How to Misunderstand Masculinity - The Matrix & Fight Club
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- In this essay, I analyze the current trend of the "reject modernity, embrace masculinity" movement online, and examine how the religious undertones of The Matrix and Fight Club were inadvertently a catalyst for this phenomenon.
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I think its more of a critique on the mundane corporate lifestyle that has been esposed as ideal for decades. The 90s was where the pushback against this really took steam. These films embody that 90s spirit totally. Fight Club then seems to say be careful what you wish for replacing one cultish rigid system for another, as if men have no choice
That line of thinking seems more relevant than ever.
I think it's both and the critique works so much better imo when paired with the critique of masculinity (critique doesn't mean lambasting, it just means analyzing).
Masculinity as a concept gives a stable ground to alienated young men, alienated by the dehumanizing structures that govern us. It's hard to get a grasp of your identity when everything feels like a "copy of a copy", meanwhile masculinity can give an "a priori", true essence to a man, and thus he feels like he can become what he truly is supposed to be. This idea is radicalized to the extreme and that's where the neofascism of the Project Mayhem comes in, this given sense of purpose is first and foremost, unquestionable (first rule is do not ask questions). After all, if you could question their ideology, is it really even pure? Does it really show them their true essence as a man?
This is happening today right before our eyes, especially men as they cling on to masculinity as a sort of "last bastion" in retaining their sense of purpose.
Man, I thought the Matrix was about freeing one's mind from a society that enforces conformity under duress. I use the movie as a reference to discover individuality and retaining one's individual fire (freedoms) even in the face of danger or obscurity.
I'm still gonna make it mean that for me.
You're right. The matrix is definitely about individualism.
if you think about it, your interpretation of the movie aligns with how people with gender dysphoria feel in society as well. it’s the same underlying message! :0
@Camila Yeremin Yes, for sure. It's about being firsthanded and not allowing your values to be influenced or decided by others, the collective, group, society. That's Individualism vs. Collectivism.
The matrix in my mind is a metaphor for implanted worldviews and beliefs by one's culture that serve to imprison and bind one to it and only it.
That is what it's about, that's what makes it an allegory for the trans experience
Just my two cents: masculinity is good, having a mission in life is good, "embrace masculinity" videos are uplifting, violence specifically for the purpose of hurting people is bad, whatever.
Even combat sports? ☹️
@@StillSomeNigga I didn't specify what I meant as much as I should've and no, combat sports are not garbage.
embrace masculinity videos are racist, homophobic, stupid and biased. most of them praise war and meaningless violence, make fun of people who are fat or wear skirts but portray bodybuilders who are obviously on drugs as the ideal of Man.
"High testosterone levels can cause mood swings and irritability. This is because the hormone can affect the neurotransmitters in your brain, leading to sudden changes in mood, which can be difficult to manage."
Among women and modern feminist circles, they have virtued "tr*ns men" into female sports. This allows masculinity to compete with women.
If you question their view points or ideology, the first thing they do is become aggressive. Aggressiveness increases levels of testosterone.
Their biggest misconception is that women are "weak" or "feeble"... this is not true. However, with this viewpoint, they always try to emulate masculinity and masculine demeanor.
Even with the opposite spectrum of women, feminists, and tr*ans as an example. Everyone is embracing masculinity.
"High testosterone levels can cause mood swings and irritability. This is because the hormone can affect the neurotransmitters in your brain, leading to sudden changes in mood, which can be difficult to manage."
Among women and modern feminist circles, they have virtued "tr*ns men" into female sports. This allows masculinity to compete with women.
If you question their view points or ideology, the first thing they do is become aggressive. Aggressiveness increases levels of testosterone.
Their biggest misconception is that women are "weak" or "feeble"... this is not true. However, with this viewpoint, they always try to emulate masculinity and masculine demeanor.
I think you missed the point of "the system is our enemy" scene in The Matrix.
The point of the scene is not that society is evil and must be fought by any means necessary.
IMO, the scene showcases how due to the system being so all encompassing and due to society's hopeless dependence on the system, anyone who is part of society can be co-opted by the system into fighting to preserve it, even though the system works against the interests of society and all people in it.
The plot device of Agents being able to take over random people in the film, at any given time is a visual metaphor for the system's brutal mechanisms of self preservation.
Truf.
Perfectly put.
I think you are only looking at it from the humans perspective. The system is ultimately bad to morpheus and the other due to 2 variables: 1.) Freedom and 2.) Paying for the price of the “father”. He definitely does use the potential of agents being anyone to become anyone to excuse murdering them by saying “they potentially are our enemies anyway.” It’s a by any means necessary approach which by definition is toxic. It’s why the Matrix is a good universe because by freeing everyone, you also condemn millions to die in the world their forefathers left them. I think you are oversimplifying the lens Morpheus is looking through. It’s why NEO didn’t “save the humans” by destroying the system but working with the machines to change it.
