It’s crazy how much Jonatan helps me get grounded. Sometimes it feels like I’m a chicken with my head cut off preoccupied with fallen things and then he drops a gem like this and get my gaze back on Christ. Hope everyone is having a good lent☦️
Yay cant wait for this. For me It’s been so unbearably stressful and felt like we’re in the end of times the last decade. I’m so grateful for people like Jonathan and Jordan Peterson who give real advice for real problems. Returning to the Orthodox Church this year has only improved my life as well and I’m so happy to see more people are becoming Orthodox.
I don't understand what some people see in Jordan Peterson. Yes, he's a great jumping board and part of the "pipeline" leading people back to religion, but some of his positions are anything but commendable. You phrase it like he is a big influence for you up to this very day, and I'd be a bit careful about that.
@@candanielI don’t understand Jordan haters. I find it to be a holier than thou move. If the church is a tapestry, I would say Jordan is on the fringes like in Jonathan’s explanation of this symbolism.
I have been building my “Ark” now since 2021. On my 3rd season growing food in my garden. Focusing on learning skills to survive and developing a local community and network. It helps me feel hopeful.
The final book in the Narnia Chronicles comes to mind. The world folds into the barn and unfolds out to the new world. The people who come into the barn are the seeds for the new world.
The first book chronologically, The Magician’s Nephew, came to MY mind! :) Certain things were seeded into the new Narnian world immediately: human royalty, animals and trees and plants, the protective tree, and of course, the evil witch.
We assume that what we have is ours, but every good thing comes from God, and in that sense, we are stewards. By leveraging what we have for the good of others, we bring about love for ourselves and God whom we image and represent.
I’ve just been wrestling with my desire to protect my energy and attending to the needs of my children. Hearing this message clarifies how my actions today will seed into the next life and I can use this parable to quiet my mind when it yells at me! Ha
My heart hears your heart and I think we don’t realize that what we are doing as parents is kingdom work. There is no greater work. The fact that society does not value it and tells us lies that we could be doing much more important things with our time is an indication of the state of our society. Hugs to you, we are in this together!
Similar way here. Currently raising a 1 year old boy as a stay at home mum, while struggling with my internal demons and in a precarious financial situation. But knowing deep within that this is the correct pathway and God will provide with what is necessary for my family. I can feel your struggle and send you my best wishes
While reading to my son, I suddenly came to and realized the tender quietude we had enjoyed could end at any moment. It was like I had been asleep in the dream of bedtime stories. This was an unpleasant feeling. The tenderness we had enjoyed could soon pass away. But I realized, in part due to chewing on the topic of this video, that in the ending of this one little world, there was opportunity. I also saw gratitude for the tenderness, and I savored it more while it continued. But I became awake, and looked about me. And when he turned to me and asked me a question about the book, I was completely there. I caught it like I had been waiting for it all day. I’m not sure if I carried something forward from that little world, but I certainly knew how to navigate its ending.
NO WAY!!!!!🎉🎉 Bishop Barron and Konstantin Kisin and John Vervaeke added to the JBP round table!! That Table is the greatest collection of wise minds and clarity on the internet - and all my favs in one place! CANNOT WAIT!!! We who follow your discussions around the Table and each of your independent works value all the incredible insights into Reality and the future of our crumbling civilization that you each bring, and we are excited to be a part of the emerging vision of the way forward into the new world.
@@jeffpickens4467 me neither, but I love it! Will be interesting to find out why JBP thought he was a suitable edition. Maybe they needed a thoughtful agnostic?
We have to stay on His path. Even if this means we have to keep distance from our beloved ones (children, parents ). We need to save our souls enev if this means that we have to suffer. May God gives us strength to endure the pain.
Here's another, and perhaps more powerful way to understand this: Jesus reminds us that ultimately everything is from God and belongs to God. We've got nothing "ours" to give away. And He reveals that us using what belongs to the Master in the way described in the parable is pleasing to Him.
@@jonorcutt3304 on the other hand they used these golden ornaments and rings and stuff to make the golden calf, so you could also argue that if you transition into a new world, don't bring old baggage with you :D
I never expected to hear Konstantin Kisin working on this project! Thank you Jonathon for your insights, it is a difficult passage but it is crucial at this time.
