Saw this beauty and though the exact thing, want it to come out already so I can dump it in my miata haha, shot for the awesome info in this video and without this video I'd have no idea on this engine possibly coming up, cheers from NZ
This thing is going to EXPLODE in the Jeep world. In the low rpm, “diesel power” configuration it would be an awesome engine for a kit built/experimental airplane. I’m definitely going to be keeping my eye on this one going forward.
“ When equipped with an appropriate turbocharger.” Good point. You’re not getting 500ft-lb torque from 3.6 liters naturally aspirated. That’s more torque than a stock LS7 (which has almost twice the displacement).
This engine could fit in so many applications. Jeeps to start with, S10's sound great. Very cool that BPE came up with this engine. I hope it's priced well and sells well. It got my attention!
It’s NOT going to be priced well. Anything as custom as this is going to cost LOTS - certainly a whole lot more than your basic LS3 crate motor (which, by the way, will make more power). If anything, price will kill this idea. Or, at the very least, restrict its use to applications where there is no alternative.
This would be an epic swap for a Pontiac Fiero, I've always wanted another Fiero with a bit more power but didn't want to 3800 swap or V8 swap one. This is the perfect balance of weight, power and serviceability.
I wonder if this engine could be shoehorned into a Fiat X1/9. I had one, great handling car with a custom paint job it looked awesome. But you had to wring the damn things throat to get anywhere fast, just like with the Fiero it would change the driving effort totally. I worked a year to get a hundred horsepower out of that Fiat and this thing could have given me 300 in a couple of weekends.
I had a Suzuki SX4 that the engine blew sadly I don't have it anymore but I would love to put this engine into it if I still had it and of course have the money to swap it in .
Good and/or interesting engineering knows no badges. A commercially available block that will take a GM or Ford, albeit a very old design, head is a brilliant idea. I think this has a lot of potential and I look forward to seeing what the more adventurous tinkerers out there can come up with using it.
They are filling in the OE head bolt holes and machining new holes for the LS head or Windsor head. Wasn't the Cleveland 351 better than the Windsor 351 ? 🤔🤔
@@firemanjim324 One could write a very long response to that last question of yours, but overall, yes the Cleveland head was (is?) better and especially the 2V version .... and especially if you raise the exhaust port floor or best of all use what is commonly refered to as a 3V version as made by Cylinder Head Innovations in Australia. And that's the "short" response 🤣
@@-MacCat- that 3V Aussie head doesn't give up much to the LS3 except price and junkyard availability. I'm pretty hardcore Mopar and even I'd rock one of these with a Cleveland or LS head in a small RWD car, I know where there's some Vega's and Pinto's and even some 70's RWD JDM stuff I would CHEERFULLY stick one of those in
I love this, and what else that’s interesting, is the 2.7 L turbo four-cylinder that GM is currently using it already at over 300 hp and 430 pounds of torque. Wouldn’t be hard to get to this number with that 2.7 L. Anyways, good stuff.
I'm not even into LS engines but I have been following this when I first heard about because I wanna see how it runs in a compact truck or FWD car and I am dying to hear what it sounds like!
@@wildcoyote34 thanks for clearing that up I never knew it was made by Pontiac. Turns out the 3.6 LS is based on a industrial engine now made by Origin that originally used a Ford Windsor head. I remember seeing a old 4 cylinder engine in a junkyard with a Windsor head and I'm wondering if it wasn't a Ford design originally but can't find much about it
Half a V8, like the Pontiac Trophy 4 from the early 60's- it used a 389 head, some even came with a 4 barrel carb. Fun little engines, but they to use huge rubber motor mounts and a heavy duty timing chain to deal with all the vibration caused by such a large 4 banger.
A big inch NA 4 cylinder is something a lot of people are definitely interested in. I can think of a Bronco 3rd Gen crawler. A snowmobile. Even a something old school like a Model A.
The low-end torque version really interests me. I am currently planning to build a 350 with tuned-port injection for my Chevy Suburban and couple it with a Magnum six-speed manual trans. My goal with the build is to maximize torque below 2,500 RPM for towing and fuel economy. A flat torque curve from about 320 ft.lb @ 1200 RPM to a peak of 400 at 2,500 RPM would be great. More torque if possible without increasing displacement or the same torque with a smaller displacement engine that would be better yet.
Don't waste your time or money with the SBC... had a buddy for years who was the same way, with small block Pontiacs. 5.3/4.8 is now plug and play in almost everything. My 09 F150 has a 3v 4.6 (weird 2 year only iron block "mustang" engine) and even at 5600lbs and tall gearing it's small displacement plenty for anything other than an enclosed car trailer... open trailers aren't even noticeable. been a blown alcohol and turbo 6 guy for 20 years, so it's not like I use the term "enough" and horsepower in the same sentence very often. The jump in reliability and performance between SBC to LS is exactly the same as from Flathead to SBC. Don't even have to go efi to get the major benefits.
I've been dreaming of building a IMSA Monza tribute for a few years now & when I saw this I immediately thought a turbocharged version of one of these would be awesome to try out. I think Comp CTR6262 would set this thing off beautifully. Turbosmart Straight Gate, big injectors, FT550 to control it all. Back it up with the tried and true TR6060. Could be a beast!!!🤘
@@scotcoon1186 that engine has recently been restored! you can find a video of the machinist talking all about the engineering and construction of it :)
I'd like to see a v twin, but still liquid cooled, I think the one I have seen was solid.... Totally useless. I guess good for one hill climb at a time maybe. Anyways fully functional v twin with a six speed cassette transmission but into a flat track racing chassis.... Or if it's too big, not sure the dimensions, maybe just a cruiser, or a cruiser set up for road racing like the "king of baggers" series..... Just honestly not a bagger. Don't like baggers. I like stripped down racing machines with lights on them for night racing.
I can't say that I'm impressed by this. The screen grab @1:29 says that this engine can produce 340HP/500 lb-ft "when equipped with an appropriate turbocharger". So with a turbocharger it produces less than 100HP per liter of displacement. Pretty much every 4 valve four cylinder engine these days will exceed 100HP per liter in N/A form. Plus those two bolt main caps probably won't stand up to a lot of power if someone tries to really put some boost to that engine.
Something hondas have been doing forever.. Same with with Mercedes new turbo 4 that makes 400 hp.... Again, something that hondas have been doing for a long time but people just like to shit on the brand.
Yep, reading the specs 340hp/500ftlbs, already can tell you that this engine isn’t revving to 5000. Maybe not even 4000. If it were N/A I would imagine it making maybe 130-150 horses. But honestly being a motorhead, I and most others like me always want to look at things from the Motorsport performance stand point. I think this engine really is more about its intended niche, pickups, hauling and generators. And in those roles it genuinely looks fantastic Since torque is what snaps transmissions, why (other than cool/meme factor) would I want this in my NA Miata over a K20/4 which can safely bolt onto my factory driveline. If I’m swapping the the whole driveline anyway, I’m just going to put a 5.7 in it for the instant N/A torque.
Glad someone noticed this... The host clearly wanted to make it seem like this engine makes 340HP all on its own as he skipped the "with appropriate turbocharger" part... So much so, he, later on, mentioned "it can also be turbocharged in performance applications" - NOT that it needs turbo to achieve the numbers he boasted about the entire video.
So basically, a cummins 4cyl block, with LS breathing capability, and the ability to handle power additions. Crawlers, mini trucks, Euro swaps, Jeeps! Awesome!
