Just watched this again, and Chris is spot on about the virtues of analogue stuff. Long live manual transmissions, mechanical watches, and turn tables!
11:08 , waxing poetical, why Chris is the best: "An analogue car in a digital age, like a lovely chronometer on your wrists, and like a beautiful turntable in your hi-fi"
I own both cars, so I can speak with experience on these two great cars. I have owned the Porsche for over 2 years and have had it on the track several times. Unbelieveable car!! I recently purchased a 2014 Z/28 when Chevy reduced the purchase price by 20%...yes 20%. Paid just over 60K. I have not had the Z/28 on the track yet, but I can tell you it will be a beast in it's domain. While this seems like a unfair comparision, it is after all just comparing two cars, both built with the track in mind. I can tell you this the sheer driving pleasure of the Camaro is on par with the Porsche, just in a differant way. It is raw, rough & completely unbelieveable for the money. A much better value then the Porsche. Once the 7.0L is upgraded to NA 650 HP this month, I think it will keep up with the Porsche and perhaps beat it at the track. And it will still be less then 70K. Stay tuned!
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU CHRIS!!! Once again, you have come through with the goods. Yes, we should have stopped moaning about the small fee for /DRIVE+. I mean $4 per month for quality content isn't really that big of a stretch, but when Chris left, that was the final straw. It's good to have you back, ol' friend!
Dunno, I think he wanted to do his own thing. After /DRIVE made a deal with NBC to keep going (as DRIVE's budget could no longer sustain free videos) there was less and lower quality content going out. I think he wanted what was best for us subscribers.
It's so weird, a few years ago when it came out I hated the camaro. But now the z28 has completely won me over. It's so strange seeing so much rubber in the front of a car. And those angles; that rectangular shape looks so rugged. I like it. I really like it.
Trygve Germo Oh yea I'm in love too. The nismo is a very fast car, but nowhere near as fast as Nissan makes is sound. They never seem to mention all the modifications they had to do for the nurburgring time. Not to mention the performance package that costed a whopping $100k. Not just this but all of GM. Have you seen the z06? Like sheesh, most lateral G ever recorded from a production car by both motor trend and Car and Driver. Also that new Shelby gt350 from Ford. . . When did American cars get this good? My word.
i used to hate camaro's too,but after watching the motor trend guy(big build,not sure what his name is,he wears glasses,one video he said this is the manliest thing i've ever done)test it with the gt-r,i started liking it(z/28 only).
***** Exactly. And not just competing with, but beating those cars too. I was so blown away when on both road and tracks and motor trends tests when it beat a gtr track edition around a track. After that I was sold.
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@@RosinGoblin I've seen about seven here in California on the streets and highways they look even better in front of you i wish I could get my hands on one.
It's hilarious how many morons on here are so butt hurt about how good of a car the Z28 is. I have never been a fan of Camaro's in general by the way. Every sports car I have owned is either German or Japanese. I do have a friend who own a GT3 RS and have been fortunate enough to spend some time on a couple race tracks with it, that Porsche is probably the best all around car I have ever driven. The first time I took a hard lap in it... I just drooled on myself. But all that proves is how cool the Z28 is considering it has been proven dozens of times to compete with or even out perform cars that are far more expensive to own and maintain. My buddy loves his GT3 but even he admits that the Camaro is badass. He is filthy rich, so he has no reason to leave his Porsche behind, but he openly admits that if he had less money the Z28 is probably a better value track car with very little drop off in fun and performance when you consider the cost to own and operate. I can barely afford to set up and run an 18 year old BMW M3 at the track on the regular...track cars are expensive no matter what kind it is. So anyone who doesn't appreciate the outstanding value and performance of the Z28 has right out of the box...has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. It's actually kind of sad to see so many people that are unwilling to enjoy the awesomeness of a new car just because they are too stuck up to admit that a "bunch of fat Americans" can actually build a badass track car that you don't have to be filthy rich to own. The even sadder part is that I promise that 99% of the people making those comments have never driven either car or one like them on a track...most have probably never driven on a track at all. All Chris Harris does for a living is driving crazy nice and expensive sports cars. So if it's good enough for him, then anyone bashing the Z28 must be one special person.
Well said. I still don't want one. I want style and power, and I think the Camaro is pretty, but it isn't what I want. I had what I want, and stupidly sold it. The other thing I want is too hard to find. Maybe the C8. Still looking. I hope you thoroughly enjoy your Camaro, I truly do.
Agreed. I haven't had the chance to get behind the wheel of a Z28 yet but I daily drive a ZL1. And while it is more powerful it is a bit on the heavy side. I'd love to experience what My car feel like after a bit of a diet and just a little more focus on naked aggression. When Chevy debuted the new Z28 I was absolutely tickled by what they did. I would not have seen it coming that they would have made a track day focused Camaro. You'd expect to get a Corvette for that role. Their audacity was refreshing and exciting. My ZL1 is my 8th Camaro. And unless I can get my hands on a Z28 it will probably be the newest one I ever own if the rumors hold true and 2020 is the last Camaro model year. It just makes me happy that GM decided to build something that isn't just some overweight, overpowered, and sloppy dragster (Hellcat).
