Pythagoras' Music of the Spheres
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- Scott McGill, Professor of Classics, Rice University, and Christopher M. Johns-Krull, Professor of Physics and Astronomy, Rice University, discuss Pythagoras, NASA, and the centuries that separate them.
The Infinity Machine installation by artists Janet Cardiff and George Bures Miller at the Byzantine Fresco Chapel evokes both ancient science-the “Music of the Spheres” theory advanced by sixth-century B.C. mathematician Pythagoras-and contemporary space science-the sound of the interaction of solar winds and planetary fields recorded by NASA’s Voyager spacecrafts.
Public Program of the Menil Collection, Houston, Texas. October 9, 2015.
I love how, when I searched up "Music of the Spheres" on TH-cam this wondrous lecture came up before Coldplay's new album! What a treat.
yohohohohoh indeed
OMG did coldplay ruin this title ?
I won £25 on the fruit machine in the pub. I wonder if people in the future will read about my triumph.
i just did! congrats man you did it youre a legend
I'm here breh. congratulations and salute.
3 years on and still going strong. Congratulations man.
yees
4 years and STILL a beast, or rather becoming a myth by now
Oh shit... Is that what that is? Once woke up from sleeping. Had this dream. Where I heard this indescribably beautiful music. Fucked me up for a week. Made me cry when I thought about it. Unlike anything in real life.
Looking forward to experimenting this one day , that’s dope
I too heard the Music of the Sphere ... I justvanout wanted to leave my body. I know who creates that divine sound/music the sons of GOD. This must be the reason my spirit/light wanted to join them.
Deeply fascinating!!!!
You might’ve heard the music in the astral realm. Awesome. Would love to get that recording 😎🤯
I've been fiddling with music and various influences in my art for a few years; only recently have I begun seriously to study astrology, after much dalliance with Hellenism Platonic and Neo-platonic philosophy. I'm edging into Pythagoras and Keplar slowly. I greatly appreciate this lecture being left in the public domain. Maybe some day I'll make it to Byzantine and get to experience the Infinity installation. Until then, I will continue to try channel the planetary music into my ten little drumsticks :)
I have heard this music. I had a heart attack, didn’t realize that was happening, because I was a young athlete. I laid in my backyard, in terrible pain in my chest. I started to say the Lord’s Prayer. Then, I heard it. It was the most mysterious sound ever. It sounds like thousands of angels, except, it’s so trippy. When I heard it, I knew I was dying. I told my husband, I hear the music of the spheres, please race e to the hospital, I for sure am dying. My husband did, I was rushed into surgery, and saved. I will never first that music. Too beautiful,for human ears. 👼
You can literally look up a youtube video about it.
Wow, your story brought me to tears and I don’t know exactly why… it’s beautiful and tragic. I pray you and your family are doing well. God bless.
There are thousands of documented near death experiences, people who flatline from a heart attack, drowning, etc. - and no small number of these recount experiencing some form of divine music. They all say it is beautiful beyond description and impossible to explain, although most attempt to describe it using some metaphor or another. One guy said it was like being able to hear a thousand orchestras playing different music at the same time but that it all fit together and added up to an unspeakably harmonious and majestic sound.
i call bullshite on that. lies
I had read somewhere that in ancient times, someone began a rumour that Pythagoras was a son of Apollo, so he was treated differently. Obviously, he had the power to hear the planets, maybe it explains because he was divine accordingly to the ancients.
Pythagoras was initiated in the mysteries both in Egypt and Mesopotamia.
He went inside the great pyramid in his initiation.
One of the answers that McGill gives to the question at 1:10:57 is just so off-track, that I have to comment. The questioner says he has been reading about modern discoveries in Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity which suggest that the world, rather than reducing to something material and mechanical, reduces into something more “abstract.”
The questioner’s point is that modern QM findings seem to challenge reductive materialism and scientific realism. For example, almost all of the famous QM founders were driven into mysticism - Heisenberg, Shroedinger, Pauli, Bohr, etc. in order to try and explain what they were seeing. For example, Max Planck: “matter is not real as we ordinarily think of it. It is being held in place by some great force and behind this force, we must assume, is a great Mind.”
