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- Naruto Uzimaki VS Ichigo Kurosaki. Who is the true winner of this matchup? One of the most heavily debated topics in all of Anime Power Scaling. So who wins? Watch till the end to find out.
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lowballed the fuck outta ichigo just for him to still curbstomp 😭🤦🏾♂️🔥
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Tbf he didn't really say everything about naruto either
@@chrono733 you really think Naruto is hitting Galaxy level ?
@@GoldAEX Neither of these characters are galaxy level
@@dizzyb2309yeah I agree. At most Ichigo is universal level.
I haven't wached the video yet but I'm gona guess that ichigo slams
I mean is that is the factual Outcome
@@Midlletrack-Top-Fan It is
@@Midlletrack-Top-Fan ofc
@@Midlletrack-Top-Fan obviously
@@OmenLamb yep
The scariest thing about the bleachverse is that the soul society can kidnap an entire city, and replace it with an exact replica. Imagine if naruto came home to find out that pain called up his shinigami buddies and just had konoha taken to another dimension/universe. Way crazier than any battling.
mutafuka lowballed him and ichigo still claps
@Markus 😂😂😂 Narutotard triggered 😂😂
@Markus when you have no idea about AP
@Markus think of it however you want to. I’m not deluding myself even if I hate or haven’t watched a show.
@Markus you’ve watched the show with your eyes at the back of your head then. Stone level AP you say? Talk about Aizen destroying the Cleaner. Tell me what the Cleaner resembles.
@Markus ichigo is Galaxy-Uni drop cord so you can loose
I'm glad people are starting to understand the over the top powers in Bleach. These characters go crazy AF.
And this guy even lowballed the bleach characters.
You can get them to high multi+-low complex multiversal.
he lowballed the doodoo out of Ichigo . saying Yhwach isnt BAREST OF MINIMUM universal+ in 2023 is comedy to the highest degree
Dragon Ball
Bleach
Naruto
One Piece
I knew it from the starting and that's how these 4 anime are.... I added dragon ball because people thinks it's in the big 3 lol..... Keep whining and crying but Naruto verse is stronger than One Piece... Not to mention that Boruto shit..... It might even surpass Bleach because Bleach has ended on the other hand Boruto is still going.
@@chrisboricua1911 Bro I’m so glad someone else with common sense exists. YWACH Bach is top 5 strongest anime characters ever concept. The character literal only weakness is dependent on him allowing you to do it unless he just says no 💀. otherwise he just says no to whatever you do to him or around him.
@@smilyface4300 well actually his only weakness is a plot arrow made by the author to turn off "The Almighty" ability which is basically Plot Manipulation and Fate Manipulation and his other weakness is Sosuke Aizen
Bro didn't even go into Ichigo's EARLY SERIES light speed scaling using his scaling above the EARLY SEIRES lieutenants who can react to light and he STILL managed to beat his ass 60 40
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And he said that the soul king is star level and in his prime the soul king is literally the strongest in the verse and compared almost dead soul king to yhawch
To he fair though, Naruto in part 2 was already faster than light due to the fight with haku and his ice mirrors
Even if Naruto would somehow gain the upper hand which he wouldn't, Ichigo would just get a new form because he suddenly remembered that one of his ancestors was a actually a god of destruction so he unlocks another form and absolutely stomps Naruto.
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Naruto would simply erase Ichigo from existence 🥱
@@karuta-hu6gq bot replying wont make a difference
@@karuta-hu6gq get's stomped by tanjiro flash back force 🥱
@@mafaki4155 Orihime's victim
Ichigo erases the Naruto verse with pure spiritual pressure lmfao they can do nothing if he decides to just soul crush them all
A line up of madara, sasuke, obito, naruto, and add whoever can stop him 😂
@@therealbnasty3719they can’t even see the squad captains of bleach those are other monsters
@@highroporter4220 isshiki, madara, sasuke, naruto, sasuke, obito, itachi simply slams debate me 💀
@@highroporter4220me gusta que estes de parte de bleach pero ellos no pueden ser vistos por gente que no es rara o no tiene algun poder osea que si los podrian ver
@@kurokitsune489 son como fantasmas pues
Ichigo's spirit pressure alone might be enough to kill Naruto. Yeah you are right this fight isn't even close lol.
u dreaming
@@SnowyLL nah u dreaming
you know how retard you sound?@@RadiantCloudSky
Naruto on top your crazy
@@ogggamingandmore No he’s not
The bleach lowball is crazy
*highball
@@RaZz_skwdym kenpachi destroyed a whole meteor, and either way i dont think bleach characters need to destroy the planet, environment, or the fucking solar system, just because you want more damn feats, that is not how it works, its called fucking plot, the plot wouldn’t fucking exist if they did that, also to mention they are trying to fucking protect people without causing high damage, lick my balls if you think otherwise
Massively lowball
@@RaZz_sklow ball he called the universe that the soul King split into 2 universes "galaxies" lmao that's a lowball
@@RaZz_sk The soul king splits realities to create world and Ichigo was planned to replace him.
So a correction on the bleach part:
You said the collapse of the 3 worlds wouldn't be the destruction of the space and your kinda right the 3 worlds were originally one the soul king and the original nobles shaped the world how it is now so with the soul king dead the house of cards come falling down, the reason why the memehaga could stop the collapse is because it holds the power of stagnation
True it had the power of stagnation to slow it down or keep it from getting worse
Memehaga basically did with the world what he did with ukitake which is just hitting the pause button on its collapse
@@JamesThomas-cm2xq i aint understanding shits here should i come after tybw manga?
@@sajinao1221 yep
Its mimihagi haha
funny that to this day we still havent seen ichigos full power
like yuha took more half his power
and ichigo still able to kill him
Because ishida sealed ywachs power.
@@Topg924 no
It only temporary disable his abilities
Like the allmighty for a sec
Only ichigo still the only one that can kill him
@@Ephemerthefish2525 it disabled all of his powers. Ishida used an arrow that seals away all of a quicies power for a few seconds.
