Lucifer 3x8 Reaction | Chloe Does Lucifer | Review & Breakdown

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  • @IceMetalPunk
    @IceMetalPunk 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    There's an important clarification on the "guilt keeps you in hell" confusion. A lot of people think that it doesn't make sense because "psychopaths don't feel guilt", but that's actually not true. It's a misunderstanding about what psychopathy/sociopathy (antisocial personality disorder, collectively) actually is. People with APD *can* in fact feel guilt and empathy! It's just that, unlike most people, they don't *automatically* feel it. They have to consciously consider what the other person might be feeling in order to feel that empathy for them. In fact, that's what makes many psychopaths so good at manipulation: they can choose to empathize with you in order to figure out how best to make you feel guilty/sad/happy/etc. -- whatever they want you to feel -- and then they can just "turn it off" so they don't have to care about hurting you anymore.
    So in Lucifer, it's still very true that peoples' guilt keeps them in hell. It's just that for people with APD, they're not able to "turn it off" anymore like they were in life. It's still their own guilt over their own actions, it's just the guilt they would normally have to *try* to feel, without all the trying anymore.

    • @amazedsatsuma
      @amazedsatsuma 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Yea I completely agree. Deep down they knew what they are down in life was wrong, but they lied to themselves with flimsy justifications instead owning up to their mistakes...Perfect examples are the designer poisoner Doctor that nearly killed Chloe in season 2, and lesser degree Charlotte Richards

    • @rowenatulley852
      @rowenatulley852 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I also believe it needs to be guilt over something significant. For example, I feel guilty if I have a second serving of Maker's Mark when one hits the spot. However, I don't think I'm going to Hell for it . . .

    • @IceMetalPunk
      @IceMetalPunk 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@rowenatulley852 Yeah, I think it's empathetic guilt in particular, i.e. guilt over hurting someone else.

  • @geonunes10
    @geonunes10 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Notice this is the second episode Linda states she is going to hell when she dies, the first one being the episode Chloe was dying from that crazy poison.

  • @patriciadoyharzabal1560
    @patriciadoyharzabal1560 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    "what's stupid about thinking someone deserves to be loved for who they really are?"...I loved Lucifer's face when chloe says this phrase, it makes him think he can be loved despite being the devil or feeling like a monster...

  • @rowenatulley852
    @rowenatulley852 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    IIRC, the idea of guilt sending one to Hell gets further refined over time. It's easy to poke holes in plots, but if you suspend disbelief just enough, you can kick back and really enjoy a good yarn - and Lucifer is a damn good yarn . . .

  • @pcoleman1971
    @pcoleman1971 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    I love the scene between Linda and Amenadiel. I'm with Linda, chameleons are cool.

  • @jacquelinedimattia774
    @jacquelinedimattia774 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This is such a funny episode 🤣
    I can't with this line: "No not like a demented witch on crack!" 🤣 I bursted out laughing when I heard this the first time around....
    🤣

  • @countingtls
    @countingtls 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    About the "likeness" in "personality" between the Goddess and Charlotte, I always had a theory in reverse, that it was the Goddess "picking up" Charlotte's trait when she took over her body, not the other way around. The Goddess is effectively the source and the pure form of everything, and remember what Maze said, the Goddess had no form, no weakness she could use to torture in hell. And if we observe the Goddess we met in s02e02 the first time, and the Goddess the last time in the end, there's a clear shift in personality. Along the way we observe her very quickly picking up all kinds of human traits, physical desires (rooted from sensations of Charlotte's body), and she had to act like Charlotte to blend in to Charlotte's life.
    It's like the Goddess as a shapeless essence that had the divine potential to be anything got poured into a "Charlotte shaped" vessel, and morphed into the vessel's form in order to interact with the physical world.

    • @divinelangene6813
      @divinelangene6813 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I've been thinking the same thing

  • @equitek
    @equitek 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I just love watching this with you. I have never done a watch along, or whatever these things are called… But, now I’m hooked.

