9 Fuel Myths Stupid People Fall For (You’re Wasting Money!)

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  • @derekcallan1921
    @derekcallan1921 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +50

    As a technician premium fuel does actually have more cleaning agents than regular

    • @HeinzGuderian_
      @HeinzGuderian_ 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Only Shell does that. BG did tests and discovered everyone else uses the same amount across all grades, the only difference being octane.

    • @shawnkelly695
      @shawnkelly695 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Sucker paying more

    • @odiumpugnator472
      @odiumpugnator472 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      NO, "premium fuel" does NOT actually have more cleaning agents. You are perpetuating a LIE.
      "Top tier" gasoline brands add their own cleaner, and those fuels may have "more" cleaning agents.
      However, with any single brand the additives in their regular, midgrade, and premium are the SAME.

    • @sl4983
      @sl4983 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Following

    • @fendisaintlaurent4257
      @fendisaintlaurent4257 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@HeinzGuderian_ Yup.

  • @mchenrynick
    @mchenrynick 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Fueling up at certain gas stations CAN be a gamble, especially if not many people stop there. The problem lies in that the water in the gas tanks separate from settling. The brand name doesn't matter. There was one in Belvidere, IL next to a Road Ranger/Fas Fuel. My car ran rough after fueling there and I never went back there. Within a couple of months, they closed.

  • @46babaganoosh
    @46babaganoosh 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    Myth 6 is not a myth, it's a fact. Regular gas has more methanol, more methanol means lower mileage per tank. Lower mileage means more fill ups, which means more money. Also, regular gas goes bad faster than premium gas.
    I used to use regular gas, I could smell the varnish in the exhaust, switched to premium, no more varnish build up, engine runs smoother and get better mileage. Can't argue with the facts.

    • @shawnkelly695
      @shawnkelly695 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      The price difference isnt worth it. Only high compression engines need premium

    • @odiumpugnator472
      @odiumpugnator472 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The amount of BS and lies that believe and promote is funny, staggering, and sad all at the same time. NO, "regular" octane gas does NOT have "more methanol".
      That is FALSE, a lie.
      Many people have tested the "lower mileage" myth, and proven that it is a myth.

    • @jstravelers4094
      @jstravelers4094 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      My Crown Vic police interceptor I bought at auction hated premium fuel.
      Ran waaaay better on 87 octane.

    • @sl4983
      @sl4983 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What make of car?

    • @erikg.2666
      @erikg.2666 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Ethanol, not methanol. Methanol is quite harmful to modern fuel system components.

  • @buzztoole4751
    @buzztoole4751 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    There are major differences between regular & premium. Most cars will run either one without noticeable difference but there are situations where the difference becomes very noticeable. There is also a very noticeable difference in storage life between regular & premium. Use premium in your lawn mower and itll start next spring but leave a tank of regular in it this winter & you'll have to work on it next spring.

    • @Blase-u4f
      @Blase-u4f 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Try using alcohol free gas in small engines. Alcohol attracts water and clogs and corrodes carburetors. The people that make money selling you a new weedeater every year won't like it, but you will.

    • @buzztoole4751
      @buzztoole4751 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Blase-u4f yeah if you can really get alcohol free, often the pumps marked alcohol free still have alcohol in it, you can find vids on TH-cam about that. I've found in my area the premium is less likely to contain alcohol than the regular. Been doing lawn care for years, premium saves money in long run, ole big Husqvarna saws sit on shelf sometimes for months and months but fire up on first couple pulls. Also use AMSOIL products, their Sabre two stroke oil will help a commercial user get 10 years out of a string trimmer!

    • @michaelotoole1807
      @michaelotoole1807 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Blase-u4f shure if you can find it.

    • @odiumpugnator472
      @odiumpugnator472 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      That is all FALSE. The best way to keep gasoline from breaking down and gumming a carb, for that spring start up, is to use fuel stabilizer.
      All top-tier gasoline, of any octane rating, which means "regular", "midgrade", "premium", has the SAME additives to the gas.
      The ONLY reason to use "premium" octane gas is if you have a vehicle with an engine that is DESIGNED, TUNED, to actually use higher octane gas.

    • @sl4983
      @sl4983 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@odiumpugnator472so should we use a fuel stabilizer when filling up?

  • @fullcirclethinker
    @fullcirclethinker 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    Regular is as low as $1.559 in this video!! Those were the days!

  • @samr.england613
    @samr.england613 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Sea Foam works great. My throttle nozzle thingamajig was becoming clogged, the Check Engine light had come on, and my truck would jerk when I accelerated. I poured a can of SF into half a tank of gas, then filled the tank. Halfway home (two miles), CE light goes off, jerking stops. This was five months ago, truck still running great.

    • @crazydoglady5
      @crazydoglady5 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      what is Sea Foam?

    • @samr.england613
      @samr.england613 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@crazydoglady5 I'm no mechanic, but, to my knowledge, it cleans fuel injectors and cleans and lubricates your engine's fuel and oil systems (you can also add it to your oil, it tells you how much on the instructions), and removes carbon deposits. All I know for sure tho, is that the stuff works, and made my truck run right, and my Check Engine light went OFF. Mechanics always recommend Sea Foam, as it is vastly superior to STP gas treatment and all the others out there.

    • @samr.england613
      @samr.england613 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@crazydoglady5 It costs $11 bucks at the auto parts store.

    • @crazydoglady5
      @crazydoglady5 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ ohhh wow..i have never heard of it before. Will try it.

