What the Surface Laptop SHOULD’VE been - HP Elite Dragonfly G3

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    Alex needed a new laptop for CES, so HP sent over their new HP Elite Dragonfly G3 for him to check out. With a lofty pricetag and middle-of-the-road specs, is this laptop Alex's new daily driver or will this just end up in the pile of laptops at his desk?
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    0:00 Alex needs a new laptop
    0:57 Unboxing
    1:40 Weight, IO, and design
    4:00 Sponsor - iFixit
    4:23 Keyboard/Trackpad impressions
    6:46 Display impressions
    8:30 Battery life
    9:33 Specs
    10:52 Webcam quality impressions
    12:07 Speaker and display comparisons
    14:32 Attempting to play Valheim
    15:21 Teardown
    17:14 Pricing and overall thoughts
    18:06 Outro
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  • @Iri5hman
    @Iri5hman ปีที่แล้ว +2095

    $4,000 is actually comical

    • @MrRinre
      @MrRinre ปีที่แล้ว +114

      Probably be sold permanently at a discounted rate lol

    • @MiniRockerz4ever
      @MiniRockerz4ever ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Our nano tech producing company is huge, yes it's that bad

    • @searic3203
      @searic3203 ปีที่แล้ว +179

      @@ntnwwnet you can get 2 macs for the price of that laptop lol, thats when you know its fucked up

    • @a-alex-p7033
      @a-alex-p7033 ปีที่แล้ว +108

      @@searic3203 exactly! And those macs would outpreform it in any task! 4000 dollars?? That’s actually crazy

    • @GGray.
      @GGray. ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Target audience are corporations/executive. That's why it's priced so steeply

  • @ahadmrauf
    @ahadmrauf ปีที่แล้ว +695

    I love how dBrand basically got a callout to their products even though they're not a sponsor of this episode 😂

    • @defnotatroll
      @defnotatroll ปีที่แล้ว +39

      They're a channel sponsor. They get placement almost every time a new big phone or iPad comes out. it will somehow have a dbrand sticker on it when it's unboxed

    • @ZNotFound
      @ZNotFound ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Usually it's dbrand who sends them the product, not the product manufacturer.

    • @WillUlt1mate11
      @WillUlt1mate11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Secret sponsor!

    • @hamzarock5390
      @hamzarock5390 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Robots 🤖 sure knows how to do bussiness

    • @Glotttis
      @Glotttis ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Meh I just want to see how the actual product looks like without all those repulsive plastic dbrand condoms glued all over it.

  • @who_what
    @who_what ปีที่แล้ว +111

    that price is absolutely absurd.

    • @marcusciantar3407
      @marcusciantar3407 ปีที่แล้ว

      They should've led with that ...

    • @DX88
      @DX88 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Strangely enough this exact version that Alex has is €2200 in the Netherlands (not 3800) and the i5 is €1900. I'm confused!

    • @laa0fa502
      @laa0fa502 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DX88 listed as 1200 dollars on HP's website. I'm very confused

    • @DX88
      @DX88 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@laa0fa502 you must be looking at a different model

  • @pincombe
    @pincombe ปีที่แล้ว +235

    It was all looking so good until he got to the price.

    • @infernus6278
      @infernus6278 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No it wasn't, that hinge is so bad it gave me anxiety. That laptop is borderline useless with that much movement on the screen. Absolute joke

    • @DX88
      @DX88 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Strangely enough this exact version that Alex has is €2200 in the Netherlands (not 3800) and the i5 is €1900. I'm confused!

    • @IsiahHD
      @IsiahHD ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm sitting here wondering how this laptop is remotely comparable to a Surface Laptop that's a third of the price (how the title of this video would indicate).

  • @Neoxon619
    @Neoxon619 ปีที่แล้ว +514

    I’m guessing it served him really well given how much coverage we got from Alex at CES.

  • @legoswmonkey7037
    @legoswmonkey7037 ปีที่แล้ว +608

    Based on all he's said I still would love to see Alex's thoughts on the Framework laptop

    • @cwestwater
      @cwestwater ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Same! Just got mine and I love it!

    • @legoswmonkey7037
      @legoswmonkey7037 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@cwestwater Kept thinking about how mine checks most of the positive points here, minus the battery

    • @cwestwater
      @cwestwater ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@legoswmonkey7037 Exactly! Hoping they can do something about the battery in the future but my use case is mainly in the house, so power always available.

    • @FroxyCz
      @FroxyCz ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yea this is more or less Framework with better battery, better speakers and toutch screen for double the price. To be honest was really happy with my framework purchase when Alex said the price of the HP.

    • @qazhr
      @qazhr ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I bet he has to no I not investor in frames work like my boss

  • @Chriss120
    @Chriss120 ปีที่แล้ว +204

    it is silly how expensive these small laptops are.

    • @GGray.
      @GGray. ปีที่แล้ว +23

      As they should be. It takes a lot more r&d to cram smaller components. Also there's a lot of quality of life improvements that's part of it. And it is a premium laptop targeted at corporate/executives.

