ?!! A striker like Toney should have never been allowed to go Saudi league, Isak to Newcastle and Solanke to Spurs
Arsenal squad: DM: Partey, Rice, Merino, Jorginho LB: Zinchenko, Calafiori, Tierney, Timber AM: Odegaard. Players sold: Smith-Rowe, Nketiah, Nelson When Arsenal spend their money on defensive players and sell their attackers how’s that City’s problem. Arsenal l
Jose First 5 seasons: 2002-03 (Porto): Primeira Liga, Taça de Portugal ,UEFA Cup 2003-04 (Porto): Primeira Liga, Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira, UEFA Champions League 2004-05 (Chelsea): Premier League, League Cup 2005-06 (Chelsea): Premier League, FA Cup ,Community Shield 2006-07 (Chelsea): Premier League, League Cup Arteta First 5 Seasons: FA Cup 2x 8th place finishes 1x Bottled Top 4 1x Bottled Title 1x Community Shield
Forgot about Jorginho, Trossard and Kiwior signings. We had signed the technicians, then we brought in the strength. Not signing an attacking player this summer was a big mistake though
@@dordevukmanbut he built a dominant inter side and won a treble and won a UCL with Porto so nobody can question his ability to win it, pep didn’t win it with Bayern it means nothing. Clough won 2 with Notts forest but struggled massively years earlier at Leeds who were much bigger at the time sometimes it’s about the chemistry of the team and the players at the managers disposal suiting the tactical style of play.
2:54 Timber came from Ajax and was specifically known as a ball playing defender from that Dutch style. He’s just also a good defender unlike Zinchenko
I think Jamie has it a bit skewed about Jose and Arteta, Berbatov was more on point with Arteta: If you look at the signings Pep has made since 18 - 24, you'll notice the signings are taller and bigger in size while still retaining the technical treshhold from years past. Arteta is practically doing the same. The only difference is the versatility aspect and unpredictable aspect. Arteta is looking to create a team that primarily plays silky football but uses physicality, speed and height as it means to regain possession or control in gamestates (e.g. long ball, duels, quick throw-ins, counter attacks). If you're facing a team that can only uses possesion and height then you deal with 2 problems. If you're facing a team can play on the ground, uses height, on the counter, long balls, slow the game down, then you're dealing with an unpredictable team that can do anything. Jose on the otherhand will use any style to win, as long as it gets him the win. Whereas Arteta uses any style that will eventually give him the "control" he wants, that eventually gets him the win. The problem arteta is having now is that he's having injuries to key players that help enforce his "possession" style, so its making his team look a tad awkward with the ball So what you now have is a team that is aerially great, can defend but missing creativity. Jamie thinks this is intentional hence why he's calling it jose. Its not intentional
@@Youafool500 he's had odegaard missing and then was missing timber, califiouri, white, saka for a period and then add in the games where they've had to play with 10 men which lead to more unfit players. People are forgetting that part when talking about recent results
One thing Jamie forgot to highlight is that Mourinho’s best teams were set up for the counter attacks and were extremely efficient at it. Even when he was Spurs he got Kane and Son to fire away on counters
As an Arsenal fan, I think Carra Is spot on here. Backed by solid data and evidence. He's not like Neville who just throws out crazy statements for effect - Carra actually does his homework to back up his points.
What does this myth with phisicality of Mourinho teams mean actually? In his second spell Hazard and Oscar ran the show at Chelsea, at Inter it was Milito, Eto'o, Sneijder, Pandev, etc. I think it is kind of a misleading point.
Chelsea had drogba, ballack, ivanavic Garry Cahill John terry John obi Mikel ,Essien, inter had Adriano, ibrahimavic, matterazzi, Lucio even eto was 6 ft and rapid!
Yea I mean you named the few creative attacking forces in the teams. Mourinho always loved consistency and stability, look at what he did when he took over Porto. Obviously he wasn't building a team entirely out of behemoths, but he did love having defensively sound, hard to beat, fighting teams. I get why fans see what Jamie said as a criticism, as every fan loves the idea of their team playing football like prime Barcalona, but it's not. If Jamie said he's turning into a Sean Dyche, yea, I get the criticism 😂
Jose had a good defensive foundation at Inter. Cordoba, Materazzi, Lucio, Cambiasso, Motta, Zanetti, Lucio, Samuel, etc. They had warriors. Same at Chelsea, despite what they had in the last third
Mourinho took route one football to it's peak , he can win with counters , possession , set pieces without conceding...He has the best defensive record with 15 goals in a whole season ffs😂 he is what all pragmatic coaches dream of , but he mixes it with flair and intelligence , not just brute force .He is a well balanced manager , only problem with him is he never stays at a club longer than two years
Another thing which could also be said is that this is not really a 'Mourinho Approach' per se, rather an 'Arsenal Approach' from the era of George Graham and early Arsene Wenger. Arsenal traditionally were 'big and strong': Adams, Bold, Davis, O'Leary, Smith, Rocastle, Anderson, Caesar, Caton, Mariner, Lukic, Keown etc. Come on now, Arsenal were always "strong and powerful". Wimbledon were closely behind them. I think people are forgetting Arsenal's heritage.
The fact that Carra has felt the need to justify it because of crying Arsenal fans shows how unintelligent that fanbase is. Sometimes you don’t need stats to make a statement, some things are clearly visible to the eye. The fact Arsenal fans have taken it as an insult is because of their fragile egos. Mourinho was successful, unlike Arsenal yet, so if anyone should be upset, it should be Mourinho
Carragher tried to defend his words and failed. Comparing Arteta to Mourinho this season based “ on stats” is lazy considering the circumstances arsenal have played under this season. He was calling Arteta pep Guardiola last season 🙃🙃🙃🙃
It’s because they don’t respect Mourinho bcs of his fights with Wenger. That guy is the goat … one of the best managers ever. Being compared to him isn’t a disgrace
to be fair to Arsenal they've had 3 red cards so far this season, played some tough fixtures with alot of injuries at such an early stage of the season so the stats could be deceiving.
This is such a rubbish take. Why does this manager have to always be compared in approach. He just tries to adapt to each team he plays and sometimes we go on bad runs. He isn’t Jose and he isn’t pep.