@@takun87 Wut...The Matrix is not a "good universe." It robs humans of choice (actual free will, as opposed to the illusion of choice.)
In your argument, you seem to favor humans existing in slavery over freedom because the real world is scary and dangerous? Idk maybe you can elaborate further..
Whereas, in the matrix, all of the humans who haven't been freed will die having never actually lived. It would be like being in a coma your entire life. Yeah, you'd TECHNICALLY be alive but you sure as hell wouldn't be living.
Masculinity in itself is a positive thing. The problem is when ppl conflate that with violence. It's always been possible to be a masculine male while also being a good human being.
Dude, very well spoken. This video deserves way more attention. It's saddening to me to see so many young men, who are presented with clear evidence that these movies are a warning against extremist male violence, STILL defending their idea that alpha male culture is what the movies actually mean.
There was one interesting vid I watched on Fight Club about the twist we all missed. And it broke down the narrative showing reason to believe all the character's are imaginary, and Marla is Tyler's feminine side, and in the end, he decides to embrace that side.
But I think the point of Fight Club isn't that there is a central theme or message but rather to make you think and discuss the ideas it presents. There's so many interpretations, and I don't think there's any particular right or wrong one. The thing I take away most from it is anti consumerism and avoid simple gratification
I agree and also disagree with the notion of this video. I think that too many people think that masculinity in any form is wrong while on the other side a complete lack of masculinity is ok. I think that life is nuanced and most extremes are to not to be condoned. In Fight Club the initial glimpse seems good but brought to its extreme is toxic. I think a balanced worldview is what we need. Masculinity and strength is not wrong. Violent aggression through strength is wrong. Strength can be good depending on the specific situation.
there is nothing bad about wanting to be a better version of yourself i think.
Thanks ! Loved that video ! Its a bit sad though, that I hade to search for such an good analystic view on fightclub for a bit, because the "embrace masculitnity" content is just much more... so really appreciate the time and effort you put into that video !
By good analystic view you mean one that alines with your woke views it's not okay to be a man it's necessary
@@jonnsmith556choke.
This is one of the best video essays I've seen, but this was uploaded almost two years ago... Hope this channel will upload again someday!
@@wwanwinkle 🙏🏾🙏🏾
I'd say swingers and happy Gilmore defined my masculinity in movies lol
Your wifes boyfriend told you that?
That is so money😎
I like your message. Masculinity, as we become less dependent on our physical strength to survive through technological advances, will constantly be changing and adapting just as we ourselves adapt.
What's important is that people don't feel a sense of "duty" to act or feel a certain way just because of silly societal norms. Conventionality is the real enemy here. The following of authority blindly is detrimental to our self-esteem and our understanding of the world/ourselves.
Great video!
@Mateusz Misztela Man has gone through a lot over the ages, going from primarily using his strength and physical attributes for survival to now, where we primarily use our minds for survival.
I get that even back then, the mind was still very important, what with hand eye coordination and knowledge gained from hunting, but being in excellent physical shape was a consequence of how a man was forced to live. Now it's more of a quality of life choice.
I think this shift of focus to the mind as we get more and more technologically advanced is a great thing, and there's still nothing wrong with wanting to be fit and strong. But it does not make you "more of a man" than your less physically strong counterpart.
A human being is a culmination of their choices. We're beings of self-made soul in that way. We cultivate and choose our own values through introspection and pursue them to the best of our ability in an attempt to achieve happiness.
@Mateusz Misztela Physicality doesn't make you more of a man. Being strong doesn't make you more of a man. I think being a firsthanded individual makes you more of a man or woman. What you're saying is the conventional idea of what a man is.
Someone who has never worked out a day in their life, according to your logic, is less of a man than a bodybuilder. The more physical and violent someone is, the more of a man they are than someone who is a pacifist.
It sounds like you fully by into the mind/body dichotomy because you have a very materialistic view of what a masculinity is. Anatomy is what separates a biological male from a biological female, but traditional masculine traits can be embraced by both men and women. Just as feminine traits can be embraced by both. A man who embraces traditional feminine traits is still just as much of a man. Is David Bowie lesser of a man than Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson?
What it means to be a man can be a lot of things.
@Mateusz Misztela yes, you're right. The spiritual values connect with the material values. The principles behind "why" you're doing something go hand in hand with whether the action is moral or not.
Basically, we could both be lifting weights together, but the ideals behind why you are lifting the weights could be completely moral, while the ideals behind why I'm lifting the weights could be immoral. So both of us are doing the same acton, but only one of us is moral.
It's all about the "why" and the "why" will depend on the individuals own personal values. It has to be firsthanded and understood that this is what the individuated wants for him/her self.
I think you already get it, but that's why I'm saying I think what makes a real man is being connected with himself and understanding his own personal values and where they come from. This is what I mean by being firsthanded or a firsthander.
