Bhaskar Kamble has written that it took 300 yrs from Arabs & Europe to get their heads around zero, Indian # system. Because idea of Shunya is foreign to their thinking & Islam & Christianity, but shunya comes from Hindu philosophy!
Very Insightful Thanks so much , i look forward to more such authentic book/ information about the 3rd & 2nd millennium BC when lots of indian were moving for global trades & exploring for metals around the earth while the mighty river Saraswati was in her great times.
Dalrymple's use of the word "Tamil" merchants during the 6th century AD is misleading. During the 6th century, Pallavas ruled over southern Andhra and northern Tamil Nadu (present day). They were in constant conflict with the Chalukyas and Cholas and Pandyas to their south. It was only in the 9th century that the Cholas defeated the Pallavas.
@@jaiku99 apparently not. they supposedly have origins in Andhra. But Indians in general are very clannish - some more than others. Cholas are Tamil. Pallavas are Telugu. Satavahanas were Maharastrians! Kalingas are from Orissa! When we are talking about centuries, it makes the whole argument of heritage and ancestry meaningless. There is a concept called black mirroring, which is reinterpreting the past to suit the present. People confuse today’s linguistic boundaries with erstwhile kingdoms - eg., since Pratisthan was a Satavahana capital, therefore Satavahanas must be Maharashtrian, even though Maharastra is a recent term for the region. People want to attribute to themselves the same identity as those glorious historical dynasties from the past and like to link themselves exclusively to that past. It is a question of pride in their heritage, and I get that; but even when the gaps are 100s of years apart? A bit difficult to accept.
@@jaiku99 let’s look at it a different angle. Annamaya was born in the 14th century and today many many words in his poetry are difficult to understand. Extrapolate that to the times of the Pallavas - the Telugu they may have spoken would be unrecognizable today. They were born in Andhra region as defined today, but over centuries, they moved south into what is known as Tamil Nadu today. How will it be feasible to determine what language they spoke?! We are delving into a huge unknown.
Dear William Dalrymple, Pray tell me which Indian nationalist has claimed atom bombs and helicopters in the Mahabharat. Did Vivekananda claim it? Did Aurobindo claim it? Did Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay claim it? Did Savarkar claim it? Who claimed it except a bunch of fringe 21st century youtubers? If that is so, then why do you declare that 'Indian nationalists' claim atom bombs or helicopters in the Mahabharat?
Fascinating talk but Mr Dalrymple is not the first Scot to write about this subject. Sir Alexander Cunningham, who founded the Archaeological Survey of India in 1861 and rediscovered all the Buddhist sites including Nalanda wrote a book The Ancient Geography of India (1871) which covers the Buddhist sites in India and the spread of the religion to Sri Lanka, Burma and Central Asia. Another of his books, Coins of Ancient India (1891) discusses the trade between India and Rome. Surprising that Mr Dalrymple does not mention his achievements.
Hats off to Darlymple for spending years digging through artifacts all over Asia for this book. I am just wondering if a pure thickly Desi accented historian had a similar book, would he have even got TV interviews by “convent educated” interviewer to make his case? The Indian media would have branded him as a Saffron Bhakt. Very sad that even these verifiable historical facts - if not “facts” but at least alternative interpretation - the dumb Desis will accept only if it comes from the works of a Gora scholar. Kollengode S Venkataraman
"I think when Indian nationalists imagine", this statement alone shows the prejudice he holds against certain people. Indian Nationalists are not a monolith, does he think people like Vikram or Sanjeev actually think that. I love his work but the way he generalizes Indian whatsapp forwards and uncles is hateful. I understand Comedians doing it, but does a historian really need to drive these points through. Change my mind if you can.
He was so majorly wrong right from the start, shows their myopic understanding and sensitivity towards indegenous cultures They were fantastical descriptions of events that occured in our history and thats all that they were.... We dont struggle to restore some ancient long lost high level technology but for the simple yet effective principles that ancestors stood by which brought prosperity for the longest periods of time before barbarous unc0uth sw1nes decided to overtake it by f0rce and t3rror Dont teach us our own history random gora nobody
He’s done more than you will ever do in your life. The Indic civilization did not come up with these ideas by forcing them but by argumentative discussions, singing you will never understand.
