Using the HX Stomp with the HX Effects
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video I create a modular Line 6 HX family rig by running the HX Stomp in the FX loop of the HX Effects, which is effectively using the 4 Cable Method on the Stomp. This setup is ideal for people who want Helix tones in a more travel friendly format that can break down into smaller pieces.
HX Stomp Preset: line6.com/customtone/tone/468...
HX Effects Preset: line6.com/customtone/tone/468...
I realized after I finished making this video that I had my Global EQ turned on. You may need to tweak your Global EQ to get the presets to sound similar. - เพลง
Oh thank god. I thought I was crazy for wanting to do EXACTLY this! Even just being able to throw these in the gig bag! I feel less crazy now!
You ain't the only one! and I am running the two HX units into my Headrush next!
I believe you are the best HX info person on the tube. I purchased bot my Hx stomp and effects, because of your videos. Thanks for the info and I look forward to more.
Love your videos. Glad to see you’re back.
Thank you Richie! This video is so timely. I was just planning to figure out how to use HXS and HXFX for some fly gigs next week! I want to express huge gratitude to you for your generosity and help. I just discovered you and your vids recently and have downloaded all of your HXS and HXFX presets, including the one you made for your Dad. You are, *by far* the most helpful/knowledgeable resource for these Line 6 units.
You are the man, I almost sold my HX Effects. This setup is just what I needed because I have both pedals and together they sound amazing. Thanks Guy......
Rich, thanks for this video. I truly appreciate it. I have loved my HX Effects and was considering getting the HX Stomp. Day before yesterday I ordered the Stomp (Stormtrooper White) to incorporate it with the HX Effects. You sealed the idea for me. Thank you!
Love this! I just got an HX Effects and this really helped show me it's capabilities! Thanks.
Great video Richie. Thinking outside the box at its finest. Love my HX stomp. Saw you in Phx with BOC - fantastic as always! Thank you for all you do.
I’m new to all this modeling and this video and how in depth you go is the best on the net . Thanks for all you do
Great video! Thanks and welcome back!!!
I have the HX Effects and have been debating going full Helix or Stomp. Thanks for this video. It answers a lot.
man always love you're playing, great video
Richie. I love you and all your videos. everyone with a helix hx effects should watch this video. you show things that would take the average person a loooooooong time to figure out. thanks!
It's amazing watching you sculpt a sound from nothing or ass-tone to something great. It IS like Bob Ross in that in a half an hour we watch you take a blank canvas and turn it into something amazing. Good job!
Bob Ross would approve 😁
Great intuitive video once again Richie which will help me loads as I’m down sizing from helix floor / boogie MKV 35 , custom 2 x 12 cab to HX effects plus expression pedal into a Fender tone master delux, all light easy carry , thanks again , so inspirational !
You definitely have a future in the music/engineering biz! :)))
Thanks for sharing your considerable talents and insights.
Thanks for being so generous with your time and efforts. I get the break-down thing and I followed everything you did there, no problem - but - I'll stay with the Helix Floor unit thank you. Much easier for me to set up.
Another great video Richie, a much better approach than some other (Canadian) clowns who shall remain nameless. No rambling on and on, putting on a solo performance for every example. Just enough review without all the redundancy seen from other "gear gurus" who get lost in their own egos.
I really admire you I wish I was a musci geek like you if Ican go back in time man I blew my chance to just be a good musician and learn so much.Thanks for videos you really help alot with your demos and your playing.
Awesome video :D really enjoyed watching!
Thanks for demonstrating how to do this. I recently invested in a second hand HX Effects (half-price on Ebay!!) and have kept in mind the idea of getting the HX Stomp for the Amp Modelling side of things.
Great video Richie, and this definitely scratches a few itches for me. First, the LT is a bit more svelte than the full-go Helix, but not by much, so this truly backpack-packable rig is a huge plus for me. Second, the HX Effects helps overcome some of the limitations of the HX Stomp in terms of available blocks and cable routing options. Third, using the HX Effects as the MIDI-powered "brain" is something I vastly underestimated. Finally, this type of setup allows the player to use whatever modeler/preamp they want. Love it!