  • @kmuk6276
    @kmuk6276 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This time choice of Drink boring: Cola, but well its my favourite. 😂❤ so just right for this episode😊 true to myself 😂🎉

  • @jcee8493
    @jcee8493 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Before we start I just wanna say that the screen in the background having the images on it now is so much better. Great job!

  • @peachesplums
    @peachesplums 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    so psychopaths and sociopaths still feel the guilt that sends them to hell, they just aren't concious of it while alive. I the comics there was a genocidal king called Breschau, and he kept begging for torture ages after anyone who knew his name had died. and when Lucifer forced everyone out of hell he fought it, he demanded to stay and be punished

    • @ChibiHoshiDragon
      @ChibiHoshiDragon 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Some can't feel guilt due to problems in the brain structure or chemicals imbalance.
      But that is the point.
      Punishing someone who was born a certain way is wrong.
      They had no control over their biological errors.

    • @peachesplums
      @peachesplums 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ChibiHoshiDragon I'm just saying what was established in the comics:
      1) even people who couldn't feel guilt in life still felt it in death.
      2) the demons of hell were literally just hanging out until mortals showed up and literally begged to be tortured.
      3) when Dream finds Lucifer kicking the dead out of hell because he's tired we meet Breschau. who demands to keep being tortured because he was a genocidal warlord and defiler of women. Lucifer tells him multiple times that he's free and needs to leave hell and he insists on staying there.
      4) if they don't go to Hell they can always go to Hel, Hades' underworld, get judged by Anubis or to the house of Izanami and many more options

    • @ChibiHoshiDragon
      @ChibiHoshiDragon 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@peachesplums
      Ah
      The Comics
      I thought you were talking about philosophy
      Never mind then.
      I was going to go off on a rant about punishing someone for being born as part of a family under a system that punishes crime down the generations and other such punishments that the person couldn't help being born with.

  • @Dularr
    @Dularr 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The shows idea of heaven and hell take interesting paths.

  • @OpalKaboi
    @OpalKaboi 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    My chocolate Xtreme blizzard melted so I'm drinking that. 😅

  • @j.patrick5929
    @j.patrick5929 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I look at like this, people with an APD (antisocial personality disorder) have a brain chemistry malfunction, so on the mortal realm may not feel guilt the way others do. However their soul that goes to Hell, doesn't carry this chemical malfunction and they now have to face their earthly actions with a "clear" mind.

  • @LordSStorm
    @LordSStorm 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I love your cocktails with the dry ice!

  • @anivijudi
    @anivijudi 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Lucifer is an excruciatingly slow learner for sure. I mean he's millennia old and only just starting to change... from that perspective maybe taking less than a century to change is actually fast though?

  • @butterw55
    @butterw55 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Chloe is so impossibly beautiful in this episode: playing Monopoly with her face painted, elegantly dressed as Lucinda; her date outfit with Mr. Top Meet (that gold necklace and heels with an all black outfit).

    • @divinelangene6813
      @divinelangene6813 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lauren German in the first three seasons is just another level of gorgeous, shes great in the last three but she looks so different

  • @chayarivka9903
    @chayarivka9903 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I would think that even if socio- & psychopaths don't feel guilty, when they die their souls would know the truth and the guilt would hit like a giant punch. Their minds and bodies may not process guilt normally, and their actions have deadened their connection to their soul while alive.
    But after they die, they would know, but it would be too late to repent.

  • @lightningg252
    @lightningg252 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Lucifer being a slow learner and having non-linear character growth is very frustrating as a viewer but clearly intentional writing. It's about as frustrating as it is in real life, when you find yourself relearning the same things over and over again until it finally clicks, it takes some people longer. Real change is hard and can take a while, especially when you've had a millenia to develop bad patterns and your immortality eliminates your sense of urgency to change. Plus, rising and falling is kind of thematic to Lucifer as well, so makes sense why he backtracks sometimes🤷‍♀️

    • @divinelangene6813
      @divinelangene6813 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But his lack of emotional intelligence is frustrating😂

    • @lightningg252
      @lightningg252 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@divinelangene6813 I agree but for me it helps to remember that he is an immortal celestial being who hasn't felt the need to grow emotionally until recently.