I've always loved an inline four cylinder engine. I use to race a Vega back in the day and two of my fiends raced Pintos. It just amazed me how much power we got out of a 4 cylnder. Now a days the Mustang and Camaro top 300 hp. And this one 340 amazing hp and over 500 ft lbs of torque. With all this power out of a 4 cylinder who needs a V6 or V8??? My brother in law had a 1964 Stingray that only produced 250 Hp and a 442 that prodiced 350 hp. These engine were much heavier than a 4 cylinder and I'm sure more expensive to manufacture. Who needs any more hp...NOBODY. This is an amazing engine and hope we see more of it. Thanks for this video and for sharing your knowledge on this engine.
This is fascinating for a guy like me who loves high torque more than high horsepower 😀. Let's be real, most of us aren't driving around doing 150 mph. However, I'm willing to bet most of us love blasting off like a rocket 🚀 to the speed limit before hitting cruise control haha (which I do 😄 😆). 340 hp is a strong number for a daily driver. If its truly a robust block I'm presuming reliability won't be an issue 😊.
The power numbers represented already include the application of a “suitable turbocharger”. This four banger does not make the named power without bolt ons. Porsche still wins…
Looks like an awesome engine for a Pontiac Fiero. The supercharged 3.8 buick engine seems to be very popular at the moment. But I can see at least 1,000 of these being ordered for Fieros over the next couple years.
I desperately want one of these in a mini truck. Just think of how much fun you could have with this thing in virtually any 4banger economy compact. 340hp econobox? Heck yeah.
That's nuts. We specialize in the Honda Big Block (J-Series V6) and the largest V6 we have to play with is a 3.7l. We've made in excess of 320whp (352 crank) on 93 pump in our test 3.2L but with full bolt ons and some head work. Obviously it wasn't an all out NA engine being on 93 pump gas but if this engine is coming off the show room like that is crazy..the 500tq figure is what gets me Edit - Did I miss this engine had a turbo?? If so, our same J32 3.2L made 550/467 to the wheels on just 8psi. Guess this engine isn't as cool as I thought. DONT SLEEP ON J's!! 😎
J-series engines are probably the most undervalued engine currently. If people poured in the same amount of money into Js as they do Ks oh man, game would be completely different.
This is so cool! And we need this as an option. I sure hope more engine options like this happen. Pretty exciting in this day and age of expensive gas.
@Matthew Heal I know I'm just tired of v8's mostly because the vehicles are heavy, the engines are heavy, and the mpg is ok. I have always liked inline 6's, so this would be lighter and decent all around. I am not afraid of spending money on gas. it's just nice to have something different for a change.
@Matthew Heal plus I once had a 1975 datsun truck, and it was really nice to be able to work on everything under the hood because of all the extra room with a smaller engine in the bay. All these cars nowadays days have no room for your hands to do any work. This option would allow lots of space under the hood. Just nice to think about this under the hood instead of all the bigger v8's
To keep the crankshaft always turning under a power stroke, a 4 cycle piston engine only needs 4 cylinders. One fact that most gear heads don't remember is that a 4 banger, cubic inch for cubic inch is a torque monster. A single piston is 1/4 of overall displacement, meaning that torque rise is faster than a 6 cylinder or 8 cylinder. So a 3.6L 4 cylinder will make peak HP and Peak torque at lower RPM than a 3.6 L V6 or I-6, or a 3.6L V8. Theoretically with equal volumetric efficiency the I-4, V-6 / I-6 or V-8 will make exactly the same HP and Torque, but the I-4's HP and Torque will be at considerably lower RPM.
Blue Print is a good engine company. If they get to market this, I believe they will have trouble keeping up with orders. Think T-buckets, Model A's, Jeeps, kit cars, small trucks, trikes, boats, exp. aircraft, as well as industrial applications. CRAZY.
That’s a great option for Jeep swaps. Exhaust out of the way for driveshaft clearance. Piles of torque and durability from looks of it and decent torque. Way lighter than a 4.0
There's been a ton of people asking for a 4-cylinder LS engine. This would be awesome for all sorts of trucks as well as swaps into trucks like a Tacoma that you want to pull a trailer with.
This is so cool... The LS3 Head. I think I'll take two! If I could get one counter rotating for my old wood boat I would gladly pay you on Tuesday for two engines today. :)
Why didn't he mention the "when equipped with an appropriate turbocharger" part of that sentence? Seems like there are a lot of 4 cylinders that could produce those numbers with an appropriate turbocharger.
This is fantastic, I hope Blueprint engines brings this to production, I'm thinking 1st gen S10 minitruck or Cobalt/Cavalier with a small turbo (because these ls heads flow so well, no need for alot of boost)
I've been building engines since the mid-70's. The GM V8's have always been my favorites along with the 302 Ford and Big Block Chryslers. Favorite 6 in a row, the Ford 300 and now finally a four banger I'd run. I see this engine with a couple side draft Webbers, a distributor and a 4 into 1 outside the frame long tube header with a TKO 5 speed behind it in a '27 T Bucket boiling the hides. Just me .........
@@RadDadisRad Funny you should mention that, I just started messing with one. It's larger and heavier, the oil pan presents some issues and a lack of aftermarket support makes it a challenge. Currently I'm working on a 1 into 2 intake to mount 3-42mm Harley CV carbs to feed it and I'm ringing out the out bugs on a standalone ignition. I could just be spinning my wheels but I've found out that in this day and age anything is possible. Just what the performance will be remains to be seen.
Why is no one mentioning that it requires a turbo to hit the 340 HP/500 Tq numbers? It says it in the article. The block by itself doesn't produce it. Requires a turbo. My brother's modded Evo X has similar numbers (slightly less torque) with a 4-cylinder.....
Maybe because they want to hit the 100bhp per litre of displacement? Not that it's a new benchmark, the E30 M3 achieved that 25 years ago (with 4 cylinder NA engine). Edit 35 years ago.
Im wondering since today's motors are higher horsepower and get better gas mileage, what could they get milage wise if they took today's fuel efficient high hp engines and made them lower HP 🤔
@@JSchroederee after doing some research, I have found out that this a industrial \ commercial 4 cylinder engine that blueprint has adapted the LS3 cylinder head to. The great thing is the back of the engine is set up for GM style transmission, so everything from a 2 speed powerglide to 4L80 should bolt up
My point was that I don't see GM using an engine developed by an outside firm. They could take the hint and do something similar but I doubt they'd use the blueprint engine.
Once you get above 2.0L vibration becomes a big problem and balance shafts are required. In industrial or marine applications the engine usually spends a lot of time at midrange RPM and isn’t required to respond quickly to large changes in RPM. They can get away with big heavy crankshafts and flywheels to offset vibrations. Not sure about a 3.6L 4 Engine for performance street applications without balance shafts. It will be murder on engine mounts and flywheel fasteners.
I'm sure ATI or Fluidamper have solutions to handle the vibrations. While balance shafts are a chealer solution for Hiop apps they are unreliable due to specific RPM needed to operate properly, If Fluidampr designs can truly adapt and operate in the conditions that a large 4 banger would be subject to, it could be possible to make it work without a balance shaft
@@crazylarryjr crankshaft dampers do absolutely nothing for the vibrations you would feel from a 4 cylinder engine. What they do is dampen crankshaft harmonics, not primary or secondary imbalances. When you’re sitting in a car that’s running, you are not going to feel crankshaft harmonics, you are feeling primary and secondary imbalances in the engine. Balance shafts are what reduce the primary and secondary imbalances, not crankshaft harmonic vibrations, which is the job of the crankshaft damper.