Richie you are the Helix MASTER !!!
This is great...thanks Richie 👍🤘
Uno de los mejores videos que hay sobre el uso y versatilidad de los multiefectos, 4CM, qué colocar antes del Preamp, después del preamp, controles midi, etc. Congrats.
That was outstanding Richie! BTW, on the HX Stomp if you press View to select Play view and then press the upper knob to open the preset list, it will tell you on the display the program change number. Then you won't have to use trial and error. Cheers.
EXCELLENT! Thank you!
Darrell that's so nice of you to share this. And Richie, i'm a line6 fan and user. This is 1 of the most helpful practical videos I've seen in a while. Good job ya'll!
Awesome video!!!
Doing this now..... thanks for posting this!
hey thank you a veery awesome and helpful video now I can combine both my hx stomp with my hx effects THANK You so much!!!
That's really cool! Also, interesting that you mentioned the Iridium and the Ampli-Firebox--I'm considering getting one of those to integrate with my HX Stomp.
Hi Richie, I learned more from you about the HX Effects and HX Stomp than from any other or the manuals. I have them both on 2 different pedal boards. I was considering to change the Effects for a Helix (I will never get rid of the Stomp), but this video convinced me to merge my pedal boards! I do not use the expression pedal, since I like my Whammy DT and Xotic Wah, so this solution will be perfect for me. Thanks for sharing this great idea. (I immediately subscribed to you channel!)
Man tuning the sound with EQ to squash harsh frequencies was worth the price of admission, that’s the kind of skill I totally lack using these type of things when chasing tone, that overlooked stuff is critical with digital effects I think...
Thanks again Richie!!!
I went that route for similar reasons. But also that you can go really light and just use the Stomp and I have. Love the flexibility of this approach. One other benefit is you can get each piece separately and that helps with the money over buying the full Helix or LT,
Killer mate
Nice one. Thank you.
Wow! I don't have the HX Stomp but I do have HX Effects. I like the way you set up the FX chain! I have paired my HX Effects with a Blackstar HT Stage 60 combo amp. I like these tones you get and I'm going to copy your FX set up and play around with the amp settings for various tones.
Yeah, this will transfer over to your rig using 4 cable method to link in your amp.
Thanks for posting this! I have the Helix Floor, HX Stomp and HX Effects.... been using just the Stomp but want to incorporate the HX Effects.
great vid
Ok very kewl. Now please program all of “Secret Treaties” and then make that the first half of every BOC show from now on 😂 . I don’t think this is too much to ask.
Sold me on the HX effects, going to have it replace my ageing small pedal board running through a hot rod deluxe.
Hi bro. Glad your doing fine.
Missed ya.
Just what I needed! I own both of these and was going to sell the hx effects. But now that I see I can use them together this is awesome! Thank you! Now this may sound like a stupid question... or I probably missed this in this video, but can I control the “stomp’s” snapshot view back to stomp mode page up and down etc from the hx effects? Thank you again! 🙏🏻
I got the hx and yes stomp into hx is better like you said thank you!!!!!!
Thank you so much. So, if I buy it, I guess I should be able to learn this Space.. oh God...
Hi Richie, very informative video. I really enjoy your music videos as well, the "What a Fool Believes" video was very well done and hilarious as well. Thanks so much for sharing!
I have a Helix floor and even though both the HX Stomp and HX Effects are great units. I'm still wondering why Line 6 didn't incorporate an L6 Link into HX Effects, which would simplify hookups with the the Helix and keep the signal flow in the digital realm. Still hoping they will make that addition in the future, would love to have the additional DSP.
The stomp got an update! You can now have 8 blocks! BIG gamechanger!
So good! Been having a play with this setup as an all in one solution for cover gigs and a backup for originals gigs (if my amp explodes or i'm stuck on some tiny stage). I'm assuming you want to have the HX Effects global setting output set to Iine for running into an interface or straight to PA?
Just grabbed an HX Effects to pair with my Stomp I grabbed last year. I use the stomp mainly for amp modeling and will now keep my effects mostly of the Hx effects to free up some blocks. Would you recommend me plugging my guitar input to the HX effects than run that into the input for the stomp? Would this cause much of a routing issue?
