by the time I'm able to afford this they may be pushing 16k or something, maybe then I can get either one of those for cheap xD (the price isn't actually *that* bad considering all it comes with when comparing to cameras like the FX6 and REDs, but I'm not near that price bracket yet either 😄
Your review really showed the benefits of 8k. The smoother, almost silky skin tones alone make 8k my choice. The detail in the shadows (that breakup sh!t is a pet peeve) make it a lock. Great review! Now that price tag...hmmm...it absolutely worth it I believe. Too bad I left that 12k in my other pants.
It seems to me that DJI are steadily entering and mostly dominating all the niche/specialist aspects of the camera market. Gimbals, drones, micro gimbal/camera, image transmission/monitoring, action cams, and now here a full-size gimbal/cine cam. When/if they decide to finally enter the "regular" camera companies' territory, those companies will really have a fight on their hands. I bet the marketing/planning departments at Canon/Nikon/Pana/Red/BMD etc all keep just as close an eye on DJI as they do each other.
Yeh other brands are now starting to imitate what DJI have created… the charging cases of the wireless microphones etc very good job DJI. It makes everyone step up the game which is exciting for us
Ronin 4D is so impressive to me this year! First it released Ronin 4D Flex, then it released an electric zoom lens, and then it joined the L-mount alliance. Then ProRes RAW also returned, and now the ACES workflow has been opened up.Good job, DJI ! You are always on the move and always innovating!
I've been writing about the potential for modular cameras for a couple of years, it really is the way more of them should be going. Not just because we all have our own specific needs, but also because it could cut down on e-waste and make camera production more sustainable generally.
I love the 4d as a camera system, it's a great way to work especially if you're on a mid sized/budget crew, but I feel like the main sticky point with the DJI ecosystem right now is the lack of scalability across their product line at the moment. I think with the new osmo they're starting to fill in some of those other weight classes like they did with drones, but it'll still be a few years before they're totally there. The DJI prosumer level DSLR parallel camera will be the dropped gauntlet that makes other cam manufacturers stand up and take notice, whenever it comes.
Man... so many reasons to love this camera coming from a Lumix shooter. Everything I think i've ever wanted in a camera system and considering the price point, it's actually reasonable!
As a technology aficionado, I can confidently say that Ronin 4D sets a new standard for excellence. It's a masterpiece of engineering, and every aspect of its design reflects precision and innovation.
SAM!!!! how cool was that!!!!….to see your face on the official DJI thumbnail testing their latest cam. CONGRATS MAN! I been following you for a long time. SOOOOOO frigin cool to see you make that HUGE jump. You deserve it. I’m not far behind you man. Let’s go 2024!
I love it... I have heard some issues on software, not sure if they fixed that yet, but too not have to balance the gimble on EVERY DAMN CHNAGE OF ANYTHING is soooo nice... Internal NDs, quickly attach a new lens, quickly switch from the 4 axis to some other gear.... As long as it has the proper ports, I would use this as my everyday talking head / streaming rig along with more creative stuff. Love the look.
Personally the thing that made my month is definitely the ACES support. It was always tricky getting DJI into those ACES workflows especially with a ton of cameras.
During the production of The Creator, the FX3 was often mounted on a DJI gimbal on a shoulder rig. It sounds counterintuitive, but the stability and ease of carry makes sense when you think about it.
I like where DJI is going with this. I'll buy one when I get to choose / swap: 1. The sensor 2. The processor 3. The codecs We'll be there in a few years.
S5II(x) measures 13.0 stops of DR when shooting external 6K BRAW with highlight recovery having around 20ms of RS. Ronin 4D 8K measures 13.1 stops of DR when shooting oversampled 4K Prores RAW with dynamic range expansion having around 25ms of RS. Both are pretty much on the same level in that regard.
Nice but the big turn off for me is having invested in expensive RF lenses then not being able to use them and having to buy new 'light' lenses. Realistically, if you're not seriously doing a lot of 'movement' shots, this is overkill. Lovely cam to have though.