Why Jonathan, you’re saying what Jim Elliott was saying: “He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Or as the Puritans would have said, “We live in view of Eternity.” And as Sarah Orne Jewett wrote, in the voice of a wise old country doctor, “We’ve got to live in this world, and for the next one.” That’s laying up treasure in Heaven, I believe. I’m unspeakably delighted that the Gospel seminar was a wild success. I prayed earnestly that it might be. I can’t wait to meet you in Boston, dear Jonathan. I’m coming to see Dr. Peterson speak and bringing a friend and I’m so eager. The times are such that my heart needs this. With love from Ruth Anne
Thank you for finding such enlightening ideas in such obscure and hard-to-understand metaphors！ Your interpretation amazed me, and I look forward to seeing more like it.
I understood the parabole differently: I thougth the manager took out his own profit out of the bussines (his cut) in order to compensate his master. At the same time, being just he also made friends with other clients, so even if his master did not forgive him, he could get a job with a friend. More than being just, he was prepared to suffer unjustly under his master, he was prepared for the worst.
As usual, Jonathan sees what others have not. An excellent explanation. My 2 cents, before this explanation, was that the parable was Jesus showing His followers how to operate in this world. When it comes to my neighbor, I strive to be scrupulous - the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule. However, governments and corporations and those enforcers who are part of such bureaucratic systems are not my neighbor and are often my enemy. I owe them no quarter. Romans 13 is pertinent only as the system conforms to the laws of God and has been misunderstood by too many.
This is also present in the story of the six Days of Creation and the now era we are in, ..Which is the seventh day where God is resting from creating things. Historically it lines up good with the archaeological record where each era had a die off that led to the growth of a new thing.
This is basically the story of the Fall of Constantinople (or the end of the Middle Ages) and the beginning of the Renaissance (later to devolve into the Enlightenment w/o the right hemispheric Orthodoxy) because of all of the classical texts and scholars that made their way to broader Europe after
Hello, @JonathanPageau. Have you given any thought, in this context, to the fact that when Joseph got into Pharaoh's court, and also Daniel and his friends when they were accepted into the Babylonian seats of power, they received training in Pagan knowledge and were among the wisest and the most successful people in their respective empires, and yet that knowledge did not corrupt their unshakeable faithfulness to God? I was never able to relate these accounts to the Parable of the Unjust Steward, but once you've drawn the connection to Rahab, I myself started to wonder whether these accounts also relate to it as well, since they are using knowledge and connections to the Pagan, secular worldviews of their times to advance the Knigdom of God without actually tainting it. Following this train of thought it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to view the episode of St. Paul's ministry in Athens when he uses the "Idol of the unknown god" to persuade the Athenians to open their minds to the Gospel of Christ he was preaching as another example of that shrewdness. Or the historic episodes of the Catholic Church appropriating iconography and customs of Pagan societies that were already similar to the point the Gospels strived to make, without necessarily tainting the original message or the fidelity to God and His Message. Hmmm. I would really like to hear your thoughts on this...
You just described the work done by the Tlaxcallans and La Malinche in the history of the Conquest of Prehispanic Mexico by the Spaniards. They "betrayed" their world, yet they were the seeds for the new world that was being born. Tlaxcallans ended colonizing the whole territory of nowadays Mexico and even some places in what is now the USA and Peru, the whole continent became theirs. While La Malinche ended giving birth to the sons of Cortés, a new Mestizo race from which Mexican Identity would be born.
Thank you Jonathan. It was somewhat useful…however you did not elaborate on the end. "You cannot serve GOD and Mammon." I think this takes that parable, its seediness and ends in a BOLD & PROFOUND eclamation point!
I hope very much you do a longer video to articulate your insights into the parable of the unjust steward. You've described the challenge I face in understanding that parable, but I'm not catching what you're throwing in terms of understanding what it's telling us. It still seems like he's getting praised for spinning up a kickback scheme upon being sacked.
"And now I will show you the most excellent way ... These three things will remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love." Job thought his righteousness would save him from suffering. In righteousness, Jesus made himself nothing and suffered. We are to give to God what is God's, and Paul says, "For whose sake I have lost all things." "There is no fear in love." The abundant life that one is looking for is not a continuous completion of your own desires, but God's, Who is good, and Whose thoughts are good. "Dear children, keep yourselves from idols." When you humble yourself like Jesus did, when you love each other as Jesus did, "To live is Christ and to die is gain."