@@Topg924 He was still on par with the soul king using his powers, and Ichigo was so threatening that once he activated bankai, Ywah literally used his hax to make it so he'd never have to face it. And even after that, Ichigo still one shot him, legit killed him, and he used revival hax quite literally saying "I removed the future of death for myself"- so that he wouldn't die from the FATAL blow.
People need to know ichigo is the strongest of the big 3 by a long shot
not even close dude who made video didnt even do it right. speed is wrong power ranking is so wrong
@@SnowyLLJust take the L
no way you low key be commenting on everything i repplied to get a job lol. dude the person who made vid didnt do speed and power ranking right lol.@@Roblox_God0284
People are waaaay too literal when Naruto characters say "they'll destroy the world" Madara's and Obito's goal was never to blow up the planet. They wanted to destroy the "Shinobi world" the "world" that caused them both so much pain and anguish. When they say "destroy the world" they mean destroy it's structure and create a knew society or way of life. Kaguya is another one thats completely blown out of proportion. We see stars in Kaguya's dimension but nothing actually states that she made them. Team 7 didn't even beat her physically, they just sealed her with the Yin and Yang seals they got from the sage of six paths... you can't scale naruto to star level with that lol there is no tangible evidence 😂
Then you go on to say that the soul king is at least small star when he's reaponsible for multiple dimensions worth of souls that HE created... and without a soul king all of reality would cease to exist... where are you getting these scales from my guy? I sense some bias here 😂
Not to mention even the garganta which holds the 2 realms and countless infinite pocket dimensions were about to collapse because of soul king😂
Most of the time people forget that Ichigo has the ability to remove souls from living beings with his sword
Going off of Cero scaling, Ichigo's speed completely blows naruto out of the water. Ceros are stated in multiple databooks to be light, and thus lightspeed. In the very first arc, Ichigo deflected a Gillian's cero, which is a feat that can be anywhere between 10% lightspeed and 2x lightspeed, tho the most consistent calc is 30% light speed. In the soul society arc, a severely weakened Shuhei reacted to and dodged Nagacion while off guard. Now, all that has been confirmed is that Nagacion is faster than a Cero but we do not know how much. Also when a suppressed Shikai Ichigo first showed up at the sokyoku, he instantly blitzed 3 lieutenants. Now Isane and Omaeda are fodder, but Chojiro is a different story. As revealed in the TYBW an immature and unrefined Chojiro was strong enough to permanently scar Yamamoto. Also Urahara was able to casually react to Yammy's bala. Now even tho Yammy's cero is definitely faster than a gillian's due to spiritual pressure difference, I'm gonna keep the cero at lightspeed for consistency's sake. Balas are stated to be 20x faster than ceros, and Urahara was reacting to them in shikai. Now I won't spoil what Urahara's bankai does, but he does have one and Bankai is a x10 multiplier. There's also the feat of Shunsui dodging Cero Metralleta, but that feat has so many different calcs that conflict with each other, now this feat has been calced everywhere from 5x lightspeed to literally thousands of times lightspeed, tho it seems the most widely accepted calc puts it at around 200x light speed, and he also has a x10 bankai reiatsu amp and in bleach all your stats scale to your reiatsu. Now let's get spicy. The Ulquiorra cero scaling. Ulquiorra said that the Cero Oscura is "orders of magnitude superior to a normal cero". Now that can mean a lot of things as an order of magnitude is a multiple of 10, and he specifically says orders plural, so I'll use the lowest number possible at 30x normal cero. It has to be more than 20x as thats a bala's speed amp and
they are even not close of lightspeed... lol :S
Haku was stated to move at lightspeed so you can argue kid naruto had lightspeed reactions and go from there
Bro a bit to long
@@luminousxii The difference is, that statement is an outlier whereas lightspeed scaling bleach is A LOT more consistent. If Haku was actually lightspeed, then that would cause a lot of inconsistencies in later scaling. Also if Haku was lightspeed, he could have easily just moved Zabuza out of the way of Kakashi's lightning speed attack.
@@gipsymelody1268 I don't even know how ur fighting back
Have not watched the video, but I am going to comment. Nope, not close.
Ichigo overpowers and outspeeds Naruto massively. Ichigo has universal feats, Naruto has Planetary at his best. Light speed feats since the ending of the Soul society while Naruto got his at the end of shippuden
Reikage would only have that relative light speed from his cloak, not in base.
Edit-> About Kaguya reducing a planet to nothing, obviously that is using a giant truth seeking orb. So Hax, not power
Edit after watching the full video->
You really down played God of Bleach to be Star-Solar system level, that is some massive downplay.
Yuha also would not be stronger than his father without absorbing him.
I'm not even going to mention Gremmy's Galaxy room Kenpachi cut himself out off. It was a real Galaxy.
Gremmy actually created a Universe not just a Galaxy in the Japanese version of the manga there’s a Kanjin that mean Universe,
Scaling him to low Universal
Fax these guys dont know what there talking about lol
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@@Chillchildren999Nah, the kanji is 宇宙空間 "uchuu kuukan". It literally translates to "universe space". This is a word for "outer space". The kanji for "universe" is there, but the word itself is not "universe".
He does have a minimum of 3 galaxies + numerous stars in that outer space, though, and those are real. Multi-galactic feat.
See? Ichigo slams Naruto easily unlike the debatable Dio vs Alucard... You know, 3 million lives
What I gather from this is that Ichigo and Naruto are somewhat comparably in a similar tier of power by the end of their series, at least when looking at EVERYTHING, while Luffy is pretty much objectively the weakest of the Big 3
Basically yes.
(tad bit off topic)
exactly its so interesting that 2 of the main goats of the big 3 are similar in power.
One of the reasons why scaling can be so fun in the first place.
its incredible how people want a fight to be one sided. just thinking about it makes me so bored, idk why anyone would ever think that💀
This massively lowballed ichigo
Ichigo is far above Naruto to the point putty is closer to Naruto then Naruto is to ichigo by light years
Luffy would actually be the strongest, he has toonforce and they can’t counteract that.
@@fackyoutube8452 limited toon force, elsewise he'd be capable of having an unlimited stamina pool which he couldnt run out of gear 5 and create one shot attacks against any opponent he faced which he cant shown against Kaido.