Genius, for sure. But only 3 codecs (ProRes Raw, ProRes HQ, H264)? As a DaVinci user I have to do one extra step for importing ProRes Raw (DaVinci can`t do this so far). A pro cam needs pro audio ins, right?
Hello Sam, I also bought the same L-mount adapter ring for Ronin 4D. But I found that if you install a 35mm f/1.8 lumix lens or a 24mm f/1.8 lumix lens, you can see more obvious barrel distortion on the Ronin 4D. I don't know if this is normal? And I also searched all the videos about L-mount adapter rings, but none of them seemed to mention this issue. I'm not sure if I'm the only one having this problem. Thank you so much！
Not sure.if you mentioned the recording formats but this might be one of the reasons it will NOT be used in big productions. Is biggest format is ProRes Raw which doesn't offer all the flexibility of RAW formats like BRAW or Red RAW.
Great concept! The posibility of changing just a part of the camera sounds really good. BUT. It's heavy! Play with it before and practice first. And you would like to check the list of the COMPATIBLE MEDIA, because most of the resolutions and codec combinations ARE NOT WORKING with an external SSD like Samsung T5 or T7 so you will be limited to their own Pro SSD
Love your review/opinion on this... Exactly my thoughts. I have a question for you! Have you tried to film in 4k h.264 with this? I am wondering if my M1 Mac Book could handle the footage in Final Cut Pro, because I will not be using RAW for most of my client projects.
@@SamHolland Thank you very much! So even without proxies it kind of works for you? I can play back h.264 from my sony A7III and h.265 from my DJI Mavic Pro 2 without problems. I just thought, maybe the higher dynamic range will make it stutter or something. Appreciate your quick reply!
How are you all working 8K into your workflow? What cards are you using for the 8K content? I am worried to move up from 4K because of all those overpriced necessities at the moment. My laptop is 2021 4TB 64GB M1 Max.
I hate when pseudo filmmakers use the word "cinematic". It's just a buzzword to sell something. This camera is no more cinematic that the canon, Blackmagic or any other cameras. It's all about skill and technical knowledge. Of course there is a threshold that when you cross you image looks good "professional" but an old camera like the 5d mark iii with magic lantern can achieve a similar or even a better looking image if you know what you're doing.
maybe one day 😮 man this camera system is something else. I hope other manufacturers eventually jump on board or something, especially from Lumix lol I know they teamed up too but the smoothness of the gimbal, so ideal for a one-man-band type of videographer especially. Why can't they just release an actual 4-axis gimbal like their 3-axis RS3 etc.?? Someone release that at an affordable pricepoint please lol
This is wrong question to ask and I hate when content creators use this words “who is this camera for?” This camera is versatile you can shoot a movie, music video, documentary and so on. For example who was thought Sony Fx3 can do job like big budget movie and who was was thought portable camera Sony Fx3 cannot do the job . Have you watch the movie “The Creator” is shot in Sony Fx3 and I think Ronin 4D have lots more features than Fx3, I think this camera is for everyone. (why we always want big bulk heavy weight camera like Red and ARRI to job done? Why not reduce on production cost on camera gear and team.)
Gimbals are awkward and dorky looking, hard to swap between steadicam and stix. But this chicken machine comes with so many configurarions I think I could buy the whole system to serve all my solo shooter needs and still have money left over for glass. I LOVE Sony F9,A7s3 and Blackmagic 6k. However, after I'm done building it out, Im broke and its still a clunky ass frankensystem. This DJI Chinesium is really making me consider switching. As far as 'cinematic' images go, I could shoot on anything and maeke it look good, cuz of lighting, which isnt sold with this camera system😂 Pretty impressive.
Every time dji upgrade camera sensor, they upgrade their camera body too. not just in osmo series camera, they do that to drones too since phentom4. thats how tech company makes money. they best they can do for us is to save the lens mount and battery type for their next generation camera.
8k video is very old now . Nikon come out with 8k video two years ago . So many camera companies are in the world but it's not that to catch Nikon or canon
I disagree. What would have been their "standout feature?" Do you think we'd be talking about them right now, if they were just the "regular" type of camera?
