Just wanted to add, that as someone of dual nationality. Fofana (born in France) would have with his background. It can be tough to have a sense of belonging. Not having a strong connection to your parents/grandparents home country (even though you love that nation) and not feeling connected to your birth place when your questioned / doubted to be “French” in this case even though that’s all Wesley knows. It can leave you in a grey area / emptiness. I have that with England / Jamaica often. Those who feel super attached to a nation or there’s less confusion probably don’t get it. But it’s another factor to consider why somebody would be offended/ hurt.
same bro. Different ethnicity to you, but as someone once said: too foreign for home, too foreign for here, never enough for both. People who have to try to live in both worlds get it. There's not enough of you to go around.
A muchos Argentinos o hispanos les pasa ese sentimiento qué describis. Enzo es un muchachos fanfarron con plata e ignorancia. Le falta educación fuera de su país.
❌Enzo chant was not racist 🤷♀️ Is like when many of these pundits during World Cup cliticized Qatar for nationalizing many of its players for the tournament 🤷♀️ The French r cheaters🤏They steal other countries players with money 🤏
This is why Matisse will be one of the few TH-camrs who will be around for a long, long time. He always approaches talking points with perspective, always adds informed/educated nuance to his viewpoints, and always puts things in their proper context. Even more than that, he doesn’t say things for shock value and doesn’t get up in the drama of a serious issue like that. Keep being a man of reason.
Entitlement, many Argentinians say Enzo was only saying facts, did the players on the bus mention Griezmann who is not of a French heritage, or Theo and Lucas Hernandez who are Spanish, or the French center backs playing for Spain, or Jorginho playing for Italy when he’s Brazilian, when Deco played for Portugal, nobody cares then, it’s only a problem with the players of African descent, it’s really hypocritical, if we use the Argentinian logic, the Albiceleste would be just like the French, there would be no national team because 95% of the players of Italian ancestry
I think you don't understand what you're talking about. All our players were born in Argentina except for Garnacho who was born in Spain. His grandparents' parents came to Argentina, because we received a lot of immigration, especially European, during the war periods. The song is not racist or xenophobic, the song refers to the fact that a large part of the Feancese players are from colonies that France still has in Africa (where it guts the African people, such as by imposing a currency that France itself gives them to stay with a tax on it). The song seeks to visualize that these players are mostly not French and that France steals football power from African teams by stealing them for their own team.
@@guillermodangelo5856 Just Like Most Of These French African Players' Grandparents And Parents Came From French Colonies In Africa. Some Of These Players Family Members Fought The Nazis In The French Military During World War 2. Others Were Brought In By The French Government To Help Rebuild France After The War. Or Some Groups Just Came To France Simply As Immigrants (Just Like Most Of These NON NATIVE ARGENTINE Players Parents). Just Like You Mentioned, The Argentinian Players Being Born In Argentina, Almost All The Black Players from France Were Born In FRANCE As Well.
@@guillermodangelo5856you need to read properly before copying and pasting all over the comment section. Platini and Ginola are two of france's best players and they are from Italian heritage. Just 2 of the French black players were not born in France. What part of that information do you not understand?
Not really, it's easy for especially bIac guys to cover it, cuz they're the good guys in this. It's way harder for wite guys who are the bad guys in this, that's why almost no wite content creators touched it
@@BeanieDoggerson the only bad thing about this,its to face his temmmates, is the most important thing. The rest of the world doen'ns matter, the chant is the truth,racist is to be offended and denied who people are, or they herytage
The thing is Argentinians aren’t ashamed to be called Italian or German it’s the French who are offended by being called Africans looks like they are ashamed for being called Africans
@@4Irico5 no the problem is this chant wasn’t about French players in total it was about black French players Players like greizmann who is part German they didn’t sign anything towards him there is a clear intent in the song towards the black players and a certain mbappe
@@4Irico5you’re mistaking, they are not offended, it is the way the Argentinians sing and the intention behind : what are they trying to mean ? Really mean ? What is the point ? That French are cheaters ? That French are not French because their parents are from another country ? That we do not deserve what we achieved ? Tell this to the French players, they will tell they ARE French, this is how they grew up. And havinh a bunch of ignorant racist guys coming and say : you’re not French, your mother is from here and your father from there… yooo this is stupid and childish uneducated statement !!!! This reflects Argentina and their poor people with a low level of education and bad behaviour. Just look at their President….
he is under investigation not charged so what must they do bash him and bring him down ... no one bashed and bring down terry on Ferdinand and suarez with evra
When you research Argentina and other parts of South America and their ‘difference’ to the rest of the western hemisphere, you’d realize that’s their default programming
No it's not, that would need to come from Enzo for that to be the focus. Jackson is merely stating that "As a black African, I'v been around Enzo every day for over a year, and I have never seen him display this sort of act of racism". People call others dumb, but don't hate all who can't speak, they use the term P*ssy, or b*tch, without hating all women, gay, without hating all homosexuals. Words come out by mistake in the heat of the moment, focus on how these people treat the group in question in interactions instead.
@@absolutespoon2074 personally I feel those insults are worse than the words in the song but I’m not black so not gonna tell them how they should feel. For me, I guess I prefer not to automatically label people for one wrongdoing. Others are happy to, that’s their prerogative.
If Enzo is serious about sorting this mess out he takes the next privat jet to London. Shows up at Cobham and talk to all players and the gaffer face to face. If he thinks his holydays are more important then he has shown his true colors. Its not about he made a huge mistakte. Its about how a grown up men with a wife and 2 kids handles his mistakes.
No apology will be acceptable for anyone from the Argentina squad.first they meant everything that was said because France wasn’t in the copa so why singing that at that time. They are so racist and don’t like black peoples that’s it
agree. as Arg i am disgusted, though i cannot expect people outside Arg understand the actual meaning of what that shitty song says. It is not racist, as it tries to say France is taking advantage of these situations only. It does not mention anything negative about blacks/Africans. But… it is the line of Mbappe the one which can give him more trouble.
@@martin1966the song targeted the black players only, not a words of players with spanish German or italian descent. The racial angle is clear coz it implies that they are not really french. Attacking someone on his sexuality, particulary with no proof of it just add up ! And Fernandes was not alone singing ....he should not be alone in this.
MAH, I love your dispassionate perspective (referring to your premises, reasons, and grounds). By the way, I hope you are settling in nicely. Nice content, crystal clear video, sweet new studio. Great production. 👍
Feel sorry for decent Chelsea fans like Mah, when it comes to racist issues why is Chelsea always at the forefront? If it happens once or twice you can deal with it but this has been going for decades
All I'm saying is I think people making it a big deal because it's Enzo. I watched mandem talk on Saeed TV, and Rants said something similar about the French team a few weeks back and everyone was laughing there butts off. He used pogba as an example and others. I ain't saying it's right, but keep the same energy when it comes to people you make content with.
Exactly. Cuti Romero, Garnacho, Alvarez, and Mac Allister is there and singing that song too and why they didn’t face any scrutiny as well?? And the French also wanted to act like they’re mad while they’re themselves doing that whenever the France national team loses. Even Benzema said it himself that when he scored, he’s French but when he don’t, he’s an Arab. Not to mentioned the whole football climate in French football is very racists while you have Christophe Galtier openly said that he hated coaching black people and Muslims and Antoine Kombuare openly stated that he won’t play Muslim players during Ramadan is laughable to me 😂
@@Trapattoni21antoine kombouare said he tries his best to adapt his players to Ramadan requirements But due to hectic schedule, some have to fast on match days which lead to insufficient strength for the match So he can't play them. Not sure if this is a better characterization of his stance
@@kingseiryu929 when you got guys like Salah and Benzema scoring goals for fun during Ramadan and even Kante and Rudiger winning the CL and Kante became arguably the best CM in the world during that time as well and Rudiger locking down everyone during that time too, not to mentioned there are lots of journal studying this specific case that proved otherwise, there’s literally no excuse for him doing what he did 😂
Mah has a weird relationship with Saaed, its like he's contractually have to include him in videos when absolutely no one wants to hear from him or care for his opinions
@@Matt-fe6wu Yep. I seriously cannot grasp how that Saeed fellow even has a following. He's a stain not only on the club he supports but on the entire footballing fraternity.
Matisse thank you for this video. People are often more uncomfortable with being accused of racism that they will blindly defend blatant racism. I wish more people understood racism as well as you clearly do. We have a long way to go but videos like these push us in the right direction.