An example of being secondhanded would be working out because of a sense of duty. Duty to be a way that society or others perceive as conventional. It's a very dumbed-down way to view the world and will ultimately lead to resentment of others and a feeling of being owed something from society for living the way your expected to live and not the way you truly want.
Some people will never even introspect to find out what their own wants even are. They rely fully on others and will never achieve true self-esteem.
Adapting to a temporary artificial construct sounds like a recipe for extinction
brilliant video! i love how thoroughly you dissected these films and the ideologies they (somewhat unintentionally) perpetuated, while still having some empathy for the white men who fell prey to them. framing it as a search for a higher purpose through the lens of spirituality makes so much sense, yet it had never occurred to me before. i think videos like yours, that seek to understand these dark corners of the internet wholly as people are soo very valuable. i know i for one struggle with having any empathy towards the joe rogans and jordan petersons of the world, because i was unwilling to extend them any compassion. but i think its not really about compassion at all: empathy, in this case, is just about understanding why these ideas-that have caused so much harm and death- build in the first place, so we can better dismantle them. appreciate your work man
thank you so much! that truly means the world to me. and you hit the nail on the head with this comment.
Soy boys if don't understand the matrix your still in it the BROTHERS both came out as Trans AFTER matrix trilogy the same year BOTH there parents died coincidence?
@@objectiveopinions9989 that fact that u promise being masculine and having masculine traits listening to Jordan peterson etc. are not the answer is completely disheartening
Well done, well written, well edited, and well executed. I do disagree with you on a lot of it, though. I think you're seeing these movies through the lens of today, and not through the lens of the times they were made in. One of the reasons they resonated with so many people at the time was the questioning of 'Why?' There is a reason my generation used to be called Generation Y (and not millennial), and not just because it came after X. A lot of us were questioning 'Why?'. Why should we conform to the life that's been laid out before us? Why should only big strong bodybuilders be our heroes in movies? Why is there nothing for us to do but sit in cubicles and waste away our years in service to something bigger than us when we see no tangible benefit?
This was before the internet was big, this was before you could snuggle up with your favored version of reality by going to your curated news feed and internet social group. All most people had was the world outside of their mundane existence being fed to them by monolithic outside sources. Newspapers, TV channels, movies you had to make an active effort to go see. What we saw these two specific movies as (and I say 'we' here to mean myself and the people my age that I've spoken with about this, so this is not entirely authoritative) were breaking away points from the old, the normal. The internet was catching on, it was still a wild west kind of thing, and we were finding a new world where location didn't matter anymore. You could go anywhere, talk to anyone. I grew up, and at the time these movies came out, lived in the swamps of the Southeast of America. Far away from anything that happened in the world, but with dial-up internet I found out just how big the world can be. It felt like discovering something new, something unseen by others, and it was now accessible to many.
The creators of both stories are Gen-X, but they're the big brothers and big sisters to my generation. They're the ones we looked up to when we had to gather our ideas of the world. We, the next generation, still had to play by the old rules in order to get ahead: pass the test, get good grades, go to college, marry and have babies. But we all were asking 'Why am I doing this?'
It's not about a loss of masculinity, it's a loss of self. When you know for a fact that you're nothing special, when you know for a fact that you're just another cog in the machine, when you know for a fact that you are replaceable, and that you are only there to function as a part of something larger than you. When you know for a fact that you are just a cell that's part of the super-organism known as mankind you lose something of yourself when you give yourself up to that organism. And everyone wants to feel special. Everyone wants to be the main character in their story. Noone wants to be the supporting character.
That's what those movies said to me and the people I've talked to that lived in that time. Both of them made them feel like it's okay if you're not Arnie or Stallone. It's okay if you're not trained, it's okay if you're not Johnny Marine Ex-special forces. You can still be special or important in some way. They were both wrong, of course, but they weren't about regaining masculinity in the way you think.
But that's just my interpretation.
"incels" "alt right"
Yea, we're not getting an objective view
I just finished reading fight club and I’m so confused because reading the book it is so obviously satire and chuck palahniuk says it’s satire and I see people saying they went to one of chucks readings and “he says it’s critiquing the way society views masculinity/toxic masculinity ” saying he doesn’t know why right wing people like fight club and then I see him on the joe Rogan podcast quoting Jordan Peterson and saying that fight club is was basically a model for how men should act when the book first came out im not sure if he even knows or is just tiptoeing around it can somebody help me with understanding this
love the video, keep it up
thank you so much 🙏🏾
Really loved the fresh perspectives you gave on both of this movies
It’s a nice breath of fresh air compared to a lot of the other takes majority of guys have against his movies
Incels got really mad about this video. lol
Especially when the video legit talks about the AUTHORS’ points of view, who are, debatably, the most important opinions here.
“Fight Club satirizes toxic masculinity.”
“NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 😭”
Right off the bat you’ve concluded that *_Masculinity_* is some how “negative”.
This inherently highlights your confirmation bias & makes me question your impartiality on the topic.
