When friends leave the faith.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- Friends are like family. Especially friends that have the same faith as you. So it can be devastating when a friend leaves the faith they once represented. On today’s episode, we will talking about how to deal with it, including how to walk with friends that are “deconstructing”.
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"Your lifestyle should convict people more of sin than your words." Amen
Your lifestyle should draw, not convict, your words should sound welcoming with love while speaking always the truth. Conviction comes from God's Spirit and the word of truth... but your ways and words, the more you draw unto Christ, the more others should see as they draw closer to you. God is the only one who can convict; men can only condemn. Blessings to all... rather believe or none believer. Love you anyway.
Amen 🙏
Convict people more of sin? Your lifestyle, as a Christian? I don’t get it. 🤔
That is powerful
Jackie is right. I grew up in a Christian household. Although I believed God growing up, when I was faced with a major challenge, I walked away from God, thinking I will do things my way. Four years ago, the life I chose overwhelmed me and I felt if I stayed there, I will die. I crued out to God and He saved me. Since then, you can never tell me anything about God not being trustworthy. He is the rock of my life, that decision changed my life completely.
Amen! 🥺
Wow i really connected with this
I can relate
Wow God is so good!!!!
Me too! 5 years in October! Once you really meet God for YOURSELF, No one can tell you otherwise.
“You have a lot of saints who grew up in the church and just believed what was taught without processing!” YES YES YES!!!
“How burdensome it must be for someone to try to live a life that is impossible to live without the Holy Spirit.” That’s a word compassion and very touching.
Indeed!
The WHOLE TRUTH, ok?! 💯
Amen, that touched my spirit!
It’s not that much of a burden.
Couldn't agree more! 💯
I felt it when Preston said to have compassion for people who leave. I had seasons in my life where I was on the brink of leaving because Christianity was painful to me. My legalism meant that even though everyone knew me as a "fruitful" Christian, I was constantly afraid of God's wrath. I also struggled with incredible doubt because I'm naturally cynical. Thinking about it reminds me that it's all by grace man. Only Jesus keeps me standing and leads me to see more sweetness in Him every day.
Amen true
This is me. Pentecostal Pastor's first-born daughter... the fear.. the shame... for so long... I left the faith as a result of the shame I felt simply for deciding to leave for college...spiraled into deep depression for about 5 yrs... until I sought therapy and went back to Church (a different church from where my Dad pastored)... nothing can separate us from His love...period. anyway... I thank you for sharing sis.
You have no idea sis how I relate to what you said concerning the fear of God's wrath. Unlike you though, I struggled with sexual sin and it increased my guilt to a point of despair. Long story short, I was able to (re) discovering God's active goodness towards sinners, addicts, etc. It offers a lot of joy and freedom. Thanks for sharing that!
I left Islam and brought over the legalism with me and it really rocked my faith during the first two years. I've been a Christian for four years now, but not fully until about two years ago. I have still have seasons of doubt and fear of God's wrath but reminding myself of Jesus' love, grace, etc helps so I don't try salvation through works
i fully connect with your message. Amazing how God can lead you through Spirit, even though your mind/soul are being led elsewhere
This was so good and encouraging! My husband walked away from the faith almost 3 years ago after public declaration of his faith in Jesus. Imagine how hard it is to get up Sunday morning and go to church for the past 3 years with your kids and their father doesn’t go. And it is a heart issue…it’s not about the excuses I’ve heard that “the Bible was written by a white man” or “Jesus isn’t real” or “blacks were brainwashed to believe these lies.” The truth is his mom died when he was 5 and if God is so good and who He says He is, why did He let that happen.” It is a heart issue. I will continue to pray that God is able to heal his heart and finish what He started.
GOD IS ABLE AND WILLING sis too HEAL his ❤️
Praying for him!! 🙏🏾 The Lord will bring restoration
wow, praying for you and your family!
I praying that for you. After living glonger I can truly see how people turn away bc life is so difficult and hard for alot of people and life experiences make it extremely harder. I agree with the compassion issue for those who turn away yet there are.some who just wan that they want. We have to b discerning
It’s sad there’s any judgment to fear from the community..
This was encouraging as a person currently experiencing some type of shift in my faith. I'm also unclear why I feel this way, but this message convicted me; pray for me.