So the poetry professor completely misses the thrust of the question and goes on to give the standard little grammar school story about how philosophy got its start when thinkers tried to explain things without recourse to mystical explanations and that is what makes philosophy different -the subtext is that all good materialists know that theories that postulate non-material entities can’t be possibly be true. Well, Platonic philosophy was taught at the Greek academy for almost a thousand years right up to 530 AD and is loaded with references to mystical ontology, “The One” as the source of all that is, “Divine Mind/Logos” as the second person of the Greek trinity, as it were, followed by “World Soul.” So is he trying to suggest that Platonism is not philosophy? Bertrand Russell famously observed that the entire history of philosophy is merely footnotes to Plato. Any number of famous philosophies feature conceptions of divinity prominently.
More of Scott ! amazing charisma, humor and knowledge!
Pythagoras was educated in Egypt. Many of the ancient people have done so travel to Egypt to study. Metapsychosis comes from them probably.
What a great lecture - really enjoyed this.
Thanks for sharing!!!
Thankyou for a great talk.
1:14:14 “nature is, is - is just, it’s fuzzy... that’s just the way it is”
Loved all of it. Brahe had a beautiful model.
Music is vibration is life. Is music... Etc. (But nobody listens 😂)
*There is a better video explanation about Pythagoras: The YT Channel owner is called "George Brooks". Pythagoras - George Brooks.*
Thank you very much for the recommendation!! I subscribed.
I agree that Pythagoras' discoveries, contributions to Greek philosophy, and influences descending down to the present day were mind-blowing and deserve a clearer and better articulated presentation. I'll check out the other one. The guy here did make a number of interesting points, though.
Nice, thanks for the upload.
awesome
math is the language we use for explaining and understanding quantity and ratio based phenomena. it does not "fit" nature it is the only way we are able to understand it in practical terms.
googlestopaskingformyname exactly. the code or cipher exists from time immemorial. math seems to be a ‘key’ that has worked for us up to now (in so far as deciphering the machinations of the physical realm). but if you ask me, there are still keys missing, the search for which is not helped by rampant obscurantism.
Maths are also a way to predict what isn’t at first detectable and apparent. But math is a many splendored thing. There is a calculus for determining the desires of a wife built up over time in the heart and mind of a husband if he does his homework. Of course most spouses are really only interested in themselves. So also most scientists making nature some sort of denominator with their own self as the numerator. What’s a strange predicament to be part of the phenomena.
And in a biblical world view what you just said is perfect.....as much as we try, it will never "fit"
@@joshuaforeman2611 The calculus of wives? I'm interested to hear more about that.
Mathematics is a language of thought. Even within mathematics there are many languages. One can think in geometric terms, or algebraically, etc. You can "express" the same relations using different mathematical modes of thinking. Each come with powerful tools to "transform" the thought without losing its relational integrity. Either way, any argument regarding mathematics can be said about language and thought in general.
We observe things, and make a model of it in thought realm (via language, mathematics, etc.). Then "looking at" this model, we "play" with it, and learn new things, that hopefully match the reality and become useful to us. Mathematic's usefulness is entirely dependent on our ability to perceive (measure) the external world accurately and our intuition when using the mathematical models. When our mental picture is missing crucial pieces and factors, and when we lack the intuition, our language/thought/mathematics won't work or be useful (worse yet, can be misleading).
The Scarlett Book of Freemasonry has the teachings of Pythagoras
why does McGill not have a youtube channel? where can I see his classes?
Leave it to a couple of professors to talk for an hour and never get to the point. They love to leave out all the interesting bits and constantly hedge their audiences' expectations--to assure all of us that none of this should be taken too seriously. I learned 10x more about this subject from a random sampling of a few TH-cam videos from total amateurs than I did from this "scholarly" video.
