Thanks, Paul. Good presentation. The reason there are officer and enlisted heads is because enlisted s**t stinks and the ossifers wouldn't appreciate walking into a stinky head. During my first cruise, my day job was swabbing the decks and cleaning the head in an officer's area. One time, I had to go, so, rather than take all the time to go to my berthing and then come back, I used one of the officer's commodes. One of them came in, saw my dungarees below the door, and had me write my name, service number and division on a piece of paper. He wrote me up. Fortunately, when it got to my Division, LT(jg) Bob Bergeron, he tore it up. We met a few years ago during a ship's reunion in SF. It was the highlight of my reunion. Bob was then in mid-stage Alzheimer's. He passed away about 4 years ago.
I got to tour USS Cheyenne (SSN 773) circa 1998 or 1999 when I was first in the Army and on exercises on Oahu. They told a bunch of us from Wyoming that if you were from the state or town that a Navy ship/boat was named for you had preference for a tour if it was in port, so we all went! We pointedly DIDN'T get to use the head (nor enter the reactor compartment). 😄
@@paulfarace9595 Snipes have been off limits for years. My dad had a similar story. While in the Pacific he heard that the USS Pennsylvania was in port, he requested a visit, and it was granted. He met several friends from his hometown of Reading. They compared notes since he was on a destroyer (Radford 446).
Nothing like being in Patrol Quiet and someone slams the stainless steel shitter door. Next thing you hear on the 1MC, " The next time I hear that shitter door slam, I will have all the doors removed." Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I couldn't make heads or tails out of that, but thank you for sharing your throne room with us. Many years ago pleasure boats had a similar rig (before the laws against direct discharge), using the same kind of manual rocker arm pump but no air tank pressure. Its 3 valves had to be manipulated in sequence and it was a nightmare. Also, the through-hulls were a common fail point that could lead to sinking. All in all pumping out at a honey barge is much safer and better for the environment.
At least you had a door giving you some privacy. Us Army guys had open bay latrines with five or ten thrones that could be used all at once. It was handy if you ran out of TP. All you had to do was ask the guy next to you to pass over his roll when he was done. Let's not even talk about field sanitation, cat holes and slit trenches and waste burning detail. Ah the fond memories of military service, how I wouldn't give anything to live them again. LOL!...
@@randyogburn2498 The USS North Carolina still has the flush troughs that could seat 8 at a time. It wasn't unusual for some joker to light crumbled up newspaper and drop it at the water inlet and give the current users a hot bottom or unexpected Brazilian.
Very informative. Never served aboard a boat with an air expulsion head. Even so, there were from time to time "accidents" with the gravity flush heads.
Ball Valves replaced flappers up to at least Los Angeles class fast attacks. Pressure tank was increased in size so you don’t need to blow over board immediately. Blowing Sanitary Tanks is prohibited along side piers now. I think all tank discharges into water have to be 5 miles out but don’t positively remember exact distance. People opening ball valves during blowing operations is still an issue. If you ignored the sign & open that valve, you will pay for your mistake & yes clean your own mess. Ohio class Submarines have regular flushing toilets like every home. Not sure about other newer classes. I didn’t serve on those.
It was a true mark of saltiness to spend time on the crapper wearing an EAB at test depth. Many stories of blowing sanitary tanks and some NUB getting sprayed with the contents when someone forgot to hang the chains in the head. Interesting that the stainless steel bowls look the same as what we had. Rather than a flapper there was a ball valve that dropped your deposit in a San tank below which, when full, was pressurized with air to discharge overboard. If you used the toilet when the tank was pressurized the results were pretty ugly.
On occasion you would get a blockage between the trap and the gravity tank we would have to plastic sheet the whole of the head with the door's closed and back blow the sewage tanks this would result in many gallons of crap coating the inside of the head space the job of clearing out fell to the greenhornes
What if you do all the “pre” work and realize you gravely mistook your um calculations. And realized you should’ve used option for #2 but you chose option #1? Do you hold the lava flow as you start over or could you just add more water to be the correct amount for #2
Either booby trapping the flapper valve or leaving the can full and pressurized, or getting the sequence wrong, you could end up sitting on a column of water and detritus at sea pressure. We called it the "submariner's bidet" or "diver's douche". Hilarity reigned. I, of course, never participated in such shenanigans, I heard it from a shipmate.
Paul, this video is for Shots and Giggles😮. Still, important to document how everything works since the knowledge will be lost in time. On a lighter note, I would love to see a video about working a simpler mechanism than the head.. how about the TDC?