@Bones12x2 We need more people like you in the car community. All these other toxic people trash-talking Americans, or American cars or any car in general, because they can't appreciate how good a car is, regardless where it's from, ruins the car community image.
fuck flappy paddles for goodness sake give me a car with a manual trans that will do nor to 60 in 4.5 seconds vs a GAY GTR that will do it in 2.6 cars are not measured in numbers they are measured in fun, heart, and soul get a manual transmission master the art of driving be challenged be a better driver fucks automated dual clutch shifts that happen in milli seconds that is what fat middle aged guys say to brag to there golf buddies.. damn it people SAVE THE MANUALS
Ethan Masih shitty plastic my C7 interior is nappa leather alcantara aluminum and carbon fiber exterior is carbon fiber magnesium titanium my brakes are brembo carbon ceramic so remind me what is rubbish again I forgot?????
Ummm, nope. GM, Ford and Chrysler (plus AMC, back in the day) built many great 1/4 mile cars, also great for ovals, but for race tracks where you turn both ways, brake and shift a lot... not really. Still, you have to give it to GM to try better, more advanced cars, closer to European standards.
No disrespect to Jeremy Clarkson or Tiff Needell but I got to say that between Randy Pobst & Chris Harris they both are my favorite drivers! Great on camara appeal & top notch driving skills period!! Honorable mention Vicki Henderson for her great personality and sexy witted one liners!! That Camaro is the reason why Chevy needs to get their stuff together and give the Camaro a serious & all out remake that's bound to reinvigorate the Camaro heritage! Enough playing it safe & being restrained! The new C8 proves you still have the right tools in the shed now let's hit another home run with a IROC Z for retribution!!
***** I'm 6'7" with a size 16 shoe so I know about foot angle. Rather than heel and toe try toe and heal. Actually in my case it's more toe and arch. If that makes any sense.
***** My car was like this too, then I switched the way I heel/toe. Instead of my heel braking and my toe matching, I now brake with the toe and blip with the heel, works pretty good with the short/fat brake pedal set up in many cars.
It's so great to have Chris Harris back. He does what we do. This flogging in the rain reminds me of a week I spent in Seattle in a borrowed C5 corvette. Just a blast!
So my take away here is this fella can drive, at track speeds, in the rain, while giving a review, better than me poking at my keyboard while resting comfortably on my couch. Geeesh. Love this!
Seriously, this man is the best. As a viewer he is just such a joy to listen to. He criticizes......but in a constructive way. He gives compliments.....but in a way that doesnt make him sound bias and a fanboy of a certain car/brand. He is a fan of the auto industry and cars themselves, for what they truly are. Continue to make great stuff Chris.
Still there will be many apologists for paddle shift transmissions, I just dont understand what guys like that dont get about the need to driver involvement. Government bureaucrats, environmentalists and rich posers that can't drive killed the manual transmission. There's so many great cars that you look back and think 'if only it had a manual'
Amen. In particular, I wish the 360 Stradale or the Scud had the manual option. The 360's F1 shift is ancient compared to modern semi-autos and would be so much more memorable with a manual. At least, that is my opinion.
lol those aren't the reasons they moved from stick shift to paddle shifters, it's just the price of progress. eventually cars will get so fast that a human couldn't operate a manual gearbox fast enough to keep up!
Yeah I can't wait until there's cars that drive themselves around a track faster than any human can, and you guys will say "I dont understand why you would want to drive the car yourself, the self driving car is faster' What is it you people dont understand about driver involvement and the challenge of taming a car, and there are many people that find that much more enjoyable than just being able to say 'my car is faster'
the one thing I love about Chris Harris is the enjoyment you can see on his face when he has "fun" while driving, better than other videos where they just read off the spec sheets the whole time
I love 997 GT3 RS, it's my favourite car ever! But, honestly, after watching this, I'm in LOVE with the Camaro... So beautiful, so loud, so fast and so cheap! Great vid btw!
+todd lithgow lmao Right. Other sports cars don't use wide tires because they don't want to use shortcuts to good lap times. And there would be no such thing as more down-force from wings and spoilers; the only way for more down-force is more car weight! Haha The stuff idiots will say to bash some car these days...
+todd lithgow the same reason any car has bigger tires , to carry the weight of the engine . Have you ever seen a Porsche with skinny tires on the back ? wouldn't handle worth shit cause the engine is in the back . I don't really like the new Camaro , but from a looks point , and the fact that gm decided to use the Cadillac ATS chassis for it . I have owned 3 Camaro's , but nothing newer than a gen 3 ,and gm is doing the same to the camaro as they did to Pontiac since the 60's . the Corvette and Camaro were always their own car never using a chassi from another model , the new one is too tall and boxy looking for me , but what you said is just retarded .