    • @samr.england613
      @samr.england613 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ I had never heard of it either! An old buddy of mine, who happens to be a retired mechanical engineer, told me about it! Thank God for friends, because it probably saved me hundreds of dollars if I had had a mechanic shop clean that, "throttle-nozzel-thingy"!

  • @EVH3730
    @EVH3730 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    If dirty valves cause engines to lose performance, then clean valves preserve (not add) engine performance. To keep your valves clean, Techron actually works. It's been tested and proven by more than a few experts.

    • @shadboy
      @shadboy 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes & also good to have induction service say ever 35,000 miles I have gained 1 or 2 m.p.g. right after this !!

    • @John-w4w4r
      @John-w4w4r 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Ty for sharing this tips 😊

    • @michaelbutera6617
      @michaelbutera6617 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes you're right! My Boss in California in the 80's actually knew the guy that sold his Techron (gas additive) to Chevron. My Boss would have a 5 gallon can of this pure additive and would tell us get a small fuel additive bottle, empty and Fill it up with the pure Techron.
      With any gas we used we could really tell the difference! MY ACTUAL TESTIMONY HERE FOLKS! And Much Much Thanks to MJC my Best Boss In The World! To this day!🤗😇
      Thank You Michael 🙏🏼👍🏼

    • @shadboy
      @shadboy 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@michaelbutera6617 Yes I use sea foam in my 2 stroke outboard -i'm going to use in my car now and also techron ***

  • @stevethompson8171
    @stevethompson8171 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    You addressed drag in your first minute. My father, a physics school teacher bought a 1968 CJ5 Jeep. He did an experiment with it. All were top speed tests; top down, top up, top and windshield down. Best top seed was top up, less drag from the interior of the Jeep.

  • @jonnyblaze69in
    @jonnyblaze69in 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    I like how he goes right from all gas is the same, then says use better gas in the seafoam section

  • @kellyinfanger9192
    @kellyinfanger9192 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    Low fuel tanks have more air. More air = more condensation = small amounts of water in your fuel.

    • @jasperriley3923
      @jasperriley3923 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      This does happen.

    • @truckstopcowboytruckstopco5639
      @truckstopcowboytruckstopco5639 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Water doesn't hurt the combustion cycle. We used to clean carburetors with a mist of water.

    • @shawnkelly695
      @shawnkelly695 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@truckstopcowboytruckstopco5639but will freeze in winter

    • @46babaganoosh
      @46babaganoosh 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ Not since they came up with winter gas.

    • @kellyinfanger9192
      @kellyinfanger9192 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @46babaganoosh Sorry, but you are conflating two different issues. Winter gas affects the speed in which the gas in your tank vaporizes. Conversely, this comment is about the air inside the tank having water condensation. The more humidity inside the tank when conditions hit a thing called the dew point = more water separating from the air. Less air = less condensation.
      There is a related issue with the air in an idle engine. When running an engine, it is wise to run it long enough to heat up completely. A scientist (not me) could explain why turning a cold engine off again before it warms completely up tends to trap more moisture inside the motor. Over a long period of time, that causes harmful oxidation.

  • @maryloudelossantos1624
    @maryloudelossantos1624 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Thank you for sharing your video. Tips are valuable and helpful.

  • @scottyreeves8179
    @scottyreeves8179 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    STOP the madness !! About 80% of EVERYONE driving, can't even MANAGE to add BLINKER FLUID in their cars.. much less, even KNOW HOW to use their finger, to move that little lever on the side of the wheel, to make the blinkers WORK !!!!!!!!!!
    IF you can't operate a switch, you SHOULDNT HAVE A LISCENCE !!!

    • @IdahoRanchGirl
      @IdahoRanchGirl 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I know how to add blinker fluid. It's not that difficult. It's hard to find though.

    • @scottyreeves8179
      @scottyreeves8179 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      That's awesome ! I wish more people did !! I use 15W-B high mileage fluid😳

    • @searchingforlostatoms7191
      @searchingforlostatoms7191 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Put license fluid on your list of spelling errors

    • @scottyreeves8179
      @scottyreeves8179 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @searchingforlostatoms7191 ok...check 😁

  • @busabusa1529
    @busabusa1529 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    I don't believe anything about the engine turning off saves fuel idling at a 3-minute light don't burn any more fuel than restarting the engine that makes no sense at all

    • @46babaganoosh
      @46babaganoosh 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Don't forget the added wear and tear on the starter and battery.

    • @veltonmeade1057
      @veltonmeade1057 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I agree. I also think that it takes more fuel to re-start the engine, than if you merely let it idle.

    • @foxstrangler
      @foxstrangler 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      And if you have a rubber cam belt, there is more stress on the toothed belt.

    • @shawnkelly695
      @shawnkelly695 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@46babaganooshand dry starts.

    • @NRP-f4s
      @NRP-f4s 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@foxstranglercam belt? You mean timing belt? And timing belts are rubber, timing chains are metal. I've never heard of this cam belt which you talk about...

  • @brucknerian9664
    @brucknerian9664 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I put regular in my '99 Mercedes Benz Ml 320 and the Check Engine light comes on. The manual calls for higher octane fuel, it runs better.

    • @NarwahlGaming
      @NarwahlGaming 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I have the same with my BMW.
      It usually takes about 3 tanks of premium for the light to go out.

    • @jamslam5641
      @jamslam5641 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I used regular in my Lexus to save money and the engine started pinging plus got lousy gas mileage which negated any savings. You have to use premium when it calls for it or you'll end up blowing the engine.