Awesome vid man. Having just purchased a Hx effects to minimise my footprint, I’m considering ditching the amp too. Quick question. I noticed you didn’t utilise the fx loop in the stomp like regular 4cm with an amp. The way you’ve hooked it up, could the same be done with a strymon iridium?
This is awesome. Bit of variation: I have a Pod Go and want to put an HX Effects in front of it. Plus the Pod Go has a built in expression pedal. I hope I can get basically the same result
how is it going dude? did it work?
I’m not sure if this is something that has already been commented but to make it easier as far as I making the right preset correspond between the two, all you have to do is go to global settings, over to preferences, scroll one page over and in the third column there will be a thing that says numbering, there you can switch it from its default (14a as he said as an example) and switch it over to the 0-125. You’ll want to do this on both the stomp and effects for it to make sense.
My thought process: "I really like that volume swell before the solo on the recording of this song. I should really get an expression pedal for my Stomp so I can do that easily live. But if I do that, I need to get a midi footswitch so I can still switch song banks, since my expression jack will be used by the expression pedal. Well, might as well check the Stomp group on Facebook and see what people recommend for midi controllers. Oh crap, this dude has an HX Effects on his board with his Stomp! That's actually a pretty good idea! How much does that cost? Oh! I should watch a video and get an idea of how to use that with the Stomp..."
And that's how I ended up buying an HX Effects and an expression pedal today.
I've read some differing opinions for setup as well, but I think this might be the most ideal for my needs, but I'd likely switch to use the Stomp as the midi controller and use it to flip song presets like I was doing with my dual footswitch already.
... very informative and interesting. Thanks, richie. Greetings from Germany
Excellent video! I'm wondering if I could do this another way whilst utilising the hx stomp as an interface? Plug the guitar straight into the HX Stomp and put the HX Effects in the FX loops (pre and post amp + cap blocks).
Seeing one of your other videos about setting up a wet-dry-wet config using Line6 Helix pedalboard, made we wonder how you would go about and do it using the Stomp (for the dry, and cab-sim for the wet/wet maybe) and the HX Effects (for the wet/wet then I guess). And still use the HX Effect as "control center". I really got intrigued/inspired by both videos.
As others have mentioned it's easier to just buy the LT. Having said that, I'm using the same Stomp and FX combo and I think it has it's place. There might be occasions when a Stomp is enough, then you can rip it off the board and take it in a gigbag. Other times it's nice to have the connectivity and additional effects/control options.
Also a tip: when browsing the preset list in HX Stomp, it displays the corresponding PC number in the lower right corner of the screen.
The point is the even the LT can be too big for carry-on fly gigs.
I agree..... the stomp and effects could be packed in a backpack along with other items and be carried on a plane....
Thanks for the video. Since I'm about to buy an HX Stomp mostly for home recording, I had thought of this option for when I'll feel like retiring my 500X. What I was wondering though is, does keeping the signal chain of the stomp to a minimum reduce the gap between preset switching or is it still better to rely on snapshots for amp changes within a song?
Another great tutorial. Really appreciate the effort and thought put into this. Keep up the great work.
Also I see BOC will be in San Luis Obispo (my neck of the woods) in January. If you get a chance check out lightning Joe's in Arroyo Grande village. Think you'd enjoy checking it out if you have time. See you at the show!!
So one thing I don’t get is he only has one send/return going to the stomp. How is he still having effects in the loop of the “amp” while also a still getting the cab sim when he’s going to the board from the effects. To me it would seem you’d have to go back to the stomp and out to the board from there. It’s certainly working snd he obviously knows what he’s doing but how is it still getting the cab and all that whole going out to the board from the effects?
Hey richie, huge fan of urs.. I've been using the HX effects for a few years now and it's been life-changing lately I've been thinking about getting the Helix floor but this video sparked my interest cuz buying the stomp would be more affordable... do you see any drawbacks with using the HX effects and stomp versus just a helix floor I wouldn't really be doing any parallel routing or complicated signal change just pretty much 8 pedals and amp
Hey richie, love your videos and I was wondering if it was possible to use softube software through my hx fx. I was going to download reaper as a DAW. Thank you for your time.