If you think that song is racist then the problem is more that you and people who think the same don't know what racist means, you all need to pick up a dictionary if you're crying about something that is soo far from racism and making it a big thing when it's a just stupid taunt at a team and overrated player. Mbappe puts down south America all the time and no one calls it racist then, why? Is it cuz he happens to be black? Pfft! Get over it and stop being such hypocrites 😒
Mourinho stated facts there , why is it every world cup no african team has ever been a favorite to win or at least even get out of the group yet we have so many african players abroad?Why is that? There should be a limit to be fair for us to be more competitive.We are not saying live here in africa but but at least push the continent with football
Sadly Enzo has always cared about his national team more than our club… remember he wasn’t allowed to go and play for Argentina this past month but he went anyway 😢
I think he wasn't allowed to compete on BOTH Copa America and the Olympics. He needed to choose one because Chelsea wanted for Enzo to start working ASAP with Maresca.
Good video from you Mah. The issue is that I'm not hearing anything from the other Argentine players or clubs regarding this. Enzo was wrong. Very wrong but to pin everything on him and excuse the others is wrong and won't solve the bigger issue.
Good on you for putting more eyes on the situation MAH, can't be easy to go through but you're doing the right thing. No player or fan of football should tolerate awful stuff like this. Every fan of every team should condemn discrimination when it happens or nothing changes.
Literally not a big deal it's just a popular fan song. A bit of banter he apologised. Move on. Why make it a big deal. I'm a dual citizen too stop being so sensitive
it's a big deal when every PL game starts with one knee on the ground. that's why if you choose to live and play football in England you need respect its cultures towards racism in football and its attempt to get rid of it. everyone in the world knows it fucked up to make fun of someone race even if it's a song, Enzo was stupid to be live vs the other players.
@@moemalekafzaly nothing in that song makes fun of anyone's race. Partey literally raped someone and didn't get this much heat. He sang a song on a bus with his teammates lol stop making a big deal out of nothing
I bet a lot of arsenal fans want him gone it's an elephant in the room that's my point. arsenal kept it quiet which is the wrong also, its educating and making sure it does not happen again. maybe arsenal did that with partey. not saying Enzo is a lost cause just hope he learns from this basically, what u are saying is just because one club covers it up something wrong is fine. it's not.
@@moemalekafzaly arsenal told him in private don't rape again while the manager publicly defended him ??? Idiot 😂😂😂 can't take you seriously. Respectfully be quiet
Are Argentinas racist 🤔. So is all of Europe, America, Asia & Arabs.What Enzo said we have been saying this in Africa for years. AFRICA WON THE WORLD CUP & EUROS, not the French. I as a bkack African, do not find it as racism. Did he say the n word or you black c__t. He has apologise so let's move on. France & the French president are in their feelings because truthfully they know what they did & still do in AFRICA. They don't want to open a big can of worms that is bigger than what Enzo said.
@@Leverett946 Few people know, but Native Americans have around 30% archaic Caucasian blood, from northeastern Eurasia, + Polynesian DNA, so a mixed race of Amerindian and European will look more southern European, Leandro Walles, Argentina's teammate, is His mother is literally from the Guarani indigenous tribe of Paraguay, he is 50% Amerindian and even so he has fair skin, blue eyes, etc., the Amerindian mix is very different from the African mix
if you remember they made fun of Alexis MacAlister for his last name and hair until Messi told the rest of the team to stop. its sad hopefully something will change
@@DaGabbaGangsta think about it, his father was an argentine international and the team still made fun of him of him for being ginger and having Irish ancestry (hence the Gaelic name MacAllister.) What does that have to say about the Argentinian national team?
@@DaGabbaGangsta you are right abt his dad , Mac Alister was very offended at bn called ginger white . Messi called a team meeting and told everyone to stop calling him that name and they all stopped . Hope that
Sorry guys it's a racist chant although true. All those guys were born in France and are not white. Griezman whose parents are Portuguese is never called out for not being French because he is white. The song negates those players birthright simply because they are not white.
imagine the French FA suing Argentina's national team for racial remarks and Enzo, coming hours later, apologizing for being racist and some of his sexuals still deny he was ever racist even after he apologized for his racial remarks.
Seriously, Europeans are crying about "racism"? Hypocrites. They still have colonies, military bases, e.g. Malvinas (Falklands), threatening Argentina and France in the north of Brazil. Aren't they worried that there were people interned in the final? Are they worried about what our players said in private? Hypocrites
imagine thinking something is racist when nowhere in the video did they call black people names , or thought they were superior to black people or degraded black people, its literally about the french football team and if they want to deny their roots thats on them. But when people call out the Scottish rugby team for having a bunch of south africans its just banter right.
@@DyNamiC_PulsEWhat has Argentina success got to do with France? They should of kept their name out of their 🤬 mouth. Rich Argentine ballers with no sense. That’s what money can do to people.
Also have argentinians forgotten that most of them are descendenants from spanish conquest of south america and they have the audacity to chant a racist song about peoples origins? Its very bizarre from Argentina to act in that way when many of them were born in argentina because of the spanish. Ofc some are native to the lands but yeah. Enzo need to man up and take the consequences. Racism in general is bad, doesnt matter if its from western or south American, clearly argentina has a lot of work to do.
No. Trust me we haven't forgotten. I come from italian family. We don't see it as a bad thing, in fact we are very proud of our cultural heritage. Everyone recognizes from where their last name is from. If you ask anyone they will tell you that and maybe even the whole story of how their great grandfathers arrived at the port of Buenos Aires.
I think you don't understand what you're talking about. All our players were born in Argentina except for Garnacho who was born in Spain. His grandparents' parents came to Argentina, because we received a lot of immigration, especially European, during the war periods. The song is not racist or xenophobic, the song refers to the fact that a large part of the Feancese players are from colonies that France still has in Africa (where it guts the African people, such as by imposing a currency that France itself gives them to stay with a tax on it). The song seeks to visualize that these players are mostly not French and that France steals football power from African teams by stealing them for their own team.
So much respect for how you’ve detailed the lack of education and how much work ppl need to do to understand what racist actions do to us and harm the game.
People seem to always say 'its just light hearted chants, back in the day they werent that sensitive', bro back in the day hooligans used to have all out turf wars for singing chants, including in Argentina, still do now in fact. When Black people get offended you basically tell them to shut up, racism at its finest
@@FubuDon Let me explain to you why it is. People never use this logic on white players. Nobody calls out messi for playing for Argentina. Nobody calls out James Rodriguez for playing for Colombia, nobody calls out Griezmann for playing for France, or Giroud, or Lloris. None of these players are ethnically French, yet nobody ever calls them out. How many indigenous players play for Australian teams, North American teams, South American teams? Almost none. Yet none are ever called out. It's always singled out to be black European players with African ethnicity. This is why it's not xenophobic, and it's racism. If the only time it's ever an issue is when it's a black player being discussed, then it goes past being xenophobic. That same team has numerous white players not of French origin, and none of them are ever mentioned, but the black players with African origin are always called out. See what I'm getting at? If this is hard for you to understand, then you simply do not want to understand it.
@@melosivitch I get what you're saying. However before this the argument was that if it wasn't for African players France wouldn't have been enjoying all this success. This was even the argument going around during the world cup. The issue is that Argentina have spun this argument in a negative way. This wasn't the argument before the world cup about calling out black and white about their origins. I wouldn't say it's racism but what Argentina is doing is basically stripping these players of their place of origins or home. What you're saying is correct but this wasn't the argument prior to the world cup.
Im from Sub-Saharan Africa. That chant wasn't racist but it's banter. However, it's unnecessary and unwarranted banter because Argentina did not play France recently or in the Copa America. They messed up by posting it online as well!
MAH, you're a top guy and I love your content...but it must be tiring supporting a club constantly associated with racism, either players or fans. My barber is a chelsea fan and has told me the amount of racist shit he hears in the stands...mad
@kingseiryu929 beyond your lazy casual racism. He recalled when Sterling was taking a free kick and he heard alot of discriminatory comments about him, his colour etc. I've personally also been on a train when chelsea fans were traveling to west ham and heard of alot of racist crap. Your club has a problem and to be honest always has
My respect to you! Your speaking about your team your players about a serious topic. No many others are doing this i know we cant assume who was a part of this but wuat about Mac, Garnacho, Martinez, Alvarez these other players in most cases like this they all participate in the actions.
Being black from a former French colony and having grown up in Latin America, I do understand some of the player's reaction. I also understand Jackson's reaction. The song restates what has been said by many French politicians and part of the population. So for the French players it is a bigger issue , it is very personal. Does that mean that Enzo is racist, I don't think so. Enzo displayed more a lack of maturity and understanding. I was not pleased by the song but not overly offended either; nor surprised. I saw it more as a lack of class which is common in many areas in society. The same way we understand the people offended, we should not disregard Jackson's opinion. Jackson comes from Latin America and has a better understanding of the Argentinian culture. I would say that world wide Jackson attitude might be more common than one might think. Let's hope that all parties involved will sit down and use some empathy before passing judgment one way or the other.