Ichigo > better abilities 😂
Ichigo > more valid solar scaling 💀
Erases Naruto with spiritual pressure 🤣
Baryon mode not enough even though he said 60/40 just before that 💀
now this is gold 😂
Baryon mode literally only erases a few days
@@gamercentral2417 Baryon mode is a massive stats amp you nerd
@@gamercentral2417 are we going to ignore that kurama said that this form is unlike anything naruto has ever used? or are we going to ignore that too
@@candytime-_- it’s obviously physically strongest, but kcm has more variety and use
I didn't finish watching the video yet but I just got a thought.
Wouldn't every main character from Arrancar arc onward be at least somewhat equal to 10 tails madara? Seeing that Might Guy had to use a level of power that would have killed him to perform an attack so powerful/fast it actually bent space which could greatly damage madara. Meanwhile all Espada are capable of using a gran rey cero which actually distorts the fabric of space and time. Meaning someone like Grimmjow could unleash a similar amount of power as Guy by just cutting his finger slightly without the power overwhelming him and nearly killing him.
Just a random thought/opinion.
Yes but that's irrelevant because the major power jump in naruto happens in the end of the war/boruto era
This may be a late reply but nooo. 10 tails madara slams the whole espada and its not close. It wasn’t the warping space that damaged madara it was the sheer force that damaged him. Also guy warping space was only to point out how fast he is, because warping space with speed is literally impossible. Warping space has everything to do with how dense something is. Not only that 10 tails madara casually scaling to planetary. You can get him even higher but yeah.
@@JasonAnderson-oe4pu what about 10 tails madara vs sternhitters?
@@mufeezsyed2664 madara in character would utterly get destroyed. But if he’s bloodlusted then I can see him taking out most of them with limbo clones and Tso alone. It’s just the heavy hitters like lile barro and Jugram he would struggle on. I can see sternritters winning vs bloodlusted juubi 3 eyed madara high-extremely high diff. Limbo clones and tso is just too broken and would be hard for them to deal with
@@JasonAnderson-oe4pu tso broken? For thier verse probably can't be said same for bleach where every attack or weapon is soul erasure.agreed he would take out the lowest sternhitters but he's not touching the royal guards.
Good video, but I do disagree with a few things so please hear me out.
Base Naruto is actually stronger than base Momoshiki since he was able to hold his own against a transformed Momoshiki for a lot longer than the other four kage who were able to push a base Momoshiki into a corner.
(Now I know you said no universal scaling but I do feel as though Bleach had a strong enough argument for it so please hear me out)
when Aizen and Gin were passing through the dangai Aizen in his "post chrysalis form" ended up destroying the Kototsu/the cleaner which is not only a creature made of reason but it can also manipulate time & space and Aizen was able to destroy it with just a glance, and Ichigo at the end of the TYBW arc is many times more powerful then that version of Aizen. Thus this puts Ichigo around 4th dimensional in power if not higher.
Nigga no universal scaling ANYONE LOOKS STRONG WHEN U UNIVERSAL SCALE THEM
its even stated that he is a 1 d higher than aizen in the fight where he beomces dangai ichigo then mugetsu which current ichigo is 1000'sx stronger than. not to mention hes way stronger after TYBW in the CFYOW light novel but thats doing to much he can slam naruto in tybw alone
@@Belphemon1Even being lowballed, Ichigo solos the whole verse, -10 difficulty
THE FIRST SECTION OF YOUR STUFF DONT EVEN MAKES SENSE
Base Ichigo from the very first 30 episodes was already wielding a skyscraper disguised as a sword.
Ichigo within the first 100 episode slams the whole verse. All he needs is to activate his bankai and he negs him
When Naruto and Ichigo fought, it was revealed that Ichigo’s great-great-grandparents are Uchiha and Uzumaki while his uncle is the legendary super Saiyan and his nephew is the pirate king. Sorry but Ichigo low diff
Like naruto has tailed beast sage mode six path mode etc etc... he also has wider skill pool for each of to that. But yeah still İchigo would wreck him
@@T212Y naruto will win
@@T212Y both of you got wooshed
Yeah but naruto is the biological grandson of both the soul king and yammamoto and nephew of vegeta
@@princedomkam7972has visto bleach?
ichigo violates the verse
dude who made video did everything wrong. also otsuki god would destroy ichigo the otusuki god is galaxy level even further
@@SnowyLLTroll🍰👁️
Love the video but in the CFYOW light novels 'Tokinada' the villian of the story mentioned that "Yhwach" was going to affect the entire universe multiple times.
Both Verses Habe Uni Scaling He Just Low Balling.
@@christianphrenger7902 naruto does not have uni scalings. With shibai it’s galaxy at best. Naruto himself hasn’t gotten past solar system (highballed)
@@Stanzbey69 Okay So One Solar System Isn't Even A Highball As Kaguya Has Multi Solar Feats Alongside Base Momoshiki On Panel With Kaguya Creating Five At Minimal Solar System Sized Dimensions And Momoshiki Creating A Dimension With DOZENS Of Stars.
Two What From Shibais 4D Statements And Comfirmed Omnipotent Power Suggests Galaxy Or Multi Galaxy Level?
Three Naruto DOES Have Uni+ Scaling Kaguya Creates 5 Timespace/Hyperspaces Which Are 4D Continuums Which Makes Each A Uni+ Structure, Kaguya Can Take The Chakra Used To Create These Spaces And Just Add It To Ninjutsu Or Taijutsu.
Four Base Momoshiki Also Creates A Spacetime/Hyperspace, Hagaromo Is Stated to Have The Power To Create And Destroy All Things In Creation, Kinshiki Can Cut All Things In The Universe.
There Are So Many Uni+ Arguments For Naruto, I Just Named Four Off the Head.
@@christianphrenger7902 her feats are planetary where are you getting multisolar from 😂😂. Y’all naruto fans just making up feats
@@Stanzbey69 How Are They Planetary When There Are Literally Stars In ALL Her Dimensions? We See In The Anime & Momoshiki Novel Her Main Dimension Has A Star, The Desert Dimension Has A Star (Sasuke Literally Blocks His Face From It's Light In Manga & Anime.) This Is Just Consistent.... Also Again Kaguya = Base Momoshiki Who Also Created A Spacetime With Dozens Of Stars.