Edit: I appreciate you all for covering me in prayer and your encouragement.
Just commenting so you know that you’re being prayed for Kyara. 💛
Sis. God loves you so much that He knew that you’d be in this season and so he had these two speak under His authority just to let you know that. On your WORST DAYS He’s still with you. I’m reminded of the fact that the day that Adam and Eve disobeyed HE STILL SHOWED UP IN THE GARDEN.. ready to communicate just as usual. He knew what happened but He was more concerned for then knowing that even when the Enemy causes the inner me to disobey He NEVER STOPS LOVING US. Even now He just wants to communicate with you. He wants you to know He’s right there with you.
Praying now and trusting that God will give you exactly what you need💕
I will pray for you love. God is with you. Emmanuel is with you.
Will be praying for you Kyara 😁💗🙏!!
My pastor says, “I’ve found God isn’t intimidated by our hard questions.” They encourage the questions because after we have the answers, it stretches us more.
I have walked away not only once but twice not because I wasn’t saved, but because I didn’t truly believe God was my help during those dark times in my life. I wanted vengeance and I took matters in my own hands because the very things I had been praying and believing God for, did not come to pass! I regret leaving Him!! I’m blessed to have been a part of His fold, and like the prodigal son, once I came to the end of myself; I returned home to Daddy!! I’m so thankful and I’m remaining no matter what, who, where, when, why or how!! God loves me!!
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You summed it up, this is how many feels when they leave GOD and it's a trick of the adversary. I understand your sentiments!
Then you didn’t walk away. There are true believers who do depart from the faith because they forsake their salvation.
I am someone who walked away from the faith, and about two years ago slowly started to return. I will say that before I left the church/ faith that I was struggling with a few things mentally in regards to Christianity. But even when I started to pull back from serving or attending services, no one ever asked why or even checked on me. I feel like we have to recognize signs of people pulling away and be there for them before they decide to leave.
This is so true and it takes great love, loving and seeing people with Jesus’s eyes to take note, thank God that you are back my sister know God will use you to reach out to others since you know the signs.
Very very true. What convinced you to come back to the faith? Did you go back to the same church?
@@agneswilliams I was never truly at peace once I left. Everything I did I felt forced and I constantly felt conviction. I slowly started to see my life fall apart. But there were times that I would remember scriptures or a message that was preached and it would convict me even more or remind me of who I really am. I was dealing with some church hurt but the word that was preached at my church overshadowed that. So I returned to my church and the first day I was there I felt at peace. I have since had a conversation with my leaders about why I felt hurt by them and they apologized. I now have a more authentic relationship with God. One that does not involve “religion”, but a personal relationship with him.
I strayed away. Nobody cared. And I didn't hear a peep from any Christian for 10 years. Many churches around. But no Christians. Except those Jehovah Witnesses. You know they'll step to you. The only person that brought me back to Jesus was Jesus.
@@GuidedbyCrows funny thing at my church its the complete opposite .If someone don't see you at church one or two Sundays they are automatically calling/texting to see what's going on with you. Most people find it annoying , but really it's a good thing that they are trying to keep up with people,to try to intercept them in the early stage of people falling away from church. At the end of the day people are different and some wants the church to check on them and others find it annoying. How can we win?
Facts Jackie!!! You really have to wash the dishes before using the dishwasher if the dishes are to be cleaned thoroughly. Dishwashers high key a scam
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LMBOO
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I used mine once in five years and regretted it.
I'm a hand-washer myself all the way 💯😂 no offense to the dishwasher users tho
“If you represent truth, truth is offensive.” 💯
Facts! 💯
That's not necessarily true
Truth hurts.. Facts to support truth really hurt.. Beliefs are easy.. They are comfortable. No facts needed.. Just add a lil fear to the story and you can get ones belief
“Grew up in Christian context”. That’s 🔥. I say that just because there’s close proximity to Truth doesn’t mean there is an embracing of the Truth. There is a difference.
Depends on the context, the devil is in the details
Yesss!!! “May the Holy Spirit empower you to believe that God is everything HE says about himself” that is a word!
Facts! 💯
The way that y’all are willing to have the most transparent conversations on this podcast for the edification of the body of Christ and the glory of God will never cease to impact me. Absolutely beautiful testimony. God’s goodness is so next level
Definitely agree with Jackie on deconstruction. I deconstructed during lockdown and it was a work God was doing… taking me from taught religion to true religion.