Ask yourself, “Why do I feel like Masculinity is a Bad thing”? If you’re unable to answer this question, but you still feel an irkness inside, then you’re choosing to avoid the question because of internal conflict.
he’s not impartial, that is very obvious. as soon as i heard “co-opted by incels and the far right”, not even 20 seconds into the video (0:14 to be exact), i already knew this creator has a huge ideological + political bias that completely misses the point of both films.
there have been much better analysis videos on both movies, but for Fight Club specifically (i just watched it for the first time the other night so it’s still fresh in my mind) i highly recommend the video “The Philosophy of Fight Club Explored” by FilmComicsExplained.
It's crazy how few views your videos have. I'm sure you'll be blowing up soon - Good luck!
thank you so much ! that means alot 💜
I enjoyed your video. I believe that the problems we face aren't really about the obvious surface details. Most of man's problems could be solved without technology, war, politics, money, religion (even though I myself am a Christian). Man's greatest challenge is
overcoming (and I know this sounds trite) self- centeredness, if each person (including myself) could only stop placing their own self-interests at the center of the universe and really embrace the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or one. If everyone took care of everyone, most issues would be resolved. I know that sounds naive, but it's a simple truth. The only obstacle to peace is each of us.
I’m just trying to better my self rather than being co opted into doing slave work or becoming the least of myself
You made an entire video based off of the fact that the columbine shootings occurred three months after the matrix came out. Are you really blaming movies for people’s actions of evil?
There’s no such thing as toxic masculinity, only masculinity. Telling men that fighting is never the answer is basically pissing on the lake and telling them it’s raining. When we go to war, I’m sure you’re going to want masculine men fighting. When you are the first person to call the police for something I’m sure you are going to want masculine men to show up. When there is a dangerous fire, I’m sure you are going to want masculine men to put out the blaze. even if the intention of the directors was to denounce, aggressive, masculinity, that doesn’t make it right. All that means is that I disagree with them also. Since when did Chuck Palahniuk end the two women that made the matrix or whatever become the spokes person for what America needs to remain a world power? We need men! War is inevitable right now. It always will be. Are you going to defeat the enemy with a giant rainbow?
Grow a pair.
And why is masculinity toxic? We as men literally get put on the front lines and do what others don’t want to when shit hits the fan. It’s that exact masculinity people dislike that the same people exploit when it benefits them. Men, it’s okay to embrace your masculinity. One day, you very well be exploited for it and we will step up because that is what men do. Answer when you hear the call
society needs masculinity in order to function. who is going to run the sewers, the power plants, fight in wars, pour concrete, build houses, mine for oil, and all of the other jobs that women and children cannot (and will not, in the case of women) do?
notice how conventional masculinity is “toxic” until it’s needed to fight a foreign enemy, dismantle a bomb, take down terrorists (and other violent criminals) etc.
you’re “toxic” and “bad” until they need you to lay your life down as a disposable shield to protect them so they can be safe and talk smack from their cushy at home or office jobs. how convenient.
this creator completely leaves out the fact that it’s a first world problem for masculinity to be seen as tOxiC. that a society which shames, rejects, and oppresses masculinity ends up with exactly the kind of violence he’s trying to condemn.
it’s a special kind of irony for a creator on TH-cam, a corporation in a capitalist society, who financially benefits from people viewing his videos, to use all of the current talking points (such as unnecessarily racialization, mEn bAd) to only drive home further the fact that these two films resonate with men for very valid reasons which are still relevant today.
Can't you take your victime complex elsewhere?
I think these movies are still so relevant is simply caused by the fact that a lot of men feel less masculine because they lack purpose. These 'heroes' get offered a big purpose without really searching for it. I think that is what is so appealing today. Men are looking for a purpose but stuck in their phones.
Men; I also do not have a 'big' purpose in life yet... still I do know we aren't going to find it on our phones.
I wouldn't say start a fight with a stranger, but we should go into the outdoors more
Thank you!!! As a woman who loved Fight Club and American Psycho i was CRUSHED to find out they've been co-opted by the alt-right. So thank you for making this video! I TOO hate my office job and constantly feel the crushing wheel of capitalism destroying my soul
It’s not that deep
"crushing wheel of capitalism" 😂
@@KwangTheMongrel given that was the entire point of the movie it actually IS "that deep," but I guess you just aren't.... lol 😂Thank you for this!
@@daphnewest1080 is the alt right in the room with us right now?
@@KwangTheMongrel all that you've proved now is that in addition to not understanding the movie, you ALSO don't watch the news/ know what's going on in the world 😂 lol please, KEEP GOING!!
The Joe Rogan interview with Palahnuik explain this exactly. And I don't know that Jordan Peterson ever encourages violence as a solution.
