I love how it just happened to work out that the real locomotive most likely to be the actual Diesel just so happened to end up visiting the Bluebell for a while. It feels like the sort of thing that would be a plot contrivance for a fan story.
@@sodorislandmodels6332 It would actually make for a good story in a redemption arc that 13236 ends up on the Bluebell and confides in "Stepney" that he regrets being young and arrogant, having that conflict with then spreading lies about "Duck" and failing to make a good impression.
Came over from Unlucky Tugs' video about more real engines in Thomas, and this was one hecking good dive in to narrowing down just what number Diesel wore IRL.
This series is amazing and it only has two episodes. It's great to hear Diesels alive. Almost makes up for the disappointment of Jinty dying. But keep up the amazing work. Your a real RWS Detective.
Interesting that Diesel worked around Hull; my Dad comes from Hull and is similar age to Diesel. In my head canon Jinty was bought by the NWR in 1964 to assist with building Arlesburgh harbour and restoring the disused railway before replacing Duck as Tidmouth pilot. Amazing you managed to narrow Diesel down from nearly 1000 Class 08 locomotives to just 1!
Wow, I just got done watching your video on Jinty and now this, excellent research and breakdown. Imagine Diesel and Stepney getting on with each other during his time at the Bluebell Railway. I'd figure much like how Gordon was pompous when he was new and later grew from his mistakes, Diesel likely would have grown as well from his early years. Being one of the 3 remaining 08s left in service, getting moved around, fearing he'd be scrapped himself, I think would have built character on him. Pairing him up with Stepney as a character would also make for an interesting story. Stepney is a famous steam engine, he's a bigshot and people flock to the Bluebell railway to visit him. He's good friends with Duck who Diesel slandered when he arrived to Sodor, and he and Duck both had their experience with D261 before.
Thanks, all really good and interesting points! By the way, there were more than three 08s left in service, just at the time of Thomas and the Evil Diesel there were only three possibilities for Diesel with the correct build features. Many had been withdrawn though!
There are currently 100 Class 08s in Service and 82 in preservation, Not 3 in service and 1 in preservation, Some of the 100 used to be preserved before being sold back to Train Operating Companies
Great to see this continue its cool to see how u narrowed everything down also cool that he survives to this day and even went to the blue bell railway
Hey dude, I love this, as a fellow RWS purist, I’m happy people are doing clever & creative things with the series, I have a request for this series, Duck, in the IOS Book it’s heavily implied that the number he wears on Sodor wasn’t his real number, I would love to see an episode where you try to figure out whether he is the real 5741, Anyways I hope this series continues, bye
Wow- this is so amazing! I haven’t even read the books, only seen the TV show and this peaked my interest, I’m amazing you managed to narrow it down like this! I just subscribed!
I accept this conclusion! I am very impressed by how in-depth your research and keen is your eye because I never payed attention to any of the finer details on Diesel. It really blows my mind that Diesel was built in Darlington and was a North Eastern Region engine meaning he was working alongside ex-LNER engines. As for me, I've been interested in trying to find out what Duck's original number was before 5741 when he came to Sodor. I've taken the clues of Paddington and King James I from Duck mentioning these in the books to get a start. King James I was allocated to the Old Oak Common sheds when first built. Old Oak Common sheds housed those engines near Paddington so Duck had to have been a 5700 that was allocated to Old Oak Common when King James I was there. The Unlucky Tug pointed out to me that Duck is the 5700 variant with round windows. This variant of 5700 were built from 1929 to 1933. If you want some resources about Duck's number that I'm tracking down right now, I could tell you what I have so far.
Question: How do you find out the places where specific engines were allocated? Is there a website I can go to? I´ve tried Wikipedia but they don´t list every single locomotive in the UK.
Very good video as always. Somehow I missed this one but saw the second Diesel video first! I just need to point out one thing: the Battlefield Line is in Leicestershire.
I believe "Thomas and the Evil Diesel" was intended to take place following "Branch Line Engines," which would explain Percy's absence. Keep in mind, the story was intended to fit somewhere in the continuity of the stories adapted for Series 2.
I think that would be S3, not 2. Not to mention that it doesn't really fit in anyway; Percy is "unwell" for reasons clearly unrelated to the accident, and the awkward predicament is that Percy would leave them with only two engines to run the line as opposed to the required three. Thomas and the Evil Diesel takes place at a point where four engines are needed.
Yes I think this is right, the book was published in 1987 which is a year after S2 went out. It was more likely to be an alternative to Diesel Does It Again in S3.
I went to York yesterday and saw two Class 08s; one at Murton Park (Derwent Valley Light Railway) and another working with Wabtec at Doncaster railway works. They're still indispensable 60 years after the last was built. Murton Park's 08 is a later build than Diesel as it has the later style engine compartment door handles.
@@sodorislandmodels6332 I think Diesel gives his class a bad name when in real life they were one of the most successful locomotives built; a case of the hare and the tortoise:-)
Everyone else: that’s cool. Me: Please tell me I didn’t use the same number for my 08 character. Literal scramble to find the number, but I used 13238. Thank goodness. What a great bit of research work, well done. 👏
I saw a Class 08 in faded EWS livery at Leeds Neville Hill from the train 🚆 on the way to York last weekend. Wabtec in Doncaster has at least 2 and there's one at the Derwent Valley Railway in York.
