Testing The Custom Shifter For The Rare Columbia Two Speed Rear
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ม.ค. 2023
- After driving the 1932 Ford Roadster around the block, we had a ton of comments about shifting the Columbia Rear. While driving we didn't get the car up to a high enough speed to shift, and the rear really needs to be run and shifted to get oil throughout. Matt and Steve also work on getting the hood to fit the grill and cowl better. The hood was stored off the car for many years and it has lost its shape. The hood hinge pin was also removed at some point, and was not fully installed allowing the front edge to move around. After the work to the hood, its time to run in the rear and test the shifter!!
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If the old building is still around in Detroit where it was pulled from it’d be neat to drive it around and do a photo shoot where it was found.
The building is there but it looks new now,, I think it is going to be a weed place. Like every other place is now.
You might get something more than a photo shoot. You just might get shot.
Steve is such an awesome addition to the shop. Hat's off to you Steve! And to you Matt (and Mike) for finding him.
When Steve started hanging around, I wondered what was his experience. He is showing it now.
Matt + Steve, your persistence is really paying off on this project! The car has evolved into a very clean looking revival that is almost show ready. Overall you have done a fantastic job! I love how the character of the car remains intact while it begins to truly function as a potential daily driver! WOW! Beautiful job you guys!
Matt, as an old hotrodder from Spokane, you might try putting a few drops of Neets oil into that Columbia. It will really make it shift smoothly.
Your lucky not to have snow. Two feet here in Minney- we are in the first fake spring with warm temps.Keep er movin Matt
I surfed today.
You-ess-aye !!!!!
Maybe a T handle finger pull for the detent in high range. Thinking like a old Corvette reverse lock out. Some Hurst shifters had them as well.
Fantastic ! A simple idea for the high "detent" / lock would be a spring catch at the forward position , that can be released by a trigger under the knob , like a lift ring . Obviously something easily useable without looking , so much as feeling , to maintain eyes & attention on the road . The hood looks loads better . I look forward to that summer meet up with the car's "original" family . I'm sure they will appreciate what the "new" family has done with it , getting her "road worthy" again . Awesome job , gentlemen , all of the way around ! A very nice automobile now .
The -32 roadster is sooo cool, love it.
Wow, Steve has my dream job!! Working on hot rods, using all those cool tools (old ones and new Eastwood ones), riding in them, getting paid for it, and doesn't have to buy materials and parts! As far as the Columbia linkage.......how about a spring on the linkage that would hold it tight in high?
Morning coffee and hot rods....perfect combo
She sounds and looks soo good. Thanks for sharing the journey Matt👍👍
In watching your video, I noticed that the rod form lever to rear flexed, when changing from low to high. I say this because i think some of the action may be being lost in the shifting. I may be wrong but with the flex you could be loosing the high gear being fulling engaged.
Road test to verify fit and rattles. Not covered in the video: cold weather, carburetor coolant bypass. To aid in warm-up and cold weather driving by reducing hesitancy or stalling. Any further pedal adjustment required? Will there be less flying debris for the next test drive?
Also noticed that when shifting between high and low speeds, a burst of exhaust fumes near to the front underside. Normal or leak?
I also noticed that it seemed like there was a lot of deflection in the shift rod,almost like it needs a bushed brace of some sort to stop the deflection
I noticed that also. Agree that the flex is excessive and likely preventing full engagment. Possibly could use more of a cam shape on the bell crank to positivley lock into hi/low but not without fixing the flex issue first.
During the test run on the overdrive I noticed a small drip off the exhaust pipe. Other than that, she looks really good. I love me some roadsters!!
If you change the bellcrank setup so it goes overcenter in high it would not jump out but would be easy to shift to low without added releases.
Your hot rod is the Boss, man. Great work on the transmission. The high and low range shifter, is an exceptional addition. I know you will work out the bugs. Thanks for sharing Matt and Steve.