I’m not sure he has 🥴
I'm glad I wasn't the only one seeing the religious tie-ins, I'm a Christian so I was just scared that I was seeing it from a biased pov 😭
Fight Clubs portrays the life of young people growing up in corporate culture and how they're unable to form meaningful relationships. Tyler IS the narrator with his desires realized through random acts of violence as opposed to his desires being formed by advertising. That's his way to coping with nihilism under capitalism. They all grew up without proper parenting (no matter if their parents were physically absent or just weren't there as role models).
And the same is true for Marla. Marla is also unable to form emotional relationships with men, she's been sexually abused as a child, she has meaningless sex to satisfy her urges but that's it, nothing more. If you pay attention to it, there are so many little hints at this, the phone call close to the end with the narrator for example, when she asks if they "had sex" or "made love".
Instead of proper parenting, corporations raised them. The corporate world sorts people by their behavior, punishes disobedience, rewards cowardice. Advertising tells you what you need, what you should enjoy, who you are. Even if you secretly wish something else, you still comply because that's all you know, because that's how you survived in the past, because you're afraid to be someone else - Tyler Durden. It really is a battle against your self, and most people either lose or don't dare to start the fight in the first place.
The real merit of this battle lies not in a victory of Tyler over your old, weak, passive past self, but in what you learn from this battling. Tyler is resentful, destructive, anarchic in the worse sense of the word. He doesn't have a purpose in life either - but at least he accepted it. IIRC the movie says that at some point, that Fight Club "gives you a reason to cut your hair and trim your finger nails" - even when there's no deeper reason behind Fight Club itself, "because everything is meaningless anyway".
So if there's nothing behind this belief, this violent nihilistic void of Tyler Durden (which leads to fascism when it influences others), then we get to see the merit in overcoming this too - genuine relationships. In the end when the narrator, *after learning from this nihilism*, sacrifices himself to end that nihilism (in other words, nihilism itself only hurts when you feel that you gotta do something with your life, that you have to "be good for something"), it is then that he realizes that self-sacrifice doesn't have to mean that your life literally ends. Only then is Marla interested in him again, because he's no longer the insecure order-follower, nor the emotionally unavailable bad boy, nor the unreliable mess fighting himself. He simply is whoever he is. They simply hold hands, the only genuine, kind, well-meaning sign of their affection for each other in the whole movie. No egotistic satisfaction of one's own needs, no self-interest, no "trying to get something from the other one". Now they like each other not because they have to, because there's no one else available, because they desire something or any of that - they like each other simply because that's how they feel about each other. They accepted life as it is, no need for destroying the world, no need for saving it. What's left is genuine love. Real love doesn't come out of despair, social conditioning, morality, drives, or advertising. Only after going through the pain of desire, nihilism they are free to love each other, because they no longer have to, but still do so. Growing up without parents or proper role models, they found each other.
They'd make great parents, don't you think?
It baffles me when people think that Tyler Durden is the good guy in Fight Club.
He's not good he's necessary
@jonn smith Not sure what you mean by your comment, but Tyler's a consequence of the narrator's idea of what a real man is, which is someone who lets go of earthly values, and from this detachment, he effectively protects himself from pain. He is not necessary but instead a product of the progressive education system if you ask me. An educational system that teaches us to be pragmatic in our decision-making, which makes us unable to abstract principles to help guide our lives. So we're instead reliant on philosopher kings who dictate our lives much like Tyler does, and the lost men in fight club are ok with the violation of their individual rights if it means achieving some "greater good" that can only be achieved through a materialistic type of pain and sacrifice.
But there is no greater good above the life of the individual. Everything that we have, and take for granted, had to start with an idea. An idea from an individual. Without these ideas and an individual willing to take the financial risk, and devote the necessary time and commit the effort of THINKING, the workers in the world couldn't have just got together and built a bridge before there was someone to come up with the CONCEPT in the first place. Or build a car before there even were cars or create the internet and so on.. these are products of the INDIVIDUAL mind.
Tyler is a devaluer of the individual and, therefore, a devaluer of the mind. He systematically strips everyone who joins fight club of their individuality and ability to think for themselves. He's a materialist who completely separates material values from spiritual values. He's essentially launching a war on spiritual values and the mind and even bans his members from "talking" about Fight Club.
The first two rules of fight cub are important in that sense that Tyler thinks real men should be detached from spiritual values and therefore man should be cut off from his mind. Talking and sharing how you feel is a big no-no in Tyler's eyes because that's not manly. Tyler's mission is to take us back to the dark ages when things were difficult for everyone, and physical suffering on a daily basis was the norm and men were led by their kings who took what they wanted by force.
That's why Tyler's first two rules are DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB. It's not because he values secrecy but because he devalues the mind. He literally recruits through telling his followers to fight others instead of speak to them. That was very purposeful and in line with Tyler's beliefs that sharing your emotions is not how a real man should act.
@@johngleue on the surface ya but he's creating soldiers most people don't know how to be a team be selfless, that has to be learned first before you can shine into who your supposed to be, he's not the goal he's the journey. You have to be a monster first then learn how to control it, and how is he a product of the education system?