  • @tristatetrifecta
    @tristatetrifecta 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +74

    my truck actually burns gas better with 93 rather then 87.. Also gives me alil quicker throttle response when passing on the highway

    • @EVH3730
      @EVH3730 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      I'm just curious... what kind of truck do you have, and are there any modifications? Is this summer or winter fuel in the USA?

    • @tristatetrifecta
      @tristatetrifecta 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@EVH3730 i have a 2007 chevy avalanche .. bone stock except for a afm disabler . doesn't matter if it is summer or winter. think cause the higher octane burns slightly better is what does it

    • @transiting
      @transiting 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      High octane can reduce engine knocks.

    • @busabusa1529
      @busabusa1529 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Try buying a new knock sensor

    • @michaelstuart1092
      @michaelstuart1092 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      every car I have ever owned got better fuel milage on premium. as far as cleaning . drop a part that needs cleaning in regular vs premium. then the truth be known.

  • @brianpeace7585
    @brianpeace7585 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    I have tested at length the performance of my vehicle when I got it (new) on premium vs regular many times on the same 2 hour stretch of highway. Premium gives me approx 10% better fuel mileage, and better response for passing. I'm running it full time on premium now. It costs 10% more so I don't think I'm saving anything, but if the engine is working a little bit less to produce the same results I'm going to assume I may get another 20-30k miles out of it at the end of it's life, than if I had run it on regular, which should make it worth while. Maybe I'm right, maybe not.. but it's the way I feel .

    • @shawnkelly695
      @shawnkelly695 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Lol they debunked that. You are delusional

    • @brianpeace7585
      @brianpeace7585 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@shawnkelly695 who's "they". I trust my own experiments over "they" anyday.

    • @shawnkelly695
      @shawnkelly695 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@brianpeace7585 lol ok. You one of those that have a immagination that runs wild.

    • @odiumpugnator472
      @odiumpugnator472 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What vehicle and engine do you have on which you did your test?

  •  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    I assume you are American so this may not apply to you. But I worked at Saint Fergus gas plant in the UK and noticed ALL fuel coming ashore was stored in ONE tank..from which virtually EVERY fuel company drew fuel from that tank - labelling it 90 - 92 - 95 etc octane for their customers' choice. And that's a fuel station RIP-OFF

    • @TenaB-j2l
      @TenaB-j2l 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      In America the gas companies such as Shell, ExxonMobil, Chevron add additives that change the octane of the fuel.

    • @veltonmeade1057
      @veltonmeade1057 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      How do they get away with this?

    • @foxstrangler
      @foxstrangler 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      But what you don't see is the additives that go into the manifold when the tanker fills up. That is where the difference lies. Buy a premium fuel from the top companies and you get better results. My old boss ran a tank farm with fuel supplies, and he was also on the Govt fuel advisory committee. He knew what went into the delivery manifold.

    • @georgeblanchard5278
      @georgeblanchard5278 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Always thought they were doing this , watched a fuel tanker truck filling a gas station and doesn't make sense , same tank same fuel in 3 different caps refill ⛽⛽⛽

    • @michaelhall9138
      @michaelhall9138 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The fuel may come the same source, but the specific additive packages are added at the station.
      Low fuel may not hurt the engine, but it kills the fuel pump.

  • @electronron1
    @electronron1 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I had a car that would trip the pump off well before it was full if the nozzle was pushed all the way in filler neck. I could usually put an additional 10 gallons in the tank when this happened.
    I drive past the local fuel depot almost every day and I've seen every brand fuel truck lined up to fill up.

  • @sheenadevoux5541
    @sheenadevoux5541 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks SO much for all the great info! My little beater (2001 Saturn, 118k miles/and not a typo..lol) has been a dream so far, hoping to keep it that way. I heard you mention a few times about "newer cars" being better with some things - that makes sense, even though I've kinda thought they might be built with less overall quality like so many other things. My question: Given that my car is 24 years old, which category would mine fall under? "Newer cars" or "older"? I've subscribed, looking forward to learning lots more, thanks again! :)

  • @petetomiello4103
    @petetomiello4103 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Try operating a car without additives. They are there for a reason. I fill up with Chevron every fourth or fifth tank. I have driven for 51 years, and I have never had to replace an injector. In the 1980's and 1990's injector failure was common. Now, just buy a Honda and forget all these marginal car care topics. Why can't America build a good reliable car like Honda and Toyota?

    • @beauglenn2204
      @beauglenn2204 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Honda still needs a timing belt replacement every 100,000 MI

    • @cpa28761
      @cpa28761 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      The simple answer is "UAW". They could purchase a Honda or Toyota and reverse engineer it. They may already have done so and found out that putting the same quality into a vehicle in a UAW plant would make the manufacturing so expensive that the vehicle could not compete in the marketplace.

    • @Bdamazyn
      @Bdamazyn 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@cpa28761 Yes, and quality of parts. Ford and GM purchasing agents will only buy the cheapest parts. Quality comes 2nd.

    • @petetomiello4103
      @petetomiello4103 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@beauglenn2204 as long as the valves don’t hit the piston, it is a weekend job. My VW TDI Bug lost its timing belt at 76,000 miles. Bent a few valves. Who puts a timing belt on a diesel?

    • @petetomiello4103
      @petetomiello4103 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@cpa28761 American labor is too expensive. This was brought in by inflation. Stimulus checks were a big part of the recent inflationary problems. The recent government has crippled us badly.

