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leveling dungeons in retail vs classic
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 พ.ค. 2023
- Did a wailing caverns on my hardcore hunter the other night. I built the group so that I was the only leather user. I got a lot of good armor but no bow. I did play retail for like a day and a half. I made a few alts and had fun trying various classic dungeons at low lvls, as well as doing some bgs. I have been playing a lot of hardcore classic and miss pvp. Retail was actually pretty fun i hadn't played it since december of last year. Hope you like this meme.
Retail was actually pretty fun to mess around on, I hadn't played it since december of last year
They know what they're doing on the mechanics side of things for sure,just wish they kept a bit more of the "societal bonds are necessary", know what I mean?
Anyway, earned a sub!
@@gioelecarratelli4593 Ty!
yeah retail is in a great state right now. DF really turned it around. i love the immersion of classic but i want the challenge and depth of retail
Honestly, both retail and classic are fun for different reasons. Retail is more fast paced and complex, classic is grindier but arguably more rewarding and more of an adventure, just depends on the mood you're in.
what exactly is complex about pulling everything and then just explode it all
@@animalm4st3r The rotation, the amount of abilities enemies have, the amount of mechanics bosses have, etc. Trash mobs in retail have as many mechanics as bosses in classic, it's more complex.
@@DankMemes-xq2xm what mechanics? you ignore everything and go cleave. and thats what you do all the way up to Mythic+10
@@animalm4st3r cool, in classic that's all you do period. At least in retail once you get beyond mythic +10 you have to think about stuff.
@@animalm4st3r You're telling me you dont have a psychical reaction to big numbers?
that monk tank was literally just pressing 1 button the entire video lol
It was a mistweaver (healer spec) monk who queued as a dps 🤣. Some level 10 broken scaling they use to power level with one button
@@Ross_2312 I encountered a few of those players at lvl 11 selling runs. They use that scaling and gems to one shot everything
I think the most I’ve learned from your vids is that 90% of wow players are bad at the game, in every version
Lmao
Also drunk or high
@@Alucard404 100%
I was hoping that you'd show someone leave your group or DC as soon as you get to the classic dungeon and you'd have to fill and wait for that person 😂
in my experience so far, if that happens there's like a 50% chance that someone else leaves because of it, which then causes someone else to leave, and then the entire group disbands lmao
Eso es lo que falto
classic = group talking together, enjoying the journey. retail = soulless communityless adhd dopamine machine
but that's nonsense - I play on a bugged unbalanced dead classic WotLK server and it's about as much fun as if I ritually pierced myself with a katana - the community is toxic, the generation of 15 years ago now has families and works - they don't have time to swim through the texture for an hour for "fun"
@@romankazimir784 go play HC
Boomer
@@romankazimir784that's because everyone plays non wotlk. Except you ofc.
@@romankazimir784 man these people replying to you are either delusional or on copious amount of copium.
The fiddling around with abilities while in dg que is so real
queue*
@@atrozzorta9602 que *
One is a loot & exp dispenser.
The other one is an adventure
Delusional copium take
an adventure swimming the same zones u did 20 years ago?
@@boredgamer7841 Not really, some people like to take things slow and explore.
Not everybody who doesn't share your opinion is delusional. That's, ironically, a pretty delusional take.
@@shawnmallon2833 There is no swimming involved, there was no need to do any of that, it's just put there as a comedic exaggeration, they could have gone from Darnassus in boat Darnassus/dark shore/ratchet, literally 5m tops if they get the ships in time, or If they decided to go from booty bay just run the way from stranglethorn, only a couple of hard mobs if they follow the road, easily avoidable, then boat and done, maybe 10m to cross the whole thing if they never got the griff, and that's cause as an alliance they wanted to go to a horde dungeon, could as quickly gone for SW's Stockades, Dun Morogh's Gnomeran, or westfall's Deadmines. you are reading too much into it trying to defend retail.
@@vincentproud6589 the game is quite old, how slow do they like to take it?
