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I’m sad that it’s locked up, but (fortunately for us) that means we get to see another project, and learn something new…. As another young farmer, thats my favorite thing about your channel is every video I watch I learn something new
I really wish you could have got it to turn over, can't wait until I see it back to life again in the field working again, great video, thanks for sharing 👍
Thanks
I'm a big fan of those Perkins and I'd love to see it stay original specially with the sentimental connection you have.
Maybe
Hi Ethan! I’m a Cummins man. Having said that we had a few 1850s with 354 Perkins and I think a few Massey combines as well. Anyway great motor! Miss the Hercules we had in a 2-135 and 2-155 it was awesome too.
I bought a 1850 2 years ago that sat for 10-15 years for $1500.
Fired right up, had to do the hydra power but found a 3 speed and put that in. Best thing that ever happened, love it. Got the 3 speed for $900.. Got me a great tractor now.
Only way to go.
Seems like sticking with the Perkins maybe the easiest option. Even with it being stuck I still think you made a good buy on it.
I’m still happy with it.
I'm in the same boat, just picked up a Oliver 1650 last weekend that had sat in a open air barn for 7yrs...engine is locked tight. Got marvel mystery oil sitting in the cylinders and hoping I'll get lucky
Cross your fingers.
My uncle bought a tractor with stuck pistons in it once, he put white vinegar in the cylinders and let it sit for a few days. He got really lucky. Maybe a thought if the Marvel doesn't get it. Good luck!
U got this i love this channel u r amazing
Sorry it didn’t work out the way you hoped it would Ethan. Cummins would be nice but that combine motor would probably be the way to go in terms of dollars and cents, plus you’d have the old engine for spare parts. Either way I’m looking forward to seeing that tractor back in the fields. Thanks for taking care of that older iron because once they’re gone they’re gone forever and it’s a shame to see that happen.
Thanks
I'd put the 354 back in it when I learned how much a Cummins was gonna cost to put in my 7040 Allis I was like nope I'll just put a combine motor in it can't wait to see the 2-105 in action always liked the looks and styling of the whites honestly the way the side sheets faded out I looks really cool but I love how excited about it you are about the 105 it's a great thing to be excited about a project tractor I get that way about my 6070 Allis
Only 3-4K for a Cummins swap depending on how much I can buy an engine for.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy that's not as bad as putting a Cummins In an Allis then I guess it's up to what a guy wants to put in it then
Nice thanks buddy love it 🥰 🎉
I would stick with the Perkins even though I like Cummins, but I’ve seen people run Perkins in their masseys forever and they never seem to have problems. Good power, good efficiency, and really good torque.
Why some guys would walk away from a 4700 hour tractor because of hydraulic problems is beyond me. Looks like it was in decent shape before they parked it. It's a shame you didn't get to it sooner. That old Allis though. Never in a lifetime would I have thought she would roll over let alone start.
He got sick and passed away that’s why it didn’t get fixed.
Would have been awesome to see it run! I was looking forward to it. Hopefully you will be able to figure something out that will be reasonable!
I think I already have a plan.
It will be a good project this winter after harvest.. looking forward to seeing the videos..
Have a different tractor for this winter.
Cant wait to see this one come back from the dead.
Thanks
I really enjoy watching you because I also grew up farming with oliver and nice to see a young guy working hard at it . I was wondering what your plans are with your old tires off the white .
Ethan, this is still a good buy. All of this is really dependent upon, how much time, money and effort are you willing to put into it? Me personally, a complete engine overhaul kit plus, I'd also go through everything else. As you stated about the 2255, you're there, just do through it and be done, then you know for sure.
You say 3k-5k, I say, closer to 7k. Either way, looking forward to seeing this project. Great video as always, cheers :)
To bad the motor is locked up. I was hoping it was going to start and run for you. I'm sure you will come up with a plan and have it going before to long. I will look forward to the videos. Have a good week.
I’ve got options
The best laid plans... I feel your pain. I worked on a Deere B for a year restoring it got the engine running and now have water in the oil. Can't figure where it is coming from. Yea the best laid plans. Hope it works out for us both...