  • @danr4197
    @danr4197 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I have a 2009 Hyundai Sonata I bought new and love it. It still runs like a top but I never liked the cruse control. Even with the slightest incline the transmission will constantly go in and out of "lock up". That is when the torque converter locks up to prevent slippage and creates a direct connection to the engine basically bypassing the clutch. Going in and out of lock up not only puts wear on the torque converter, when it goes out of lock up the engine RPMS go about 200rpm higher making the engine work a bit harder but is not necessary. Depending on my set speed and incline it will actually sometimes make the transmission down shift into 4th gear. When I see an incline I usually speed up about 5-10mph without even going out of lock up and make it up the incline no problem. On an DECLINE the cruse control would often sort of feel like it is putting the car in neutral and then re-engaging the transmission which then goes back into lock up. It's no so much the gas it may be wasting, it is the extra wear on my transmission and labor on my engine I do not like!

  • @margaretknoedler8575
    @margaretknoedler8575 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I disagree all gas is the same. Also you said a "quality gasoline " was better than fuel additives

  • @mototechsam3051
    @mototechsam3051 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    I run ethanol free fuel as I don't want the trash fuel of ethanol

    • @mzaki4949
      @mzaki4949 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      In my former western country, the regime forces 10% ethanol in all fuel.

  • @themysticalexperiencer8141
    @themysticalexperiencer8141 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I have a 2017 Camry, and my AC uses a lot of gas. But it's better than roasting.

  • @laraoneal7284
    @laraoneal7284 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ty for these facts to dispel the myths. It helps to know the truth.

  • @billwhitis9997
    @billwhitis9997 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I always use seafoam every few years to keep my injectors clean in my '97 Camry. Also use fuel additives in my older diesel and oil additives from time to time (every 10,000km) for my HEU injector system. Makes a notable difference. But yes, most additives are expensive hookum.

    • @thewoodmoose
      @thewoodmoose 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Try Gumout; Seafoam is actually made for Outboard motors, while Gumout Total Fuel Cleaner is formulated for cars/trucks. I used to buy Seafoam too until I saw Scotty the Car Guy actually test & show inside motors with a camera.

  • @mototechsam3051
    @mototechsam3051 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Ethanol I used and gas mileage went down went back to ethanol free fuel my milage did much higher

    • @sl4983
      @sl4983 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Is that even available in the USA?

  • @7islander
    @7islander วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Tip, Dont fuel up at a station that is in the process of getting fuel from a tanker. The tanker is stirring up the gas in the stations tanks. If those tanks have dirt or water in them you will be pumping some of that into your car.

  • @nemo6900
    @nemo6900 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    this video seems largely based on paper very little real world as a test on the high grade fuel verses low grade i did a full tune up on my car ran 2 tanks of 91 octane then did another full tune up and ran 2 tanks 87
    with the 87 octane i had less power and and lost 60 miles per tank..now a cvt transmission may be able to out perform a manual for efficiency however it is a very high maintenance and costly trans that has the highest fail rate i can pick apart alot more of this video based on real world expearance

  • @kencurtis228
    @kencurtis228 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    TY for Sharing

  • @lisam4631
    @lisam4631 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I use the fuel that is recommended for my truck. And it works just fine, as this video suggests.

  • @ivanvelez7668
    @ivanvelez7668 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Hello, nice video. What about for dinosaur vehicles such as mine a 2007 Acura RDX. I've been putting premium gas into the gas tank. Should I change it to regular?

  • @palladini9718
    @palladini9718 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    I disagree with the one comment that all gas is the same. When I was driving and working, if I filled up at one gas station, I could run all week, but if filled up at Esso, I had to refill Thursday night

    • @corvettefever360
      @corvettefever360 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      This I will agree on. I have definitely noticed this one.
      Unlike those swearing premium made their cars faster, better mileage etc etc

    • @mikesmith6461
      @mikesmith6461 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Too much ethanol?

    • @joemontreal
      @joemontreal 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      You want to no esso uses éthanol mix in theyr gas now Shell is doing that mix also

    • @shadboy
      @shadboy 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      where do you live we don't have esso in fl. I find sunoco or b. p is better here?

    • @ronnieleemichael4973
      @ronnieleemichael4973 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Did you maybe drive further in the second time

  • @CMAenergy
    @CMAenergy 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The one thing about buying fuel that is truly true
    If you can buy fuel that is colder, yes it is denser.
    Underground tanks do provide exactly the same as when the temperature is warm
    But have you noticed some fuel tanks around in some places are above ground,
    But most of those are usually diesel,
    And can we get a smidgin more
    The answer is possibly but probably not enough to notice,

  • @JEGSKYWAY7
    @JEGSKYWAY7 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    Raise hell with shell
    Go slow with sunoco
    BP not for me
    No Valero for camaro

    • @sl4983
      @sl4983 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ??

