fl0m Reacts to cadiaN Benched from Liquid Rumors
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cadiaN replaced before YEKINDAR? Nah, I am convinced YEKINDAR has some dirt on the owner or something at this point.
Bro……
*yekindar is playing bad*
*skullz has no impact on T side*
Liquid: we should kick Cadian
skullz has no impact* there fixed it for you
@@DakotaTheRota no, on CT he holds his spots well.
T side he switched roles for naf i believe they play the same role so he had to go to entry or something like that so I mean you can’t blame to to much
Fyi talking about skullz
have you guys saying skullz has no impact just never watch liquid games?
@@dornoko9969 skullz has impact on CT but on T he does nothing.
Please kick yekindar
The fact Yeki isn't on the chopping block tells me all I need to know. Someone over there is huffing paint.
they gonna lose supporters of team liquid if yekindar doesnt leave before cadian.
Of all the people to kick, cadian???????? WHAT??
How the fuck would you replace an awp-IGL? No shot kekindar goes IGL again, he's already playing abysmal as is. And even if you do, you probably can't find an awper of cadian's caliber, let alone finding a good international IGL.
If changes have to be made, and it definitely looks like it, then we know who to sub and that's def not cadian.
yekindar is long gone, at one point was the best entry in the world, cadian was at his peak back in heroic, the rest skullz is meh, naf is rain 2.0 can be insane but the majority of time he is average, twistzz might be the best player but he already won it all, theres no motivation or true belonging in this prefabricated team.
bench all expect NAF and twistzz, then bring back NA Core with Elige, + AWP and IGL(seperate)
@@elextures old school NA core was miles better than this plastic invention of a team.
@@elexturesi agree, though there isn't a top IGL nor a AWP on the market let alone somewhere in the world.
cadian is IGL/AWP which means if you kick him there’s two options
1.Yekindar goes to IGL and they sign an AWPER
2.They kick another player and sign an AWPER and an IGL
Both of those options seem really bad when they obvious choice is to kick Yekindar
Even if yeki is the other player kicked it's still bad. Who are you going to pick up for igl? Hampus? Now how about the awp? What a shit show
See, none of this makes sense unless, hear me out, they're looking to sign a certain benched Ukrainian awper...
@@noicemanS1mple returns to liquid???????. You might need meds but i want it to happen
@@xlgapelsin6173 Right? It makes a weird kind of sense. Liquid have the money. I'd kick Cadian, Yekindar and Skullz, then pick up S1mple, sNax and jKs.
@@noiceman jesus what a shitshow
Team Liquid should have been a juggernaut with this roster. For them to seriously contemplate Benching Cadian is a major red flag.
I agree with Fl0m 100%. They should be better but someone has a horrible mindset. It needs to be fixed ASAP (Which I hope it does). "Let Cadian be Cadian" should be a no-brainer...
so all those vlogs about the team retreat and stuff was bs? tf are the coach and psychologist are doing .. bad team atmosphere? this is wild stuff
cadiaN's numbers in 2024 haven't been at his level (usually around 1.1 he is at 1.03) but if you can honestly tell me that a guy who is IGLing a completely new identity and is CLEARLY being told to reduce his energy, despite the fact that that is what makes him who he is, is the problem, then you are a joke. Especially because cadiaN is still the 3rd highest rated player on the team behind the Canadians!
and, like fl0m said, THEY ARE JUST OUTSIDE THE TOP 10
Probably has to do with this energy expert/namaste nonsense. They need to let the dogs out to hunt not put a muzzle on them
Considering benching cadian (awp/igl/clutch god who has only been there like 3 months) before yekindar is genuinely stupid. Yekindar is not doing his job in the server properly, constantly throws rounds, and half the time is playing like a weird psuedo lurker role instead of being the entry fragger he was famous for being. I also have a hard time believing yekindar is not the problem because Yekindar was good when he was first signed with liquid and filled the gap left by stewie, but when he tried to bring his style into liquid they very clearly got worse and he individually was always worse when he tried to get away from the entry fragger role.
Facts
kick skullz and yekindar wtf, cadian Twistzz and naf is crazy trio
Of all the moves they could make if this team kicks cadian there really is no hope for them
what the hell, i thought he was the last on the list to be kicked, wasn't Liquid supposed to built the team around him? Why not try to replace skullz and/or yekindar at first and then look if cadian is the problem
it just seems like yekindar is jokasteve's son or smth.