#1 feature? Been harping on this for years. Voice-activated menu controls. Menus are so deep and so dense and can be so interuptive (yes, yes, even with custom buttons and all that) and all I want to do is say "Sony, turn off eye detection" or "Sony, switch to 60fps" etc. For goodness sake our cameras can HEAR us already! I can already say, "Alexa, straighten the rug in the living room." Okay, I made that bit up, but you know what I mean...
But before we get too excited, this is not a general purpose camera out of the box-especially for commercial work. Without the expansion plate (Adorama has it on back order till February), there’s no balanced audio inputs or dedicated timecode connection, nor does it have an SDI output for connecting a third party, low latency transmitter. It’s an interesting concept camera with an excellent sensor, but if you need to operate outside DJI’s walled garden, this would be a limited purpose C-cam, not something to build a filming business around.
My opinion is that gimbals are dying; AI is going to render them pretty much irrelevant within a couple of years, so I'm not sure about the value proposition for such things long term.
I don't necessarily disagree but there will always be a place for mechanical non software stabilization. But it is amazing where camera technology is headed.
@Aceofthedynasty in multiple years I honestly wouldn't be surprised if AI could undo motion blur issues and make digital stabilization as effective as mechanical. With information on the cameras exact readout speed, lens perspective, and the reference of the subject being in perfect focus on some frames makes me think it's inevitable.
Unless we get a 360 cinema camera that can shoot in low light at high frame rates and high shutter speeds while keeping a clear image cropped in at the same time manage to have bokeh, with really good post processed motion blur that doesn't take too long. We are far from having AI take over the physical advantages of gimbals that even the best 360 cameras now can't beat.
What do you think to the modular design and which would you go for, 6k or 8k? 🎥
by the time I'm able to afford this they may be pushing 16k or something, maybe then I can get either one of those for cheap xD (the price isn't actually *that* bad considering all it comes with when comparing to cameras like the FX6 and REDs, but I'm not near that price bracket yet either 😄
Your review really showed the benefits of 8k. The smoother, almost silky skin tones alone make 8k my choice. The detail in the shadows (that breakup sh!t is a pet peeve) make it a lock. Great review! Now that price tag...hmmm...it absolutely worth it I believe. Too bad I left that 12k in my other pants.
The Nikon z8 with about same capabilities cost 1/3 of this. You would have to buy a RS3 for a thousand more, but just for the comparison.
nah im going to save my money up for the new z cam
@@MowMajors No as someone who has a z9.
It seems to me that DJI are steadily entering and mostly dominating all the niche/specialist aspects of the camera market. Gimbals, drones, micro gimbal/camera, image transmission/monitoring, action cams, and now here a full-size gimbal/cine cam. When/if they decide to finally enter the "regular" camera companies' territory, those companies will really have a fight on their hands. I bet the marketing/planning departments at Canon/Nikon/Pana/Red/BMD etc all keep just as close an eye on DJI as they do each other.
Yeh other brands are now starting to imitate what DJI have created… the charging cases of the wireless microphones etc very good job DJI. It makes everyone step up the game which is exciting for us
@@SamHolland They just need ban china company just like Huawei.
DJI already owns Hasselblad
Ronin 4D is so impressive to me this year! First it released Ronin 4D Flex, then it released an electric zoom lens, and then it joined the L-mount alliance. Then ProRes RAW also returned, and now the ACES workflow has been opened up.Good job, DJI ! You are always on the move and always innovating!
🤩🤩🎉🎉🎥🙏🏻
I've been writing about the potential for modular cameras for a couple of years, it really is the way more of them should be going. Not just because we all have our own specific needs, but also because it could cut down on e-waste and make camera production more sustainable generally.
Jonny boy!!! Yeh I’m glad someone else thinks the same. Happy Christmas bro 🎄 thanks for watching 🙏🏻🎥
Nice to see it is an upgrade from the 4k, keeping most the bits. Thanks.