Could you tell us, Jonathan, when the new powerhouse series will be released? Can't wait! Thank you for sharing the fruits of your insightful work with us! I love symbolism... and you are a master at it!
There is some meaning lost in translation of the parable, please consult more translations, it's much more insightful and adds more to what Jonathan Pageau said.
Important to remember that it is: 1st. The formal accounting of and then, 2nd. The formal forfeiture of or sacrificial offering. The anti-christ will attempt to mimic this by skipping the 2nd part, or maintaining what has been accounted for in the first part.
Jonathan, I admire your work… You’re doing a great job, to be honest. The work that you were doing resonates a lot with what I'm trying to do., which is helping people and showing the incredible energy of the holy spirit. Is there any way you can direct me through the sacred movement you were saying at Ralston College? Timestamp 56:36. I would love to be part of it.
Jonathan, Romans 6 struck me this past Easter and was reminded of being baptized into Jesus’s death on the Holy Cross and our New Man rising with him. No disrespect, but your talk made me recall this and may suggest that as a more powerful (and personal) example of what you are pointing to-Any thoughts here?
Speaking of the end of a world and Jordan Peterson, Peterson is in for a big surprise when he discovers that the Zionism he’s sworn his devotion to is a major sign not of the world to come, but of the world that’s going to fall away, and take with it all who’ve pledged their loyalty to it.
Confusing in the way that R Rohr is. For better or worse, I have to think simply or, for me, everything just crumbles in on itself. I have to suppose that Christ is not just for the intellectually astute- not just for those who have the luxury, time - strength - to unravel complex ideas.
I agree with the interpretation, but the steward is ascetically relinquishing his share instead of overcharging the debtors. You forgot that the debtors don't control their debt (the strong set the terms).
The bad steward parable where he writes down all his bosses debts before getting sacked, then gets praised for it has always puzzled me as well. I enjoyed watching someone else try to unpack it, but I'm not sure you really have. End of the day, he's getting praised for a kickback scheme. I hope you do a longer video on it, because I couldn't catch what you were throwing here.
Perhaps this is also why the bible says the last will be first and first will be last. More of that shifting into the new order where those who seeded the next are best postioned to be the first in that new world.
My mum did a painting of Rayhab holding a red tassel, she always thought the red thread was in some way related to blood, a bit like the blood covering on the doors in Egypt, I’m not sure but I’d like to know what anyone thinks
A beautiful unfolding of patterns as usual but in this instance it seems to be a very convoluted way of avoiding the straightforward reality of forgiveness and almsgiving in our stewardship of material goods which are not our own. Although cosmic/fractal layers are there to always further uncover from the words of the Word himself, let's not lose sight of the very simple and practical way of being that Christ offers us to our salvation.
Crazy syncronicity. I just heard this story and was trying to understand it. I had the same problem as Jonathan as it seem to go in opposited direction as all the other teaching of the bible, to be honest, to stay true, etc.
It makes a lot more sense to me to think that the same as the steward, we don't give from what is ours. In the end, everything is God-given. So we'd better hurry up and share as much as we can from what was given to us with those who dont have much. Also, if you consider a woman forced into prostitution let's say. If while working she gives money away to the poor, perhaps some of her sins will be erased too, especially if she does it with kind heart and doesnt think about it transcactionally. I agree with what I read about this parable that Christ doesnt condone the moral wrong of giving away from someone else's fortune, but rather appreciates that even a morally gray person can do the right thing with his machiavellism.
Here's another, and perhaps more powerful way to understand this: Jesus reminds us that ultimately everything is from God and belongs to God. We've got nothing "ours" to give away. And He reveals that us using what belongs to the Master in the way described in the parable is pleasing to Him.
True, we spread God's grace and forgiveness through our prayers, thus erasing other people's debts, we are stewards of grace. Abraham interceded for Sodom and almost cleared their debt. Moses interceded constantly for the people due to their mistakes, and often appeased God, thus clearing their debts. That parable where the king pardons the huge debt to one man but then he demands a friend to pay him his small debt would be the opposite of this parable. Someone who having received the grace of pardon, doesnt pardon others.