Hearing B0atys intro was probably the last thing on my list of expectations for this video lmao
bro as an osrs player I heard the song and my brain said "whats goin on guys b0aty here" and then it fucking happened lmaooo
pretty sure theres just a community of retail players that stop experience and just grind dungeons forever for fun, makes levelling my toons a lot faster so i cant complain lmao
The OG boaty intro had me dying
I love both games. Classic is the slow enjoyable journey with a great community and retail is pushing everything over the limit. I'm a dungeon lover and the best time for me was when we had the old CM mode. Pulling from boss to boss, getting regional records. That was so nice.
I loved challenge modes. I got pandaria gold , but only did a couple in wod, i wish i finished them
Everyone in retail is Leeroy Jenkins
that boaty into got me good
Retail is just easy mode for the depressed dopamine fiends.
That retail dungeon gameplay looks so boring that I can safely say that I preffer the swiming in classic, haha.
That exactly what I thought, the video was mocking Classic with the swimming, but I'm here like.....yer I'd choose that over the ridiculousness of the retail instance which looked even more bland.
@@Omegalux y, exactly. They tried to make that dungeon look fun but actually looked boring and dull. Haha.
So happy you used the boaty intro version
Hell ya
Retail: Infinite mana, no strats, faceroll keyboard, dungeon offers no challenge and no meaningful loot.
At max level mythic + changes this, but while leveling, you pretty much summed it up
retail dungeon leveling is such a pain
you feel like a god level 10. monk especially, because you just get lifestealing on your weapon, then pull everything and spam spinning crane kick
by level 49, you can't even hope to match 10% of said monk's damage output. if you try to heal them, the heals are nerfed to the point you could dump your entire mana bar and it won't heal them to full hp
if you're running dungeons you're better off finding a lvl 10 twink to carry you, which i'm sure is fun for everybody involved :^)
Now do a comparison of raids in classic where you spam frostbolt against a target dummy boss that dies so quickly that he does 0 mechanics versus mythic raiding in retail. Or high mythic+ keys to any dungeon in classic. Sure leveling is faceroll in retail but the endgame content is also 100X harder than anything in classic.
I mean even normal raidng / m0 are more demanding and that’s saying a lot. You legit have more abilities as lv 20 than an endgame classic toon (any xpac so far).
On the other hand why bother comparing? Two versions are good for different reasons
Classic wotlk ftw
Idk. The classic era was HC server so you have to communicate so everyone doesn’t die. Normal classic era or wotlk classic nobody really talks they just want their exp and gear to hit max asap. Retail is just a race to the last boss grab the loot bag and que again
Classic 2019 people were pretty social, haven’t played wotlk since the first month or so, and I did notice people were less social and more “time is money” mindset.
I remember leveling to 40 in retail without needing to party up.
Heck; I didn't even know you could do quests with others.
When classic came out; I was practically forced to party up to finish several quests.
I guess it depends who you ask, personally; I much prefer the social aspect.
this video is going to piss people off. I love it.
There is a fine line between the game not holding your hand and being a sadomasochist wanting to play classic. Hardcore is on another level altogether.
Classic: "After 55 minutes we're finally at the dungeon"
Retail: "Queues for 8th run"
I tho you were going to compare how dungeons in retail are basically faceroll on the keyboard speedruns VS. How in classic you actually needed to cc trash and coordinate with your ground before pulls
Just did wailing caverns, it was super easy none of that really we just blew through it. For some of these “comparisons” i mostly am trying to make a joke, more than give in depth deep comparisons. I could try that sometime but i need to level my hunter on classic to be able to feature some of that better.
