@@dmitrysteinsapir2185 sidious is insane in de so iq to valk makes sense, force abilities can go to sidious but power can go to valk>~ or just~, endurance to valk is correct, knowledge can be equal
@@swst0rmA thing to consider is that EOO Vitiate apparently isn't actually him. It's a copy of his mind. The actual Tenebrae seems to have died for good in KOTFE. Imo prime Sidious takes on all version of him, the lore states him to be the most powerful Sith of all time more than once.
@@emzonik8851 its a spiritual imprint of him and he's still the same being its just that the imprint of him was created BEFORE he was valkorion or vitiate which means that he has no wisdom gained from his past experience of being valkorion or vitiate
@@LebronJamesRetireAlreadyDamnlt Look at it from the perspective of KOTET Tenebrae/Valkorion tho. What happenes to him after he's destroyed? He doesn't suddenly become that imprit or merge with it, etc. He's dead and gone, banished to chaos. The imprint on the other hand continues to exist but it's a separate consciousness. It's the same thing as Jor'el's hologram in Man of Steel but made through the Force rather than tech. He is also powerful in the Force, which is a bit harder to explain, but there's no logical indication of EOO character being the same continuous entity as its predecessor.
Vitiate thretaned existence itself, dominated the wills of thousands of powerful sith and could destroy planets for sh*ts and giggles Palpatine fell down a reactor shaft and got isolated from the force by two mortals Valkorion was so powerful the force itself had to intervene
Sidious lost to two mortals who got amped by every Jedi ever and all the light side power in the galaxy, but yh he pretty much got obliterated and there isn't really any offensive advantages for Sidious
Sidious bodies I think people don’t understand how powerful sidious was just because the game portrays vitiate as this god. Vitiate was powerful but also don’t forget he got that way from absorbing all those sith and those he locked away living off there lives. Sidious powers grew beyond him seeing that his own body couldn’t contain it, he mastered most all sith spells and created some and bettered a lot of other spells, stated to be the strongest sith ever.
@@brianq6244 "sidious's body couldnt contain his body" bro emperor vitiate litterally only died because his body couldnt contain his power, how vitiate gained his power is irrelavant and sidious litterally did a similar feat on byss, every statement saying sidious is the most powerful sith ever litterally predates vitiate or doesnt bind him considering in his kotet prime he was no longer a sith
@@swst0rm vitiate got killed. I played the game. Even when he became valkorion he got defeated. Sidious had mastered most techniques from His past predecessors. He had holocroms that taught him the old mistakes in which he learned from he talked about Malgus, Revan, vitiate individuals who lived through that time and any info the Jedi had. The writer who knows of vitiate states sidious is the most powerful I don’t understand how you all choose to ignore this at all lol. Your personal opinion from the individual who Wrote it is mind blowing. Vitiate was powerful but he wouldn’t want to see sidious . Light saber he wouldn’t be able stand against sidious not including sidious had electicity and fire
@@brianq6244 "vitiate got killed" how tf is that relevant so did sidious goofy, and okay lets bring in writer statements the lead writer of the revan novel and stwor litterally decsribed novel vitiate and rotj sidious on the same level, i also want you to quote all of your claims, also the writer of dark empire litterally said that de sidious was weaker then exar kun who is stated below valkorion
@@swst0rmthey never in revan novel described sidious and vitiate on the same lvl seeing revan never even knew of sidious. The dark empire only down fall of sidious is finding a body that could contain his power when his clones got destroyed sidious power was destroying him, he also defeated Luke the strongest Jedi of his time, sidious is everything vitiate wish he could be if not more. As stated sidious is the strongest sith ever and only one to have maybe surpass him was Vader who was born from the force itself and when he became mechanical that went away. Vitiate and sidious aren’t on the same lvl at all, intelligence wise, light saber wise, or in the force
@@brianq6244 are you reading anything i am typing i litterally said the LEAD WRITER, luke litterally obliterated sidious in their final confrontation, your logic is contradictory anyways if you are using the logic that dating of statements matter you contradict all if your statements, you also seem to be ignoring the entire exar kun point