  • @henryostman5740
    @henryostman5740 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    CVTs have a very poor reputation for reliability, even worse is the dual clutch automatic that got its start in racing cars, race cars have their engines and transmissions rebuilt on a regular basis, probably several times during a race season, hope you don't need this since it's very expensive. Gas companies have 'hooked' the public on 'premium fuels', there is nothing 'premium', it's just a technical difference in the fuel, knock resistance, that is needed by some engines and not others. If your owner's manual recommends using 'high octane' or so called 'premium' fuel, yes do so, if it doesn't you simply don't need it and won't get any benefit from using it. Modern high performance engines that recommend high octane fuels generally have 'knock sensors' that will automatically reduce performance levels if they detect this problem, if this happens you will notice the performance reduction and increased fuel consumption so on your next fill-up you should follow the manual. By the way, the price difference at the pump, these days about 75c is a rip off since it only costs the oil companies about a dime extra to make this stuff. Another rip-off to avoid is 'auto diesel' often sold in truckstops to their diesel auto and small truck customers at a higher price than the truckers pay, diesel is diesel, the standard for diesel fuel is set by the government and the petroleum institute, it needs a cetane level of 40 or better, low sulphur levels, a additives to keep the injectors clean, and the fuel from gelling in cold weather, thus 'winterized diesel'. Note that there is 'off road' diesel, this is fuel sold without road user taxes and is dyed red, generally used by farmers and construction companies for their 'off road' equipment. While it is no different than regular diesel don't use it in your regular vehicle, if you get caught the fines will make it the most expensive fuel you ever bought.

  • @bobjacobson858
    @bobjacobson858 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Years ago, some garage insisted I should use a certain additive. After he put in into the car, he asked if I noticed the car started more easily. I told him it was starting instantly without problems BEFORE he added anything. After that I quit getting my car serviced there.

  • @Jasper9000-wd5sm
    @Jasper9000-wd5sm 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I used to run the pump up to an even dollar amount after it cut off just to save hauling those pesky coins around wearing holes in my pockets, now I havent used cash in many years there is no need to do that,
    My brother who is in his 70s still swears by using the higher more expensive octane fuel although the car doesnt require it, people just get set in their ways and you cant change a lifetime of experience no matter how wrong it is. I still see these used car ads that say something like "always run on premium fuel", like as if that is going to make the car worth more. I used to drive manual cars and turn the AC off going up a hill back in the day, fortunately technology has left those old pre 90s clunkers in the dust. They dont make em like they used to for good reasons.

  • @nancismith7705
    @nancismith7705 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I use premium because my vehicle overheats on regular unleaded and my check engine light comes on. Since I started using premium unleaded, I have had no problem with my engine.

  • @46babaganoosh
    @46babaganoosh 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Myth 3, bull. Different fuel companies add different detergents to their fuel, some will add enough to meet government standards, some go above and beyond government standards. Where I live, Shell premium is the best you can get, Co-op is the worst. Co-op also adds more methanol to their regular fuel than any other company. Methanol is cheaper to produce than gas, more methanol higher profit, lower mileage.

  • @mikmik9034
    @mikmik9034 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You don't burn gas, You burn the vapors as the gas evaporates. You can toss a match into liquid gas, but will have explosion if the vapors are lit.

  • @ronnieleemichael4973
    @ronnieleemichael4973 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    So the both times I have ran out of gas a few times in two different vehicles both cars stopped running after putting gas in yet worked again when I changed the fuel filter were just flukes? I don't think so. Maybe you should make videos of riding bikes

  • @jasperriley3923
    @jasperriley3923 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Octane booster only work in older carburetored engines that do not the hardened valve seats that are in newer fuel injected engines. The octane cushions the blow when the valves seat. In older cars you san actually heard the valves slapping when in a hard pull when using fuel without enough octane. This is worse on older motorcycles that are air cooled as the run hotter. It will wear out the valves and the seats quicker.

  • @jamslam5641
    @jamslam5641 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Myth that's true is Chevron, Mobil, Shell, 76, Arco, Costco, Valero and others have better gas than Habib's Discount Gas. They're called Top Tier Gas and have multiple studies and testing that back up their superiority including AAA. Even all the auto manufacturers recommend using Top Tier only.

    • @sl4983
      @sl4983 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I prefer 76

  • @navycorpsmanveteran61
    @navycorpsmanveteran61 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Opinionologists are deep in the comments...😂😂😂

  • @gerrytinder3602
    @gerrytinder3602 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Disable the auto-stop feature in newer cars. Save wear and tear on starter, pistons, transmission, battery and fuel pump.

  • @DogAteMyPopcorn
    @DogAteMyPopcorn 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I'd be more concerned about the guy at 1:27 driving in his garage with the turnt cap. He looks clueless, hope he didn't go through the wall.

  • @realtor-corrinemccaffery2161
    @realtor-corrinemccaffery2161 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Tests prove running the Ac on uses fuel. Look it up. At idle…. Ac on costs a lot of fuel.

    • @sl4983
      @sl4983 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I believe that's true.

    • @terrencem223
      @terrencem223 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yep, also heat. I live in a climate where it is cold over half the year and MPG is significantly lower when I use the heat. And it's not an old vehicle, 2020 Tucson with 36K.

  • @foxstrangler
    @foxstrangler 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Add some 2 stroke MINERAL oil at a rate of 200/1 to your gas. It will clean your fuel system, keep your engine cleaner, lower emissions and improve your mpg. AUDI and Mercedes discovered this many years ago with low quality fuels in Asia. I've used it for years, and it works. My annual emissions test is virtually nil.

  • @lanlam9959
    @lanlam9959 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I finally changed my wife's thought about different fuel brands👍👍🙌. She always said, like you all fuels are the same 🤐🤐🫣

  • @egarnica9759
    @egarnica9759 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I had a car if o put regular gas it would stall out, it loved premium!! Additives in gas will make your engine feel better. My Chevy run a lot smoother on Plus.

  • @thepegger8422
    @thepegger8422 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They showed a Chevy during the A/C section. Having owned a number of Chevrolet products over the years I have noticed that the A/C compressor cycles on it own when the vehicle heater is set to defrost. Even when the A/C is turned off at the dash. Check it out on your own and see. I often drive in early/late summer when it's not so hot, with the windows closed, the fan on lower speed and set to defrost. Car stays cool. Am I saving gas? No idea, but I figure if the A/C is cycling anyways, why not take advantage?

