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- Lithium-Ion battery fires pose unique challenges to firefighters. CBS News' Ash-har Quraishi reports few firefighters know how to effectively extinguish these fires.
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Don’t charge in your garage🔥
Do not charge near your home. And charging stations are probably more dangerous
Wait till the home insurance company get on the bandwagon for ev that will but a damper on sales
It already is, especially in the UK. Many cannot get insurance on their cars, or homes where they park and charge
It would be difficult for sales to get much lower. All of the government incentives have expired. IDK why the government refuses to acknowledge the fact that NO ONE WANTS THEM
Will never own one, never.
I am 100% protected from EV fires I don't have an EV in my driveway
Except for the one time you are in a multi vehicle crash. And you are trapped . It's needs to be everyone's concern
I prohibit guests from parking those junkers anywhere on my property
I had to endure what should've been a pleasant 3 hour ferry crossing in Scotland, worried sick because a Tesla was parked right next to our car and caravan below deck.
Next time I cross, I shall be asking if there are any EVs on board.
The crew can handle ICE car fires but not EVs!!
Who in there right FREAKING MIND would buy an EV
You still have lithium ion batteries in your house.
On a brighter note you won't need to buy a coffin or pay for a cremation, they come free with your EV😂😂😂
Hey that rhymes
Awesome Julie, my hat's off to you!
Why are these companies allowed to makes these batteries but not be responsible for making a better way to put them out if they catch fire?
Maybe it's to wake people up from this government sponsored arson.
You are being played by the media for headlines, fact is that and ICE car will catch fire 60x more frequently, this is based on US insurance stats for 100,000 vehicles.
@stevehayward1854 be careful on stats. Way more ICE vehicles out there and with a larger diversity of use and misuse. EVs are just seeing the degree of usage diversity and hence the increasing number of fires. Regardless, the rate of fires isn't concerning. It is the intensity of the fire and the deficulty to put it out. It's actually frightening. There was a UPS B747 that went down due to battery shipment catching on fire. Care is needed handling these batteries and people driving cars don't always take car of their vehicles. More EV get up there in mileage and abuse, that rate of fire will increase.
@@andret4403The stats are based on per 100,000 vehicles so it doesnt matter if there is a large discrepancy in total numbers, it's based on the same volume, for every 100,000 ICE cars 1,532 catch fire and for every 100,000 EV's 25 catch fire but the news media rather cover an EV fire than a ICE fire making it seem like there are more EV's that catch fire, whilst ICE cars catching fire is not news worthy
@@andret4403 You really do have to do your own research to find the actual truth rather than be taken in by media hype.
The media is sponsored by legacy auto advertising money and Petrochemical industries lobbying funds which are huge, you can understand why they would want to put you off EV's, they have a lot to lose. They will end up like Blackberry, Kodak and Nokia, to name a few that refuse to change with the times and go bust.
The future is EV's and the technology is improving daily, where as ICE cars have reached their peak at 25% efficiency, meaning 75% of the fuel you put in the car gets converted to heat and only 25% of the fuel gets used to propel it along
EV now stands for Explosive Vehicles.
Exactly!
Wait til we tell kids where electricity comes from…….. sad that isn’t talked about
In the UK 50% of electricity generated comes from oil or natural gas. To get it to the motor of the EV, it is transformed to High Tension voltage, transmitted by cable over the countryside, reduced to lower voltage in the local substation, incurring energy losses all the way. The largest energy losses are conversion to chemical energy by charging the battery and conversion back to electrical energy to drive the car. This means the twice as much energy is used than the fuel for a combustion engine. An EV runs on remote combustion.
@@peterjackson2625 EV's in Norway get their source of power through hydropower which is from a dam. Renewable energy.
Does the electricity for EV batteries come from a different place that the electricity for your home? Yes, electricity production currently creates emissions. And consider this. Pollution from a fixed source is much easier to manage and control than from a mobile source.