@@Ross_2312 no doubt people learned to do dungeons in the game after 19 years but you still had to learn it
In retail you don't even have to think just run and spam 1 button. Your video basically shows it
But speaking of classic try hardcore mode and it's hard again
@@kahowka his guild name is zero deaths. Pretty sure he is experiencing hc atm
not sure if much has changed but the last time I played retail it felt so bad with the level scaling, making you feel like youre getting weaker as you lvl up, then randomly you get grouped with a lvl 10 who is carrying you through the dungeon because they are getting scaled out the ass
@@dancinglight8411 yep
You forgot the part where when you enter the dung in classic , someone DC or have to go .
from watching this you might think that classic wow is boring and dull, while retail is exciting and enjoying. this is only the surface in my opinion.
retail is a resemblance our decadent society, while classic resembles more how real-life actually is. usually you don't get eat cake all the time (experience action without any effort as in retail). it's almost like doing drugs, because the sensations provided by nature are not enough. you will need more, and more intense triggers. it is unhealthy in so many respects. in reality you have to grind resources with a lot of effort, prepare and cook your food until you can finally eat. this is more resembled by classic wow. the feeling of reward is much greater after a long phase of effort and extending resources. this is normal, natural and healthier. that's why, imo, classic wow in general provides more enjoyment than retail. that's why, imo, classic wow hasn't died out after all this time. since blizzard has revived classic, it has had multiple hypes. and even before that, through all the other addons, classic wow has been alive on private servers.
I also think retail is totally overengineered. it is difficult to create a good game. but it is contra-intuitive to create an excellent game.
Man I literally thought my b0aty episode was playing when I heard that!!!
B0aty is a legend
they are swimming even till this day
People need to understand that not everbody can afford to take 1h just to get into a dungeon, good on you if you can.
Wish the video had shown atleast a little of the classic combat lol but anyways loved all the videos so far
Classic combat? You mean each person pressing one button on cooldown while auto attacking?😂
@@StarShopping69 ret paladins being oom 20 seconds in and not being able to press anything but autoattack. classic gameplay
They just wiped at the first trash group. :D
After a couple of runs, having to waste 10 to 30 min just to get to the dungeon gets annoying.
On one hand, classic gives you a real adventure and a reason to travel the world for items that really make an impact on your leveling experience
On the other hand retail offers you access even when there are not many players on your server so that you get the chance to enter the dungeon at any time.
The best soltion wouldve been x-realm but without the dungeon teleportation. If there is no need to interact with the world then there is no reason to call it "MMO"-rpg. There is nothing massive about the game anymore in retail.
and why do you think retail needs to offer "acces"?
Because less and less people stick with it... DF ain't all that great.
mythic raid and high keys. thats what make people on retail interact with each other
Lots of boomers high of copium. Retail is about end gsme now not leveling. Dragon flight brought back talent trees and it’s the best it’s ever been. You guys have never played it. I played old wow it’s fun but it’s old and it’s all nostalgia.
I have played it. I quit df after one month. Im making a video now called “the wow new player experience.” The more i play retail the less i want to go back to classic hc 😂
55 minutes finding party members as a dps and also getting to WC as ally? That's really fast!
Retail version doesnt even feel like a dungeon. Just aoe everything down and no real need for a tank or healer
Clueless.
yes. while ur leveling its like that because leveling hasn't been the focal point of retail wow since wrath. maybe go try m+ and be amazed how much more challenging the newer dungeons are compared to the dungeons that came out 15 years ago?
@@jaded-harper well players first experience in the dungeon is normal or heroic version. Not some m+10. If your first experince doesnt feel like anything but boring, it doesnt encourage you to play more. Retail has big problem retaining new players cause everything feels numb and boring and meanignless until you get the mythic stuff. And until then you have seen the same place so many times... "game gets good after 100 hours" doesnt inspire many people.
@@aapoapina7390 thats why they sell boosts and u get a free boost every xpac. + leveling is very fast. it takes maybe 6-8 hours to get to max doing timewalking. I cant argue that the leveling experience isnt fun but im not really sure what they could to do fix that. most retail players DONT want leveling to take long from what i can tell and blizz has designed the game with these people in mind. classic and retail are basically completely different games at this point lol. its hard to even compare the two at this point because the design philosophies are so different
in retail you don't care what's going on screen as long as you don't die
you don't even know your group names or classes or even what they say
you don't even know what the loot name
nothing matters in retail
That's literally just while leveling, retail is designed around end game group content, if you find a decent guild to raid with, or a group of friends to push mythic plus with the difficulty spike can be insanely rewarding
@@lachlanstevenson9636 it's asian game design where due to overpopulation people play to smash countless hordes of enemies.
in western fantasy it's about adventure. like kill one monster and feel something instead of killing hundreds and die of boredom
@@Avrelivs_Gold you've obviously never played retail at a high enough level if you honestly believe that.