How would you run the iridium? Same way?
Does the 4 cable method introduce noticeable latency? This has been mentioned elsewhere was just curious. Great video!!
Loved: I feel like Bob Ross
I'm getting a Pedaltrain nano, I have a gator gigbag, I will make a small board around the stomp(about 2 or 3 more pedals), I can attach the Pedaltrain to my gig bag, and I have a huge pocket still on it, great for an expression pedal and something like the hx effects or an m9, all in one bag.(my guitar is lightweight so it won't kill my back)😅
This is the setup I’m going to be using as well. What if I want to use more individual pedals. Do I just put them in fx loop 2 on the Hx effects or do I run them in the input on the Hx effects
I’ve been assembling my dream pedalboard for 5 years and right when I got it right, Line 6 releases the Helix. Those bastards...
Bit late to the party, but I've just got a HX Stomp XL to add to my HX Effects. This video is what I've been looking for for ages, so Thank You! do you have any other videos using this set up?
Do you have a good solution for powering both of these? The combined size of the two power bricks is almost the size of the Helix Floor on its own!
Also wanna ask I can go out from the hx fx to a powered speaker too right? How bout front of house? That would be xlr from the powered speaker?
Hi Richie, within your setup, could I still connect my HX stomp through USB to my computer using it as my audio interface?
I notice you connect the hx effects to your interface and I wonder if I could use my hx stomp instead.
Thanks both for your reply and video!
If I want to use the Stomp as a "stereo rig", it seems the only difference would be hooking up both HX Effects sends and returns to both ins and outs of the Stomp. I would of course have to use two blocks for the two combo amps.
Great video! Can you tell me why you put amp. Sim. After your drives and not first in you chain? Regards from Denmark 😀
That’s the conventional thinking. Drives are supposed to go before the amp. You can put them after but it’ll sound weird.
Can this method be done using my actual amp instead of running direct? Would i still configure the same as you mentioned here and go 4cm into my amp? i'm using an EVH 5150III EL34 50 WATT head! Thanks in advanced!
Thanks, however, is there a reason for this and not to choose the hx stomp XL? I assume you can't use the effects by itself as it doesn't have amp/cab modelling? Though it does support IRS. I only ask as was going to buy stomp but now everyone raving over effects and I'm a bit baffled. Lol.
can you actually use a regular instrument cable on the expression pedal? I tried that today with a new expression pedal (hammond exp30) and it was all wonky. then I tried a balanced trs 1/4" cable and it was perfect. what the heck? thanks
Now I'd love to see your opinion on the pod go
Helix LT fits in a back pack. A nice compromise and cheaper than HX effects and HX stomp and expression pedal. Also neater...
Can I do the same thing with hx stomp with helix rack, was hoping to use poly capo w/o draining the CPU in the Helix. Then running the helix 4cm into a tube amp fx loop, or I could run hx stomp in front of the preamp in tube amp and run the helix in fx loop??, so many possibilities it's mind boggling!!
Hey Ritchie!
**** HX Stomp upgrade 3.0 with 8 FX BLOCKS is out!!!
**** You also have to upgrade to 3.0 Editor or it kicks out repeatedly.
😁👍👍👍
Have you noticed any issue with modulation or coloring of sound in the effects loop of the HXFx? I have this set up with a few pedals and have had trouble with the effects loop coloring an analog delay. It really almost sounds like some sort of envelope filter or modulation that the effects loop creates.
Great Video, Funny thing, I just bought the HX Effects and was going to return the HX Stomp, matter of fact the stomp is packed up with the return label on it ready to ship back. BUT, after seeing this video I am having second thoughts. LOL what to do........ What happened was I went back to using my Line6 M9 and just wanted an upgrade which I think the HX Effects is. So anyway, I think I am going to give this setup a shot. Thanks
I already have hx stomp and now want to buy some effects for ambient music like strymon pedals. What is your opinion- if I will buy second stomp - is it good idea? Maybe somebody using two stomps both? As for me is very compact solution but I can’t check it before buying.