I’ve been learning to give God my heart and not my works.
Thank you for this beautifully faithful, transparent and necessary conversation.
Yasssss! I remember the Freedom in giving Him my heart and NOT MY WORKS.. that’s a word
God is not afraid of our questions!!!! This is SOOOOOOO good & I needed it right now!!!!
I left the church community and chose to live in sin for 6 years, behind all my excuses of racism in the Church, church hurt, confusion with multiple denominations and theologies, and difficulty find a wife was a hidden heart that had been deceived that my old lifestyle was better. I wanted to go back into the world and sleep around again. I needed Christians to aggressively pursue me and a deeply appreciated when they did. I ran from conviction as long as I could, until God drug me back home.
My son has walked away from God and I know it’s some disappointment when God did not hear his cry and answer his prayer. It’s so hard to see him pushing back when he used to love sharing his faith with others. 💔 - this tonight was so encouraging. Thank you for encouraging Gods people to realize the pain and suffering they are going through and to love and stay in touch with those that leave when possible.
Hey Diana. How is it that God did not hear his cry or answer his prayer? We have to be reminded that God’s will, will be done. We are to submit unto the Lord even when it doesn’t line up with what and how we imagine things to go. When things doesn’t go our way, it doesn’t mean God doesn’t hear us, or doesn’t love us. I’m not all knowing, all powerful, so God whatever it is that your will is, I will walk with it. Despite my carnal/fleshly desires
@@CraDejaC right
My wording wasn’t correct. I know God heard him
@@dianaflegal4495 can’t help notice how your earnest comment was met with a reminder to correct your language regarding God. That you should have curated your own true experience.. that’s a shame. I’m sorry. That’s how genuine feeling is stifled.
I've also walked away from the faith 2 years ago, the pain that I felt whilst outside God's presence was like no other. Thank God Jesus went after me as that 1 lost sheep
One of the things that I’m realizing is being a “Christian” is one of the hardest things you’ll ever have to do. A lot of people who say they are “Christian” live their lives however they want and put a stamp of religion on it. I’ve met so many people who call themselves “Christian” yet they only do and follow what they are comfortable with. Whatever is not convenient for them-they ignore and refuse to be challenged. No one can tell them that they are doing anything wrong because in their minds, they are in a place of comfort and are doing what works for them. All the while, they walk around calling themselves “Christian’s” when their lifestyles and behaviors don’t measure up to such a title. I have chosen to believe in God-despite my questions, despite the fact that not everything makes sense to me-I still choose to believe. I wanted to be someone who is loving and kind to everyone and who treats people well. That is more important to me than the title of a “Christian”-mostly because I’ve seen so many of these people who are unkind or who will try and drag you down into their sin and yet I’ve met many non believers who are kind, well mannered, good people-and are not religious. So I learned to take things with a grain of salt-reject all forms of religion and focus on being a good person who is good to others and live my truth.
I left the church for 15 years until God arrested me in my bedroom almost 2 years ago to come back to HIM. I’ve felt the freedom now to serve Jesus more than ever before because the church is no longer my priority because I learned it’s His. My priority has changed to serve him and do what he tells me. My obedience to him has freed me to serve any and everything else through the Holy Spirit and not by ambition. Ambition will cause you to be hurt in the church. Turn your ambition into obedience to God and not to please the church. Just obey God. So I’m free to be me because I live for him and him only.
Loading my dishwasher while listening 😂
I really enjoy your discussions, such a blessing 😊
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@@melliemel32 I chuckled when Jackie said it because at that time I was loading the plates 😂
This is true "we want to be independent of everything... all boundaries... all rules... all constraints" this is so true and you are speaking Jackie...also when you said "we want to be free in the way God is"...it is impossible because our bounds will either be of good or evil. This could be a great teaching...Father help us all
God gives us strength to endure, it’s because of him I have endured. I’m a single mother with two beautiful autistic children. My husband passed away years ago. I lost my job over declining the vaccine. I declined due to my pre existing health conditions lupus and heart disease. I’ve been struggling to provide for myself and my children since losing my job from Forsyth hospital. But God has given me strength. Strength to keep obeying and serving even when I feel tired and overwhelmed and like I can’t go on. Every month is a battle to not end up homeless on the streets with my two children. But I have faith God will provide. Even as I’m mocked and harassed by others for my circumstances and choice. I will keep Faith. Please pray for me and my boys. God hears all prayers.