@@lachlanstevenson9636 you obviously play retail too much to understand how broken it is
@@Avrelivs_Gold Do you even play retail? I've experienced both games at high levels, I'm not talking down classic there is no need to take it personally, classic is the journey, but retail is about difficulty through systems and has a significantly higher skill ceiling and floor, it's just a fact.
WHATS GOING ON GUYS, BOATY HERE!
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Fellow b0aty enjoyer
bruh when u put on super sayan during retail dungeon i thought it was gonna be the gachi version. just cannot unhear those slaps everytime i hear this song😂
Love the b0aty intro
HC hype HC hype!
Deserve a like for that boaty intro
i don't understand all the videos right now. You all cry for years and want everything easier and faster. And now you have everything easy and fast and realise that this destroys the fun of a mmorpg. How you couldn't see that all the years guys?^^
I personally never enjoyed the dumbing down of the game. I come from everquest where dying meant losing exp (sometimes a level) and all your armor and stuff you had on you.
that monk is def a twink lol but this is so true
This reminds me just how incredibly bad and depressing Retail is, no danger, no journey, no community...just a dull, repetitive hamsterwheel and a raid, mythic+ simulator.
The fact your character is a god able to solo 100+ mobs from lvl 1 and nothing actually matters in the world is when i look for the uninstall button on battle net and don't look back, the game is just so off putting... It's definitely not WoW...or even an MMORPG anymore, gone completely off the rails and i watched it all gradually happen over 2 decades.
then your healer or tank leaves the dungeon group
What’s going on guys b0aty here
g0aty
Id rather click on a "find group" button, than swim for an hour just to get to the dungeon
WHATS GOING ON GUYS B0ATY HERE
I realize in BC they made leveling faster, but it wasnt a complete joke until the next expansion. At that point you couldn't possibly do all the quests in a zone without out leveling them and you really had to try to die. Then I took some time off and when I came back even the dungeons were a joke. I remember asking which mob I should trap and the tank laughed.
When the tank ran in and pulled 15 mobs i freaked and then realized the healer wasnt even healing but casting spells and another person was afk and the tank killed them all.... i was like wow this sucks
TBC heroic dungeons before SCC/TK came out was probably my favorite pve experience in WoW.
how do they manage to make the game more ugly then the version from 19 years ago
what is the music you played during the retail parts
“Boaty intro extended” i dont know the original song name but it should mention it if you find that video
Lol that b0aty intro song 😂
Silly monk shoulda swapped to mistweaver and he would do like double damage with spinning crane kick
He was mw
You either like to have your time wasted on nonsense or not, no middle ground.
The instance on retail looked more like a mindless racetrack. Wish we actually saw some footage inside the classic instance to give a better comparison.
wotlk classic was fun to leveling and do Naxx once in. Endgame is just so boring and simple to have staying power outside of just leveling. Anyways, back to retail mythic prog and pushing M+.
LMAO bro i wish i could have grouped with you for a retail dungeon vid. I speed run for fun on my twinks. I can do any TBC dung in under 5:30 min. and could easily do any classic dung under 7 in both cases. WIUTHOUT A HEALER. my mistweaver monk tank is broken af. I use to level boost people for gold
These are great vids btw. Love the concept - you da man G
I kind of want to make a mw tank now 😂
@@Ross_2312 Here wow armory for my Mistweaver tank Twink worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/emerald-dream/doubletime
Life stealing is broken as hell with scaling + crane kick. legit unkillable.