@@jeffgriffith7003 exactly what I thought when I saw this thing. Harmonics will not be good with any RPM considered "performance". It will rip itself apart.
If they shorten the stroke it will be better. GM/Merc sells (or sold) a 3.0L for decades, and it functions just fine up to 5000. My dad has one in his boat and we run that thing at 5000RPM constantly. Sure, it is on some squishy mounts but nothing has failed on it.
If NVH's are resolved, this would be perfect for the older Datsun and Toyota minis with a narrowed Ford 8.8 rear, big brake and calipers and the world class 5 spd, or an 8hp transmission with paddle shifters; ooh the possibilities(?). Edit: A front or rear Sump option needs to be offered as well.
I do think it is a great idea and expect the numbers are like 250 HP and 280 LB/FT of torque naturally asperated. I hope this engine become reality. There are so many uses for it. :)
Pontiac did this back in the early 60s as an option in their Tempests. It was a 389 ci v8 chopped in half. I always thought it was such a cool concept and I'm glad to see it's getting a revisit here!
I think one of these would be amazing for any engine swap project. If only I could get one to fit under the hood of an MG, that would put me on the list for two of them.
This is based on the Iron Duke engine, the 2.5L 4 cylinder used in a lot of GM's offerings in the 1980's. Pontiac built a special super duty version of it that was 3.0L and had a 16 valve head on it if I am not mistaken. Car Craft did a big write up on it back in the day. They were popular swaps for Fieros at the time. TONS of them were installed in S10's and you could even get one in an early 3rd gen Camaro or firebird. I had an '83 Camaro with one in it, had a T5 and a 3.73 gear, stock. Had plenty of drivable power and it would get 30+mpg regularly.
As you stated, "I could see it in a number of vehicles", well as I do. My first choice would be a first gen f-body, preferably a Pontiac, Sprint clone... I watched J Leno's 68 Firechicken, and fell in love.
I actually love me a 4 cylinder: reachable spark plug access, easy peasy head gasket job, good fuel economy in light car, half the cost to rebuild. Keep your regular car on the road for less money.
This is a huge step up for GM four cylinder engines, from the iron duke engine. I had a Chevy Vega circle track car and I finally had to give up on it. because at the time there wasn't a GM four cylinder engine. that could run with the 2300 2.3L Pinto engines. the Vega four cylinder wasn't any good. and the iron duke would stay together but just wouldn't make enough power. it's too bad this engine wasn't available back then it would have been a game changer.
I’m usually against LS swapping things that are not GM related but this is hella tempting to swap into my Samurai. I’m curious to see how high this thing can rev, if it can rev to at least 6500rpm and produce peak power at 6000. it would be perfect since that’s what I’m working with now with my 1.6 16v SOHC. And maybe they can make an aluminum block version with adapters for various transmissions for the Jeeps and numerous Japanese 4x4s for a naturally aspirated applications
The gm 3.0 4 cyl is used by mercruiser in a LOT of smaller boats and usually makes around 140 horse in that application. This would be an interesting upgrade...
The Ford Coyote engine would be a great candidate for a 4 cylinder version, as you could re-use the crank - you heard it here first guys ! 😎😃 250bhp at 8200rpm naturally aspirated.
That is an incredible engine, great engineering and use of existing parts from different manufacturers, I'm really looking forward to seeing this thing hit the ground
Yes. I don't see a balance shaft so I'm wondering about a 4 cylinder of this size how it will be balanced. Regardless, this is an interesting engine. Too bad it's not a V-4.
@@warhound7781 For as long as you want I guess , 3L 2jz's are putting out over 1000hp tires every single day of the year , these are 0.6 Litre bigger 👍👍👍
@@chrisvandy3864 Big difference between this and a 2jz...lmao You seem to be overlooking how big 3.6L as a 4 cylinder is compared to a 3L 6 cylinder. And one is automotive based vs industrial equipment...lol
@@warhound7781 lamo I don't really care to be honest I own an over 1000hp 2JZ and also an 800hp 1JZ ........ I know enough about automotive and industrial equipment 👍
I'd drop the 3sgte out of my swapped 1998 rav4 and put this in. But of course it costs money, and I don't have that. Only reason I was able to out the gte in my rav4 was because I got it for 270 bucks and an aftermarket ecu from a junked charger from a u-pull and modified the wiring myself. I honestly want this kind of power for my little Rav 4 because I do lots of road trips, last year I was travelling Appalachians in VA and flooring it I could on go 45 in 2nd gear on alot of the roads. With a 2300lb teardrop camper I bought for these road trips I had to abandon it at a gas station near the base of the mountain because just climbing out of the valley I could tell that even the gte was struggling. I knew my axles and drivetrain could take it since they were a combination of Celica gt four and rav4.2 components which are way more beefy and gave me rear disc brakes as well. But that 3sgte has no where near the torque this thing has. It would be perfect for my road trip nugget. Here's to hoping I win the lotto some day or get a 40 dollar wage increase. Then I'll go for this or a 2j. I still haven't returned for the camper but the owner of the gas station has it in their backyard still, I said they can use it until I have the means to drive it back.
I would love to put this in my 75 Monza 2+2. With a max hp of 110 Vega 2.3....even with just 340hp, it would be a blast to drive. The car weighs 2950. I have been holding off on doing a v8 conversion for a long time. This Chevy compatible 4cyl would be the hot ticket.....If I can afford it. I'll be following.
@@ostrich67 I have a 79 Monza 2+2 with the 305, and I know several people who have the 3.8 Buick engine in their H-Body. I tried for months to find a used 75 or 76 V8 Monza....and nobody was trading them in. I settled for the 2.3 4-speed instead. When I got to ride in a V8 monza, I understood why. The 3.8 is ok for daily driver, but the V8 was a no contest win. I purchased my 79 in June 2006.
@@mikef-gi2dg the 3.8 handled better because there was far less weight in the nose. Probably the V8 is faster in a straight line, but that gets boring eventually.
@@ostrich67 Actually both handle very good, even in the snow. The weight difference isn't much....a v6 with a/c...power brakes, power steering, upscale trim package....the most common combination is within 79lbs + - of a V8 with ac, manual brakes, manual steering am radio and basic trim package and hatchback like my 79. My 75 with manual brakes, steering, no A/C, am radio, Saginaw 4 speed with 336 gears and Vega 2.3, would out run either in the turns. It weighs 350 lbs less than either v6 or v8. I'm die hard chevy so I'm v8 biased no doubt. The GM Heritage web site in the back has the option books with all the details if anyone is interested in H-Body's out of production for 42 + years. One last thing, I bracket raced my Stock 79 305 Monza 2+2 for a couple of years, and when I wasn't driving at a high rate of speed, I could get 26 mpg. It paid for it's self in 1 month. Happy holidays.
With either 4bolt splayed caps or a 1 piece main cradle encompassing all main caps, I would like to see how this engine does against the Ecotech and LSJ 4cyl GM Racing guys and their DOHC 2-2.6L Setups.
@@RadDadisRad Nah, no need. Pushrods and a single cam will do 7,500+ RPM just fine. With the 4.125" Bore, you can run big LS7 sized valves and top this thing off with either a Canted Valve Edelbrock LS-R or Mast MotorSports Mozez Canted Valve LS Racing Head. To run THAT RPM though, it will need main cap/bottom end strengthening though.
So would I. My long time goal was to swap in a Ecotec into m y 75 Monza 2+2, but couldn't find the RWD stuff I needed. Now this bad boy can do that RWD no problem. And I have NO IDEA if I could even afford it.