@@chiragsharma5050 when did I say all of it was true word for word... Something along those lines DID happen whether you like it or not and people at the time used exaggerated descriptions and fantastical storytelling techniques to sell the story far and wide in the absence of luxury of communication tools like we do... Your denial doesn't change the fact that a billion+ people on the planet including those across the seas (south east Asia) still consider the story a deep part of their history and culture....
@ no idea what you’re on about. Talking about the author who has benefited from selling the past to readers who are not interested in the present that they are experiencing
When one reads history, one does not stop at listing events that happened in the past - that is the silly way history is taught in schools. Instead, one goes beyond the events to get a sense behind the institutional framework and principles that drove the achievements. And once such principles are understood, one can use these as inputs to help the present too. A cynical way of looking at past just to either berate the present or increase jingoism is a sad way to look at history. So, ignore the jingoists and focus on "learning" - as they say, if you do not know where you have come from, you will have no clue about today or where you go from where you are. If you however prefer being cynical or over-smart, all the very best in continuing to lead a great life 😂😂
Sorry but this this guy doesn't know India. Even the Indian diaspora don't have to be nationalist who follow the Vedic tradition..They do not claim about helicopters and so on.. The Rishis insights into meditation and yoga have been studied scientifically for example in America in MIU, the National institute of Health has funded about 33 million US dollars to look at Transcendental Meditation and hypertension. It was and is a great success . This man is a selective historian with selective amnesia he used to have a Moghul fetish with the British gnoring the Veduc culture. Now there is a sacredness we don't have to extrapolate to helicopters and.spacehips and so on. But there are scientific based principles behind ayurveda, meditation and yoga. His book the Spell of Yoga was quite demeaning. Now he's praising the Buddhist India and it's greatness, blind siding the more ancient Vedic knowledge. He's not an Indian historian nor a scholar. He tends to debunk anything Vedic at one point in a CNN interview with Christiana Amanlour he even went as far as to suggest that Prime Minister Modi as Fasxist sympathizing. What he's doing in India is quite stupidly given publicity by Indians themselves. By the way I'm not from India I'm Asian American. While he lambdas and exposes the colonial British He's no different. He has a colonial mindset and colonial frame. His Marx is leaning historical narratives cannot see anything beyond class conflict. There's no transcendence in his writing or experience. Pity him. But I feel sorry for the Indians who have missed the point in the whole culture. In America they have a much more deeper and wider appreciation of India concerning its Vrdyc heritage to the point that scientists study the Vedic text including the Bhagavad Gita. The Brits even if they're Leftists leaning and appear as anticolonial imperialists, still don't get it. They're stuck in an atheistic view. No understanding of spirituality beyond aesthetics and art.. Come on Indian media. You can do better than this just look inwards. You still have to have a White person tell you about your your history and yourself. The colonial Sepoy mentality has not gone. This guy is colonial and is dressed in drag as a left-winger. The karmic irony is that both the United States and India at the first and second largest investors into the UK in terms of foreign direct investment. These two countries were the rich former colonies of Britain. Nowyou have a Leftist who is an anti colonial imperialist nonetheless still telling Indians a history discounting and demeaning the very core of their strength in terms of the radical history and installing Buddhism and the Mogul era. Wake up India.
This is a glorified and colonially tainted material already researched and found in Sanjeev Sanyal's books. That said, it is extremely useful for the western world to accept it now that one of their own has also researched and written about it.
Bhaskar Kamble has written that it took 300 yrs from Arabs & Europe to get their heads around zero, Indian # system. Because idea of Shunya is foreign to their thinking & Islam & Christianity, but shunya comes from Hindu philosophy!
The best interview of William thanks to Shona Choudhury
Am reading The Golden Road. Unputdownable and evidence based!
Very Insightful Thanks so much , i look forward to more such authentic book/ information about the 3rd & 2nd millennium BC when lots of indian were moving for global trades & exploring for metals around the earth while the mighty river Saraswati was in her great times.
My parents attended this event! So impressed with William Dalrymple
Dalrymple's use of the word "Tamil" merchants during the 6th century AD is misleading. During the 6th century, Pallavas ruled over southern Andhra and northern Tamil Nadu (present day). They were in constant conflict with the Chalukyas and Cholas and Pandyas to their south. It was only in the 9th century that the Cholas defeated the Pallavas.
Pallavas were not Tamil ?