    • @jimeikner6597
      @jimeikner6597 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      reduces humidity, by design.

  • @celestemichon1038
    @celestemichon1038 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not in Canada, sorry to say, but there’s gas stations that sell inferior fuel and then your vehicle doesn’t run very well after you have to go to another gas station and put her in higher octane. I don’t know whether they put water in it or what I’m just saying, I’ve experienced it myself.

  • @briangode1381
    @briangode1381 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    On this business of wasting gasoline I have seen it all some newer automobiles have automatic on and off when cars stop and go I ask does this ruin your cars ignition switches I have seen bad switches where they go bad cars go off roads into bushes the more simply made the better nicer our lives would be

    • @beauglenn2204
      @beauglenn2204 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Those kind of stop and go engine systems are not hard on the ignition however they are very bad for your starter motor!

    • @rogerdodrill4733
      @rogerdodrill4733 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@beauglenn2204some hybrids have giant starter motor, the elec drive motor starts the car, so multiple starts wont harm it

  • @danielsitzmann8592
    @danielsitzmann8592 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I always run 92. My 5.0 Ford has a compression ratio of 10.5 to 1. In my opinion, that's too high for low octane fuel.

  • @IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII-q1b
    @IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII-q1b 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I don't know but I have a 2007 Cadillac cts 3.6. I have noticed that if I use a higher octane fuel, I have gotten better gas miliage.

  • @CarmenGarcia-bu3so
    @CarmenGarcia-bu3so 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I live in chicago I see people putting gas with the car ON,WHEN IS COLD, IS THAT OK? WHEN SHOULD I GIVE A TUNE UP ??MY CAR IS 2017,,,

  • @zeriousvolt1245
    @zeriousvolt1245 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Modern A/C? Who has them?
    Automatic doesn't guarantee low fuel consumption either.
    Topping up the tank doesn't suck the gasoline back into the hose. Modern cars require premium gas, as stated in the manual.
    All the advice in this video is complete nonsense. Ask a car mechanic and you will hear the truth.

  • @CarmenGarcia-bu3so
    @CarmenGarcia-bu3so 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My car is 2017 when should I change the battery???

  • @KevinBrooks-en8ur
    @KevinBrooks-en8ur วันที่ผ่านมา

    Higher octane gas technically requires greater combustion rate to burn completely and efficiently. If your car doesn't have a high combustion (think turbo etc) engine, high octane gas will create more unburned carbon build up. Lower octane fuel burns better in 90%+ of automobiles.

  • @EleanorSurface
    @EleanorSurface 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You need to gap your plugs to the type of gas you use makes a big difference, willy

  • @jeffreysainio2572
    @jeffreysainio2572 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Even if the A/C is 100% efficient (which is impossible), energy must be expended to cool the air and (worse) precipitate out the water vapor at 586 calories/gram, leaving that puddle under your car when you park. A/C is hardly free.

  • @edamagna4764
    @edamagna4764 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I go to the pump fewer times with mid gas than regular gas,with that said my car burns gas more efficient with more premium gas..also you could feel the difference on driving performance of the engine.I really dont care what they say,hey whatever works for ya.

  • @666huntufireman2
    @666huntufireman2 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I only use cruise when i feel lazy and that's seldom. Still get 6.4lts/100kms, off cruise on.auto, 8.2lts around town.98oct, in my mk7 GTi golf.and its all original @250,000kms. Oil change every 5000kms/6mths, on Amzoil. So nah, I'll stick with my preferences....in 58 years of driving and working on my own cars.

  • @bilo194
    @bilo194 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I ALWAYS USE BP 93 AND I MEAN ALWAYS, I'VE BEEN OUT OF MY STATE WHERE I HAD TO USE OTHER BRAND LIKE GULF OR MOBIL AND TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, MY HIGHLANDER DOESN'T DRIVE THE SAME I CAN FEEL IT ,I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S JUST IN MY HEAD OR ITS REAL..

  • @davemi00
    @davemi00 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Premium Gas may have more detergents in it. Adding 30% to my tank, makes a difference in my 3.6L Pentastar engine. It may be time to change my Spark plugs.

    • @odiumpugnator472
      @odiumpugnator472 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No, "premium" does NOT have "more additives" to keep an engine good or cleaner.

    • @davemi00
      @davemi00 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ Not according to Scotty ! And other sources.

    • @odiumpugnator472
      @odiumpugnator472 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@davemi00 Scotty Kilmer? He has some good information, but he also falls into some ridiculous beliefs, and because he's all over YT people think everything he says is gospel truth. If he says that "premium" gas has "More additives" than the same brands regular and mid-grade, then he's fallen for the same long told BS, and is just repeating it.
      Higher octane gas is simple more resistant to "knock" events in the engine. Why is that important?
      In engines that have higher compression, advanced timing, and overall higher levels of tune, higher octane gas is needed, because of its ability to resist knock or auto ignition before the timed spark. "Tuned" engines from every decade have always needed that type of gasoline, gas that has a higher resistance to knock.
      Again, NO, higher octane does NOT burn "colder", it simply resists igniting at higher temps due to higher compression.
      Example. That higher compression is seen in turbo charged engines, as air is forced into the cylinders well above standard atmosphere.
      That forced charge of air greatly increases the compression inside a cylinder. By having higher octane gas, the air-fuel mixture can better hold off knock, auto ignition.
      A higher compression and/or turbo or supercharged engine can run on regular lower octane, however, in high load conditions the higher load will cause more knock events, which the engine's computer will sense and thus retard timing to bring the knock events under control. When the computer does that engine power is also reduced.
      Fuel grades exist for a reason, and those reasons are well known to engine designers, tuners, and gas/fuel engineers.
      What most people believe as true is solidly based on the marketing they have heard over the decades.
      Trying to sell the more expensive octane grade to customers who can't, and won't benefit from it only serves the gas companies, by way of their marketing.