@@sodorislandmodels6332 Me too, the first built (number 13000 / D3000) is preserved, currently at Peak Rail not far from me in Derbyshire. This is the railway where BoCo's brother D5705 was stored in the 1980s, at the same time as the Class 151 railcars (Derby and Matlock) were in trial service on the Matlock line. In my fanfiction D5705 joins the North Western Railway after a meeting between BoCo and Derby or Matlock at Vicarstown. BoCo is surprised the modern diesel unit knew about Metropolitan Vickers CoBo diesels and thought only one survived... This chance meeting starts a train of events that would lead to CoBo's restoration.
I'm so glad diesel isn't dead even if he was the one who said lies about the engines he tried the change by the 80s someone needs to make a backstory that matches this
Hrm. I know it's not a lot to go off of, but would it possible to find a real life analogue for Stanley? That would pose a real challenge if it's at all possible, I'm sure. In general, I enjoy the narrow gague engines so if any of the others seem like more intriguing prospects I'd love to see it. Really glad I found this channel in my recommendations, you've got some amazing talent for finding these engines!
They won't be next, but they're on my list to look at. As they're quite modern I think it'll be hard to narrow them down, but I'll give it my best shot!
Not all InterCity 125s are identical; the early ones had a guard's van and extra windows in the rear of the power car and were built without the smoke deflector plates around the exhausts. There have been subsequent engine / cooler group replacements but Pip and Emma retain their BR blue, grey and yellow colour scheme for continuity same as Diesel remains in black. Pip and Emma can't be the HST power cars written off in the Southall, Ladbroke grove or Ufton Nervet train crashes; they can't be 43013,014,068,080 or 084 as these were fitted with buffers for running with Class 91 push pull trains. Pip or Emma can't be 43062 either as this is used by Network Rail as well. Nine down, 188 to go...
Diesel’s number 13236 seems perfect for him. Diesel is meant to be plain, not unique, unremarkable, and utilitarian. 13236 is a random number of the thousand class 08’s and has no significant meaning to him, so I think it’s perfect. Good job narrowing it down.
Very cool! I thought a good candidate for real life Diesel could be 13079, also built by Darlington and preserved at the NRM; I figured this since a generic 08 painted black comes to help Thomas on his journey to York in 1990. Could you do a video explaining how Old Stuck-Up (40125) was on Sodor supposedly in 1984, when his real life counterpart had been scrapped the previous year, let alone withdrawn 2 years prior? I've never understood that...
I have more steam engines to do before I get to the diesels, but I'll do 40125 yes. The NRM 08 is a good shout, and is very close to being a good option for Diesel, but has the older cab rear lighting style 🙂
0:49 Diesel has unpainted silver coloured side rods. 4:49 Diesel's side rods are painted red, even though it seems he is seen in the books with them silver since then - did they keep recolouring them or is this photo just a mock-up using a different engine as the base?
@@sodorislandmodels6332 Photos of the National Railway Museum's 13079 show it with red side rods as well. I agree this is possibly the 08 in Thomas and the Great Railway Show...
Great job. Although, Christopher Awdry refers to Evil Diesel as 'an invention of the publisher' in Sodor reading between the lines, so Ithink it isn't meant to be considered part of RWS continuity.
Please consider doing one of bocos past before sodor like him working with his brothers and then after he leaves for sodor 3 years later they were withdrawn and D5701 being in a railway series illustration looking for oliver in the same blue livery and logo
@@sodorislandmodels6332 wouldn't it be interesting if D5701 escaped from Tipton UK where he was sent for scrap or Carlisle kingmoor yard where him and the rest of bocos relatives for being held at before being sent for scrap all the way to sodor Just like Oliver did so he can join boco in preservation
@@sodorislandmodels6332 I actually wanna do a remake for Day Of The Diesels where Diesel, Diesel 10 and Sir Topham Hatt go to the Other Railway to help get parts for Pinchy's recalibration, meet Stepney on the Other Railway, have Stepney reveal that he's on a railway show in London and then let Stepney tell Topham and Diesel 10 about the time when Diesel was on the Bluebell Line with Stepney.
i wonder what diesel's life like before coming to sodor and after leaving sodor (i was surprise to see him in thomas and the missing christmas tree and gordon and the famous visitor) wondered how was he after diesel does it again, and tender engines, wondered what he was like during series 4, 5, and tatmr, wondered what he was like before and after the world's strongest engine, also wondered how to became a resident on sodor and what he was like before and after fergus breaks the rules
@@sodorislandmodels6332 he also appeared in mavis (episode), made a cameo in escape, and he was gonna appear in edward, trevor and the really useful party but his role was cut
I'm honestly glad Diesel and the other 08 characters have the brake housings on both sides. They just don't look right with just the one. Especially when looked at from the front.
My take on Diesel had his real life numbers be 13238 (his number at the time of the Duck and the Diesel Engine book), then D3238 and finally 08170 (his TOPS number at the time of Thomas and the Evil Diesel) before his Sodor number was D16. I am aware that this number means the timeline in my series is a bit tight, but he slipped off to Barrow to secretly do shunting, essentially pulling an Oliver, before one of the Sodor engines finds him and decides to bring him to Sodor when they find out what Diesel's fate would have been.
Yes, it's tighter for 13238 than 13236,but after being withdrawn in 1986,13238 was not scrapped until 1991,giving plenty of time for him to be saved from scrap. 13236 is IMO the most likely candidate for Diesel, but he could be any of the 23 listed.
Hey @Sodor Island Models, Since you did Jinty as well as Diesel, then..why not try to find the Real life Murdoch? aka the 9F? that would be a interesting one.