@jonn smith Progressive education teaches kids to be pragmatic instead of teaching kids how to create and rely on principles to guide them through life through the process of induction (actual thinking).
Pragmatism is dealing with every situation on a case by case basis. It doesn't allow one to ever think long-term and relies on methods like mere memorization as opposed to a broader understanding of the "why" behind any conclusion you will come to. John Dewey is the father of progressive education, and it's destroying our nation.
Without principles grounded by a sound philosophy, we have no direction. Principles act as a guide for us to make conclusions that protect our long-term goals/happiness.
And being selfless is the opposite of what needs to be learned to be a part of a team. Maybe an unthinking cog in a machine, sure, but not a rational thinking willing part of a team. It all comes back to the individual's personal values.
@@johngleue I agree completely with the education system that don't teach to think critically or for themselves and nurture intelligence, they want them to be workers, slaves, and to remember and regurgitate what they taught them. this is completely true but, what does that have to do with why Tyler Durden is bad?
I love both the matrix and fight club. I love the whole "he's so babygirl" thing that's been going around with Patrick Bateman and Tyler Durden, but I'm terrified of the people who read these movies so wrong. You're not meant to go along with Tyler or Patrick, but people have started doing that
It's really to find a balance though you can't be truly good without being dangerous and capable
U definitely are meant to go with him, not Patrick bateman, he is just an insane serial killer. But Tyler durden yes, we should do what the narrator failed to do, we must embrace out Tyler durden.
But you aren’t meant to reject them either. Tyler Durden took masculinity to a dangerous extreme (some times necessary) but he was still, needed for the MC to destroy his old self (feminized self)
They have always done it. Think of the hippie psychedelic movement, there has always been those
You cant tell me I misunderstood the matrix when the male directors misunderstand themselves
Thoughtful and smart. Thanks!
“Toxic masculinity”
If majority of people misunderstood your film, you're a bad director. That's the reality of it. You failed at your goal of communication. That's all.
The main problem with fightclub is that the visual communication conveys a different message than the script or the book did through language. It's difficult to communicate visually, but that's what film is. If you show a visually appealing display of toxic violence, your audience is going to find it appealing. That's what you're showing. The director's intention just doesnt matter. Practice what you preach, show what you say you believe. There's a major disconnect in fight club.
Learn, don't follow. Test them up,take the good parts don't just blind believing all of them... I did escaped my local manipulating cult by sheer violence and "make them fear us" motivation... But I don't tell my friends to escape them the same brutal and fearsome way that can cost them PTSD and risking the life in jail.
In addition to Neo's name: "Anders" is a Scandinavian name that translates as "human" or "man". This makes Thomas Anderson -> Thomas, the son of man. Another reference to Jesus, with Thomas being the one Apostle who didn't believe that Christ returned after the resurrection, a hint at Neo not believing his own powers.
great essay! Next time i talk about how much i like the movie fight club i will also adress this in my monologue:)! Thank you for shining a light on this topic ! Boys i love you
I can feel the soy in his voice
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I had the same thoughts
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the overuse of vocal fry to attempt to sound masculine in order to try to compensate for the nasal high tone gives it away.
Your gay is showing
incredibly insightful! such an underrated video
one of the worst pieces of advice I've ever heard was 'check your ego at the door'. No. I earned this, why should I pretend to be weak to make you more comfortable? How about you do something to get on my level?
It’s simple, real men are tired of the sissy stuff being pushed on us
wonderful video, you put this phenomenon into words completely.
Another great video! Thorough interesting content with a lovely narrorator
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love this! Especially the clear message at the end. I only wish and hope this will reach audiences who need to hear this.
aw thank you so much nicole! that truly means alot 💜 And yea i hope this message reaches the right audiences too
I hope not we don't need more soft men we need strong capable men not soy boys but it's a free country and you can do what you please
The amount of time, you have uttered the word 'white men ', is both funny and irritating.
As if no other group of men can relate.
Awesome content as usual!! Love your videos can’t wait for more 🙏🏾
aw thank you so much! your support truly means the world 💜
I feel like I just watched a gender studies professor explain the matrix and one of my favorite movies
This video is excellent. I hope to hear more from you! New sub.
I love this, you are the only one on TH-cam who I’ve seen get this right. Awesome! These people in comments are lost, don’t let them discourage you. Y’all in the comments are children. God forbid someone gives you the truth 😂
In my opinion - these films don't communicate masculinity, but rather breaking free and letting go, but through cautionary tale form. This is also coming from someone who doesn't believe in masculinity - the only physical difference between men and women are organs and hormones, and I think being a 'man' is pointless - be a human. And just for the record I love these movies, especially fight club - I think it's a masterpiece, and not because it has fighting white men.
Mostly agree. I am however, trying to figure out how you do so casually call neo hyper masculine.....nyeh
I use "I feel" statements. Because men have feelings.
I walked curbside with my daughter. Because I'd give my life for her.
I like to cook. Because that provides.