@@SquabbIedFartLekany clueless fan will tell you that vitiate is the strongest however those who actually read both materials of canon and legends actually know that Drk Empire Sidious is by far the most powerful sith Lord of all time
@@eonragnarock2366 TLDR: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Vitiate will absolutely shitstomp Sidious into oblivion. Tenebrae needed the spirit of everyone he has ever affected, every Jedi ever, 30 luminous oneness beings who were amped by a high force dimension, the Netherworld, and literally the force itself to be beaten and even then he still resisted for a good 30-40 seconds while other beings such as Sidious, who was in a similar situation pretty much got insta 1-shotted. Valk literally transcended beyond light and dark and is an extra-dimensional anomaly in the Force. Valk has the capability to open portals and was even stated to be a celestial-like being. His mere existence weighed down on the force itself for centuries weakening everyone and everything in the universe which is something no one has achieved ever on such a massive scale. Valk is stated above Abeloth, who could easily shape entire universes to her liking, and WorldRazer, who could effortlessly destroy thousands of stars and planets. And Vitiate during Ziost with his mere activity on the and presence on the planet killed multiple stars from literal light years away. It was also stated in a SWTOR data-bank that an extremely pre prime version of Valk prevented 1.5 billion planets from collapsing into the chaos of the netherworld. Even an extremely pre prime version of Tenebrae was literally able to make Nathema devoid of the force and wipe out thousands of sith, which turned him into a unique being. All life was wiped out and Nathema became dryer than a McDonald's cheeseburger. And Vitiate was going to destroy the entire universe and would've succeeded had he not been stopped by the Hero of Tython. In fact, Vitiate's soul had so much power and evil and darkness in it that when he showed Scourge a glimpse of it for merely less than a second, Scourge cried out in agony and collapsed onto the floor. Valk is the master of all the force dimensions in the main SW universe and his existence suffocating those dimensions, tearing apart its fabric overtime. Valk overall is just beyond the dimensions in the main universe and could be a possible threat to the multiverse and all of space excluding extra-dimensional areas such as otherspace, the plane of Erets, etc. Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valk as a phenomenon in the Force: Tenebrae was born with eyes as black as the voice of space, never cried as an infant, and whenever he talked, his voice would carry a weight and power that shouldn't have come from a child. He easily stripped his father, Sith Lord Dramath of his power. What's more is that no one has ever taught Tenebrae how to act and how to use the dark side of the Force properly, yet he already naturally knew. It would be logical to say that the dark side chose to adopt Tenebrae as its living embodiment/student. Some of Valk's other impressive feats: Almost stopping time, preventing every being that died in his lifespan after the ritual of Nathema from fully becoming one with the force, becoming nigh-omniscient and omnipotent after the Nathema ritual, surviving in the void for months without an anchor as a significantly weakened spirit, his death in KOTET causing a galactic death wave, caused never-ending thunderstorms on Dromund Kaas, putting Vaylin, Arcann, and OL in a force stasis with ease, being stated that he would be superior to the entire sith empire and eternal empire combined and made it so that he would feed off their power, making a holocron so powerful that it is able to imprison his prime self, conjuring the most powerful sith spawn in history, his soul concentrating all the power of Nathema, which is above the Ambria nexus, which would've destroyed a ton of planets if released, his existence permanently preventing Nathema from turning back to the way it was, being above the Zakuul deities, being stated above Abeloth's avatars in FOTJ, his concentrated power from Nathema alone was more powerful than the planet Upekzar, which Luke had claimed was the most powerful darkside nexus he ever came across and that if he and his team were to fight it, they would lose, putting the entire Eternal Empire, OL, Senya, and Arcann in a force stasis effortlessly, shifting the balance of the Force, being the master of life and death, ragdolling the entire EOO strike team with ease, essentially surviving being shot into a star, drawing on an unknown source in EOO that allowed him to regain all his power, which was something only he could do, and his pre prime effortlessly collapsing the Dark Temple while