One extra piece of evidence I will say is that you can aluminate the southern region 08s based off of the fact that Sodor is in The far north west of the country and it wouldn’t make any sense for southern 08 to be allocated there
I will address this in the follow up video, but the reason I didn't mention it is all the Southern Region 08s were withdrawn too early to be Diesel. Good point though 🙂
If it's okay, I would like to use this idea for my version of Devious Diesel in OO gauge, and HO scale forms. The only trouble I have is, I don't know which OO gauge version of the Class 08 comes close to resembling 13236.
You want one with the horizontal door hinges; Bachmann make the early body 08 with these hinges. They made a model in BR black livery but it had red coupling rods, but it would make a good starting point for your Diesel model. Apart from the side rods being red it has all the other features you're looking for. It just needs renumbering to 13236. I'd make the face removable to make Diesel look like he would in real life. There are some 'real life' Thomas models on TH-cam that don't have faces and are made to look more realistic.
@@sodorislandmodels6332 Bachmann made a BR black 08 numbered 13238 that looks just like Diesel but with the red coupling rods. All Hornby and Bachmann 08s have the plates over the 4 lower air intakes behind the ladders but these are not really noticeable on ladder fitted locos. This model and the Hornby 13079 just need the numbers changing and the coupling rods stripping to remove the red paint to be Diesel.
There is a roblox game called steam age which was based on the United Kingdom railways in the 1960s when steam locomotives were still a common sight until the new diesel locomotives made them extinct
Thomas has the extended sidetanks, so of the 10 E2s built, he has to be one of the later five. Of that group, three of them were built too late to be Thomas, who arrived on Sodor in 1915. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LB%26SCR_E2_class There are two left. No. 105 was built in June 1915, and No. 106 was built in September 1915. Either are possible, really, although perhaps you think September is a bit too late in the year. I don't know much else, and I think the only other info, based on the RWS, is that Thomas meets Boxhill on the LB&SCR and that he has to arrive in time to help build the North Western Railway in 1915. (So I guess it's 105 then?)
Into service Jan 56, assigned to hull dajrycoates, renumbered d3233 in Aug 59, renumbered 08165 in Apr 74, withdrawn jul 80 and cut up in Dec 80 in swindon
Not bad. However, you did make a mistake by judging that Diesel's still in BR service by 1986. Any BR loco would have been in BR blue. But, Diesel's clearly seen to be in the original black livery, which means he cannot be in BR service. I would rather guess that Diesel was on loan from an heritage railway then from BR themselves.
I'll be addressing this in the follow up video, but in short I believe diesel is illustrated in black for continuity, and the book states he came from The Other Railway. I'll have the next video up in a few days hopefully 🙂
Diesel did help Thomas onto the flatbed of the Lorry when Thomas was going to the national railway museum in York this is my head Cannon as in Thomas and the great railway show in the second story not a ticket there was a class O8 diesel shunter painted black so in my head Canon that diesel engine who helped Thomas on to the flatbed of the Lorry was diesel
@@sodorislandmodels6332 I know some things would have been better off if Clive Spong illustrated the diesel pushing Thomas onto the Lorry's flatbed painted green
By the time of Thomas and the Great Railway Show, 08s were painted in many different liveries, some one off liveries too, but green is certainly possible
Diesel came to the North Western on trial in 1957 a while after City-Of-Truro visited, and Duck was to show him around in the yard. Diesel boasts about his revolution and how he should know what to do. Duck, unimpressed, tries to humble him by having him collect his trucks for him on his own. Diesel tries to show off, but instead gets humiliated when he fails to move some rotten trucks with worn brakes, resulting him becoming a laughing-stock by the other trucks who start to sing rudely at him. Diesel blames Duck for everything, deciding to get revenge and send him away. Throughout the week, he spreads lies around the yard to the trucks about Duck insulting the other engines, including Henry, James, and Gordon, inspired by events and mishaps such as Henry’s tire-rims going flat, James getting lassoed by Edward (in old iron) and would’ve been rusted if he’d crash and it’s rained, and Gordon being claimed to gallop like a horse and having hot drips of water sizzle and pop on his boiler like frying sausages. It upsets the other engines so much that they soon turned against Duck. Sir Topham Hatt then sends Duck to help Edward at Wellsworth for a while to pending upon further inquiry into the matter. Meanwhile, Diesel was soon caught and found out, so he got sent away in disgrace. As for Duck by that time, he regained the others’ respect when he bravely stops a runaway train at his own risk, despite crashing into a barbershop himself, and returned home soon afterwards.
He's not a Class 08 (also called a D199 if I remember correctly). He's a Paxton V1 which is the Class 08 prototype introduced in the 1930s. There was some other TTTE TH-camr who went into it in further detail on it, but I can't remember who. His signature line of "We are revolutionary" is an homage to his experimental nature. Ironically, he has something in common with Henry in his old Gresley state because of his "incomplete" status.
I can't find any official source calling Diesel a Paxton V1, nor anything that refers to LMS 7120 (the design that the BR Class 08 shunter is based on) being such. But I did find a fanworks wiki called 'Stories of Sodor' that refers to Diesel as such without references; it also lists his build date as 1931 which is before even the design that preceded the whole series of designs that lead to the Class 08, as LMS 7079 the original demonstrator was built in 1934. Edit: upon looking for Paxman I got results, in 1930 a Paxman engine was put into LMS Shunter 1831 which was built by Vulcan Foundry. it was built in the frame of a steam engine. but a English electric engine was used in the LM 7120 (which became BR Class 11) and the BR Class 08 shunters. a Paxman engine was used in the Class 14 though.