Rick2010100 You're very mistaken about the relationship between displacement and fuel efficiency. The z28 gets 13/19 mpg. The current generation gt3rs gets 14/20 mpg with a 4.0 liter engine. Not to mention the facts that gas guzzler tax goes by fuel efficiency and not displacementand, and that fuel is dirt cheap in America. What you said just doesn't make for good argument.
I'll be a Ford guy 'till the day I die, I just think they make such classic cars. The new facelift Camaro doesn't look too modern but the new performance versions sure are damn well put together cars, especially considering what was coming out of GM just a few years ago. I can't wait to see some testing of the Mustang GT350 and GT350R, hope Chris gets his hands on a hot Mustang soon!
Finally a Performance car from the US! Best of all it is priced correctly. As long as their are no dealer markups. I believe the European counterparts having been goudging car enthusiast all along. Competition makes them honest and savvy buyers educated.
Just a reminder to everyone in this thread that the Nurburgring isn't the only track that matters. It's only a litmus test, a measuring stick, a benchmark. Your average sports car owner who gets into racing their toys may find that what works at the Nordschleife may not work at say, Silverstone, or Brands Hatch, or their annual/monthly SCCA Hillclimb or weekly autocross session. Many people don't even care about that-- the Mazda MX-5 (Miata) is slow as all hell, as are the Scion FR-S/Toyota (GT)86/Subaru BR-Z, but they still sell because they're fun cars to drive even if they aren't fast. What more the ones that actually are, like the Caterham 7 family or Ariel Atom; both of which will happily embarrass the two cars in this video on a track day with a competent driver behind the wheel?
Not to sure who was in charge of building the Camaro but what a bang up job. Give the people what they want !!! Keep it simple and they sure did. Listen to what the customer's want stick shift jice and easy and grest bang for the buck what more could ya want. No doubts they will sell shit tons
Finally America has learned/taught itself how to build a DRIVER car. 1999 GM decided to go racing with the Corvette in a factory supported team. We got the return of Z06 in 2001, we got the LS7 in 2006, the return of the 1LE, the Z28, now a new mid-engine Corvette is coming, along with the next gen of driver machines with big brute motors. While germany, japan and the uk have moved towards DCT's, America may have been late to the show, but America has the chance to end the story with some of the baddest track day driver cars ever...ACR, ZR1, Z06, Z28, GT350R, etc. I have a Z06 and the Z28 is next on my list to add to my stable of M3 and S2k.
You drive beautifully!! really glad you like our new Z/28. were proud of it ourselfs! And I feel that as an American sports car, we are doing what we've always tried to do, is deliver a great car that can hang with the worlds best, for a fraction of the cost!! But we don't know that until a true European car enthusiast tells us that we've accomplished the amazing feat of coming close to the pure refinement of the polished European cars! Thank you very much sir!!
Having to do so much? You mean, drive? Instead of getting into a video game car, as are so many nowadays just to acquire more tenths? These 2 cars are about actually driving and showing what the driver can do, not the video game. Phenomenal creations!
I believe I did. Motortrend is awesome. I was surprised at how much better the 1le is! I think it did better than the z28. Chevy really came to bat with this camaro!
GT350, GT350R, Z/28, SS 1LE, along with new gen of Camaros coming, hopefully Dodge steps up their challenger game with something other than the hellcat... new golden age of muscle cars is here!
GM has raised their Performance Car division, one can only hope they continue to produce quality and affordable exciting pieces of work, such as the Z28.
Ok you can drift mate....but it kills the lap times. I am impressed with the manual normally aspirated mechanics. Visceral experience in a true sport car cockpit. Path of action as much on a linear plane front to back closes to the apex with controlled brake, steering throttle before, during & after is what makes it fun and fast. Ahh... yes the shifts, the shifts!!
What lap times LOL? Did you even look at the river passing on the track? Didn't you saw the Trofeo r's and the cup2? What kind of comment is that? Of course, the guy can lap a car (and you might know it very well), Chris already raced a couple of times in 24H (Nurburgring and Lemans), like real race driver, for a team, inclusive he was one of the guys racing an OEM GT3 RS back when they were released in the 24H, he was supposed to share the car with Walter Rohl and 2 other fellas, unfortunately, Walter was sick and he hadn't had the chance.
Hats of for You Chris!! Yes, a real car-rewev* whithout uscar-hate-englishtweed comment and indstead you show the experience, and drive both cars the same, and dont throw the upponent into curvs and only drift bulling.All Respekt*to you..: )
I didn't know Chris left Drive, but if thats the case, Chris you have my full support. I vowed to not watch any Drive content when they started their subscription garbage. Keep making great videos, you've got my full support.
this video has been out since november, im just now viewing it. 2 different types of cars, 2 different type of driving experience. i think chris made an awesome assessment of both vehicles. if i could afford a porsche, i would by one.. if i wanted a big muscle car i'd go buy a z28. this video did not mention any other vehicles.