@@jackfrost8439 And Pete Buttigieg has spent over $2 billion of taxpayer money to build two, that’s right to electric Charging stations, now get your panties in a ruffle because that’s an actual fact if you can check it
Making the battery and disposing of the battery is not good for the environment
Agree. I see an electric car, I assume the driver a fool.
@@mercoid And from my experience, that assumption ended up being true with only one exception so far.
Whilst a EV uses 1400kg more co2 to produce, in the UK that is offset at 12500 miles typically, other countries vary according to energy source. EV batteries are recycled
Neither is burning fossil fuels.
Very little recycling of batteries here; it's not cost effective yet. The labour costs are horrendous. @@crumbschief5628
How will an EV react in a pileup ? Scary to think about it..
EV's are crash tested to the same standards as normal cars. They are not allowed to catch alight.
Google some, not nice viewing!!
@@crumbschief5628😂😂👍
@@crumbschief5628 the battery is partially discharged before crash test. Does not fully simulate real world conditions.
@@WeeShoeyDugless Any accident is not nice viewing but look at the statistics, not the sensation.
"Saving the environment" one fire at a time!
You can bet the insurance companies that offer homeowners insurance are ready.
have they? they penalize you for having a trampoline, but runaway lithium bombs in your garage is A-OK? Unreal. We all pay for EV fanbois anyways, insurance will simply cost shift across all policies.
We got similar issues here in Australia reported several ev fires one incident was a holding yard for rental cars at sydney airport a ev rental car the battery sustained damaged underneath the vehicle while it was hired they thought it was a great idea to remove the battery and sat the battery in front of the car it wasnt tarped up to keep the rain out it was weeks later the battery went into thermal runaway and burnt 5 other cars with it
John Cadogan did a piece on that car on his channel, worth a look in👍
@@WeeShoeyDugless John Cadogan is the only Australian journalist who understands the issue
Tesla should be held responsible financially for this.
But it was a ford. Tesla did not invent Lithium Ion batteries. In Fact Tesla use Lithium Ion Phosphate batteries which a a little less subject to thermal runaway than the batteries used by most other EV producers,
"a little less subject to thermal runaway"😂😂
That reminds me of a couple of strangers speaking about a guy who was killed in a car accident and one guy said (true story).... "that guy was lucky he hit the tree, did you see the embankment he could've rolled down!"
And for their deadly AI self crashing feature.
The European union and their Green party should be hold responsible, they started this nonsense.
These electric cars are rolling time bombs.
With the new floodings in New York the E Bikes, Scooters, and EV are ticking time bombs
The good news is saltwater is a fantastic medium for battery fires. The salt is an electrolyte and helps degrade the power in the cells and the water cools the thermal runaway. Its once the floods recede the problems will begin
The best way to protect your electric car from fire hazard is to never park it next to another electric car.
Well start sending EV driver the bill when their EVs catches fires
You won’t be able to talk about this on Twitter it will be taken down immediately for freedom of speech😂😂😂😂
Elon = Evil
Water or foam makes the fire worse - it adds resistive corrosion to the array, generating more heat. Salt water caused several car fires in Florida.
Ya Boys and Girls were goin GREEN!!! How many gallon of petrol would it take to make that much carbon? Oh and Petrol fires dont release heavy metals like battery fires! Want to save the world keep your petrol and plant a billion trees!! 🤔🤔😸😸
I worry about the electric door handles, can you get out of the vehicle in time?
They can lock on you completely yes
10 TIMES the water to put out an EV fire boy we're saving the planet! An EV already causes more pollution at the beginning and at the end of its life then the lifetime of a ICE engine! And that's if it doesn't start on fire😂
Common sense is not as common as one would think.😢...we are going to pay dearly.
Thats just to initially put it out. Without being submerged under water they can and do reignite. Sometimes a week later due to more thermal runaway
@@GrantfromEarth apparently a month later! Have you seen the video of them unloading freemantle highway?