Thank you 🙏🏻🎥
I love the 4d as a camera system, it's a great way to work especially if you're on a mid sized/budget crew, but I feel like the main sticky point with the DJI ecosystem right now is the lack of scalability across their product line at the moment. I think with the new osmo they're starting to fill in some of those other weight classes like they did with drones, but it'll still be a few years before they're totally there. The DJI prosumer level DSLR parallel camera will be the dropped gauntlet that makes other cam manufacturers stand up and take notice, whenever it comes.
Man... so many reasons to love this camera coming from a Lumix shooter. Everything I think i've ever wanted in a camera system and considering the price point, it's actually reasonable!
As a technology aficionado, I can confidently say that Ronin 4D sets a new standard for excellence. It's a masterpiece of engineering, and every aspect of its design reflects precision and innovation.
They are doing exceptional work
You know darn well I can't afford any more gear!
Haha #sorrynotsorry 😋🎥
SAM!!!! how cool was that!!!!….to see your face on the official DJI thumbnail testing their latest cam. CONGRATS MAN! I been following you for a long time. SOOOOOO frigin cool to see you make that HUGE jump. You deserve it.
I’m not far behind you man. Let’s go 2024!
very informative 8K certainly is on the rise, some great informative features great video Thanks Sam.
Thanks John. Great camera 🤩🎥
I love it... I have heard some issues on software, not sure if they fixed that yet, but too not have to balance the gimble on EVERY DAMN CHNAGE OF ANYTHING is soooo nice... Internal NDs, quickly attach a new lens, quickly switch from the 4 axis to some other gear.... As long as it has the proper ports, I would use this as my everyday talking head / streaming rig along with more creative stuff. Love the look.
Personally the thing that made my month is definitely the ACES support. It was always tricky getting DJI into those ACES workflows especially with a ton of cameras.
100% build in ND's really should be a given for any video centric camera
Thanks for the great review of the Ronin 4D 8K. Love your channel
Thank you so much! 🤩🙏🏻 pleased you like the channel 🎥
Great video Sam, what an absolute beast that system is.
Thank you. Yeah it’s a nice camera. The image has something special about it
During the production of The Creator, the FX3 was often mounted on a DJI gimbal on a shoulder rig. It sounds counterintuitive, but the stability and ease of carry makes sense when you think about it.
I like where DJI is going with this. I'll buy one when I get to choose / swap:
1. The sensor
2. The processor
3. The codecs
We'll be there in a few years.
S5II(x) measures 13.0 stops of DR when shooting external 6K BRAW with highlight recovery having around 20ms of RS.
Ronin 4D 8K measures 13.1 stops of DR when shooting oversampled 4K Prores RAW with dynamic range expansion having around 25ms of RS.
Both are pretty much on the same level in that regard.
Looks great on my phone
Nice but the big turn off for me is having invested in expensive RF lenses then not being able to use them and having to buy new 'light' lenses. Realistically, if you're not seriously doing a lot of 'movement' shots, this is overkill. Lovely cam to have though.
thanks again sam holland ! from france
Thank YOU 🙏🏻🇫🇷
I think you need to get some Leica rs. I believe the Dji will show a clearer difference from the lumix
Genius, for sure. But only 3 codecs (ProRes Raw, ProRes HQ, H264)? As a DaVinci user I have to do one extra step for importing ProRes Raw (DaVinci can`t do this so far). A pro cam needs pro audio ins, right?
Hello Sam, I also bought the same L-mount adapter ring for Ronin 4D. But I found that if you install a 35mm f/1.8 lumix lens or a 24mm f/1.8 lumix lens, you can see more obvious barrel distortion on the Ronin 4D. I don't know if this is normal? And I also searched all the videos about L-mount adapter rings, but none of them seemed to mention this issue. I'm not sure if I'm the only one having this problem. Thank you so much！
Not sure.if you mentioned the recording formats but this might be one of the reasons it will NOT be used in big productions. Is biggest format is ProRes Raw which doesn't offer all the flexibility of RAW formats like BRAW or Red RAW.
The modular design is definitely something to think about. Cause you could just upgrade parts of the kit at a time
Thanks for the video...