+Matt Greenland The Camaro is half the price and faster on a dry track he even said it in this video to me that make the Z28 Camaro the winner both are great cars.
+Donnie Lee yeah but the Porsche has the much better handling and power to back it up. A camaro will never be an appropriate track car, its made by a county that thinks racing cars in a straight line is racing. However I would understand that statement if you were referring to a Z06.
Chris was the ONLY reason I ever watched /DRIVE. When they started charging, I completely unsubscribed from the channel. THANK YOU Chris for going your own way, you are better than those idiots anyway. YOU are what we really want to watch. I hope Top Gear scoops him up someday and throws lots of money at him, he deserves it.
Just watched this again, and Chris is spot on about the virtues of analogue stuff. Long live manual transmissions, mechanical watches, and turn tables!
I agree. Im buying one as soon as i can
And he went ahead and bought a Z28. True to his word.
and the gt3 rs
11:08 , waxing poetical, why Chris is the best: "An analogue car in a digital age, like a lovely chronometer on your wrists, and like a beautiful turntable in your hi-fi"
So true !
He is like a Classy, and sophisticated kid that just got a new hotwheels on the track.😉
I feel the same... Rather Drive the car than play a video game... Old School Rulz... \,,/
Its a proven method. Big tires, big brakes, good suspension and a good drivetrain.
Can't fuck up with that.
What about the tyres and brakes?
***** My mom can drive Manual.
Auto Bahn I can back up this claim. ;)
+C Genious same here, my mom actually taught me how to drive standard cars
How do you say all that but forget to mention "good engine"🤔😂
Only just found out that Chris owned a Z28 like this one I had to rewatch it
harris in a gt3 is one of the best things to watch.
harris in a z/28 is one of the best things to watch.
@d0z3rr Link?
@d0z3rr gg
I own both cars, so I can speak with experience on these two great cars. I have owned the Porsche for over 2 years and have had it on the track several times. Unbelieveable car!! I recently purchased a 2014 Z/28 when Chevy reduced the purchase price by 20%...yes 20%. Paid just over 60K. I have not had the Z/28 on the track yet, but I can tell you it will be a beast in it's domain. While this seems like a unfair comparision, it is after all just comparing two cars, both built with the track in mind. I can tell you this the sheer driving pleasure of the Camaro is on par with the Porsche, just in a differant way. It is raw, rough & completely unbelieveable for the money. A much better value then the Porsche. Once the 7.0L is upgraded to NA 650 HP this month, I think it will keep up with the Porsche and perhaps beat it at the track. And it will still be less then 70K. Stay tuned!
great. Any new updates ?
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU CHRIS!!!
Once again, you have come through with the goods.
Yes, we should have stopped moaning about the small fee for /DRIVE+.
I mean $4 per month for quality content isn't really that big of a stretch, but when Chris left, that was the final straw.
It's good to have you back, ol' friend!
Why did chris leave? And yes I'm glad chris is doing his own thing
Dunno, I think he wanted to do his own thing. After /DRIVE made a deal with NBC to keep going (as DRIVE's budget could no longer sustain free videos) there was less and lower quality content going out. I think he wanted what was best for us subscribers.
Paul Citti and I'm glad he went in his own direction
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pabloscarface lol great minds think alike I've been letting everyone I know chris has a free channel to go and sub right away!!!
Do you ever take time out to appreciate Chris and how ambidextrous he is in these cars...SALUTE 🙌🏽
It's so weird, a few years ago when it came out I hated the camaro. But now the z28 has completely won me over. It's so strange seeing so much rubber in the front of a car. And those angles; that rectangular shape looks so rugged.
I like it. I really like it.
And it's a bit faster on most tracks than a Nismo GTR!!! I'm so in love it's not even funny
Trygve Germo Oh yea I'm in love too. The nismo is a very fast car, but nowhere near as fast as Nissan makes is sound. They never seem to mention all the modifications they had to do for the nurburgring time. Not to mention the performance package that costed a whopping $100k.
Not just this but all of GM. Have you seen the z06? Like sheesh, most lateral G ever recorded from a production car by both motor trend and Car and Driver. Also that new Shelby gt350 from Ford. . . When did American cars get this good? My word.
i used to hate camaro's too,but after watching the motor trend guy(big build,not sure what his name is,he wears glasses,one video he said this is the manliest thing i've ever done)test it with the gt-r,i started liking it(z/28 only).
***** Exactly. And not just competing with, but beating those cars too. I was so blown away when on both road and tracks and motor trends tests when it beat a gtr track edition around a track. After that I was sold.
Good to know the worlds most important car enthusiast likes the Camaro!
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Please do it. A dollar a month is the minimum, and waaaay better content than 'the other guys'. If Chris came up to you and asked for 12 bucks a year to help him film baddass car videos, you'd probably say yes, wouldn't you?
Maybe one of the best american sportscars ever made.