I do empathize with your challenging time and I pray God provides a job that will enable you to sufficiently take care of your kids. I pray God leads you to his perfect will for your life and give you the strengths to overcome your daily life struggles.
So many good points here. I went through deconstruction of My faith when I turned 30 I believe. I totally tore everything I believed and knew down/away. Praise be to God that He built my faith back up and I returned to the faith.
These are the kinds of discussions that should happen amongst fellow followers of CHRIST without condemnation, shame, debating and divisiveness. Honest and open and open to listen to understand and be open to healthy correction. 🙏
That was the best 30 min workout of my life! Biblical and spiritual content brings life
As someone that is not a believer anymore, I appreciate people like Jackie and Preston for their graceful spirit. I do feel like some of it was one-sided, but I can understand why it was because I was once there. Deconstructing is NOT easy when your identity was only found in God. When leaving the faith you have to find who you are as a person aside from belief. While I don’t plan to come back to the faith, I do appreciate people that truly seek to UNDERSTAND why people leave without pressuring us to come back (even though that might be your duty because god said so). Like a good poet once said… there is hope and love on the other side 🥰
Powerful. Find out who you are as a person aside from belief.. Yes indeed. Knowing is more powerful than believing.
@@whatshatnin4572 Absolutely!!!
Can I ask what made you deconstruct?
@@rodb66 whewww a lot of reason. The start was because I slick wanted to do what I wanted to do and not feel bad about it but then I started to question the Bible and some things just don’t add up or make sense. That’s just a quick overview but one day imma post on my channel and make podcast on my I left.
@@marcarjo8 I would love to catch it if you do. I don't think a lot of Christians really understand that some deconversions go a lot deeper than their general assumptions. I wouldn't say that I've deconverted but I have been made spiritual aware. Thanks for your response.
Jackie had me screaming at her at the screen with that last tidbit about God's people turning back to strengthen the Saints when one walks away...I shouted at her like she shot a three at the half court mark! That was a great scripture reference! Very insightful. I really appreciate that God has allowed me to know about her in my lifetime 🙏🏾
I remember one time I was evangelizing with my friends and they had an encounter with a women who identified herself as a lesbian, and I could sence that when she saw us she went into this defensive posture, and I really felt that the importance wasn’t me saying all the things that she had most probably already heard from other believers but just asking how are you doing ? And she just changed, became so friendly. And we just had a good respectfull conversation. This is why living with the spirit is helpfull, because evangelizing shouldn’t be just giving hand outs but also having conversations and showing others that we are also humans just like them and care of how they are doing. And just would like to have a friendly conversation.
I love all of this.
The parable - the soil is SO important and unfortunately when we come into His truth, our soil is not tiled, still has weeds (old seeds/unrighteous fruit) that need to be removed - our soil is not ready to produce righteous fruit. This is why many of the "seeds" fall to the wayside.
Constantly having that fire to seek Him and to not lean on your own understanding is vital.
Love seeing people bond in the comments over their experiences 😭😭 Lovely video! Thanks guys for your honesty.
Please keep me and my broyher lifted in prayer.
Speaking only for myself. I never expected to be where I am currently with my belief. I'm not deconstructing to disprove what I believe, but to unlearn (what i believe to be) bad theology. And I've ran into some kind of identity crisis. My heart is grieved and I'm trying to pinpoint why.
May the God of peace comfort you and the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth 🙏🏽♥️
From watching this video it made me realize.
1) I’ve been evangelizing wrong, though the words were true at that moment they shouldn’t have been said bc people need to see the love of God bc believers and unbelievers know about Gods wrath and misconceptions about His righteousness that doesn’t make sense to us sometimes.
2) w/ the verses Jackie read I see myself in that and I see the demonic attack as well. To anyone reading I say pray for me, in summary, a lot has occurred, I feel like God doesn’t want me to say anything now but I’m starting not to care bc I don’t desire to keeping living like this. I should want to be close to Jesus but I’m like “There’s Jesus” as I keep walking.
I'm sad and happy.