    • @anthonyschlessman1848
      @anthonyschlessman1848 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@GGray. most youtube commenters cant understand these things

    • @jesuszayas7
      @jesuszayas7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@GGray. Life improvements? Executives? hahaha

    • @nohs8776
      @nohs8776 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jesuszayas7 less executives, more for corporate, most of these laptops are brought as bulk by discount by big companies because they can afford them, the same type of thinking behind Apple's $1k stand or $250 wheels

    • @jrchannel7405
      @jrchannel7405 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@GGray. nah, it's a marketing strategy. Giving stuff high prices makes it more desirable. Just look at that fruit computer company

  • @cionheart
    @cionheart ปีที่แล้ว +123

    Can we talk about the display wobble for a second? I mean this display is reading his pulse better than my Garmin.

    • @rdvgrd6
      @rdvgrd6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      And it’s 4000$

    • @pgta2004
      @pgta2004 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Was going to say something about that. It's so noticeable, and did you tell me it's $4k? Hell nah.

    • @defnotatroll
      @defnotatroll ปีที่แล้ว

      Ultra lightness always comes some sacrifices

    • @Raja995mh33
      @Raja995mh33 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@defnotatroll the MacBook Air doesn't have this problem at all. And they start at 1/4 the price...

    • @YasinHasan
      @YasinHasan ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Raja995mh33 aaand it comes with crappy macos

  • @LonkiGames
    @LonkiGames ปีที่แล้ว +238

    Would love a video on WHY these business laptops are always so expensive

    • @thyeweiping9094
      @thyeweiping9094 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I want to know too, my HP Probook 440 G7 total price (including warranty) was more expensive than the average laptop I would find in university and yet it only has a 720p screen. Ngl, I think that approximately $1200 for a 720p screen in 2020 is unacceptable but then my uncle bought it from his company and I got it for free anyway so whatever.

    • @Dadodaw
      @Dadodaw ปีที่แล้ว +102

      Oh simple, because people aren't buying them, businesses are, so they charge a premium.

    • @thyeweiping9094
      @thyeweiping9094 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@Dadodaw yeah, same reason why Apple is charging $999 for a monitor stand.

    • @Soap939
      @Soap939 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      A lot of those laptops have integration with custom docks, plus businesses buying in bulk don’t pay as much as an individual buying a business model. Quality control and part support are also much better

    • @jesuszayas7
      @jesuszayas7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      My guess: taxes deductions.

  • @RevokeTheSarcasm
    @RevokeTheSarcasm ปีที่แล้ว +38

    There's so few laptops with windows that can rival macbooks in terms of build quality and design and when you finally find one, it costs some such a ridiculous amount of money that macbooks look like good value...

    • @thebravegallade731
      @thebravegallade731 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well the build quality is exactly why apple devices are expensive in the first place...

    • @theflash9068
      @theflash9068 ปีที่แล้ว

      @thebravegallade731 my zenbook is only 1600 cad and its as good as the macbook. Although the speakers arent loud enough. And the battery is okay... thanks Oled lol

    • @studiodreamken
      @studiodreamken ปีที่แล้ว +1

      MacBooks do seem like better value but I just do not like macos either. I wonder if some day we can run windows smoothly on m1 or m2 machines.

  • @aeriumfour6096
    @aeriumfour6096 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    "turns out Linus is afraid of scorpions"
    That's a pretty reasonable phobia really, they're pretty angry boys.
    Source: used to own one.

  • @I_THE_ME
    @I_THE_ME ปีที่แล้ว +97

    You should review the newest HP Envy x360 since the top i7 16gb model is only $1200 and has a 66 Wh battery and a 2.8k display. That's value right there.

    • @alext3811
      @alext3811 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Don't forget the 2-in-1 touchscreen.

    • @keurfonluu7434
      @keurfonluu7434 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Laptops with an i7-1260P have a really bad battery life. I have a Lenovo Yoga 9i with 75 Wh battery, and the battery life is ridiculous.

    • @ivell5
      @ivell5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@keurfonluu7434 well you can get the i5 version

    • @keurfonluu7434
      @keurfonluu7434 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ivell5 Issue is with the P version of 12th gen processors, i5-1240P also suffers from poor battery life.

    • @ivell5
      @ivell5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@keurfonluu7434 oh good to know!

  • @scorch527
    @scorch527 ปีที่แล้ว +277

    I've utterly refused to buy laptops I need dongles for, and I'm hoping that stupid trend will finally end. Great to see full size HDMI and Type A on this. EDIT: though that price for a 1080p screen is absolutely insane!

    • @I_THE_ME
      @I_THE_ME ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Yeah, that's about double the price than what I expected. I wonder if the Envy series has a model that has most of the features.

    • @faustinpippin9208
      @faustinpippin9208 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      you wont notice higher resolutions on such a small screen anyway...