Sweden uses Cobra cold-cutting system (a mobile water jet cutter) to inject water directly into the EV's battery pack through the EV's floor. They put out battery fires in about 10 minutes using only 60 gallons of water. I suspect the manufacturer is going to get many new orders for its 1997 creation over the coming years for being one of the most effective EV-fire tools.
BTW, the garage door didn't miss the firefighter's head: his helmet got a dent in it, likely saved him from severe injury or death.
Q: Lithium-ion battery fires are up. Are firefighters ready? A: no, neither firefighters NOR the larger society. okay next question.
Besides obvious national security threats, Chinese 🇨🇳 electric car production uses *forced labor* working in coal-fired plants.
The factories aren't coal fired, the electricity that powers the factory likely comes from coal fired plants. I don't even think you know what you're saying.
Ok... coal fired car production plants, I think you mean a power station?
@@crumbschief5628To be more specific because just saying power station can mean a lot of power stations like hydro power station powered by dams
Ban EV'S
Hopefully the fires will continue and electric cars will become uninsurable and not be forced on us.
yeah but no one gets hurt or any non-E cars
Insurance premiums in the UK (if you can get one) are already pricing folks out the market with some companies charging upwards of £5000 sterling for cover!!
" electric cars are good for the environment!" LOL! 😂😂😂
Only a horse can make it from coast to coast by just eating grass!Them thar automobiles will never make it, horses forever!
Nope but they are better than ice cars.
@@crumbschief5628ice cars will never catch fire.
Don't buy an EV, it's that simple.
Carbon footprint of T-Rex lol
I honestly feel that fire stations should have a very large dump truck on standby full of earth to dump on top of EV car fires and bury them. That seems to be the best way to put those kinds of fires out and limit the damage to nearby structures.
Smothering them doesnt put out the fire, the batteries, when in thermal runaway, produce their own oxygen supply.
I dont know but, covering them up with soil may make a huge buildup of lethal, explosive gasses?
Better to have a large mobile tub with a claw hoist to pick it up and drop it in the tub full
If water. It doesn’t stop the fire, but it contains the heat. Then of course there is the issue of disposal and adds a whole other aspect to o fire fighting having to do with what to do with the hunk of junk.
@@jeffmoodie6144Yeah I was thinking of ideas like this. The problem is that they are so heavy. You would need at least a Cat 308 on a trailer to lift that much and then the problem is the fire is so intense it would blow all the hydraulic lines. It's a big problem with no easy solution.
More water to extinguish, more training (which takes energy) for EV’s, lithium mines, cobalt mines, power to charge these beasts. Sounds “green” to me!
I doubt there's enough Cobalt on this planet for all these batteries. One big lie.
All the profits from sales go to the car companies. Make them pay for all these unintended consequences!
So, Ford, GM etc should pay for oil spills, pipeline breaks, oil transport trains derailing and burning down towns?
Most of the manufacturers (besides Tesla) are losing loads of money on every EV they produce. There are no profits.
@@jimwavect
It appears Musk is in the s%$t with his horrid Cyber Truck, he has 1.9 million customers who have put a deposit of $100US down for a vehicle they are struggling to get off the drawing board/test beds😂😂
As a former Firefighter, i would not go near one, someone will get trapped and burn
We are building a plane as we fly it. What's right today is wrong tomorrow with EV.
Protect yourself from EV fires by not purchasing an EV, it works!
Checked for safety by the manufacturer... that's absolutely ridiculous. They made it, they profit from it... only a barage of litigations can stop this. This is what it will take unfortunately.
ALL LYTHAM BATTERYS AND EVS NEED TO BE BANNED,REMOVED FROM AMERICA. FORCE THE MANUFACTURER TO BUY THEM BACK.
Absolutely. Government needs to control what vehicles we buy. In fact it should prohibit the sale of those huge pickup trucks to anyone who cannot document a convincing need for one.