I'm sad that there isn't across the board more nuanced faithful conversation on these topics across all bodies of believers.
I'm happy you all are having this conversation.
God strengthen everyone trying to ride it out for him.
Great Couple! Awesome Discussion… I love how you two make a very complex situation easy to digest. I love while you’re never judgmental but you STAND FIRM IN THE TRUTH. Keep doing the work. Blessings Multiplied!
Something so good, honest, wise, about these videos. Hungry for these conversations.
Yes I agree 👍
I walked away from the building aka “church”, and my relationship with God has deepened and grown so much that I’m grateful for leaving. This makes sense to those who share my walk. I will forever be one who follows The Messiah. Peace and Blessings!
OOOOF this is good. Also, I love the way you speak to each other with grace and respect. Thank you for showing Jesus in your marriage! Bless you guys. 🤍☺️
So true
I love this!!! and I love how you guys have allowed the Holy Spirit to be manifested in your lives. It is so evident that God, and his word comes first. The Perry family, will always be in my prayers. 📖🙏🏽❤️
This is so good and it has helped me take some things to the Lord...I feel I have burned some bridges with those who are self-professed Christians but are not living it. I do believe the Lord told me to share some things with them but I may have gone overboard with some, OR they were just offended OR a little of both... praying for that clarity. Thanks Perry’s! Praying much for your strength and fortitude in the Faith! 🙏🏽🙏🏽✝️
Wow, thank you for this great message. I am living this situation right now and because of the sadness of my heart, the Holy Spirit brought me to this scripture: Lord will fight for you; you must be quiet (Exodus 14:14). We need to pray and trust God for our friends. We are call to hope, not fear! Thank you again so much!
This space is so chill - there is a beautiful spirit/presence about this place! May God bless your ministry! 🙂
that beautiful spirit and presence has a name , and His name is the Holy Spirit 😁😁 . isn’t God beautiful.
It's just a a good camera, a good mic, a good set and people you like 🤷🏾♂️
@@reecesouza8307 yes Reece! It is is beautiful! We praise God, Always! 🤗
This was really good and offered an explanation for an experience I'm currently living out with someone I considered to be my BEST friend. We have not spoken to each other since Feb 2022. I knew she was a luke warm Christian in our youth. We're both in our mid thirties now. However, since she'd become well traveled and seen other parts of the world and their culture, she's found issues with Christianity, the US, the average black person, etc...Now she's all about the metaphysical and "source", and "spirit" (not to be confused with the Holy Spirit). Before our break she started to be real disrespectful toward the faith. However, I'd be lying if I didn't say I miss her. I pray for her, and myself to heal from this new feeling of abandonment. Thank you guys for covering this topic.
Literally one of the BEST discussions I’ve seen from the Perry’s. Thank you for addressing such an important topic that touches us all or will touch us at some point.
Well done, y’all.
“Maybe the device to use is to say ‘How are you today?’ to love on and care for their person!” THIS WAS IT!!!
It’s impossible to be intelligent and spiritually minded at the exact same time. After all, we, Christians, have seen the light and those who believe differently than us ~ haven’t. Our selfish “ego” blindly drives us to passionately persuade others who not believe differently than us to think, reason and believe just as we do. God is Love, not our Ego!
This was a good one. Definitely answered my questions on how to interact with friends and family who walk away from the faith.
I'm midway thru but I'm grateful for this. As a person who has a friend who is a Black Hebrews Israelite and claims that someone like me, with my skin tone, is not a Child of God and basically evil. It hurts. And their presence is very large, all over the world. It makes me question so much. I know I'm a Child of God yet I'm told I'm not... :(
I can’t stand that movement. I have a couple of family members that have fallen prey to it unfortunately. I’m sorry that was said to you, we know that it’s a lie.
Jackie!!!!!!! You hit it exactly on the dot!!!!! 🎯 deconstruction is a real thing. You are so wise love you sm!!! Please talk about this more. I am begging God everyday to remember me and give me grace and he is doing that! And I believe I’m going to come out of it the other end.
“Sometimes we try to convict people who walk away because we know our life ain’t gone do it.” SHEEEESSSSHHHHH
I 100% agree with Jackie, I hand wash dishes 😆 but then again, there is only two of us. But, TRUTH on loving someone who "walked away".....at first I was just like you said, "hurt, sad and all the things," but now it is Prayer, prayer and more prayer. Because my God is big enough to bring home if it's HIS will. Praise God!!!