@@pauladdae3130 Keep in mind they weren't the only country that provided safe heaven to Nazi war criminals the US, UK, Canada did. Just to name a few countries. Having been to Argentina, I felt less racism compare to many other western European countries.
Jackson is not Latino, He’s Senegambian - West African. You may be mixing him with Caicedo. Jacksons attitude originates because he is ignorant of the dynamics and discrimination African descent players experienced growing up in Europe. Don’t use his ignorance to justify anything further.
@@georgesandrelouis142 historically, the overwhelming majority of Nazi war fugitives fled to Argentina. Conduct more research. See the books of Wiesenthal (1989), Rein (2020), Goñi (2022) and importantly, Steinacher (2012: 211) in his book Nazis on the Run.
If you claim you grew up in South America like I did, you would know of Argentina's racist past. Argentinas population was one third African descendants before its leaders decided they wanted a white nation and proceeded with the genocide of the Argentinians of African descent. They systematically killed all the African descendants and replaced them with Italian immigrants. So you could say the Argentines are Italians as they came to Argentina in droves for better opportunity just like the Africans did in France. But somehow the Africans born in France are somehow not French but the Italians who migrated to Argentina are Argentinian. It's quite ridiculous to think that these chants were some sort of positive support for French players of African descent. They weren't even playing France so why even be chanting about them after beating Columbia. It's just straight racism and directly in line with pervasive racist though permeating Argentina society.
If only we all can agree that this incident is irreversible, and the aggrieved needs to reconcile with their colleague and move on, the better peace prevail, this is not the end of life, I would be happy if we can put in this same energy to tell the same countries to stop exploiting and imposing their policies in Africa, they created the system of racism, now they want to chop off one person for a video chant.
If anyone thinks blk chelsea palyers will respect enzo or simply forget about...are delusional. Im not a chel fan but they should be compensated somehow. Spending huge money for a clear and blatant racist is unfair on your club.
@jummah What compensation? What he said was wrong but reparations. When there is videos of French players being racist to Asians, Antoine Griezman black face. And Mbappe basically calling out a whole continent that their football sucks.
@brosinarms1470 As far as i know, griezman and mbappe don't play for chelsea. Chelsea spent huge money on a player who is from now on, never going to have respect from some of his teammates. That's not the clubs fault. He's burnt his bridges he really has.
@@jummah... The song is meant to be racists towards the French. If you don’t speak Spanish it’s alright so you may not understand the song itself and the context. If the blk players from Chelsea deserve reparations than Vini Jr deserves compensation from almost all La Liga teams because their fans are extremely racist toward him.
I think this has more to do with the fact Mbappe called South American football undeveloped which is something shared by a lot of Europeans about other continental cups. The song points out the irony/ hipocracy of having a national team filled with Africans or children of African parents and having that mindset. Was the song meant to be hurtful towards them especially Mbappe, yes, but I don't think it's racist.
I mean let’s be honest we shouldn’t hide our hand. Through multiculturalism like France which I’m fully for we have a national team full of players who can play for other countries not just black players either white aswell. Rice grealish I think kane aswell are Irish not by birth but through blood. Same with Guehi Saka Mainoo Sterling. Them English didn’t have a problem calling them black this and that last time round & that doesn’t speak for everyone. I know it’s players vs fans and it’s completely different but I agree you can’t tell someone when or how to be offended.
I am Argentine and I am going to give my opinion as someone closer to the soccer culture that Enzo comes from. The main problem with the issue in my opinion is that the ways and means of experiencing soccer in Latin America and the rest of the world are very different and that generates friction and misunderstandings. In Argentina it is very common for soccer songs to be as provocative and offensive as possible in order to annoy the rival, it is something that is widely accepted and here it is taken as the soccer "folklore" of the country. Does that mean it's okay? Not necessarily, many times the lyrics of these songs are very inappropriate (as is the case) and it is perfectly understandable that someone outside of this culture feels offended. In this controversy, Enzo and those who were present with him were wrong, especially because they are the representatives of the national team and they are supposed to set an example. Now, we must also take into account the context, they had just emerged as champions, possibly high on alcohol and in the football context that I mentioned, therefore classifying a player as racist for a football song that I am sure does not reflect What he really thinks seems very disproportionate to me. On the other hand, it makes me indignant that many come to speak to us with moral superiority when many of those who criticize what happened did the same or worse things at other times. Sorry if something was not understood, I used Google Translate :)
So this is Argentine culture! It is good that people question this. History shows us that my black ancestors were systematically decimated in Argentina, unlike in any other part of the Americas. Argentina has always been the most racist country in Latin America. Check the history of the country if you don't believe me. Hence, racism has been normalised. It is high time that those who feel these are part of culture be made to understand that this can not be considered right. It is more than the Argentinian players. Just find out what happened to a high-ranking Argentinian official who condemned this and was asked to resign. Sometimes, we need to examine culture as it is not always right and just a way for masking bigotry, inequality, injustice, and our own ineptitude and lack of self and humanity.
@@anthonyalcindor4643 I agree that we have to change things as a society and it is true that we have to consider that perhaps not everything is valid in football, but what I am saying is that deep down we were never really interested in ethnicity or skin color. of people and if you say that Argentina is a racist country, I am sure that you have never visited Argentina. Historically, this country received people from all over and welcomed them when they needed it most and we never closed the door to immigrants who come to our soil for a better quality of life. We even provide them with health and public education like any citizen born in Argentina (something that only happens in this country). Obviously we have things to improve and it is true that there is a certain degree of racism in some senses, but on social networks they do not want to leave Argentina as if it were the most racist country in the universe and it really is not.
I've been called not of the same nation even by my own countrymen, let alone a different nation. So I totally get this. I still don't think this chant was racism, even if still inappropriate. The racism thing is overblown. Now having said that, yes Enzo was totally a stupid inexcusably naive man to be live streaming the whole thing knowing well what they sing in football chants and which club he plays for. Re-education is more necessary than a fine IMO. Cultural contexts are quite often misinterpreted. I've seen enough acceptable things on the internet which I wouldn't even think about typing. But that doesn't imply the other person is necessarily 'bad'. Things aren't binary. Also this incident has made me wonder if half our 'Chelsea' fanbase even know what we sing about when we chant Frank Lampard scoring 200 for us. Because if so, then this noise should have been made earlier.
I love your well measured and context driven response here. It's so composed and you have provided such a constructive analysis of this situation. Subscribed.
The song is offensive, but the way the issue is being addressed might be wrong. One thing is to raise awareness on racist chants, another thing is to take a exec-behind the counter approach to it, with fines, cancellation, shaming, or lay-offs. Controlling speech institutionally was already tried in South America and has led to massive crimes against humanity, so we might be worried about the proportionality of the remedy that might be offered. This is something to be talked in the locker room, and to be retorted by French fans in the pitch with their chants. Chanting in Argentina has a highly cultural connotation, where politically incorrect banter is accepted, but it stops there. You won't find an Argentinean player actually supporting or exerting acts of segregation, since by these chants we also fight against corruption and oppression. Moreover Argentina has also received banter in this sense: gauchos, hungryentinos, poor, drug-addicts, and so on, but we haven't raised the voice saying they amount to racism, because we don't perceive it that way. If anything, this chant is a recognition of rivalry, and the former world champions are more than worthy rivals.
They're too thick to realize maybe not everyone in the world approaches race in the same way. It's easier and cheaper to cancel a poor lad from the Third World.
With all due respect, i saw no issue with the song until i started seeing racist tags flying around. This racism thing can be quite subjective, in my opinion. One could call me a monkey and I'll feel nothing about it. Someone else would. Let's stop giving power to these things else it won't go away.
Very true! They has no issue when calling their PM Indian! Our ethnicity is a matter of pride, why get offended. It was a football song just banter nothing racist! This is just adding useless fuel to something unintentional. The world knows how racist British tabloids are!
I understand your sentiment. In this situation, however, the people targeted in the chant (Kounde, Fofana) felt very offended. I don’t think we’re in the position as well to tell people how hey feel
@genisees anyone can feel offended about anything said to them. But they shouldn't turn it into a political warfare by claiming it's racist and expecting a general punishment from footballing bodies
Think it is quite relevant that some of the Argentinian players like Messi and Mac Allister were not on the bus as has been reported by journalists in Argentina….can’t tar them all with the same brush when they weren’t even there…that’s not fair either
So if everything would be the same, but the players would be white instead of black - would it still be racist? Because the song was not about skin color??