600k for skullz just for him to be mid, yekindar is ass as he has been for a while. if they end up benching cadian, zews is to blame for the way liquid has looked
I thought it was 600k for skullz AND zews
Skullz has been a lot more consistent I think he was rough at first but I think he is a great player. Yekindar you are just right about that dude is falling off hard and i have no idea why.
@@cameronburdette8565he’s got the yips 😮💨
@@phwn nope, only for skullz
@@cameronburdette8565 he is not at the level that liquid should aim to be (winning trophies) compare him to other players in his role and see
The issue with Liquid is the same as in many other orgs.
Dogshit GMing. And its the IGLs that pay the price. I remember this with aleksib when he was in his previous teams.
My guess would be this is yekindar scapegoating Cadian as the reason why he isn’t performing. Obviously just a guess though
If they mess with Cadian... I'm out of there... I'm here for that show, but I'm ready to turn the channel if they mess with my boy.
💯
ive seen enough clutches by cadian on this liquid already to know this is dumb. who tf would they even get??? yeki has been awful for a star rifler, and skullz is bad atm.
Yekindar has simply been a joke of a player on liquid. When is the last time this guy was actually good? What is he doing on this team? How does kicking your AWP IGL who has been actually performing decently (not great but decent) solve anything? There have been years since this guy actually looked good on the server but somehow he is still considered on the level to play on this type of a team... wtf...
Fucking hell what is it with gaming related stupid decisions this month. Tarkov, Helldivers... and now Liquid want to bench Cadian instead of Yekindar who has been underperforming massively? wtf
If they kick cadian before yeki, imma just never watch cs again lmfao .
The guy was unstoppable at one point, but he gives shortfuse vibes.
I'm guessing who ever didnt want Elige back is now having issues with Cadian.
God damn i didnt even know their world ranking had finally started going up. They really shouldn’t give up on the roster yet. Especially not the fricking igl. Thanks for the video fl0m heard you talk about it for hours yesterday lol
Don’t kick Cadian. -Skullz/Yeki +JKS or Sense from APEKs. It’s freaking hard being a liquid fan out here. Back to LULquid I guess
It can’t be cadian himself has said it takes time to build something like heroic roster.
Someone send this video to TL pleeaasee
Oh they get an AWP/IGL replacement lined up buddy....ART! Worse awper for sure, but on the flip side Cadian's calling has been sus from time to time too. The pro league lets send it mid against T with pistols happened on several maps and cost them rounds. I like Cadian as a player, he's a good awper and he's clutch, but his calling has been suspect as shit.
Honestly, I don't know what's up with liquid, it's truly like the org is cursed. I think they have to mover on from Yekindar though, your star entry fragger can't just disappear every other map. Also Yekindar is almost predictably aggressive. he's all gas no brakes. When you see him play banana as T against a good team he gets exposed over and over and over.
Maybe the org pressuring them?
NA orgs in any esport:
-Buy expensive players from other regions
-Fail miserably
Fucking liquid man. This is NOT the move
Still bewilders me they chose skullz over jks. He already had existing chemistry with twistzz (katowice when he subbed) and NAF (in his short stint with renegades) won titles with both. No sense made.
I think it’s too many big personalities in the roster.
Cadian/Twistzz/Yekindar are all big clashes
Sign jks liquid
People have wanted yekindar out anyway. Liquid needs players and a coach who fully believe in cadian's system.
just tweet this clip to liquid
I said this when the roster was being formed, too many big egos and high expectations in such a short time would be the downfall of this roster
They did all those get togethesr, retreats and doing sauna together just to be like this lol.
Ngl, I think having Twistzz in the roster made Liquid having a pressure on the self because the whole Liquid resigning Twistzz thingy was marketed as he wanted to win his 3rd IGS with Liquid lol it's not Twistzz's fault thoo but I guess the GM of Liquid CS is not having a good time with the recent results esp. with the Major.
Liquid literally did a G2 and Jks thing lol.
Cadian's clutch.
No idea whats going on here.
cadian to fnc? 👀
I swear if they have twists as the igl 😂😂 they just dropped the igl and awper are they really gonna pull a c9
Completely new roster & they are already considering kicking Cadian? These things take time, probably not helped that Yerkindar & Skullz have been very poor. It would be a stupid move to kick him, but then again, it is TL & they make stupid decisions
kekindar back to IGL and s1mple as awp.
