📺 Is Retro Gaming Overrated? | Retrospective
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ธ.ค. 2019
- Retro gaming seems to be the latest fad both on TH-cam and outside of it. But is this gradual rise in popularity well justified, or is it just rose-tinted nostalgia? Are retro games better than modern video games? Let's find out.
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Certainly not overrated, it's just that we, the playerbase, are not getting any younger ;) but mature gaming communities and particularly modding communities is what keeps old games alive, not only they cultivate history and extend replayability, they also work pretty much like a prolonged charitable technical support. How many games from last 10 years have that? Most of them are just skimmed through and quickly forgotten when the hype fades.
Yeah, the fact that we're even passing the knowledge of those games existing also keeps them alive. That being said, I think it would be unfair to say that retro games are popular only because of old farts like us reminiscing about the good old days. There's more to that. Many of the classics are simply more unique, feature rich, deep, complex or just fun than most contemporary games these days.
It feels like as graphics become more and more life-like, the game systems are literally devolving right in front of us. Bethesda games being the best example - combat and graphics gets better witch each game released, but their RPGs can barely be called that anymore. Since #Morrowind all the core systems were systematically stripped away to "streamline" the gameplay for the casual audience. The quality of their storytelling followed suit.
That's not to say there's no good games released even by the AAA industry anymore, but they're few and far between and it gets progressively easier and easier to find something genuinely engaging when combing through the retro catalogue 🤓
It's a bit ironic that as time goes by it gets easier to find a mechanically deep, challenging game with a moving storyline in a landfill than on a store shelf 😔
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Thanks for the kind words, means a lot! Nothing better than waking up and seeing someone appreciating your work. Very fun, but also quite hard work 😁 Spread the word! maybe someone else who normally wouldn't find us will and Hard Corps Runners will grow in numbers 💪😎
Dude you are an incredible creator! I loved the video. I agree with you that retro means something different from everyone. I personally love retro and I think it has its place in gaming. The modern games are great too, but I love my retro! Love the way you incorporated pc gaming too. Great video
Thanks man! Means a lot to see comments like this on the first (proper) video uploaded to the channel. I will do my best not to disappoint in the future 💪😎
PixelPolishTV can’t wait for the next vid man!!
@@BigRetroShow It's coming sooner than you think... I hope. Got a pretty tight deadline if I want to make it an Xmas video :P
A lot of effort went into making this! Wow! Really great video, subbed! :D
Much appreciate it!
"Guaranteed fun" LOLOL Yo you are killing me lol This is gold
Hahaha, good to hear, mate! 😁
Excellent video. Love the virtual room and character
Thanks man! Really means a lot. Hope to see you around 😎
For me, my love of retro gaming is mostly related to nostalgia. Saying that, having lived through gaming from the commodore 64 to present day, I've becoming increasingly disenchanted in the direction gaming has taken (I'm probably just an old man). A good example for me is the Broken Sword games. The first game was particularly hard, the puzzles at times very frustrating. But ultimately, if you persevered, you were rewarded with a sense of accomplishment that really isn't present in much of modern gaming. The remaster of Broken Sword catered to the modern gamer by making it obvious where clues were and preventing the possibility of the main character dying. For this reason, I assume retro games are particularly inaccessible to the modern gamer would would have less patience to invest in harder/esoteric games. Love the channel btw, just about to hit the subscribe button ;)
Welcome aboard, Runner!
And yeah, gaming did take a couple of wrong turns since around 2010's - to "reach new audiences". Meaning people who up to this point made fun of games and maybe even bullied nerds in school. They call it streamlining - I call it dumbing it down to appeal to the lowest common denominator and make mountains of money. It's all about instant gratification now. I don't believe people became less patient over time "just like that" - they were conditioned that way, so of course now they expect to be catered to in a way they are used to. hence, anyone with ambitious game idea has to either sacrifice profits, or dumb their game down to some degree. It's a vicious cycle.
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@@PixelPolishTV Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Keep up the good work, look forward to your next video!
It's the second video from you that I've seen and I love it. The form with you as an avatar is refreshing, the content superb, the topic discussed from every possible point of view. No i te wstawki, kochany Pegazusik, ten kanał to złoto!
Glad you enjoyed it and welcome aboard! Piona
What a fantastically put together video. So professional. I agree with most of your points. I will say though that not all boxed games worked out of the box. I recall that Unreal didn't work properly with many 3D cards until later patches. I love retro games. I have more than I can finish in my lifetime.
This video is a work of art...
PixelPolishTV is a real creative genius...
Bravo...👍👍👏👏
Excellent video. What's the song at the end that sounds like the terminator theme?