Violence isn't the answer. Men can be more.
Damn a woman has really done a number on this guy
White masulinty? Was Mr. T chop liver? Carl Weathers and Danny Glover are also chop liver?
Joining martial arts club will feel amazing for any man
This man needs to see what fighting can do before saying shit on it
These characters are literally me
I can agree it's portrayed as from the perspective of a white male, but as a Hispanic male I can tell you that any man can relate to these characters.
If you grew up with no father, no male role models, no family, and no friends you feel these guys in your bones.
Lost in the world, all alone. It's an incredibly painful experience.
I think violence shows you who you truly are. It taps into our animal self and shows us that our “civilized” nature is more fragile than we think.
Hey the taxi cab driver saved somebody. And wound up not doing anything bad.
The video creator hated alpha male lol so much wokeness to be supported
Another great video 👏🏾
thank you so much 💜 appreciate the support
Movies are interpreted by the viewers.
really cool analysis man. thank you
This video is of course absolutly objective and doesnt mean to convince you with the vision of the author
As shown with the really intellectual argument "bro, i promise you" at 18:30
Haha ya
there are no objective people, only people who are either unaware of their lens or attempt to hide it. This is an argument, from a perspective....well, no shit.
Professional video. However I don't agree with you. Surely I can understand that the movies were missunderstood by what the creators ment it to be, but It does speak a truth. For example in Fight Club, you see him slaving in an office, having trouble sleeping and functioning, doesn't work out, eats junk food and so on. These repeated habits and unfortunate living situation has led him to become a total wreck. Men have for centuries protected their homes and loved ones from danger. We are natures protectors but today we have nothing to protect, no purpose or meaning. I don't mean that it's a bad thing that there are no wars or conflicts but most men are longing for action. We watch fighting on tv, we watch sports were men are pushed to their limits to achive greatness, etc. We are fascinated by a life of hard work, achivement and strength. Today we are not encouraged to do any of that. We sit in classrooms having lessons about the so called "Toxic masculinity", Why macho culture is so bad, etc. All they show us is the parts of masculinity which they deem to be negative. Surely some parts of the description of toxic masculinity are bad but what they're trying to turn us into are some good boys sitting still and being quiet while having our legs crossed. The schools are full of female trachers trying to teach us boys what they think a man should be. They have no idea what they're talking about. Honestly I find it heartbreaking. Masculinity is not only domination or violence. Masculinity is protecting, loving, ambition, greatness, strength, virtue, brotherhood, hard work and selflessness. These are beautiful things but we are being stripped from it in this modern world. We have had such an extreme movement to counter masculinity, so I don't find it suprising at all that people like Andrew Tate (Who is the exact opposite to all of this) raises in fame and recognition. Men need role models to look up to. I agree that Andrew Tate might not be the best role model out there but there are not that many which we actually can look up to today. Personally I look up to men like Hamza and Iman Gadzhi (both youtubers) who have gone through their lives being poor, helpless, lost, unambitious, and so on but have overcome it and became good men of success and value. and the way they became good men is by following the principles of masculinity which is, ambition, hard work, dedication, protecting and disciplin. No one can tell me that masculinity is hurtfull since I have too started my journey of following these principles and all I've found is improvments in both my physical and mental health as well as improvments in school and life by becoming more social and willing to do the things that I might find scary but doing it anyways to step out of my comfort zone since it is when a man does that, he can truly evolve and become great. I see masculinity as a sacred thing and that it should be preserved.
Masculinity is a social construct, not a natural one. There are no “principles” to it. There is no objectively natural facets of being a man, like ambition or protecting or discipline. Toxic masculinity IS a thing and it IS a problem, as it causes men to be destructive, to both themselves and the world around them. Teaching “positive” masculinity is meaningless, because masculinity as a whole only exists in concept. What you are promoting here is very basic and very conventional as far as solutions for men without meaning go. I’ll go straight to the core with this and say that you CAN be a man without conventional meaning and still feel happy. The reason men feel that they need such meaning is that society tells them they need it, not because we actually do. To put it another way, society is a contradiction for men today, because it tells us we need a call to action in our lives but doesn’t let us have it. I say we destroy the whole idea of needing that call to action in the first place. To bring it back around to masculinity being a social construct, why is it that only men are expected to have this sense of “action” or “achievement” or “strength,” as if those are even unique values to begin with, when no other group is?
@@sssjaeger Masculinity isn’t just a social construct. Your entire comment is disproven by all of human history. Really just a bunch of modern nonsense to be honest.
@@sssjaeger Read "Death Squared" by John B Calhoun MD, and get back to us - it is a well-studied and accepted natural construct, for the last 50+ years.
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Watching this video will drop your T levels by 20 points.
Redpill terms on Internet doesnt mean breaking free from feminist thought. The terms "redpilled" is highly subjective, its basically break down to "my pov/arguments is better than yours" kinda thing.
Like Virgin vs Chad meme. Its subjective.