-skullz
-cadian
+Biguzera
+Nqz
I have no idea what is going on in the Liquid team so I feel like I have next to no right to make judgments about the team. I am a fan though so that does give me some right. I’d just leave the team together beca they’ve been constantly improving even with the issues they’ve had. If the environment is just terrible then I suppose changes have to be made, but it’s very difficult for me to think cadian is the problem. At least in the server he isn’t. Also just make me sad that liquid seems to be getting ready to make another garbage decision after actually having put together a team that is showing signs of improvement.
there is teams that have been together for years before making any finals.
what the fuck is this - didnt make the finals on every single tournament,
cause the competition is so good. who in liquid is so delusional thinking
they will win smth in the near future. doesnt even matter which player
they have on the team. stop replacing players after few weeks. they literally
have a guy who has his face 2 cm in front of the screen, he cant even see
all the information that is neccessary during the crucial parts of the rounds.
dont tell me that is okay he has to turn his head to see ammo and HP, that
is literally what makes him not be known for anything else than his mediocre
aim. in fact checking any info on the screen is way more defective when sitting
that close, compared to sitting in a normal distance to the monitor. you just
slightly sway you eyes and back to the crosshair, or radar. it feels natural.
what yekindar is doing there just looks like it literally hurts when you would
try playing like that.
Yekindar needs to go faster that fuck
I bet Cadian is hungry to win and like Floppy is just okay being mid and that’s creating conflict
floppy doesnt play for liquid what you trying to say? Are you saying -floppy +cadian in coL even then it doesn't make litterally any sense cuz jT and hallzerk will also get kicked
Huh????
My guess, either Twistzz or Yekindar are unhappy with Cadian. Really hope Liquid keeps Cadian.
Imagine an EU team with Cadian Just focusing on the AWP…
Please no. We need good igls
Cadian is a mid AWPer. His calling is the reason which carries him.
Hot take: they sign an awper and twistzz will be the igl
I think Liquid are 1 change away from being greatness. -Yekindar needs to be that change IMO
the atmosphere is not positive maybe it was cadians fault not jabbi and stavin
If cadian is kicked then NAF and Twistzz should leave and replace Hunter and Nexa on G2, or Flamez and Mezii on Vitality.
I know these are crazy moves and will never happen but man I feel like these rosters would be sick.
cadian is absolutely not the problem on liquid. I'm not big brained enough to fully understand what their problem is (aside from just yeki playing bad), but I know for sure it's not cadian.
Only reason why i watch TL games is because of Cadian. And now they want to bench him? Hell nah
He has better rating whil igl than skullz and shitkindar
What a Joka
Liquid management is just drunk. Idk who part of the problem is but my guess would be yekindar since Liquid also kicked elige just to keep him. If they wanna kick cadiaN, another team will be happy to pick him up, maybe Fnatic now that they seem to wanna invest into their CS roster again. Why would you even bring cadiaN in if you don't like his system? Seems like someone in Liquid is just too soft.
Heroic was good because of sjuush and teses
This is what happens when you let Zews cook
Skullz and Yekindar should get the fuck out, and them if Liquid fail Cadian should benched. If this happens Zews is proving to lost all his hability to coach/gm.
Cadian is not the reason they are losing. They should give them time OR remove Yekindar. He clearly has challenges shutting up and letting cadian do his work
Replace yekindar and this team with more time will be better
Classic NIP move. Wait for your IGL to revitalize your terribly mismanaged team and, just as the team gets good, kick your IGL so you go back to Tier 5 and ruin your org's legacy even further.
Just why.
Cadian has looked out of sorts from the beginning. Simple back to liquid?
I called this lmao hahahaah
Yekindar has to go in my opinion.
Kicking a player who basically has 2 roles is bad. Because then the replacement with the same roles they're gonna try to find will be atrocious. Just bench /kick Yekindar, he's been ass lately.
I think twistzz is mentally broken and the cause for the bad atmosphere I would be pissed after leaving a winning faze and faze is doing well and liquid line up isn’t doing well
You say they got unlucky at the RMRs but its Team Liquid. The flagship org for NA and with the players they have and the amount of money spent on the project, they absolutely should have beat both Col and Furia. I feel like with these mix of players creates a clash of ideas and culture. Two brazilians, two canadians, a danish player and a latvian. The difference on how each player thinks about the game causes everyone to be out of touch.