The Contents Of The Dimensions Matters Little When They Are Uni+ In Size In General.
Just marinate on the fact that common Bleach Characters nonchalantly have abilities which are considered S-Rank Jutsu in Naruto. With various Captains, Sternritter, Espada, etc. who would destroy the most powerful of Kage level characters...
All of them can fly better than Onoki.
Many more are faster than Minato or A.
Have physical strength which exceeds Tsunade.
Exhibit energy blasts & explosions that would make Jinchuriki & Deidara blush.
Are highly proficient with weapons to the point where Taijutsu is irrelevant.
Have lived hundreds if not thousands of years longer than any of Madaras wildest wet dreams.
Have Bankai or Schrift that far outshine thee most overpowered ability of the Narutoverse being the Mangekyo Sharingan.
I could go on and on...
Bleach is on another level that Naruto just can't compete with. We're talking about angelic & demonic level beings which preside over responsibilities that God (the soul king) gave them. They're on a higher plane which is far beyond that of the mortal ninjas of Naruto.
Actually it is stated the universe would collapse if the soul balance was off, it was stated 5 times in early bleach when they speak about why they Quincy were killed. So yes, you can apply universal.
EDIT: it’s also stated in the novel that if ichigo didn’t defeat yhwach “the three worlds would turn back to a universe with no cycling of konpaku” you also forget by claiming strongest yhwach is max solar system then by your logic gremmy is stronger than yhwach since gremmy was stated in CFYOW “to instantly create outerspace in the soul society” and showed it in TYBW, where we can see thousands of stars inside and even a galaxy or large star cluster at an angle but mainly looks like a galaxy when compared to Hubble images of such. All schrift are portions of yhwachs soul made of reishi and reishi gives out spirit energy, which means they all scale to energy based hax, so yes gremmy had to energy to be large multi star level to low galaxy atleast. So yhwach can’t be below him due to obvious scaling reasons and gerard scaling to above shikai kenpachi who beat gremmy by gremmy not being able to withstand his spirit energy. And gerard is weaker than just post soul king and mimihagi absorbed yhwach as he was scared of his form and obviously scales below, this isn’t even with almighty activated which still gives an amp in energy and obviously major hax. So yhwach should be above all of them so solar system max makes no sense.
Yessss another fellow novel reader.
Yes gremmy indeed created outer space he even calls it galaxy room.
@@mufeezsyed2664 people want to hate on bleach so much they deny what’s directly shown and stated. Unreal
simple, if Naruto isnt capable to whistand Ulquiorra or Grimmjow, he cant test the Bleachverse.
he has insane regen so he can and naruto could easy dodge then ichigo speed isnt even light speed embarrasing
@@SnowyLL Ulquiorra has far better regen than anyone in the Narutoverse but even aside the regen stuff it won't help Naruto when the gap in AP and speed is that huge.
dude your a retard move your self lol its already been proved naruto fast than ichigo. like dude naruto in baryon mode moves 88x speed of light fighting a god@@piccoloatburgerking
@@piccoloatburgerking not really
@@ouibscfdadade1245 lol
I really think the reason why people have a hard time comprehending another character being stronger than naruto or even naruto characters is because they haven’t watched the anime. Bleach hasn’t insane amounts of OP and had characters it’s crazy. I remember when I saw he could beat naruto years ago and my ppl looked at me like I was crazy. Happy that it’s getting the recognition it deserves. Well done guys.
Nobody is having a hard time cos naruto scale over bleach and it is not close, no amount of wanking will help you
Also one thing I want to throw in here is, when we go into this match up with the pre-condition that Reiatsu and Chakra is seen as the same. The Reiatsu of Ichigo is that strong that it even influence the people around him, even though he does reduce it by instinct to a level where it is the lowest it can get without knowing how to reduce the Reiatsu output. If we now consider Reiatsu as the same as Chakra that means his Chakra level is so damn high that it also influence others to get even stronger, by just be with them and do nothing. And that was just before he got even really strong at all. Before he even got his real Zanpakuto.
Sure the Chakra of Naruto is strong and he has a lot, but even he can not send it out against his will because he has that much of it, that it overflows his existence. That also is because Ichigo is not just a Shinigami. He is a human, a Shinigami, a Qunicy, a Vizard/Fullbringer, and a Hollow too. So he is pretty much all there is in one person. That is why he is that strong.
what in the ramble
@@Shaka_TM its true tho
There’s also Ichigo being permanently forced into Shikai for having too much reiatsu
I mean yeah but also the fact Reiatsu on some level can literally just ripp someone's soul out with It's spiritual pressure as shown by Yammy
@@madeinheaven7125 Yea you are right, but these only apply on weaker souls, these which are not really can hold against this soul drain Yammy used. But still Reiatsu does have an impact on the souls of the people around them, and the stronger the Reiatsu the worse is the effect it has. You also can see that Reiatsu can be used as an indirectional weapon. Aizen just walked through people which got ripped apart because their bodies were not strong enough. He just walk through them. And Ichigo has at normal state at least as much as Aizen got. In the fight against Aizen he also has much more on a level that Aizen was not able to feel the trace of Ichigos Reiatsu. Means when Ichigo would fight in the Ultimate Zangetsu form, NO ONE WOULD SURVIVE THIS, at least no one under the level of Aizen who was a god at that time more or less. So no matter how fast and strong Naruto is, as long as he can not become a Shinigami he stood no chance. Also like I said before, he could not even hit Ichigo, not because he can not see him, just because the Reiatsu of Ichigo is so dense, that no real world weapon would hurt him at all, since the only thing which can hurt a Shinigami is a Zanpakuto or a Hollow and Naruto is not any of that. Also in the Bankai form Ichigo is much faster he is even so fast that a true master of the Shunpo a movement which is much faster than a lightning bolt can not follow his movement. So how could Naruto follow that?
I do like Naruto but we should be real here Ichigo is a Shinigami a literal DEATH GOD! So he is a entity like the thing Narutos father summoned to seal the Kyuubi in Naruto, so Naruto would not have a chance against such beings.