Probably a cracked block or head on a 2 cylinder.
Sorry it's going to be tougher than you first thought. I'm looking forward to following this one. It is very much like our 1800C basket case.) I will watch and learn. I like the idea of the 354. Just my vote. It also would be the easiest IMO. Keep us posted.
Cummins is pretty easy.
Sucks that you couldn't get it running, but you'll prevail in the long run with it.
I’ve got plans.
i have gotten 3 engines that where locked up unstuck there is a simple mix that will get that engine turning. ATF,acetone,diesel fuel mixed will get it free if the crank moves alittle bit that means she will turn if you can leave a breaker bar on the crankshaft with a pipe and tie some wait for the weight to drop. it should work alright
Man that sucks but I know you will get her running one way or another. I look forward to seeing this girl running again.
Just from what I see down the turbo, it's had a lot of weather down the cylinders. Don't kid yourself, the head needs to come off and see how bad it is. I've rebuilt a few of these engines over the years, it should be a dry sleeve engine, as long as the bore hasn't been busted by freezing water, you can get new liners and pistons.
If I tear it down far enough for pistons and sleeves it’s getting a complete major done.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy Thats why I mention removing the head and check that block is not broken in the bore. I also collect tractors and have run into many stuck engines, if enough water has filled the bore, in winter the water freezes and splits the cylinder. That issue will determine if the block is rebuildable. That's the same motor that Massey put in their 1130 tractors and Combines, So over the years We've been into a few of them. Before the Series B Cummings motor became avaliable, a bunch of these old Perkins engines ended up in pickup truck repowers! Beats the hell out of the old G M Detroit smokers some folks idolize!
Don’t knock my Detroit’s. I’ll fight you.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy 😀 What? I can't hear you, lost all my hearing driving A LN900 Ford road tractor for 10 years! 😚
It had a 6V 54 DD
Well that sucks. Sorry to hear that. Before you pull the trigger on an overhaul kit I'd be pulling the rod and main bearing caps off just to make sure the crank is good. If it's got liners in it, rebuilding it should be a gravy job. Best of luck to ya!
I would tear it all the way to bare block before I bought any parts anyhow.
Judging from the " clean " condition that You purchased it in - My guess is that " ran when parked " was exaggerated just a bit........ I agree - the white stuff is the piston decomposing in the cylinder. Your best bet is a motor replacement. You have a good straight frame and a good cab - enough of a backbone to rebuild on. Reach out to your " network " - You have enough where finding one shouldn't be an issue. Thanks for the update Ethan. Take care. Fred.
I know it ran when it was parked because I remember it.
I've rebuilt a few 354's. They are a easy motor to go through. Other than the dry sleeves are rather fun to pull. I'm a Cummins guy and I would stick with the perk
I’m up in the air.
that 2-105 would make a nice planter drill tractor with the cab and the a/c working
Those are actually one of the better cabs from back then. White and Case had it figured out. It’s roomy enough for teeter too
Well that was a bummer, I was really hoping that would run. Although, at least you have options! I still think it was a good deal. I have confidence in your ability, so I'm going to keep the faith. It will live again. Can't believe that alis ran, that's just wrong, lol ...just kidding...I'm happy for him. As rough as it looked, I wouldn't have believed it would run. Lol. Still a very interesting video.
I’m still glad I bought it.
Dang it!!! I was with you on it may turn over and start. Wasn’t ment to be. Those Perkins are such a tough engine they start easy pull good and easy on fuel.
Yes they are.
Sorry about the bad news. I'm guessing swapping another perkins in would be the easiest and initial lower cost option. Cummins would be more work and money upfront but parts availability and cost down the road would better. Probably easier to get a few extra ponies from the Cummins as well. If a guy ever felt inclined to do such a thing. Either way this will be a fun project to see come together whichever route you choose.
Do u still have the loader to put on the 66 and how was the barn project going
Well that's a shame Ethan, but I know you will have it back to life. Maybe back in the field by spring.
Spring will probably be a stretch.
