Massdrop 99 Noir Review
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Your videos are so carefully crafted, always a joy to watch.
As a 99 Noir owner I agree with a lot of this review. For me I treat it as a “fun” headphone that’s easy for my iPad or iPhone to power.
With that said for anybody that buys it, immediately remove the larger pads it is shipped fitted with and install the smaller set. These cans sound FAR better with the small pads. The bass is still quite present but it tightens up with more definition. The mids and highs also come up noticeably as well. The highs are still recessed but the overall signature is much more cohesive with the smaller pads installed and approaches what the original 99 Classic sounded like that everyone raves about before Meze (for reasons unexplained) switched to larger pads without retuning.
I think they switched to larger pads because their original pad supplier went out of business. However, I dont know why they didnt retune them.
My thoughts exactly. I was wondering if anyone else had the same impression, so good to know I wasn’t off.
I posted a comment a while back saying I might pass on the drop if the extra pads were actually more bass than the stock ones, but I read several comments and posters saying the opposite; I haven't seen anyone claim that they sound the same as the original Classics, but I think the idea was that they get at least as close as possible with this reproduction; I have to agree with the others, I don't find the extra pads overly bassy at all. The bass is north of neutral but it doesn't drown any mid or treble frequencies and remains relatively balanced, nor do I find it muddy. Not the tightest but it does a good job. I haven't tried the larger pre-installed pads but I imagine those are the bassier ones. I really like these, I'm glad I joined the drop. And appreciate your review and impressions!
Definitely go with smaller pads - it sounds heck of a lot better. I think with smaller pads it effectively becomes 99 classics - when I took off the larger pads, the drivers had "99 Classics" printed on them. The smaller pads tighten up the bass and bring up mid and treble to a level that is very enjoyable. I think Josh might have mixed up large and small pads in the video. The treble and mid becomes gets a boost, while the bass stays about the same but just becomes tighter.
Hey Josh, i need some help regarding what Headphone should i buy..
So i Saw these two headphones, *"Blue Mo-Fi"* and *"Focal Listen"* on the online shopping site in my country. They both have a similar price (it's about 270-300 in dollars i presume) which headphone do you think is the best between the two?
Thanks Josh 😁 Amazing content as always!
I like the noire. Also extra earpads and $100 cheaper. I'm getting the noire version for sure.
I just found your channel and I gotta say I'm really happy youtube suggestions stumbled me in here. Quality of vid is great and products reviewed are super cool. Great channel!
Hi Joshua. I am new to your channel and really like your reviews.
The thing is, i'm looking for a good headphone for overall usage. (gaming, movie, music). but not competitive gaming.
Which headphone would you recommend?
What other headphones would you recomend, for the same fun sound. So like you said for movies and non competive gaming.
Hi Victor I have these and if you are not overly concerend about comp gaming with these it is really great love the low range, sound is pretty crisp and if you have only had "cheap" gaming headsets this is a big step up on sound trust me.
Im 9 months late, what headphone did you end up getting? lol
1more triple driver headphones
@@ilcampsometimes sorry man didn't answer... umm I ended up getting a lot of headphones 😅
@@albertweedsteinthethuggeni7797 thanks!
Fun headphone makes it sound like it's a pair of Beats. I have these and they are the most enjoyable listen I've ever heard. You can wear them forever and not get tired of them or the sound they produce.
Your review is simple, easy to understand and straight to the point. Subsd !!!
Thanks for the review an honest comments, however i just want to point out that I noticed that as you review more and more gear the more picky you get in your reviews. Cool to see your evolution as a reviewer LOL keep the good work
with that album reference used, I know this cans are good for bassy stuff
@joshua, you mention there are better options. What would you suggest that’s 200usd (or less) and primarily for rnb/hip hop/pop music. No need for analytical use. Thanks
Had the original 99c, sold them after the original small pads broke, no other pads do the justice.
Headband is great, feels like you don't wear anything, but the clamping force is quite high.
Get MDR1am2, Momentum or M40x + ZMF/Dekoni/Brainwavz pads instead.
Josh if only you could have heard the 99 Classics with the original pads.. totally different experience.
Yeah in his review it seemed a bit confusing. Because from what I read the smaller pad is the "original pad" and the bigger pad is the "new edition pads". And the smaller "original pads" from what I gather from the frequency graph is that it has less mid bass, more sub bass, and more mid and treble. Effectively better than the "new edition pads" in every way.
So I'm not sure if had it reversed when he compared the pads???? Also when he reviewed his 99 Classic I'm not sure which pad is on it at the time.
@@FusionMusic Well...I just switched to the smaller pads on the 99 noir, and... 100 times better. I think Josh probably did have them reversed. Or something else weird was going on. I was very disappointed with the pre-installed pads. Like it a whole lot with the smaller (less comfortable) pads.
I am running a Fulla 2 and Sennheiser 58x on my laptop desk music setup (my starter audiophile set up). For my birthday, I just ordered the FiiO Q5s so I have a DAC/Amp I can take with me and to replace my Fulla 2 for at home use when I have to return it (I am borrowing it). Along with the FiiO, I got these Meze 99 Noir, and I’m pretty excited. I’ll have headphones I can take with me to use with my portable DAC/Amp and to use at home as well. What do you guys think?