I think that smuggling Paul from Damascus over the wall in a basket echoes the story of Rahab in Jericho. Paul was a traitor par-excellance too from the Jewish viewpoint. There is time to seed the word and a different time to seed the blood which one has to discern with the help of the Spirit.
really appreciated this perspective on an often confusing parable..I feel like it is similar in the modern world of how an artist might receive grants or money or a job opportunity from a big company that is connected to corruption and harm of the planet and people, and then they utilize that money from those opportunities to build their art and community and use the money in a way of LOVE. Am I getting that right? anyway, just a thought..I tend, as an artist to steer clear of "blood money" but know many artist who take this path and do great things with the money they earn.
I thought that the "manager" there the Lord was talking about a priest. When feeling like he is failing, a priest goes and doubles down on his work, forgiving and helping people even more . And the unusual form of the parable? I was under the impression that, for some, it's easier to understand the Salvation as an exam, and the goal is to make the cut. And, even if you cheat your way in somehow :) that's worth it :) God would only appreciate that if such an approach would allow you to put more effort. The more you understand Love, the less important "Fairness" becomes to you.
Pageau is making all of this up as he goes. I frankly do not understand his celebrity. Converts to Orthodoxy are particularly enamored with his silliness.
Be careful with what this modern world thinks of as virtuous. That's where the social scientists come in posing as the orderly priestly caste tell you to give them all your money because the sea level will rise and swallow them up.
Thank you very much. I think this was excellent. Because it’s just logical that if there is another world coming after this, we need to assimilate ourselves a little into it a bit don’t we? Into what might come? People might think that there is nothing coming, but maybe it would be a good idea to consider possibility. If we were going to move to another country, we might want to get information about that country and learn your language. Don’t you think? I love this I think it’s really great for having people think about heaven and dying, don’t you? wonderful!
I very much liked the link to Rahab seeding into the new world. In gaining wealth two other OT stories, first the Hebrews leaving Egypt with much wealth that was not theirs, and Abram also going to Egypt using the Sarai deception, then coming out with more wealth than when Abram went in. What do you think Jonathan?
It is a continuation of The Exodus seminar. It's recorded and then released in the same manner as the previous seminar. I believe he mentioned it at The Summit if I recall.
Catholic here. But I love listening to Jonathan and Fr Spyridon 🙏
Do you understand now what Pope Francis call to "go out to the peripheries" meant and how important that call is?
😑... 🤐
It’s crazy how much Jonatan helps me get grounded. Sometimes it feels like I’m a chicken with my head cut off preoccupied with fallen things and then he drops a gem like this and get my gaze back on Christ.
Hope everyone is having a good lent☦️
Yay cant wait for this. For me It’s been so unbearably stressful and felt like we’re in the end of times the last decade. I’m so grateful for people like Jonathan and Jordan Peterson who give real advice for real problems. Returning to the Orthodox Church this year has only improved my life as well and I’m so happy to see more people are becoming Orthodox.
Same same same me too!! First year in the Orthodox Church !
@@PrayersfromtheRedwoodForest ❤️❤️❤️!!!
I feel exactly the same way. I’ve been watching Jonathan to learn more about the Orthodox Church because I think I might find a spiritual home there.
I don't understand what some people see in Jordan Peterson. Yes, he's a great jumping board and part of the "pipeline" leading people back to religion, but some of his positions are anything but commendable. You phrase it like he is a big influence for you up to this very day, and I'd be a bit careful about that.
@@candanielI don’t understand Jordan haters. I find it to be a holier than thou move. If the church is a tapestry, I would say Jordan is on the fringes like in Jonathan’s explanation of this symbolism.
I have been building my “Ark” now since 2021. On my 3rd season growing food in my garden. Focusing on learning skills to survive and developing a local community and network. It helps me feel hopeful.
Worldly arks only suffice in floods that are worldly
Also that's awesome good on you. Seriously
The final book in the Narnia Chronicles comes to mind. The world folds into the barn and unfolds out to the new world. The people who come into the barn are the seeds for the new world.
The first book chronologically, The Magician’s Nephew, came to MY mind! :) Certain things were seeded into the new Narnian world immediately: human royalty, animals and trees and plants, the protective tree, and of course, the evil witch.
Red thread redemption
We assume that what we have is ours, but every good thing comes from God, and in that sense, we are stewards. By leveraging what we have for the good of others, we bring about love for ourselves and God whom we image and represent.