That was very interesting, now I can see why there are some stories about toilet horrors on submarines. I do have a question though. Were the holding tanks for the gravity flush toilets big enough to contain the waste for an entire patrol, or did they also have a procedure for emptying them while underway? If so, was there a manual of emptying for the tanks as well?
The blown tank had to be vented afterward, so you wanted to blow it while surfaced, and vent overboard. Venting the sanitary tank inboard was quite unpleasant.
Paul, thanks for this. Have you ever heard of the red toilet? I'd never heard of it until a few years back. Asked my dad about it, (W.W.II) vet, and he said he'd never heard of it either. Seems the seat was painted red for those that had contracted a venereal disease. I know, seems like an antiquated thought, but in the 1940s medicine was still in an experimental state, especially regarding the transmission of VD. Probably on larger vessels as a sub couldn't accommodate such an inconvenience.
Just curious - was the water pumped in for the heads fresh water or sea water? I could see reasons for both - using sea water to conserve fresh water or using fresh water to prevent corrosion of piping.
If it had been invented and the spies had stolen the plans, modern Japanese style toilets on a submarine would have greatly reduced the amount of toilet needed while on patrol. And the flapper valve is similar to the valve on toilets on trains which today blow the contents of the chamber below the toilet into the holding tank with compressed air. On trains, the flapper valve is kept closed by a spring and the blast of compressed air forces the flapper valve into a seal so the contents of the lower chamber do not come back out of the bowl.
It is indescribable, after a long dive when the hatch was opened assuming a bit of pressure had built up, a yellowish fog escaped till the engines had started and vented the boat. The smell was unwashed bodies, diesel vapors, cooking, toilet, and frequently rotting food. Our boats were relatively clean, the German and Japanese not so much, however the old S, R and O class subs (leftovers from WW1) were worse...called "pig boats" for a reason.
@michaelyounger4497 bad after a long five as stated earlier by our poster... but remember these boats were surfaced 95% of the time and the ventilation system was powerful.
My uncle, a submariner always tells the story of someone using the pressure toilet incorrectly, or attempting to clear a clog. and describes hearing a loud noise, looking into the hallway and seeing a green cloud coming down the hall 😂then they all had to go to the medic for shots
That was some pretty tame reading material. More likely it was GQ, Tijuana bibles or Esquire. Back then, they were far, far racier than the watered-down versions of today.
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Thanks, Paul. Good presentation. The reason there are officer and enlisted heads is because enlisted s**t stinks and the ossifers wouldn't appreciate walking into a stinky head.
During my first cruise, my day job was swabbing the decks and cleaning the head in an officer's area. One time, I had to go, so, rather than take all the time to go to my berthing and then come back, I used one of the officer's commodes. One of them came in, saw my dungarees below the door, and had me write my name, service number and division on a piece of paper. He wrote me up. Fortunately, when it got to my Division, LT(jg) Bob Bergeron, he tore it up. We met a few years ago during a ship's reunion in SF. It was the highlight of my reunion. Bob was then in mid-stage Alzheimer's. He passed away about 4 years ago.
Watching this while on the toilet. Toilet inception.
Ultra reality!
😅🤣😂
I got to tour USS Cheyenne (SSN 773) circa 1998 or 1999 when I was first in the Army and on exercises on Oahu. They told a bunch of us from Wyoming that if you were from the state or town that a Navy ship/boat was named for you had preference for a tour if it was in port, so we all went! We pointedly DIDN'T get to use the head (nor enter the reactor compartment). 😄
NOBODY ENTERS THE ENGINEERING SPACES!!!! 😢😮😂
@@paulfarace9595 Snipes have been off limits for years. My dad had a similar story. While in the Pacific he heard that the USS Pennsylvania was in port, he requested a visit, and it was granted. He met several friends from his hometown of Reading. They compared notes since he was on a destroyer (Radford 446).
Nothing like being in Patrol Quiet and someone slams the stainless steel shitter door. Next thing you hear on the 1MC, " The next time I hear that shitter door slam, I will have all the doors removed." Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I couldn't make heads or tails out of that, but thank you for sharing your throne room with us. Many years ago pleasure boats had a similar rig (before the laws against direct discharge), using the same kind of manual rocker arm pump but no air tank pressure. Its 3 valves had to be manipulated in sequence and it was a nightmare. Also, the through-hulls were a common fail point that could lead to sinking. All in all pumping out at a honey barge is much safer and better for the environment.
I spend the night on the Silversides in 1978 or 1979, with my son, when it was in Chicago.