@@akikubel710 I did say he was a diesel prototype from the 30s, so that's more or less what I was talking about. I just didn't remember all of the specifics. Big fan of Victor Tanzig by the way. Have you seen it yet?
Yes, I'm familiar with Stories of Sodor. I love that series. It's why I instantly recognized what this was about. Very interesting, and well thought through. It is all headcanon though.
I love how it just happened to work out that the real locomotive most likely to be the actual Diesel just so happened to end up visiting the Bluebell for a while. It feels like the sort of thing that would be a plot contrivance for a fan story.
Yes!
@@sodorislandmodels6332 It would actually make for a good story in a redemption arc that 13236 ends up on the Bluebell and confides in "Stepney" that he regrets being young and arrogant, having that conflict with then spreading lies about "Duck" and failing to make a good impression.
wow, the story of the real diesel is really interesting! it's ironic that he ended up shunting at the bluebell railway.
Small world, eh 😀
Lol
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@@sodorislandmodels6332 him and stepney def had beef
Came over from Unlucky Tugs' video about more real engines in Thomas, and this was one hecking good dive in to narrowing down just what number Diesel wore IRL.
Thanks :)
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This series is amazing and it only has two episodes. It's great to hear Diesels alive. Almost makes up for the disappointment of Jinty dying. But keep up the amazing work. Your a real RWS Detective.
Thank you 🙂
@@sodorislandmodels6332 you get a new sub
Thank you!
Interesting that Diesel worked around Hull; my Dad comes from Hull and is similar age to Diesel. In my head canon Jinty was bought by the NWR in 1964 to assist with building Arlesburgh harbour and restoring the disused railway before replacing Duck as Tidmouth pilot. Amazing you managed to narrow Diesel down from nearly 1000 Class 08 locomotives to just 1!
Thanks :)
My jaw is on the floor. That is amazing. Very in-depth and well explained, and well presented. So exploring your channel now.
Thank you very much!
Wow, I just got done watching your video on Jinty and now this, excellent research and breakdown. Imagine Diesel and Stepney getting on with each other during his time at the Bluebell Railway. I'd figure much like how Gordon was pompous when he was new and later grew from his mistakes, Diesel likely would have grown as well from his early years. Being one of the 3 remaining 08s left in service, getting moved around, fearing he'd be scrapped himself, I think would have built character on him. Pairing him up with Stepney as a character would also make for an interesting story. Stepney is a famous steam engine, he's a bigshot and people flock to the Bluebell railway to visit him. He's good friends with Duck who Diesel slandered when he arrived to Sodor, and he and Duck both had their experience with D261 before.
Thanks, all really good and interesting points! By the way, there were more than three 08s left in service, just at the time of Thomas and the Evil Diesel there were only three possibilities for Diesel with the correct build features. Many had been withdrawn though!
There are currently 100 Class 08s in Service and 82 in preservation, Not 3 in service and 1 in preservation, Some of the 100 used to be preserved before being sold back to Train Operating Companies
Yes
Amazing how much effort you put into such a minor character (In the RWS at least). Love this video!
Cheers 🙂
Knowing all of this completes Diesel’s arc from a manipulative bastard to a changed man.
Yeah :)
Great to see this continue its cool to see how u narrowed everything down also cool that he survives to this day and even went to the blue bell railway
I'm delighted Diesel is still about!
The fact that that the suggested actual diesel worked on the bluebell railway for a bit, that might imply that he might had saw stepney is weird
They would have met
Hey dude, I love this, as a fellow RWS purist, I’m happy people are doing clever & creative things with the series, I have a request for this series, Duck, in the IOS Book it’s heavily implied that the number he wears on Sodor wasn’t his real number, I would love to see an episode where you try to figure out whether he is the real 5741, Anyways I hope this series continues, bye
He isn’t the real 5741 worked in Wales for it’s entire life Duck worked in Paddington
@@Tellitonreddit. oh, thanks for the info
Hi, Duck is an upcoming one 🙂
I have absolutely no reason to love this video as much as I do, but you put the work in and it paid off.
You sir, have earned yourself a subscrible
Thank you 🙂
You were mentioned in Unlucky Tug’s video - congrats!
It was nice of him to give me a shoutout
Fun fact: 13236 actually makes a brief cameo in the movie Muppet's Most Wanted hauling a freight train, which I find to be rather amusing XD
Wow, never knew that!
This is so good, there must be so much reserch put into it. Geneus!
Cheers!
This video is absolutely underrated, I mean no fans had done something mind blowing
Cheers, that's very nice of you
I love how much thought you put in through this video. Much respect bro
Also Diesel surviving into the modern age adds a new layer I feel to the series
Thanks man, yeah I'm glad he's still around!
Yass these are amazing can’t wait to see this
Thanks!
Wow- this is so amazing! I haven’t even read the books, only seen the TV show and this peaked my interest, I’m amazing you managed to narrow it down like this! I just subscribed!
Thanks very much!