Athenian Stranger I didn't watch the whole thing and skipped a lot. I am a musician. These gentlemen could not describe the MUSIC of the spheres. Much like how the moon moves our ocean's waves, when you swipe your hands pass dirt it'll move. Sound is air moving at a frequency we are capable of perceiving. That being said, all planets make sound and harmonize as they move amongst each other like musical instruments. I'm ignorant to the teachings of Pythagoras but that is the idea that comes to mind personally from the "music of the spheres" title.
the history is important.
That's life!!!
@@musiccityspotlightpodcast4470 Without studying Pythagoras and other initiates, you won't even know what you're looking for.
Music City Spotlight Podcast so you skipped the video instead of watching it and then tried to criticize the subject material and the orators by claiming they don't understand music as well as you, the "musician", and that they didn't address the expectations you had from assuming a video's focus by it's title.....
love it!!
Plato always had spoken with metaphors and Pythagoras is one of his influences. I had always viewed his concept as "the music of the spheres" as a metaphor for a world created with music and harmony. Kind of follow a rhythm in tune with society and the universe. Sound travels many distances and NASA can hear our universe and taped such a sound. It is just one more Platonic metaphor to say "the music of the spheres." Ancients were very poetic and use often metaphors and many other verbal styles to communicate their ideas about the universe. If is "divine" means you don't have the answers to prove what is it?
Nasa fake😒😎😁
Nasa is fake
I'm a musician, I set here through this whole thing waiting to hear some music. Instead I got two scientist and their theories on music as they both readily admit they neither one know the first thing about music. Typical academia. Dudes, there are only 8 notes on a octave scale. They are named: A,B,C,D,E,F,G, then it starts over again at A. Not too hard right? You should retitle this video "Pythagoras's Failed Music Theory (and the Idiots still talking about it 2,500 years later)".
born 12 may 574 bc when jupiter conjuncts uranus, neptune, and pluto
45:45 “Those spheres can’t make music. They are only banging and shaking.”
I am somewhat taken aback that the question raised about 440Hz was seen as a distraction. No mention of 432Hz. How can one not relate frequency to music? Crazy.
I haven't got there yet, but I assume it's because harmony is about intervals (ratios between two frequencies). A frequency by itself has no significance and the mathematics work out exactly the same regardless of which frequency you take as a basis as long as the intervals are the same.
Does the song of spheres work though
Pythags is cheeky using the number 9 in his Cipher, the Chaldeans didnt use it in theirs as its far to Sacred
Air is the Means of Transmitting Sounds. PLANETS' sounds how? Should Only Alternative AETHER?
Many ancient Greek mathematicians calculated distances using a geocentric system,as they knew that it would produce a more accurate result.For example,the great Aristarchus of Samos who tried the correct solar system positions and used an heliocentric system wasn't as accurate!This didn't mean that they believed in whatever system they chose as a key point for their calculations to be the centre of the solar system.They knew that from the earth used as the starting point,the centre,they would get better results .This is what foreign scholars of antiquity seem to overlook,they think that Greek philosophers eg. Aristotle actually believed that earth was the centre, which is a misconception,to this day.
I enjoyed the video,would have loved to hear about the exiled god Kronos as I'm sure Kepler re-discovered who the "diabolus en musica" REALLY is!Of course,living in an age of Christianity,he would never tell!However,the cause of the augmented 4th and diminished 5th was and is the ancient god Kronos,hidden in a Pythagorean triange.For those who speak Greek,there is a teacher of this theory on TH-cam,under the name of apollonios.
Could you provide some reading, audio, or video material that would allow me to research this claim further? What you're saying is interesting.
@@kyledurnof2622 The only person who explains the "augmented 4th/diminished 5th" interval in music (the
tritone) clearly, is on TH-cam
and uses the name
"apollonius."Unfortunately all his lessons to his students are in Greek!
I had been researching the tritone interval as a musician and knew that J.Kepler had
access to Pythagorean knowledge but he could hardly come out with the truth because of Christianity."Pagan"
was practically
considered sorcery! What
"apollonius" believes is that the god Kronos
is the "apostate" who
is/was responsible for this DISCORDANCE in
our earthly realm!Many music professors have their own views and may not agree but I think it best fits in with Platonic writings about earth's
placement due to
necessity/ανάγκη in Greek.Also, apollonius uses the
hypotenuse triangle to explain the gradations (of the
Western scale)which
is very lucid.All his
teaching begins with
the age of Uranus,the Titans,the violent seizure of power by
Kronos who could only create hybrids,the reign of
Dias/he who divides
(and thus can create by cell division etc.)