severely weakened and about to die. “A being of unfathomable power and insatiable appetite, he transcended death multiple times, shedding his physical shells as they were discovered, defeated, and destroyed… only to return in another form.” -SWTOR: KOTET: Codex Entry (The Fall of Valkorion) "Early in his reign, Vitiate invited thousands of the most powerful Sith Lords to his homeworld, then wiped out his would-be challengers in a profane dark side ritual that annihilated all life on the planet. Even the Force could not survive. The void that remained after the ritual brought pain and suffering to any Force-sensitive beings that approached." -SWTOR: KOTFE: Codex Entry (Nathema) "Once they arrived on Nathema, they quickly fell under Lord Vitiate's control. He dominated their minds, crushed their resistance. He turned them into slaves to his will, forcing them to participate in the most complex ritual of Sith sorcery ever attempted. Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. But the ritual was not confined to the doomed Sith Lords. They were but the eye of the storm; the center of a vortex that spread across the entire planet. Every man, woman, and child on Nathema died that day. Every beast, bird, and fish; all the insects and plants; every living being touched by the Force was consumed. When the ritual ended, Nathema was no longer a world. It was a husk sucked dry. Lord Vitiate sacrificed millions, stealing their life force to make himself immortal. Their deaths also made him stronger than any Sith who had come before, and he ceased to be known as Lord Vitiate. On that day, the Emperor was truly born.” - Darth Nyriss "It took him several moments to realize what was wrong, and even when he did, he didn't fully grasp the implications. He wasn't feeling the Force. The sensation was completely alien. The Force was omnipresent. It radiated stronger in certain places and at certain times, and the balance of the dark side and the light constantly shifted. But it was always there in some way, shape, or form. Now, however, he felt nothing. He had become so accustomed to the presence of the Force in the background that its complete absence was almost overwhelming, leaving him unable to speak." - Revan Novel "Scourge was well acquainted with death. He had no trouble understanding massacres and mass slaughter. Death and destruction unleashed powerful emotions like fear, suffering, and hatred; they fueled the power of the dark side. But what had happened on Nathema was different, and it disturbed him in a deep and profound way. The Emperor had consumed everything. Life, sound, color, even the Force - nothing remained. This wasn't about conquest or domination or destroying an enemy - all concepts Scourge embraced." - Revan Novel "Scourge finally understood why Nyriss and the others wanted to take the Emperor down. Destroying your enemies - even destroying a planet - was understandable. But this wasn't simple destruction. It was annihilation; obliteration. The very fabric of the Force had been shredded. Anyone capable of turning an entire planet into a nihilistic abomination had to be completely mad." - Revan Novel "As he spoke, the dark circles of his eyes seemed to fill with a swirling red mist, and for a brief instant the Emperor gave Scourge a glimpse of his true self. Scourge cried out in anguish as the Emperor's mind brushed against his, then he collapsed to the floor, shaking like a child. The touch lasted less than a second, but in that time he witnessed indescribable horrors that dwarfed anything the dark side could conjure even in his worst nightmares. And beneath the formless terrors lurked the unbearable Void, the pure emptiness of total annihilation." - Revan Novel "The lifeless planet of Medriaas became a void in the Force and was erased from history." - SWTOR Encyclopedia
@@SquabbIedFartLekLiterarly every single sentence you wrote here is either made up or a complete misunderstanding of Tenebrae's character, the sources you provided and Legends lore at large.
Well its kinda 50/50 to be honest but with new scale on sidious maybe hed win
I'd say Valk High diffs
Sidious wins. He probably is the second/third most powerful Sith Lord.
50/50 tbh, but imo Valk takes it extreme diff
Vitiate been underated
Endurance to Vitiate, IQ, force power, and knowledge to Palpatine, force abilities to both. Palpatine high-extreme diffs
@@dmitrysteinsapir2185 sidious is insane in de so iq to valk makes sense, force abilities can go to sidious but power can go to valk>~ or just~, endurance to valk is correct, knowledge can be equal
@@swst0rm DE Palpatine is in a good state of mind for the first 2 chapters, but in DE end he's insane mentally yes
I would say DE Sidious > EOO Vitiate but EOO Vitiate > ROTJ Sidious. Also Mid-Extreme?