You'll have to add about 11-12 lbs of boost to achieve 500 lbs/fet of torque. You'll need premium gas and an intercooler to achieve that torque figure in continuous output.
Going to to greatly depend on what they're going to do to combat vibration, if anything. Once you get north of 4500 it's going to shake like a paint mixer.
@Josh I was thinking of putting my 6.2 lt1 in it at first bought I felt it would be nice with the Amera-Berra...but I also wanted to do ring gap,custom head with cams,custom intake,& just boost the 2.2 that's in it...I don't know how much power the stock block would hold tho.
This would be great in a lancia stratos or other street / race / kit car like factory fives , race car industries, hawk, lister bell, etc. Well you could also put a Ben Alameda Racing Semi Hemi windsor LS 4 valve head on it. The reason Big 4 cylinder engines do not dominate at this time is because of secondary engine imbalance. This limits the rpm, and size of 4 cylinders to the largest being 2.5 liters roughly with current design usage and technologies. However as mentioned a year before below by yours truly, progressions into the realm of larger high rpm light weight 4 cylinders is on the horizon.
This is exactly what manufacturers should have focused on for the last 20 years, instead of ever increasingly complex and expensive power plants. Would love to have one of these NA for a Jeep Wrangler or a Ford Ranger.
ill need this for my jeep LJ, Probably wont sound as great as my cammed jeep 4.0 but such a small package with that much power is awesome i could have plenty of space for my axle to be stuffed up to where normally the other 2 cylinders would be compared to the 4.0 I6 that my jeep came with :D
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Very excited to keep researching this engine and to provide updates along the way! Thanks everyone for your interest!
We are interested indeed! Can't wait to see what you come up with!
I’d absolutely want to put one of these in my 1969 Chevelle Malibu sedan that I inherited from my great grandmother!
Saw this beauty and though the exact thing, want it to come out already so I can dump it in my miata haha, shot for the awesome info in this video and without this video I'd have no idea on this engine possibly coming up, cheers from NZ
I am watching this. If it pans out, I have a project vehicle waiting for it. Very excited!!
Can you do everyone a favor a let them know that those tq and hp are only achieveable through a TURBO?!!!!
This thing is going to EXPLODE in the Jeep world. In the low rpm, “diesel power” configuration it would be an awesome engine for a kit built/experimental airplane. I’m definitely going to be keeping my eye on this one going forward.
def looks like a solid offroad setup. i would like to try that
Be right at home in my xj
Literally explode in a jeep on the road
Airplane would do better with an aluminium block
@@jstdrv it’s probably a 20 Lb difference. Not a game changer
"When equipped with an appropriate turbocharger"
Left that part out
“ When equipped with an appropriate turbocharger.”
Good point. You’re not getting 500ft-lb torque from 3.6 liters naturally aspirated. That’s more torque than a stock LS7 (which has almost twice the displacement).
It’d be plenty *without* a turbo, I’m suspecting.
@dennisyoung4631 On a per liter basis, no more than any other LS engine.
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This engine could fit in so many applications. Jeeps to start with, S10's sound great. Very cool that BPE came up with this engine. I hope it's priced well and sells well. It got my attention!
It’s NOT going to be priced well. Anything as custom as this is going to cost LOTS - certainly a whole lot more than your basic LS3 crate motor (which, by the way, will make more power). If anything, price will kill this idea. Or, at the very least, restrict its use to applications where there is no alternative.
@@matthewstorm5188 Yea, it's fun to dream. It is a good idea for a simple engine with high performance potential.
V-8s fit in all those vehicles that you mentioned also....
Hell, full size trucks with 300 HP and 500LB + take off 200+ pounds.
This would be a gift to the classic car community.
Yeah it would be super cool if you came in a V8 😮😂... for what type of classic? Are there any 4-cylinder classic cars worth restoring?
@@FlipTheTablesI have a 67 two door nova that has an original 4 cylinder in it. This would be so cool!
This would be an epic swap for a Pontiac Fiero, I've always wanted another Fiero with a bit more power but didn't want to 3800 swap or V8 swap one. This is the perfect balance of weight, power and serviceability.
I wonder if this engine could be shoehorned into a Fiat X1/9. I had one, great handling car with a custom paint job it looked awesome. But you had to wring the damn things throat to get anywhere fast, just like with the Fiero it would change the driving effort totally. I worked a year to get a hundred horsepower out of that Fiat and this thing could have given me 300 in a couple of weekends.
I had a Suzuki SX4 that the engine blew sadly I don't have it anymore but I would love to put this engine into it if I still had it and of course have the money to swap it in .
I got to drive a Fiero with a Cadillac Northstar swap. Stupid fun. That is how GM should have built that car.
K series: exists
3800 is arguably one of the most reliable engines you could ever get into…. I wouldn’t shy away from it
Drop it in a gutted miata and fun fun fun
Hell yeah!
The toyota snow wheeling fans would love this beat the 22re all day shit that's more power than the 3.4 I am swapping in my 90 4 runner
This should be in a snowmobile. JS
My first thought was painted green and stick it in a old Willy's military Jeep or a street legal sand rail 🤤
@@kevinwest3689 heck yeah! Theres so many platforms this combo would be a beast in! Add boost to it and ill bet 500 hp would easily be attainable
Good and/or interesting engineering knows no badges.
A commercially available block that will take a GM or Ford, albeit a very old design, head is a brilliant idea.
I think this has a lot of potential and I look forward to seeing what the more adventurous tinkerers out there can come up with using it.
They are filling in the OE head bolt holes and machining new holes for the LS head or Windsor head.
Wasn't the Cleveland 351 better than the Windsor 351 ? 🤔🤔
@@firemanjim324 One could write a very long response to that last question of yours, but overall, yes the Cleveland head was (is?) better and especially the 2V version .... and especially if you raise the exhaust port floor or best of all use what is commonly refered to as a 3V version as made by Cylinder Head Innovations in Australia.
And that's the "short" response 🤣
@@-MacCat- that 3V Aussie head doesn't give up much to the LS3 except price and junkyard availability. I'm pretty hardcore Mopar and even I'd rock one of these with a Cleveland or LS head in a small RWD car, I know where there's some Vega's and Pinto's and even some 70's RWD JDM stuff I would CHEERFULLY stick one of those in
@@jonathangehman4005 Well put Jonathan.
@@jonathangehman4005 a well massaged W2 head would be no slouch.....but an Apache Hemi head would rule them all.
Absolutely love the thought of this. It would be such a compact size being of a pushrod style engine. It would fit in anything
I love this, and what else that’s interesting, is the 2.7 L turbo four-cylinder that GM is currently using it already at over 300 hp and 430 pounds of torque. Wouldn’t be hard to get to this number with that 2.7 L. Anyways, good stuff.
I'm not even into LS engines but I have been following this when I first heard about because I wanna see how it runs in a compact truck or FWD car and I am dying to hear what it sounds like!
Right me 2..🤜🏻💥🤛🏻💯%
3.0 is also found in most 4 cylinder Mercruiser engines , sounds amazing 👏
I've been hearing that.
I just guessing, its a 3.7 mercruise that came with 460 ford head. They swapped to LS.