@@abzda1700because they weren't pointing out players(apart from mbappe for other reasons obviously). 90% of the french team is black, hence they only spoke about black players in general
@@TheTrympeten 1) The Argentinian FA would need to publicly take responsibility, implement strong policies for dealing with workplace culture (they clearly don't have a respectful workplace), where education, training and disciplinary actions are clearly defined. 2) The Argentinian FA needs to have campaigns to educate their fans and also clearly define what the discipline will be for fans who are racists in or around stadiums. 3) The Argentinian FA needs to discipline ALL the players in the bus. The discipline would include a) a public apology, in person, on camera, at a press conference, b) that all the players in the bus apologize to their club teammates, in person, c) all the players in the bus need to be banned for a minimum of 3 international and 3 club games. A second offense would be 15 games ban
Mah.. There are rumors That song was created after Argentina won the WC.. It just wasn't recorded... I guess they just sung it again out of feeling in a celebratory mode. If this is right.. The fact that they sung that song before . It means his apology means nothing... He is sorry they got cought this time. I don't think he's team mates can trust him again.ل
@@Eliasss077 😂😂😂 if Fofana or the French national team wanna make a chant out of those allegations I would be like FAIR PLAY they got jokes, but nah they won't
@@nachogamer4212 yea exactly, I don't think it was racist at all 😂 insensitive maybe but I don't think they would be angry if the French made the same jokes about them either
Hi. I am a brown man. Can you please explain what exactly is offensive? The song was about someone’s origin. Is that racism? I am not sure. Just news cycle.
I love how you just completely disregard Jackson’s opinion on the situation and label him as an idiot. He obviously has different feelings as an African.
U are sadly misplaced….Argentina has by far….leaps and bounds…been a more successful footballing nation than France.The trophies and accolades speak for themselves.Not to mention,producing two players- Messi & Maradona- that are in the GOAT conversation. As insensitive as it was,what sparked the chant were Mbappe’s comments about the quality of football in South America as a whole,compared to Europe and that was their way of getting back at him….
A song about race was their way of getting back at him? I fully get what you're saying but one gave his thoughts on football, how does that transcend to race?@@joegrinefine
Very well put. I enjoyed the way this was structured to help people understand the context before addressing the actual topic. It can be so exhausting to always have to be the bigger person. As a black person when someone says some offensive and you call them out people, often, get defensive and tell those who are offended to calm down because they have said sorry and it’s in the past. But like you said why should anyone tell another person how to react to something that has offended them. The state of the Argentine squad tells you how much racism exists there and I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a “no blacks” sign over the door to the national team. I hope many people see this video and are inspired to do better when it comes to standing up against racism and other injustice they witness
So because Nico doesn’t think Enzo’s racist and posts something in support of his teammate who’s now being persecuted because of his dumb action he isn’t the smartest tool in the shed but in the same vain you want to tell people how they should react to this?
Disrespectful for you to call Jackson "not the sharpest", no body should be forced to feel in a certain way. He is entitled to feel in a way that he does. He is also black too. Probably he knows that Enzo isn't really a racist bcoz he has spend a year with him. I believe it was a moment of madness, getting caught up in the euphoria of the celebration. Thats why context is important in all this.
I love what you said about Jackson 😂😂😂 Jackson is brainless He’s just glad to fit in. Seeing him do this makes me feel we still need a mature striker 😣😣😣🩵💙
As a black person, I waited to hear your take on this incident. I was relieved that you didn't excuse Enzo's racism as harmless banter as some people have done. My respect for you has grown because you didn't do this. It is clear to me that Enzo is a racist, this doesn't mean that his football ability is any worse or better as a consequence.
In no way do i condone what Enzo and the Argentina squad did but I’m curious why you didn’t talk about the France squad basically calling Messi a cheat in their song after they won the World Cup!
This is fake news it's not that difficult to translate the original song : "Kante is small, he is nice, he stopped Leo Messi but we know he is a cheater (when playing cards)".
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Just wanted to add, that as someone of dual nationality. Fofana (born in France) would have with his background. It can be tough to have a sense of belonging. Not having a strong connection to your parents/grandparents home country (even though you love that nation) and not feeling connected to your birth place when your questioned / doubted to be “French” in this case even though that’s all Wesley knows. It can leave you in a grey area / emptiness. I have that with England / Jamaica often. Those who feel super attached to a nation or there’s less confusion probably don’t get it. But it’s another factor to consider why somebody would be offended/ hurt.
same bro. Different ethnicity to you, but as someone once said: too foreign for home, too foreign for here, never enough for both. People who have to try to live in both worlds get it. There's not enough of you to go around.
A muchos Argentinos o hispanos les pasa ese sentimiento qué describis. Enzo es un muchachos fanfarron con plata e ignorancia. Le falta educación fuera de su país.
I agree Matisse. Everyone deserves a sense of belonging and it shouldn't be questioned based on one's ethnic background.
❌Enzo chant was not racist 🤷♀️
Is like when many of these pundits during World Cup cliticized Qatar for nationalizing many of its players for the tournament 🤷♀️ The French r cheaters🤏They steal other countries players with money 🤏
what’s racist about the chant?
This is why Matisse will be one of the few TH-camrs who will be around for a long, long time. He always approaches talking points with perspective, always adds informed/educated nuance to his viewpoints, and always puts things in their proper context. Even more than that, he doesn’t say things for shock value and doesn’t get up in the drama of a serious issue like that. Keep being a man of reason.
So true
if he stops constantly gulping agreed
Bruh you ridin this mans dick so hard 😂
He's a GOAT
I’m not a Chelsea fan but love this guy though.
Entitlement, many Argentinians say Enzo was only saying facts, did the players on the bus mention Griezmann who is not of a French heritage, or Theo and Lucas Hernandez who are Spanish, or the French center backs playing for Spain, or Jorginho playing for Italy when he’s Brazilian, when Deco played for Portugal, nobody cares then, it’s only a problem with the players of African descent, it’s really hypocritical, if we use the Argentinian logic, the Albiceleste would be just like the French, there would be no national team because 95% of the players of Italian ancestry
I think you don't understand what you're talking about. All our players were born in Argentina except for Garnacho who was born in Spain. His grandparents' parents came to Argentina, because we received a lot of immigration, especially European, during the war periods. The song is not racist or xenophobic, the song refers to the fact that a large part of the Feancese players are from colonies that France still has in Africa (where it guts the African people, such as by imposing a currency that France itself gives them to stay with a tax on it). The song seeks to visualize that these players are mostly not French and that France steals football power from African teams by stealing them for their own team.
That is the BS we do not need in this world , the Spain center backs are French yet not targeted because this was mainly about being black
@@guillermodangelo5856😂😂😂 you think are dumb enough to accept that gaslighting??
@@guillermodangelo5856 Just Like Most Of These French African Players' Grandparents And Parents Came From French Colonies In Africa. Some Of These Players Family Members Fought The Nazis In The French Military During World War 2. Others Were Brought In By The French Government To Help Rebuild France After The War. Or Some Groups Just Came To France Simply As Immigrants (Just Like Most Of These NON NATIVE ARGENTINE Players Parents). Just Like You Mentioned, The Argentinian Players Being Born In Argentina, Almost All The Black Players from France Were Born In FRANCE As Well.
@@guillermodangelo5856you need to read properly before copying and pasting all over the comment section. Platini and Ginola are two of france's best players and they are from Italian heritage. Just 2 of the French black players were not born in France. What part of that information do you not understand?
Respect for talking when it's easier to shy away.
Relax
Exactly.@@xperialmemphis6039
To many are shying away. Especially the Argentine Official Accounts and the other team members.
Not really, it's easy for especially bIac guys to cover it, cuz they're the good guys in this. It's way harder for wite guys who are the bad guys in this, that's why almost no wite content creators touched it
Its free content
There is simply is no excuse from Enzo or the rest of the team... it was deliberate
@@BeanieDoggerson no excuse for saying trues?
@@BeanieDoggerson theres nothing to excuse about, just a chant singing trues… what’s wrong?
@@BeanieDoggerson the only bad thing about this,its to face his temmmates, is the most important thing. The rest of the world doen'ns matter, the chant is the truth,racist is to be offended and denied who people are, or they herytage
Enzo Fernandez isn't sorry for his actions, he is sorry he got caught.
We don't care
He filmed it you 🔔🔚
he filmed it 😂😂 wtf are you talking abt. nothing is racist abt the chant
Literally? But it’s known for a while now a lot of Argentines are racist
@@let_off_slugs Look at u being ignorant in another comment section. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
“Real Argentine” with Italian, Spanish & German grandparents 🤣 drop me out
Bro macca is literally Italian 😂😂
Those *are* real Argentines.