Preston has an important point. Meeting people where they are is vital for building relationship. It helps them and you.
Great convo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't have a 100% deconstruction but I definitely had questions and stopped going to church for a couple years and looked into other ways to manage my stress while knowing in the back of my mind that God was real, I just didn't believe he was enough. HE CALLED ME BACK THOUGH! He sure did, praise God. You just never know what season someone could be in. Love & Truth.
I love, love, love this conversation for so many reasons. First of all, the parable of the sower is also my favorite. Also, "deconstruction" is a topic close to my heart as I have close friends who are going through this, and I went through it myself. I think it's hard for us to be truly honest with one another about the struggles we face, especially if we are prone to doubt like Thomas. We fear being judged by other "Christians." Jesus had many followers who were unbelievers, and one of them made it to the top 12. Thankfully he chose to believe, but not before he saw the manifestation of Christ through proof of the resurrection. I believe you can have the seed planted and walk away and return--that was my experience. I had been burned out on religion. I thank God for His mercy demonstrated through parents who took me to church where I had the Word planted and hid in my heart while I grew up in Christian schools. Those old church hymns I used to bemoan really hit different now, brought to life through the power of the Holy Spirit. I sing them with so much joy in my heart now. It makes me sad to watch my friends who have walked away from the Lord, but I am encouraged by the fact that He desires for none to perish but for all to come to repentance, and that I can agree with Him on this, especially concerning those close to me. He left the 99 to rescue me and He will do the same for anyone else. I pray for blinded minds to be unveiled and for hearts to be opened to receive understanding, and that we would continue to love like Jesus.
I am forever enjoying 30 minutes with the Perry’s . Always providing enlightenment for growth
“I’m speaking to the people who are around those who are deconstruction. We can’t tell them how to deconstruct.” This was SO GOOD!! “I don’t have control over how they deconstruct!”
Man this was so good. I have had it bookmarked for months. There is so much to meditate on.
This video really brought me to tears because this is such a serious topic that really needs the patience, understanding and love in order to properly reach those who is going through this whether they are the one who left the faith or has a loved one who left the faith. I have had the experience of being both and I believe you two did a great job dissecting this topic. Jesus is the real deal and having walked away from his truth and having a loved one do the same and we both came back, we were shown his love, grace and saving power in a way that I'm not sure we would have experienced had we not left. He brought us back but in a better way then what we knew before. And I love Him forever. Thank you for this conversation. God bless you.
It all comes down to "do I believe what I've heard...?" + "Do I believe what they've been pouring out in their words but not in perfect action?" I didn't grow up in church but I went on and off with family members and different households. Used to be in AWANA as a 5th and 6th grade and everything lol. My famous last words at 18 were "God. I don't know if you're real. So I have to live my life like I don't know you. Like you don't exist. Because I have to see." When I met Him for real at almost 20. I was saved for real, but I a remedial Christian LOL. Deconstruction is oftentimes the best thing for people - Like Jackie said, it can so that those who are searching can be built up on a truly solid foundation. So search on. Search.
"Not oppressive but letting something go for something better." Such a simple truth. Freeing truth.
Excellent discussion! 🔥 If the Holy Spirit leds, I’d like you to discuss church hurt and abuse. I’ve witnessed many saints stray from the faith due to corrupt and ungodly leadership. Corrupt in spirit, character, and integrity. Leaders that don’t love their flock but only use and manipulate them. How can the faithful encourage the faithful in these situations? It’s sad. Ministers and their wives can be so hateful and ugly acting. Using those most broken in the body to do their bidding. Seemingly, the most saved people, the most prayerful, thoughtful, loving, and compassionate people are not in the pulpit and are not leaders in the church. Please provide some insight for the reals ones within the body of Christ. Love you both! ❤️
I’ve been struggling with this. I don’t not believe but I haven’t been living according to the word. Funny too, once everything I was blessed with came true, I believe less? Been thinking a lot about this and am excited to hear this.
Minister Jackie asks Great questions and provokes such good points of discussion. Minister Jackie, if I'm hearing her correctly, is imparting Wisdom that our questions for and/or about GOD, in our humanity, are flawed because we come from legalistic motives because we want justice for something but not when it's against us!