I’ve just been wrestling with my desire to protect my energy and attending to the needs of my children. Hearing this message clarifies how my actions today will seed into the next life and I can use this parable to quiet my mind when it yells at me! Ha
My heart hears your heart and I think we don’t realize that what we are doing as parents is kingdom work. There is no greater work. The fact that society does not value it and tells us lies that we could be doing much more important things with our time is an indication of the state of our society. Hugs to you, we are in this together!
@@AFringedGentianthanks so much for your kind words.
My heart smiled when I read your comment; may God bless your path forward
Similar way here. Currently raising a 1 year old boy as a stay at home mum, while struggling with my internal demons and in a precarious financial situation. But knowing deep within that this is the correct pathway and God will provide with what is necessary for my family.
I can feel your struggle and send you my best wishes
While reading to my son, I suddenly came to and realized the tender quietude we had enjoyed could end at any moment. It was like I had been asleep in the dream of bedtime stories. This was an unpleasant feeling. The tenderness we had enjoyed could soon pass away. But I realized, in part due to chewing on the topic of this video, that in the ending of this one little world, there was opportunity. I also saw gratitude for the tenderness, and I savored it more while it continued. But I became awake, and looked about me. And when he turned to me and asked me a question about the book, I was completely there. I caught it like I had been waiting for it all day. I’m not sure if I carried something forward from that little world, but I certainly knew how to navigate its ending.
Harmless as a dove and cunning as a serpent.
What a provoking parable. Interesting insight. Thank you, Jonathan.
NO WAY!!!!!🎉🎉 Bishop Barron and Konstantin Kisin and John Vervaeke added to the JBP round table!! That Table is the greatest collection of wise minds and clarity on the internet - and all my favs in one place! CANNOT WAIT!!! We who follow your discussions around the Table and each of your independent works value all the incredible insights into Reality and the future of our crumbling civilization that you each bring, and we are excited to be a part of the emerging vision of the way forward into the new world.
Why was konstantin kissin there? That addition I don't get
The greatest of all is not there.................Iain McGilchrist
@@jeffpickens4467 me neither, but I love it! Will be interesting to find out why JBP thought he was a suitable edition. Maybe they needed a thoughtful agnostic?
Dr Iain McGilchrist is the most qualified person to speak on the SACRED.
@@MrEnniscorthy defs agree
In our end is our beginning.
Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end 🎶
The fluidity, creative and destructive power of wisdom
This reminds me of Fr.Stephen’s summit talk. If all you seeded was an onion chances are that isn’t enough for your identity to persist.
Wow, this was… prescient. Praying for a swift peace in the Middle East.
We have to stay on His path. Even if this means we have to keep distance from our beloved ones (children, parents ). We need to save our souls enev if this means that we have to suffer. May God gives us strength to endure the pain.
I suppose the pillaging of Egypt before the Exodus would be another example.
Here's another, and perhaps more powerful way to understand this: Jesus reminds us that ultimately everything is from God and belongs to God. We've got nothing "ours" to give away.
And He reveals that us using what belongs to the Master in the way described in the parable is pleasing to Him.
They didn’t really pillage. The Egyptians gave them things and money. But yeah sounds like a connection there
@@jonorcutt3304 on the other hand they used these golden ornaments and rings and stuff to make the golden calf, so you could also argue that if you transition into a new world, don't bring old baggage with you :D
Orientation is so important when deciding what to do.
I never expected to hear Konstantin Kisin working on this project!
Thank you Jonathon for your insights, it is a difficult passage but it is crucial at this time.
Why Jonathan, you’re saying what Jim Elliott was saying: “He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Or as the Puritans would have said, “We live in view of Eternity.” And as Sarah Orne Jewett wrote, in the voice of a wise old country doctor, “We’ve got to live in this world, and for the next one.” That’s laying up treasure in Heaven, I believe.
I’m unspeakably delighted that the Gospel seminar was a wild success. I prayed earnestly that it might be.
I can’t wait to meet you in Boston, dear Jonathan. I’m coming to see Dr. Peterson speak and bringing a friend and I’m so eager. The times are such that my heart needs this.
With love from
Ruth Anne
Thank you for clarifying so intelligently this confusing parable.
Thank you for finding such enlightening ideas in such obscure and hard-to-understand metaphors！ Your interpretation amazed me, and I look forward to seeing more like it.
I understood the parabole differently: I thougth the manager took out his own profit out of the bussines (his cut) in order to compensate his master. At the same time, being just he also made friends with other clients, so even if his master did not forgive him, he could get a job with a friend. More than being just, he was prepared to suffer unjustly under his master, he was prepared for the worst.