Awesome video! I just wanted to ask Richie, or anyone else who's tried this setup, if there's any problems with noticeable latency from using the two units together? I doubt there would be, but I'm interested to know if folks experiences are overwhelmingly positive or not. Thank you!
iv been using the stomp and effects for a wile and was made fun of.....the back pack thing.....perfect
Hi guys, looking to update my guitar rig, can this be done with Torpedo C.A.B M now that it was updated to have a preamp as well? Torpedo would go instead of the HX stomp..
Does anybody know if you could run this the same way but listen through headphones from the hx stomp or would that not work??? Would you have to route the hx effects through the stomp instead?
Any way to run the stomp in stereo vs. Mono the same way?
could you use the M9 instead of the HX effects?
Can I get an up date on this setup?? I’m interested to know if anything has changed or if improvements have been made. Thank you!!
I do the same but I insert the HX effects into the Stomp loop, that way I can also use it as USB recording directly, another advantage of having these 2 is having 2 loopers simultaneously that also sync via MIDI... I'm planning on replacing the Stomp with a ToneX pedal for better amp sims and keep using the HX effects for all the other stuff but it's a shame there's no FX loop on the ToneX to do it the same way
So would this be more dsp power than the regular helix?
Hi Richie, is there any reason why you did it this way round instead of putting the HX Effects in a block on the HX Stomp ?
Great video! 2 questions...
1- In the notes you mentioned using global eq. Did you adjust global on effects or the stomp?
2- I followed your instruction on setting up command to switch stomp to preset 34 b when pressing 14 a on effects. It works but I have to press the 14a patch twice. On the first press the stomp goes to 18 something the second press it goes to 34b which is the proper patch. Is this right?
I had exactly this problem. To fix it you have to go to global settings, midi / tempo and set the MIDI / PC tx to off. This makes it so that when you change presets in the effects, it does not automatically change the preset on the stomp. If you want this default behaviour for most of your presets but not all, you can add a sligh timer to your command, say 200 ms, and that lets the effect override the default program change.
Wondering about how effective it is to program both units with HX Edit? I’m assuming the would not show as one and you would either need two sessions open (which it may not let you) or you would have to do each separately. I never seen to feel comfortable programing with the knobs.
George Hendrix gives you two sessions Seperate from each other to configure, very fluid and easy
Thought I wanted a Helix floor until I had an idea about using these two. You have confirmed how well it will work! And on top of which, I'm assuming that I can sign an expression pedal to the stomp as well as the HX Effects? All together comes in about 2/3 of the price of a Helix floor 😁
but you are sacrificing the DSP
I create tracks all day... and used to use Pod Farm 2 to go thru hundreds of cool presets looking for inspiration for the next part I was tracking. There were so many cool fx chains (and song/artist styles) people made to download free, so there were hundreds of tones/sounds I would have never dialed in that I could use. Now I'd like to add something on my studio pedalboard ...to add that kind of variety of pre-made flavors I could use for my recordings. Does the HX Effect allow me to load up a bunch of presets like that... and do they still offer a forum to find & download for HX Effects? I use a Kemper for most amp tones now so that part is not needed. Thanks!
what if the amp does not have an effects loop to run the 4 cable method? would this work running into the front of the amp?
derek merrell you could but you need to make sure the amp is as clean as it can be and keep the eq flat as possible. The preamp might color your tone a be so it would be best to dial all your tone settings using the amp.....
I'm only a quarter the way through the video so this question might be jumping the gun.
But how is 4cm different then running the Stomp in the fx loop of the HX Effects? I'd imagine running it in the fxloop of the Effects would be the same but easier to set up and freeing up the fx loop and a block on the Stomp
Is there any way to get an amp sound from ONLY the HX Effects? i.e. - not using an external amp simulator, stomp or other?
The HX Effects is the only product in the line that does not have amp simulation. However it does have IR capabilities so if you have an IR that sounds like whatever amp you want, you could theoretically use that, but the real answer to your question is no.