But Jamie is right though Arsenal have been more defensively minded this season even without the red cards it's not a criticism Jose was a brilliant manager who won trophies how can you be angry at Arteta being compared to a brilliant manager Arsenal are honestly the most negative and deluded fan base in the prem
He is Moyes 😂 you are right ...He's not Pep though he tried and he is not Mourinho , the trophies show that too ...But he is David Moyes and Havertz is his version of Fellaini 😂
Two years ago it was that you were still building. Last year it was injuries. This year it is red cards and Odegard. Is there ever a time when Arsenal don't make a delusional pathetic excuse for losing? This is the mindset of losers. The last thing Arsenal actually won was one FA cup against Lampard 5 years ago with the old Team inherited from Emery and two time 'top at Christmas' trophy. Even The horrendous Ten Hag won more in 2 years with Jonny Evans and Amribat at the tragic Man United. For the last few years, when Arsenal bottled the league every season, Arsenal fans have comforted themselves saying that they have been "building something special". Of course, we all laughed. Now, even when Man City have many key players injured and out of form, dropping points, Arsenal have found a way to still be 7 points behind, 5th place, only 10 games in. The last time a team won from such a position they invented the Euro and Simon Cowell was pitching Pop Idol series 1.
@@SmolenskiPrince im not even an arsenal face you lil degenerate. Ijust stated the most obvious reason why their style of play and goal return has changed. get a life
Y'all remember how Tim Cahill was school Roy Keane about this same Arteta back in 2020 or so about, this may sound offensive and i apologize but English people way of seeing football is outdated. This is why you don't see top English coaches in big clubs doing wonders like the rest of Europe does. On Mikel Arteta, he's doing this thing where they start slow but finish strong like they did last season when they returned from Dubai's break, same goes for pep, they'll experiment at the beginning of the season with the tactics till they get the right set up or pattern to win consistently, y'all remember how Arsenal was scoring loads of goals during the second round of the season.
Havertz, merino, calafiori are all technically gifted players. Havertz isn’t exactly a lump up to him guy is he. Even timbers good on the ball. I think the 3 games with 10 men and losing Odegaard has made us lose confidence to play out. Against Liverpool are football was good until the injuries.
@@Cymru85 odegaars has capability like u said and also ethan nwaneri 17yo but arteta did not want play him, if arteta play ethan then he can keep his style attacking football like last 2 season even when odegaard get injured, this is just wrong tactic and wrong decision by arteta not morphing into jose
@@Cymru85 when odegaard come back to the pitch arsenal will play attacking football again even this season arsenal play attacking football before odegaard get injured, so whole your argument useless when you said "arteta has become Jose." .
As a Liverpool fan. I have to admit. Arsenal are stacked with good players. Players like Partey, Sterling, Jesus, Jorgino are proven winners yet Arteta doesnt play them all at the same match. He is not taking advantage of their individual style and experience.
It’s a long season. If u can defend well and use less energy to get results then I think it’s brilliant from them. Not entertaining but still brilliant
"Strong defensively, height & strength, set piece reliance, direct style, win trophies." Apart from winning trophies perhaps, those are the traits we often associate with mid to low table PL team. If anything, Carragher's analysis is an indication of how Arteta is approaching the whole PL, not City alone. Most teams in the league now are adept at retaining the ball, capable of escaping pressure and build up from the back, and they will only get better (which we can argue that Pep's successes were in many ways down to his anticipation of exactly that, but what separated him from Klopp and Arteta or any other top 6 manager was that he saw it much earlier). We can see now City, Arsenal & Liverpool are not seeing as much of the ball as they had done in previous seasons. In any case, I agree with Carragher that being a 'Mourinho' team is not a criticism. It is simply pragmatism on the part of Arteta. Why should that be criticised? Perhaps the discussion should be whether or not pragmatism is what Arsenal need now to win the league, or if they do or do not have what it takes to adopt said pragmatism.
we only play defensive like this since odegaard injured and last 2 season we play attacking football, so this situation more like arteta just made WRONG TACTIC since odegaard get injured, he should keep our style like last 2 season and replace odegaard with ethan nwaneri at number 10, when odegaard back to the pitch we will play attacking football like last 2 season, that is it
@@joshuakithyoma9575 moyes never title race 2 season in row for compete with mancheater city and won fa cup like arteta did more like moyes totally failed at manutd let alone compete title race, so LET ALONE arteta become like TONY PULIS, you kid
Great bants from the show’s editors/social managers - this is sure to rile up the goons! Comparing their side with a Jose side! Only difference is the obvious one!!! Jose’s a winner…..or at least was!!
We’ve literally got 1 creative midfielder in the whole squad (apart from a 17 year old nwaneri) and people expect us to play the style of football we’ve played for the last 2 seasons without him? 😂 At the same time though, no one asked arteta to play trossard in the number 10 and change the whole system to pretty much a 442 at times so it is his own fault. Nwaneri should’ve been starting in odegaard absence
@@mattdavies2736 Who said ahead?? The point is having a squad and depth??? And you literally replaced attackers with defensive players and then cry when u cant score or win games.
@@kevalshah4097 and did you not see me say that it’s artetas fault. I’m just speaking on the current situation and those are the facts. The fact people are saying he’s morphing into a Jose mourinho style manager is just funny to me
I understand Carragher is giving his opinion but sometimes I’m disappointed when I hear former players say the darnest of things. I expect more a intelligent analysis of the game, and fans should be able to learn something new. Being pragmatic is part of the game. Carragher played under Benitez who was a pragmatist. I would assume he should know that it is needed especially you don’t have the best team.
Berbatov is basically hit the nail on the head here. I dont personally think this is a Mourinho style. Its Arteta trying to be everything all at once: strong defensively, but also with high levels of possession and high press attacking. The problem is you need to constantly change and adapt in every game (and possibly in-game) - it must be a nightmare as an Arsenal footballer.
It’s a bit of a moot point because it’s not exactly a choice. Liverpool & City are both domineering physically & technical, and that’s who they’re trying to compete with. Being technical alone isn’t enough anymore. There are too many tall, physical, technically brilliant players nowadays. The profile of Ruud Gullits are a dime a dozen now - something I never thought I’d say. ALL of these things are true of the big 2 as well, and the rest of us noticed this years ago Carra. Not months 😅
Do people not consider the fixtures arsenal have had before stat break downs. They have played Liverpool, aston Villa, Newcastle, Manchester City, and Tottenham, not to mention the 3 red cards are going to have them playing more defensive . Also had bad injuries
this is nonsense. pep bought ridiculously tall and strong players in man city. Man city have one of the tallest squads in the league. He had to as its a physical league. Arteta is doing the exact same thing. He is not morphing into mourinho.
Another thing which could also be said is that this is not really a 'Mourinho Approach' per se, rather an 'Arsenal Approach' from the era of George Graham and early Arsene Wenger. Arsenal traditionally were 'big and strong': Adams, Bold, Davis, O'Leary, Smith, Rocastle, Anderson, Caesar, Caton, Mariner, Lukic, Keown etc. Come on now, Arsenal were always "strong and powerful". Wimbledon were closely behind them. I think people are forgetting Arsenal's heritage.