Our motives are fleeting even when we think we are in purity with The Lord because His Salvation puts us in right standing with Him but not purity because we're being transformed by Him.
@WithThePerrys, can you all do an episode called "When Influencers Disappoint"? Essentially, discussing how to apply the grief process when those online, who we have invested in (and have simultaneously invested in us) don't live up to our expectations.
I myself am struggling with my faith.. and this was graceful and helpful.
Look into orthodoxy
Jackie!!!! Exhausted! Best word. That is the most common reason.
Legit listening while washing dishes, right next to my dishwasher. ❤ Thank you for sharing
Once I truly submitted to Christ, I found freedom in dying to myself and allowing God to lead.... It's less burdensome to me ❤
You guys are amazing! We thank God for you. Love from South Africa.
I’m only ten minutes in and I GOTTA say that it’s so beautiful to hear these two discovering each others perspective as they help others discover God through this podcast!
I would say “marriage goals,” or “relationship goals,” but I’m a long way from being partnered with anybody so I’m feelin the “spiritual walk with God goals,” that they givin off. That’s the relationship I’m seeking right now, and these two are changing my life, one conversation, one scripture, one thought at a time.
GOD bless these two.
Luke 13:23
I am so happy to find this post!😲👏🏾👏🏾
It's so refreshing to see difficult topics addressed by believers.
I did mine alone with a lot of Christian counselling books and out of church! I just had to let go of the church for a while and just walk, talk, cry, grieve and scream with the Holy Spirit. Sometimes it felt like God worked and used individuals out there than in the church!
It's so refreshing to hear you talk about these things. Mark DeJesus does a great job too addressing mental health in church. God bless you and keep it up. 👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾
Wow, thank you both for always being so real and raw. I wish my family would listen. You could so speak to them, but they have totally turned from the Lord and don't want to hear anything about Him. I'm hoping and praying for a change of heart in time.
Great conversation and you hit important critical points one should consider when dealing with someone having a challenging walk and/or leaving the faith. We can't respond in disgust to a person the standard "God is in Control...Trust in the Lord...God is working behind the scene". Most Belivers don't have those hard conversations about every day issues in our homes Lord have mercy with family), on the job, or dealing with aspects of our health. Yes we now have small groups but the moment you discuss something the gossip starts. This topic needs a Part 2. Thank you both for the conversation.
Towards the end when they have that banter and push and pull over how to deliver the truth to people so far away from the context. Imagine marrying someone with whom you both deeply care about the faith to go at it over nuances in evangelism rather than fighting over other stereotypical things. Just wow. Thank you for always tackling these hard conversations. Love from Kenya
Had to come watch and listen to this conversation again after listening to a few podcast with Joseph Solomon(whom i love and sad he left the faith).I honestly hope in his new journey he finds himself back to God,Jesus.
While listening to this video when I thought of him.
This is so good and on track with what my Pastor asked: “Are you receiving the word or conceiving the word?”
‘’God is not afraid of your questions”-loved this 🙌. I remind myself and others who raise hard questions that if you have a certain question, the chances are that someone has already asked that question! For almost 2000 years Christians have been thinking about and writing about hard questions in the Middle East, in Europe, and in Africa. There is an incredible wealth of knowledge and reflections that have been worked out through prayer and systems of philosophy and theology across history (Byzantine empire, Roman Empire, Protestant reformation etc…). For anyone who is uneasy of certain bible verses and might be reading this, research and dig deeper (especially study the actual Greek or Hebrew behind the verse. Many problems come about from translation issues actually!).
This pod❤️ so much compassion. So much love. So much authenticity.
I’m so grateful I found it
Even though God is in control He does not Control us, we have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not have the freedom to choose the consequences of our actions. We live in a fallen world and all the horrible things happening everywhere are directly linked to that xxx ❤ thanks guys for always sharing authentically, bless you and your family xxx
Thanks for talking about this! I work with Teen Challenge, there are many young girls I work with who tend to know a lot about God, but don’t know Him. It’s hard to show Godly love and genuine truth and they claim we are oppressive. Truthfully we are not, but maybe by the world’s perspective we are offensive (cause we are a Christ centered program). Prayer is appreciated for us and the people who walk away from God and rebel against Him.
We all are broken! We are a broken people called to love broken people!