*Every fire department in America needs to have standardized training for EV fires and lithium battery fires; cell phones and electric cars are everywhere now!*
Yes they light ev batteries with gas to make it look good !
They do have training. They just let EV cars burn. They are too difficult to put out.
do we need to do rapist avoidance training with children or just hang the criminals? Do we push an underfunded fire departments to take the brunt of something that should not even exist? Do we tolerate EV's cause the fire fighters are dealing with it? This is stupid. So many things and methods of arranging machines and engines is illegal to do for safety reasons nothing as dangerous as EV fires and no one even considers a ban lolz. As long as some climate cultists get a mansion right, who cares if we get a few crispies just like the Maui land grab.
Not just cars, the bikes and scooters too.
owners should pay pollution penalty
Imagine when the Tesla Transport Truck goes up in smoke! The fire starts so extremely fast, you hardly have time to stop and get out. I can 100% imagine house insurance going way up if there is an EV parked at the house.
This is hilarious training with a little petrol fire 🤣 I'd like to see them get that sheet over a real EV battery the things are ferocious and burn like a blowtorch.
I remember leaving my phone on my car for five minutes during a Georgia Summer, and the phone immediately over-heated. It was damaged and had to be exchanged.
For EV batteries to be outside during peak temperatures, those batteries need to be cooled even when the car is not in use.
EVs automatically regulate their batteries’s temperature using liquid cooling all the time, whether in use or not.
Climate Change is real !
no !@@j.phoenix
@@j.phoenix….A very reliable system, I’m sure. NOT!
you have to cool the battery from outside the battery to prevent outside air from warming it up. This is not in the design, they are made to burn
Most of the LI-ION battery fires are caused by cheap, aftermarket batteries that people buy off of Amazon and eBay to save money. The cheap knock-offs don't have the same charging protection circuitry as the OEM batteries.
Yes, the statistic included fires caused by lithium-ion battery's for all type of devices. While the rest of the report had EVs as a focus.
Saving the environment? Those metal vapors are extremely hazardous contaminating everything within 100 yards. The initial carbon footprint of the EV batteries means that you need to drive the car 50 to 70 thousand miles just to break even. 😢
Electric cars and trucks. Are a big joke
Yea man never park close to one either, they can just blow up while they are turned off unbelievable… no talk of this on TV of course cause this is our future: a burning hell we can’t put out.
Just perfect for an ideal car.
Moditech CRS is the gold standard for Hazard information on ALL vehicles not just EVs plus Alternative fueled vehicles in construction, farming, landscaping and specialized services. Most of the other apps and the OEM ERGs use Moditech CRS screens for their their own products.
This technology has way more negatives than positives. We need to pump the brakes. EVs time will come.
How are these cars even legal? They are ticking time bombs
So how smart is this ❤
Imagine owning a vehicle with the possibility that it could catch fire. And I’m not talking about petrol cars
Shocker. Yet Ky is building one of the largest battery factories in the USA 🤦🏻♂️
This is the biggest reason I refuse EV at my shop, I don’t work on them nor will I allow them to park anywhere near my building and definitely not inside. Sorry but I can’t risk losing everything I worked for over 1 vehicle. I won’t even let one near my building to put air in the tire. Go see the dealer that sold it to you, it’s just to much risk for an independent shop.
SOUNDS REALLY ECO FRIENDLY
Just make a dry blanket shaped fire suppression compound and attach it to the battery activated by whatever switch makes sense.
0:34
You'd think the car engineers would tell the Emergency Responders HOW to extinguish a Lithium car battery.
And consumers are driving these explosive vehicles.
Truly amazing.