What a load of nonsense. Especially those skewed stats. Arsenal have played Villa, City, Spurs (away) and Liverpool so far. Plus had 3 games with 10 men so of course the chance creation is gonna go down 🤦♂
What about Newcastle, what about Bournemouth..as a team looking to win the league those performances was terrible…considering you was a strong attacking team last year
@@rezlaso2742 bournemouth were bullying you before the red card stop blaming that particular red card. Against City you were good 11 vs 11 but bournemouth no
Mourinho's sides average around 50-60 league goals a season. Arsenal have managed 91 and 88 in the last two seasons. How exactly are Arsenal similar to a Mourinho team?
Jamies comparison of Arteta to Mourinho is provocative to Arsenals fans, even if he says its not a criticism. I think Mikel has built an Arsenal team that is adaptive and can win in many different ways. However, this season ,so far, they have opted for a more defensive style of play. Time will tell whether this is a temporary style of play or this is a long term style. This is the same Arsenal team who scored 91 goals in the PL last season, its highest ever goal tally and second highest in the league in 23/24 also beating teams 5-0 x 4 and 6-0 x 2, so this is clearly a team capable of scoring goals.
Another thing which could also be said is that this is not really a 'Mourinho Approach' per se, rather an 'Arsenal Approach' from the era of George Graham and early Arsene Wenger. Arsenal traditionally were 'big and strong': Adams, Bold, Davis, O'Leary, Smith, Rocastle, Anderson, Caesar, Caton, Mariner, Lukic, Keown etc. Come on now, Arsenal were always "strong and powerful". Wimbledon were closely behind them. I think people are forgetting Arsenal's heritage.
@@Yesglobal- "TURNING" you said ?? just because arteta change his tactic in small sample 10 match since odegaard get injured then immediately you said "turning" ?? while arsenal playing attacking when odegaard on the pitch before get injured, i also can say arne slot turning become jose when playing defensively against chelsea in second half at anfield , so no wonder you have minus football knowledge infact we only play defensive like this since odegaard injured before that and last 2 season we play attacking football , so this situation more like arteta just made WRONG TACTIC since odegaard get injured, he should keep our style like last 2 season and replace odegaard with ethan nwaneri at number 10 which when odegaard back to the pitch then arsenal will play same style attacking football like last 2 season, that is it
I dont know why people keep saying arsenal havent won trophies, Arteta won the FA cup in his first season. Its interesting how everyone is just rewriting history to fit the narrative. football fans are so gullible. ive been a huge arsenal critic for awile but they drop a few points and everyone is ready to sack arteta and blow up the entire project.. calm down.
Without Odegaard theyve had to change tactics. Noone can replace him. When KDB is out for City they have Bernardo, Gundogan, Foden etc to fill his role.
It's not an impossibility to be both attacking with technical ability and physically dominating simultaneously. Thierry Henry was 6 foot 2. Why do people think consider them chalk and cheese?
Football is such a simple game made complicated by idiots. It’s never needed such in depth analysis by “experts”. Pointless statistics that mean nothing. Just enjoy the game - it’s absolutely phenomenal and all of this isn’t necessary. ✌️⚽️
I think Artetas intention is to morph the Pep /Mourinho philosophy into one. He wants to adapt his tactics to the conditions of each season. But it’s risky because it can either work or it cannot. It might become a situation where he realises that you need to commit to one philosophy completely instead. Who knows? But I can see what he’s trying to do.
Well done jamie carragher you noticed arsenal are good defensively and reached the conclusion arteta is similar to mourinho because mourinho had a good defence. Brilliant analysis, you're clearly a genius
Well done Apple No Nuts for mugging yourself off again by 1) Believing a Scouser who absolutely despises the bottlers and 2) By being far more stupid than i thought in thinking your 1 FA Cup in 5 years after spending a billion euros cone layer is anyway similar to UCL and multiple major trophy winner Jose Mourinho Comedy Gold
When the facts don’t entirely match your narrative, just make it up: Chelsea-era Havertz was lauded for his deft touch but criticised for not being physical enough. Now he’s suddenly “not silky” and a big physical brute. Timber came from the Ajax academy where players are trained to play in any position, and he’s recently been covering for Zinchenko at left-back, literally inverting into midfield, but Caragher’s analysis is that Timber “doesn’t go into midfield like Zinchenko” 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Makes me laugh how Jamie said Havertz isn’t a silky player and how timber isn’t as good on the ball as Zinchenko. Timber is better on the ball than Zinchenko and Havertz is a super silky player
That's a mindless and subtle way of criticizing Arsenal. They were only defensive in matches they were 1 man down. They kept on attacking City until they got a red card, They played PSG out of the park. Is it not a shame that no former English international is a reputable manager. They're all armchair critics onTV who no nothing about formations and tactics. Lampard, Neville, Rooney, Gerard, all mediocre. Instead you have former players of German, Dutch, French and Spanish doing well as managers.
Jamie gets it right mostly, but comparing arsenal and arteta to Jose is insult, Jose is football legend. Arsenal and Arteta havent done anything significant thing yet
Jamie's assessment of Havertz timber and Calafiori, as in what they are known for couldn't be more wrong. The issue is simple, too many attackers left and didn't replace them and the key creative player in Odegaard got injured. Arsenal need it sign a creative player or change the structure of the attack.
His logic was funny at one point. He said Arteta thinks they don't have the same attacking prowess as City, so he signs defenders to try and win another way. Why not sign better attackers if that was the case?
Playing like a Mourinho team is not just being defensive. It's a set of principles and footballing philosophy. You can call Mikel Arteta defensive which is true to certain extent but he is not like Mourinho, Arteta is from the school Guardiola (positionalism) you would know this if you watched how Arsenal and city play.
yeh, a philosophy to use the dark arts - and grind out boring low scoring wins with minimal risk to your own goal, which is exactly what we're seeing...
@@DanielS10291 @joshuakithyoma9575 comments from idiots like you two are the reason why England have to import managers from abroad, the level of football knowledge in this country is so diabolical and it will remain this way with their dogshit media pundits like Jamie Carragher.
Burst out laughing when Jamie set up to say that the difference between Arteta and Mourinho was…. and “win trophies” pops up in the screen 😂
I expected laughter there too, TBH Arsenal did win the FA Cup under MA
you can't just say that and not give us a timestamp
People forget how long he's been a manager
@@CollideWithTheSlope 5:15
@@mediacenterman8583 so did ten hag and other managers who were sacked
"Perception is one thing. Reality is another. I give you an example
La liga 2011 2012 .
Champions. Real Madrid. 100 points 121 goals.
Most goals scored In the history of Spanish football at the time. Most wins. Most points ever. 9 points ahead of the greatest barcelona ever
Manager . The "defensive "Jose mourinho
Premier league 2014 2015
Chelsea wins it with the first half of the season full of 3 or 4 goals every game
Manager . The "defensive " Jose mourinho
There's a misconception on my career "
Mourinho as a sky pundit
watching both those teams they were defensive and counter attacking.
thats not up for debate.