@@jaiku99 apparently not. they supposedly have origins in Andhra. But Indians in general are very clannish - some more than others. Cholas are Tamil. Pallavas are Telugu. Satavahanas were Maharastrians! Kalingas are from Orissa! When we are talking about centuries, it makes the whole argument of heritage and ancestry meaningless. There is a concept called black mirroring, which is reinterpreting the past to suit the present. People confuse today’s linguistic boundaries with erstwhile kingdoms - eg., since Pratisthan was a Satavahana capital, therefore Satavahanas must be Maharashtrian, even though Maharastra is a recent term for the region. People want to attribute to themselves the same identity as those glorious historical dynasties from the past and like to link themselves exclusively to that past. It is a question of pride in their heritage, and I get that; but even when the gaps are 100s of years apart? A bit difficult to accept.
@ That is true. However I am not sure if Pallavas used Telugu as their primary language. Maybe they did
@@jaiku99 let’s look at it a different angle. Annamaya was born in the 14th century and today many many words in his poetry are difficult to understand. Extrapolate that to the times of the Pallavas - the Telugu they may have spoken would be unrecognizable today. They were born in Andhra region as defined today, but over centuries, they moved south into what is known as Tamil Nadu today. How will it be feasible to determine what language they spoke?! We are delving into a huge unknown.
Dear William Dalrymple,
Pray tell me which Indian nationalist has claimed atom bombs and helicopters in the Mahabharat. Did Vivekananda claim it? Did Aurobindo claim it? Did Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay claim it? Did Savarkar claim it? Who claimed it except a bunch of fringe 21st century youtubers?
If that is so, then why do you declare that 'Indian nationalists' claim atom bombs or helicopters in the Mahabharat?
He is only Gaslighting for some claps...
Fascinating talk but Mr Dalrymple is not the first Scot to write about this subject. Sir Alexander Cunningham, who founded the Archaeological Survey of India in 1861 and rediscovered all the Buddhist sites including Nalanda wrote a book The Ancient Geography of India (1871) which covers the Buddhist sites in India and the spread of the religion to Sri Lanka, Burma and Central Asia. Another of his books, Coins of Ancient India (1891) discusses the trade between India and Rome. Surprising that Mr Dalrymple does not mention his achievements.
Great content 👍
Hats off to Darlymple for spending years digging through artifacts all over Asia for this book.
I am just wondering if a pure thickly Desi accented historian had a similar book, would he have even got TV interviews by “convent educated” interviewer to make his case? The Indian media would have branded him as a Saffron Bhakt.
Very sad that even these verifiable historical facts - if not “facts” but at least alternative interpretation - the dumb Desis will accept only if it comes from the works of a Gora scholar.
Kollengode S Venkataraman
Thanks Willy for being Willy.
Zend Avesta is true source of enlightenment
Truth
"I think when Indian nationalists imagine", this statement alone shows the prejudice he holds against certain people. Indian Nationalists are not a monolith, does he think people like Vikram or Sanjeev actually think that. I love his work but the way he generalizes Indian whatsapp forwards and uncles is hateful. I understand Comedians doing it, but does a historian really need to drive these points through. Change my mind if you can.
Evidence base study
Lot of claims without any proofs here by Daryyl. A random pillar is not a proof for origins of a language. Amazing what passed as facts in India. Wow
Those are not Indian nationalists. I'm an Indian nationalist and I laugh when someone mentions helicopters or atomic bombs during Vedic India.
This is the same clown who pushed hard to connect india with Roman empire in 400CE. But europeans were looking for India in South America 😅
I hope my comments will not be deleted.😅
If he only talks about the sea route as the golden road, then he is talking one and only the Tamils. Rest he talks is dry fish sambar.
He was so majorly wrong right from the start, shows their myopic understanding and sensitivity towards indegenous cultures
They were fantastical descriptions of events that occured in our history and thats all that they were....
We dont struggle to restore some ancient long lost high level technology but for the simple yet effective principles that ancestors stood by which brought prosperity for the longest periods of time before barbarous unc0uth sw1nes decided to overtake it by f0rce and t3rror
Dont teach us our own history random gora nobody
He’s done more than you will ever do in your life. The Indic civilization did not come up with these ideas by forcing them but by argumentative discussions, singing you will never understand.
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Non sense ramayana is great epic but how can that b history use your mind God is imagination not reality
@@chiragsharma5050 when did I say all of it was true word for word...