The most ridiculous part is it says “Few firefighters know how to extinguish these fires”. Uhh news flash lithium is equally or worse than magnesium. I don’t care who you are you won’t be putting them out without burying the car. (In some cases.) Yes we have foam etc but we are way ahead of our skis. This is the issue with people they don’t understand you need to reinvent a fire apparatus to accompany new technology like lithium power cells. The extreme amounts of energy they store, it produces it’s own heat source. So your in a sh.. sandwich.
e-Bike battery alone going off, has the power of 6 hand grenades. What do you think an EV has with the size of battery they have.
How bout an even better preventative measure, stick with ICE Vehicles instead of EV’s. That immediately solves this issue and doesn’t cost anything.
How in hell were they ever approved. They are a risk to life.
They cant be...once it starts it's unstoppable
EV lithium-ion batteries contain a FLAMMABLE electrolyte that can result in fire or even explosions if they are punctured, damaged, or heated. ------ The electrodes are submerged in a liquid called an electrolyte, which allows for the movement of ions and consists of lithium salt and organic solvents. It is these ORGANIC solvents which are the leading fire hazard in Li-ion batteries.
Regarding the house fires it isn’t just the batteries from cars, but also portable tech devices like phones, tablets, laptops, bikes, scooters, things like that. As lithium ion batteries age they become unstable and swell then eventually go up in flames. That’s why it’s not a good idea to keep old devices around unless you remove and get rid of the battery. Also fires from over charging is a big problem, especially from generic batteries from amazon.
I got an idea... how about just recalling these cars until the engineers get the technology right..
Sure glad we're saving the environment with all these EVs catching fire, belching noxious smoke and requiring extraordinary effort (and copious amount of scarce water) to extinguish them...
Use salt batteries
Ban electric vehicles
Good idea. It would not only help save the environment from toxic electric smoke, save our water resources, but save the communities from paying more taxes that goes into paying fire fighters to fight the fires from those damn things!
Germany has the highest taxes in Europe… why? Mostly everything is electric or renewable energy, wind, solar battery. Welcome to the future boys, let’s go green! I mean let’s make the water green! 😂
@tommygogetter5992 the chemicals in a EV is 1,000 times more toxic. Go ahead and believe your garbage.
iphones too
The amount of water to extinguish an EV vehicle is 40,000 gallons.
Lithium burns when it comes in contact with water. Using water is wrong.
What!?
@@cre8tion26you can dump a burning lithium battery in the middle of a lake and it'll still be burning...underwater for a while...in fact, it'll burn faster and hotter :)
So you do NOT want to dowse li batteries w/water like those firefighters are doing. It's just making it worse. :)
nobody knows.. firefighters are only beginning to train their ppl.. the world should get ready for the lithium era ASAP@@midnull6009
There is no way I am buying an electric car. I have enough reservations about e-bikes even though I have some.
I'm so happy that industry and government are not letting little things like public safety get in the way of pushing this technology on the public.
(EPA is releasing rules that are intended to ensure that electric cars represent between 54 and 60 percent of all new cars sold in the United States by 2030 and 64 to 67 percent by 2032-in 9 years)
Back to drawing board for the battery I’d say.
Grata Thunderbolt I mean Thunburg should see this and how much pollution its making.
I think all electric vehicles must be equipped with emergency fire blankets.
Do you have a car-sized fire blanket in yours?
You mean 25 in every 100,000 car fires is UP??🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🦖🦕
So when every vehicle truck, bus, semi is electric?????
In 2001 two skyscrapers were destroyed by fire . Regulations must certainly have prohibited fire sources from buildings after that terrible incident . Never forget … when you are told lies!!!
Do they know why the battery packs are catching fire? I discovered accidentally that a lithium battery has a magnetic field you can measure with a compass. Sometimes the magnetic field points to the positive terminal but sometimes to the negative terminal. Hmm...
They should have local tow truck companies that have a flat bed with a steel box they can pull the car in to burn with a relief for gas’s
Any other consumer product with the problems of EVs would have been legislated off the market well before now.