However 🤨 how you rate this versus red vv raptor 8k setup.?
Great concept! The posibility of changing just a part of the camera sounds really good. BUT. It's heavy! Play with it before and practice first. And you would like to check the list of the COMPATIBLE MEDIA, because most of the resolutions and codec combinations ARE NOT WORKING with an external SSD like Samsung T5 or T7 so you will be limited to their own Pro SSD
DJI - now improve the AF and the flimsy LIDAR unit mount
Love your review/opinion on this... Exactly my thoughts.
I have a question for you! Have you tried to film in 4k h.264 with this? I am wondering if my M1 Mac Book could handle the footage in Final Cut Pro, because I will not be using RAW for most of my client projects.
Hi. Thank you 🙏🏻 yes I have actually. The files are fine in 4K to edit with. I always use proxies anyway so the 8k was good too
@@SamHolland Thank you very much! So even without proxies it kind of works for you? I can play back h.264 from my sony A7III and h.265 from my DJI Mavic Pro 2 without problems. I just thought, maybe the higher dynamic range will make it stutter or something.
Appreciate your quick reply!
DJI is taking over the camera world.
is it global shutter as well?
image looks great, but looks heavy as all get out to hold. No XLR inputs? No SDI out? Not a broadcast television ready camera.
How are you all working 8K into your workflow? What cards are you using for the 8K content? I am worried to move up from 4K because of all those overpriced necessities at the moment. My laptop is 2021 4TB 64GB M1 Max.
I hate when pseudo filmmakers use the word "cinematic". It's just a buzzword to sell something. This camera is no more cinematic that the canon, Blackmagic or any other cameras. It's all about skill and technical knowledge. Of course there is a threshold that when you cross you image looks good "professional" but an old camera like the 5d mark iii with magic lantern can achieve a similar or even a better looking image if you know what you're doing.
@@user-qr1sk3wg3h that's another thing that annoys me
but the dynamic range also matters
@@HeeGeonKang it actually doesn't as much as you think. You can do a lot with 10 or 11 stops with SNR or 2. You don't really need more
“Game changing”
maybe one day 😮 man this camera system is something else. I hope other manufacturers eventually jump on board or something, especially from Lumix lol I know they teamed up too but the smoothness of the gimbal, so ideal for a one-man-band type of videographer especially.
Why can't they just release an actual 4-axis gimbal like their 3-axis RS3 etc.?? Someone release that at an affordable pricepoint please lol
I used a 4D for the first time a few weeks ago, and I hated the form factor.
This is wrong question to ask and I hate when content creators use this words “who is this camera for?”
This camera is versatile you can shoot a movie, music video, documentary and so on. For example who was thought Sony Fx3 can do job like big budget movie and who was was thought portable camera Sony Fx3 cannot do the job . Have you watch the movie “The Creator” is shot in Sony Fx3 and I think Ronin 4D have lots more features than Fx3, I think this camera is for everyone.
(why we always want big bulk heavy weight camera like Red and ARRI to job done? Why not reduce on production cost on camera gear and team.)
Do you know what the price is, Sam? Looked for a link in the description but not there...
Hi. I usually leave the prices out because of regions and sales etc
click.dji.com/AHUzbKH9JokuIF6zcYFPwQ?pm=link
watching that £10k+ bad boi sitting on the edge of your desk, centimetres away from your gesticulating arms... absolute nail-biter of a video 😁
😂 no expensive cameras were harmed during the making of this video 🎥
"save updates from the furfure for example changing the sensor itself only......."
DJI : hold my beer
Awesome & Thanks :)
Danny can play guitar! 😍🥰 I'm so shocked! 🤣
Gimbals are awkward and dorky looking, hard to swap between steadicam and stix. But this chicken machine comes with so many configurarions I think I could buy the whole system to serve all my solo shooter needs and still have money left over for glass. I LOVE Sony F9,A7s3 and Blackmagic 6k. However, after I'm done building it out, Im broke and its still a clunky ass frankensystem. This DJI Chinesium is really making me consider switching. As far as 'cinematic' images go, I could shoot on anything and maeke it look good, cuz of lighting, which isnt sold with this camera system😂 Pretty impressive.