The thing is Argentinians aren’t ashamed to be called Italian or German it’s the French who are offended by being called Africans looks like they are ashamed for being called Africans
@@4Irico5 no the problem is this chant wasn’t about French players in total it was about black French players
Players like greizmann who is part German they didn’t sign anything towards him there is a clear intent in the song towards the black players and a certain mbappe
@@4Irico5you’re mistaking, they are not offended, it is the way the Argentinians sing and the intention behind : what are they trying to mean ? Really mean ? What is the point ? That French are cheaters ? That French are not French because their parents are from another country ? That we do not deserve what we achieved ? Tell this to the French players, they will tell they ARE French, this is how they grew up. And havinh a bunch of ignorant racist guys coming and say : you’re not French, your mother is from here and your father from there… yooo this is stupid and childish uneducated statement !!!! This reflects Argentina and their poor people with a low level of education and bad behaviour. Just look at their President….
Enzo literally forgot he is playing with 75% black players and some are French don’t players actually undergo media training
Probably wants out of Chelsea.
Chelsea fans want him out.
White life's matter 😂😂
@@dalek3086 No
Probably Don't talk to them, respect them
“It’s the history of the Chelsea” - Thatcher
Thatcher?
Yeah so all the players on the bus play for Chelsea huh
Profile pic checks out
@@drex5160😂
@@RasenRendanXChelsea is a known racist club
I follow about 6 chelsea content creators,big names..all of them are just beating around the bush about this issue.Big ups for being real bruh💯
he is under investigation not charged so what must they do bash him and bring him down ... no one bashed and bring down terry on Ferdinand and suarez with evra
@@lorenzorobinson8473 Why lie? Many people dragged those players, you must’ve been under a rock back then.. Stop deflecting!
Cause they are white
3 former Mbappé teammates, and a bunch of players playing with black French players, all singing that crap. Shameful.
Absolutely disgusting
Who are the 3?
@@bdpat100 the french sings more disgusting crap this chant has nothing racist unless ppl are ashamed of their ethnic background.
@@cannotthinkofanybetterhandlemessi Di Maria paredes
When you research Argentina and other parts of South America and their ‘difference’ to the rest of the western hemisphere, you’d realize that’s their default programming
The apology is an AI generated one.
Jackson post is giving “ I’m not racist I got a black friend”.
No it's not, that would need to come from Enzo for that to be the focus. Jackson is merely stating that "As a black African, I'v been around Enzo every day for over a year, and I have never seen him display this sort of act of racism". People call others dumb, but don't hate all who can't speak, they use the term P*ssy, or b*tch, without hating all women, gay, without hating all homosexuals. Words come out by mistake in the heat of the moment, focus on how these people treat the group in question in interactions instead.
That was a fake account 😂
@@granth1238this song is pretty different to using those words, but I agree with your general sentiment and what you’re getting at
@@absolutespoon2074 personally I feel those insults are worse than the words in the song but I’m not black so not gonna tell them how they should feel. For me, I guess I prefer not to automatically label people for one wrongdoing. Others are happy to, that’s their prerogative.
Was taking a break from football and its content. This was serious and got me mad. Big Up Matisse for the realness
He's proper Chelsea... right at home.
This made me laugh and I shouldn’t lol
Tribalism aside. Mad respect for making the video and keeping it real
'its not your shot to call, its not your trigger to pull' went so hard
If Enzo is serious about sorting this mess out he takes the next privat jet to London. Shows up at Cobham and talk to all players and the gaffer face to face. If he thinks his holydays are more important then he has shown his true colors. Its not about he made a huge mistakte. Its about how a grown up men with a wife and 2 kids handles his mistakes.
No apology will be acceptable for anyone from the Argentina squad.first they meant everything that was said because France wasn’t in the copa so why singing that at that time. They are so racist and don’t like black peoples that’s it
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agree. as Arg i am disgusted, though i cannot expect people outside Arg understand the actual meaning of what that shitty song says. It is not racist, as it tries to say France is taking advantage of these situations only. It does not mention anything negative about blacks/Africans. But… it is the line of Mbappe the one which can give him more trouble.
Lol
@@martin1966the song targeted the black players only, not a words of players with spanish German or italian descent. The racial angle is clear coz it implies that they are not really french. Attacking someone on his sexuality, particulary with no proof of it just add up ! And Fernandes was not alone singing ....he should not be alone in this.
MAH, I love your dispassionate perspective (referring to your premises, reasons, and grounds). By the way, I hope you are settling in nicely. Nice content, crystal clear video, sweet new studio. Great production. 👍
Well done for speaking out. Couldn't agree anymore with everything you've said. This can't be "brushed under the carpet"
Feel sorry for decent Chelsea fans like Mah, when it comes to racist issues why is Chelsea always at the forefront? If it happens once or twice you can deal with it but this has been going for decades
Chelsea always were the club of Tories Russian criminals and racists, don't know why any black man would support them.
All I'm saying is I think people making it a big deal because it's Enzo. I watched mandem talk on Saeed TV, and Rants said something similar about the French team a few weeks back and everyone was laughing there butts off. He used pogba as an example and others. I ain't saying it's right, but keep the same energy when it comes to people you make content with.
Exactly. Cuti Romero, Garnacho, Alvarez, and Mac Allister is there and singing that song too and why they didn’t face any scrutiny as well?? And the French also wanted to act like they’re mad while they’re themselves doing that whenever the France national team loses. Even Benzema said it himself that when he scored, he’s French but when he don’t, he’s an Arab. Not to mentioned the whole football climate in French football is very racists while you have Christophe Galtier openly said that he hated coaching black people and Muslims and Antoine Kombuare openly stated that he won’t play Muslim players during Ramadan is laughable to me 😂
@@Trapattoni21antoine kombouare said he tries his best to adapt his players to Ramadan requirements
But due to hectic schedule, some have to fast on match days which lead to insufficient strength for the match
So he can't play them. Not sure if this is a better characterization of his stance
@@kingseiryu929 when you got guys like Salah and Benzema scoring goals for fun during Ramadan and even Kante and Rudiger winning the CL and Kante became arguably the best CM in the world during that time as well and Rudiger locking down everyone during that time too, not to mentioned there are lots of journal studying this specific case that proved otherwise, there’s literally no excuse for him doing what he did 😂
Mah has a weird relationship with Saaed, its like he's contractually have to include him in videos when absolutely no one wants to hear from him or care for his opinions
@@Matt-fe6wu Yep. I seriously cannot grasp how that Saeed fellow even has a following. He's a stain not only on the club he supports but on the entire footballing fraternity.
Feel sorry for all Chelsea fans who are against this
never feel sorry for a chelsea fan.
"They're racist they're racist, and that's the way they like it."
Matisse thank you for this video. People are often more uncomfortable with being accused of racism that they will blindly defend blatant racism.
I wish more people understood racism as well as you clearly do. We have a long way to go but videos like these push us in the right direction.
If you think that song is racist then the problem is more that you and people who think the same don't know what racist means, you all need to pick up a dictionary if you're crying about something that is soo far from racism and making it a big thing when it's a just stupid taunt at a team and overrated player. Mbappe puts down south America all the time and no one calls it racist then, why? Is it cuz he happens to be black? Pfft! Get over it and stop being such hypocrites 😒
Thank you MAH.
Well said
Mourinho stated facts there , why is it every world cup no african team has ever been a favorite to win or at least even get out of the group yet we have so many african players abroad?Why is that? There should be a limit to be fair for us to be more competitive.We are not saying live here in africa but but at least push the continent with football
Because african teams are bad at football. The african talent is all over africa. Not just one or two countries.
What exactly is mourinho's point?
@@blackmantis3130 Why are african countries less competitive yet france won the world cup with an 11 full of them
@@TChAriv1 and who's fault is that?
@@TChAriv1NOT all.of them...
My thoughts on this is that our season is fucked
Yeah that rocker room it’s fucked
enzo about to rock jaws
Been waiting for this one! Thank you for speaking on it and not shying away from it 💯 big respect Mah
Excellent analysis of the situation. Enzo must be held accountable for his abhorrent action by the club.
This was on camera during a live! Can you imagine what was off camera
mans been here refreshing the channel 😂 glad you responded
Sadly Enzo has always cared about his national team more than our club… remember he wasn’t allowed to go and play for Argentina this past month but he went anyway 😢
I think he wasn't allowed to compete on BOTH Copa America and the Olympics. He needed to choose one because Chelsea wanted for Enzo to start working ASAP with Maresca.
Most players care about their national team over their club team it’s not uncommon
@@holdonimunconsciousbrother but a true Chelsea fan, can u accept players like him to be bigger than our club?
Good video from you Mah.
