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the mara design is actually brilliant because it is based around the 3 things the demon tried to tempt the buddha with. lust (no explanation required), power (riding on a war chariot) and wealth (chariot is made of gold).
Well, it's also because Mara sounds similar to an archaic Japanese word for erection... or something. There's some kind of word or sound pun related to it
@@moonpoff6456 It's a buddhist word for it.
The Demi-Fiend is the beauty of simplicity, whereas the Nahobino design is the beauty of aesthetics. Both competently communicate power in different ways.
Demi-Fiend communicates that he’ll grab you by the face and use his demon worms to make you his slave.
Nahobino communicates the power of a submissive and breedable femboy who lives with another man inside him at all times.
I’ll take the shirtless punch boy.
I find Nahobino's design appeals to me. It's either the anime in me (Guilty Gear and JoJo), or I'm just a pretty femboy b*tch.
@@masterxl97 Two men = double the testosterone, that's objectively more masculine :^)
Idk I wouldn't call his design simple but it's certainly a few layers below the nahobino
I just find Demi-fiend extremely lame, the pants are boring, the tattoos too try hard and there's nothing else...
I always believed that the more mechanical look of some of the angelic demons was supposed to be a very unsubtle reference to the nature of law, because it's not just Metatron.
Actually, Belphegor's depiction has always been a goat headed dude sitting on a toilet, that's not exclusive to SMT.
Most of the demons from the Goetia or other demonic codices are depicted the way they have been known to be depicted in those books, yeah.
The funny thing about Demi-fiend in SMTV is that he's WAY EASIER than he is in DDS.
Which tracks narratively: As in one you're basically a demigod and the other you're an avatar of the Gods but not the actual God themselves
i mean he's easier but that's because they made him more fair. there's a LOT of bullshit in the first fight. as long as you fight him as intended and not with the oneshot cheese, he's a great challenge
@@AnarchicArachnid Yeah you have at least a bit more of an even ground to the Demi Fiend.
Nah if you don’t cheese him with a one shot strategy then he’s definitely harder then in dds
Why the hell is he even in V as in apocalypse his adventure literally came to an end when Stephen used all the heroes for the ultimate final battle
SMT has always fascinated me as it introduced me to several different mythologies and religions and made me check them out of curiosity.
While I can understand some like Woolie concluding that your belief system is just a wiki page, to me, learning the cultures and and history behind these beliefs has been a reward in of itself. Imagining a world out there where some of these creatures and demons exist in reality is fascinating to think about. While I may not believe in some of them myself, I can't deny being intruiged when thinking about how some people view their world and how that belief influences the way we view it with the knowledge it provides. Beyond that, simply learning about different cultures is fun.
Woolie has a very 1-0 mind set. Something is ether truth or falls to him. His brain is literally incapable of understanding theological concepts.
Does Woolie know one of the demons you can fuse in V is the Virgin Mary?
Angels in general have a robotic theme for understandable reasons, however in Metatron's case it can also be interpreted as him being an artificial angel, since his lore states that he was originally a flesh and blood human who was made an angel by YHVH. For all we know, the Metatron we see in the game could either be a Ghost in the Shell sort of angelic cyborg or like the runner of an Orbital Frame.
Considering Metatron's position plus how YHVH is usually like in the SMT universes, my take on it is that Metatron is exactly what he wants with Law; a machine that only worships Him, speaks His word, and kills His enemies without question
My mindset is either double down on the apocalyptic world or just stay in Tokyo. I liked the callback to SMT1 and how you experience the world on the verge of its (second) collapse. But going back to Tokyo after experiencing the really cool Netherworld/Da'at is the wrong play.
That being said, this game was cool as hell and a really good step forward for mainline SMT in terms of visuals, world design (Da'at, not Toyko) and gameplay ideas. I think in terms of narrative going forward, they should use 4 or Strange Journey as a baseline.