Maybe cadian wants out
If they kick Cadian I’m don’t care anymore. I love Twistzz and NAF but that would be brainless
LULE LULQUID Management
for me why the fk
i will put a benefit of the doubt for skullz, but yekindar... that guy need to leave
The team atmosphere hasn't been good because cadiaN isn't cadian
Twistzz has been wanting to main awp so they would just need an igl and i dont think cadians style works well for liquid. I think the play makes sense tbh
Just kick yeki then put stew simple as that
Yekindar probably wants to igl again so they are gonna kick their real igl LMAO. I really dont understand the hard on for yekindar.
clown org
S1mple incoming
Naf, yukinder bad
cadian is very easily the worst awper in tier 1, why are yall surprised?
Your mic scratches or something every few seconds.. not enjoyable
for an igl to do work, the players have to buy into the system, im pretty sure naf doesnt care and will buy into it regardless, twistzz left NA to buy into karrigans system, and he went back to NA to buy into cadians system and twistzz has a good track record of staying in teams and loving the igl so i dont think he is the problem, skullz is too much of a rookie to want changes, so it comes down to yekindar and zews or the liquid owners/managment, wtf are you frauds doing, it pains me to be a liquid fan, what i had to witness over these years has been dogshit, just stick to one fucking lineup and if change needed, not the igl, you saw 2018, the year started slow even when naf wanted out, but they became the solidified 2nd best team even without proper awp, this liquid can be a number 1 team if skullz and yekindar start fragging,
i simply dont get it, still a liquid fan tho except my lifespan has probably halved
Literally, all of your points, but let's also add to this, without dogpiling too badly, that this whole "Let's keep a video journal of our team progress and coming together as a 'Team' " shit, needs to fuck off.
When you're spending too much time sitting in a circle, literally crying, and expressing your feelings and shit, instead of talking about this business, this job, this fucking sport? You're doomed from the framework at the outset with this mentality in my opinion.
Maybe I'm too old school for the new shit nowadays, but they looked weak mentally from the Liquid endorsed therapy session videos imo, never liked that idea.
Also just based on what I've seen and heard ( 'passing the eye test' so-to-speak) and like you said, I'm not saying I'm an expert or could do anyone else's job better than them, but I'm not sold on any of the Mind, Body or whatever the fuck this guy was spewing in those same videos. It's too soft, too much bullshit.
It's Counter-Strike. We're talking about Counter-Strike.
That bit about no identity, I think rings true in all of this, because when you have goals but no identity or foundation and feel like you have to artificially create chemistry or bonding? I mean to me it screams "ALERT! Get the fuck out of here... and quickly."
and lastly, the signing of Skullz, his buyout, YEKINDAR's down turn, the mental of Twistzz leaving FaZe because he was unsure of FaZe's security in terms of remaining a team due to the corporate bullshit side of it after literally being the number one team in the world and lastly CadiaN getting fucked over by his org and former teammates and the media narratives surrounding that...
It's just a lot. Too much even.
Just my two cents.
If the players want to do group therapy and bonding and whatever, I fully support that. But that probably shouldn't be content for the org. It needs to be because the players want to improve as a group.
@@Falllll But that's exactly my point, it FEELS artificial because IT IS content for the org lol. It feels like snake oil.
KICK SKULLZ AND KICK ZEWS FOR PICKING UP SKULLZ, TAKE YOUR LOSS AND MOVE ON
OMG mgmt as bad as NIP I swear. Who does yeki have pictures of? Who is he bribing?
i don't know what this audio clipping is but it sounds horrendous on fl0m clips, i had to go check my headphones havent shit themselves it sounds that bad. makes these clips unwatchable for me
You sure it's nothing on your end? Clips all sound perfectly normal on my end - both when editing and after upload. Is it like peaking?
Think that’s just a problem on your end
I hope cadiaN leaves. He deserves better than some trash NA team with zero teamplay. NA will never accomplish anything significant in the global CS scene. Even someone like Elige would be way better off joining a real EU team.
-YEKINDAR +KSCERATO
Ye-kinder is so bad and they kick the igl? wtf Zews