    • @davemi00
      @davemi00 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ You got me to dig deep on this. You are correct. About Scotty too. That I knew, he’s big on Click Bait. Thanks.

    • @odiumpugnator472
      @odiumpugnator472 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@davemi00 It's all good. Long ago I too heard and was told many similar things. Then, I got into automotive tech, engineering, and loved to work on my cars and motorcycles.
      That lead me to look deeper and into more backed information.
      Keep up the curiosity! Some say curiosity killed the cat, but we aren't cats, we have opposable thumbs and can do stuff with them. :)

  • @EVH3730
    @EVH3730 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Only Shell has been proven through testing by the Motor Oil Geek to actually clean your cylinders.

    • @teddymuscio7419
      @teddymuscio7419 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      But i notice shell it burns faster and i get bad gas mileage

  • @IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII-q1b
    @IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII-q1b 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    This information is not about gas, it's about household bleach. I use to delivery bleach. I would go to the refinery and watch them make the bleach. Same batch, from the same tank. Clorox would have an order for X amount of units. When that was filled, the next one would be a no name brand. The only thing that the refinery would do, is change the bottles and labels on the machine. The bleach was coming from the same batch and tank as the Clorox order, but only thing that you are buying is the name brand.

  • @johnruetz3849
    @johnruetz3849 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Looks like it was mostly filmed in Ontario, Canada .

  • @russkehler8639
    @russkehler8639 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Running your tank low on fuel doesn't harm the engine but it does cause the fuel pump to heat up because it's not submerged in fuel which keeps it cool. This WILL cause premature fuel pump failure sooner in warmer weather than cooler weather. HEAT KILLS! This is obvious even to a backyard mechanic like myself. Always have a MINIMUM of an 1/8th of a tank to avoid getting into a habit of running the tank down to E. And ALWAYS be critical of gurus trying to dispel myths. FYI higher octane has better fuel mileage than lower and ethanol is a cleaner only and hence has no mileage value whatsoever. I've done the math on this for 30 years!

  • @edwardroche2480
    @edwardroche2480 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    If it cost the refinery even a penny more on a gallon of fuel to increase mileage they would not put an additive into it. They're in business to make money and the more gas you burn the more money they make. Since all the gas comes from the same Refinery would not give any gas station any advantage.

  • @wmp3346
    @wmp3346 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Most people brake way to much, cruise control allows you to limit speeding and avoid tickets

  • @vikingsjas1911
    @vikingsjas1911 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not true about had bring the same... My friend filled up at Thornton's and car stopped... Dealer checked the fuel... Extremely dirty and called the government to investigate....

  • @mchenrynick
    @mchenrynick 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    6:22 Damn, where's gas at 1.559/gal??? That gas station would be backed up with a long line of cars waiting to fuel there!

  • @patriciayohn6136
    @patriciayohn6136 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The ONE THING YOU SHOULD NEVER DO IS STOP FOR GAS AT A STATION WHERE THE TANKER IS FILLING THE TANKS. WHEN THE TANKER IS FILLING THE TANKS IT SWIRLS THE SLUDGE IN THE BOTTOM OF THE TANKS AND YOU DON’T WANT THE SLUDGE IN YOUR GAS TANK!!!

  • @mattcatlover333
    @mattcatlover333 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Screw Evs

  • @dillonsexton1602
    @dillonsexton1602 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    This is the most un accurate video I've seen in a long time

  • @joshnichols-qp6ex
    @joshnichols-qp6ex วันที่ผ่านมา

    One I don’t believe that 91 octane fuel is a myth because I have done it for years and I have saved on fuel especially it burns cleaner two when you’re fuel is at quarter of a tank if allow it go below that it puts pressure on the fuel pump I have talked to mechanics as well and seen that happen it puts air in the system and eventually you have to replace the fuel pump and also it depends how much you drive also depends on how hard braking you do and hard accelerating you do if you start accelerating slowly you can improve your fuel mileage I can get about almost two and half weeks out of one tank and I have a Nissan pathfinder it is a v6 engine

  • @josephsonnier3594
    @josephsonnier3594 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Genius , everyone knows roll windows up when on highway , the wind noise n pressure on ears cause a person to roll up window ( s ) . Drive smart not hard & never top off your guarantee to damage vehicle

  • @cpa28761
    @cpa28761 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It seems that owners manuals recommend top tier gasoline. If that's not enough, there's my friend who had to have his car's clogged fuel injectors cleaned as a consequence of using no-name gas.

  • @lindsayjohnston7465
    @lindsayjohnston7465 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I used to use premium and get better mileage than on regular

  • @spiet7380
    @spiet7380 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I blew my fuel pump in my brand new Toyota tundra a few years back running the tank empty. That cost me over 2,500 bucks to replace at the dealership.

    • @jimeikner6597
      @jimeikner6597 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thats not a "low Fuel" light, it's a !DON,T BURN UP YOUR PUMP! light as it uses fuel to cool it, much like SpaceX's Rocket engines!