Apollonius also uses mainly the initial letters of the Attic
Greek alphabet to prove his argument.
Actually he proves his point and that is no easy task.
The division of the scale is from high to
low sounds as taught by Pythagoras,always in descending order
(as above so below).
Kepler had written out
scales in descending
order.
Blaming Kronos implies that the hybrids who have
survived even after the last deluge
interfere heavily in this world and have made sure that
humanity is literally not "in tune" with the Earth's resonance.
Hope this helps you
to research!
@@kyledurnof2622 Just to add to what I wrote below,the Pentagram is completely distorted by these
"creations of Kronos."
Apart from actually representing the 4
elements plus the Aether (the quintessence) it is also the "Pentalpha",the 5
Alphas who are protective forces of the earth.They are the "gods": Athena (aggressive goddess who attacks long range,holds a spear etc) Ares (Mars in English who is a god of defence oddly enough,holding a shield and a sword)
Aphrodite who is "double"(the Celestial one,not the
planet Venus which is
worshipped as Lucifer),Artemis (Selene or luna "the Beautiful Helene of Troy!) and the god
Apollo who is actually always WITH Dias/the gene maker,the one who divides or his other name Zeus,the
one who joins/unites.
Dias is with Apollo god of light q and that is why he is also called "day."
The reason why I have added this is because the war in the heavens which had been
"predestined" is being
reflected on our earth.
You lost me at NASA. I do love great music choirs singing harmonies and great ballads Great minds always studied nature and astronomy and respected Grand Design of the creation
Inward-eye is talking about the 3rd eye.
So is a close space
Well said, there is no concrete biography of Pythagoras. In reality, all evidence points to him originating from the school of Zalmoxis
hypatia. is that just a long shot?
I wonder if Pythagoras knew about the Swanee Whistle ?
Maybe he invented it ?
could he have collaborated with a priestess??
Yeah. I stopped the video at "a 6th century BC philosopher who Nine thousand years ago..."
The Chinese knew about elliptical orbits and even the moons of Jupiter way before Kepler
Alba Whiteman nothing new under sol
Which Chinese?
Mayan Boricua the taoists
The Sumerians knew about it before anyone else... They learned it from it being passed down from an older, much more advanced civilisation, the same civilisation from the time of Atlantis
The guy who’s doing the introduction, is not doing the actual lecturers any favors
Amen A-ten
Lots of great questions from the audience. It’s too bad these two don’t have a clue as to what magnetism is and what kind of understanding Pythagoras had. First, in order to understand magnetism, you must understand the nature of light. You must understand that light is not an emission, and neither is magnetism. Check out Ken Wheeler here on TH-cam at Theoria Apophasis.
My comment is as a stand from a Nihilistic perspective to the both of you: How would you explain Religious and Monastic Chants?
TRUE chants are a High magic of sorts. They channel archetypal frequencies (beings) to pervade the place of worship in order to influence and enhance the intent or will of those who chant. Archetype - Archangel ... RA zi El, AR i El, RA PHI El. And so on
he hates beans and when he was running from his enemies he come across a bean Field he had to slow down they caught up with him and he was 👊💯😞
bean violence was a real problem back then
@@Cl0udn1n3 I'm saying cos of beans he slowed down and the ones who was coming After him eventually caught up and killed him, fuck slowing down for a Bean 🤣💨 leg it 💯 killda Beans kills Lots of People 🎵💨
Dont spill the beans
There's 5 years of silence required for the real students. It's based on incubation meditation as listening to the source of sound as infinite time-frequency complementary opposites from noncommutative phase.
What are the real students?
@@rolancamp8551 Agreed, what is he talking about? It sounds nuanced and interesting and tangent to my own thoughts, but internet people can be realllllll crazy.