Definitely
SergeantMoetz Sorry Pal, GT 350-R, that Cross Plain V-8 that rev’s to 8,200 rpm is pure music.
@@RosinGoblin I've seen about seven here in California on the streets and highways they look even better in front of you i wish I could get my hands on one.
mike chavez
Yep. Nothing like it at full song.
😂 laughs in Viper ACR
It's hilarious how many morons on here are so butt hurt about how good of a car the Z28 is. I have never been a fan of Camaro's in general by the way. Every sports car I have owned is either German or Japanese. I do have a friend who own a GT3 RS and have been fortunate enough to spend some time on a couple race tracks with it, that Porsche is probably the best all around car I have ever driven. The first time I took a hard lap in it... I just drooled on myself. But all that proves is how cool the Z28 is considering it has been proven dozens of times to compete with or even out perform cars that are far more expensive to own and maintain. My buddy loves his GT3 but even he admits that the Camaro is badass. He is filthy rich, so he has no reason to leave his Porsche behind, but he openly admits that if he had less money the Z28 is probably a better value track car with very little drop off in fun and performance when you consider the cost to own and operate. I can barely afford to set up and run an 18 year old BMW M3 at the track on the regular...track cars are expensive no matter what kind it is. So anyone who doesn't appreciate the outstanding value and performance of the Z28 has right out of the box...has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. It's actually kind of sad to see so many people that are unwilling to enjoy the awesomeness of a new car just because they are too stuck up to admit that a "bunch of fat Americans" can actually build a badass track car that you don't have to be filthy rich to own. The even sadder part is that I promise that 99% of the people making those comments have never driven either car or one like them on a track...most have probably never driven on a track at all. All Chris Harris does for a living is driving crazy nice and expensive sports cars. So if it's good enough for him, then anyone bashing the Z28 must be one special person.
Well said. I still don't want one. I want style and power, and I think the Camaro is pretty, but it isn't what I want. I had what I want, and stupidly sold it. The other thing I want is too hard to find. Maybe the C8. Still looking.
I hope you thoroughly enjoy your Camaro, I truly do.
Agreed. I haven't had the chance to get behind the wheel of a Z28 yet but I daily drive a ZL1. And while it is more powerful it is a bit on the heavy side. I'd love to experience what My car feel like after a bit of a diet and just a little more focus on naked aggression. When Chevy debuted the new Z28 I was absolutely tickled by what they did. I would not have seen it coming that they would have made a track day focused Camaro. You'd expect to get a Corvette for that role. Their audacity was refreshing and exciting. My ZL1 is my 8th Camaro. And unless I can get my hands on a Z28 it will probably be the newest one I ever own if the rumors hold true and 2020 is the last Camaro model year. It just makes me happy that GM decided to build something that isn't just some overweight, overpowered, and sloppy dragster (Hellcat).
I have a 17 SS 1LE and it is by far the most fun car I have owned. Came from an E92 335i and a 2006 350Z before that, both well-modified
@Bones12x2 We need more people like you in the car community. All these other toxic people trash-talking Americans, or American cars or any car in general, because they can't appreciate how good a car is, regardless where it's from, ruins the car community image.
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Watching Chris is as close to actually being in the car with the driver as you can get.
Thank God! TH-cam is worth watching again!!!
Man Chris can drive. Talking and driving on a track with one hand.
Love both cars but bang for the buck, the z28 is hard to beat.
Who would of thought a Camaro against a legendary Porsche.....Great job Chevy!
Great job chevy
Chris, cannot thank you enough.
The sound of that V8 is great!
Chris Harris is one of the best drivers out there!!!
fuck flappy paddles for goodness sake give me a car with a manual trans that will do nor to 60 in 4.5 seconds vs a GAY GTR that will do it in 2.6 cars are not measured in numbers they are measured in fun, heart, and soul get a manual transmission master the art of driving be challenged be a better driver fucks automated dual clutch shifts that happen in milli seconds that is what fat middle aged guys say to brag to there golf buddies.. damn it people SAVE THE MANUALS
BAHAHHAHAHA OK
hahahah lool (y)
Americans don't know how to build cars.. Shitty plastic rubbish
Ethan Masih shitty plastic my C7 interior is nappa leather alcantara aluminum and carbon fiber exterior is carbon fiber magnesium titanium my brakes are brembo carbon ceramic so remind me what is rubbish again I forgot?????
Small detail, but i really appreciate no bleep noise when Chris say's bullshit.
"Make a track car out of a Camaro?" I love your skills and commentary Chris but you know what? We have been doing that since the 1960's.
George Semar Hooah to that!!🇺🇸💪👍
Ummm, nope. GM, Ford and Chrysler (plus AMC, back in the day) built many great 1/4 mile cars, also great for ovals, but for race tracks where you turn both ways, brake and shift a lot... not really. Still, you have to give it to GM to try better, more advanced cars, closer to European standards.