Retro games provide me with challenges. Of all the games I've played on snes, Lawnmower Man still kicks my ass, ninja gaiden with no guide was easier
Myślę że sam fakt bycia naocznym świadkiem rozwoju tego fenomenu popkultury stanowi dzisiaj o jego sile, i to jak pięknie ludzki umysł potrafił eksploatować te dziewicze wtedy rejony przy pomocy grafiki, dźwięku i opowiadania histori by stworzyć unikatowe doznania, dla mnie niewątpliwie jest to prawdziwa sztuka, którą do dzisiaj ludzie starają się ulepszać, jednak tak jak z wynalezieniem koła, gdzie zawsze jest miejsce na innowacje to coraz trudniej o efekt wow! Btw super materiał.
Ogromne dzięki! I tak, jest coraz trudniej, ale pęd ku realizmowi też nie pomaga. Na szczęście jest jeszcze sporo deweloperów "indie" i nie tylko (choć w branży AAA jest dla nich mało miejsca), którzy jeszcze chcą robić gry, a nie tylko interaktywne filmy ;)
the reason why I loved retro games was when I looked it up on youtube, those colour, gameplay, soundtrack, I remember when I played Max Payne on my android in early 2010 (yes I'm a cringey 2003 kid) and really loved it so I looked up for a lot of retro games on youtube cause I can't afford any platform to play theese game lmao (and now since all of the old console platform were mostly sell from a third party and overprice, I use the emulator lol cause I don't want to pay $1000 for a single nes game) now with my own pc I started grabbing a lot of retro fps, tps from steam. and my next plan was to grabbing some side scrolling, beat em up, fighting game :)
In regards to buggy games, not making any excuses for any game studio whatsoever for the quality of their product on release but as technology advanced so did game structure, and so did the complexity of the bugs caused by them. Been a QA Tester for over 4 years and I seen some pretty batshit crazy bugs out there that just baffle us how they even got in there. It gets even worse if you consider games with constant expansions that have to keep working on the next thing and make sure it doesn't break something else that was already there while under time pressure. I still hold any company releasing an unplayable mess responsible for their fuck up cuz god dammit I'm paying money for that (which is why my only preorders are for games I know for 110% sure I will have fun playing like Monster Hunter).
And commenting along as I listen, I believe retro gaming being made hard was kind of a necessity, not just in terms of offering a fun experience but offering a long lasting one. Games could only hold so much content back when we didn't have the kind of disks/storage/cartridges we have today. If the games were easy, they'd be over within a few hours and there would be no incentive to replay them as much since mastering them would not provide as much satisfaction, leading into the eventual realm of speedrunning said retro games.
Got nothing to add about that couch gaming and LAN Party except damn does it ring true at work whenever we're a bunch of people testing the same multiplayer game be it coop or vs. "Yo sorry we just happened to snipe you BOTH AT THE SAME TIME IN THE HEAD" or "Oh god no we gotta clear that boss to unlock the next difficulty and test it and I'm the only guy still alive in the team!" (cuz ofc we don't use debug for everything, we gotta make sure everything works within reasonable parameters).
Another comment coming in reply since this will be a long one:
Just want to share my experience with one of my all-time favorite series: Ys.
It only just recently released its 9th game in the series in japan back in september (which I imported and played) but it's been a series spanning all the way back to the end of the 80s. My first actual dip into the series though was the 1990 version of Ys 1&2 on PC-Engine through the Wii Virtual Console. I had only found out about the game through music videos on youtube so I came in with no special expectations, just to be an experimental little $6 to spend.
It was both the weirdest yet best experience I had at the time. Where I was used to hardcore action from Monster Hunter Tri or platforming from mario games (or Vexx, my favorite platformer of all time...look it up if you don't know it, one of the objectives in that game requires you to uppercut a giant bully in the dick then you get to watch him whine on the ground XD, long parentheses are long) I was then thrown into a top view game with no idea what I had to do after a pretty cool pixel-art intro trying to emulate old school anime AND voice acting, tacky and cheesy but it was there. I just explored town, talked to people then took the exit to the north. I panicked at the first sight of an enemy while I was trying every button press on my controller to figure out how to attack until I eventually killed an enemy...by running into them. That was how the whole game played, just moving the character in the right direction. Enemies took damage if you bumped into them from the side or an angle but you took damage in the same way if it was done to you.