Kotet is widley considered valkorions prime but this said vitiate id have valk above still
imo Valk gaps mainly because he better feats in terms of both quality and quantity
@@swst0rmA thing to consider is that EOO Vitiate apparently isn't actually him. It's a copy of his mind. The actual Tenebrae seems to have died for good in KOTFE.
Imo prime Sidious takes on all version of him, the lore states him to be the most powerful Sith of all time more than once.
@@emzonik8851 its a spiritual imprint of him and he's still the same being its just that the imprint of him was created BEFORE he was valkorion or vitiate which means that he has no wisdom gained from his past experience of being valkorion or vitiate
@@LebronJamesRetireAlreadyDamnlt Look at it from the perspective of KOTET Tenebrae/Valkorion tho. What happenes to him after he's destroyed? He doesn't suddenly become that imprit or merge with it, etc. He's dead and gone, banished to chaos. The imprint on the other hand continues to exist but it's a separate consciousness. It's the same thing as Jor'el's hologram in Man of Steel but made through the Force rather than tech. He is also powerful in the Force, which is a bit harder to explain, but there's no logical indication of EOO character being the same continuous entity as its predecessor.
Vitiate thretaned existence itself, dominated the wills of thousands of powerful sith and could destroy planets for sh*ts and giggles
Palpatine fell down a reactor shaft and got isolated from the force by two mortals
Valkorion was so powerful the force itself had to intervene
Sidious lost to two mortals who got amped by every Jedi ever and all the light side power in the galaxy, but yh he pretty much got obliterated and there isn't really any offensive advantages for Sidious
And? lol comp vitiate/valk/tenebrae gets one shotted by those exact mortals.
Sidious bodies I think people don’t understand how powerful sidious was just because the game portrays vitiate as this god. Vitiate was powerful but also don’t forget he got that way from absorbing all those sith and those he locked away living off there lives. Sidious powers grew beyond him seeing that his own body couldn’t contain it, he mastered most all sith spells and created some and bettered a lot of other spells, stated to be the strongest sith ever.
@@brianq6244 "sidious's body couldnt contain his body" bro emperor vitiate litterally only died because his body couldnt contain his power, how vitiate gained his power is irrelavant and sidious litterally did a similar feat on byss, every statement saying sidious is the most powerful sith ever litterally predates vitiate or doesnt bind him considering in his kotet prime he was no longer a sith
@@swst0rm vitiate got killed. I played the game. Even when he became valkorion he got defeated. Sidious had mastered most techniques from
His past predecessors. He had holocroms that taught him the old mistakes in which he learned from he talked about Malgus, Revan, vitiate individuals who lived through that time and any info the Jedi had. The writer who knows of vitiate states sidious is the most powerful I don’t understand how you all choose to ignore this at all lol. Your personal opinion from the individual who
Wrote it is mind blowing. Vitiate was powerful but he wouldn’t want to see sidious . Light saber he wouldn’t be able stand against sidious not including sidious had electicity and fire
@@brianq6244 "vitiate got killed" how tf is that relevant so did sidious goofy, and okay lets bring in writer statements the lead writer of the revan novel and stwor litterally decsribed novel vitiate and rotj sidious on the same level, i also want you to quote all of your claims, also the writer of dark empire litterally said that de sidious was weaker then exar kun who is stated below valkorion
@@swst0rmthey never in revan novel described sidious and vitiate on the same lvl seeing revan never even knew of sidious. The dark empire only down fall of sidious is finding a body that could contain his power when his clones got destroyed sidious power was destroying him, he also defeated Luke the strongest Jedi of his time, sidious is everything vitiate wish he could be if not more. As stated sidious is the strongest sith ever and only one to have maybe surpass him was Vader who was born from the force itself and when he became mechanical that went away. Vitiate and sidious aren’t on the same lvl at all, intelligence wise, light saber wise, or in the force
@@brianq6244 are you reading anything i am typing i litterally said the LEAD WRITER, luke litterally obliterated sidious in their final confrontation, your logic is contradictory anyways if you are using the logic that dating of statements matter you contradict all if your statements, you also seem to be ignoring the entire exar kun point
Vitiate wins no diff
What is the song/cover?