Not my experience with my set. The extra pads on mine, tone down the bass, and tone up the trebble a bit... both pads lose the forwardness in the middle of the midrange, but it's more noticeable on the stock pads; with the smaller/thinner pads being more even in presentation. Nevertheless the flare in the midrange is recessed at times, no matter what, which is relaxing, but also throws off your expectations. They did require significant burn in to even out as well.
Gotta say I mostly agree with that. What I heard with the new smaller pads is completely opposite to what Josh has described. My impression is that with the stock pads, bass is bloated, flabby and slow. Notes linger longer than they should and bleed into the lower midrange making the 99's sound a bit muddy. With the new smaller pads, the bass is decreased a bit and tightened up. Still pretty bassy, but not as slow and bloated. As a result, midrange comes forward in the mix and sounds clearer with more detail. I don't think that treble is affected much. Nothing bothered me, anyway. Maybe I'll have to go back and listen again.
@@robstivers1994 as a side note, I use a dac portable with a treble boost that actually fixes any treble spikes (was only on certain tracks) and unbloats the bass/brings the recessed parts of the mids more forward... it's like the perfect fix for these (with the smaller pads)!
Still good!
hey josh I just ordered the dt 1990 pros and i own the Nfb 11.28 will it drive the 1990 pro or should i invest in a new amp
Love your content btw ^^
it should be more than enough
@@irun2sanaxox i was thinking about THX AAA 789 but ill save my money than thank you brother
I want 789 too. Only problem is that Massdrop only drop it like every solar eclipse or something. too rare to grab one😢
@@kukritsukawat4774 that's why i just went and ordered the 1990 waited for it for too long😑
More than enough, some people drive the DT1990 off of the built in amp +quad dac of the lg v20 and get good results.
Nice quick review!
Just got these today and good god they have some epic bass. I gotta admit the 3rd track on the billie ilish album hits hard. Very fun listen.
Josh, good video! Can you please do a comparison between the same Massdroos and Bose and Sony?!
Great review hope you can review the Verun One as soon as possible
What are better options for the same price?
@JoshuaValour what would you recommend a closed back at the same price range over this?
Is this good for metal?
So I love detail, but am very easily fatigued. Don't mind a little mid bass punch, but these sound like they may go to far.
Need close back.
Any suggestions for another fun, not fatiguing closed back that isn't too over done?
Thank you
4:40 What are the closed back alternatives to this? I am looking to get a pair of closed back cans to complement my HD650 and HD599 SE.
Ah, so from your review, the pads don't really simulate the signature of the early iteration of the 99 Classics? Seems like they doubled down rather than returned to the so-called 'closed back 600' sound reviewers were describing.
P.S. as a fan of bass and warmth, please do the Klipsch HP-3. Am considering ending my journey there someday. Thanks!
I could be wrong but I thought the smaller pads that's included is suppose to emulate the "original" pad sound.
I ordered these and cancelled due to no info on order status from drop. Drop is good only for regional locations. It's useless for international customers. No HSN number to calculate custom duty and ship date months after placing order
Waiting for that Darkvoice review I got mine on its way in couple days, excited. But don't know anything about tubes. :/
Darkvoice is good!
Not good enough to "game competitively"? What does that even mean?
How do you lose a gaming comp cos of headphones?
its not gonna be night and day, good aim and game sense will beat HQ audio any day. The highs on this headphone are just faded a bit compared to the bass. You might not hear certain sounds such as footsteps and reloads as well as you could with a neutral open back headphone. Honestly most gaming headsets now a days will be good enough for competitive gaming at any level. You just have to remember that there is a satisfaction to hear better more powerful audio in any media.
So these are not the cans you are looking for (if you are looking for reference headphones).
They are as HOT as the other meze that you mentioned in your older review? Since I live in Brazil this is super important!
Every closed-back with pleather/leather will be HOT more or less.
Buy open-back with velour instead.
@@user-23590 Recently I bouth the Bose QC25 and They are fine also in Christmas giveaway Josh gave me the M&O and they are fine as well. The reason that I prefer a closed back is because I usually listen walking or in a class( loud enviroments)
@@LordBDL5 Maybe get one with large earpads, real leather or perforated.
Because i've used some headphones and no closed-back without sweating.
Ok, honest question, What closed back it's better than this at $ 200 ?
Beterdynamic DT770, DT150, Custom Studio
AKG K550 MK3
vintage AKG K270 Studio.
My choice would be either Beterdynamic DT150 or AKG K270 (if you can find them)
@@stanisawszczypua9076 The 770 it's supposedly insanely v-shape with obscene bass, so that's off my list, the DT150 seems to have rough and uneven treble, the only one of these options I was considering it's the K550.
Since Josh said there were better options at the price range, I'm very curious about it, the only one I can think it's the HP50 but those have a serious QC problem, then we have the beoplay H6 2nd Gen but that's way more than $ 200.