I accept this conclusion! I am very impressed by how in-depth your research and keen is your eye because I never payed attention to any of the finer details on Diesel. It really blows my mind that Diesel was built in Darlington and was a North Eastern Region engine meaning he was working alongside ex-LNER engines. As for me, I've been interested in trying to find out what Duck's original number was before 5741 when he came to Sodor. I've taken the clues of Paddington and King James I from Duck mentioning these in the books to get a start. King James I was allocated to the Old Oak Common sheds when first built. Old Oak Common sheds housed those engines near Paddington so Duck had to have been a 5700 that was allocated to Old Oak Common when King James I was there. The Unlucky Tug pointed out to me that Duck is the 5700 variant with round windows. This variant of 5700 were built from 1929 to 1933. If you want some resources about Duck's number that I'm tracking down right now, I could tell you what I have so far.
Cheers, I have done a lot of research into Duck but not got an exact basis yet!
Class 08s are popular as hell and you got 1 out of all those
It was fun :D
Fascinating work here
Thanks :)
This is a legendary video! Cant wait to see more vids :D
Thanks!
Question: How do you find out the places where specific engines were allocated? Is there a website I can go to?
I´ve tried Wikipedia but they don´t list every single locomotive in the UK.
Try brdatabase.info, be aware it's not complete though, so you may have to dig a little deeper for some classes
Rail uk also
Shed bash UK is good too
Yeah it's a great resource
Very good video as always. Somehow I missed this one but saw the second Diesel video first! I just need to point out one thing: the Battlefield Line is in Leicestershire.
You're right, I made an error there 🙂
@sodorislandmodels6332 No worries; you make great videos so it's okay to make a little mistake every now and then. 😉
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I believe "Thomas and the Evil Diesel" was intended to take place following "Branch Line Engines," which would explain Percy's absence. Keep in mind, the story was intended to fit somewhere in the continuity of the stories adapted for Series 2.
I think that would be S3, not 2. Not to mention that it doesn't really fit in anyway; Percy is "unwell" for reasons clearly unrelated to the accident, and the awkward predicament is that Percy would leave them with only two engines to run the line as opposed to the required three. Thomas and the Evil Diesel takes place at a point where four engines are needed.
Yes I think this is right, the book was published in 1987 which is a year after S2 went out. It was more likely to be an alternative to Diesel Does It Again in S3.
@@sodorislandmodels6332 I like it better than Diesel Does It Again. As Diesel worked around Hull and Goole he would be used to dock working...
Yeah
I went on a couple trains that went on burton on trent last month. Stop after the one I got on. Will have to keep an eye out next time i vited ny mate
Good luck!
I’d wish to know if any real class 08 had any issues moving rotten trucks like in pop goes the diesel, or if there were any rumors like in dirty work
Haha maybe
I went to York yesterday and saw two Class 08s; one at Murton Park (Derwent Valley Light Railway) and another working with Wabtec at Doncaster railway works. They're still indispensable 60 years after the last was built. Murton Park's 08 is a later build than Diesel as it has the later style engine compartment door handles.
They are so resilient eh
@@sodorislandmodels6332 I think Diesel gives his class a bad name when in real life they were one of the most successful locomotives built; a case of the hare and the tortoise:-)
He certainly didn't show how revolutionary they were!
You gained my attention and now i'm your subscriber
Thanks!
Everyone else: that’s cool. Me: Please tell me I didn’t use the same number for my 08 character. Literal scramble to find the number, but I used 13238. Thank goodness. What a great bit of research work, well done. 👏
Thanks
What an amazing theory, and great research!
Thanks :)
I saw a Class 08 in faded EWS livery at Leeds Neville Hill from the train 🚆 on the way to York last weekend. Wabtec in Doncaster has at least 2 and there's one at the Derwent Valley Railway in York.
Yeah I love how you can still see them almost 70 years after the first of them came out
@@sodorislandmodels6332 Me too, the first built (number 13000 / D3000) is preserved, currently at Peak Rail not far from me in Derbyshire. This is the railway where BoCo's brother D5705 was stored in the 1980s, at the same time as the Class 151 railcars (Derby and Matlock) were in trial service on the Matlock line. In my fanfiction D5705 joins the North Western Railway after a meeting between BoCo and Derby or Matlock at Vicarstown. BoCo is surprised the modern diesel unit knew about Metropolitan Vickers CoBo diesels and thought only one survived...
This chance meeting starts a train of events that would lead to CoBo's restoration.
Nice
I'm so glad diesel isn't dead even if he was the one who said lies about the engines he tried the change by the 80s someone needs to make a backstory that matches this
Absolutely!
so diesel is alive? dam seeying thomas bases still in working order is very amazing
He is and it is 😁
Ok, but thinking of the interactions between Diesel and Stepney would be really interesting to see due to his previous experience with 'Bowler'
Absolutely!
There’s actually an image of D13226 with a Diesel face on. Appropriate 😅
😁 Cool
Hrm. I know it's not a lot to go off of, but would it possible to find a real life analogue for Stanley? That would pose a real challenge if it's at all possible, I'm sure.
In general, I enjoy the narrow gague engines so if any of the others seem like more intriguing prospects I'd love to see it.
Really glad I found this channel in my recommendations, you've got some amazing talent for finding these engines!
Cheers, I will look at Stanley at Stanley at some point!
This series is legendary! I challenge you to find out Pip and Emma next!
They won't be next, but they're on my list to look at. As they're quite modern I think it'll be hard to narrow them down, but I'll give it my best shot!
Not all InterCity 125s are identical; the early ones had a guard's van and extra windows in the rear of the power car and were built without the smoke deflector plates around the exhausts. There have been subsequent engine / cooler group replacements but Pip and Emma retain their BR blue, grey and yellow colour scheme for continuity same as Diesel remains in black.