The issue is that I'm not hearing anything from the other Argentine players or clubs regarding this. Enzo was wrong. Very wrong but to pin everything on him and excuse the others is wrong and won't solve the bigger issue.
It is just Argentina, they have been doing this forever.
Good on you for putting more eyes on the situation MAH, can't be easy to go through but you're doing the right thing. No player or fan of football should tolerate awful stuff like this. Every fan of every team should condemn discrimination when it happens or nothing changes.
Literally not a big deal it's just a popular fan song. A bit of banter he apologised. Move on. Why make it a big deal. I'm a dual citizen too stop being so sensitive
it's a big deal when every PL game starts with one knee on the ground. that's why if you choose to live and play football in England you need respect its cultures towards racism in football and its attempt to get rid of it. everyone in the world knows it fucked up to make fun of someone race even if it's a song, Enzo was stupid to be live vs the other players.
@@moemalekafzaly nothing in that song makes fun of anyone's race. Partey literally raped someone and didn't get this much heat. He sang a song on a bus with his teammates lol stop making a big deal out of nothing
I bet a lot of arsenal fans want him gone it's an elephant in the room that's my point. arsenal kept it quiet which is the wrong also, its educating and making sure it does not happen again. maybe arsenal did that with partey. not saying Enzo is a lost cause just hope he learns from this basically, what u are saying is just because one club covers it up something wrong is fine. it's not.
@@moemalekafzaly arsenal told him in private don't rape again while the manager publicly defended him ??? Idiot 😂😂😂 can't take you seriously. Respectfully be quiet
@@kyecypress ok sounds good
REAL Argentine with no REAL NATVE SOUTH AMERICAN lol gve mea break
Enzo is native descendent
Are Argentinas racist 🤔. So is all of Europe, America, Asia & Arabs.What Enzo said we have been saying this in Africa for years. AFRICA WON THE WORLD CUP & EUROS, not the French. I as a bkack African, do not find it as racism. Did he say the n word or you black c__t. He has apologise so let's move on. France & the French president are in their feelings because truthfully they know what they did & still do in AFRICA. They don't want to open a big can of worms that is bigger than what Enzo said.
@@VitorCorrea-lc1gyidk dude looks pretty white😂😂
@@Leverett946 Few people know, but Native Americans have around 30% archaic Caucasian blood, from northeastern Eurasia, + Polynesian DNA, so a mixed race of Amerindian and European will look more southern European, Leandro Walles, Argentina's teammate, is His mother is literally from the Guarani indigenous tribe of Paraguay, he is 50% Amerindian and even so he has fair skin, blue eyes, etc., the Amerindian mix is very different from the African mix
@@Leverett946enzo clearly looks mestizo, wtf 😂.
if you remember they made fun of Alexis MacAlister for his last name and hair until Messi told the rest of the team to stop. its sad hopefully something will change
?? His dad was an Argentine international, his family are footballers, so I've never heard that one before ??
@@DaGabbaGangstaMacAlister sounds argentine to you?
@mortar_12 his dad won a world cup in 86 with argentina, do you know anything about him and his family
@@DaGabbaGangsta think about it, his father was an argentine international and the team still made fun of him of him for being ginger and having Irish ancestry (hence the Gaelic name MacAllister.) What does that have to say about the Argentinian national team?
@@DaGabbaGangsta you are right abt his dad , Mac Alister was very offended at bn called ginger white . Messi called a team meeting and told everyone to stop calling him that name and they all stopped . Hope that
Sorry guys it's a racist chant although true. All those guys were born in France and are not white. Griezman whose parents are Portuguese is never called out for not being French because he is white. The song negates those players birthright simply because they are not white.
Big up you bro! 💯👏🏾
props to mah.. it’s hard to condemn the actions of a player that plays for the team you support…
imagine the French FA suing Argentina's national team for racial remarks and Enzo, coming hours later, apologizing for being racist and some of his sexuals still deny he was ever racist even after he apologized for his racial remarks.
☝🏾My guy nailed it
Seriously, Europeans are crying about "racism"? Hypocrites. They still have colonies, military bases, e.g. Malvinas (Falklands), threatening Argentina and France in the north of Brazil. Aren't they worried that there were people interned in the final? Are they worried about what our players said in private? Hypocrites
Since social network and Messi/Ronaldo, people dont think far anymore. They would defend the worst actions in fanatics way
imagine thinking something is racist when nowhere in the video did they call black people names , or thought they were superior to black people or degraded black people, its literally about the french football team and if they want to deny their roots thats on them. But when people call out the Scottish rugby team for having a bunch of south africans its just banter right.
@@DyNamiC_PulsEWhat has Argentina success got to do with France? They should of kept their name out of their 🤬 mouth. Rich Argentine ballers with no sense. That’s what money can do to people.
Also have argentinians forgotten that most of them are descendenants from spanish conquest of south america and they have the audacity to chant a racist song about peoples origins? Its very bizarre from Argentina to act in that way when many of them were born in argentina because of the spanish. Ofc some are native to the lands but yeah. Enzo need to man up and take the consequences. Racism in general is bad, doesnt matter if its from western or south American, clearly argentina has a lot of work to do.
what was racist
No. Trust me we haven't forgotten. I come from italian family. We don't see it as a bad thing, in fact we are very proud of our cultural heritage. Everyone recognizes from where their last name is from. If you ask anyone they will tell you that and maybe even the whole story of how their great grandfathers arrived at the port of Buenos Aires.
I think you don't understand what you're talking about. All our players were born in Argentina except for Garnacho who was born in Spain. His grandparents' parents came to Argentina, because we received a lot of immigration, especially European, during the war periods. The song is not racist or xenophobic, the song refers to the fact that a large part of the Feancese players are from colonies that France still has in Africa (where it guts the African people, such as by imposing a currency that France itself gives them to stay with a tax on it). The song seeks to visualize that these players are mostly not French and that France steals football power from African teams by stealing them for their own team.
@guillermodangelo5856 same as France
@nachogamer4212 same as French Fricans
No offence but this is the history of Chelsea and minimising racism. Big up to you for speaking out 🙏🏾
So much respect for how you’ve detailed the lack of education and how much work ppl need to do to understand what racist actions do to us and harm the game.
Its a chelsea thing to tear their own players all the time, it states the argentine team were chanting but only Enzo name is so called racist
People seem to always say 'its just light hearted chants, back in the day they werent that sensitive', bro back in the day hooligans used to have all out turf wars for singing chants, including in Argentina, still do now in fact. When Black people get offended you basically tell them to shut up, racism at its finest
Respect to you brother. Big up
This is not new I went to watch the Brazil versus Argentina game years ago It was Crazy.
Imagine apologising for doing something racist and sexist then clinking you’ve never been racist and sexist. No excuses, none what so ever
what was racist or sexist??
Chant was offensive and transphobic not racist.
@@FubuDon🤡🤡🤡
@@FubuDon Let me explain to you why it is. People never use this logic on white players. Nobody calls out messi for playing for Argentina. Nobody calls out James Rodriguez for playing for Colombia, nobody calls out Griezmann for playing for France, or Giroud, or Lloris. None of these players are ethnically French, yet nobody ever calls them out. How many indigenous players play for Australian teams, North American teams, South American teams? Almost none. Yet none are ever called out. It's always singled out to be black European players with African ethnicity. This is why it's not xenophobic, and it's racism. If the only time it's ever an issue is when it's a black player being discussed, then it goes past being xenophobic. That same team has numerous white players not of French origin, and none of them are ever mentioned, but the black players with African origin are always called out. See what I'm getting at? If this is hard for you to understand, then you simply do not want to understand it.
@@melosivitch I get what you're saying. However before this the argument was that if it wasn't for African players France wouldn't have been enjoying all this success. This was even the argument going around during the world cup. The issue is that Argentina have spun this argument in a negative way. This wasn't the argument before the world cup about calling out black and white about their origins. I wouldn't say it's racism but what Argentina is doing is basically stripping these players of their place of origins or home. What you're saying is correct but this wasn't the argument prior to the world cup.
Im from Sub-Saharan Africa. That chant wasn't racist but it's banter. However, it's unnecessary and unwarranted banter because Argentina did not play France recently or in the Copa America. They messed up by posting it online as well!
MAH, you're a top guy and I love your content...but it must be tiring supporting a club constantly associated with racism, either players or fans. My barber is a chelsea fan and has told me the amount of racist shit he hears in the stands...mad
U gotta tell me more stories bro I wanna hear the things your barber heard
@kingseiryu929 beyond your lazy casual racism. He recalled when Sterling was taking a free kick and he heard alot of discriminatory comments about him, his colour etc. I've personally also been on a train when chelsea fans were traveling to west ham and heard of alot of racist crap. Your club has a problem and to be honest always has
Matisse I recommend you for eloquently laying this . MIC DROP.