I still think 8K is over rated, but this camera would be at the top of my wish list if I could afford it.
Every time dji upgrade camera sensor, they upgrade their camera body too. not just in osmo series camera, they do that to drones too since phentom4. thats how tech company makes money. they best they can do for us is to save the lens mount and battery type for their next generation camera.
the normal one hasn't really been adopted by very many yet, wish it would
Nice
I have the 6k dji 4d. Can I change the camera head from 6k to 8k?
Hi. Yes you can
8k video is very old now . Nikon come out with 8k video two years ago . So many camera companies are in the world but it's not that to catch Nikon or canon
Great
Love DJI, their design is sick. Wish they made this camera without the chicken neck tho.
SAME! A box camera with interchangeable lens mounts would be spot on 👏🏻🎥
I disagree.
What would have been their "standout feature?" Do you think we'd be talking about them right now, if they were just the "regular" type of camera?
Could change? Oh it’s Been changed! 😁
The moire was the reason I had to ditch the s5iix
That is the one thing that's holding me back from picking up the s5iix - the moire!
What did you get instead?
@@jeffb8824 kept my a7siii - trying to hold out for an a7siv or similar because I need video but can take good pics.
I'm ok with saving my money I don't need any more gears instead I need to create more
Not for $12,000 esp when the next gen from canon and sony are coming out.
Am I the only one who saw more redness on 8k?
Gary barlow?
Haha me??? 😂👏🏻 I wish!
They used this camera to shoot civil war
My anxiety for that macbook pro hanging in the balance 😧
😂 no Apple products were harmed during the making of this video
the rolling shutter is the worst I ve seen
Sony bringing out cameras ever 10 seconds…yep pretty much 😅
Keep it up DJI
😂👏🏻🎥
Just can't afford one!
Sam I’m a massive fan but this piece just didn’t gel.
Hi Jeff. I’m sorry for that. Can you explain? 🙏🏻🎥
#1 feature? Been harping on this for years. Voice-activated menu controls. Menus are so deep and so dense and can be so interuptive (yes, yes, even with custom buttons and all that) and all I want to do is say "Sony, turn off eye detection" or "Sony, switch to 60fps" etc. For goodness sake our cameras can HEAR us already! I can already say, "Alexa, straighten the rug in the living room." Okay, I made that bit up, but you know what I mean...
I’ve never even thought about this until now but wow you’re right, that would be an absolute game changer especially for run and gun
@@zackmalone "sony turn off...." camera off!😂
GoPro start recording 😫😫
But before we get too excited, this is not a general purpose camera out of the box-especially for commercial work. Without the expansion plate (Adorama has it on back order till February), there’s no balanced audio inputs or dedicated timecode connection, nor does it have an SDI output for connecting a third party, low latency transmitter. It’s an interesting concept camera with an excellent sensor, but if you need to operate outside DJI’s walled garden, this would be a limited purpose C-cam, not something to build a filming business around.
My opinion is that gimbals are dying; AI is going to render them pretty much irrelevant within a couple of years, so I'm not sure about the value proposition for such things long term.
I don't necessarily disagree but there will always be a place for mechanical non software stabilization. But it is amazing where camera technology is headed.
@@Aceofthedynasty perhaps, but likely only in the film world, not for casuals and TH-camrs
@Aceofthedynasty in multiple years I honestly wouldn't be surprised if AI could undo motion blur issues and make digital stabilization as effective as mechanical. With information on the cameras exact readout speed, lens perspective, and the reference of the subject being in perfect focus on some frames makes me think it's inevitable.
Unless we get a 360 cinema camera that can shoot in low light at high frame rates and high shutter speeds while keeping a clear image cropped in at the same time manage to have bokeh, with really good post processed motion blur that doesn't take too long. We are far from having AI take over the physical advantages of gimbals that even the best 360 cameras now can't beat.
Well, the AIs in both GoPro and DJI action has achieved the best they can do far, but the mechanical gimble on DJI pocket still outperform them.