    • @a-alex-p7033
      @a-alex-p7033 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@I_THE_ME it’s triple the price what I expected!. Almost $3800?? Like that’s crazy. And it’s not even preforming any good. I’d rather get macbook that will outpreform it in any task for $2000 cheaper

    • @J_Echoes
      @J_Echoes ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @I_THE_ME I've got the HP Spectre x360 14, it's pretty similar (13.5 3:2 display, same weight, awesome battery life). Think it's basically the same but with less ports and enterprise features and touchscreen+360° hinge.
      It's the immediately superior tier to the Envys, and it costs less than half the price than the Elitebook, so there's that!

    • @AzVfL
      @AzVfL ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@faustinpippin9208 it's way less than retina, small text will look unsharp

  • @Nathan-oh7sv
    @Nathan-oh7sv ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Doesn't a software controlled privacy shutter on the webcam defeat the purpose of a privacy shutter?

    • @DX88
      @DX88 ปีที่แล้ว

      No because you can actually see if it's active or not. If the shutter is on top of the camera, no software can look trough it.

  • @MijeshDeuja
    @MijeshDeuja ปีที่แล้ว +156

    This made me like my $1000 MacBook Air even more.

    • @Thalestr
      @Thalestr ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Yup. The M1 and M2 Air are basically this laptop but a grand or more cheaper. They also look much nicer.

    • @veilsyndicate3141
      @veilsyndicate3141 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      and there wayyyyy more capable, and if u have to have windows, just use VM even that VM is faster then the Dragonfly

    • @DarkKingTube
      @DarkKingTube ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@veilsyndicate3141 parallels of mac makes windows app run like native. it is vm tho but if you run it in exclusive mode, you wouldn't even notice it's a vm

    • @kamehameha38
      @kamehameha38 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DarkKingTube So I could run Windows on anm1 MacBook air?

    • @littlebigparardise9245
      @littlebigparardise9245 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@veilsyndicate3141 yeah, even with the base config of 8gb, splitting 4gb with windows, it'll prob still run better in games than this overpriced shit

  • @net-42
    @net-42 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    the F2 key is set aside for HP's privacy filter (Sureview panel). I would imagine if you got a model with that on the display the keyboard would have the F2 key labelled as such.

  • @DarkCloud360
    @DarkCloud360 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That display wiggles like crazy

  • @thabitpulak
    @thabitpulak ปีที่แล้ว +79

    One thing I notice is that the screen lid shakes a lot - whereas the MacBooks have always had very solid screen stability

    • @screener0797
      @screener0797 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      BuT iTs NoT mAc Os, mAcOs TrAsH.
      (Obviously joking)

    • @mikemcmike6427
      @mikemcmike6427 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yaaa that was driving me nuts. Even in further away shots you could tell it was shaking like crazy.

    • @xmlthegreat
      @xmlthegreat ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's HP for you, garbage hinges

    • @mplovecraft
      @mplovecraft ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's one of those small things that matters a lot. My old laptop was like that and I made sure my new didn't.

    • @iowawalker
      @iowawalker ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You shaking your laptop often? I certainly do not. I had the flappiest screen of all time on Yoga 730, and it only bothered me like 2 times in the past 5 years. I really don't understand what is your use case if flappy display is something of importance for you. Maybe working on a train or bus, but that's it.

  • @sergarlantyrell7847
    @sergarlantyrell7847 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love that under the glass webcam shutter, it's the slickest solution I've ever seen (that, or physically disconnecting the wires).

  • @fukov3400
    @fukov3400 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Nobody tell Alex spacebar functions as pause/play. It'll be funny.

    • @Daniel6254
      @Daniel6254 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah but not when spotify is running in the background

    • @tjl2836
      @tjl2836 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You can configure the touchpad so a tap with 4 fingers will pause/play and 4 finger slide will change volume

  • @Josh17_94
    @Josh17_94 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That price is utterly insane

  • @WillFuI
    @WillFuI ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I got the hp aero 13 with the r5 and 16gb of ram. I have adjusted to tdp to 8w and man this thing lasts so long

  • @BTAJoe
    @BTAJoe ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I still want to see Anthony do a series of videos on running Linux (Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, Arch) on superior hardware like this. Which machine is the best one to remove windows and install the Penguin?

  • @BNnnen
    @BNnnen ปีที่แล้ว +8

    just use powertoys to remap the f2 key to pause/play

  • @supaschwamal
    @supaschwamal ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I noticed a lot of screen wobble in the video. Is it comaparble to other laptops or is it worse?

    • @mikemcmike6427
      @mikemcmike6427 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m
      Literally shaking the bottom of my MacBook getting less wobble than that

  • @makwikus
    @makwikus ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hi, Alex! I'm guessing LG didn't invite you to their booth to take a look at the new Gram line up?

  • @lisphm
    @lisphm ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm pretty sure you can remove the heat shield over the SSD. I did it on my two HP laptops and it worked fine.

  • @dernichtberliner7977
    @dernichtberliner7977 ปีที่แล้ว

    F2 on HP Eltiobook/Probook is reserved for privacy screen, if you have it. You can also turn of the function that dims your screen when it´s in power saving mode

  • @subhromallick2486
    @subhromallick2486 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Alex, we in India have this laptop from Fujitsu called UH-X. It is apparently superlight at under 900gms for the Intel Core i5 models. If possible, do make a ShortCircuit video about that laptop if you can ever get your hands on one. Apparently an entirely assembled and made in Japan product.