Definitely not a 3.7 the 3.7 is an aluminum block and it's much bigger it looks like a modified 3.0 that was based on the old Chevy iron duke
@@yunoguy2498 , mercruiser used an older style GM engine ,,the iron duke was a pontiac engine ,,
@@wildcoyote34 thanks for clearing that up I never knew it was made by Pontiac. Turns out the 3.6 LS is based on a industrial engine now made by Origin that originally used a Ford Windsor head. I remember seeing a old 4 cylinder engine in a junkyard with a Windsor head and I'm wondering if it wasn't a Ford design originally but can't find much about it
Half a V8, like the Pontiac Trophy 4 from the early 60's- it used a 389 head, some even came with a 4 barrel carb. Fun little engines, but they to use huge rubber motor mounts and a heavy duty timing chain to deal with all the vibration caused by such a large 4 banger.
A big inch NA 4 cylinder is something a lot of people are definitely interested in. I can think of a Bronco 3rd Gen crawler. A snowmobile. Even a something old school like a Model A.
@@RadDadisRad I love my toyota 2.7l 4 cylinder
They would use a second order balance shaft assembly nowadays. But it adds weight, package, friction and isn't too clever at areating the oil either 😱
@@RadDadisRad I was thinking Model A too! I think those were 3.3 L ?? You gonna twist that chas-sis boi!
@@Midnight_Rider96 The mighty 3RZ
Putting this engine in my 93 wrangler as soon as they make it available. An engine with Ford and Chevy influences put in a Jeep. Trifecta!
Hopefully all the good parts of each, and none of the bad lol
Also looking for one put it in a 1976 Chevy hatchback 💯🇿🇦
The low-end torque version really interests me. I am currently planning to build a 350 with tuned-port injection for my Chevy Suburban and couple it with a Magnum six-speed manual trans. My goal with the build is to maximize torque below 2,500 RPM for towing and fuel economy. A flat torque curve from about 320 ft.lb @ 1200 RPM to a peak of 400 at 2,500 RPM would be great. More torque if possible without increasing displacement or the same torque with a smaller displacement engine that would be better yet.
Don't waste your time or money with the SBC... had a buddy for years who was the same way, with small block Pontiacs. 5.3/4.8 is now plug and play in almost everything. My 09 F150 has a 3v 4.6 (weird 2 year only iron block "mustang" engine) and even at 5600lbs and tall gearing it's small displacement plenty for anything other than an enclosed car trailer... open trailers aren't even noticeable. been a blown alcohol and turbo 6 guy for 20 years, so it's not like I use the term "enough" and horsepower in the same sentence very often. The jump in reliability and performance between SBC to LS is exactly the same as from Flathead to SBC. Don't even have to go efi to get the major benefits.
@@adamconnell5965 And you don't have to replace every single part in the engine if you want more power than stock.
I've been dreaming of building a IMSA Monza tribute for a few years now & when I saw this I immediately thought a turbocharged version of one of these would be awesome to try out. I think Comp CTR6262 would set this thing off beautifully. Turbosmart Straight Gate, big injectors, FT550 to control it all. Back it up with the tried and true TR6060. Could be a beast!!!🤘
Someone welded two extra cylinders to an LS head and somehow bolted it to a 6 cylinder Ford engine it was pretty impressive also
Back in the 70s someone chopped up some boss heads and brazed them together to fit the 300.
@@scotcoon1186 429 or 302?
@@scotcoon1186 that engine has recently been restored! you can find a video of the machinist talking all about the engineering and construction of it :)
Yah there is a LS headed 300 inch inline ford 6 banger on you tube.....the freaken thing is awesome.
I'd like to see a v twin, but still liquid cooled, I think the one I have seen was solid.... Totally useless. I guess good for one hill climb at a time maybe. Anyways fully functional v twin with a six speed cassette transmission but into a flat track racing chassis.... Or if it's too big, not sure the dimensions, maybe just a cruiser, or a cruiser set up for road racing like the "king of baggers" series..... Just honestly not a bagger. Don't like baggers. I like stripped down racing machines with lights on them for night racing.
I can't say that I'm impressed by this. The screen grab @1:29 says that this engine can produce 340HP/500 lb-ft "when equipped with an appropriate turbocharger". So with a turbocharger it produces less than 100HP per liter of displacement. Pretty much every 4 valve four cylinder engine these days will exceed 100HP per liter in N/A form. Plus those two bolt main caps probably won't stand up to a lot of power if someone tries to really put some boost to that engine.
Something hondas have been doing forever.. Same with with Mercedes new turbo 4 that makes 400 hp....
Again, something that hondas have been doing for a long time but people just like to shit on the brand.
Exactly! I`m glad that someone put attention there.
Sounds like fun.
Yep, reading the specs 340hp/500ftlbs, already can tell you that this engine isn’t revving to 5000. Maybe not even 4000.
If it were N/A I would imagine it making maybe 130-150 horses.
But honestly being a motorhead, I and most others like me always want to look at things from the Motorsport performance stand point.
I think this engine really is more about its intended niche, pickups, hauling and generators. And in those roles it genuinely looks fantastic
Since torque is what snaps transmissions, why (other than cool/meme factor) would I want this in my NA Miata over a K20/4 which can safely bolt onto my factory driveline.
If I’m swapping the the whole driveline anyway, I’m just going to put a 5.7 in it for the instant N/A torque.
Glad someone noticed this... The host clearly wanted to make it seem like this engine makes 340HP all on its own as he skipped the "with appropriate turbocharger" part... So much so, he, later on, mentioned "it can also be turbocharged in performance applications" - NOT that it needs turbo to achieve the numbers he boasted about the entire video.
So basically, a cummins 4cyl block, with LS breathing capability, and the ability to handle power additions. Crawlers, mini trucks, Euro swaps, Jeeps! Awesome!
I've always loved an inline four cylinder engine. I use to race a Vega back in the day and two of my fiends raced Pintos. It just amazed me how much power we got out of a 4 cylnder. Now a days the Mustang and Camaro top 300 hp. And this one 340 amazing hp and over 500 ft lbs of torque.
With all this power out of a 4 cylinder who needs a V6 or V8??? My brother in law had a 1964 Stingray that only produced 250 Hp and a 442 that prodiced 350 hp. These engine were much heavier than a 4 cylinder and I'm sure more expensive to manufacture. Who needs any more hp...NOBODY.
This is an amazing engine and hope we see more of it. Thanks for this video and for sharing your knowledge on this engine.
This is fascinating for a guy like me who loves high torque more than high horsepower 😀. Let's be real, most of us aren't driving around doing 150 mph. However, I'm willing to bet most of us love blasting off like a rocket 🚀 to the speed limit before hitting cruise control haha (which I do 😄 😆). 340 hp is a strong number for a daily driver. If its truly a robust block I'm presuming reliability won't be an issue 😊.
That’s more than average hp of a porsche models before going turbo
The power numbers represented already include the application of a “suitable turbocharger”. This four banger does not make the named power without bolt ons. Porsche still wins…
Looks like an awesome engine for a Pontiac Fiero. The supercharged 3.8 buick engine seems to be very popular at the moment. But I can see at least 1,000 of these being ordered for Fieros over the next couple years.
This engine is going to vibrate a lot.
so put a quarter in and have your other half with and enginjoy the ride! lol
It will be a legendary destroyer of drive trains, there’s a reason we don’t get big 4 cylinders
Probably why it started out as industrial powerplant
Yep. It will be rougher than sandpaper without a balance shaft.
Nothing an external balancer couldn’t damper.
Tractors, skid steers, loaders, generators, etc would be a fantastic application for this
I desperately want one of these in a mini truck. Just think of how much fun you could have with this thing in virtually any 4banger economy compact. 340hp econobox? Heck yeah.