Pip and Emma can't be the HST power cars written off in the Southall, Ladbroke grove or Ufton Nervet train crashes; they can't be 43013,014,068,080 or 084 as these were fitted with buffers for running with Class 91 push pull trains. Pip or Emma can't be 43062 either as this is used by Network Rail as well.
Nine down, 188 to go...
Good points, not even started to look into the intercitys yet :D
@@sodorislandmodels6332 43065 and 43067 were fitted with buffers as well!
Cheers I'll keep that in mind! 🙂
Wow you have gained a lot of subs!
I know, pretty shocked!
Diesel’s number 13236 seems perfect for him. Diesel is meant to be plain, not unique, unremarkable, and utilitarian. 13236 is a random number of the thousand class 08’s and has no significant meaning to him, so I think it’s perfect. Good job narrowing it down.
Cheers!
Very cool! I thought a good candidate for real life Diesel could be 13079, also built by Darlington and preserved at the NRM; I figured this since a generic 08 painted black comes to help Thomas on his journey to York in 1990. Could you do a video explaining how Old Stuck-Up (40125) was on Sodor supposedly in 1984, when his real life counterpart had been scrapped the previous year, let alone withdrawn 2 years prior? I've never understood that...
I have more steam engines to do before I get to the diesels, but I'll do 40125 yes. The NRM 08 is a good shout, and is very close to being a good option for Diesel, but has the older cab rear lighting style 🙂
@@sodorislandmodels6332 I think 40125 might have been withdrawn following the Tidmouth crash.
Could be, I've not really looked into the diesels much yet, aside from BoCo and Diesel :)
0:49 Diesel has unpainted silver coloured side rods.
4:49 Diesel's side rods are painted red, even though it seems he is seen in the books with them silver since then - did they keep recolouring them or is this photo just a mock-up using a different engine as the base?
13236 has been restored to an old livery, but I doubt they knew about the subtle different in side rods as most had red siderods
@@sodorislandmodels6332 Photos of the National Railway Museum's 13079 show it with red side rods as well. I agree this is possibly the 08 in Thomas and the Great Railway Show...
Mmm
Fun fact: I was your 400th sub!
Cheers 😁
Great job. Although, Christopher Awdry refers to Evil Diesel as 'an invention of the publisher' in Sodor reading between the lines, so Ithink it isn't meant to be considered part of RWS continuity.
I think he's referring to the phrase evil diesel isn't he?
@@sodorislandmodels6332 Quite possibly - it's never overtly contradicted after all
Reading it right now -- yeah, it is referring to the phrase
Cool
Please consider doing one of bocos past before sodor like him working with his brothers and then after he leaves for sodor 3 years later they were withdrawn and D5701 being in a railway series illustration looking for oliver in the same blue livery and logo
Yeah he'll be done soon 🙂
@@sodorislandmodels6332 wouldn't it be interesting if D5701 escaped from Tipton UK where he was sent for scrap or Carlisle kingmoor yard where him and the rest of bocos relatives for being held at before being sent for scrap all the way to sodor Just like Oliver did so he can join boco in preservation
Yes
How, just how did nail down diesels basis from like 1000 to 1. That is incredible
I just used every resource I could find to discount 08s til I found the most likely diesel :)
Amazing! Most people think all 08s look the same but there are a minefield of small detail differences!
Thanks, yeah it was fun identifying the differences :)
this is awsome!
Thanks!
I hope you make more of these
I've got two more almost ready!
Diesel became a Bluebell engine IRL? That makes me laugh!
Yes, he was there for a few years 😁
@@sodorislandmodels6332 I actually wanna do a remake for Day Of The Diesels where Diesel, Diesel 10 and Sir Topham Hatt go to the Other Railway to help get parts for Pinchy's recalibration, meet Stepney on the Other Railway, have Stepney reveal that he's on a railway show in London and then let Stepney tell Topham and Diesel 10 about the time when Diesel was on the Bluebell Line with Stepney.
Sounds like fun :)
i wonder what diesel's life like before coming to sodor and after leaving sodor (i was surprise to see him in thomas and the missing christmas tree and gordon and the famous visitor) wondered how was he after diesel does it again, and tender engines, wondered what he was like during series 4, 5, and tatmr, wondered what he was like before and after the world's strongest engine, also wondered how to became a resident on sodor and what he was like before and after fergus breaks the rules
Yeah I've not really looked into TV show diesel, funny how he was in those two S3 episodes
@@sodorislandmodels6332 he also appeared in mavis (episode), made a cameo in escape, and he was gonna appear in edward, trevor and the really useful party but his role was cut
Oh right
Guessing he was based on the Triang Railways 00 gauge model as well.
Could be yeah
Thank goodness he's still alive.
😅 Phew!
I'm honestly glad Diesel and the other 08 characters have the brake housings on both sides. They just don't look right with just the one. Especially when looked at from the front.
Yeah I agree
My take on Diesel had his real life numbers be 13238 (his number at the time of the Duck and the Diesel Engine book), then D3238
and finally 08170 (his TOPS number at the time of Thomas and the Evil Diesel) before his Sodor number was D16. I am aware that this number means the timeline in my series is a bit tight, but he slipped off to Barrow to secretly do shunting, essentially pulling an Oliver, before one of the Sodor engines finds him and decides to bring him to Sodor when they find out what Diesel's fate would have been.