Shadow lady-portwave
Сидиус>>>>>
Stop the cap
Start using English
@@DarthNox66 no
@@ИринаИванова-и9б9щ Ok kid. I didn't asked you
Sidious solos
no
@@SquabbIedFartLekany clueless fan will tell you that vitiate is the strongest however those who actually read both materials of canon and legends actually know that Drk Empire Sidious is by far the most powerful sith Lord of all time
@@eonragnarock2366 TLDR: Tenebrae/Vitiate/Vitiate will absolutely shitstomp Sidious into oblivion.
Tenebrae needed the spirit of everyone he has ever affected, every Jedi ever, 30 luminous oneness beings who were amped by a high force dimension, the Netherworld, and literally the force itself to be beaten and even then he still resisted for a good 30-40 seconds while other beings such as Sidious, who was in a similar situation pretty much got insta 1-shotted.
Valk literally transcended beyond light and dark and is an extra-dimensional anomaly in the Force. Valk has the capability to open portals and was even stated to be a celestial-like being. His mere existence weighed down on the force itself for centuries weakening everyone and everything in the universe which is something no one has achieved ever on such a massive scale. Valk is stated above Abeloth, who could easily shape entire universes to her liking, and WorldRazer, who could effortlessly destroy thousands of stars and planets.
And Vitiate during Ziost with his mere activity on the and presence on the planet killed multiple stars from literal light years away. It was also stated in a SWTOR data-bank that an extremely pre prime version of Valk prevented 1.5 billion planets from collapsing into the chaos of the netherworld.
Even an extremely pre prime version of Tenebrae was literally able to make Nathema devoid of the force and wipe out thousands of sith, which turned him into a unique being. All life was wiped out and Nathema became dryer than a McDonald's cheeseburger. And Vitiate was going to destroy the entire universe and would've succeeded had he not been stopped by the Hero of Tython.
In fact, Vitiate's soul had so much power and evil and darkness in it that when he showed Scourge a glimpse of it for merely less than a second, Scourge cried out in agony and collapsed onto the floor.
Valk is the master of all the force dimensions in the main SW universe and his existence suffocating those dimensions, tearing apart its fabric overtime. Valk overall is just beyond the dimensions in the main universe and could be a possible threat to the multiverse and all of space excluding extra-dimensional areas such as otherspace, the plane of Erets, etc.
Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valk as a phenomenon in the Force:
Tenebrae was born with eyes as black as the voice of space, never cried as an infant, and whenever he talked, his voice would carry a weight and power that shouldn't have come from a child. He easily stripped his father, Sith Lord Dramath of his power. What's more is that no one has ever taught Tenebrae how to act and how to use the dark side of the Force properly, yet he already naturally knew. It would be logical to say that the dark side chose to adopt Tenebrae as its living embodiment/student.
Some of Valk's other impressive feats:
Almost stopping time, preventing every being that died in his lifespan after the ritual of Nathema from fully becoming one with the force, becoming nigh-omniscient and omnipotent after the Nathema ritual, surviving in the void for months without an anchor as a significantly weakened spirit, his death in KOTET causing a galactic death wave, caused never-ending thunderstorms on Dromund Kaas, putting Vaylin, Arcann, and OL in a force stasis with ease, being stated that he would be superior to the entire sith empire and eternal empire combined and made it so that he would feed off their power, making a holocron so powerful that it is able to imprison his prime self, conjuring the most powerful sith spawn in history, his soul concentrating all the power of Nathema, which is above the Ambria nexus, which would've destroyed a ton of planets if released, his existence permanently preventing Nathema from turning back to the way it was, being above the Zakuul deities, being stated above Abeloth's avatars in FOTJ, his concentrated power from Nathema alone was more powerful than the planet Upekzar, which Luke had claimed was the most powerful darkside nexus he ever came across and that if he and his team were to fight it, they would lose, putting the entire Eternal Empire, OL, Senya, and Arcann in a force stasis effortlessly, shifting the balance of the Force, being the master of life and death, ragdolling the entire EOO strike team with ease, essentially surviving being shot into a star, drawing on an unknown source in EOO that allowed him to regain all his power, which was something only he could do, and his pre prime effortlessly collapsing the Dark Temple while severely weakened and about to die.