Person who linger in manosphere comunity might say "Being a Man who doesnt even consider Womens opinion is redpilled"
But then again the person who linger in Feminism could say "Redpilled man is a man who is in touch with his feelings and not reeking toxic masculinity"
And both arguments are right on their circle.
Basically the terms Redpilled on the Internet is just pure subjective bs.
Your name is spot on with this analysis.
when ever someone states the phantom that is
'alt right'
they loose all credibility 😂😂
If the matrix is an allegory for transgenderism than the woman in the red dress must be Neo’s internalized perception of his true self- he is the the woman in the red dress and that is what makes him the Anomaly- and must also mean everyone else who has “escaped” the matrix is also trans or lgbt; as described by the architect. If all the other inhabitants of the matrix are able to transform into Agents- than that is most likely the metaphor of how trans people feel like their not part of the literal code of the world in which they live. And the machines have adapted to this and thus the narrative of “the one” continues after the first movie I guess… (?)
Or maybe, maybe just in case, you actually didn't get these movie and misinterpreted them.
What’s the meaning of fight club then?
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@@rano12321 why does he kill Tyler then
Obviously harming other people in never the answer but challenging urself everyday and optimizing ur testosterone will only make u happier.
Good video
you took a good concept and really gave a biased opinion. As soon as you politicized and especially racialized it, you were moved into the victim category
i work out because im fucking ugly lol
Real
Wow you managed to piss off all the righteous “alpha male” types in this comment section
good, let them seethe
keep up the great work
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Great video 👍
Answer here is very simple. Man and Woman cant find specific role in this life anymore. I can talk only about western world where i live. Over here there is no real struggle anymore. We dont need to struggle for food, drinking water, roof over our heads. Family structure is not important anymore as children are expensive luxury, instead as an asset in older days where you needed more pair of hands. In short, it has changed so much that it is hard to keep up with it some few generations. Now we have inner fight between Men and Women who is best. No, we are not same, and yes we have our strengths and WEAKNESES. Would be good to appreciate each other with smile and odd thank you. Lately i hear a lot about masculinity as a bad thing. Masculinity has a trait built in which is sacrifice. For men it is physical, for women it is emotional. You wont hear me saying Femininity is bad because girls are to soft or caring, but for some reason men are bad being themselves. Here im talking about most, yes there can be in between if they want to be. But all you doing here is forcing woman who want to be feminine to be masculine ( Which is ok for some reason) and vice versa. Creating more confusion when they fail. Im comforted in knowledge that this fad wont go for long as nature has a brutal way to put thing back in the place( No, it wont care about how you feel about it) Anyway, if somebody read this rant, thank you. Ah forgot main point. Both of these movies are my favourite, and i never saw them as bad influence, more as a struggle of character. And to point out - both of them have fantastic female characters with strengths that are not available to men. Neo only dose thing because of Trinity and Marla still sticks around obviously crazy man ( Which is stupid) They show care. Dear ladies, dont ever loose your femininity
Such a good video !!!!
if someone is idolising tyler durden, you can tell there's something wrong with them
There not our saviour because there is only one who is especially since there only characters or there only men and just like us are nothing special and they know it. Clearly it sounds like as well that your missing the point of what true masculinity is which is these 3 P’s of the home/family. Provider Protector and Patriarch. These 3 P’s are the definition of what all male men should be striving for. If your a young man still yet to become a father it still applies because there will be younger men and boys looking to you as the example so therefore you are still a patriarch. Provider you can still provide for yourself and others if and when needed especially comfort of some sort. Protector I think would still fall under that category too you can protect them which is comfort. But especially when we use our masculine nature to destroy whoever we are protecting even if it kills us. That’s our natural instinct… when we care about people we show it alright especially in that scenario. So don’t be fooled by a fool who sounds like he himself is tryna make more nonsense try to make sense.
Great video essay. Thank you. I feel like you left out an important point in your inclusion of The Joker movie to prove your point on "downtrodden white men". His poor mental health is the product of childhood abuse and TRAUMA. How does one ignore such an important feature in a story? Or is that detail not relevant because men are never victims, but only perpetrators?
Então mano dhr legal vc abriu minha mente.. mas fiquei com mais dúvidas ainda lol eai você apresentou o problema.. teria alguma solução?
Everything is subjective.
Shallow ego related movies. You working against the system is the system working against you. How can you be free?
How do you manage to compare Tyler Durden with the Buddha and ignore all the Buddhist allegory in the Matrix in order to compare Neo with Jesus?
The toxic masculinity I agree with, buy the religious analysis is a mess.
She will not date u cuz u made a soy boy video she will be with one of us guys.
You guys produce too much estrogen your body😂
So true
Just wanna say a few things: Embrace masculinity. Reject neo marxist post modernism. Use your violence to improve yourself. Listen to Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson.
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Naw
Warning brothers!
This is an agent of the matrix talking to you!
Wake up