Yes, it's tighter for 13238 than 13236,but after being withdrawn in 1986,13238 was not scrapped until 1991,giving plenty of time for him to be saved from scrap. 13236 is IMO the most likely candidate for Diesel, but he could be any of the 23 listed.
@@sodorislandmodels6332 I know. I just don't use preserved engines for basis for engines in my series unless it's a "real life" engine.
I know what you mean 🙂
I wonder what LMS Patriot class the Foreign engine was.
Great detective work by the way
The Patriot is on my to do list, but there is very little to go on, I think it could be one of thirty two engines. I'll get round to it eventually 😁
Hey @Sodor Island Models, Since you did Jinty as well as Diesel, then..why not try to find the Real life Murdoch? aka the 9F? that would be a interesting one.
Thing is there is less information as he is a TV character, but I'll certainly do something on him at some point :)
One extra piece of evidence I will say is that you can aluminate the southern region 08s based off of the fact that Sodor is in The far north west of the country and it wouldn’t make any sense for southern 08 to be allocated there
I will address this in the follow up video, but the reason I didn't mention it is all the Southern Region 08s were withdrawn too early to be Diesel. Good point though 🙂
If it's okay, I would like to use this idea for my version of Devious Diesel in OO gauge, and HO scale forms. The only trouble I have is, I don't know which OO gauge version of the Class 08 comes close to resembling 13236.
Fine by me!
You want one with the horizontal door hinges; Bachmann make the early body 08 with these hinges.
They made a model in BR black livery but it had red coupling rods, but it would make a good starting point for your Diesel model. Apart from the side rods being red it has all the other features you're looking for. It just needs renumbering to 13236. I'd make the face removable to make Diesel look like he would in real life. There are some 'real life' Thomas models on TH-cam that don't have faces and are made to look more realistic.
Good tips
@@sodorislandmodels6332 Bachmann made a BR black 08 numbered 13238 that looks just like Diesel but with the red coupling rods. All Hornby and Bachmann 08s have the plates over the 4 lower air intakes behind the ladders but these are not really noticeable on ladder fitted locos.
This model and the Hornby 13079 just need the numbers changing and the coupling rods stripping to remove the red paint to be Diesel.
Yep that's good advice
There is a roblox game called steam age which was based on the United Kingdom railways in the 1960s when steam locomotives were still a common sight until the new diesel locomotives made them extinct
Cool, I've never dipped my toe in roblox 🙂
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Cheers!
3:00 it takes place after gordon the high speed engine
Yes, that's what I reckon
You can do Thomas next and you did amazing work on the vid
Thomas has the extended sidetanks, so of the 10 E2s built, he has to be one of the later five. Of that group, three of them were built too late to be Thomas, who arrived on Sodor in 1915.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LB%26SCR_E2_class
There are two left. No. 105 was built in June 1915, and No. 106 was built in September 1915. Either are possible, really, although perhaps you think September is a bit too late in the year. I don't know much else, and I think the only other info, based on the RWS, is that Thomas meets Boxhill on the LB&SCR and that he has to arrive in time to help build the North Western Railway in 1915. (So I guess it's 105 then?)
He will be done eventually 😁
This is amazing. Anyone else here after TheUnluckyTug's video?
Thanks, and seems like a few did yes!
Hope he stays in preservation when he’s off the clock.
😁 Same
5:34 Stepney thought this was very silly.
They're probably all pally now 😁
Did you find any information on Darlington built 13233 as I’m trying to make that model in O gauge? Great video by the way
I will have a look for you when I have a chance :)
@@sodorislandmodels6332 cheers
Into service Jan 56, assigned to hull dajrycoates, renumbered d3233 in Aug 59, renumbered 08165 in Apr 74, withdrawn jul 80 and cut up in Dec 80 in swindon
@@sodorislandmodels6332 So 13233 will have known & worked with Diesel!
Looks like it :)
Slight correction for you. The battlefield Railway is in Leicestershire, not Lancashire.
Very good video though and some great research and deduction.
Thanks for the feedback and correction!
There was almost ONE-THOUSAND Class 08s!?
Yep!
@@sodorislandmodels6332 Blimey...
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BR built 1193 including the non-standard Class 9-13 and the LMS built similar locos before / during nationalisation; that's a lot of locos!
Loads!
Awsome
Thank you
@@sodorislandmodels6332 no problem
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Nice
Thanks!
Not bad. However, you did make a mistake by judging that Diesel's still in BR service by 1986. Any BR loco would have been in BR blue. But, Diesel's clearly seen to be in the original black livery, which means he cannot be in BR service. I would rather guess that Diesel was on loan from an heritage railway then from BR themselves.
I'll be addressing this in the follow up video, but in short I believe diesel is illustrated in black for continuity, and the book states he came from The Other Railway. I'll have the next video up in a few days hopefully 🙂
Interesting.
Cheers!
Could you please do which engine Oliver is?
Oliver will be done in due course 🙂
@@sodorislandmodels6332 thank you he's my favourite overall character from the railway series because of his character arc
Doesn't Oliver have a canon number? 1436. Duck too has a canon number: 5741.