I did like the subtle foreshadowing of what exactly a Nahobino was at the start. Aogami says your presence revived him, Amanozako mentions she's looking for her soulmate, and Lahmu says he has to find his other half. That, plus the exposition at the start about Life and Knowledge lets you fill in the gaps.
Wait, foreshadowing? I thought this SMT was pretty straight forward when in the beginning it explains the Knowledge vs Life thing and the Paradise Apple Tree stuff. From the start I thought "God is dead then everyone can become real gods now".
@@crybirb I moreso meant in terms of demons having their own human counterpart, or knowledge.
The bit about the penalty for flip flopping was in SMTIVA, where you can lose ALL your items or ALL demons in your stock depending on the opposing route you locked into
Edit: About the bit about demons related to each other talking unprompted also showed up in Raidou 2
What, when? I played it twice and that didnt happen at all, in fact I felt like all but that one final decision existed just for flavor. You are talking about Apocalypse, right?
@@sebastianbarrios7288 Yea I'm talking about Apocalypse. All those choices fed into an invisible tracker. If you acted like an asshole an chose the Bonds ending Dagda deletes your stock, do the opposite and Navarre yeets all your items
@@sonicdude100 oh that makes sense, i went with being nice in the bonds playthrough and being an asshole in the Massacre one.
Credits theme is one of the best songs in the game
The fact that Lucifer pulled up on God and smoked with EASE makes NO sense to me lol
26:00 Speaking of demons that stand out I really wish they would bring back the Terminator demon from smt 2 that thing is sick
Is it the Knight with the machineguns? I busted out laughing first time I saw him. Dark Souls on crack.
@@leithaziz2716 Yea that's the one. It's such a goofy cool design I love it
@@tank7013 It ain't coming back because it's an enemy unit not a recruitable demon.
It literally is jsut a dude with a jetpack and spaz.
bring back Jack Ripper from Jack Bros. never mind, i guess he was in 4 and 4A.
i just assumed they never used him after Jack Bros. MY HUBRIS!
"What kind of narc picks Law?" I did because neutral was being stupid and the Chaos plan of multiple pantheons was a recipe for disaster. The angels may be in denial but at least they're trying to prevent the Netherworld from attacking humanity. Can you imagine a Narcissist like Zeus being content with other pantheons being in control of other places? It would start a giant war of the gods which puts humanity in the middle; right back where you started. This is coming from someone who loved neutral route in SMT IV and True Demon ending in Nocturne.
Can you elaborate how Neutral is necessarily stupid, because while I agree that base neutral is probably the worst neutral in the series so far, I wouldn't vall it stupid per say
In Strange Journey Law is also a good ending
@@dbzguysean Mostly that they hate the angels so vehemently considering in this game in particular Law hasn't done anything to warrant that level of hate. In other games like SMT 1 or 4 I would understand hating Law due to them committing genocide to achieve their ideals. In 5 this just isn't the case. The angels want to protect humanity and know that if they win the war Tokyo will be restored as if it had not disappeared in the first place. Neutral somehow looks at this and thinks "They're just as bad as those damn dirty demons!" I just don't get it within the context of 5 specifically.
My problem with that line of thought is...it did work. Everyone DID work together when YHVH was on the throne, and even after you can help Khonso, recruit Odin, and stop Shiva. Since you become god at the end of the game, able to issue absolute orders, you don't need to brainwash people. Just outlaw war and force the big guys to work together and go from there.
Like the Khonso and Demeter side quests pretty much show that you can work things out and come together through conflict.
@@pkhitch1117 but aren't they all the same angels from those previous games?
Listening to this makes me want a full Strange Journey remake but in full 3D
honestly we just need the DS games ported to newer hardware
@@jetteyes2064
I’d be really content if the 3DS Deep SJ gets ported to PC.
Would’ve made my life easier instead of going through the dumping process.
when Gigaten 2?