  • @Marzipanilla
    @Marzipanilla 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You can inter an urn. Tho since Linda was planning her ex's memorial out of guilt she would probably keep it lol

  • @oliverwtell
    @oliverwtell 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    'Welcome to my bedroom !'
    Isnt that the salutation of a lady of easy virtue ? 😂

  • @butterw55
    @butterw55 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    17:19 Jurassic Park reference.

  • @Zerashadow
    @Zerashadow 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lauren is so good at playing the most awkward and cringe scenes xD

  • @katarinabernhardsson5054
    @katarinabernhardsson5054 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Re:Lucifer being a slow learner: yes, he is, but the problem is not so much the slowness as the way this season meanders a bit and pushes character development back now and then. So many good stories and moments, but the larger story is messy. Quite a lot of it is due to outside forces messing with them iirc.

  • @amazedsatsuma
    @amazedsatsuma 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Actually this isn't the first time we seen Chloe being an awful flirt...remember in season 2 when flirt with Lucifer in the episode she gets poison?

  • @DanielaDormiaru-ih9xf
    @DanielaDormiaru-ih9xf 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I would suggest a series for your list: The Last Kingdom, in case you didn't see it. It has very interesting character arcs and story line. It is historical fiction, that I feel you will enjoy. Also it is a completed series of 5 seasons and ends with a movie: Seven Kings must die.

  • @TheRealBrotherGrimmy
    @TheRealBrotherGrimmy 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Feeling bad about not feeling bad is so legit.

    • @divinelangene6813
      @divinelangene6813 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yep, I've had that feeling many times

  • @dboss7239
    @dboss7239 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ah but the writers do address your conundrum regarding guilt being what drives a person to hell, and the exception that psychopaths apparently have no sense of guilt. But it happens much later. (aside, deep in the subconscious all feel guilt, but some can simply ignore it consciously is my belief about the real world)
    Regards Charlotte vs the Goddess - it would make sense the Goddess would select or be drawn to a personality that is like that of the Goddess as to a body to occupy. And yes the two characters have similarities but actual Charlotte is a lot different as you will see.
    And they (celestials) are all slow learners - Lucifer, the Goddess, even Amenadeil and Maze have a hard time getting the message/lesson.

  • @maurer3d
    @maurer3d 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    1:20 Would a soul continue to have mental conditions after death?

    • @johnniequinn3215
      @johnniequinn3215 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Is happiness a mental issue?

  • @DavidGowers
    @DavidGowers 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like a lot of what @IceMetalPunk said, I look at the 'staying in hell' part slightly differently though. The way I look at the 'guilt keeps you in hell' part is that, if you're able to process/deal with/confront your guilt and move past it to a place of acceptance (or however you want to word it) then you're able to free yourself from your hell, but people with APD don't naturally feel that guilt, they don't naturally just *know* they've done wrong so there's nothing for them to process. Their actions send them to hell - "You send yourselves there" - but their lack of awareness of their guilt leaves them no way to escape. In that respect, guilt is like a toxin: if you're aware it's there you can do something about expelling it and then you're fine, but if you aren't aware then you can't/don't expel it and you're fucked.
    People who don't naturally feel guilt over their wrongdoing aren't naturally equipped to recognise and deal with it.

  • @DavidGowers
    @DavidGowers 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Funnily enough, it was my birthday recently so I actually have alcohol to drink with you, now! My sister bought me a bottle of Wild Turkey American Honey so I'm having that on ice

  • @LordSStorm
    @LordSStorm 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Also most guns will not go off when dropped.