In my eyes, the best bang for the buck that Z28 Camaro! And it looks gorgeous! I'll have one thanks haha!
Best bang for your buck would probably be the C7 Z06..have you watched Motor Trend's video? That car looks insane.
Naah, still for my buck would be the Z28. :D
C6 Zr1 is also good
Sebastian Bunea ... 7 litres for 500bhp..? And no aircon
No disrespect to Jeremy Clarkson or Tiff Needell but I got to say that between Randy Pobst & Chris Harris they both are my favorite drivers! Great on camara appeal & top notch driving skills period!! Honorable mention Vicki Henderson for her great personality and sexy witted one liners!! That Camaro is the reason why Chevy needs to get their stuff together and give the Camaro a serious & all out remake that's bound to reinvigorate the Camaro heritage! Enough playing it safe & being restrained! The new C8 proves you still have the right tools in the shed now let's hit another home run with a IROC Z for retribution!!
excellent review!!! Damn I luv the GT3 RS,my all time favorite!! The z28 is an absolute beast..I would take either car!! Keep the reviews coming...
Great to see you back Chris. Please, never leave us.
Chriss!!!!!!!! Could you PLEASE do a video on how to heel-and-toe???
*****
I'm 6'7" with a size 16 shoe so I know about foot angle. Rather than heel and toe try toe and heal. Actually in my case it's more toe and arch. If that makes any sense.
it is nothing difficult really... even when it looks like
Still! I'd like him to show us yo heel and toe just as he showed us how to drift in the M235i
***** My car was like this too, then I switched the way I heel/toe. Instead of my heel braking and my toe matching, I now brake with the toe and blip with the heel, works pretty good with the short/fat brake pedal set up in many cars.
It's so great to have Chris Harris back. He does what we do.
This flogging in the rain reminds me of a week I spent in Seattle in a borrowed C5 corvette. Just a blast!
2023 here: still watching it 😊
Z/28💪🇺🇸
So my take away here is this fella can drive, at track speeds, in the rain, while giving a review, better than me poking at my keyboard while resting comfortably on my couch. Geeesh. Love this!
The BEST Camaro ever made. Only 1800 in two year production and probably the last with the. 427 engine. This cars are going to be very collectible.
6th gen Camaro is better
What a madman behind the wheel! I love it!
I would be happy with either of these in my driveway. Petrolheads, be glad such cars still exist!
The stig keychain on the z28 keys lol I love it
Seriously, this man is the best. As a viewer he is just such a joy to listen to. He criticizes......but in a constructive way. He gives compliments.....but in a way that doesnt make him sound bias and a fanboy of a certain car/brand. He is a fan of the auto industry and cars themselves, for what they truly are. Continue to make great stuff Chris.
Still there will be many apologists for paddle shift transmissions, I just dont understand what guys like that dont get about the need to driver involvement.
Government bureaucrats, environmentalists and rich posers that can't drive killed the manual transmission.
There's so many great cars that you look back and think 'if only it had a manual'
Amen. In particular, I wish the 360 Stradale or the Scud had the manual option. The 360's F1 shift is ancient compared to modern semi-autos and would be so much more memorable with a manual. At least, that is my opinion.
Alfa 4C !
TheJusticeCross Oh yeah. I don't understand why that car does not have a manual.
lol those aren't the reasons they moved from stick shift to paddle shifters, it's just the price of progress.
eventually cars will get so fast that a human couldn't operate a manual gearbox fast enough to keep up!
Yeah I can't wait until there's cars that drive themselves around a track faster than any human can, and you guys will say "I dont understand why you would want to drive the car yourself, the self driving car is faster' What is it you people dont understand about driver involvement and the challenge of taming a car, and there are many people that find that much more enjoyable than just being able to say 'my car is faster'
the one thing I love about Chris Harris is the enjoyment you can see on his face when he has "fun" while driving, better than other videos where they just read off the spec sheets the whole time
paddle free zone. the car world needs more of that. Its also great your vids are now free.
I love 997 GT3 RS, it's my favourite car ever!
But, honestly, after watching this, I'm in LOVE with the Camaro... So beautiful, so loud, so fast and so cheap!
Great vid btw!
It's cheap as it uses wide tyres as a shortcut to good lap times,the chassis itself will be awful and if it was a light car it wouldn't turn.
+todd lithgow lmao Right. Other sports cars don't use wide tires because they don't want to use shortcuts to good lap times. And there would be no such thing as more down-force from wings and spoilers; the only way for more down-force is more car weight! Haha The stuff idiots will say to bash some car these days...
+todd lithgow the same reason any car has bigger tires , to carry the weight of the engine . Have you ever seen a Porsche with skinny tires on the back ? wouldn't handle worth shit cause the engine is in the back . I don't really like the new Camaro , but from a looks point , and the fact that gm decided to use the Cadillac ATS chassis for it . I have owned 3 Camaro's , but nothing newer than a gen 3 ,and gm is doing the same to the camaro as they did to Pontiac since the 60's . the Corvette and Camaro were always their own car never using a chassi from another model , the new one is too tall and boxy looking for me , but what you said is just retarded .