Was that squeak coming from the jack or Steve’s arm
Hey Matt, your '32 roadster is looking better with each video! Kudos to you and Steve! If your overdrive shift lever had some (sprung) sideways movement, you could use a small bracket that angles to the detent notch (similar to a Harley tank shift gate) to keep it in place when you shift into high range. Just a thought.
You guys are good at brainstorming a problem. You mentioned sealing the paint. What did you use? I went back and replayed the matching old & new paint video, but didn't see it. Thanks
I really have enjoyed this series. I think if you mount a little "T" pull on the front of the shifter that pulls up on a pin you likely could solve the problem. Pull it up when you shift into high with 2 fingers. When you let go a spring will push the pin down to lock the pin into a hole.
That car is looking awesome. Nice job ITG!!
That's slick..go fast and crawl like 👍 my ranger..love them old ford's
That paint looks better after you aged it and it dried. You might consider linseed oil on that plywood floor board. It will help keep it from getting stains.
Interesting watching you reshaping the hood, if you applied the amount of force you were using to modern auto panel steel it would fold in half. The DeLorean is looking amazing, great job of getting it looking like the survivor it is.
Looking good guys! Was really wondering how that shift was gonna go! Can't wait to see the upholstery! You guys are a fantastic team!
A very nice looking car! Coming together!
I woke up with iron trap garage some great stuff hot rods morning amen
Looks Nice Matt and Steve
She makes a nice garage heater and couch combo 😂😂
Lube that jack handle!!!!!
Steve for the WIN 👍👍😎👍👍
In garden tractor pulling the trans popping out of gear is a common issue. It is usually solved by using a simple hinged "flap"(looks like a padlock hasp) that goes in front of the shifter to restrict movement. It's simple and easy to manipulate.
Another great car to the collection 👌
My buddy and I took a Columbia out of a 36 ford and put it on his 41 and found we had a little more room in the rear fender on the Columbia side. My 55 Ford crown vic had a cable operated two speed. I had glass pacs and could shift through six speeds with pleasing sounds.
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Thanks. Listen to your mate: over centre. Simple is good
My first car was a 1950 Tudor deluxe with the 8BA and a Columbia 2-speed rear end. Smoothest car to drive ever. The engine was so quiet that you couldnt tell it was running if you were standing right next to it, and so well balanced that you could set a cup of coffee on the oil bath air cleaner and it wouldn't even make a ripple. Love Ford flatheads!
Love what you're doing love the old paint jobs also like looks of the satin paint jobs the color the green on the 33 maybe on another car will be a perfectly crappy paint job
Looking good 👍👍
It's always something.
Morning Matt & Steve...Steve had a good idea of some sort of detent, McMaster Carr is the best for anything, I've ordered stuff in the morning & it's at my house the next day....
It just needs a tarp strap to hold it in. That's what an old hot rodder would have done! 👍
Matt there is a cabinet door closer that is a detent ball that drops into a little dimpled piece and does well on cabinet doors. I know it seems kind of hokey but I have used them on varies things and yes they aren't "industrial strength" but should be fine for your application. Take a look and see if they will work.
Matt and Steve thank you guys for the update !
Cool ride
You might need to lengthen or shorten the linkage a little to help hold it in high range or add a spring to hold in it in high range !
Matt, several brand of commercial door closers use a spring load ball to provide a hold open feature. I try to email you a cut sheet on this. You could build something similar or adapt the door closer arm.
clutch or brake leak? Exhaust was smoking from a drip each time when either 1 was depressed
maybe you could use some sort of locking shifter t handle like on a 2nd gen corvette shifter just throwing that out there good luck my friend
The building where you got that car looks completely new now. I go by it often, to think I I went by for 40 years and that great car was hiding there?
I would like to see a car built by and for Steve.
Yes. Steve needs a hotrod! 👍
A 47or early 48 Chevy truck had a leaver and rod on the shifter to keep you from putting the transmission in reverse accidentally
A good thing to do with hood rod is to attatch one end in an electric drill and spray with lube . ive done this many times it works well
Matt..just a thought for trunk lock. Would a VW trunk T handle and lock assembly work
on this car? Maybe with a bit of adjustment here and there it would work?