@@danielsayre3385 Just look up Peter Kingsley - he did his Ph.D. on Pythagorean philosophy and it was published by Oxford. As Kingsley shows Pythagorean philosophy is actually the same as Eastern teachings (Buddhism and Daoism) - and so my own teacher did 49 days of nonstop cave meditation in padmasana full lotus (no sleep and no food for 49 days in silence). thanks
And the most funny thing is ignorence of the whole idea. In a nutshell, I have been listening to this heavenly music for the last two and a half years. Meditation has brought me to this stage where this indescribable music is resonating in my head 24×7. The most funny thing is I am a 4th stage cancer patient and I have only a limited period of time to live in this world. Till then The Almighty has given me his grace to hear this heavenly music which is from another dimension. God is great!
"IF YOU SHOULD IN THIS WORLD BRING MANY THOUSANDS SORTS OF MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS TOGETHER, AND ALL SHOULD BE TUNED IN THE BEST MANNER MOST ARTIFICIALLY, AND THE MOST SKILLFUL MASTERS OF MUSIC SHOULD PLAY IN CONCERT ALL WOULD BE NO MORE THAN THE HOWLINGS AND BARKINGS OF DOGS IN COMPARISON OF THE DIVINE MUSIC, WHICH RISES THROUGH THE DIVINE SOUND AND TUNES FROM ETERNITY TO ETERNITY."
he wasent greek. just because greece does not exist in this time. :P
he was Sumer or maybe Pelazg
john goti Macedonian?
Braindead brought me here
same @_@"
Nathanf1989 can you post a link please?
Of course Pythagoras thought that earth is geocentric Schumann resonances is one of evidence, why talk about music in empty space without any listeners that just illogical.
Arturas Karbocius the funny thing is the position of anything and motion of anything is only measurable relative to something else The model of mapping the solar system on a "ring" of orbits is flawed because it's spiraling across the universe which creates a more eliptical orbit than circular or more precisely a corkscrew pattern or Fibonacci spiral. The earth could still be viewed as anchored as a center moving in a straight line or in a spiral and you could adjust the motion of the planets and sun relative to the earth to show earth as the center.
The universe follows more of the motion of a molecule spiraling across the galexy and universe encoding sort of it's genetic sequence.
but regardless of the perspective you choose for the clockwork universe, any model other than heliocentric in nature shows the orbits parallax to appear to woft and wave dancing in the sky, which prograde and retrograde motion in parallaxing creating ratio points between the spheres, sure, the transit models make pretty designs like the flower of 5 petals of geocentric model. but in which regard does the corkscrew of the earth through space following the sun's orbit of the galaxy to contain the golden ratio? genuinely curious. for the sun to move 1 degree. the earth would corkscrew around 72 times. and the earth would spin 26,928 times. where in this whole cosmic journey does the golden ratio appear concerning the corkscrew path Terra takes following Sol through his Journey around Sagittarius a.
jUSTiNIAN H'OMAN Are you asking where the golden ratio is found in spirals like the corkscrew earth you mentioned? The spiral is the ratio
Of course Kemet first where else .
Study poetry?
GEOCENTRIC not heliocentric.
Interesting lecture but the person coughing during the whole lecture just ruined it for me..I feel for the people sitting close to him 😒
There's ALWAYS a cougher at these lectures. !! Or a throat clearer ! If I ever have to give a lecture I will make it clear before I
start : one cough and you're
Out !!
does the catholic church still have neoplatonic data. ie astrological observations recorded on papyrus? hidden? away from world knowledge? if so they dont own the rights to it. why dont htye release it?
It would destroy their narrative.
The satellites are in the atmosphere
There is no sound in the space
Emptiness
Here there is sound because we have belts
You cant get out of earth
Maybe they read the ancient greeks and try to understand
Astonishing that this poor guy thinks there erect satellites in "space"
Started off fairly well until the whiz kid got going.
Of course there isn’t most of Greek History is created by academia lol
No answer to golden ratio and 440. Academics at its finest. This is the crap that makes your whole presentation, in my opinion, not so good.
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