  • @slithery9291
    @slithery9291 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Keep scrollin scrollin scrollin.

  • @charlie53echo
    @charlie53echo 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The likelihood of a well maintained gun manufactured in the past 20 years going off when dropped is extremely low (despite what film would have you believe).

  • @Dark_jediG
    @Dark_jediG 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am not considering Lucifer as a "slow learner". I think we have to put this into the greater picture. Its more like changing habbits and beliefs. We all know changing long used habbits is hard and slow - in Lucifers case he is thousands of years old and taking that in consideration he is changing very fast. The struggles makes it a lot of fun though

  • @ThePharaz
    @ThePharaz 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Lucinda is the worst flirt ever.
    "We Got Quill The Worst Gift Ever! A Disgusting Actor!" - Drax
    Ella reminds me of Kaylee from Firefly. Cute, innocent, and nice, except she isn't so innocent.
    Myself, I think of one's body as the hardware and the soul as the cloud. While the Goddess was in Charlotte that information was made in the hardware so when Charlotte's soul returned that new information was added to her soul. The personal memories were removed with the soul but what if choices/settings/cookies if you will were left behind. So at times in certain situations, it's almost like the Goddess is revealed.

  • @davidedwards1705
    @davidedwards1705 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    14:10 Likely Dan saw Hot Tub High School

    • @johnniequinn3215
      @johnniequinn3215 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      More likely he didn't.

    • @divinelangene6813
      @divinelangene6813 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@johnniequinn3215He said in season 1 you look really good in it😂😂

    • @johnniequinn3215
      @johnniequinn3215 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@divinelangene6813 Ok. Do you think that was a factor in Chloe marrying him?

  • @randallwilliamson3838
    @randallwilliamson3838 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Be patient, there is going to be a straight up psycopath.sociopath in later seasons and well, when the time comes, so does the guilt.

  • @butterw55
    @butterw55 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Flirty Chloe is the most hilarious thing ever.
    Girl, you're beautiful! You don't need to act like that.

    • @divinelangene6813
      @divinelangene6813 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But in season 1 when shes flirting with Lucifer shes so natural

    • @lukasr5867
      @lukasr5867 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      That's kind of the point, isn't it? Lucifer is convinced her "normal" flirting could only ever get boring/normal people interested in her, but they're trying to catch a "tophat", so she has to learn "tophat-flirting". But in truth being yourself is the best and most efficient way to connect with other people. Not least because it's hard for most people to pretend to be someone else and it's easy for most people to see through such pretense, making the pretender quickly uninteresting.

    • @divinelangene6813
      @divinelangene6813 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@lukasr5867 yeah but in season 1 she was flirting with him just fine

    • @lukasr5867
      @lukasr5867 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@divinelangene6813 That's exactly what I said. She's absolutely fine flirting as herself. That's the moral of the story. They thought she needed to act like a female Lucifer to attract "tophats", but pretending to be someone else makes the flirting worse.

    • @divinelangene6813
      @divinelangene6813 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@lukasr5867 yes, and I also like when the guy says that the woman(murder victim) made him feel like he didnt have to be on all the time, I feel like subconsciously Lucifer probably feels the same around Chloe

  • @dragonflynoire9659
    @dragonflynoire9659 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    It's not a spoiler, but in my opinion, Lucifer is very annoying for most of season 3.

    • @divinelangene6813
      @divinelangene6813 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes, goodness , I love him but he frustrates me so much this season, especially when comes to Chloe

  • @mikewulf2766
    @mikewulf2766 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    what are those bubbling and smoking drinks in the background?

    • @AnnaAlexanderAuthor
      @AnnaAlexanderAuthor  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      A screen saver I found. Just trying to break up the darkness..

    • @mikewulf2766
      @mikewulf2766 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@AnnaAlexanderAuthor I didnt even notice that was running on a tv. reall cool.

    • @mikewulf2766
      @mikewulf2766 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      really.