  • @martins4079
    @martins4079 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I wondered what the problem with modern standby is as I always have my surface on battery saving mode ^^

    • @DX88
      @DX88 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They did a whole video about that issue and how to fix it, a month ago, on the LTT channel.

  • @golosbezdoka
    @golosbezdoka ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What I cannot understand is why is it shaking SO MUCH?! every footage of the screen as well a the the webcam are SO shaky!!!
    This one flow is enough to stop considering the laptop for me.

  • @tbrenneke
    @tbrenneke ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great review. Was looking for a Macbook Air equivalent running windows and this is as good as it gets for Windows. Definitely has to operate at 125% resolution to be usable (defaults to 150%), would be great to see the next version with a higher PPI.

  • @davepenno
    @davepenno ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Was going to buy an hp laptop recently but there were no models I liked with a UK keyboard so went for the galaxy book pro 2 in 1 and loving it

    • @davepenno
      @davepenno ปีที่แล้ว

      @Tango_sixteen I needed something fairly quickly and the amoled screen is amazing at 1080 on 13". I got it £400 lower than RRP from a reputable retail company. I'm really happy with it.

  • @nothingnothing2532
    @nothingnothing2532 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    These things are amazing for work, I use an elite book that is slightly larger and I'm trying to upgrade to one of these. A light weight laptop that fits into my purse is vital when I need to hustle across the building to make that last minute meeting. Guys might be able to get away with a hoodie, backpack, and sneakers; I wear a suit, a nice handbag, and heels.

    • @bobbabouie91
      @bobbabouie91 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Or you could just…carry your laptop? I can’t think of any work meeting where I’ve shown up and women had purses at all, let alone ones they were carrying laptops in. They just took carried them to the meeting. The only purpose I could see of needing to carry it in your purse is if you were traveling to meet an external party for a meeting, and in that case 99% of the time it would not be appropriate for a guy to be wearing a hoodie and sneakers. Nice try with the “men bad, woman life harder” schtick though.

    • @xmlthegreat
      @xmlthegreat ปีที่แล้ว

      The matte screen is just terrible. And the price is truly ridiculous.

  • @aniketbilenia8740
    @aniketbilenia8740 ปีที่แล้ว

    You could have used that programmable function key to quickly toggle between battery saver. Within a week it will just be a part of routine to press that key before closing the lid.
    Nice info, now I'll create a similar macro for any modern standby device I use.

  • @alles_klar
    @alles_klar ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a work HP laptop with the same F11 Airplane Mode shortcut and it happens to me ALL THE TIME. Glad to know I'm not alone.

  • @Lonewolf_121
    @Lonewolf_121 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hp are definitely getting it right business wise, company I work for have been changing over from surface laptop 3's to hp (similar to this laptop but a generation older, with I want to say better performance and like... Half the price if you were to buy it outright... ) the screen is worse than the surface but everything else is just better. If you're in the office they have 27" monitors with usbc power delivery and they will supply you with a monitor at home as well so I'm pretty sure most people are hardly using the laptop screen so it works well for us (also I assume it's a cheaper contract, the buy price was like 1-200 less than the updated surface). Though I do miss that alcantara finish.

    • @ACE112ACE112
      @ACE112ACE112 ปีที่แล้ว

      I feel like gaming laptops would have a lot better performance to price ratio

  • @eggzaki
    @eggzaki ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That much screen wobble is unforgivable in any laptop more than $600

  • @ebsolas
    @ebsolas ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Holy resolution batman. That webcam is amazing. Good job HP. Dang

  • @charles20asselin
    @charles20asselin ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really enjoy Alex quick laptop review

  • @zdanee
    @zdanee ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I've got the 2020 Envy X360 with the 4000 series Ryzen, and for the most part I think I have all the benefits you got with this one here, but I also have a pen-enabled touchscreen that has a transflective layer so I can turn off the backlight in direct sunlight and still see everything while using almost no power. Also I think my games run better. Oh, and it was $800 last year on sale.

    • @SStarlight9614
      @SStarlight9614 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wish my elitebook had that feature, it would save me so much battery life when I'm outside sitting on the swing

  • @NathanBudd
    @NathanBudd ปีที่แล้ว +8

    $3789 for a glorified netbook with a 3:2 screen?!
    I'd geniunely love to know why you couldn't use a MacBook Air for CES? If it's simply displaying scripts as you said, it would be fine with that and the battery is phenomenal.
    I use a Mac for work, and Windows at home. Both OS have their pros and cons, but reading from the screen isn't a con from either.

    • @XtrAMassivE
      @XtrAMassivE ปีที่แล้ว

      I think he was clear that he doesn't want a Macbook. Besides he didn't pay for it.

    • @NathanBudd
      @NathanBudd ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@XtrAMassivE I wasn't being argumentative. He said specifically that it was MacOS that he didn't like, and I was just curious as to what was the issue.