I appreciate the effort, this is more than what most put in. It still Kindle feels like this was guesstimation and a few things were overlooked. Great video though
You extremely highballed Naruto and lowballed ichigo still ichigo slams in base form
how
@@ashokeyland Ichigo Extreme lowballed Galaxy level and naruto highballed solar system
@@ashokeyland dude ichigo defeated aizen butterfly form who mind you was stronger than the aizen who destroyed the cleaner which was a existence that denied all laws of physics and instead based itself on reason and this thing was destroyed by a glance and ichigo embarassed this guy's stronger versions and this wasn't even in the final arc.
@@zaimhoque8418 no😂
He highballed ichigo and lowballed Naruto
Its confirmed the dimension are larger even in anime its backed up by Muken alone being infinite which people argued agaisnt do to mistranslation or possible not meaning that, and Peripice world is commonly agreed on being 4D
High balled Naruto is Solar System Level, due to upscaling from people like Momoshiki.
Average Mid Balled Ichigo is around Universal, due to massively upscaling from Yamamoto, who could eventually destroy the entire Soul Society, which has a night sky, and is more than likely just a straight up separate universe.
High balled, Ichigo is anywhere from Multi-Universal+ to Low Multiversal, due to upscaling from Zero Squad, whos mere release of Bankai can shake all three realms, which are more than likely considered infinite, due to them all needing to contain every dead soul, and being stated to be the same size, and because they're all the same size, Hueco Mundo, Soul Society, and the Living World. As such, Ichigo being more powerful than Yhwach, in raw AP anyways, would put him at around Low Multiversal/Multi Universal+.
Amazing video as always Toaster
People really think nartuo can beat a universal buster like ichigo😂
He himself is multiversal
He not uni
@@ironbat5481 is
@@archflamingo9156 no he not
Ichigo is country level fodder
Sasuke at no point during the summit was faster than the raikage lmao.....
yes he was
@@SnowyLL no he wasn't
@@SnowyLL considering he needed 9 tail mode to make the feats, i doubt just sage mode would do it.
Thank you for this Video. I am a Big Fan of the big three espacially Naruto and finding a Video based on these facts was really good and understandable. I allready thought that ichigo wins but it is allways good to hear the facts. Thank you for the good video and i am looking forward to the next one.
PS: are you also comparing Anime with superheros? Or only Anime?
I plan on covering a lot of different fiction works aside from anime
I feel like what people also forget is the whole like, Shinigami can't be seen ordeal?
Like, you'd see the same situation with JJBA characters trying to fight Naruto as well.
Theres a lot of tropes of "unseen spirits" so, ideally here Naruto wouldn't see Ichigo in Shinigami form unless he (for some reason) has a high "spiritual" energy. And, tbh, even if he DID, it would be Ext Difficult
Ichigo’s Reiatsu was too potent for the World of the Living during TYBW. Narutoverse is getting sent back to the lobby
I think including lightfang as an FTL argument weakens the overall Naruto FTL debate. It's pretty clearly an aim-dodge, Naruto doesn't dodge the extension of the light itself just Madara's movement after, and there are other great FTL examples to fall back on to the point that including what is pretty clearly not an FTL action (Madara moving his neck) is pretty silly.
Ichigo has robust FTL feats as far back as Fake Karakura town arc, dodging Gin's bankai extension which is stated to be roughly half the speed of light in databooks. Ichigo does this in either base or shikai? Don't remember but Ichigo's bankai is roughly 10x speed of Shikai so it really doesn't matter. This is also pre-dangai Ichigo which is basically an exponential increase. Even better though, Ichigo's first action upon getting his new zanpakuto in TYBW is relativistic travel back to Seireitei sustained for days and then immediately dismantling like 6 quincies with FTL feats on panel incredibly casually. This is new base Ichigo, with the same rough 10x multiplier for his shikai and then another for his bankai making this truly absurd in retrospect. That's not even counting Horn of Salvation form.
Basically Ichigo scales to nearly statue-ing Naruto. Baryon Mode doesn't compare to any of this speed wise.
Gins bankai was never stated half the speed of light in fact gin himself claims it's mach 500 to that same karakura town Ichigo you mentioned so it's not even close to light speed , also the databook states it's mach 500 with a technique that doubles the speed to mach 1000
@@yusuke9350There's a databook that states it's over mach 500000. This is over half of the speed of light, roughly .56754c
The light was extending slower than Madara turning his head.
There’s no actual statements to confirm the speed of any of Ichigo’s feats and every single calc is shown to be inconsistent especially when the multipliers are taken into consideration.
@@onesmart229 That's a hilarious statement, truly hilarious considering you wrote zero statements of Ichigo's speed and claiming that's inconsistent but Madara has FTL neck movement. Good shit bro
You only really presented this matchup with the focus on stats, so I am curios if hax and abilites are changing the verdict in any way.
From what I read regarding this topic, the versatility on narutos end could be a problem for ichigo even if he has a advantage in raw stats.
Or is it already considered within the 40/60 rate of your verdict?
I find it fun to watch anime debates of characters I don’t even know
Subbed and liked after this video. Awesome content dude🙏
ichigo had many amps in his fight with ywach ichigos true bankai+ horn of salvation is above than ywach beacause we saw aizen ay that ywach was struggling against ichigo in true bankai but as we know the hax of yawch he saw it in the future and broke his zanpktou or ichigo vs ywach would have been a very close fight and there must be no need for aizen this is my opinion i think he scales galaxy level
Just wanted to say your take was pretty good and I agree that ichigo wins but I kinda wanna give my opinion out, I have Naruto’s Ap at Large Planatery-Star level and ichigo’s Solar system-Galaxy. Now for Naruto correct me if I’m wrong but most of the Kaguya dimension feats were a mistranslation and have been debunked by a lot of creators so I don’t really agree with solar system. I agree with the jubito part for planetary and how naruto should be much stronger now in adult form. Now I may be a little biased but here me out. I have ichigo winning Low/Mid diff. Weaker charcaters like Kenpachi are able to cut through Outer space that was materialized from gremmy, the panel had dozens of stars and one observable galaxy. He did this in base shikai aswell. Most people try to debunk this argument by saying this is more of a Galaxy hax feat then overall Ap since Reishi correlates to your moves and spiritual pressure for sternritters. But in one of the novels is says in bold text that this is real outer space and it was materialized from gremmy which is a galaxy creation feat and Kenpachi sliced through it like butter, while I agree uni is a highball for ichigo it’s still possible. The garganta which is a time space I’m pretty sure which hole all the realms are uni in size, yhwach was stated in multiple occasions to have the power to collapse it entirely, hos ichigo was relative to yhwach in strength meaning he scales to this, unfortunately this is a far stretched highball so I’m not against if you don’t agree with it, ichigo has better hax while naruto has more abilities. Overall this video was really good and I hope you reply
Kaguya dimensions weren’t mistranslated your talkin about Momoshiki dimension mistranslated to our knowledge (it’s an argument since the viz translation says Parallel world) which says it’s a parallel universe to the main one he created with his own chakra.