Man Dante’s Inferno is going to be very interesting. Thank you Johnathan. Channel’s awesome
Matthew 10:16 - "Be ye therefore, wise as serpents and harmless as doves."
Thats crazy, I just read this parable yesterday and was trying to understand what it meant. Thank you as always Jonathan!
The end really helped my understanding. Thank you! ☦️
Beautiful! ❤ Thank you, sir!
Your translation gives us more hope in this world towards end. Thank you, and God Lord bless you☦️🙏
More parables!
Wonderful Jonathan!
can't wait for the full episode.
uncannily relevant. exactly what i needed to hear today. thank you, jonathan (as always).
I've been struggling to understand this parable as well. Jonathan's explanation seems to be the best interpretation of the parable so far. Thanks
As usual, Jonathan sees what others have not. An excellent explanation. My 2 cents, before this explanation, was that the parable was Jesus showing His followers how to operate in this world. When it comes to my neighbor, I strive to be scrupulous - the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule. However, governments and corporations and those enforcers who are part of such bureaucratic systems are not my neighbor and are often my enemy. I owe them no quarter. Romans 13 is pertinent only as the system conforms to the laws of God and has been misunderstood by too many.
This is also present in the story of the six Days of Creation and the now era we are in, ..Which is the seventh day where God is resting from creating things.
Historically it lines up good with the archaeological record where each era had a die off that led to the growth of a new thing.
Its the same as doing good works on earth and storing up treasures in heaven.
This world will end but the Word of God stands forever.
Yesi agree with that..the seeding ...
Love the conclusion, executed perfectly
🎶every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end🎶
Its just like saturday starts in friday , and the material world can be used to help our spirtuality if used correctly
I'm the 1000th like :) thanks Jonathan
Those who would save their life will lose it.
Thank you.
Greed is the currency of Mammom. It is wise to never want to lose in this world, but it is unwise for what's coming.
Make friends with your enemy before he takes you to court and takes everything from you.
Thanks
This is basically the story of the Fall of Constantinople (or the end of the Middle Ages) and the beginning of the Renaissance (later to devolve into the Enlightenment w/o the right hemispheric Orthodoxy) because of all of the classical texts and scholars that made their way to broader Europe after
so helpful🙏❤
Hello, @JonathanPageau. Have you given any thought, in this context, to the fact that when Joseph got into Pharaoh's court, and also Daniel and his friends when they were accepted into the Babylonian seats of power, they received training in Pagan knowledge and were among the wisest and the most successful people in their respective empires, and yet that knowledge did not corrupt their unshakeable faithfulness to God? I was never able to relate these accounts to the Parable of the Unjust Steward, but once you've drawn the connection to Rahab, I myself started to wonder whether these accounts also relate to it as well, since they are using knowledge and connections to the Pagan, secular worldviews of their times to advance the Knigdom of God without actually tainting it. Following this train of thought it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to view the episode of St. Paul's ministry in Athens when he uses the "Idol of the unknown god" to persuade the Athenians to open their minds to the Gospel of Christ he was preaching as another example of that shrewdness. Or the historic episodes of the Catholic Church appropriating iconography and customs of Pagan societies that were already similar to the point the Gospels strived to make, without necessarily tainting the original message or the fidelity to God and His Message. Hmmm. I would really like to hear your thoughts on this...
You just described the work done by the Tlaxcallans and La Malinche in the history of the Conquest of Prehispanic Mexico by the Spaniards. They "betrayed" their world, yet they were the seeds for the new world that was being born. Tlaxcallans ended colonizing the whole territory of nowadays Mexico and even some places in what is now the USA and Peru, the whole continent became theirs. While La Malinche ended giving birth to the sons of Cortés, a new Mestizo race from which Mexican Identity would be born.
Thank you Jonathan. It was somewhat useful…however you did not elaborate on the end. "You cannot serve GOD and Mammon." I think this takes that parable, its seediness and ends in a BOLD & PROFOUND eclamation point!
I hope very much you do a longer video to articulate your insights into the parable of the unjust steward. You've described the challenge I face in understanding that parable, but I'm not catching what you're throwing in terms of understanding what it's telling us. It still seems like he's getting praised for spinning up a kickback scheme upon being sacked.