Shift to high add a notch for shifter to sit in lever is spring loaded sideways, shift into high spring pushs the shifter lever in to notch to keep it from popping out... just an idea
It probably needs a few miles of road driving under load to bed the new components together before it operates smoothly.
How about some kind of squeeze lever to unlock and unlock the gear like old tractors.
Very cool , needs a notch to hold it in place.
Do you plan on painting the car? If so, what colors are you thinking about? I really enjoy watching your channel.
Sure would like to see this one with a nice paint job!
Looking good Matt! What's next?
Matt, I don't know if you noticed the drip of fluid onto the hot exhaust when you pressed the clutch in as you change the two speed rear. You see the puff of smoke as it hits the exhaust at 16:39 , 17:05 , 17:30 .
We have a model A phaeton with a Columbia 2 speed fitted to it way back when. It is not Hooked up in recent times and drives in stock standard gearing. The car has juice brakes too. We rather it all GONE and have stock axle and all metal brakes from pedal to wheel on our open model A beater.
Hi David, we’d be interested in your Columbia and other stuff if you decide to change it back! Send us an email if interested! Irontrapgarage@gmail.com
I went back and watched the video again after reading ( pte 1957 "s ) comment , and at 17:28 in the video when you shift from low range to high range ,that shift rod is flexing like crazy !!!! you may have to " double " the size of the " round stock "
( shift - rod ) to eliminate that wild flexing !! I am sure the local weld shop / steel supply would be able to fix you right up
with a length of round stock of the larger diameter .
also , the guys in the comments were thinking of a " T HANDLE " for a lock out detent , great idea , however , I would do " 2 " things first before fabricating that setup .
(1) I would get the flex out of the shift rod , then try it ?
(2) I would adjust that linkage to make 100 % sure that you have " FULL ENGAGEMENT " then try it ??
(3) then if all else fails , make the T - handle lock out device , but one thing is for sure , that rod flexing like crazy , has to go !!!!!!
my work is on heavy duty MACK trucks , the old trucks from the 40 's - 50's had multiple transmissions , 5 speed main / 3-4 speed auxiliary , the auxiliary trans always sat back 3-4 feet behind the main trans
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OKAY, point of this is , the ( " REMOTE SHIFT RODS " ) going from the cab back to the auxiliary trans were always very
( ROBUST , & " HARDENED ") so after " thousands of shifts " they still retained there original shape & did not flex, so the driver
did not miss a shift on a hill , & had to come to a stop & start over " LOADED " !!!
give this some thought , " THEORY - OF - OPERATION " IS THE KEY TO SUCESS !!!!
KEEP UP THE GREAT VIDEOS , YOU GUYS ARE MAKIN IT HAPPEN !!!!!!
Nice Work.
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I think I saw somthing dripping onto the exhaust, didja catch that ? I am thinking a cam as well. That may do it .
My buddy used to race stock cars and to hold the “three on the tree” in second gear, he looped a coat hanger from the sun visor hook to the shifter. Low tech …..no tech solution for his problem!!
I was wondering if the shifter was going to move up and down with the torque tube when the suspension goes up and down and kick it out of gear
I wonder if you couldn't just put a spring on the linkage that would keep pressure on the lever in high range?
Matt if you guy's cant get it to stay in high range build a dog latch yo swing down to hold it in place. A simple swing down tab would work fine.
16:24 What's with the bearing noise ?
Do you have to double clutch to change the gear in the two speed rear ? Or does it have a synchro ?
Have a look at the 96
and older Ford 4wd shifters, they had detents and it was a simple deal. Push down and pull or push to the desired range.
It needs a Cam so it goes over and holds till the lever is pulled sorry can not explain better
I bet some farmer first did this modification because his hinges were loose on the doors.
free time he he no such thing.
Really nosey motor ?? lifters ?? belts ?? still very cool ride v/boise
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Why not just make a "Gate" for the shifter that indicates what gear it is in as well as to hold the shifter in place?