@@NeilLewis77 Madrid was only counter attacking playing against Barcelona
And that chelsea team was basically playing like city now . Oscar . Costa . Hazard and fabregas played amazing attacking football. Only in the last couple of months they scrapped hard fought wins
@@NeilLewis77 Do you call Ancelotti's team, who last won the CL a defensive team?
He wasn’t a defensive manager, it’s just that parking the bus is a tactic that he uses.
He tried to be attacking and defensive when the time requires it.
Also what other manager can smash united at old Trafford 6-1 WITH SPURS? 😂
Arteta is not Mourinho. Mourinho set up to win, Arteta sets up (In recent times) not to lose. Big difference.
That is true
Not the brightest lad old Carra.
0:56 Whoever came up with this confusing table needs to be criticised more than Arteta. Why not sort it in a fixed format of “rank” followed by “last/this season” on both sides?
I thought it was just me
So true
Skysports have the most laziest and ignorant pundits in football.
i can read it just fine, agree its a bit weird but come on..
Its AWFUL😂😅
Jamie makes a strong case. I'm not happy with the evolution. We reached a brilliant balance end of last season where we were rock solid defensively but still could score plenty of goals. Sadly, due to his overreaction to Odegard's loss, Arteta has veered to a defensive extreme which does not suit our players or usual style.
Another thing which could also be said is that this is not really a 'Mourinho Approach' per se, rather an 'Arsenal Approach' from the era of George Graham and early Arsene Wenger. Arsenal traditionally were 'big and strong': Adams, Bold, Davis, O'Leary, Smith, Rocastle, Anderson, Caesar, Caton, Mariner, Lukic, Keown etc. Come on now, Arsenal were always "strong and powerful". Wimbledon were closely behind them. I think people are forgetting Arsenal's heritage.
People forget he spent many years under Moyes at Everton ..
HAVERTZ is his version of Fellaini 😂
this is not evolution because we only play defensive like this since odegaard injured and last 2 season we play attacking football, so this situation more like arteta just made wrong tactic since odegaard get injured, he should keep our style like last 2 season and replace odegaard with ethan nwaneri at number 10, that is it
I'm a Liverpool supporter and watching the match on Saturday I couldn't believe Arteta brought on Zinchenko and Ben White when he had Sterling and other attackers on the bench🤦🏾♂️
As a Gooner, I felt the same. I don't feel Sterling has had enough opportunity to prove himself.
Ben white and Zinchenko to establish control. Sterling was the last last resort unfortunately.
@@alexbelotti1603 control, when youre losing..?
Exactly 👍🏽 what was the point of signing him.
@@tusharimdad9595surely Zinchenko has to given opportunity to play.
Left back or even in midfield.
Why Partez as right back 😂
Odegaard missing is killing them he’s the heart of this team
Arsenal have won nothing with Missing Ghostagaard in the team so you're missing nothing with him out of it
@@BrianConlon-ng5bw football its not about one man, you have to understand that kid and odegaard can play like world class on the pitch but if defender made mistake like blunder then arsenal still will dropped point, you understand kid??😝😝
@luthfan9395 Are you going to the Inter game tomorrow plastic or are you still struggling to find a babysitter for your new 12 yo stepdad? 😅
@@BrianConlon-ng5bw this escalated quickly 😂😂
For me Arteta has gone away from what made this Arsenal team tick. He's become obsessed with duels and the defence. Completely neglecting the attack.
Think it’s understandable they’re relying more on the defence cause the attack as a collective aren’t very clinical and now they’re without Odegaard creating less chances making the chances less they’re gonna score. Marfinelli, Jesus, Havertz, Saka, Trossard are players that weren’t gonna leave the past summer so it feels he’s had to back that attack and not have much investment put into it and only have to make do with Sterling. Nico Williams, Sesko looked like they were targets but they were unavailable. Even them though you can’t bank on being gunmen, that’s part of the problem with the market recently. There hasn’t been a lot of guarantee with attackers.
Another thing which could also be said is that this is not really a 'Mourinho Approach' per se, rather an 'Arsenal Approach' from the era of George Graham and early Arsene Wenger. Arsenal traditionally were 'big and strong': Adams, Bold, Davis, O'Leary, Smith, Rocastle, Anderson, Caesar, Caton, Mariner, Lukic, Keown etc. Come on now, Arsenal were always "strong and powerful". Wimbledon were closely behind them. I think people are forgetting Arsenal's heritage.
@@pauladdae3130 🗣️💯🎯All before Mourinho
@@pauladdae3130- spot on amd well said
Disgaree very much
Arsenal with Calafiori, Timber as fullbacks looked really threatening but with injuries Arteta had to rely on defence and set pieces.
Merino hasn't integrated in the team fully.
Even with all that Arsenal are still a great pressing team they don't back off unless reduced to 10 men or they already have a lead. Against Man City Arsenal were pressing them very high. Same with Liverpool if Arsenal were playing like a Mourinho team they wouldn't be conceding the late goal they conceded against Liverpool by pressing them so high in the 81st minute.
If Mikel doesn't have the attacking quality that Manchester City have, what stopped him from signing it ?!! A striker like Toney should have never been allowed to go Saudi league, Isak to Newcastle and Solanke to Spurs
Osimhen to Galatasaray En Nesyri to Fenerbace Gyokeres is at Sporting there are many great 9s not at too clubs and Arsenal lacking
Toney isn’t an upgrade
Doesnt matter who plays the no9 if they dont create chances, the problem is they need an alternative to odegaard.
Arsenal squad:
DM: Partey, Rice, Merino, Jorginho
LB: Zinchenko, Calafiori, Tierney, Timber
AM: Odegaard.
Players sold: Smith-Rowe, Nketiah, Nelson
When Arsenal spend their money on defensive players and sell their attackers how’s that City’s problem.
Arsenal l
@@yester9037they sold almost all their players who can deputize for Odegaard
Jose First 5 seasons:
2002-03 (Porto): Primeira Liga, Taça de Portugal ,UEFA Cup
2003-04 (Porto): Primeira Liga, Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira, UEFA Champions League
2004-05 (Chelsea): Premier League, League Cup
2005-06 (Chelsea): Premier League, FA Cup ,Community Shield
2006-07 (Chelsea): Premier League, League Cup
Arteta First 5 Seasons:
FA Cup
2x 8th place finishes
1x Bottled Top 4
1x Bottled Title
1x Community Shield
Correction.... 05/06 Premier League and 06/07 FA Cup and League Cup
He's comparing play styles, not trophies 😅
Dont even put 'bottle' Arsenal fans will think thats a trophy 🤣🤣🤣
Not to mention Inter
@@NoOne-ks8tuWell they’ve collected a few of those bottles. They’ve just gotta spray em silver n give em a polish!! 😂😂😂
After 15 years of circus type defending this is music to my ears! Thank you Mikel!