But with 7.0l displacement you will pay taxes like hell for the car and also the fuel consumption will easily eat the price difference.
Rick2010100 You're very mistaken about the relationship between displacement and fuel efficiency. The z28 gets 13/19 mpg. The current generation gt3rs gets 14/20 mpg with a 4.0 liter engine.
Not to mention the facts that gas guzzler tax goes by fuel efficiency and not displacementand, and that fuel is dirt cheap in America.
What you said just doesn't make for good argument.
Wow, the Z28 revs to 7krpm? That's quite the number for 7l of displacement and eight cylinders.
My engine is a 6.0 liter v8 that revs to 6800
Anton Zuykov ironically legitimately nothing to do with being a v8 and everything to do with stroke length
Bob Sagit valve train
@@bobsagit10 it has nothing to do with it being a v8 nor the stroke length in this case.
reno LS7 absolutely has different stroke and bore than other LS’s. LS7 has the only stock block that can have a 4 inch stroke.
6:37 he thought there was a paddle lmao
Good catch lol
I can't imagine trying to wrestle that Z28 in the rain.
All of that weight actually helps quite a bit in the wet. You don't hydroplane nearly as easily, even with the Camaro's stupidly large tires.
Chris Harris is a lucky guy because he's a big kid always playing with the best toys, and he earns a living with it !
My two favorite cars, literally.
The Z/28 is underappreciated. Thanks Chris Harris for educating the audience about the purpose of this vehicle in your words "the digital age"
That 997 is a handsome looking car.
Proper video! Thank you, Chris.
I would take the camaro, love the looks and sound of it.
Watching this Is so satisfying. A drenched track.....a drifters dream.
Back at this 9 years on now. What machines !!
I'll be a Ford guy 'till the day I die, I just think they make such classic cars. The new facelift Camaro doesn't look too modern but the new performance versions sure are damn well put together cars, especially considering what was coming out of GM just a few years ago. I can't wait to see some testing of the Mustang GT350 and GT350R, hope Chris gets his hands on a hot Mustang soon!
3:00 that precision. Sublime.
Finally a Performance car from the US! Best of all it is priced correctly. As long as their are no dealer markups. I believe the European counterparts having been goudging car enthusiast all along. Competition makes them honest and savvy buyers educated.
shelby gt350r was cheaper from factory and faster. unfortunately dealers played the appreciation card on them. i hate the used car market so much
The GT350R is way more expensive then the Z28
8:04 Stig on the keychain :)
Lol good eye I did not see that until you said something that's a guy to look up to.
Just a reminder to everyone in this thread that the Nurburgring isn't the only track that matters. It's only a litmus test, a measuring stick, a benchmark. Your average sports car owner who gets into racing their toys may find that what works at the Nordschleife may not work at say, Silverstone, or Brands Hatch, or their annual/monthly SCCA Hillclimb or weekly autocross session. Many people don't even care about that-- the Mazda MX-5 (Miata) is slow as all hell, as are the Scion FR-S/Toyota (GT)86/Subaru BR-Z, but they still sell because they're fun cars to drive even if they aren't fast. What more the ones that actually are, like the Caterham 7 family or Ariel Atom; both of which will happily embarrass the two cars in this video on a track day with a competent driver behind the wheel?
This is my favorite video of all time on TH-cam I don't know why but it's awesome
a z28 like that one is on my bucket list. an attainable drivers car with a real stick, thank you gm
z/28 is a beast... i want one !
Z/28 is a beast I want one
Z/28 is a beast I want one
6:38 reaching for the paddles😂😂
trans am series, camaros have always been great track cars
Said no one ever
SI RICKO derp
Thanks to have you back Chris ..you were always bigger than drive ..Noe you own you and fans are pleased
Hello Chris, curious to hear your thoughts on the new Ford GT 350 Mustang compared to the Camaro.
my jaw dropped when i saw those 305's in the front... damn!
Not to sure who was in charge of building the Camaro but what a bang up job. Give the people what they want !!! Keep it simple and they sure did. Listen to what the customer's want stick shift jice and easy and grest bang for the buck what more could ya want. No doubts they will sell shit tons
Finally America has learned/taught itself how to build a DRIVER car. 1999 GM decided to go racing with the Corvette in a factory supported team. We got the return of Z06 in 2001, we got the LS7 in 2006, the return of the 1LE, the Z28, now a new mid-engine Corvette is coming, along with the next gen of driver machines with big brute motors. While germany, japan and the uk have moved towards DCT's, America may have been late to the show, but America has the chance to end the story with some of the baddest track day driver cars ever...ACR, ZR1, Z06, Z28, GT350R, etc. I have a Z06 and the Z28 is next on my list to add to my stable of M3 and S2k.