“SMT has never had good characters or needs them”
That’s what I always see before I point them to Strange Journey
The majestic haired twink, gotta love it.
yeah SMTV = nocturne's successor in the purest sense
SMTIV and IVA = SMT 1,2 & If...'s successor
Last time I played 4, I did all the side quests as they came, picked all Law so I could do the ng+ quest, then sided with Walter against Tayama and picked all chaos from there. Got neutral.
Not being allowed to go into the last choice full neutral is still dumb tho
Only SMT I picked law initially on was SMTIV actually. I couldn't see (at the time) how neutral could turn it around for the world. Chaos is so poorly represented; It just looks like Walter having a temper tantrum and simping for lucifer cuz she pretty. I was suprised to see the law ending in SMTIV is the only time it wasn't a completely nightmarish outcome with a hope of a (somewhat) normal future.
Also The true ending of SMTV is fully capable on the first playthrough you just need to not make dumb decisions on certain key subquests and save your level up items to make the grind for the superboss not awful.
See it's crazy because I felt like who could pick Law after seeing how fucked the system was. Chaos was at least something new and after Jonathan was ok with how the drugs were made I said nah fuck this.
Walter and Jonathan make a lot more sense if you assume neither of them buy into their chosen alignments, and instead are using them as a means to an end. What Walter wants to create an equal society (law), but he lives within a rigid caste system and believes if he had more power he could destroy the system and be free. Jonathan doesn't actually respect laws or hierarchies (he sidesteps every rule, law, and authority figure he meets), but he's willing to do anything to protect Mikado from becoming like Tokyo, which means siding with law. They ironically would be better fits for the opposites allignment, and if either had known there was a 3rd path they both would have taken it.
I still feel that the neutral ending in that one is a highly irresponsible line of thinking to give to some people, "just kill yourself and everyone else in the world, it's the only way to stop the negative parts of the world"
@@zhitchcresttail3387 Er, that's The White ending, not Neutral. At least the "kill yourself" part.
You gotta recruit Fionn Mac Cumhall, complete the Egyptian gods' side quests, AND defeat Shiva before fighting the other Nahobinos
Luckily, this side quest progress carries over into ng+
After hearing Woolie gripe about being browbeaten into choosing a political alignment in Disco Elysium it doesn't surprise me at all that the first ending he got was Neutral lol
It doesn't help that the game completely fails to hide its bias in favor of vague socialist ideals by talking noticeably less shit about commies than the other alignments.
Harry doesn't count because he's a crackhead extreme version of any political alignment he picks.
I was more poking fun at Woolie for his fence-sitting than criticizing Disco, lol. Biased or not I hope nobody went into that game expecting a "fair" representation of, say, a fascist
@@aristedes9449 lmao seethe harder
@@DemPop gross. grow up.
I so DESPERATELY wanted to see Woolies reaction to Dazai in act 4 lol
SMT4 Apocalypse is pretty good. Great music. Improved gameplay from 4, but the story is much more lighthearted compared to 4. (There's still some crazy dark endings/choices, but overall, much more lighthearted)
You essentially have a pretty damn dark chaos ending and a persona ending in Apocalypse lol
SMTV says, "Pick a side."
I think if I were to tell an SMT fan if they want to play V, expect more Nocturne and less IV.
A Nocturne LP would be very fun to watch Woolie.
What sucks about the Nocturne Remaster is that Atlus got a bit weird and altered tons of dialogue. I get that some bits of text didn't age well, and some stuff was translated poorly originally, but other changes seemed unnecessary.
I've been playing nocturne on switch and it's pretty rad but I have the issue of not having a single clue where I'm running to
Woolie, please stream your Nocturne playthrough!
I don't think demi-fiend is required for True Neutral ending. Shiva seems to be though.
Yeah. All you need to do for the true ending is beating Shiva, and doing the sidequests for Fionn, Khonsu and Amanozaku.
Shiva is so silly. Higher level than the true final boss, has a minimum level requirement to fight but is kind of nuts to actually try at that point
@@ryco9669 Eh. He's beatable at mid 80s (though you'll get 3 levels from beating him as a result on top of 3 gospels).
started my first SMT the other week with Soul Hackers. any others i should play before i get to SMTV?