  • @maximilianmorse9697
    @maximilianmorse9697 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You can pause/play by tapping with four fingers if your laptop doesn't have a button for it

  • @jarredgallaher2643
    @jarredgallaher2643 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When is the backpack getting updated? the zipper pulls broke off and are sharp still!

  • @Batoutta
    @Batoutta ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wtf is that price tag???

  • @belltalkstrash
    @belltalkstrash ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I would like Alex to make his own dedicated video explaining why "MacOS is garbage" - I feel like being sponsored to showcase a product, and being sent that product for free, should be subject to the same impartial journalism as anything else, and a brash statement like that needs some further explanation.

    • @SpongeAndLeo
      @SpongeAndLeo ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Having watched a decent number of their videos, it mostly boils down to "they don't use macos enough"

    • @RohanaChris
      @RohanaChris ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I agree, I know he doesn’t like macOS but there have never been any details. It seems all his complaints would not be an issue on Mac. I am guessing he just like to hate on Mac without any actual reason.

    • @SpongeAndLeo
      @SpongeAndLeo ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@RohanaChris I'd bet it's the apple hate for their repair stance.

    • @leziox8229
      @leziox8229 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      100% agree. The only statement from him I saw from him so far is you can’t do two externals screens on a MacBook. But if I remember well, on Macaddress that problem was debunked and solved.
      When a 4000$ laptop is the only winner against a 2000$ MacBook. At that price, the MacBook is a no-brainer.
      He needs a 30-day MacBook challenge.

    • @mfe888
      @mfe888 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well what do you expect this channel knows their audience are Apple haters and therefore do everything they can to cater to them. They know that if they tell the truth about MacOS they would alienate the PC gamer audience. So far I have not seen any laptop that even comes close to the balance the Mac lineup provides, meaning not just performance but also efficiency, build quality, etc. They also never mention how windows laptop's performance absolutely tanks when unplugged, while Macbooks do not lose any performance. Well I guess they can enjoy their Windows Modern Standby lol.

  • @RumbleKar
    @RumbleKar ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's the best laptop webcam I've ever seen reviewed on this channel

  • @xscorpionxz
    @xscorpionxz ปีที่แล้ว

    The underscreen camera is really good :O

  • @16jms
    @16jms ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I've literally never, ever in my entire life used a pause/play button on a laptop. Then again, never used airplane mode on a laptop either.

    • @AndrazAntonic
      @AndrazAntonic ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Most audio/video progs use spacebar as a pause/play button

    • @MiniRockerz4ever
      @MiniRockerz4ever ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AndrazAntonic True that

    • @16jms
      @16jms ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AndrazAntonic Exactly.

  • @Puzzlers100
    @Puzzlers100 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have an XPS13 9370 dev, and everytime I hear someone complain about the new XPS I check if it's an issue on my laptop and it seems like it never is (except the USB A thing, But I'm wiling to give them a pass on that). Dell is apperently just regressing with the XPS line.

  • @sydtsai
    @sydtsai ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not sure if HP quality is okay. I used to have two HP in office and they just broken down right after warranty expires

  • @JoseHerradez
    @JoseHerradez ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why would you need a pause/play when you click with three fingers the trackpad and does the same thing?

  • @ericneo2
    @ericneo2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Sees the price...
    Jonothan Jostar: OOH MY GOD.
    IT: That's the budget for 3, close to 4 laptops.

  • @idle404
    @idle404 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I picked up the M1 MacBook Pro 14" brand new for $1,599. Even though I prefer Windows, I can't find any other laptop that is better value than that.

    • @topmech71
      @topmech71 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Exactly...I'm a Windows user too, but it's hard to beat a MacBook. You won't find a better display, probably the best speakers out there, os support on devices for years and better security.

    • @makasete30
      @makasete30 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Preferences aside-MacBooks have some clear strengths with battery life, camera, standby, screen, sound, performance, trackpad, thermals, quiet,and ports are back.
      That notch is an eyesore, though, and has no place on a laptop.

    • @mikemcmike6427
      @mikemcmike6427 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@makasete30 mehhh I don’t notice mine. And there is a free app that gets rid of it. You don’t really lose anything because that area would be taken up by the menu bar. Or by black bars watching a video

    • @summushieremiasclarkson4700
      @summushieremiasclarkson4700 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mikemcmike6427 Yeah, r/apple loves tho throw that out. His point is that it's ugly as shit, and I concur. Big black wart in the middle.

    • @DenOfTimbsllc
      @DenOfTimbsllc ปีที่แล้ว

      Amen, nothing better the the M1 Pro.

  • @trietnguyen8108
    @trietnguyen8108 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The display low response rate… could low battery mode affect it?

  • @andrewd3899
    @andrewd3899 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have a very similar complaint about pause/play even on my thinkpad - my extra programmable key literally does nothing because thats the only reasonable shortcut i want, everything else already has working windows shortcuts

  • @zodywoolsey
    @zodywoolsey ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The most surprising part of this video is learning that people actually use the media keys on windows lol. I actually hate how many laptops don't allow you to set the function keys to default to just being normal function keys, I hate when I go start a debug session or use some shortcut I'm used to and the laptop suddenly starts playing some random media or opens the browser.