This in a ranger or s10 would be fun as hell especially with a single turbo it would be a blast strapped to a 5spd
That exactly what I was thinking
S10 with this oh my..
That's nuts. We specialize in the Honda Big Block (J-Series V6) and the largest V6 we have to play with is a 3.7l. We've made in excess of 320whp (352 crank) on 93 pump in our test 3.2L but with full bolt ons and some head work. Obviously it wasn't an all out NA engine being on 93 pump gas but if this engine is coming off the show room like that is crazy..the 500tq figure is what gets me
Edit - Did I miss this engine had a turbo?? If so, our same J32 3.2L made 550/467 to the wheels on just 8psi. Guess this engine isn't as cool as I thought. DONT SLEEP ON J's!! 😎
So you made more power with a smaller NA engine than this big heavy engine does with a mild turbo.
@@tomstech4390 ahh, I missed it had a turbo
@@tomstech4390 in that case the same J32 3.2L made 550whp/467wtq on just 8psi 😁
Hondas can rev, I doubt this thing will. The 3.0L configuration could have potential.
J-series engines are probably the most undervalued engine currently. If people poured in the same amount of money into Js as they do Ks oh man, game would be completely different.
This is so cool! And we need this as an option. I sure hope more engine options like this happen. Pretty exciting in this day and age of expensive gas.
A 3.6l 4 cylinder is not the asnew your looking for during a gas crisis! This thing is going to be thirsty
@Matthew Heal I know I'm just tired of v8's mostly because the vehicles are heavy, the engines are heavy, and the mpg is ok. I have always liked inline 6's, so this would be lighter and decent all around. I am not afraid of spending money on gas. it's just nice to have something different for a change.
@Matthew Heal plus I once had a 1975 datsun truck, and it was really nice to be able to work on everything under the hood because of all the extra room with a smaller engine in the bay. All these cars nowadays days have no room for your hands to do any work. This option would allow lots of space under the hood. Just nice to think about this under the hood instead of all the bigger v8's
betcha hydrogen will be adapted.
@@petethetaper some guy turned a coyote v8 into a hydrogen v8 and added water injection to it
To keep the crankshaft always turning under a power stroke, a 4 cycle piston engine only needs 4 cylinders. One fact that most gear heads don't remember is that a 4 banger, cubic inch for cubic inch is a torque monster. A single piston is 1/4 of overall displacement, meaning that torque rise is faster than a 6 cylinder or 8 cylinder. So a 3.6L 4 cylinder will make peak HP and Peak torque at lower RPM than a 3.6 L V6 or I-6, or a 3.6L V8. Theoretically with equal volumetric efficiency the I-4, V-6 / I-6 or V-8 will make exactly the same HP and Torque, but the I-4's HP and Torque will be at considerably lower RPM.
Blue Print is a good engine company. If they get to market this, I believe they will have trouble keeping up with orders. Think T-buckets, Model A's, Jeeps, kit cars, small trucks, trikes, boats, exp. aircraft, as well as industrial applications. CRAZY.
That’s a great option for Jeep swaps. Exhaust out of the way for driveshaft clearance. Piles of torque and durability from looks of it and decent torque. Way lighter than a 4.0
I'd drop that Bad Boy in my JK in a heartbeat... Dam a 392!!!
Lots more power than the Jeep YJ 4 cylinder. Might be able to go faster than 65 with larger tires. ha ha
Sounds like an amazing engine swap choice for XJs.
There's been a ton of people asking for a 4-cylinder LS engine. This would be awesome for all sorts of trucks as well as swaps into trucks like a Tacoma that you want to pull a trailer with.
This is so cool... The LS3 Head. I think I'll take two!
If I could get one counter rotating for my old wood boat I would gladly pay you on Tuesday for two engines today. :)
Why didn't he mention the "when equipped with an appropriate turbocharger" part of that sentence? Seems like there are a lot of 4 cylinders that could produce those numbers with an appropriate turbocharger.
This is fantastic, I hope Blueprint engines brings this to production, I'm thinking 1st gen S10 minitruck or Cobalt/Cavalier with a small turbo (because these ls heads flow so well, no need for alot of boost)
I've been building engines since the mid-70's. The GM V8's have always been my favorites along with the 302 Ford and Big Block Chryslers. Favorite 6 in a row, the Ford 300 and now finally a four banger I'd run. I see this engine with a couple side draft Webbers, a distributor and a 4 into 1 outside the frame long tube header with a TKO 5 speed behind it in a '27 T Bucket boiling the hides. Just me .........
not alone one that i want to do the same in my 88 s10
on that one*
The GM Atlas 4200 is a power house inline 6 that nobody talks about.
@@RadDadisRad Funny you should mention that, I just started messing with one. It's larger and heavier, the oil pan presents some issues and a lack of aftermarket support makes it a challenge. Currently I'm working on a 1 into 2 intake to mount 3-42mm Harley CV carbs to feed it and I'm ringing out the out bugs on a standalone ignition. I could just be spinning my wheels but I've found out that in this day and age anything is possible. Just what the performance will be remains to be seen.
A LS inline 6 would be great.
I'm a Ford guy, but I think this is totally badass!!! Image doing a LS VR style engine.
Is there a running example ? I always heard that you couldn’t make a large 4 cylinder because the vibration was too great
Why is no one mentioning that it requires a turbo to hit the 340 HP/500 Tq numbers? It says it in the article. The block by itself doesn't produce it. Requires a turbo. My brother's modded Evo X has similar numbers (slightly less torque) with a 4-cylinder.....
exactly.. at the end of the day K is still king
Maybe because they want to hit the 100bhp per litre of displacement?
Not that it's a new benchmark, the E30 M3 achieved that 25 years ago (with 4 cylinder NA engine).
Edit 35 years ago.
Would be nice for GM to bring back the S10 mini pickup and use this engine. Maybe against the ford new Maverick pickup?🤔
It won't ever happen, would be a cool motor for a Colorado though
Im wondering since today's motors are higher horsepower and get better gas mileage, what could they get milage wise if they took today's fuel efficient high hp engines and made them lower HP 🤔
Well this isn't a GM engine, but it's a cool concept and I might buy a truck if there was anything the size of my Grandpa's 87 S10.
@@JSchroederee after doing some research, I have found out that this a industrial \ commercial 4 cylinder engine that blueprint has adapted the LS3 cylinder head to. The great thing is the back of the engine is set up for GM style transmission, so everything from a 2 speed powerglide to 4L80 should bolt up
My point was that I don't see GM using an engine developed by an outside firm. They could take the hint and do something similar but I doubt they'd use the blueprint engine.
Once you get above 2.0L vibration becomes a big problem and balance shafts are required. In industrial or marine applications the engine usually spends a lot of time at midrange RPM and isn’t required to respond quickly to large changes in RPM. They can get away with big heavy crankshafts and flywheels to offset vibrations. Not sure about a 3.6L 4 Engine for performance street applications without balance shafts. It will be murder on engine mounts and flywheel fasteners.
I'm sure ATI or Fluidamper have solutions to handle the vibrations. While balance shafts are a chealer solution for Hiop apps they are unreliable due to specific RPM needed to operate properly, If Fluidampr designs can truly adapt and operate in the conditions that a large 4 banger would be subject to, it could be possible to make it work without a balance shaft
@@crazylarryjr crankshaft dampers do absolutely nothing for the vibrations you would feel from a 4 cylinder engine. What they do is dampen crankshaft harmonics, not primary or secondary imbalances.
When you’re sitting in a car that’s running, you are not going to feel crankshaft harmonics, you are feeling primary and secondary imbalances in the engine.