Something along those lines DID happen whether you like it or not and people at the time used exaggerated descriptions and fantastical storytelling techniques to sell the story far and wide in the absence of luxury of communication tools like we do... Your denial doesn't change the fact that a billion+ people on the planet including those across the seas (south east Asia) still consider the story a deep part of their history and culture....
@@iamwham your response is not coherent or substantive enough to warrant a response so I'll skip it. Cheers
When the present is not to your satisfaction and lack substance then focus on the thousand years ago where no one can refute your claims
I think you are talking about pusslims
@ no idea what you’re on about. Talking about the author who has benefited from selling the past to readers who are not interested in the present that they are experiencing
When one reads history, one does not stop at listing events that happened in the past - that is the silly way history is taught in schools. Instead, one goes beyond the events to get a sense behind the institutional framework and principles that drove the achievements. And once such principles are understood, one can use these as inputs to help the present too. A cynical way of looking at past just to either berate the present or increase jingoism is a sad way to look at history. So, ignore the jingoists and focus on "learning" - as they say, if you do not know where you have come from, you will have no clue about today or where you go from where you are. If you however prefer being cynical or over-smart, all the very best in continuing to lead a great life 😂😂
@@shanak123 Those who don’t know their history are bound to repeat their mistakes and fail to achieve their greatness.
@ what a terrible cliche
Never seen an Indian teaching the Brits about their history and culture. 🤔🤔🤔
Sorry but this this guy doesn't know India. Even the Indian diaspora don't have to be nationalist who follow the Vedic tradition..They do not claim about helicopters and so on.. The Rishis insights into meditation and yoga have been studied scientifically for example in America in MIU, the National institute of Health has funded about 33 million US dollars to look at Transcendental Meditation and hypertension. It was and is a great success . This man is a selective historian with selective amnesia he used to have a Moghul fetish with the British gnoring the Veduc culture. Now there is a sacredness we don't have to extrapolate to helicopters and.spacehips and so on. But there are scientific based principles behind ayurveda, meditation and yoga. His book the Spell of Yoga was quite demeaning. Now he's praising the Buddhist India and it's greatness, blind siding the more ancient Vedic knowledge. He's not an Indian historian nor a scholar. He tends to debunk anything Vedic at one point in a CNN interview with Christiana Amanlour he even went as far as to suggest that Prime Minister Modi as Fasxist sympathizing. What he's doing in India is quite stupidly given publicity by Indians themselves. By the way I'm not from India I'm Asian American.
While he lambdas and exposes the colonial British He's no different. He has a colonial mindset and colonial frame. His Marx is leaning historical narratives cannot see anything beyond class conflict. There's no transcendence in his writing or experience. Pity him. But I feel sorry for the Indians who have missed the point in the whole culture. In America they have a much more deeper and wider appreciation of India concerning its Vrdyc heritage to the point that scientists study the Vedic text including the Bhagavad Gita. The Brits even if they're Leftists leaning and appear as anticolonial imperialists, still don't get it. They're stuck in an atheistic view. No understanding of spirituality beyond aesthetics and art..
Come on Indian media. You can do better than this just look inwards. You still have to have a White person tell you about your your history and yourself. The colonial Sepoy mentality has not gone. This guy is colonial and is dressed in drag as a left-winger.
The karmic irony is that both the United States and India at the first and second largest investors into the UK in terms of foreign direct investment. These two countries were the rich former colonies of Britain. Nowyou have a Leftist who is an anti colonial imperialist nonetheless still telling Indians a history discounting and demeaning the very core of their strength in terms of the radical history and installing Buddhism and the Mogul era.
Wake up India.
sorry not ck raju but P T Raju
Pallavas are telugu
you are wrong about zero zero evolved from indic ontology of sunya Read Dr PT Raju
wrog genghis was not a thricrat hD he conquered I dia India might have been spared tje scourge of islam
This is a glorified and colonially tainted material already researched and found in Sanjeev Sanyal's books. That said, it is extremely useful for the western world to accept it now that one of their own has also researched and written about it.
BJP spokes person perhaps..does India still need EastIndia co to teach us ..?
Shoma.......Don't interrupt please
He is a well known anti-hindu and anti-inida.
When he is making comments on Indian Nationalists, let some of the Nationalists be there, and debate.
This women is so interruptive