    • @tundmatudiivan5916
      @tundmatudiivan5916 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sometimes you can switch the default to function keys in the bios, maybe try that if you're having this problem.

    • @Anfros.
      @Anfros. ปีที่แล้ว

      Having the function row default to the function keys or having something like fn-lock is a must have for me. Even for non-developers the function keys are super important for text editing and spreadsheets, and gaming as well.

    • @jcfawerd
      @jcfawerd ปีที่แล้ว

      If I remember correctly, you can use fn lock in thinkpad to make sure those function keys stay f1-f12

  • @PluralPaul
    @PluralPaul ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wait, are you telling me there are people who DON'T use the spacebar or mouse for pause/play? 6:17

    • @darkywarky
      @darkywarky ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Those special hotkeys can usually pause a video/song that's not in the current widow, unlike the spacebar.

    • @AzVfL
      @AzVfL ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You tell me you don't multitask?

    • @PluralPaul
      @PluralPaul ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AzVfL Unfortunately not with TH-cam. If I wanna internalize something, I need to give it my full, undivided attention. Good points all around, though 👈👆👉👇

  • @paulkodankandath7460
    @paulkodankandath7460 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    whats up with youtube compression its so choppy even at 4k

  • @BrianG61UK
    @BrianG61UK ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh come on. What software doesn't let you use the space-bar as pause/play?

  • @benjaminnhlam2867
    @benjaminnhlam2867 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    With how long Force Touch has been around (since 2016) in Apple products, any touchpads that are not haptic are a no-go for me, let alone "phenomenal".
    Once you've experienced the ability to click with consistent feedback anywhere on the touchpad, there's no going back.

  • @tedubadu2536
    @tedubadu2536 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I really don’t know what I’m missing. Except for Excel, I generally feel more productive and it’s more pleasant living in the macOS environment. Windows and macOS are both fairly mediocre operating systems at the end of the day…

  • @Kay_Emm_
    @Kay_Emm_ ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw the non-elite dragonfly G4 advertised on their website with 13th gen. Is this the same line of laptops?

  • @flubba86
    @flubba86 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about the 14" Dell Precision 5470? You reviewed that a few months ago. My boss is getting me one for work. Would that have been a good candidate for replacing your 15" XPS?

  • @sturdybutter
    @sturdybutter ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Someone tell Alex to stop using Valheim to benchmark. Nobody plays that game anymore.

  • @yerielzamora
    @yerielzamora ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Alex as usual reminding me that I have small hands (or his are huge). I've always found 13" is a good size for typing (unless they try to cram a numpad in there).

  • @AloofBaloo
    @AloofBaloo ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I thought the space bar was always for Pause/Play? I've never had those function keys either, and I use HP, MSI, Dell, and Lenovo laptops daily for various purposes.

    • @DX88
      @DX88 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That doesn't work if your media is not the window you're looking at. Like most of the time you're not looking at your spotify.

  • @TidusfromZanarkand
    @TidusfromZanarkand ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:15 ok, that's sick!! I don't even have a laptop but I want this sticker

  • @ipertatosellinas615
    @ipertatosellinas615 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Looks nice! Whished it had an AMD version of it.

    • @Knowbody42
      @Knowbody42 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is the Elitebook 845 G9 and Elitebook 865 G9. You can get it with a Ryzen 6800U, and it has USB4 support.
      The screen is not 3:2, but it's 16:10 (1920x1200), and the RAM is replaceable, unlike most Ryzen 6000 series laptops.

    • @thyeweiping9094
      @thyeweiping9094 ปีที่แล้ว

      They showed the HP Dragonfly Pro at CES and that was supposedly the consumer version of this and it will be cheaper.

  • @DogLifeXtreme
    @DogLifeXtreme ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Please let Alex do a personal opinion video on macOS, would be great!

    • @davidbelecci6970
      @davidbelecci6970 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      As a mainly long term Windows user, I would say MacOS is really quite okay. It’s optimization and stability is amazing (which of course it should be since it’s only running on a small number of Apple controlled devices). You just need to get used to it, it’s limitations and possibilities, learn a complete new workflow from program management to shortcuts, investigate and discover all the handy tools and apps (that make MacOS better or are alternatives for their Windows counterparts) etc. For real basic stuff MacOS may be “user friendly”, and “accessible”, but for power users the learning curve coming from Windows is steep. (Well… at least it’s more consistent than the hot mess Windows 10/11 bring.) All this is hard and unpractical if u have work that needs to get done. I think that is Alex’s problem.

    • @DogLifeXtreme
      @DogLifeXtreme ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@davidbelecci6970 but I want Alex's opinion and not yours. Sry :/

    • @makasete30
      @makasete30 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@DogLifeXtreme he doesn’t like it. He said it’s trash. Unless you want a video where he explains why he doesn’t like it.
      But we have enough rants like those on TH-cam, in my opinion, and then the apple haters and fanboys bitch fight in the comments.

    • @or1on89
      @or1on89 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It would be junk, because it's a biased trend for the clicks...