  • @CommonPerson0
    @CommonPerson0 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Been running regular gas don't matter of the gas station. My car still running strong. Just keep with maintenance. Notice something not right fix it

  • @kevinheneghan74
    @kevinheneghan74 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Make premium fuel affordable again $1.00 off. Make a all fuel prices affordable again in United States. $2.50 $2.60 $2.70 per gallon for all gas stations I want this ways for good. Not on 50-50 on gas pump no more high fuel prices this year.

  • @davemi00
    @davemi00 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A/C used in stop & go city traffic will definitely ruin gas mileage.

    • @carlsmith4767
      @carlsmith4767 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No matter what you're driving, simple physic it's called drag.

    • @davemi00
      @davemi00 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@carlsmith4767 I’ve always realized, down shifting & braking, is wasting kinetic energy.

  • @PaulJacob-y2x
    @PaulJacob-y2x 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    follow the owners manual....using higher grade gas can in some motors cause damage ..making ANY modifications will VOID many auto manufactures warranties.

    • @rogerdodrill4733
      @rogerdodrill4733 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Never heard of premium gas having any downside except cost

  • @mjsmith8641
    @mjsmith8641 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I got these dumbass dudes I know,one from Harlem that I have been trying to tell number 6 to for years but their dumbasses swear they know it all and they keep putting 91 octane in their vehicles even though their vehicles can run off of 87. Hey,some people you just can't help. Let them keep spending their money they don't have lol

    • @carcareclues
      @carcareclues  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Bruh, you can’t save folks who think premium fuel adds horsepower to their personality! 😂 Let them keep ‘treating’ their cars while their wallets go on a diet. Some people gotta learn the hard way-and by 'hard way,' I mean unnecessarily expensive way. You did your part, now just sit back and enjoy the show.

  • @dorthaclevenger6888
    @dorthaclevenger6888 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    MY CAR WAS ACTING UP AND I TOOK IT TO A REPAIR MAN,, HE CHECK IT OUT,, AND TOLD ME IT WAS FROM USING ETHANOL GAS,, CAUSED OIL IN ENGINE,, I TOLD HIM I NEVER PUT ETHANOL IN MY CAR SINCE I OWN IT,, AND I BOUGHT IT NEW,, PEOPLE ARE NOT HONEST LIKE THEY USED TO BE,, PEOPLE USED TO CARE MORE THAN WHAT THEY DO NOW,, ALL THEY CARE ABOUT NOW,, IS MAKE MONEY OFF OF YOU,, I PRAY THIS WILL CHANGE,,

  • @timothytibbits7942
    @timothytibbits7942 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I keep hoping for the chance to prove I can get better gas mileage with a stick. People have gotten worse and worse at driving sticks. Yes, automatics are better than they used to be. Drivers are worse.

  • @steveTGO
    @steveTGO 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No sir, the gasoline that you choose DOES make a significant LONG TERM difference. The gasoline DOES come from the same refineries TRUE, however, the proprietary additive blends like STP from Marathon and invigerate from BP DO keep the spark plugs cleaner and the automobile running smoother, which, in turn compounds the system running cleaner and more efficiently!!!
    Also, you should NEVER fill your gas tank to the very top in modern vehicles, the system recovers the gasoline fumes and uses them to add to the mileage. When you overfill your tank, you damage the evap canister and over time make it makes fueling up very difficult because the system keeps thinking the tank is full and the car eventually will NOT start!!!

  • @DTSTANGO
    @DTSTANGO 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    #5 I've been dense..... 😢

    • @carcareclues
      @carcareclues  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey, don’t sweat it-we’ve all been there. The important thing is you’re no longer feeding into the myth

  • @michellegutierrez7596
    @michellegutierrez7596 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Don't agree!! The 93 Octane gas makes a Hugh difference in the way any car runs!! All my cats won't run as well without the 93!!

  • @lanlam9959
    @lanlam9959 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It takes 2 years to convince her with my final idea of how you can tell the difference of fuels.just fill up your empty gas tank with 10 gallons of different fuel every time and watch your odometer goes! VERY SIMPLE RIGHT??

  • @gmeast
    @gmeast 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    at 17:05 ... but I thought you said ' ... all gasolines meet the same quality standards ...'.

  • @mrcleanisin
    @mrcleanisin ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    What does modern AC mean? My car is 2001, is it modern? I use the AC for comfort even thou it burns more gas, that's common sense.

  • @willieb58
    @willieb58 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I disagree with #3. I always try to rum name brand premium in my HD motorcycles. Sometimes if out on a ride you are forced to fill at a Casey's and my bikes and I have always noticed the differencr. Cheap gas IS crap.

  • @DavidKomar-s4b
    @DavidKomar-s4b 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    WHAT ? My 2018 Chevy Sonic 1.4 turbo.. runs better on premium due to pre-ignition.. also, the ac makes matters worse by adding heat to the engine, making my electric fan turn on.😐

  • @mel2671
    @mel2671 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    you say all gas is the same and a little later you say using quality gas for maintenance ... which is it? all gas is the same or is there a quality gas out there that one can buy ?

  • @phoenixrising7623
    @phoenixrising7623 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I agree with everything you said and anybody says otherwise blowing smoke up their own behind, the dumb environmental's who pushed the car companys to come up with off and on engine on today's new cars not only is Annoying It's useless

  • @waterkoppie
    @waterkoppie 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "modern engines"......... I already heard that 50 years ago