Yes thank you for bottling the league twice and a fa cup in 6 years
@MC-uv7on Oh no Arteta didn't win his first 2 attempts at a beating Pep City to a title only 4 seasons into his career
You've conceded 11 goals , the same as Man United 😂 Banter club
@@joshuakithyoma9575 cherry picks stats , LOL, manutd compete for relegation while arsenal nowhere near close compete for relegation😝😝
@@luthfan9395Man United are literally 3 points behind you...
Forgot about Jorginho, Trossard and Kiwior signings. We had signed the technicians, then we brought in the strength. Not signing an attacking player this summer was a big mistake though
Even forgot about Partey
Jose won a couple of trophies at a declining Man Utd-League Cup and Europa League in 2016/17. Arteta has bottled 2 consecutive title challenges.
Arsenal weren’t expected to be in a title challenge the first year to be fair
And got sacked. Man United being a midtable club winning a carling cup means nothing
jose also won no ucls with the chelsea and real madrid superteams
@@dordevukmanbut he built a dominant inter side and won a treble and won a UCL with Porto so nobody can question his ability to win it, pep didn’t win it with Bayern it means nothing. Clough won 2 with Notts forest but struggled massively years earlier at Leeds who were much bigger at the time sometimes it’s about the chemistry of the team and the players at the managers disposal suiting the tactical style of play.
@@alexbelotti1603 came 2nd in the league with him mate, sort yourself out you mess
"Win Trophies" the build up and the delivery is hilarious
2:54 Timber came from Ajax and was specifically known as a ball playing defender from that Dutch style. He’s just also a good defender unlike Zinchenko
More like morphing into Tony Pulis team without long throw
This is better analysis than Cara 😅
Like its something bad. Jose unbeaten 9 years in leagues. Respect. Respect....
Jose hasnt had a good league cmpaign for 9 seasons yes.
Modern management basically means you get burned out by the time you hit mid fifties
He didn’t say it was something bad🤦♂️
Did you even watch the video?
@@NeilLewis77
Neither does Arteta lol
Let me know when Arterta wins a leugue title 🤷🏾♂️
Just need to clarify guys. This isn’t criticism, it’s analysis right???
😂
He clearly didn’t say it enough based on some of these people misquoting in the comments 🤣
Even if it is analysis, it is completely incorrect.
@@90jimmychooyes they're wrong.Arsenal are the best team in the world.What do they know.
What's he wrong about?@@90jimmychoo
"Win trophies" lol good one
I think Jamie has it a bit skewed about Jose and Arteta, Berbatov was more on point with Arteta:
If you look at the signings Pep has made since 18 - 24, you'll notice the signings are taller and bigger in size while still retaining the technical treshhold from years past.
Arteta is practically doing the same. The only difference is the versatility aspect and unpredictable aspect. Arteta is looking to create a team that primarily plays silky football but uses physicality, speed and height as it means to regain possession or control in gamestates (e.g. long ball, duels, quick throw-ins, counter attacks). If you're facing a team that can only uses possesion and height then you deal with 2 problems. If you're facing a team can play on the ground, uses height, on the counter, long balls, slow the game down, then you're dealing with an unpredictable team that can do anything.
Jose on the otherhand will use any style to win, as long as it gets him the win. Whereas Arteta uses any style that will eventually give him the "control" he wants, that eventually gets him the win. The problem arteta is having now is that he's having injuries to key players that help enforce his "possession" style, so its making his team look a tad awkward with the ball
So what you now have is a team that is aerially great, can defend but missing creativity. Jamie thinks this is intentional hence why he's calling it jose. Its not intentional
He’s got one injury, quit with this injury crisis narrative.
@@Youafool500 he's had odegaard missing and then was missing timber, califiouri, white, saka for a period and then add in the games where they've had to play with 10 men which lead to more unfit players. People are forgetting that part when talking about recent results
@@Youafool500Ødegaard, Jesus, Merino, White, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu, Saka, Calafriori, Gabriel + Trossard, Saliba and Rice suspensions.
Good analysis 👍
The edits are so clean, loved it!
"wins trophies" is hilarious 😂
Ødegaard being injured hurts the creativity numbers
Who cares, if your entire team crumbles because of one player then you don't deserve to win anything.
@@lawrencebaker1811when have arsenal crumbled? Did Man City crumble by losing to Tottenham then Bournemouth?
@@alexbelotti1603maybe a bit of a stretch but are you seriously not going to acknowledge the blatant drop off from when they had him in the team…?
Odegard is arsenals best player. Not saka or rice. Been saying that for years. Now it’s proven. Coming from a spurs fan.
One thing Jamie forgot to highlight is that Mourinho’s best teams were set up for the counter attacks and were extremely efficient at it. Even when he was Spurs he got Kane and Son to fire away on counters
As an Arsenal fan, I think Carra Is spot on here. Backed by solid data and evidence. He's not like Neville who just throws out crazy statements for effect - Carra actually does his homework to back up his points.
What does this myth with phisicality of Mourinho teams mean actually? In his second spell Hazard and Oscar ran the show at Chelsea, at Inter it was Milito, Eto'o, Sneijder, Pandev, etc. I think it is kind of a misleading point.
Chelsea had drogba, ballack, ivanavic Garry Cahill John terry John obi Mikel ,Essien, inter had Adriano, ibrahimavic, matterazzi, Lucio even eto was 6 ft and rapid!
Yea I mean you named the few creative attacking forces in the teams. Mourinho always loved consistency and stability, look at what he did when he took over Porto. Obviously he wasn't building a team entirely out of behemoths, but he did love having defensively sound, hard to beat, fighting teams.
I get why fans see what Jamie said as a criticism, as every fan loves the idea of their team playing football like prime Barcalona, but it's not. If Jamie said he's turning into a Sean Dyche, yea, I get the criticism 😂
Jose had a good defensive foundation at Inter. Cordoba, Materazzi, Lucio, Cambiasso, Motta, Zanetti, Lucio, Samuel, etc. They had warriors. Same at Chelsea, despite what they had in the last third
Mourinho took route one football to it's peak , he can win with counters , possession , set pieces without conceding...He has the best defensive record with 15 goals in a whole season ffs😂 he is what all pragmatic coaches dream of , but he mixes it with flair and intelligence , not just brute force .He is a well balanced manager , only problem with him is he never stays at a club longer than two years
Best pundit in the game
Netflix FC pressure is increasing 😂😂😂🤣😂
Another thing which could also be said is that this is not really a 'Mourinho Approach' per se, rather an 'Arsenal Approach' from the era of George Graham and early Arsene Wenger. Arsenal traditionally were 'big and strong': Adams, Bold, Davis, O'Leary, Smith, Rocastle, Anderson, Caesar, Caton, Mariner, Lukic, Keown etc. Come on now, Arsenal were always "strong and powerful". Wimbledon were closely behind them. I think people are forgetting Arsenal's heritage.