    • @dylanewelch
      @dylanewelch ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My unsolicited thoughts on apple:
      They make incredible hardware that they proceed to load with junk software. My hack? 2015 MacBook air running windows 10 natively. Boots directly into windows. MacOS is gone completely. By far my favorite windows laptop I've used. It's sad that it's a Mac. 🤣🤣

  • @jceggbert5
    @jceggbert5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have another hp laptop with a similarly 'crappy' display. It's only 6-bit color depth.
    However, it is great for doing business-y work on. Very gentle on the eyes, even in suboptimal lighting. Office, email, and browsing is great. CAD (solidworks) is fine. This is a premium business machine, and I think the screen is the right choice.

  • @Zerotrone
    @Zerotrone ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Alex, I have a question. What would the battery life be if you set the resolution of the 4k OLED version to 1080p?
    Also, do you guys consider using Dolby Atmos? I'm not sure about this, but I think Apple uses their software to equalize their speakers.

    • @reoencarcelado5904
      @reoencarcelado5904 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All I know about it is that the-battery-life would be better because you’re not working your-LCD-monitor so darn hard.
      👉 (yes I’m referring to the built-in monitor on the laptop; the screen’s just part of the monitor. That’s-why I said “the monitor”: because I was referring-to the whole darn shebang).

  • @thatguyaadi
    @thatguyaadi ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Honestly over the past few years I've noticed that LMG has become less of what it used to be and more pointing out things that the specific narrator doesn't like, things that have seemingly no significance or opinions that are quite literally 1 percenters. These also keep changing narrator to narrator. You can't come to these group of channels expecting simple and unbiased information and instead you have to deal with keeping in mind something like "Oh it's Riley today he isn't as polished in the tech aspect of things, I better watch out"

  • @DesuVR
    @DesuVR ปีที่แล้ว +3

    DBrand doesn't even sell skins for HP laptops, WTF?!

  • @j5d
    @j5d ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the dragonfly elite at work - love that little laptop

  • @TrioLOLGamers
    @TrioLOLGamers ปีที่แล้ว

    8:50 OMG. Okay, so i probably have an idea: under Power plans you can edit when battery saver starts. The only problem is the limit on CPU...

  • @LocaLGh0sT
    @LocaLGh0sT ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I will probably buy this in 8 years from now.

  • @BravoCharleses
    @BravoCharleses ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Suggestion for future reviews: Add a webcam test that determines how well the setup handles people with darker complexions.
    I tried a recent Lenovo that worked great for my ghost-like visage but was essentially unusable for anybody with skin browner than a paper bag.

    • @pauhull
      @pauhull ปีที่แล้ว

      They can't afford it anyway

    • @BravoCharleses
      @BravoCharleses ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pauhull Who can't afford what?

  • @Anfros.
    @Anfros. ปีที่แล้ว

    The difference in the speakers sounds more like different eq than bad speakers, at least through the video. It may be that HP has optimized for voice clarity.

  • @nanospace2389
    @nanospace2389 ปีที่แล้ว

    the speakers on the hp sound like there are more mids but the macbook has more clarity, when i turn the volume up on my macbook the mids really get turned up

  • @roronoanoa7275
    @roronoanoa7275 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m not a Mac guy, but I’d rather buy a MBP for half the price.

  • @SpookySkeletonGang
    @SpookySkeletonGang ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This with a 2256x1504 screen resolution at 90hz would be my dream.

    • @viper627
      @viper627 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why that specific resolution? What aspect ratio is that? Sorry I'm too sleepy to do the math

    • @ondrejbrandejsky5592
      @ondrejbrandejsky5592 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@viper627 2:3

    • @faustinpippin9208
      @faustinpippin9208 ปีที่แล้ว

      why do you need so many pixels on such a small screen? and why people love the square ratios so much? The black bars when watching videos are depressing

  • @killianlobato27
    @killianlobato27 ปีที่แล้ว

    to believe battery time, i'd like to see what the CPU wattage is. Also, when connected to AC, does the laptop easily thottle, i.e. does the PL1 value change. For examples, on my dell XPS 13 9310, the PL1 level is 28W. However, if I dock it and thus do not open the lid, the PL1 value can easily come down to 14W. Fans have to be turned up to max to get a contanct PL1 value of 28W.

  • @DaveMcIroy
    @DaveMcIroy ปีที่แล้ว

    The physical camera blocking is useless if I activate it by a button.

  • @Formulka
    @Formulka ปีที่แล้ว +5

    those speakers are pretty damn impressive

    • @tbunreall
      @tbunreall ปีที่แล้ว +1

      At what cost though, almost 4 grand lol

  • @CrystallineLore
    @CrystallineLore ปีที่แล้ว +3

    starting at almost $3k USD... what the literal fack? At that price point, it BETTER be among the best, jeeze. And that also means you had ZERO business comparing it to the surface pro laptop 5, which starts nearly $2k cheaper...

    • @DX88
      @DX88 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just ordered the i7 version for €1500. Pretty sure Alex didn't check the prices.