“The government doesn’t fix problems, the government is the problem.” Ronald Regan
You should be talking to a chemist. Lithium is a highly reactive metal. It reacts violently with water. It forms lithium hydroxide an hydrogen gas. The H2 is what makes it so explosive.
No big deal. Just change tactics. We will get past it. In 2021, when I bought my Tesla M3, the US government reported 175,000 vehicle fires. Only 25 of those were EV fires. Thermal runaway is definitely a thing, but it can be fought. This is a bit of a beat up, and more emphasis needs to be placed on training and appropriate technology. Dont blame the cars, but certainly resource and train fire depts.😊
Anybody notice how the GM guy scrolled through the year made for info on how to put out fires on different EV's ? So let's see the app which will identify the year of the burning vehicle when arriving at the scene with the thing engulfed into flames.......
This isn't what caused the Maui fire I hope. No Comment Joe?
too busy getting a jail cell ready for Trump
@@Handle70770 Actually he's too busy blending his meal and applying lubricant to his nether regions.
That’s actually a crazy theory, what if these are intentional ticking time bombs that they can set off at will. For whatever psychotic agenda they have in store.
Ok Jethro
Car sized fire blankets seem to be highly effective.
Pretty sure you can't smother a lithium fire, car sized fire blankets would only act to contain the fire not actually put it out.
Or you could just drive a gasoline car.
@@JensSchraederor you could ride a bicycle. I like this game. Fun times.
@@Spacemonkeymojoyou can. It takes longer than a non-lithium fire. A search for lithium fire blanket gets lots of demonstration videos showing success.
@@jgalexander510
But not an E-Bike😂😂
You're talking about this subject like the government actually CARES about consumer safety or protection.
They DON'T.🤔
In a nutshell don’t get an ev no matter how much the government pressured you
EVs can turn into a roast oven in seconds. Drive with the windows down and practice unlocking your seat belt in an emergency. Don't transport children in an EV.
Try building a vehicle that does not burst into flames. How about that?
I noticed foam was not mentioned. Why?
Because foam is used to remove oxygen from a fire via smothering. Lithium Ion batteries produce their own oxygen. Foam is far less effective at cooling the battery pack and stopping the thermal runaway. Its the last thing you want to put on a Li fire
Firefighters are busy dealing with the dew attacks..
The manufacturers of these vehicles and batteries need to have a method to electronically discharge all of the cells within the battery as it is those cells shorting that cause the fire to reignite. Also not only land base firefighters need training on how to contain and put out these fires anyone storing, transporting and using them should be trained. These batteries should be supervised while charging just as those with regular cars must stay with the vehicle while filling the tank.
Yea the whole electric car thing doesnt seem to be working out so good. Maybe we should fully test our products before releasing them into the wild. Like self driving cars. I dont think were ready yet. We always seem to be in a hurry for the latest trend, and then we spend the next decade paying for it. And instead of learning we seem to just panic and cry about it.
This happens with every single product that comes out. How many people died horribly in the 1900s because of how unsafe ICE cars were? We had to take Lead out of gas because of the damage it caused, same with mercury and asbestos. It seems this is standard protocol for everything. Get the product out, see what damage it causes and adjust accordingly. if we could find a better way then great, but what is it?
@@jasonackor7958 Electric vehicles didn't came out just last year, we had these since 2008. In the last 15+ years battery life has not improved. People end up buying a new expensive EV every year with old ones filling up land fills and we can't recycle the used lithium.
And don't go "Itz wUz POLITciZEd" when your favorite comedian finally brings this up to you in a trivialized matter after they find a way to use it to gaslight people who were against it.
Yes
Every reason why I will never buy a stupid EV
This is something else that the fire service needed B4 these EV's ever hit the road and not after. Real nice huh?
Looks so environmentally friendly. All that wasted water, chemicals and time.
I'm going to give you guys a tip - use conductive liquid to put out a battery fire. Your Welcome.
Alarming,disastrous 😢😢😮