Are i still look for a cummins? There is one around here that was rear ended by a dump truck but i believe the rest is still good
For my white 2-105 project I have what may be a good long block, I also have a good running 354 turbo perkins and a 5.9 p pump cummins. Not sure if you remember me or not but I bough those 18.4-38 tires from you a few years back. Still not sure what Im going to do with it but I could probably should sell some of it.
You want to part with the Cummins?
that is a shame, i just bought a 2-135 2years ago. love the tractor. it only had 1500 hours on it. always wanted a white. dont know what year it is though.my dad had one of those 190xts when i was a kid over 40 years ago that is a nice tractor. i drove it most of the time.
That’s low hours on a 135.
Well that sucks! But that's the risk with a "barn find". But I believe that you will prevail in the long run.
It’s not dead yet.
That sucks man, but we'll see it run again !!
Yep
Putting another Perkins in is cheaper for sure we did a 5.9 swap on a 4020 was not cheap lol we had 354’s in our masseys had over 20,000 hrs on a 2705 before had a rod bearing spin only reason for the overhaul. But as of all other things it’s your choice and I’ll damn sure enjoy watching you fix it whichever way you choose!
About 3-4K to swap a Cummins depending on how cheap I can pick up an engine.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy way cheaper swap than a 4020 lol
Fill all cyliners with kroil and hang a weight off the breaker bar. If you think it moved put breaker bar and weight on the other side. Slowly but surely it will come loose
The piston and sleeve are junk. I’m not concerned with getting it free anymore if it’s getting overhauled.
A Cummins would be pretty damm sweet my neighbor has a 5.9 in his 1950. But that combine motor would be a lot easier to swap it sounds like
The Massey 750 we had came with a Perkins too.
No cylinder liners in that? Bummer.
354 has dry sleeves.
Well F' that sucks. I actually sat here at the start of bad news and thought I bet that Allis turned over, It happens I bought 2 perk engine Majors that sat outside 40 years we know off, both them moved the crank like you found on the white, they rocked and freed up after a dose of weasels finest pee, both started on batteries after a basic service !.
I'd say as you got this for a sentimental reason as well as using it see about fixing that motor and keep it original. Pull the head and see how bad she's rusted and can that be saved. Perkins cranks are so hard you've got a job to screw one up. I did one last year had busted up wrist pin bushes get shoved through the oil system, that crank looked bad but it polished to spec yours should still be good anyway.
The hardest part of that rebuild is pulling the sleeves and getting the new ones back in. You are smart you can do it, I've done them here quite a few times in 30 years and there is lots of jobber parts kits out there that aren't huge money . I'm pretty sure if you go MF combine to tractor with the 1135 massey the crankshaft pulleys different with splines or something between the 2, but that may be for the front pump drive you don't have on the white, so it might be ok if you don't have to swap pulleys, the drive off the pump shaft might not be there for the tach either some just have a big shaft stick out. Thanks for the video, take care
Sorry to see that it’s stuck but you will get it running 👍👍
Yep
Well that sucks. When I was at the MF dealer we put a MF combine motor in a 2-105 and I can’t remember what all was changed I know fuel filters and I think injection pump. $5,000 is still a cheap 100HP cab tractor in the real world. Rudolph Bros at rockport May have a Perkins if your deal falls through. Where the 8700 came from has a cummins 2-105
There isn't that much involved to putting a combine motor in it the injection pumps are set different the oil pan the intake fuel filter housing valve cover
@@scottjaecques7409 be a good time to replace bottom end bearings when the pan is off
Sucks that she is locked up but it really seems like a straight tractors. Most of them that have been sitting have the cab glass all busted.
It’s super straight all things considered. Couple small waves in the hood and side panels but nothing that an hour of work wouldn’t take care of.
There is a guy near me who has done a 12v cummins swap from a dodge pickup to a white he has I see it in the spring doing tillage idk what all it consists of but he done the work in his drive way of his barn I do know
It’s not hard.
Hopefully in 5 years your subscription numbers will be big enough for you to build your own shop.
Bummer! I was really hoping it would tick right off and you'd be able to use it before too darn long.