  • @911canihelpu
    @911canihelpu ปีที่แล้ว

    yo, i dunno how to reach you but you can use attributes=2 regedit to expose the setting that determines how much matter is consumed before it goes into hibernation

  • @jzzsxm
    @jzzsxm ปีที่แล้ว

    Anemic! Awesome word. Going to use it this week.

  • @Hollowtriangles
    @Hollowtriangles ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Hey look it's a windows laptop that's competetive with the macbook pro" - very interesting
    "It's twice the price" - ah. but of course.

  • @tedubadu2536
    @tedubadu2536 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Huh?!?? Nearly 4k … for this…?

  • @tomwol
    @tomwol ปีที่แล้ว +1

    as for the F11/Airplane mode key - this is not a great thing. More than once I am on a meeting sharing my screen, I want the window to go fullscreen so I press F11 and oops, disconnected from the network, left the meeting I was hosting.

  • @Anutosh13
    @Anutosh13 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is that CPU in the back, is there a secondary screen build on it??

  • @marcustmusic
    @marcustmusic ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love how some of these computers make Apple’s tech look cheap in comparison and Apple is pricy AF. And with my personal experience with HP, I wouldn’t give them another penny no matter how “solid”-which is a very generous term-their tech is. Anytime I’ve dealt with HP, I feel misery but that $2,7-something starting price for those specs ain’t worth it. But sense these laptops generally target enterprise customers who’s money isn’t an issue, I’m sure it would be at benefit. I just would’ve trust HP for anything unless you hate yourself

    • @entryofemotion12
      @entryofemotion12 ปีที่แล้ว

      I echo the horrendous dealings with HP. Trying to get a workstation laptop that actually worked from them was a hassle and a half. Had to send it in TWICE for overheating problems, then when i got it back the 2nd time they called me and told me I needed to perform a BIOS update(They didn't even do it themselves!) which made the problems WORSE. They ended up sending a tech to my house to repair it. Man had to just replace the motherboard with a replacement, and it ended up working better after that. Not perfect, but at least it wasn't overheating anymore.
      But lots of money to mail it in for repairs and lots of wasted time when I could've been working for school just made it not worth it. Even with a Quadro P5000 in it, it was too much hassle and my desktop at the time was pretty close to equivalent. So I sold it and bought myself a decent gaming laptop instead, with some money leftover.

  • @jmoralesh
    @jmoralesh ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think airplane mode key it's the most useless key that, for some reason, every laptop manufacturer decide to include. Seriously, why, I can't think of a single scenario when you need to turn on airplane mode so fucking fast that you need a key for it.

  • @vanish85
    @vanish85 ปีที่แล้ว

    Alex, use configure the trackpad gestures on Windows to play/pause on 3 finger tap and volume up/down on 3 finger swipe. It’s way better than any dedicated fn key, imho

  • @anormalking
    @anormalking 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The pause play rant is hilarious
    But on all my windows laptops, i set the three fingers touch gesture to pause play (that also automatically sets three fingers up and down for volumne, and left right for playback navigation)

  • @grammy2838
    @grammy2838 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    MacOS is pretty nice once you sort out the preferences and install a few utilities. Windows has a lot of janky stuff that’s been left in the OS for the sake of compatibility e.g. multiple layers of settings menus and device management interfaces.
    If you don’t need specific windows-only apps then MacBooks make a lot of sense for work, especially now that Apple put good processors in their entry models and Windows alternatives have similar pricing. It used to be a totally different market dynamic.

    • @GP1138
      @GP1138 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Y'know, I've used MacOS so long that I am pretty used to it, and I'm not sure what the intense hate is for, especially when Windows is in such a scattered, sorry state at the moment. Probably the walled garden, the weird limitations... maybe I just don't game as much as most. But it's really a lot of personal preference. It initially annoys me when hosts on LTT just trash MacOS, but I get over it pretty quick when I think about it for more than a second and go on using what I like to use. *shrug*

    • @jorgemedinagarcia3892
      @jorgemedinagarcia3892 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@GP1138 MacOS doesn't natively support volume changing for individual programs. It is that garbage.

    • @GP1138
      @GP1138 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      OK? Sure, that kinda sucks, but I can count on one hand the times I've had to do that. MacOS isn't garbage because of that one feature missing. You just personally don't like it because it's missing that feature.

    • @alexanderclark9719
      @alexanderclark9719 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      "If you don't need specific windows-only apps"... this is exactly my problem. So many of the engineering things I do require Windows.

    • @GP1138
      @GP1138 ปีที่แล้ว

      I do have a Windows 11 VM I run once in awhile, so I definitely have felt that. It's few and far between though.

  • @BriefNerdOriginal
    @BriefNerdOriginal ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Did you just compare the weight of a 15" laptop vs. the 13.5" HP laptop?! 🤨

  • @oddvorbis
    @oddvorbis ปีที่แล้ว +1

    halfway in the video i click on the link to buy it, curious about the price. I closed both the shop and the video.

  • @comboga
    @comboga ปีที่แล้ว

    I really like the SIM card slots on most hp laptops. I hope hp always keep that feature but for the new ones make it 5g mobile network compatible. Even if they can make it esim, that would also be great.