The fact that Carra has felt the need to justify it because of crying Arsenal fans shows how unintelligent that fanbase is. Sometimes you don’t need stats to make a statement, some things are clearly visible to the eye. The fact Arsenal fans have taken it as an insult is because of their fragile egos. Mourinho was successful, unlike Arsenal yet, so if anyone should be upset, it should be Mourinho
Maybe Jose would say that Arsenal's fans are also specialists in failure.
Carragher tried to defend his words and failed. Comparing Arteta to Mourinho this season based “ on stats” is lazy considering the circumstances arsenal have played under this season. He was calling Arteta pep Guardiola last season 🙃🙃🙃🙃
God, TH-cam comments are just the worst
@@alexbelotti1603 Let the 🤡 in the comments trolling lap it up though like little 🐑
It’s because they don’t respect Mourinho bcs of his fights with Wenger. That guy is the goat … one of the best managers ever. Being compared to him isn’t a disgrace
Jose Mourinho is football heritage.
I’m an arsenal fan and this is fantastic analysis by Carragher no lies told 😂😂😂
The goodness with carragher is always he comes with stats and he is always humble unlike gary neville.
Comparing a 38 game season to 10 games. The state of these lot 😂😂
And multiple injuries and suspensions 10 games out of 38 🪖 helmets
@@joe7397Every club has injuries and suspensions, this narrative is so boring from Arsenal fans, you'll be lucky to get top 4
@@lewiseverett2588 other top teams have had as many injuries and suspensions as we’ve had to start the season ? Lucky to get top 4 🤣 Behave yourself
Me and Mourinho have set the standard for coaching. Arteta has taken from our style of play and tactics, he will see the results soon no doubt.
Who are you lil bro??
Which won’t win. Because Mourinho style football doesn’t work anymore
to be fair to Arsenal they've had 3 red cards so far this season, played some tough fixtures with alot of injuries at such an early stage of the season so the stats could be deceiving.
This is such a rubbish take. Why does this manager have to always be compared in approach. He just tries to adapt to each team he plays and sometimes we go on bad runs. He isn’t Jose and he isn’t pep.
This isn't a criticism, just analysis: Arsenal are shite
But Jamie is right though Arsenal have been more defensively minded this season even without the red cards it's not a criticism Jose was a brilliant manager who won trophies how can you be angry at Arteta being compared to a brilliant manager Arsenal are honestly the most negative and deluded fan base in the prem
Oh we know he isn't Jose or Pep coz those two are serial winners unlike Arteta
He is Moyes 😂 you are right ...He's not Pep though he tried and he is not Mourinho , the trophies show that too ...But he is David Moyes and Havertz is his version of Fellaini 😂
@@YTykhExactly 😂
Odegaard is injured. He’s the creative hub of the team. Some players just can’t be replicated
I get it but everyone has injuries mate thats not a excuse
Two years ago it was that you were still building. Last year it was injuries. This year it is red cards and Odegard.
Is there ever a time when Arsenal don't make a delusional pathetic excuse for losing? This is the mindset of losers.
The last thing Arsenal actually won was one FA cup against Lampard 5 years ago with the old Team inherited from Emery and two time 'top at Christmas' trophy. Even The horrendous Ten Hag won more in 2 years with Jonny Evans and Amribat at the tragic Man United.
For the last few years, when Arsenal bottled the league every season, Arsenal fans have comforted themselves saying that they have been "building something special". Of course, we all laughed.
Now, even when Man City have many key players injured and out of form, dropping points, Arsenal have found a way to still be 7 points behind, 5th place, only 10 games in. The last time a team won from such a position they invented the Euro and Simon Cowell was pitching Pop Idol series 1.
Apparently he's as good as Dennis Bergkamp😂😂😂
@@SmolenskiPrince im not even an arsenal face you lil degenerate. Ijust stated the most obvious reason why their style of play and goal return has changed. get a life
Y'all remember how Tim Cahill was school Roy Keane about this same Arteta back in 2020 or so about, this may sound offensive and i apologize but English people way of seeing football is outdated.
This is why you don't see top English coaches in big clubs doing wonders like the rest of Europe does.
On Mikel Arteta, he's doing this thing where they start slow but finish strong like they did last season when they returned from Dubai's break, same goes for pep, they'll experiment at the beginning of the season with the tactics till they get the right set up or pattern to win consistently, y'all remember how Arsenal was scoring loads of goals during the second round of the season.
This is why he is the goat pundit!! Jamie always talks facts and fairness at that
Havertz, merino, calafiori are all technically gifted players. Havertz isn’t exactly a lump up to him guy is he. Even timbers good on the ball. I think the 3 games with 10 men and losing Odegaard has made us lose confidence to play out. Against Liverpool are football was good until the injuries.
If you're technically gifted then controlling the ball and holding it up for the midfielders shouldn't be a problem.
@@Cymru85 odegaars has capability like u said and also ethan nwaneri 17yo but arteta did not want play him, if arteta play ethan then he can keep his style attacking football like last 2 season even when odegaard get injured, this is just wrong tactic and wrong decision by arteta not morphing into jose
@@luthfan9395 arteta has become Jose.
They were good to watch 2 seasons ago but now they are boring.
@@Cymru85 when odegaard come back to the pitch arsenal will play attacking football again even this season arsenal play attacking football before odegaard get injured, so whole your argument useless when you said "arteta has become Jose." .
@@luthfan9395 it'll be too late by then
As a Liverpool fan. I have to admit. Arsenal are stacked with good players. Players like Partey, Sterling, Jesus, Jorgino are proven winners yet Arteta doesnt play them all at the same match. He is not taking advantage of their individual style and experience.
Nahh all those players except partey are bums
I think arsenal reached their peak last season since their last epl. All downhill from here for a few years at least
It’s a long season. If u can defend well and use less energy to get results then I think it’s brilliant from them. Not entertaining but still brilliant
"Strong defensively, height & strength, set piece reliance, direct style, win trophies."
Apart from winning trophies perhaps, those are the traits we often associate with mid to low table PL team. If anything, Carragher's analysis is an indication of how Arteta is approaching the whole PL, not City alone. Most teams in the league now are adept at retaining the ball, capable of escaping pressure and build up from the back, and they will only get better (which we can argue that Pep's successes were in many ways down to his anticipation of exactly that, but what separated him from Klopp and Arteta or any other top 6 manager was that he saw it much earlier).
We can see now City, Arsenal & Liverpool are not seeing as much of the ball as they had done in previous seasons.