Balance shafts are what reduce the primary and secondary imbalances, not crankshaft harmonic vibrations, which is the job of the crankshaft damper.
@@jeffgriffith7003 exactly what I thought when I saw this thing. Harmonics will not be good with any RPM considered "performance". It will rip itself apart.
If they shorten the stroke it will be better. GM/Merc sells (or sold) a 3.0L for decades, and it functions just fine up to 5000. My dad has one in his boat and we run that thing at 5000RPM constantly. Sure, it is on some squishy mounts but nothing has failed on it.
lol im willing to have my truck twist into a twizzler if it means having a 340 horsepower 4 cyl ls in an s10
I love it! So many applications…Jeeps, inboard for small boats, dune buggy, S-10 swaps with huge blow dryers! Make an aluminum block version!!
If NVH's are resolved, this would be perfect for the older Datsun and Toyota minis with a narrowed Ford 8.8 rear, big brake and calipers and the world class 5 spd, or an 8hp transmission with paddle shifters; ooh the possibilities(?).
Edit: A front or rear Sump option needs to be offered as well.
I do think it is a great idea and expect the numbers are like 250 HP and 280 LB/FT of torque naturally asperated. I hope this engine become reality. There are so many uses for it. :)
Excited to see what performance builders can do with this..
I agree man. Big big power waits.
Hear me out Billet block 😅😅😅
4v Cleveland head would be cool… hope the price point doesn’t completely ruin this idea before it gets a chance
...Right 👍🏻 I really want to run that bad boy in my '84 s-10 Durango... I'm over here drooling.
Wow! What an amazing component combination ! Will be a sold out crate engine for many fun projects.
Pontiac did this back in the early 60s as an option in their Tempests. It was a 389 ci v8 chopped in half. I always thought it was such a cool concept and I'm glad to see it's getting a revisit here!
I want to put this in an offroad rig. I think it'd be sick to swap this into an older Bronco or squarebody Blazer.
I think one of these would be amazing for any engine swap project. If only I could get one to fit under the hood of an MG, that would put me on the list for two of them.
9.1" deck height is plenty short
Plus it is definitely more reliable than the British Leyland engine options. Why no forged crank, though. Availability?
This is based on the Iron Duke engine, the 2.5L 4 cylinder used in a lot of GM's offerings in the 1980's. Pontiac built a special super duty version of it that was 3.0L and had a 16 valve head on it if I am not mistaken. Car Craft did a big write up on it back in the day. They were popular swaps for Fieros at the time. TONS of them were installed in S10's and you could even get one in an early 3rd gen Camaro or firebird. I had an '83 Camaro with one in it, had a T5 and a 3.73 gear, stock. Had plenty of drivable power and it would get 30+mpg regularly.
you are very wrong. this engine has no roots to gm ffs. how did you even come up with this bull shit?
This would be a great engine for my old 1975 Vega hatchback ... miss that car sometimes
Any updates?
Brilliant idea. Hope they make millions.
Would love to put one in my old s-10
As you stated, "I could see it in a number of vehicles", well as I do. My first choice would be a first gen f-body, preferably a Pontiac, Sprint clone... I watched J Leno's 68 Firechicken, and fell in love.
I actually love me a 4 cylinder: reachable spark plug access, easy peasy head gasket job, good fuel economy in light car, half the cost to rebuild. Keep your regular car on the road for less money.
This is a huge step up for GM four cylinder engines, from the iron duke engine. I had a Chevy Vega circle track car and I finally had to give up on it. because at the time there wasn't a GM four cylinder engine. that could run with the 2300 2.3L Pinto engines. the Vega four cylinder wasn't any good. and the iron duke would stay together but just wouldn't make enough power. it's too bad this engine wasn't available back then it would have been a game changer.
I’m usually against LS swapping things that are not GM related but this is hella tempting to swap into my Samurai. I’m curious to see how high this thing can rev, if it can rev to at least 6500rpm and produce peak power at 6000. it would be perfect since that’s what I’m working with now with my 1.6 16v SOHC. And maybe they can make an aluminum block version with adapters for various transmissions for the Jeeps and numerous Japanese 4x4s for a naturally aspirated applications
Given the 5.7 rods and 4.05 stroke, this thing has an atrocious 1.41 rod ratio. Something tells me that it's not going to spin very fast.
@@workdogwern4716 Nobody gives a fk about rod ratio but dorks that wanna sound like they are deep thinking engine builders.
@@superkillr Dang killr. Can you hear yourself? Point to where my comment hurt you.
NA will be a huge upgrade for you. Good head and a 4" stroke...
The gm 3.0 4 cyl is used by mercruiser in a LOT of smaller boats and usually makes around 140 horse in that application. This would be an interesting upgrade...
Right, but you have to consider the duty cycle requirements for reliability in a marine environment.
@@Icutmetal I think it would be mostly cruising power with bursts of power to get up on a plane with some low power use for docking. Not too bad.
@@pctrashtalk2069 Right, but think of what cruising power means to a boat vs. a car and the amount of constant load that’s on an engine.
@SwampMonster440 Exactly…
This seems like a great idea for a boat. The need to offer a water cooled exhaust manifold with it.
The Ford Coyote engine would be a great candidate for a 4 cylinder version, as you could re-use the crank - you heard it here first guys ! 😎😃 250bhp at 8200rpm naturally aspirated.
Sounds like you want a Honda F22 or K24 😅
@@johnathan231997 I work for Ford so it's Blue Oval only I'm afraid. I do have a nice C90 though!
Nice !
Volunteer to test drive it in my 76 Celica.
Hopefully they can run it into production soon.
That is an incredible engine, great engineering and use of existing parts from different manufacturers, I'm really looking forward to seeing this thing hit the ground
I think the tricky part would be dealing with vibrations. It's easy to have non-working concept.
it's definitely going to have a very low rpm range
Yes. I don't see a balance shaft so I'm wondering about a 4 cylinder of this size how it will be balanced. Regardless, this is an interesting engine. Too bad it's not a V-4.
@@Dante_S550_Turbo 5000 rpm max?
It clearly states when turbocharged.
This is the engine that was supposed to go in the Fiero! That type of torque at 1800 rpm, would be a great commuter vehicle for the highway.
The torque is awesome!
Our little 17’ SeaRay ski boat has the 3.0L GM engine in it. This would be a darn cool upgrade !
Thanks for this product debut. This would be the ideal engine replacement for my BMW Z3 roadster.
Big injectors Big intercooler , Big turbo etc etc and this thing could go north of 1000hp easy I think 😍
For how long...lol
@@warhound7781 For as long as you want I guess , 3L 2jz's are putting out over 1000hp tires every single day of the year , these are 0.6 Litre bigger 👍👍👍
@@chrisvandy3864 Big difference between this and a 2jz...lmao You seem to be overlooking how big 3.6L as a 4 cylinder is compared to a 3L 6 cylinder. And one is automotive based vs industrial equipment...lol
@@warhound7781 lamo I don't really care to be honest I own an over 1000hp 2JZ and also an 800hp 1JZ ........ I know enough about automotive and industrial equipment 👍
@@warhound7781 Build it right the first time around and you have a lot less dramas down the track are my thoughts ,
It's definitely worth it, small compact and big power and torque is unreal. These type of engines make sense to make
Imagine a Fiero with this engine. 😇
Or Miata 🤩
Suzuki Samurai
@@brandonrobertson6327 yes
Important to mention the 340 hp figure is with a turbo. A k series with a turbo will make 500 hp without internal mods
I'd drop the 3sgte out of my swapped 1998 rav4 and put this in. But of course it costs money, and I don't have that. Only reason I was able to out the gte in my rav4 was because I got it for 270 bucks and an aftermarket ecu from a junked charger from a u-pull and modified the wiring myself.