"And now I will show you the most excellent way ... These three things will remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love."
Job thought his righteousness would save him from suffering. In righteousness, Jesus made himself nothing and suffered. We are to give to God what is God's, and Paul says, "For whose sake I have lost all things."
"There is no fear in love." The abundant life that one is looking for is not a continuous completion of your own desires, but God's, Who is good, and Whose thoughts are good. "Dear children, keep yourselves from idols." When you humble yourself like Jesus did, when you love each other as Jesus did, "To live is Christ and to die is gain."
Could you tell us, Jonathan, when the new powerhouse series will be released? Can't wait! Thank you for sharing the fruits of your insightful work with us! I love symbolism... and you are a master at it!
There is some meaning lost in translation of the parable, please consult more translations, it's much more insightful and adds more to what Jonathan Pageau said.
Think Scarlet in Gone with the Wind
Important to remember that it is:
1st. The formal accounting of and then,
2nd. The formal forfeiture of or sacrificial offering.
The anti-christ will attempt to mimic this by skipping the 2nd part, or maintaining what has been accounted for in the first part.
Jonathan, I admire your work… You’re doing a great job, to be honest.
The work that you were doing resonates a lot with what I'm trying to do., which is helping people and showing the incredible energy of the holy spirit. Is there any way you can direct me through the sacred movement you were saying at Ralston College? Timestamp 56:36. I would love to be part of it.
Jonathan, Romans 6 struck me this past Easter and was reminded of being baptized into Jesus’s death on the Holy Cross and our New Man rising with him. No disrespect, but your talk made me recall this and may suggest that as a more powerful (and personal) example of what you are pointing to-Any thoughts here?
That's what we call 'a bit of a stretch'. More likely to be some bad copying of a bad copy or a mistranslation of a mistranslation.
Speaking of the end of a world and Jordan Peterson, Peterson is in for a big surprise when he discovers that the Zionism he’s sworn his devotion to is a major sign not of the world to come, but of the world that’s going to fall away, and take with it all who’ve pledged their loyalty to it.
Confusing in the way that R Rohr is. For better or worse, I have to think simply or, for me, everything just crumbles in on itself. I have to suppose that Christ is not just for the intellectually astute- not just for those who have the luxury, time - strength - to unravel complex ideas.
I agree with the interpretation, but the steward is ascetically relinquishing his share instead of overcharging the debtors. You forgot that the debtors don't control their debt (the strong set the terms).
Wouldn't it have been great of you consulted what the Church Fathers said about and how they interpreted the parable in Luke 16?
The bad steward parable where he writes down all his bosses debts before getting sacked, then gets praised for it has always puzzled me as well. I enjoyed watching someone else try to unpack it, but I'm not sure you really have. End of the day, he's getting praised for a kickback scheme. I hope you do a longer video on it, because I couldn't catch what you were throwing here.
If there's full controller support and good localization, I'm definitely interested.
Perhaps this is also why the bible says the last will be first and first will be last. More of that shifting into the new order where those who seeded the next are best postioned to be the first in that new world.
I read Jeremiah 17 earlier this morning and find some echoes of it in your interpretation here.
A lot of private-practice dentists are selling to DSOs (larger dental groups backed by private equity). I think there are some parallels.
My mum did a painting of Rayhab holding a red tassel, she always thought the red thread was in some way related to blood, a bit like the blood covering on the doors in Egypt, I’m not sure but I’d like to know what anyone thinks
A beautiful unfolding of patterns as usual but in this instance it seems to be a very convoluted way of avoiding the straightforward reality of forgiveness and almsgiving in our stewardship of material goods which are not our own. Although cosmic/fractal layers are there to always further uncover from the words of the Word himself, let's not lose sight of the very simple and practical way of being that Christ offers us to our salvation.
It would be helpful if you were to explain what is the problem with this parable. Your explanation is very good, regardless. Thank you.
when is gospel series coming
Crazy syncronicity. I just heard this story and was trying to understand it.
I had the same problem as Jonathan as it seem to go in opposited direction as all the other teaching of the bible, to be honest, to stay true, etc.
Like if you understand symbolism
I’m not sure but I think it’s related: Christ telling his disciples to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves
When is the next Universal History episode?
Next week
Wow! Great, I can listen to this on my way to Liturgy for Memorial Saturday service!