Weaker charcaters like Kenpachi are able to cut through Outer space that was materialized from gremmy, the panel had dozens of stars and one observable galaxy. He did this in base shikai aswell. Most people try to debunk this argument by saying this is more of a Galaxy hax feat then overall Ap since Reishi correlates to your moves and spiritual pressure for sternritters. But in one of the novels is says in bold text that this is real outer space and it was materialized from gremmy which is a galaxy creation feat and Kenpachi sliced through it like butter
Ah yes galaxy level shikai kenpachi( looks like it's time for me to shoot down clorax wank)
#1: Gremmy's galaxy room was stated by shunsui in CFYOW ( lN) to be a pocket dimension that gremmy materialized/ made almost instantaneously with the help of his clones. Although we saw multiple stars and an irregular galaxy within it we must also take into consideration that it expanded no bigger than a city block,( we literally saw clones of gremmy surrounding galaxy room which he then used to trap kenpachi in) in the area that both kenpachi and gremmy held their battle).
#2: Gremmy does in fact follow the same power system that is established in the series( bleach) .
(bleach.fandom.com/wiki/Reiryoku) SPIRITUAL PRESSURE
(bleach.fandom.com/wiki/Reishi) Reishi the power that all quincies use to use their powers.
Like all quincies gremmy uses/ manipulates reshi to perform all of his feats shown. His visionary uses reishi like all other quincy abilities ( you can't say it doesn't the series already establishes this). This would logically mean that everything that gremmy created using the visionary is made of reishi hence why the persons who were trying to debunk this were correct.
#3:It only stands to reason that you didn't read the manga or rather the specific chapter where kenpachi fought gremmy correctly. As we knew we saw gremmy materializing outer space in order to trap kenpachi with an attack he can't cut( ah gremmy you dumbass) in order to kill zaraki. We then saw kenpachi literally cut his way out of gremmy's galaxy room with nozarashi and was able cut an off guard gremmy in the process.
But...but you yourself said that he cut his way out of galaxy room, that would already prove that he was able to cut a galaxy in half?
And to that I'd say ( do you remember the part where we saw kenpachi eyes through that hole he slashed open in gremmy's galaxy room) nevermind I'll show you (www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fvsbattles.com%2Fthreads%2Fkenpachi-space-cutting-feat.35653%2F&psig=AOvVaw0vxitbmhsHHO5eYdtRKAyh&ust=1679954287371000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CBAQjRxqFwoTCPik56e--v0CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAJ ). He did not destroy any galaxy lmfao all he did was cut space to escape gremmy's galaxy room, So yh no galaxy level kenpachi or gremmy who imagined himself stronger than kenpachi but then died.
@@candytime-_- Dude, have you every heard "The inside is larger than the outside"
So what if the clones surrounded the outside, the inside is more massive.
This is done multiple times in fiction.
@@khulmach9662 so did you not read my reply above on how both kenpachi and gremmy are nowhere near galaxy level in AP
Dude, have you every heard "The inside is larger than the outside"
the definition of a pocket dimension
Do you have any counter argument to my previous reply?
@@candytime-_- What proof do you have That Kenpachi cannot do it in Shikai?
Its like saying Z Goku was not Galaxy level at super Saiyan 3.
By the End of Bleach everything is turned up to 11.
thanks this is a great scaling comparison
Great video bro!
Death battle was wrong aSf
Excellent video. This is probably the most accurate analysis for this fight that I’ve seen.
this was also a portion of his power that wasnt suppressed because he was supposed to be a quincy and not soul reaper, but,became a hollow, soul reaper, and a quincy.
What do you think of Hapi 117 and ThunderGod's disagreements and debunk of scaling Kaguya to solar system tier?
It's obvious ichigo solos the verse in base form cry about it narutards
Ichigo is country level fodder
Luffy one shots
@@RaZz_skhavent watched an episode of bleach in your life be quiet stupid child 🤫
I mean minato literally summon a shinigami to seal nine tails , and ichigo is also a shinigami like i think one of the most powerful one , and you guys are still debating about naruto vs ichigo
we literally see orochimaru survive this exact same reaper death seal and u think ichigo is going to struggle against it?
Ichigo is not only the powerfull one but a literal passed candidate for next diety if anything happens to the current one. For naruto verse he'll be king of shinigami
@@w0ckyy893 i think you misunderstood me i meant that even 9 tails get owned by a normal shinigami and ichigo is one of the most strongest shinigami naruto would need to come close to death to even see him
Amazing video
I have several questions...
Kenpachi destroyed a pocket dimension containing a mini galaxy which was created by gremmy in order to defeat him...(Only manga Kenpachi...not also SAFYW or CFYOW Kenpachi)
Ichigo scales way higher than kenpachi...
He has mftl++ to infinite speed...due to covering the distance to soul kings palace in 9 hrs 15 mins(check out the distance and then gauge his speed)
His durab is off the charts...ichigo trained in his bankai mode for 3 months straight in the dangai...
Him activating his bankai in his battle against ginjo destroyed a dimension...
He tanked a full incantation Hado 90: KuroHitsugi...which was stated to have enough gravity to warp time and space with ease by fully hollowfied aizen...who at that time said he transcended to the next dimensionality(so 4d) and still couldnt feel ichigo and said that he was in a higher plane than him(making him atleast 5d in mugetsu form)
His reatsu is so strong...he at a time was not allowed to enter the human world for some time as it would kill all human beings in the human world...