Boo pat boo
this discussion reminds me of the shaman king reboot.
Question: did he stream it and where do I go to find it?
Neutral is usually boring but they did a cool thing with it in SMTIV by introducing The White.
I love Neutral in 4, it's BLEAK AF. It's my favorite.
Neutral usually gets you the most content though
Usually find the most hopeful endings there too
The only Demi Fiend on hard vid I’ve seen took 40 minutes+ and I don’t have that kind of patience.
The Neutral endings in the more recent SMT games have been more and more nothing as, I think, the development team realizes that humanity is FUCKED and doesn't deserve an ending where they just continue as they are.
Like, the endings in Strange Journey original were "Law and Chaos are stupid, Humanity can change! Go neutral!" But then Redux comes out and the new endings are "Actually Neutral's fucking stupid, either Law or Chaos with a tinge of moderation would probably work and is better than THIS bullshit."
SJ: Humanity will learn from its mistakes and avoid repeating them!
SJ Redux: This is the 7th appearance of the Schwarzwelt and they're still fucking up. Do you still feel human, Space Marine?
While a lot of SMT fans are disapointed with SMTV story, I think V allignment is insanely better than 4
Wish V had 4s characters though
I don’t hate Vs characters how can I when most of them don’t do much or get the chance to do much lol
I still like the main girl who I won’t say for spoilers
The best characters were actually the demons and gods, which makes the true neutral ending even more heartbreaking
I really wish pat or woolie play strange journey
there is no separate animation for accident fusion
As fantastic as this game was to play, I gotta say the story was kinda ass. I didn’t need a Persona-style mega story with social links and a 10-hour climax, but I would have liked to have at least ONE character that I remotely gave a shit about. SMT IV (and Apocalypse) did a great job of taking the typical heavy, apocalyptic SMT story and injecting it with enough interesting characters that I at least cared to see what happened to them.
This game was just a borderline copy-paste Nocturne’s story (especially the endings). And while Nocturne didn’t have the most compelling plot either, it did have this eerie, messed-up setting, and the situation was given a real sense of importance and gravitas that made it feel like you were deciding the end of the world. Here, you keep jumping back to the normal world and it seems like Tokyo is the only place being affected by anything, which makes it really unclear as to how much is at stake. The backstory of where exactly all the factions came from is barely explained, and lots of stuff that was set up as big mysteries at the start get casually revealed at random times with no apparent reason. For example: Why was Aogami’s identity even a secret? It affected literally nothing.
I feel like any criticism of this game’s story just gets responded to with, “Go play Persona then, loser!” but there’s plenty of SMT games that have great plots, and this one just seems really bare-bones and half-assed by comparison.
Tokyo is to Japan what New York is to the America, because those are the only places that matter according to media
We live in a post Persona 5 world, and living in that world has it's consequences.
half of the discourse is people who weren't satisfied with the story complaining about it endlessly because it wasn't as good as their favourite entry. Some people don't like it, some people it clicks with. The only difference is how vocal the former is online.
Characters aside, I think it would have benefitted from more varied areas. Not 'yellow sand with buildings' ' blinding red sand with buildings' 'blue sand with buildings' etc.
At least Nocturne had exploring buildings, an underground mall, etc. There felt like a bit more variety. The two SMTV 'dungeons'? Long hallways with easily avoided enemies, and some super primitive puzzles that only slowed the game down. The last one being especially bad.
Pretty much. They just keep making essays on Reddit and honestly, no one's debating it, but they can't get over it like OP.
The point about Nier really got me. I played through the game once [A] and walked away during the thanks for playing segment where they put up on the screen "HEY DUMBASS THERE'S MORE GAME HERE" and as a result felt a little unsatisfied with how it ended especially after buying it hearing of all the high praise it received.