Big up MAH 👏 Massive respect for this
My respect to you! Your speaking about your team your players about a serious topic. No many others are doing this i know we cant assume who was a part of this but wuat about Mac, Garnacho, Martinez, Alvarez these other players in most cases like this they all participate in the actions.
Being black from a former French colony and having grown up in Latin America, I do understand some of the player's reaction. I also understand Jackson's reaction. The song restates what has been said by many French politicians and part of the population. So for the French players it is a bigger issue , it is very personal. Does that mean that Enzo is racist, I don't think so. Enzo displayed more a lack of maturity and understanding. I was not pleased by the song but not overly offended either; nor surprised. I saw it more as a lack of class which is common in many areas in society. The same way we understand the people offended, we should not disregard Jackson's opinion. Jackson comes from Latin America and has a better understanding of the Argentinian culture. I would say that world wide Jackson attitude might be more common than one might think. Let's hope that all parties involved will sit down and use some empathy before passing judgment one way or the other.
Argentina is a very jingoistic country, and don't forget it was a nation which provided safe-haven to Nazi War criminals after the Second World War.
@@pauladdae3130 Keep in mind they weren't the only country that provided safe heaven to Nazi war criminals the US, UK, Canada did. Just to name a few countries. Having been to Argentina, I felt less racism compare to many other western European countries.
Jackson is not Latino, He’s Senegambian - West African. You may be mixing him with Caicedo.
Jacksons attitude originates because he is ignorant of the dynamics and discrimination African descent players experienced growing up in Europe. Don’t use his ignorance to justify anything further.
@@georgesandrelouis142 historically, the overwhelming majority of Nazi war fugitives fled to Argentina. Conduct more research. See the books of Wiesenthal (1989), Rein (2020), Goñi (2022) and importantly, Steinacher (2012: 211) in his book Nazis on the Run.
If you claim you grew up in South America like I did, you would know of Argentina's racist past. Argentinas population was one third African descendants before its leaders decided they wanted a white nation and proceeded with the genocide of the Argentinians of African descent. They systematically killed all the African descendants and replaced them with Italian immigrants. So you could say the Argentines are Italians as they came to Argentina in droves for better opportunity just like the Africans did in France. But somehow the Africans born in France are somehow not French but the Italians who migrated to Argentina are Argentinian. It's quite ridiculous to think that these chants were some sort of positive support for French players of African descent. They weren't even playing France so why even be chanting about them after beating Columbia. It's just straight racism and directly in line with pervasive racist though permeating Argentina society.
If only we all can agree that this incident is irreversible, and the aggrieved needs to reconcile with their colleague and move on, the better peace prevail, this is not the end of life, I would be happy if we can put in this same energy to tell the same countries to stop exploiting and imposing their policies in Africa, they created the system of racism, now they want to chop off one person for a video chant.
If anyone thinks blk chelsea palyers will respect enzo or simply forget about...are delusional. Im not a chel fan but they should be compensated somehow. Spending huge money for a clear and blatant racist is unfair on your club.
@jummah What compensation? What he said was wrong but reparations. When there is videos of French players being racist to Asians, Antoine Griezman black face. And Mbappe basically calling out a whole continent that their football sucks.
@brosinarms1470 As far as i know, griezman and mbappe don't play for chelsea.
Chelsea spent huge money on a player who is from now on, never going to have respect from some of his teammates. That's not the clubs fault.
He's burnt his bridges he really has.
@@jummah... The song is meant to be racists towards the French. If you don’t speak Spanish it’s alright so you may not understand the song itself and the context. If the blk players from Chelsea deserve reparations than Vini Jr deserves compensation from almost all La Liga teams because their fans are extremely racist toward him.
Enzo got bitten by the curse of social media. Career going downhill from here.
Matisse, God bless you
You love making these videos
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I think this has more to do with the fact Mbappe called South American football undeveloped which is something shared by a lot of Europeans about other continental cups. The song points out the irony/ hipocracy of having a national team filled with Africans or children of African parents and having that mindset. Was the song meant to be hurtful towards them especially Mbappe, yes, but I don't think it's racist.
smart man
It is racist to the core! If they wanted to sing about Mbape they could have done a song about him.
@@Littlevoicedeepwithin they did a song about him and they spoke facts?? he dated a trans✅parents are african but claims to be french✅
I mean let’s be honest we shouldn’t hide our hand. Through multiculturalism like France which I’m fully for we have a national team full of players who can play for other countries not just black players either white aswell. Rice grealish I think kane aswell are Irish not by birth but through blood. Same with Guehi Saka Mainoo Sterling. Them English didn’t have a problem calling them black this and that last time round & that doesn’t speak for everyone. I know it’s players vs fans and it’s completely different but I agree you can’t tell someone when or how to be offended.
Racist undertones, the Africans are not the only ones who play for France, Griezman, theo hernandez
I am Argentine and I am going to give my opinion as someone closer to the soccer culture that Enzo comes from. The main problem with the issue in my opinion is that the ways and means of experiencing soccer in Latin America and the rest of the world are very different and that generates friction and misunderstandings. In Argentina it is very common for soccer songs to be as provocative and offensive as possible in order to annoy the rival, it is something that is widely accepted and here it is taken as the soccer "folklore" of the country. Does that mean it's okay? Not necessarily, many times the lyrics of these songs are very inappropriate (as is the case) and it is perfectly understandable that someone outside of this culture feels offended. In this controversy, Enzo and those who were present with him were wrong, especially because they are the representatives of the national team and they are supposed to set an example. Now, we must also take into account the context, they had just emerged as champions, possibly high on alcohol and in the football context that I mentioned, therefore classifying a player as racist for a football song that I am sure does not reflect What he really thinks seems very disproportionate to me. On the other hand, it makes me indignant that many come to speak to us with moral superiority when many of those who criticize what happened did the same or worse things at other times. Sorry if something was not understood, I used Google Translate :)
Great post! Unfortunately, social media has given everyone the opportunity to display their feelings of (an imagined) moral superiority to others.
So this is Argentine culture! It is good that people question this. History shows us that my black ancestors were systematically decimated in Argentina, unlike in any other part of the Americas. Argentina has always been the most racist country in Latin America. Check the history of the country if you don't believe me. Hence, racism has been normalised. It is high time that those who feel these are part of culture be made to understand that this can not be considered right. It is more than the Argentinian players. Just find out what happened to a high-ranking Argentinian official who condemned this and was asked to resign. Sometimes, we need to examine culture as it is not always right and just a way for masking bigotry, inequality, injustice, and our own ineptitude and lack of self and humanity.
@@anthonyalcindor4643 I agree that we have to change things as a society and it is true that we have to consider that perhaps not everything is valid in football, but what I am saying is that deep down we were never really interested in ethnicity or skin color. of people and if you say that Argentina is a racist country, I am sure that you have never visited Argentina. Historically, this country received people from all over and welcomed them when they needed it most and we never closed the door to immigrants who come to our soil for a better quality of life. We even provide them with health and public education like any citizen born in Argentina (something that only happens in this country). Obviously we have things to improve and it is true that there is a certain degree of racism in some senses, but on social networks they do not want to leave Argentina as if it were the most racist country in the universe and it really is not.
@@David-vb4qt yeah let's not act like Argentina did not systematically eradicate black people
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Respect Matisse.
4:08 exactly. The justification is insane
I've been called not of the same nation even by my own countrymen, let alone a different nation. So I totally get this. I still don't think this chant was racism, even if still inappropriate. The racism thing is overblown.
Now having said that, yes Enzo was totally a stupid inexcusably naive man to be live streaming the whole thing knowing well what they sing in football chants and which club he plays for. Re-education is more necessary than a fine IMO. Cultural contexts are quite often misinterpreted. I've seen enough acceptable things on the internet which I wouldn't even think about typing. But that doesn't imply the other person is necessarily 'bad'. Things aren't binary.
Also this incident has made me wonder if half our 'Chelsea' fanbase even know what we sing about when we chant Frank Lampard scoring 200 for us. Because if so, then this noise should have been made earlier.
I love your well measured and context driven response here.
It's so composed and you have provided such a constructive analysis of this situation.