Stat prio is Vers>Crit>Mastery
Hardest part about running dungeons like this is actually if the dps decide to do dmg, cus it fucks my pull. But yeah Stack up on some swift pots, use the sprint talent that monks have and just GO expel harm heals my for like 70% of my health lmao. Hidden satyr enchant does way too much dmg, you could run dragonling if you want but i like burst trinket + pit fighter. Speed boots. If youre giga chad and lucky you can do some dungeons like Wod and Mop to have a chance for gear to drop with Speed stat like i have on my helm.
Its like my fav form of twinking now with how much they gutted lvl 20 twinks. Rock a fun PvE twink - too bad i cant timewalk with it.
I wonder how many people play retail just to troll and sabotage people's groups. I almost joined that camp but even that is a waste of money.
My SM runs on classic looked pretty close to the ones on retail.
Warrior runs in, makes a big pack, the three mages AoE it down, repeat.
Didn't a group do the entire cathedral at once in the recent classic HC tournament?
Im not sure i did not watch the hc tournament. The main difference is a lvl 10 healer monk soloing the dungeon, vs 3 of the best aoe farming class. On season of mastery i played healer priest and would do 4 mage sm runs and it was fun.
@@Ross_2312 A fully decked out lvl 10 monk with whacky scaling working in his favour.
I he had locked his level just to pull this sort of things off given you gained at least a level between the first and last clip while he gained none. And frankly that's pretty cool.
I like this guy's dedication... Unless it's some scheme to boost people through dungeons.
Anyway, that's not any more degenerate than my 7-8 min ZF tomb runs back when classic released. The limiting factor was the amount of dungeon resets per hour.
I ran those AoE comps all the way to LBRS for some crazy xp/hour.
Except this guy most likely spent a lot of time getting all this gear with the enchants and gems, while I could get 3 mages and a tank in less than 20 min.
Anyone else look at this and think classic looked more fun
This is great! Keep the series going! Lol
I think the dungeon finder is great, the raid finder however is the thing that ruined a lot of raids
true raid finder is too hard
How exactly did it ruin it. Explain please
@@ivelin1603 i'm wondering the same, whats wrong with the RF? i haven't used it once
first thing i noticed was the classic group actually talking to each other compared to the glorified bot groupmates of retail lol
Underrated observation
That's because it's not a fair comparrison. Try doing some high-level Mythic+ dungeons, the content people actually play, and you'll see people strategising and talking with each other.
@@RicksonGM the video is called "leveling dungeons" they were both leveling dungeons, but ya you will need more coordination in m+ which will result in more communication
Yep, retail is a lot more fun, hated spending 40+ minutes getting to a dungeon lol
Classic dungeons actually train you slowly for raids at 60, while retail caters to cry babies who want to speedrun a dungeon in 5 minutes because they have dinner waiting on them. Then when they get max level, you have a bunch of idiots who have no clue what they're doing.
It's even worse cause somehow you go to your first raid and ppl are already expecting you to know every bit of the boss mechanics cause they need to do it in 5m, it doesn't matter if you've never done it, go watch a YT video and spoil the fun of discovery. It's not just WoW retail, it's every MMORPG, it's the fact that ppl only care about "endgame" so every company dumbed down on every single dungeon before that, its all a breeze till you get to "endgame" (if you didn't get bored before that) and then go jump in groups of 10-20 other dudes you don't know and want to rush everything.
As a fellow retail player, fix your retail UI, its nasty.
Lol haven’t played much retail since they changed the ui. I mostly tried to keep it similar to the old one, but the ui scale is a bit high and makes it cluttered
Tbh, Retail's dungeon experience just far outmatches the classic one, mainly because you don't have to spam nor wait an hour to do a specific dungeon, you just press a button and you do it.
Meeting people through classic dungeons is a myth, specially in the low level ones
Ehh, i do like the convenience of retail dungeons. You definitely meet people, and have conversations on classic. Hardcore has revitalized classic, and I think part of why people are more social and patient with the classic (hardcore) dungeons is the threat of your character being deleted, as well as how long it can take to form and travel.