It makes a lot more sense to me to think that the same as the steward, we don't give from what is ours. In the end, everything is God-given. So we'd better hurry up and share as much as we can from what was given to us with those who dont have much.
Also, if you consider a woman forced into prostitution let's say. If while working she gives money away to the poor, perhaps some of her sins will be erased too, especially if she does it with kind heart and doesnt think about it transcactionally.
I agree with what I read about this parable that Christ doesnt condone the moral wrong of giving away from someone else's fortune, but rather appreciates that even a morally gray person can do the right thing with his machiavellism.
Taking my daily work to seed my spiritual life to seed my next life. Something like that?
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Here's another, and perhaps more powerful way to understand this: Jesus reminds us that ultimately everything is from God and belongs to God. We've got nothing "ours" to give away.
And He reveals that us using what belongs to the Master in the way described in the parable is pleasing to Him.
True, we spread God's grace and forgiveness through our prayers, thus erasing other people's debts, we are stewards of grace. Abraham interceded for Sodom and almost cleared their debt. Moses interceded constantly for the people due to their mistakes, and often appeased God, thus clearing their debts. That parable where the king pardons the huge debt to one man but then he demands a friend to pay him his small debt would be the opposite of this parable. Someone who having received the grace of pardon, doesnt pardon others.
In a way this is what it means to give your children an inheritance.
I think that smuggling Paul from Damascus over the wall in a basket echoes the story of Rahab in Jericho. Paul was a traitor par-excellance too from the Jewish viewpoint. There is time to seed the word and a different time to seed the blood which one has to discern with the help of the Spirit.
really appreciated this perspective on an often confusing parable..I feel like it is similar in the modern world of how an artist might receive grants or money or a job opportunity from a big company that is connected to corruption and harm of the planet and people, and then they utilize that money from those opportunities to build their art and community and use the money in a way of LOVE. Am I getting that right? anyway, just a thought..I tend, as an artist to steer clear of "blood money" but know many artist who take this path and do great things with the money they earn.
I thought that the "manager" there the Lord was talking about a priest. When feeling like he is failing, a priest goes and doubles down on his work, forgiving and helping people even more . And the unusual form of the parable? I was under the impression that, for some, it's easier to understand the Salvation as an exam, and the goal is to make the cut. And, even if you cheat your way in somehow :) that's worth it :) God would only appreciate that if such an approach would allow you to put more effort. The more you understand Love, the less important "Fairness" becomes to you.
Did Prager and Shapiro also participate this time in the Gospel Seminar?
Pageau is making all of this up as he goes. I frankly do not understand his celebrity. Converts to Orthodoxy are particularly enamored with his silliness.
If by that you mean he’s verbalizing his thoughts then yes, that’s exactly what he is doing.
@@catfood1161, he's a pseudo-intellectual, babbling hack, just like his friend, Jordan Peterson.
What’s the story with the woodblock print behind you?
In other words, stockpile books.
In todays times, the old world of valuing money / material is ending and opening up a new one that will sacrifice money for virtue...
Be careful with what this modern world thinks of as virtuous. That's where the social scientists come in posing as the orderly priestly caste tell you to give them all your money because the sea level will rise and swallow them up.
Thank you very much. I think this was excellent.
Because it’s just logical that if there is another world coming after this, we need to assimilate ourselves a little into it a bit don’t we?
Into what might come?
People might think that there is nothing coming, but maybe it would be a good idea to consider possibility.
If we were going to move to another country, we might want to get information about that country and learn your language.
Don’t you think?
I love this I think it’s really great for having people think about heaven and dying, don’t you?
wonderful!
Can anyone tell me how to find the entire seminar?
I very much liked the link to Rahab seeding into the new world. In gaining wealth two other OT stories, first the Hebrews leaving Egypt with much wealth that was not theirs, and Abram also going to Egypt using the Sarai deception, then coming out with more wealth than when Abram went in. What do you think Jonathan?
When will the gospel series be out kind sir?
What about the rest of the parable? Verses 9-16 are missing.
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Since when and where was it announced that Jordan started a seminar on the gospels?
It is a continuation of The Exodus seminar. It's recorded and then released in the same manner as the previous seminar. I believe he mentioned it at The Summit if I recall.
Isn't this also the story of St Thomas, who takes the wealth of the Indian ruler and gives it to the poor, to build him a palace in another world?