Can’t always get lucky.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy I know that all too well. I seldom if ever get lucky. I have no doubt you'll get it going sooner than later. Hopefully it will be easier than what you are expecting.
Bummer. It was still a good deal even with a bad motor. Unless you plan to restore this tractor, the used combine engine sounds like it’d be a cost effective way to get the tractor in the field again provided it’s a good, low-hour engine. Next would be doing an inframe. Regardless of what you do, I’m confident you’ll get it back in service.
There’s no such thing as an in frame. You either pull it out and do a major overhaul correctly or you leave it in the tractor and put a bandaid on it.
Wouldn't hurt to still fill all cyl with atf and fuel since it's just sitting might surprise you get it broke free may just need one piston and maybe sleeve
If I get it apart far enough for one piston it’s getting a complete major.
Time to pop the injectors out and pour some stuff in if it wiggles it'll break loose. And pull the turbo and clean it. Once it breaks free change the fluids and see what she does. Well nevermind... you'll get her these kind of deals suck so is the 190 gonna be fixed now ?
So, you do have a 2255 .....I had been wondering. The farmer that used to own ground next to me had one, I used to like looking at that tractor when he brought it out
That stinks buddy More work to ahead of you be safe out there your buddy from Nebraska
Always.
White vinegar down the hole,will break down the oxidation.Leave for a while then put ATF and fuel mix guaranteed to loosen up.
Isn't the 354 Perkins a sleeved motor? A new sleeve piston and rod and a complete set of rings and you could get it running.
Is a dry sleeve engine so it’s not that simple. And what kind of person puts one piston and sleeve in an engine?
Sometimes one gets lucky ,sometimes not so much.
Looking forward to seeing her fixed up.
Thanks.
Son of a Buick! I was hoping it was not sad shape .
I had to flat tow my 1750 2 miles home and in that tractor the lube pump in the transmission turns with the input shaft well half mile later the transmission tried to lock up had to keep it in gear and hold the clutch down hope the 2-105 is different ps Perkins out of a combine is my vote
55 series and newer is driven off live shaft.
Sounds like the left rear tail light is pumping oil
What size was the crankshaft bolt?
I would definitely pull that injector again and fill the cylinder with a mix and just let it sit for a bit to see if it loosens up. You're not losing anything and it's basically free.
The piston was disintegrating in the bore. It’s not coming in stuck.
Man i wish i could come u wit this project
I wanna help
If you got aluminum pistons and a steel cylinder then shes a paperweight. That sucks bud! I like the Perkins idea if that’s the easier swap. Plus those are some strong engines.
I’m just assuming they are aluminum. I don’t know what else would cause white fuzzy corrosion in a cylinder.
If block not cracked & crank ok, it be good to keep around & rebuild after eng.swap,or core for trade in!👍😎
Won’t know till you tear it down.
Combine engines usually are fairly low houred when the combine parts are wore out
Yea
Depending on price, a rebuild might be the cheapest but if wanted to put some money in it, a cat v8 in it would be nice they have great power to em
You’re not getting a V8 in an in-line 6 frame.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy darn, I guess the 2-180 frames are wider to fit the cats in
It’s worth a try pulling the injectors and putting some mystery oil down the cylinders. It would be sweet with a 5.9 in it
The piston was disintegrating. It’s not going to free up.
Too bad about the Perkins. With a younger brother who is a diesel technician. I would drop the engine at his place and say call me with the bad news. lol Maybe you could see if Jake wants a engine rebuild project? lol
I just rebuilt the 354 in my 1850 this past winter. Not bad to do at all
Turbo engine is a little more involved.
Where did this one come from?
Dang , I was hoping going to be a ok . There’s a man here on you tube that’s swapped engine to Cummins on a white . Idk who he was .
There are a lot of them. You just don’t see them in 105s very often bc it’s rare for the Perkins to fail.
Better call cousin call cousin tristio....brother
I know it will take some time and I think it will come back to life and be working again
Yep
What's your buddy planning on doing with that AC ?