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I am Ur biggest fan Mah but I don't agree with u on this
The song is offensive, but the way the issue is being addressed might be wrong. One thing is to raise awareness on racist chants, another thing is to take a exec-behind the counter approach to it, with fines, cancellation, shaming, or lay-offs. Controlling speech institutionally was already tried in South America and has led to massive crimes against humanity, so we might be worried about the proportionality of the remedy that might be offered. This is something to be talked in the locker room, and to be retorted by French fans in the pitch with their chants. Chanting in Argentina has a highly cultural connotation, where politically incorrect banter is accepted, but it stops there. You won't find an Argentinean player actually supporting or exerting acts of segregation, since by these chants we also fight against corruption and oppression. Moreover Argentina has also received banter in this sense: gauchos, hungryentinos, poor, drug-addicts, and so on, but we haven't raised the voice saying they amount to racism, because we don't perceive it that way. If anything, this chant is a recognition of rivalry, and the former world champions are more than worthy rivals.
They're too thick to realize maybe not everyone in the world approaches race in the same way. It's easier and cheaper to cancel a poor lad from the Third World.
How are the really Argentine?.
So many of the current team and past players could easily have played for Italy.
Where is Mac Allister last name from?
Bentancur made a racist joke about Son but i didn't see this much outcry. interesting
It is interesting, indeed. We can work out for ourselves why that is, though.
Well said MAH, thank you for your opinion.
With all due respect, i saw no issue with the song until i started seeing racist tags flying around. This racism thing can be quite subjective, in my opinion. One could call me a monkey and I'll feel nothing about it. Someone else would. Let's stop giving power to these things else it won't go away.
Very true! They has no issue when calling their PM Indian! Our ethnicity is a matter of pride, why get offended. It was a football song just banter nothing racist! This is just adding useless fuel to something unintentional. The world knows how racist British tabloids are!
SAME
Playing the victim gives you a lot of power in 2024. Everybody is competing in the oppression olympics.
I understand your sentiment. In this situation, however, the people targeted in the chant (Kounde, Fofana) felt very offended. I don’t think we’re in the position as well to tell people how hey feel
@genisees anyone can feel offended about anything said to them. But they shouldn't turn it into a political warfare by claiming it's racist and expecting a general punishment from footballing bodies
good, measured, analytical take.
i mean, somebody might also need to talk enzo about his national team teammates with their passports vs origin.
Think it is quite relevant that some of the Argentinian players like Messi and Mac Allister were not on the bus as has been reported by journalists in Argentina….can’t tar them all with the same brush when they weren’t even there…that’s not fair either
Messi must be pissed with them
Brilliantly said! Maria Remedios del valle & Jacinto Ventura de Molina.
So if everything would be the same, but the players would be white instead of black - would it still be racist? Because the song was not about skin color??
So why not call out griezman
They didn't mention Griezmann or Hernandez. Don't be daft, they're trying to say that Mbappe and co are "too black" to be french.
@@abzda1700because they weren't pointing out players(apart from mbappe for other reasons obviously). 90% of the french team is black, hence they only spoke about black players in general
Mah, in your opinion, how should Chelsea approach the situation? What do you think should be the proper discipline for Enzo?
What should be the proper discipline for the rest of the national team?
@@TheTrympeten 1) The Argentinian FA would need to publicly take responsibility, implement strong policies for dealing with workplace culture (they clearly don't have a respectful workplace), where education, training and disciplinary actions are clearly defined. 2) The Argentinian FA needs to have campaigns to educate their fans and also clearly define what the discipline will be for fans who are racists in or around stadiums. 3) The Argentinian FA needs to discipline ALL the players in the bus. The discipline would include a) a public apology, in person, on camera, at a press conference, b) that all the players in the bus apologize to their club teammates, in person, c) all the players in the bus need to be banned for a minimum of 3 international and 3 club games. A second offense would be 15 games ban
Mah.. There are rumors That song was created after Argentina won the WC.. It just wasn't recorded... I guess they just sung it again out of feeling in a celebratory mode.
If this is right.. The fact that they sung that song before . It means his apology means nothing... He is sorry they got cought this time.
I don't think he's team mates can trust him again.ل
Measured and balanced, neutral. Fernández and his COPA teammates opend a Pandora's box that will be difficult to close.
As rival fans we have to hold our players accountable, big up to you and the sensible fans who dont stand for racism
Big up brother you spoke well on this situation (Arsenal fan here)
I mean half the argentina probs aint even argentine they german iykyk loool
Italian / Spanish 95% of population
@@Eliasss077 😂😂😂 if Fofana or the French national team wanna make a chant out of those allegations
I would be like FAIR PLAY they got jokes, but nah they won't
@@fpl_djhammerIt would be pointless aswell as no argentine would get mad about it. They are proud of their cultural heritage.
Fernandes....a very native american sounding name...
@@nachogamer4212 yea exactly, I don't think it was racist at all 😂
insensitive maybe but I don't think they would be angry if the French made the same jokes about them either
Hi. I am a brown man.
Can you please explain what exactly is offensive? The song was about someone’s origin. Is that racism? I am not sure.
Just news cycle.
I think people are offended because the song implies that immigrants and the children of Immigrants are not French
I love how you just completely disregard Jackson’s opinion on the situation and label him as an idiot. He obviously has different feelings as an African.
matisse keep up the good work
Why does the French national team live in these guys heads rent free? Y'all won the world cup, what's their problem? 😂
U are sadly misplaced….Argentina has by far….leaps and bounds…been a more successful footballing nation than France.The trophies and accolades speak for themselves.Not to mention,producing two players- Messi & Maradona- that are in the GOAT conversation.
As insensitive as it was,what sparked the chant were Mbappe’s comments about the quality of football in South America as a whole,compared to Europe and that was their way of getting back at him….
A song about race was their way of getting back at him? I fully get what you're saying but one gave his thoughts on football, how does that transcend to race?@@joegrinefine
@@JerrenBrewster They didn’t actually refer to race tho…..They referred to nationality and place of origin.They also attacked his sexuality….
@@JerrenBrewster it's his inferiority complex kicking in 😂 the boy went on a full rant about accolades and sh!t
Big Mah this is why ur the only chelsea youtuber im subscribed to real talk keep up the great work sir!!! Arsenal fan by the way COYG!!
Excellent, well balanced video. Thanks.
PETROVIC. A PROPER CHELS
ABOUT TIME THE OWNERS AND DIRECTORS WOKE UP
BRAVO PETROVIC. GOD BLESS YOU OLD SON
And thats why brother Mahtisse is the 🐐
Jackson is not the sharpest tool in the box. That's a fitting statement.
Can't wait to see Enzo ball this season 🔥🔥
Very well put. I enjoyed the way this was structured to help people understand the context before addressing the actual topic. It can be so exhausting to always have to be the bigger person. As a black person when someone says some offensive and you call them out people, often, get defensive and tell those who are offended to calm down because they have said sorry and it’s in the past. But like you said why should anyone tell another person how to react to something that has offended them. The state of the Argentine squad tells you how much racism exists there and I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a “no blacks” sign over the door to the national team. I hope many people see this video and are inspired to do better when it comes to standing up against racism and other injustice they witness
So because Nico doesn’t think Enzo’s racist and posts something in support of his teammate who’s now being persecuted because of his dumb action he isn’t the smartest tool in the shed but in the same vain you want to tell people how they should react to this?
Disrespectful for you to call Jackson "not the sharpest", no body should be forced to feel in a certain way. He is entitled to feel in a way that he does. He is also black too. Probably he knows that Enzo isn't really a racist bcoz he has spend a year with him. I believe it was a moment of madness, getting caught up in the euphoria of the celebration. Thats why context is important in all this.
Why are City Man Utd spurs players who play for Argentina not getting bashed ? They were all singing.
Because their fan base doesn’t bitch about everything and because it was Enzo who posted the video
is this how you live your life? never taking accountability? whataboutism?
how do you know every single player did?
Cuz Wes Fofana is the only one who voiced this situation on his social media therefore blowing things out of proportion in the process
I love what you said about Jackson 😂😂😂
Jackson is brainless
He’s just glad to fit in.
Seeing him do this makes me feel we still need a mature striker 😣😣😣🩵💙
Re Jackson,for every Django there is a “Stephen” Clown..
As a black person, I waited to hear your take on this incident. I was relieved that you didn't excuse Enzo's racism as harmless banter as some people have done. My respect for you has grown because you didn't do this. It is clear to me that Enzo is a racist, this doesn't mean that his football ability is any worse or better as a consequence.
@@blackmagic6 Its clear to me you are an idiot
🤡🤡🤡🤡 enzo is not a racist and you are soft. He didnt say anything that wasnt true. Im black myself, quit your whining
In no way do i condone what Enzo and the Argentina squad did but I’m curious why you didn’t talk about the France squad basically calling Messi a cheat in their song after they won the World Cup!
I believe this could have potentially sparked the rivalry. Argentina took it to a whole new level but I think the initial song should be discussed
This is fake news it's not that difficult to translate the original song : "Kante is small, he is nice, he stopped Leo Messi but we know he is a cheater (when playing cards)".