  • @Meee-ye7sr
    @Meee-ye7sr 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Intro reaction: Arrrhhhhh nooooo.... It is your Guilt that puts you in hell. Read that as a personal internal 'hell' (or religious one if you wish). A non-feeling pyscho murderer, etc wouldn't be in hell (either form) but also would never get to heaven (either form)... :-)

    • @divinelangene6813
      @divinelangene6813 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But if your banned from heaven I believe hell would be the default

  • @Sillydogification
    @Sillydogification 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Chloe needed to be a bad actress... IF she we're good at it, she would have less incentive to switch back to being herself... You're right, she should have been good at it, I wish she had said something like, "This feels wrong" and went onto be herself... Maybe she got a genuine vibe from someone, who lost interest when she acted up at him ... The she re-approach him and be her self ... Something like that would've worked really well at the party scene...

  • @rnkelly36
    @rnkelly36 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Its funny to hear that people are questioning the guilt thing and hell. Its nice to thing about that as a head canon but hell is a dogmatic thing. Without guilt or knowledge of sin you would never understand the concept of hell. What is punishment if you don't understand what you are being punished for? Enter the dogma of social systems in this case hell. So this is more does the writing fit. In bible studies outside of the dogma hell is not a thing and there is no area of punishment. Inside the dogma you have to have knowledge of what is and what is not a sin.

    • @johnniequinn3215
      @johnniequinn3215 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What if the dogma is wrong?

    • @rnkelly36
      @rnkelly36 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@johnniequinn3215 That is a strange question to me. From the perspective of dogma it is never wrong. You believe what you will.

    • @johnniequinn3215
      @johnniequinn3215 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@rnkelly36 Believing Dogma is not believing what you will... It is believing what you've been told. The premise of the show is a journey of self discovery for characters who always questioned the dogma, but in doing so have to question themselves and the world thst they believed was set by that dogma.

  • @janices5389
    @janices5389 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Charlotte showing Goddess tendencies? Ummm... I can kinda see what you mean, but... Both Characters were trying to rediscover and reinvent themselves, and I think that similarity may be what you are seeing. The Goddess wanted to 'be good' so as to stay in Lucifer's good graces (after all, he punishes evil) at least for a short period of time - but in the end she gave up and reverted to her darker manipulative ways.. Charlotte was also once self-serving and evil and is trying to do the same thing, but her effort seems more sincere. The overlap for me was clearly seen when Charlotte confessed to Ella about stealing the evidence. The Goddess was often blunt and truthful that way while she was trying to figure the whole 'human' thing out. But I'm pretty sure that's all it is is 'similar'... maybe? I hope so anyway! I guess we'll have to keep watching to find out!

  • @keithcole8536
    @keithcole8536 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How are you today Anna and do you want some more shows for the list

    • @AnnaAlexanderAuthor
      @AnnaAlexanderAuthor  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes, please!

    • @keithcole8536
      @keithcole8536 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @AnnaAlexanderAuthor Stargate the movie then Stargate sg1 the Stargate sg1 movies then Stargate Atlantis thats a big time series but for a lesser 1 there's Hercules with Kevin sorbo or xena and there's a really good vampire show called the strain and 1 called day shift you would like those

    • @keithcole8536
      @keithcole8536 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@AnnaAlexanderAuthor I hope you like the lists I give ya

    • @Its_Bek
      @Its_Bek 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@AnnaAlexanderAuthori recommend the blacklist and person of interest if you haven’t seen them

    • @AnnaAlexanderAuthor
      @AnnaAlexanderAuthor  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@keithcole8536 I'm sensing a theme... 🤣 I loved Xena! Had a cat named Xena, and just broke the Xena keychain I had for 30 years. Funny thing, I never saw the very last episode 🤷‍♀️

  • @JohnDoe-xz1mw
    @JohnDoe-xz1mw 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    who sais psycopaths are in hell? thats just a bible predjudice assumption :P