@@jamhedon DT150 have normal beterdynamic stile treble I don't know who told you that there is something wrong with them. Bass might be a bit to have for my taste but there is always option to get velour pads from DT100.
You might also want to check Beterdynamic Custom Studio basically DT770 80ohm with removable cable and bass adjustment via bass ports.
When are you reviewing the focal clears? Been waiting for that review
just got that same shirt, good taste in headphones and clothes hahaha
It looks like you got lint all over
Well, this is disappointing. I hope Meze makes a budget headphone similar to the Empyrean.
Pad swap Brainwavs onto these - the ones that fit skullcrushers worked for me and are hybrid velour and fenestrated pleather
good review. your videos are well made
>bass is really loose
oh that's a no go
that's so funny that you use billie's album because the track, xanny, is one of my bass tracks. a lot of headphones i have don't do well with it
Please,
Bottom line, which pads are best to reduce bass boominess, increase trebble and comfiness?
Also is there a difference between Neo and Nior version?
@@aight365 Definitely go with smaller pads - it sounds heck of a lot better. I think with smaller pads it effectively becomes 99 classics - when I took off the larger pads, the drivers had "99 Classics" printed on them. The smaller pads tighten up the bass and bring up mid and treble to a level that is very enjoyable. I think Josh might have mixed up large and small pads in the video. The treble and mid gets a boost, while the bass stays about the same but just becomes tighter.
@@SuperSeltzer Great! thanks!
@@SuperSeltzer I'm picking up the micro suede pads from Brainwavz. I've heard they do a great job.
Doesn't look like it fits larger heads. Is it similar to an audioquest or Beyer?
Smaller than both I think. Lots of headband extension though.
I have a fairly large head and they do fit, but are a bit small. I may be more concerned with bigger ears with the smaller pads now.
These are a great deal and look very stealth.
Joshua, Not sure if I got your email correct, but tried to contact you a couple days ago. Would be great to hear back from you.
Quick and sweet
Is that dandruff or is it still snowing where you're at?
They look a lot better murdered out.
this or the DT770?
Go for DT150 better than either of them.
DT 1770 is horrible. Owned a pair, they're wayyy to sharp on the treble and very fatiguing mixed with mediocre mid range.
LMAO didn't expect you recommending this album
I like lots of different music 🤷🏻♂️
@@JoshuaValour that's cool, me too. But sometimes I have the feeling a lot of _audiophiles_ are allergic to mainstream music and pop just because it's mainstream and pop
I turned on the subtitles, got Korean sub
And it's far from being accurate
Geat album recommendation, Billy Eilish is amazing. Yes lots of bass in the album so for bassy headphones like these it's great. I really like the Meze cans and would pick it up if I needed a new set which I don't!
Or get m60x's and have both fun bass and analytical detail.
Warning to Joshua Valour: the subtitles of your video do not work. TH-cam says that Korean language is generated automatically! When I translate into my language (the French), the subtitles talk about a lot of things that have nothing to do with what you say in your video. This is the first time I have seen such an anomaly in the subtitling of a TH-cam video.
Tnx god they are not dandruff
The new Billie Eilish album is a great bass test for EVERY earphone and headphone 😁
Josh, you are freaking KILLING ME man. I've said this on another of your videos. Saying "it clocks in at a sound pressure level of 103 db" is useless and makes you sound ignorant. Spl alone is just sound pressure level. **If you're trying to give us an idea of efficiency, you need to add on the "per mW" or "per V" (the two are different, and it matters)** Stating it correctly would look like: "The headphones have an efficiency of 103db spl/mW and they have an impedance of 32 ohms."
Everything in America for headphones is measured per mW. Check any site, audeze, senn, hifiman, meze, you name it. It is ALWAYS per mW. I don’t need to tack it on to the end every time if it’s common practice within the headphone industry. Even still it’s such a small thing to worry about, because if you REALLY need to know the specs you can read all that online already. It’s meant to be quick tacked on info.
@@JoshuaValour Let's put it another way. Yes, everyone in America knows that fuel efficiency is stated as miles per gallon, but nobody just says "my Acura clocks in at 19 miles". 19 miles... what? Oh, you mean miles *per gallon*. Without *per gallon*, it just sounds alien and incorrect. Anyway, I can see why this doesn't matter to you, but I thought I'd point it out anyway. Have a good one.
@@aja8590 Dude, there are people from other parts of the world, where standards are different! And clarifying it wouldn't make it that much harder for Josh to make the video. However maybe he could have been a bit more gentlemanly in his request?
Björn Sigurðsson Don’t people jerk off in other countries?
Its pronounced "Valure" not "Valor".
My last name?
@@JoshuaValour
Yes, duh.
lol
@@JoshuaValour
xD
Hell yeah Billie Eilish.
Kinda disappointed that they didn't include the gen 1 pads that were more linear sounding in place of the extra bass (even more bass than stock 99 Classics is pretty... impressive). Ah well, someday.
Billie Eilish recommendation? Aw mate that is disappointing to see you do that.