In any case, I agree with Carragher that being a 'Mourinho' team is not a criticism. It is simply pragmatism on the part of Arteta. Why should that be criticised? Perhaps the discussion should be whether or not pragmatism is what Arsenal need now to win the league, or if they do or do not have what it takes to adopt said pragmatism.
we only play defensive like this since odegaard injured and last 2 season we play attacking football, so this situation more like arteta just made WRONG TACTIC since odegaard get injured, he should keep our style like last 2 season and replace odegaard with ethan nwaneri at number 10, when odegaard back to the pitch we will play attacking football like last 2 season, that is it
But we aren’t strong defensively or win trophies we are more like pulis than mourinho
EXACTLY , David Moyes is his father figure ...Horrible football is in his DNA mixed with winning nothing
@@joshuakithyoma9575 moyes never title race 2 season in row for compete with mancheater city and won fa cup like arteta did more like moyes totally failed at manutd let alone compete title race, so LET ALONE arteta become like TONY PULIS, you kid
Great bants from the show’s editors/social managers - this is sure to rile up the goons! Comparing their side with a Jose side! Only difference is the obvious one!!! Jose’s a winner…..or at least was!!
We’ve literally got 1 creative midfielder in the whole squad (apart from a 17 year old nwaneri) and people expect us to play the style of football we’ve played for the last 2 seasons without him? 😂
At the same time though, no one asked arteta to play trossard in the number 10 and change the whole system to pretty much a 442 at times so it is his own fault. Nwaneri should’ve been starting in odegaard absence
Stop making excuses, u sold Smith Rowe to buy a CDM/Box to box in Merino
@ so you think merino is going to play ahead of odegaard?
Liverpool won a champions league and a premier league without even having a creative midfielder
@@mattdavies2736 Who said ahead?? The point is having a squad and depth??? And you literally replaced attackers with defensive players and then cry when u cant score or win games.
@@kevalshah4097 and did you not see me say that it’s artetas fault. I’m just speaking on the current situation and those are the facts. The fact people are saying he’s morphing into a Jose mourinho style manager is just funny to me
I understand Carragher is giving his opinion but sometimes I’m disappointed when I hear former players say the darnest of things. I expect more a intelligent analysis of the game, and fans should be able to learn something new.
Being pragmatic is part of the game. Carragher played under Benitez who was a pragmatist. I would assume he should know that it is needed especially you don’t have the best team.
Brilliant analysis
Should have added ‘constant sh|t-housing’ to the list of similarities, Jamie.
Except Mourinho knew how to win leagues. Don't compare Arteta to him until he actually wins a league or UCL.
tbh Carragher *did* mention that in this video 5:14
its about the style of play. not that hard to understand
Watch the video and listen to him before commenting nonsense.
Yes don't compare mourinho to arteta. 1 is managing 1 of the best teams in the best league in the world and the other manages fenerbahce
These statistics show that we've played 3 games with 10 men. Two of those were for more than 45 minutes.
Berbatov is basically hit the nail on the head here. I dont personally think this is a Mourinho style. Its Arteta trying to be everything all at once: strong defensively, but also with high levels of possession and high press attacking. The problem is you need to constantly change and adapt in every game (and possibly in-game) - it must be a nightmare as an Arsenal footballer.
It’s a bit of a moot point because it’s not exactly a choice. Liverpool & City are both domineering physically & technical, and that’s who they’re trying to compete with. Being technical alone isn’t enough anymore. There are too many tall, physical, technically brilliant players nowadays. The profile of Ruud Gullits are a dime a dozen now - something I never thought I’d say.
ALL of these things are true of the big 2 as well, and the rest of us noticed this years ago Carra. Not months 😅
Them 2 teams both prioritise quality tho
I hope people realize now that Ødegaard Is Arsenals most important and best player.
442, everyone over 6 foot - that's Arsene Wenger
As long as they don't win anything again, that's all that matters. Insufferable manager and fans.
Amen
@@lawrencebaker1811don’t use a prayer context in football again.
Arteta is one of the most genuine managers in the league but English people like you hate confident people
@@alexbelotti1603 give it a break. it's literally not an issue
@@dead_r33dpeople who aren’t a follower of the blessed lord using amen in the wrong context unfortunately
Do people not consider the fixtures arsenal have had before stat break downs. They have played Liverpool, aston Villa, Newcastle, Manchester City, and Tottenham, not to mention the 3 red cards are going to have them playing more defensive . Also had bad injuries
this is nonsense. pep bought ridiculously tall and strong players in man city. Man city have one of the tallest squads in the league. He had to as its a physical league. Arteta is doing the exact same thing. He is not morphing into mourinho.
No they don't. Bernardo, Gundogan, foden, savinho, doku, ake, Lewis etc.. these are all very short players.
Another thing which could also be said is that this is not really a 'Mourinho Approach' per se, rather an 'Arsenal Approach' from the era of George Graham and early Arsene Wenger. Arsenal traditionally were 'big and strong': Adams, Bold, Davis, O'Leary, Smith, Rocastle, Anderson, Caesar, Caton, Mariner, Lukic, Keown etc. Come on now, Arsenal were always "strong and powerful". Wimbledon were closely behind them. I think people are forgetting Arsenal's heritage.
What a load of nonsense. Especially those skewed stats. Arsenal have played Villa, City, Spurs (away) and Liverpool so far. Plus had 3 games with 10 men so of course the chance creation is gonna go down 🤦♂
What about Newcastle, what about Bournemouth..as a team looking to win the league those performances was terrible…considering you was a strong attacking team last year
@@Liveyourlifekilly2 bad games and everyone is going into a meltdown 😂
@@LiveyourlifekillyBournemouth 10 men also but Newcastle fair do
@@rezlaso2742 bournemouth were bullying you before the red card stop blaming that particular red card. Against City you were good 11 vs 11 but bournemouth no
Mourinho's sides average around 50-60 league goals a season. Arsenal have managed 91 and 88 in the last two seasons.
How exactly are Arsenal similar to a Mourinho team?
Jamies comparison of Arteta to Mourinho is provocative to Arsenals fans, even if he says its not a criticism. I think Mikel has built an Arsenal team that is adaptive and can win in many different ways. However, this season ,so far, they have opted for a more defensive style of play. Time will tell whether this is a temporary style of play or this is a long term style. This is the same Arsenal team who scored 91 goals in the PL last season, its highest ever goal tally and second highest in the league in 23/24 also beating teams 5-0 x 4 and 6-0 x 2, so this is clearly a team capable of scoring goals.
All these bloody stats. We just need a top quality striker and have needed one for the past 2 years now.
Wow berbatov is massive. Didnt know hes that huge
Turning into stoke set piece fc
Been calling Arteta "Poundland Pulis" for a while now, good to see others get it lol.
Good to see my favorite Bulgarian prince Dimitar Berbatov.. i wish him the best in life
He is genuinely right and luckily have the balls to say it
Arsenal are turning into a mourinho/allegri team and mentality
These types of comments will age so terribly in February/march. You’ll be calling him a btec pep in no time again 😉
@alexbelotti1603 i stopped watching arsenal since atalanta arsenal.