@@numberjacksoctonauts7138 although Oliver has a cannon number that number wasn't assigned to a locomotive of that type by GWR
@@sodorislandmodels6332 where are you on Oliver his numbers and nameplates were swapped during his rescue from scrap in order to initially rescue him
You should do henry
Yeah I'll do Henry at some point, got a few at various stages of planning to put out first though 🙂
I think I'd be paxton since he's kind and clumsy
Lovely 🙂
Diesel did help Thomas onto the flatbed of the Lorry when Thomas was going to the national railway museum in York this is my head Cannon as in Thomas and the great railway show in the second story not a ticket there was a class O8 diesel shunter painted black so in my head Canon that diesel engine who helped Thomas on to the flatbed of the Lorry was diesel
It's unlikely they're the same engine, but headcanons can be fun anyway :)
@@sodorislandmodels6332 I know some things would have been better off if Clive Spong illustrated the diesel pushing Thomas onto the Lorry's flatbed painted green
By the time of Thomas and the Great Railway Show, 08s were painted in many different liveries, some one off liveries too, but green is certainly possible
It could be the NRM's 13079.
Now confirmed to be diesel
YOOO SO I CAN GO MEET DIESEL!?
I have no idea how open Nemesis rail is but you can certainly see him from afar!
Diesel came to the North Western on trial in 1957 a while after City-Of-Truro visited, and Duck was to show him around in the yard. Diesel boasts about his revolution and how he should know what to do. Duck, unimpressed, tries to humble him by having him collect his trucks for him on his own. Diesel tries to show off, but instead gets humiliated when he fails to move some rotten trucks with worn brakes, resulting him becoming a laughing-stock by the other trucks who start to sing rudely at him. Diesel blames Duck for everything, deciding to get revenge and send him away. Throughout the week, he spreads lies around the yard to the trucks about Duck insulting the other engines, including Henry, James, and Gordon, inspired by events and mishaps such as Henry’s tire-rims going flat, James getting lassoed by Edward (in old iron) and would’ve been rusted if he’d crash and it’s rained, and Gordon being claimed to gallop like a horse and having hot drips of water sizzle and pop on his boiler like frying sausages. It upsets the other engines so much that they soon turned against Duck. Sir Topham Hatt then sends Duck to help Edward at Wellsworth for a while to pending upon further inquiry into the matter. Meanwhile, Diesel was soon caught and found out, so he got sent away in disgrace. As for Duck by that time, he regained the others’ respect when he bravely stops a runaway train at his own risk, despite crashing into a barbershop himself, and returned home soon afterwards.
That's right
Video suggestion: which engine is the real Henry?
But old shape Henry has no real basis therefore there is no real counter part.
@@ryandyer3466 I’m talking about what black 5 is henry
@@thetoontrain473 Do you believe in the two Henrys theory.
@@ryandyer3466 not really tbh
Henry will be done at some point
(The meme) Daaaaaamn
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Yoo stephany met diesel
Sure did!
Oh shit! Diesel is real?!?
Yes, I think so 😄
Actually Thomas and the evil diesel took place in 1965
What makes you say that?
The timeline
And ttte fandom
Ahh okay, I think 1980s is much more likely than 1960s but there is no firm evidence for either
Who’s next
A Diesel flow up then probably BoCo
Ok cool here’s my suggestion after no I can you do Thomas
At some point yes
Who came here after UnluckyTug’s New Debunked Video?
Yes and no. I’ve already seen this video when it first came out. But I came did back to see it again.
I did! 🤚
Sounds like loads did!
Diesel from the LNER?!
He's a Darlington boy
@sodorislandmodels6332 yes he is
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DIESEL LESS GOO
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DARLO MENTION
(My town!!]
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@@sodorislandmodels6332 also this video and the rest of your RWS research series is so helpful (im watching it all now!)
I'm really glad you like it 🙂
He's not a Class 08 (also called a D199 if I remember correctly). He's a Paxton V1 which is the Class 08 prototype introduced in the 1930s. There was some other TTTE TH-camr who went into it in further detail on it, but I can't remember who. His signature line of "We are revolutionary" is an homage to his experimental nature. Ironically, he has something in common with Henry in his old Gresley state because of his "incomplete" status.
That is all headcanon. Really good, well-thought-out, interesting headcanon, but still headcanon. In real life, there is no Paxman V1.
@@shivamkamil1581 Paxton, not Paxman. Also, are you sure? Can you give me a source for your claim?
I can't find any official source calling Diesel a Paxton V1, nor anything that refers to LMS 7120 (the design that the BR Class 08 shunter is based on) being such.
But I did find a fanworks wiki called 'Stories of Sodor' that refers to Diesel as such without references; it also lists his build date as 1931 which is before even the design that preceded the whole series of designs that lead to the Class 08, as LMS 7079 the original demonstrator was built in 1934.
Edit: upon looking for Paxman I got results, in 1930 a Paxman engine was put into LMS Shunter 1831 which was built by Vulcan Foundry. it was built in the frame of a steam engine.
but a English electric engine was used in the LM 7120 (which became BR Class 11) and the BR Class 08 shunters.
a Paxman engine was used in the Class 14 though.
@@akikubel710 I did say he was a diesel prototype from the 30s, so that's more or less what I was talking about. I just didn't remember all of the specifics.
Big fan of Victor Tanzig by the way. Have you seen it yet?
Yes, I'm familiar with Stories of Sodor. I love that series. It's why I instantly recognized what this was about.
Very interesting, and well thought through. It is all headcanon though.
i disliked aeg diesel
I've not seen it :)
@@sodorislandmodels6332aeg diesel is a protagonist
Oh cool
I went on a couple trains that went on burton on trent last month. Stop after the one I got on. Will have to keep an eye out next time i vited ny mate
Good luck finding Diesel!
@@sodorislandmodels6332i’m sure i spotted him :)
Nice
Thank you 🙂
Nice
Thanks