Nah, it's not a myth, Many good friends made there even in the recent classic releases.
how is a lvl 10 even in SM?
In retail lvl 10 can do most dungeons. They changed the leveling where mobs scale to you so you can quest wherever starting at 10
I tried shadowlands about a year ago. Fast to level etc. But i came to not enjoy the mythic plus dgs as heals due to people dying faster than my heals could heal them. Not every heal is insta cast. I said f it by then. Too bad becuase i did find it fun for the most part
Mythic+ can be very overwhelming especially for healers. It can be fun, but helps if you try lower keystones to gear and learn the mechanics and how to use cds. Mythic + healing can really be tricky until you learn where to use your cds throughout the pulls in the dungeon
Retail had the LFG thing down tho. They just force a group together unlike classic where everybody just tosses aside the weaker geared people or preferring certain classes/specs.
I play wotlk atm which is still a similar experience and literally nobody does that while leveling. People invite who they can and even offer to help most of the time. Never seen anyone toxic so far after 100hrs of playing.
I tell you if I log into retail wow and post 3 Cutting edge achievements to the groupleader of a +7 key he would decline me because i play a class thats slightly below S tier....
Oh, retail definitely has players getting tossed aside too. Leaders seem to be really peculiar about who the want in their mythic + group, even if it's low keystone level.
then you realize in retail as you level up doing dungeons they get harder and you get carried by level 10s cause scaling is utterly fucked. In classic they actually get easier until you do harder dungeons until eventually your soloing max level content cause gear matters.
see? this is another proof that retail is much better gameplay
Classic is a journey, retail is a mess 🤷🏼 (I hope they got their flying points in booty bay and ratchet)
I hope you make a Video about raiding Classic vs retail, where u explain How easy Classic is and How much skill you in retail Need :)
Actual WoW- grinding bull sh….
Vanilla hardcore WoW - classic mmo
Vanilla WoW - porn version of actual WoW ((
Even swimming to the middle of nowhere in classic is better than that absolutely awkward and brainless "rush through the dungeon spamming aoe" gameplay.
2:00 song name?
Darude - Sandstorm
Michael calfan - resurrection is the original. This one in the vid is “boaty intro entended version.” OG runescape youtuber had the first part as his intro for a long time.
TBH: In Retail you would have cleared like 2-3 Full Dungeons in these 55min esp. as a Tank or Healer since you get instant Invites to Dungeons xD if you need this time for a Leveling-Dungeon you are slow af ^^ Max. 15-20 mins and this in a Dungeon like UBRS or so xD
I mean I get your point but why completly butcher the message by showing a twink carrying you through a dungeon, just like this video (th-cam.com/video/r_gMp7W2ciY/w-d-xo.html) does not show how level 1 in classic is easy, this video does nothing to actually "compare" classic and retail, rather just poisons the well.
Itsameme
Oh WoW look at that, you log in to play the Game and you actually play It, amazing.
And look at the other you log in to play the Game, you play walking simulator for 1 hour and you have to log out cause you have a Life.
Insane right?
i'll never understand classic andys who seem to enjoy this broing old game, i played it twice now, original and 2019 but man i dont wanna go back to boring ass rotations boring ass cleared dungeons and having to spam "LF TANK" for 20 mins.
Retail WoW is clearly just a joke of a game, Blizzard should just shut it all down and delete the retail servers...only Classic Hardcore offers any kind of enjoyment as WoW did 19 odd years ago...
Whens the last time you tried retail? More people still play it than anything else lol
@@Ross_2312 Does not mean its a good game and does not change the fact its a shadow of what WoW originally was. I do not need to play it, just watching people play it for 5 mins shows me all I need to know, the game literally has zero soul. Its just a thempark loot pinata, hand held bore fest....
@@Ross_2312 Is that actually true? Curious what you base that on.
I know Twitch metrics don't tell the whole story but that seems like the complete opposite.
@@sheepanoid3154 plenty of server population websites, that record # of active max level players
Your opinion is not a fact. A ton of people, myself included, enjoy retail.
@MyNameIsB0aty