I know arteta is the new allegri and that's why
Another thing which could also be said is that this is not really a 'Mourinho Approach' per se, rather an 'Arsenal Approach' from the era of George Graham and early Arsene Wenger. Arsenal traditionally were 'big and strong': Adams, Bold, Davis, O'Leary, Smith, Rocastle, Anderson, Caesar, Caton, Mariner, Lukic, Keown etc. Come on now, Arsenal were always "strong and powerful". Wimbledon were closely behind them. I think people are forgetting Arsenal's heritage.
@@Yesglobal- "TURNING" you said ?? just because arteta change his tactic in small sample 10 match since odegaard get injured then immediately you said "turning" ?? while arsenal playing attacking when odegaard on the pitch before get injured, i also can say arne slot turning become jose when playing defensively against chelsea in second half at anfield , so no wonder you have minus football knowledge
infact we only play defensive like this since odegaard injured before that and last 2 season we play attacking football , so this situation more like arteta just made WRONG TACTIC since odegaard get injured, he should keep our style like last 2 season and replace odegaard with ethan nwaneri at number 10 which when odegaard back to the pitch then arsenal will play same style attacking football like last 2 season, that is it
“Slot is closer to Mourinho than Klopp” Liverpool are certainly more defensive than before - relying on counterattacks in home games against Villa…
Havertz a physical player? Not naturally, Arteta is actively getting him to play that role for the.
I dont know why people keep saying arsenal havent won trophies, Arteta won the FA cup in his first season. Its interesting how everyone is just rewriting history to fit the narrative. football fans are so gullible. ive been a huge arsenal critic for awile but they drop a few points and everyone is ready to sack arteta and blow up the entire project.. calm down.
Without Odegaard theyve had to change tactics. Noone can replace him. When KDB is out for City they have Bernardo, Gundogan, Foden etc to fill his role.
It's not an impossibility to be both attacking with technical ability and physically dominating simultaneously. Thierry Henry was 6 foot 2. Why do people think consider them chalk and cheese?
because we know what we're watching
Hated. Adored. Never Ignored.
You’re insanely skilled, don't stop making stuff like this!
Arteta = allegri = mourinho = conte = simeone
Impossible to explain it more sample than this
Football is such a simple game made complicated by idiots. It’s never needed such in depth analysis by “experts”. Pointless statistics that mean nothing. Just enjoy the game - it’s absolutely phenomenal and all of this isn’t necessary. ✌️⚽️
Being compare to one of the top 3 or 4 managers of all time is hardly an L
the fact that they played most of 2 games with a man down can skew the stats. You get less chances and play longer passes when you are a man down.
I think Artetas intention is to morph the Pep /Mourinho philosophy into one. He wants to adapt his tactics to the conditions of each season.
But it’s risky because it can either work or it cannot. It might become a situation where he realises that you need to commit to one philosophy completely instead. Who knows? But I can see what he’s trying to do.
Basically arsenal have become a bunch of long ball bus parkers, and it's not going very well
Well done jamie carragher you noticed arsenal are good defensively and reached the conclusion arteta is similar to mourinho because mourinho had a good defence. Brilliant analysis, you're clearly a genius
Well done Apple No Nuts for mugging yourself off again by 1) Believing a Scouser who absolutely despises the bottlers and 2) By being far more stupid than i thought in thinking your 1 FA Cup in 5 years after spending a billion euros cone layer is anyway similar to UCL and multiple major trophy winner Jose Mourinho
Comedy Gold
What made arsenal good was a good style aggressive play high tempo arteta had changed it and now it’s back fired
When the facts don’t entirely match your narrative, just make it up:
Chelsea-era Havertz was lauded for his deft touch but criticised for not being physical enough. Now he’s suddenly “not silky” and a big physical brute. Timber came from the Ajax academy where players are trained to play in any position, and he’s recently been covering for Zinchenko at left-back, literally inverting into midfield, but Caragher’s analysis is that Timber “doesn’t go into midfield like Zinchenko” 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Didn’t include the Trossard or Jorginho signings either, but they obviously wouldn’t have fit the narrative as nicely.
The injuries have very little to do with the current drop in form...There is something going on in the background. The stability is not there.
Makes me laugh how Jamie said Havertz isn’t a silky player and how timber isn’t as good on the ball as Zinchenko. Timber is better on the ball than Zinchenko and Havertz is a super silky player
He’s not done bad at all for his first job in management how did your mate Gary do 😮
That's a mindless and subtle way of criticizing Arsenal. They were only defensive in matches they were 1 man down. They kept on attacking City until they got a red card, They played PSG out of the park. Is it not a shame that no former English international is a reputable manager. They're all armchair critics onTV who no nothing about formations and tactics. Lampard, Neville, Rooney, Gerard, all mediocre. Instead you have former players of German, Dutch, French and Spanish doing well as managers.
Jamie gets it right mostly, but comparing arsenal and arteta to Jose is insult, Jose is football legend. Arsenal and Arteta havent done anything significant thing yet
Jamie's assessment of Havertz timber and Calafiori, as in what they are known for couldn't be more wrong.
The issue is simple, too many attackers left and didn't replace them and the key creative player in Odegaard got injured.
Arsenal need it sign a creative player or change the structure of the attack.
His logic was funny at one point.
He said Arteta thinks they don't have the same attacking prowess as City, so he signs defenders to try and win another way. Why not sign better attackers if that was the case?
Just because Mourinho knew how to defend doesn’t make him a defensive coach.
No football statistics without Mourinho's
I'm no arsenal fan but good god is this what we're listening to now 😂😂
They are turning into George Graham's Arsenal
Carra is much better pundit and commentator than Gary this vid proves it
Playing like a Mourinho team is not just being defensive. It's a set of principles and footballing philosophy. You can call Mikel Arteta defensive which is true to certain extent but he is not like Mourinho, Arteta is from the school Guardiola (positionalism) you would know this if you watched how Arsenal and city play.
yeh, a philosophy to use the dark arts - and grind out boring low scoring wins with minimal risk to your own goal, which is exactly what we're seeing...
He is from the school of Moyes of signing tall players everywhere and 4 center backs behind 3 cdms😂 ...The man is built for a relegation scrap
@@DanielS10291 @joshuakithyoma9575 comments from idiots like you two are the reason why England have to import managers from abroad, the level of football knowledge in this country is so diabolical and it will remain this way with their dogshit media pundits like Jamie Carragher.
Well Said Jamie. Spot on Bro 💯👍
play direct football, 'a problem,' play sexy football, 'cant win the league like that'.. what do you want?
This is when a team sold 4 attacking players to replace 4 defensive ones