“A being of unfathomable power and insatiable appetite, he transcended death multiple times, shedding his physical shells as they were discovered, defeated, and destroyed… only to return in another form.”
-SWTOR: KOTET: Codex Entry (The Fall of Valkorion)
"Early in his reign, Vitiate invited thousands of the most powerful Sith Lords to his homeworld, then wiped out his would-be challengers in a profane dark side ritual that annihilated all life on the planet. Even the Force could not survive. The void that remained after the ritual brought pain and suffering to any Force-sensitive beings that approached."
-SWTOR: KOTFE: Codex Entry (Nathema)
"Once they arrived on Nathema, they quickly fell under Lord Vitiate's control. He dominated their minds, crushed their resistance. He turned them into slaves to his will, forcing them to participate in the most complex ritual of Sith sorcery ever attempted. Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims.
But the ritual was not confined to the doomed Sith Lords. They were but the eye of the storm; the center of a vortex that spread across the entire planet. Every man, woman, and child on Nathema died that day. Every beast, bird, and fish; all the insects and plants; every living being touched by the Force was consumed. When the ritual ended, Nathema was no longer a world. It was a husk sucked dry. Lord Vitiate sacrificed millions, stealing their life force to make himself immortal. Their deaths also made him stronger than any Sith who had come before, and he ceased to be known as Lord Vitiate. On that day, the Emperor was truly born.”
- Darth Nyriss
"It took him several moments to realize what was wrong, and even when he did, he didn't fully grasp the implications. He wasn't feeling the Force.
The sensation was completely alien. The Force was omnipresent. It radiated stronger in certain places and at certain times, and the balance of the dark side and the light constantly shifted. But it was always there in some way, shape, or form.
Now, however, he felt nothing. He had become so accustomed to the presence of the Force in the background that its complete absence was almost overwhelming, leaving him unable to speak."
- Revan Novel
"Scourge was well acquainted with death. He had no trouble understanding massacres and mass slaughter. Death and destruction unleashed powerful emotions like fear, suffering, and hatred; they fueled the power of the dark side. But what had happened on Nathema was different, and it disturbed him in a deep and profound way.
The Emperor had consumed everything. Life, sound, color, even the Force - nothing remained. This wasn't about conquest or domination or destroying an enemy - all concepts Scourge embraced."
- Revan Novel
"Scourge finally understood why Nyriss and the others wanted to take the Emperor down. Destroying your enemies - even destroying a planet - was understandable. But this wasn't simple destruction. It was annihilation; obliteration. The very fabric of the Force had been shredded. Anyone capable of turning an entire planet into a nihilistic abomination had to be completely mad."
- Revan Novel
"As he spoke, the dark circles of his eyes seemed to fill with a swirling red mist, and for a brief instant the Emperor gave Scourge a glimpse of his true self.
Scourge cried out in anguish as the Emperor's mind brushed against his, then he collapsed to the floor, shaking like a child. The touch lasted less than a second, but in that time he witnessed indescribable horrors that dwarfed anything the dark side could conjure even in his worst nightmares. And beneath the formless terrors lurked the unbearable Void, the pure emptiness of total annihilation."
- Revan Novel
"The lifeless planet of Medriaas became a void in the Force and was erased from history."
- SWTOR Encyclopedia
@@SquabbIedFartLekLiterarly every single sentence you wrote here is either made up or a complete misunderstanding of Tenebrae's character, the sources you provided and Legends lore at large.
@@emzonik8851 yeah I wrote it 10 months ago some stuff is bound to be wrong
Sidious wins extreme diff.
sidious solos