He has fate manipulation...resistence against kyouka suigetsu...
And his true bankai in horn of salvation form scared even Yhwach...so much that he had to use almighty to choose an alternate reality in which his sword was broken even before he attacked...and still ichigo managed to slice him with just his shikai...
(Forgot to add...he is a full on Soul King Candidate...a being that maintained the 3 dimensions stability...the human world hueco mundo and soul society...just by existing...even without his heart arms or legs)
So how does the fight goes 40-60 if they fought a 100 times?!
Isn't Ichigo overkill for naruto and his verse?!
Even conquestor and several other edittors also agree...
You kids really wank ichigo
@@userb72Naruto isnt close to ichigo
lmao, why is this a debate, ichigo solos the whole verse.
They're hard to compare because despite plot armor, Naruto actually does have some limitations when it comes to power so that the rest of the cast can maintain their identity. Ichigo for some reason has gone through every ability available in Bleach to the point where none of the other characters really feel unique because he could do everything they do, just better.
Ichigo is a shinigami, he's there when Naruto dies. Just as there was that shinigami reaper at Minato
This comment basically cements that you've literally never watched BLEACH. Ffs Naruto has an amazing side cast but BLEACH used it's side cast way better that people like Rock lee, Neji, Gaara were forgotten and characters like Kenpachi, Mayuri, Byakuya handsome of the best character development .
ALL ichigo does is shoot sword Iasers..what even is this response?
There's no way you compared Bleach's side characters to naruto lmao
"Can do everything but better"....clearly you need to actually watch bleach.
Yes he's abit of everything but he's definitely not the best in each category/races. Fullbring is inferior to tuskishima and ginjo, hollow he can't control it and lost control unlike the visords who some can use it for much longer, shinigami there's characters like ichibei and unohana that mastered sword, kido, kaido, healing techniques etc which ichigo doesn't have. And Quincy, he barely even used blute vein unintentionally so he is lacking in Quincy abilities.
So no he doesn't have it better than everyone, but yes he's a mix of everything which I don't see is bad as long it makes sense in the story which it does
Ichigo slams lmao.
Shinra shits on goku lmao
@@user-sd2dd7zw8q Wtf?
@@user-sd2dd7zw8q No he doesn’t he doesn’t even beat Ichigo
Can you please continue Archie Sonic vs Mario, xeno Goku vs fate stay night and Broly vs hulk please 🙏
Anybody who's seen Bleach in it's entirety knows the power scaling in bleach is just way apart from the power scaling in Naruto since pretty early on in both series. After Ichigo goes Vasto Lorde the game changed completely, not to mention what might be the most op form in all of bleach of any of it's chracters, Mugetsu. That aside, you earned my like with the Goku comment at the end!
From visual standpoint yea, statement wise I’d say they can be wanked both way up there
Mugetsu isnt that op. Tybw ichigo is far stronger than mugetsu.
chigo can solo the Naruto verse because he's faster and fought Yhwach and also destroyed hell.
All the dan boys of naruto,luffy, and Ichigo are getting me real tight
Ichigo's scaling has been different ever since Senjumaru shook 3 realms
That's not the only feat to why ichigo scales higher, ichigo withheld the weight of the cosmology (the wooden sword in irazusando) for his soul king candidacy ichigo already scales higher than senjumaru
Ichigo solos naruto he’s low multi wtf
I think it’s closer than ppl make it out to be but yea I also think ichigo wins cuz of his hax but yea nice vid
What are those hax
I fuck with this channel keep the good work up
Naruto slams... into the pavement after Ichigo obliterates him
Aizen destroyed the kotetsu, which does even operates with reiatsu and just flings what it touches through space time. Especially its kamui and that time turtle tool in boruto mashed into one.
Aizen destroyed it with just his spriritual pressure. Ichigo is stronger that that aizen. Naruto can not even compare to that.
For the first time on TH-cam somebody actually got the right outcome 🙈 OMG
I mean with Ichigo like you stated is easier to state he is solar system if not higher due to Bleach’s rule of reality
0:40 I LOVE YOU FOR THIS 😂. wtf is that drawing of poor ichigo????
Also ichigo has Quincy blood 🩸 meaning he can have range and speed boost with more stamina than Naruto since Quincy use the riatsu in the air not their own
hallow too nd he got soul king powers
Most accurate scaling ever!!! You can use the novel statements to even highball bleach characters to galaxy-uni. But to scale them using manga scans and all that. I think this is pretty good..
Well right but souo king is the only uni in the verse and Ichigo yhwach aizen are galaxy and the rest are continent to planetery and solar system and Yama is only solar system
@@Nelson349soul king is low multi, Yhwach is universal+ ichigo and Aizen is multi-galaxy, but you can scale them universal. Idk why y’all lowballing Yhwach the 3 realms are universes not “worlds”
this is why i dont do universe fights cuz ichigo would solo most universes unless u give everyone the ability to see and comprehend is spiritual power also people like gojo just cant be touched by other universes so these battles are hard to do
Man if only I have some money on me...I will give it to u to make an ichigo vs naruto But as guardians from destiny...that shit will be godly to listen to.
The thing is, what made yhwach scared of ichigo is his latent abilities, his max potential. Ichigo is the same race as soul king and soul king at his max was a different beast, even having a part of him made characters op asf, he literally nerfed himself. Even soul king absorbed yhwach wasn't as powerful as prime soul king. Ichigo at his max should be the same level
Madara didn’t point the light fang directly at Naruto so Naruto only dodged madara swinging his neck
Actually a love both characters. I agree with your review. In my opinion Ichigo is superior. However I don't think you should apologies to anyone. That's your point of view. And and most of us know (I hope) pestering someone else's opinion will not change or make anything better. So please community. Take that into account when commenting. Nice video by the way. Very detailed, you won another subscriber😁 Keep up the good work! 💪
Waiting for Hell Arc to be released which ive heard will be even more broken than TYBW
Ichigo to me is stronger not just cause of hax but because from what I know Naruto is not dealing with ichigos level on most fronts beyond fights
kagya.momoshiki? lol the dude who made video is dumb. ichigo dosnt even move speed of light naruto moves faster than speed of light
0:42, Naruto should already be able to see Ichigo or at the very least sense Ichigo. Naruto characters can see the souls, I don’t see why Naruto can’t see Ichigo or any other soul reaper.