So yeah that was a pretty weird thought, I was questioning myself and how I would enjoy a game that only played by "moving" but I gave it some more time and I regret absolutely none of it because it ended as my most memorable title in the series. Entering my first dungeon hearing that sweet "Palace" track, transitioning into an actually pretty challenging boss battle with "Holders of Power" then into the real meat of the dungeon with "Palace of Destruction". I then found an imprisonned maiden, fighting another boss at the depth of that temple. Eventually I would explore a mine to recover some ancient books then enter a cursed demon tower after an ominous speech about how once inside, the door would close behind forever. Heck at one point in the tower there is a scripted moment where I entered a room in which the entrance is trapped by 4 demon statues that teleport you straight into a prison cell at the bottom of the tower and I just ended up wandering around in the prison cell wondering what the hell I was supposed to do with nowhere to go. Then all of a sudden I hear a boom and the wall just breaks and some guy came into the tower ot help me out by breaking me out of jail. I was pretty confused for a bit but I'm glad it wasn't just told to me through dialogue.
I could go on about my experience but it was an unforgettable adventure. Fast Forward today and I finished the 9th game just a few days ago and while I have my own criticisms of how the series evolved, that one old game that introduced me to it all is still the one I remember the most fondly. I still really love the more recent ones though (though that last 9th one has got a few bad points in my book that disappointed me). Through those games I was also eventually introduced to Legend of Heroes by the same studio which became my absolute favorite series of all time being a single story that's told through many games. The 10th game in the series is coming out this year and we're only a tiny bit past the halfway point of the entire narrative and it all began back in 2004. Again I hold the older games in the series closer to my heart than the more recent ones, they're adopting too much of the tropes I specifically dislike to a point some of them are turning into memes in our facebook group.
Both those series challenged what I considered fun with their early installments. ys with its quirky gameplay and Legend of Heroes with its commitment to world building and quantity of text that surpass even the likes of the Lord of the Rings or at times even Witcher 3 in sheer word count (apparently Trails of Cold Steel 3's word count is 1.02X the length of all 7 Harry Potter books combined, which in itself is around 2.4X the word count for Witcher 3).
As for the "retro gaming being made hard was kind of a necessity" that is more true on consoles than PC at the time, as we've had multi-disc games full of story and content when Ninty was still using carts, so there was not much in terms of storage limitation that would warrant upping the difficulty just to extent the game. Therefore, the challenge came from thee complexity itself, *as well as* just mechanical difficulty :) They just didn't shy away from challenging you both intellectually and in terms of reflexes/pattern memorization like they do today.
Świetne porównania i powrót do przeszłości. Nie gram teraz ale wtedy jak za "moich" czasów Mario na Pegazusie trzeba było przechodzić za każdym razem od początku i mimo to człowiek miesiące nad tym spędził, a nie była to taka łatwizna jak teraz, że wszystkie gry mają opcje save. Niby to fajne i pomocne, ale już nie zmusza tak gracza do "drążenia" gry+ jakieś ukryte przejścia... to miało klimat i w grach nie było tyle błędów... nienapomniana walka z Tigrexem w Monster Hunter... spędzała mi sen z oczu i nie pamiętam ile razy podchodziłam do tego by to przejść, właśnie przez niedopracowanie gry , a kiedyś nie było takich problemów ;)
Awesome watch subbed my man…..love from india
Namaste, my distant friend!
Świetny materiał :)
Ogromne dzięki za obejrzenie i dobre słowo na weekend :)
Bardzo dobry materiał. Podoba mi się. Ale ciekawi mnie jakby to brzmiało w naszym ojczystym języku, skoro opis i tytuł jest właśnie w takim?
Dzięki! Są również Polskie napisy - tytuł i opis (oraz napisy oczywiście) są po Polsku, bo sam zrobiłem i dodałem tłumaczenie, które widzisz tylko kiedy zmienisz język na TH-cam na Polski. Normalnie wszystko jest po Angielsku :)
@@PixelPolishTV Teraz rozumiem Twoje intencje. Jest po angielsku dla globalnego zasięgu. Git!
@@Siachu2000 Otóż to! Ale nie zapominam o rodakach, którzy nie znają języka i dlatego spędzam dodatkowe godziny na tłumaczeniu i synchronizowaniu napisów :)
Hej, rewelka...dzęki panQ dowiedziałem się o Twoim kanale i bardzo mu za to dziękuję...muszę nadrobić Twoje filmiki, łapka i subik z dzwoneczkiem poleciał, pozdro:)
Wielkie dzięki! Na szczęście nie masz wiele do nadrabiania, bo tak na dobrą sprawę jest to pierwszy konkretny materiał na tym kanale - reszta to fabularyzowane wprowadzenie ;)
Będzie jakiś odcinek na święta?
Pracujemy nad tym! Mimo pewnych nieoczekiwanych komplikacji, powinno się udać ;)
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Cieszę się, że się podobało i polecam się na przyszłość ;)