One of ‘The Best’ reasons to become an officer on any Navy vessel.
At least you had a door giving you some privacy. Us Army guys had open bay latrines with five or ten thrones that could be used all at once. It was handy if you ran out of TP. All you had to do was ask the guy next to you to pass over his roll when he was done. Let's not even talk about field sanitation, cat holes and slit trenches and waste burning detail. Ah the fond memories of military service, how I wouldn't give anything to live them again. LOL!...
And a major reason many draft age men chose the Navy!
I don't know. Some older Navy ships had open, mulit-occupant heads too.
@@randyogburn2498
The USS North Carolina still has the flush troughs that could seat 8 at a time. It wasn't unusual for some joker to light crumbled up newspaper and drop it at the water inlet and give the current users a hot bottom or unexpected Brazilian.
I am flushed with pride with such a crappy subject!
Knowing about the Head is a pretty smart thing!You sure know your business when in comes to the use of a Head down under. 👍
never seen the detail procedure. But did see the movie when the Niuses were informed how to use the head. Operation Petticoat as I recall.
Very informative. Never served aboard a boat with an air expulsion head. Even so, there were from time to time "accidents" with the gravity flush heads.
@21:30 perfect "rijsttafel" Well done Paul! :D
The USS Monitor turret and guns and other artifacts are located at the Mariners Museum In Newport News Virginia.
Let’s get a nice tight slow Zoom on that toilet bowl😅😂🎉🚽
Thanks for the "Heads up" Paul. Good info buddy.
Thank you for fulfilling my request for a video on this topic. I must say my head is full of interesting facts.
I'm sure I missed our host mentioning it, but I recall that one of the U-Boats sunk due to a poorly executed flush.
Yes you missed it...
@@paulfarace9595 Told you so.
Hey the COD invented the Squatty Potty 😂
Monitor turret is at the Mariners Museum in Newport News Virginia.
probably the most important video he every made!
Always wondered about this... Worthy of watching on the Throne😂
As the neck with it !
I'm volunteering for "Tin Can" duty !!!!
Great video.
Ball Valves replaced flappers up to at least Los Angeles class fast attacks. Pressure tank was increased in size so you don’t need to blow over board immediately. Blowing Sanitary Tanks is prohibited along side piers now. I think all tank discharges into water have to be 5 miles out but don’t positively remember exact distance. People opening ball valves during blowing operations is still an issue. If you ignored the sign & open that valve, you will pay for your mistake & yes clean your own mess. Ohio class Submarines have regular flushing toilets like every home. Not sure about other newer classes. I didn’t serve on those.
If you have problems on the toilet in a sub, is that considered a headache?
🥴
Ba-dump TING!!!! 😂
You got to take good care of the sailors intake and outlet - good food and good sanitary facilities make sailors happy!
Those very important little things that you don't think about.
"That did happen on some boats where the officers were jokers" Well that's one descriptor for them.
better video than ryan's hot seat
It was a true mark of saltiness to spend time on the crapper wearing an EAB at test depth. Many stories of blowing sanitary tanks and some NUB getting sprayed with the contents when someone forgot to hang the chains in the head. Interesting that the stainless steel bowls look the same as what we had. Rather than a flapper there was a ball valve that dropped your deposit in a San tank below which, when full, was pressurized with air to discharge overboard. If you used the toilet when the tank was pressurized the results were pretty ugly.
Great video, one of you best.
There is a classic scene in Operation Petticoat about using the head.
On occasion you would get a blockage between the trap and the gravity tank we would have to plastic sheet the whole of the head with the door's closed and back blow the sewage tanks this would result in many gallons of crap coating the inside of the head space the job of clearing out fell to the greenhornes
What if you do all the “pre” work and realize you gravely mistook your um calculations. And realized you should’ve used option for #2 but you chose option #1? Do you hold the lava flow as you start over or could you just add more water to be the correct amount for #2
Either booby trapping the flapper valve or leaving the can full and pressurized, or getting the sequence wrong, you could end up sitting on a column of water and detritus at sea pressure. We called it the "submariner's bidet" or "diver's douche". Hilarity reigned. I, of course, never participated in such shenanigans, I heard it from a shipmate.
Yea... we believe you😅
Paul, this video is for Shots and Giggles😮. Still, important to document how everything works since the knowledge will be lost in time.
On a lighter note, I would love to see a video about working a simpler mechanism than the head.. how about the TDC?
In time!
Thank you, great job,,,I think.👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
This is great talking about "shit"!!!!