Praying for you both to have a fun,love and Holy Spirit filled Marriage.
I accidentally stumbled upon this.... The knowledge you guys have and how you guys explain things... Admirable.
I’ve fallen away from following God before, mostly because of a lack of community of believers surrounding me and doubt stemming from tragedy. But it’s so true that when you’re not a follower, anything about God is SO offensive. I hid pastors from my IG timeline, almost felt compelled to delete my Bible app, delete my worship playlist and read more about my zodiac sign (all coming from the enemy for sure) and I scoffed at anything that was right and true.
I went through this same exact thing. Hearing about god felt so dirty.
I was sent this yesterday I really enjoyed this as I have been struggling with my faith of a very long time and jus going through the motions
as a man who has gone through a lot of trauma and its hard for me as I'm disabled I'm autistic and have Down syndrome an I feel rejected from this world and the church
God would never reject you ever , you’re Gods child and he loves u more than any church could
@@iluvmari238 thank you the sad Reality is we are not valued the sad truth I feel it’s because of fear or worse not even cared
Kris the Lord God created you and you are among us the greatest of His creation. He loves you more than anyone else can. ❤🙏❤
Very kind words sadly I still have to step out of the house where judgement lives but I try
Beyond this amazing video and discussion, I am so appreciative of seeing a healthy conversation being presented - the tones, the word choices, etc… this is good and a great healthy example of how to have a conversation like this
Amen! This definitely blessed me! To have compassion on others bc only by grace, through faith have we been pardoned from our own sins🙌🏾
Insightful and encouraging! Bless you!!!
this was so good !! And a much needed conversation, the church right now is in a weird space and there are many who are falling away. Being able to create/ open the door for convos like this can be a great catalyst to help bring solutions to not all but some of the issues. And creating spaces truly for people just to be heard.
The parable of the seed is rich context for this topic. My thoughts: is lordship being fostered within the church? When growing up in the church there is a blinding “know” that hinders constant seeking of how to align our perspective in submission, how to take thoughts captive and how to wait for God to respond. How many times are we taking scripture interpreting in ego and reposting our opinions before even bringing them before the Lord for correction and clarity. Compassion is key -for ourselves and others. Less talk and more action. Less words more prayers.
If you are looking for any reason not to trust God there are a lot of options for you.. that line hit me because it is so true
When you turn again strengthen your brothers 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽, this episode was such a blessing 🧡. Thank you Perry’s for allowing God to use you.
This is very convicting and sobering to listen to. I am going through this with someone I love who has decided they no longer want to be a Christian and I am TERRIFIED. I want so badly to have a conversation with them. But so far, I've only been led to say ONE thing to them and I said...that's all I'm going to say to you about this until you or the Lord says different. It's more difficult then I could've imagined because I felt so caught off guard...like... If you would've told me 15 years ago that we'd be here, I wouldn't believe you. But the past 6 months - a year have been very sobering and this video has highlighted what has been challenging me about this whole situation. One of the biggest things is that although I am genuinely concerned for their soul, I also feel all of the memories we've had leaving...because they don't even want to think about it I think. So there's an element of selfishness on my part...feeling rejected in a way...where there should be compassion for them and how they feel...how they got here. So I pray...and I feel like the Lord is like...listen girl lol....I need you to not forget that this person belongs to ME, just like you. And I love them MORE than you love them...I still have good things in mind for them I still desire them...I need YOU to be to them what you are...and let me be who I am.
Very impactful episode. Defo needed in this generation
"You will always be bound or constrained by something!"
I admire your boldness to do this. We all know someone who left the faith. Still loving them its hard to watch but I believe no one is too far gone. God is able!
The parables of the seeds! I’ve always remembered this parable growing up my favorite too Jackie
This video was for me!!! Thank you Perry’s for always allow the Holy Spirit to speak through you! This was a blessing! ❤️ I love you guys and May God bless your family
Thank you for this. I think in regards to my children. The sin I tolerate or minimize when I judge the behavior of both. For one I'm quick to give scripture, urge church and confront their sin, but the other I minimize or tip toe around. I justify it by saying one is disrespectful and presents not to care about me while the other is nicer to me, talks to me. 😢I'm hurt today about both. Want to be better.❤
You two have a wonderful balance of spiritual wisdom.
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