You drive beautifully!! really glad you like our new Z/28. were proud of it ourselfs! And I feel that as an American sports car, we are doing what we've always tried to do, is deliver a great car that can hang with the worlds best, for a fraction of the cost!! But we don't know that until a true European car enthusiast tells us that we've accomplished the amazing feat of coming close to the pure refinement of the polished European cars! Thank you very much sir!!
the stig on the camaro key
this is heaven thank you so much
And that's why I consider you Chris Harris the best. Honest, unbiased....
Having to do so much? You mean, drive? Instead of getting into a video game car, as are so many nowadays just to acquire more tenths? These 2 cars are about actually driving and showing what the driver can do, not the video game. Phenomenal creations!
The camaro was faster than the RS on the track ? wow.
with the new Mustang GT350R, I feel this test has to be redone.
I believe I did. Motortrend is awesome. I was surprised at how much better the 1le is! I think it did better than the z28. Chevy really came to bat with this camaro!
Yea amazing! Can you imagine what the ZL1 and then next gen z28 will do? They're gunning for GT3RS stats
GT350, GT350R, Z/28, SS 1LE, along with new gen of Camaros coming, hopefully Dodge steps up their challenger game with something other than the hellcat... new golden age of muscle cars is here!
TheHm3 And for the love of all that is holy, something smaller... I swear the Challenger looks like it could eat the Charger nowadays.
The RS is screaming. Love it
This dude is a fuckn machine. He drove that z/28 around a wet track like it was nothing. He kicked that ass out and kept everything in control
GM has raised their Performance Car division, one can only hope they continue to produce quality and affordable exciting pieces of work, such as the Z28.
Ok you can drift mate....but it kills the lap times. I am impressed with the manual normally aspirated mechanics. Visceral experience in a true sport car cockpit. Path of action as much on a linear plane front to back closes to the apex with controlled brake, steering throttle before, during & after is what makes it fun and fast. Ahh... yes the shifts, the shifts!!
What lap times LOL? Did you even look at the river passing on the track? Didn't you saw the Trofeo r's and the cup2? What kind of comment is that? Of course, the guy can lap a car (and you might know it very well), Chris already raced a couple of times in 24H (Nurburgring and Lemans), like real race driver, for a team, inclusive he was one of the guys racing an OEM GT3 RS back when they were released in the 24H, he was supposed to share the car with Walter Rohl and 2 other fellas, unfortunately, Walter was sick and he hadn't had the chance.
997 GT3 RS hands down easy.
TheHardcoreLife uumm yes!
The noise of gt3 it's simply beautiful
Hats of for You Chris!! Yes, a real car-rewev* whithout uscar-hate-englishtweed comment and indstead you show the experience, and drive both cars the same, and dont throw the upponent into curvs and only drift bulling.All Respekt*to you..: )
Dude was just throwing those cars around the corners .. insane
4:45 Thank you! That can't be given to you.
the Nürburgring track times in the z/28 was on a very wet track and gm paid back there loan and bought all there stocks back in 2013
That face right there 5:07 is what the word "right" means, the sublime look of acomplishment.
I just bought a Z28: you are spot on - she is special
I didn't know Chris left Drive, but if thats the case, Chris you have my full support. I vowed to not watch any Drive content when they started their subscription garbage. Keep making great videos, you've got my full support.
this video has been out since november, im just now viewing it. 2 different types of cars, 2 different type of driving experience. i think chris made an awesome assessment of both vehicles. if i could afford a porsche, i would by one.. if i wanted a big muscle car i'd go buy a z28. this video did not mention any other vehicles.
Dam he's a good driver !!!
The camaro does sound an look the part especially for how much it costs
loved watching those cars in the wet anyone notice the stig key chain in the camaro
This kind of videos cure my anxiety.
Stig key ring. Neat!
The GT3 RS will always win against pretty much anything.
couldnt agree more! especially 997
+Loki Ronin especially 991 now
+Matt Greenland The Camaro is half the price and faster on a dry track he even said it in this video to me that make the Z28 Camaro the winner both are great cars.
+Donnie Lee yeah but the Porsche has the much better handling and power to back it up. A camaro will never be an appropriate track car, its made by a county that thinks racing cars in a straight line is racing. However I would understand that statement if you were referring to a Z06.
Donnie Lee not so sure about dry track. Porsche is ~20 sec faster around Nürburgring
With reference to a good turntable in your hi-fi is simply another reason why Chris is one of the best.
Chris was the ONLY reason I ever watched /DRIVE. When they started charging, I completely unsubscribed from the channel. THANK YOU Chris for going your own way, you are better than those idiots anyway. YOU are what we really want to watch. I hope Top Gear scoops him up someday and throws lots of money at him, he deserves it.
Agree 100% with what he said about the front tires on the Camaro, I want bigger front tires on my 997turbo.
I love the LEGO Stig figure on the key! I'd still get the Porsche over the Camaro, I just love Porsche too much.
side thought- his rolex is quite nice