When you left a sub you really really knew your shit
That was very interesting, now I can see why there are some stories about toilet horrors on submarines. I do have a question though. Were the holding tanks for the gravity flush toilets big enough to contain the waste for an entire patrol, or did they also have a procedure for emptying them while underway? If so, was there a manual of emptying for the tanks as well?
Not that big. I'm told they were blown about two or three times week on patrol.
The blown tank had to be vented afterward, so you wanted to blow it while surfaced, and vent overboard. Venting the sanitary tank inboard was quite unpleasant.
@@The_DuMont_Network Venting the tanks inboard was done through charcoal filters so most of the time it wasn't noticable.
This videos shows that on a WWII fleet submarine, S hitting the fan is a real and legitimate possibility.
Paul, thanks for this. Have you ever heard of the red toilet? I'd never heard of it until a few years back. Asked my dad about it, (W.W.II) vet, and he said he'd never heard of it either. Seems the seat was painted red for those that had contracted a venereal disease. I know, seems like an antiquated thought, but in the 1940s medicine was still in an experimental state, especially regarding the transmission of VD. Probably on larger vessels as a sub couldn't accommodate such an inconvenience.
They were called
"The Hot Seat"
Several videos on TH-cam about them.
Yes it was a thing on surface shops. Woth only three enlisted heads on a sub it wasn't practical.
@@jawharpist Thanks!
USS New Jersey channel has a video about it filmed from on the USS Kidd (I think).
@@JoshuaTootell Thanks!
Very interesting! 👍
I wonder if that is the origin of “shit storm”
Never knew how they worked, thanks. But I could tell you how to use the head on the space shuttle.
Just curious - was the water pumped in for the heads fresh water or sea water? I could see reasons for both - using sea water to conserve fresh water or using fresh water to prevent corrosion of piping.
Curious why they didn't add a toilet seat cover. At least any reverse pressure would keep it off your face, the overhead, etc.
Very good description i hope I never have to use one.
Did Cod have a connection to pump sewage ashore when she was docked?
Absolutely no need! Until 1972 when the EPA made overboard discharge on the Great Lakes illegal. Navy ships blew sanitaries in port until recently.
And no handwashing facility?
The sink is across the room.
If it had been invented and the spies had stolen the plans, modern Japanese style toilets on a submarine would have greatly reduced the amount of toilet needed while on patrol. And the flapper valve is similar to the valve on toilets on trains which today blow the contents of the chamber below the toilet into the holding tank with compressed air. On trains, the flapper valve is kept closed by a spring and the blast of compressed air forces the flapper valve into a seal so the contents of the lower chamber do not come back out of the bowl.
I’ll just wait till I’m home thanks
@06:40 ahahah.... look at the size and number of the bolts on that baby compared to your at home!
Took me about five years after I left the Navy to learn to say "close" instead of "shut".
How did a fleet submarine smell after a patrol?
It is indescribable, after a long dive when the hatch was opened assuming a bit of pressure had built up, a yellowish fog escaped till the engines had started and vented the boat. The smell was unwashed bodies, diesel vapors, cooking, toilet, and frequently rotting food.
Our boats were relatively clean, the German and Japanese not so much, however the old S, R and O class subs (leftovers from WW1) were worse...called "pig boats" for a reason.
@michaelyounger4497 bad after a long five as stated earlier by our poster... but remember these boats were surfaced 95% of the time and the ventilation system was powerful.
My uncle, a submariner always tells the story of someone using the pressure toilet incorrectly, or attempting to clear a clog. and describes hearing a loud noise, looking into the hallway and seeing a green cloud coming down the hall 😂then they all had to go to the medic for shots
Did Evan get a new camera? I see there are resolution levels above 1080p now.
We shoot everything in HD... but TH-cam’s in charge...
Never realized using the head on a submarine was so complicated. Did they require a head check-off before newbies were allowed to attempt to use same?
Simpler than modern composting toilets.
That was some pretty tame reading material. More likely it was GQ, Tijuana bibles or Esquire. Back then, they were far, far racier than the watered-down versions of today.
Was there an army issued scented candle?
did you seriously give us a virtual swirley
Blame Evan!
Was the toilet scene in 2001 A Space Odyssey inspired by this?
Ha!!! I hope modern subs aren’t that complicated.
LOL, pressurized crap bomb!
informative lol
I don’t think that’s funny at all…the washers on the flapper😮
Well this the probably the smelliest on yet.
Don’t ask me why Im here, I seen the title and clicked.
Welcome aboard, shipmate!😂
Whale of a video. Thar she blows!