About a year ago I installed it again and got to A2 segment but by that point I was exhausted of the game as a whole from retreading so much of the same ground over and over. I really hope some day I can sit down and play from start to definitive end but there's just so much and it's very obtuse when you don't know what the game is asking of you
if you got to the A2 segment, you have about an hour or 2 left, more if you do all the sidequests, so once your get ending C or D, you can literally just load up the last part to get the opposite and then the true ending, so if your feeling a little burned out, just beeline the main quest. A similar thing actually happened to me in dragon age inquisitions, where i stopped playing the game, a literal quest before the end, not realizing, tired after doing all the side quests. It taught me something, and that thats sometimes a game doesnt tell you how close you are to beating it, and that sometimes, you should just let the side quests go, and maybe do them in an older save later if your even curious about them.
@@AKPC001 While I kind of hate the story/side quest % complete because it can ruin game endings, it may have been helpful to suggest A, B, C, and D as separate playthroughs. RE does this really well by just showing you here's all the different "stories" you can play but you have to beat A to unlock B's remix scenario.
@@richardjohnson8991 I suppose so, having played the original Nier, i had more of an attachment to the series as well as an idea of how it'd go, i didnt realize that id switch to 9s for part B, so even if it was the whole first story all over again, since it was a different character who played differently, it felt fresh enough, then with Part C/D being completely different, more or less made it feel "new" if that makes any sense. But i think what people want with games changes with age, cause you go from a kid with tons of time but no cash, to an adult with cash to no time, so wanting to know *when* you can complete it tends to take priority to the rest of it, otherwise it sits on your backlog for a year, then when you fire it up, you beat it in an hour, or restart it to refresh yourself and run into the same problem of not finishing and letting it sit.
@@richardjohnson8991 i suppose that was just a long winded way to say, just beat it so you dont have to look at it or think about it anymore. For some reason, half complete games annoy me when i pass them on my list, i dont know about you.
Why did Pat drop SMTV?
ff14
Commitment issues.
FF 14 expansion came out, and is his favorite game. He basically dropped everything for a couple of weeks, and all he was playing FF 14
It's pretty freaking long.
I too got the neutral ending woolie. I had the same reaction.
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The thing I loved the most about SMT V is the true neutral road being Anti-theism. It's simply something SMT weirdly enough rarely talks about, and it's wonderfully done. I loved the dialogue choices too because you can go "yeah team human all the way fuck this demon bullshit" road and it works quite well. The only problem is that the game feels MORE empty than other SMTs, a lot of things really don't happen and the side quests are just pointless most of time, I feel like SMT 4 and 3 had more impact to them.
I really wish the design of the MC changed based on choices
Nahobino is such gender it's insane.
What
big agree
couldn't have said it better myself.
Young man.
My biggest problem with Smtv is every human character is really generic and bland. The blond kid has everything happen to him off screen and we never spend any time so his transistion in the game makes no fucking sense. Thr kid with glasses does absolutely nothing ever so i never cared sbout him and the the prime minister just shows up and gives us no reason to trust him. Then the officer guy just wants to let humans die and only have the strong survive so he wasn't interesting. Only the demons were remotely interesting which sux bc the story clearly tries to make you think the human characters matter but....... they just don't
it takes too many cues from nocturne in that the cast and ideologies are only represented at their most basic level. In fact Nocturne's alignments WERE so basic in the first place is because they don't follow the traditional law/nuetral/chaos formula. If SMTV was nocturne with a better cast it'd be my favorite smt of all time.
The story and characters in 5 just suck. Its so bare bones and flaccid, none of the characters or their alignments are fleshed out and you're not given any reason to feel invested in them. In the end I sided with Nuwa and Yakumo just because they were the only characters in the game with interesting visual designs
I'd have given this a try if it wasn't on the switch but tbh i can't get into SMT games outside of P3-4-5 and devil summoner. The combat system is so repetitive and always pretty much the same over and over, i've tried P1, SMT3 and DDS and i just got bored.