Edit: I still need to know Ichigo’s bankai ability.
Are you talking after he unlocked his true shikai
The Bankai idea has been widely discussed, with most people agreeing that it shatters fate
@@KamiR24 should we think its fate manipulation? wish if we got a glimpse of it on anime
@@sajinao1221 considering both the implications from Yhwach himself, I would.
by chakra they already CAN! chakra is a mixture of physical and SPIRITUAL POWER!!!
Toaster how would you scale eida from the Boruto manga?
You're more accurate than Tempest and he's biased. I appreciate your explanations better
lowballed the shit outa ichigo but ichigo still solos the verse
goku still solos the bleach verse even lowballed like I dont get why niggas care that one writer made there charter stronger then the other. I understand debating and scalling but not when people care about the outcome.
@@user-sd2dd7zw8q goku isnt touching ywhach
@@wusofomzora 😂😂 Goku exists beyond bleachverse so you're right. No need to touch, a mere shit stain would be enough to solo.
@@user-sd2dd7zw8q lowball Goku doesn’t beat Yhwach let’s be honest
@Jamal Williams where'd u get goku from??😂
didn't this guy said "Naruto is bare minimum solar system and low ball Planetary" but now all of a sudden u saying he is barely solar system. so, which is it? is Naruto "solar system-uni " when fighting Luffy but "star level-barely solar system" when fighting Ichigo?
I said bare minimum planetary, the rest is how you interpret it
In my opinion I think Naruto is roughly large star level to solar system maybe then again my opinion
@@moonstonelaurenshihle4898 u guys still dnt get it do u? i careless if Naruto is city level. what am mad at is these people are not consistent with their scaling. Just watch his Luffy vs Naruto video and if u truly pay attention u would knw wht i mean. Kuros, Hapi and Noodles sticks with wht they believe in... whether true or false.
That's y i will be doing my own scaling/animation with very soon. I just need people to work with
I never even said he was universal in my video either. I said the scaling is there hence the selective scaling. If you wanna be mad, you’re mad at the wrong person
cool video
I'm narutard myself. But I don't think Naruto is as strong as other narutards claimed him to be. Hes not faster than light whatsoever. At most he's only the speed of a bullet. And no he isn't planetary not solar system. He's only moon level. The ten tails is planetary though.
this is pretty accurate but can someone explain to me why baryon mode naruto gets slapped?
He doesn’t. I think I said it could go either way
@@ToasterXD you said is reiatsu would be able to take out baryon naruto entirely so ye
@@knifemaster6327 What he's saying is that since the gap between star and solar system level is so vast that if Naruto is in-between the two and Ichigo is at the solar system, the difference would be so big, that his reiatsu would severely weaken Naruto, causing him to barely be able to put up a challenge, but Baryon mode would lessen the gap allowing Naruto to use his abilities to slightly even out the fight, but Ichigo would still have the advantage making it a 40/60 in Ichigo's favor.
@@miyahdon7057 i see thanks
Because baryon is weak, baryon is actual trash and the only reason it’s “useful” is for ishiki specifically since it only tacks off a few hours/days, and he can’t use any big jutsu aside from the base rasengan
Love naruto infinitely more as a series and character(still adore bleach) but come on….ichigo is on that dbz level of wtf power levels and hacks dude would wash my boy naruto 😭
Ichigo is not on no dbz level lol
I think goku is stronger than ichigo in base
@@user-sd2dd7zw8q lmao Goku is super multi galactic level if not universal just in base. He’s millions of times stronger than Ichigo in just base.
@@spiritualkiller14 why are you saying this like I dont know.
@@user-sd2dd7zw8q because you said “I think” ain’t no I think nigga, this is pure facts. More like “you know”😂
Thing is the closest one to actually being "universal" was Vasto Lorde Ichigo, one of his weaker forms.
Hell verse is non canon but it's a treat for Vasto Lorde to appear again because he's gone too fast and get its abilities fleshed out. "But Kubo wanted to remove his name in the credits" He wanted to because he felt like he hadn't done enough help to be part of the credits because producer and director did a lot of work.
Anyway Hell Verse Vasto Lorde Ichigo was said to have enough power to destroy the gates of hell (which he did) and collapse the realms. He probably could've reached soul society if Renji didn't cut his horn
"RENJI, ICHIGO!"
The fact that people are still doubting uni bleach even after squad 0 feat is laughable ( if people actually know how big the bleach cosmology is) she by powering up did that and ichigo is a passed sk candidate and scales way above squad 0.
I mostly agree for the most but I think both are more on part with planetary than universal. They needed an item to displace ywach. While kaguya was more weaken her enough to seal her and took three people
Even a kid can guess ichigo shits on Naruto Verse
Dude is built different
Even a kid could guess that shinra whilst lowballed with his eyes closed whilst taking a shit can beat the entire bleach verse. Why are you trying to rub something in this isnt your wrighting.
bro lowballed ichigo and he still stomps
Bleach was always slept on when talking about insanely OP power systems. Kubo started talking about 4th and 5th dimensional beings and it was over for most other power systems.
Nice video but why do you make people send you money for a video request?? 🤔
Y does this guy downplay bleach so much? Kinda weird low key. U literally have to ignore the cfyow light novels where its stated gremmy MADE a galaxy room and did not just open a portal ??🤡? U also have to ignore the cfyow novels referring to the bleach worlds as a “universe”multiple times. And u also have to ignore bleach movie 1 where kubo release statements basically telling fans its cannon and That movie is based around the infinite valley of screams which characters scale to and are able to effect. 🙋♂️theres a lot of author approved feats and statements you HAVE to ignore to get these ridiculous low balls 😂🤡🤡
Yeah like this shi confused me like crazy on why he ignored that.
Fac bro Ichigo slams Naruto
The difference between ichigo and naruto is like the difference between between Minato and the death reaper in the death repear jutsu.