I honestly want this kind of power for my little Rav 4 because I do lots of road trips, last year I was travelling Appalachians in VA and flooring it I could on go 45 in 2nd gear on alot of the roads. With a 2300lb teardrop camper I bought for these road trips I had to abandon it at a gas station near the base of the mountain because just climbing out of the valley I could tell that even the gte was struggling. I knew my axles and drivetrain could take it since they were a combination of Celica gt four and rav4.2 components which are way more beefy and gave me rear disc brakes as well. But that 3sgte has no where near the torque this thing has. It would be perfect for my road trip nugget. Here's to hoping I win the lotto some day or get a 40 dollar wage increase. Then I'll go for this or a 2j. I still haven't returned for the camper but the owner of the gas station has it in their backyard still, I said they can use it until I have the means to drive it back.
I would love to put this in my 75 Monza 2+2. With a max hp of 110 Vega 2.3....even with just 340hp, it would be a blast to drive. The car weighs 2950. I have been holding off on doing a v8 conversion for a long time. This Chevy compatible 4cyl would be the hot ticket.....If I can afford it. I'll be following.
Those came with a Buick 3.8 which is a better swap than a V8 imo.
@@ostrich67 I have a 79 Monza 2+2 with the 305, and I know several people who have the 3.8 Buick engine in their H-Body.
I tried for months to find a used 75 or 76 V8 Monza....and nobody was trading them in. I settled for the 2.3 4-speed instead. When I got to ride in a V8 monza, I understood why. The 3.8 is ok for daily driver, but the V8 was a no contest win. I purchased my 79 in June 2006.
@@mikef-gi2dg the 3.8 handled better because there was far less weight in the nose. Probably the V8 is faster in a straight line, but that gets boring eventually.
@@ostrich67 Actually both handle very good, even in the snow. The weight difference isn't much....a v6 with a/c...power brakes, power steering, upscale trim package....the most common combination is within 79lbs + - of a V8 with ac, manual brakes, manual steering am radio and basic trim package and hatchback like my 79. My 75 with manual brakes, steering, no A/C, am radio, Saginaw 4 speed with 336 gears and Vega 2.3, would out run either in the turns. It weighs 350 lbs less than either v6 or v8. I'm die hard chevy so I'm v8 biased no doubt. The GM Heritage web site in the back has the option books with all the details if anyone is interested in H-Body's out of production for 42 + years. One last thing, I bracket raced my Stock 79 305 Monza 2+2 for a couple of years, and when I wasn't driving at a high rate of speed, I could get 26 mpg. It paid for it's self in 1 month. Happy holidays.
@@mikef-gi2dg 4piston makes a Honda k24 stroked to 2.7L that makes over 500WHP NA.
With either 4bolt splayed caps or a 1 piece main cradle encompassing all main caps, I would like to see how this engine does against the Ecotech and LSJ 4cyl GM Racing guys and their DOHC 2-2.6L Setups.
I bet you could install the Mercury Racing LS DOHC cylinder head on this. Maybe get 7,500 rpm
@@RadDadisRad Nah, no need. Pushrods and a single cam will do 7,500+ RPM just fine. With the 4.125" Bore, you can run big LS7 sized valves and top this thing off with either a Canted Valve Edelbrock LS-R or Mast MotorSports Mozez Canted Valve LS Racing Head. To run THAT RPM though, it will need main cap/bottom end strengthening though.
@@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915 nah. You need more cylinders or more lift/duration/flow to do those kinds of rpms
Well, displacement size is nearly double the Eco tech, and those numbers are w/ turbo. I hope this thing gets some love
So would I. My long time goal was to swap in a Ecotec into m y 75 Monza 2+2, but couldn't find the RWD stuff I needed. Now this bad boy can do that RWD no problem. And I have NO IDEA if I could even afford it.
You'll have to add about 11-12 lbs of boost to achieve 500 lbs/fet of torque. You'll need premium gas and an intercooler to achieve that torque figure in continuous output.
Pounds of boost you might need to know the turbo size bud. Turbo size matters not lbs
I’d absolutely want to put one of these in my 1969 Chevelle Malibu sedan that I inherited from my great grandmother!
How is this engine not a thing sounds lovely!!
Going to to greatly depend on what they're going to do to combat vibration, if anything. Once you get north of 4500 it's going to shake like a paint mixer.
Yep exactly, but putting this in a light hotrod with a limiter at say 4200 or so, would be so fun and would last forever
Lol. 2 diesel balancers ought to fix that.
@Jalopy Jalopy would love to see this be capable of at least 6. I want one for my Fiero 😄
Who needs to rev that high with 500 # torque. Just grab the next gear at 3K.
This would be dope in my '86 Toyota pickup
Was thinking the same for my 85 lol
@Josh I was thinking of putting my 6.2 lt1 in it at first bought I felt it would be nice with the Amera-Berra...but I also wanted to do ring gap,custom head with cams,custom intake,& just boost the 2.2 that's in it...I don't know how much power the stock block would hold tho.
I have a 2000 s-10 with a 5 speed and that would be absolutely perfect, even naturally aspirated.
Absolutely!
just buy a $200 junkyard LS, and you can thank me later
Same here. At 6500ft. It's a dog. This could be a fun engine.
What are they doing about the heavy secondary harmonics produced by swinging those big pistons in a 4 cylinder?
This would be great in a lancia stratos or other street / race / kit car like factory fives , race car industries, hawk, lister bell, etc. Well you could also put a Ben Alameda Racing Semi Hemi windsor LS 4 valve head on it. The reason Big 4 cylinder engines do not dominate at this time is because of secondary engine imbalance. This limits the rpm, and size of 4 cylinders to the largest being 2.5 liters roughly with current design usage and technologies. However as mentioned a year before below by yours truly, progressions into the realm of larger high rpm light weight 4 cylinders is on the horizon.
This would be a good Jeep 2.5L 4cyl swap upgrade.
Yes, I have been thinking about trying to put a LS head on a jeep 2.5 Squirrel block???
Or replacement for tired 4.0 liters. Lots of people use the 4.6 stroked that doesn’t produce quite that spec and weighs significantly more.
Would be cool to see more stuff like this has potential.
This kinda makes the LS cool again.
Hey why not!
Sounds good to me!
Some one is finally thinking outside the box with longevity and very easy maintenance in mind!
This engine would be great in my TJ Jeep Wrangler
It’s been a year. Haven’t heard anything about this going into production.
Perfect Im about to get an 88 s10 and this will be major
Shades of the Pontiac Tempest 4 cylinder!
That thing would go into my 65 Ranchero!
Crazy how there isn’t any video of it actually running
This seems like the ultimate 4x4 engine.
This is exactly what manufacturers should have focused on for the last 20 years, instead of ever increasingly complex and expensive power plants. Would love to have one of these NA for a Jeep Wrangler or a Ford Ranger.
A pinto with a few go fast bits and turbo makes that kind of power no problem
ill need this for my jeep LJ, Probably wont sound as great as my cammed jeep 4.0 but such a small package with that much power is awesome i could have plenty of space for my axle to be stuffed up to where normally the other 2 cylinders would be compared to the 4.0 I6 that my jeep came with :D
That's totally awesome, the perfect little sleeper motor.