It’s for sale
Sucks that it’s stick but sounds like you’ve got a couple options so it still can be saved
Yep
Cummins 5.9 would be my choice. I would pull the cab and make it open station with a ROPS/sunshade. I never understood how people let their equipment get into that condition.
I’ve been watching your videos from the beginning and I truly respect your work ethic and determination. However I am curious of how your love for Oliver started? There’s no doubt in my mind that you could have a much better crop with a John Deere 7000 planter and have an easier harvest with a 6600 or 6620 series machine with the appropriate heads. Honestly I’m just curious!
How would green and yellow shit make it any easier?
@@Oliver66FarmBoy parts and availability
Never had any issues getting parts for the stuff I have now. And don’t know if you’ve noticed but since Deere is on strike green and yellow parts are hard to get.
I got a 2940 John Deere and it’s harder to get parts for it then my 1755 and the stuff I can get for the Deere is 10x the price
that's to bad. i was hopping it would run. but you get it going. still better then buying a lottery ticket,and you will know it's reliable when you are done.
I’m not giving up on it.
I'd go check out that kind of buying engine see if you can go here or run
thats what call the luck of the draw!! you thought it threw and it wasnt in the cards but being anAC man GO ALLIS GO!!! knowing you and watching you this is just a minor problem!! so with that said I WILL BE WATCHIN!! oh by the way l be 85 when you get to the 2255 LOL!!!
Lol
Pull a manifold?
The Cummins conversion
It’s tempting.
I have a perkins out of a 750 massey ferguson combine if you'd be interested
Maybe
Well I share your disappointment on your lack of success in getting it to start but that No 4 injector looked pretty grim and it sounds as though things look bad in the cylinder as well. Best wishes on your choice of decision of what you eventually decide to do about it all.
I’m guessing cylinders 1-3 were going to be just as bad. Was a shame.
From $835 to $1135 for an inframe rebuild kit is what Agkits says.
You should put a Perkins back in the white
Maybe
Man I thought for sure that old girl wouldn't fight ya! I figured you'd prime the fuel system with alittle fresh go juice and hit her with a shot of Cosby sauce and she would pop right off! Oh well such is life atleast she is in good hands. Just a thought may not be a bad idea to take the head off see how bad the cylinder walls look. May be able to get away with running a hone down her throw a new slug in the bad cylinder and new rings across the others and rods and mains if you wana get fancy. Just a thought be about the cheapest way to get it going in my opinion. Either way best of luck with the ol girl she is actually in pretty good shape.
Honing a stuck cylinder isn’t a fix. That’s a hillbilly bandaid.
lol hillbilly bandaid........ right..... I have personally done it to 2 3612 cats in mobark horizontal grinder as per recommended by CAT but that's a hillbilly bandaid. If the cylinder wall isnt in bad shape there 8s not a dam thing wrong with honing your cylinder walls replacing rings and rods and mains. But what do I know I only been turning wrenches for the last 38 years. Its your money if you want to piss it away go for it.
I don’t really care what you’ve done. I know what I want out of it. I know what I want it to be. And I know how I do engine work. I want it right the first time so I never have to work on it again. Cheap and engine work should never go in the same sentence.
Find a 354 perkins out of a Massey combine and swap it out, that is what one neighbor did with a 4430, cause i sold him a 7700 combine with a sound 404T, happiest day of my life when that ferial Rye infested nightmare left my sight
I have options
I believe the 105 replaced the 1955
Yea
Looking forward to the rehab.
Thanks.
We run 5 2-105s and a 4430 haying
Disappointing news, but I know you'll get her running again!
One way or another
That's to bad about that engine, but if I was you I'd say swap that engine for the combine one. To bad but watching your channel I'm sure you will get it running.
One way or another.
Cummins lookin better and better
Yea
Well, (as you always start the videos) that sucked....but it does look like a good solid platform to work on.
It’s worth saving.
My book says you can pull start it in over range.
I don’t think so. Should be direct.
Combine motor or cummins swap it, put you have a motor for spare parts, not all is lost, an i happen to know were a 4-210 is with a cummins in it 😎