Soul Reaver 1: Raziel’s describes the transformations: ‘We became less human and more...divine.’ Turel ends up a blind, shackled god worshipped in the depths of Avernus. These games were so well written.
Yeah, we can chalk the corruption Raziel's brothers endured thanks to Nupraptor's curse corrupting Kain as it did the others in the Circle, and since Kain used part of his soul to revive the Sarafan as his sons, it affected them too, even Raziel to a small extent, but not as much as his brothers due to his being cast into the abyss when Kain set his plans into motion to try to defy history and help him and Raziel reclaim their true destinies.
@@BryonYoungbloodThese are the questions in the lore that annoys me. How did Kain do this severing of his soul to create his vampire lieutenants/sons? How and why Raziel became what he is now and why did the abyss make him the only one with free will?
i love that raziel actually pities turel here. once he realizes what's going on, that turel is being tortured and is insane, the "why do you stay in this terrible place?" seems like it's genuinely pity. compared to the willful hate for the other brothers, this is a sad outcome. nobody could've done this better than Michael Bell.
This is part of why Raziel is such a good protagonist, imo. Even with how much he gets thrown around and manipulated by everyone, he actually has room for sympathy and empathy, and in the face of danger holds onto that and what he believes is right. Kain is also an amazing character, but his sadism and aloof nature makes me feel more at home with Raziel, instead.
Course I’m sure Raziel would have been less forgiving if he found out that Turel had wiped out the Razielim, not even on the orders of Kain but by his own volition.
@@atheopagan To be fair he held a grudge towards him and Turel for personally tossing him into the Abyss without questioning Kain, I think Raziel earned the right to be just a LITTLE bitter lmao
I wonder if it was the same reason as he says to let him past in the pre-release versions of Soul Reaver 1 where he "had enough blood on his hands today." He might be referring to how he had enough of murdering his brothers at that point.
The way Turel approaches Raziel when he is saying Time to run, time to scream, time to die is magnificent. Even the toughest enemy would freeze in panic over that site.
Even to this day, the voice acting and facial animation for this game holds up extremely well. Turel's voice is really cool. It's too bad he doesn't have more lines in the game.
@@Brandelwyn Melchiah and Zephon were totally grotesque, Dumah had laid dead for centuries I'm guessing before Raziel pulled the spares from him and allowed his soul to reenter his body so he was unable to mutate further. I always wonder what would have happen to Raziel had Kain not thrown him into the abyss
Something I never noticed on the first playthrough. With all the confusion over who is which champion, and with the Elder God screwing with them to get what he wants, I never noticed that the HYLDEN THEMSELVES clearly believe that Raziel is their champion. They say as much when they tell him to act in this very scene. They aren't trying to trick him into being their champion and killing Kain like The Elder God is. They really believe in him and want to help him.
Yeah, which fits into how Raziel is meant to be both the Vampire and the Hylden champions, it's just a matter of his choice that leads to it, when he succeeds being both by purifying Kain's soul once he purifies the Spirit Reaver, and also granting Kain the power to defeat the Elder God and free the Wheel of Fate from his influence.
I never played the game but always watched cutscenes, it wasnt until recently that i realized Turel is blind. Hence why he stays facing one direction and then each time Raziel speaks he jerks his head to face him.
I think this turel is from post SR1 era where kain and raziel already entered the chronoplast leaving turel to rule the ruined lands of nosgoth with his brothers already defeated by raziel.
Hard to say, Turel's abduction is somewhat referenced in Blood Omen 1, in the book at Avernus. The Pillar Guardian of DImensions brought him to the pit supposedly. That's who summoned him. Not content with summoning demons from her era, she pulled him from a different time. It's funny to think about but BO1 Kain and Defiance Kain are running around Nosgoth at the same time. BO1 Kain rejects the sacrifice allowing Janos to be taken over by the Hylden at the same time Defiance Kain is doing other stuff.
Ive often wondered how did Turel end up in that timeline? If that is the timeline of young kain it would be quite a while before Kain would raise the Sarafan 🤔
If I'm not wrong, it was Azimuth who summoned him from the 'darkness', which is just a metaphor for the hard times he endured after he was left to rule over Nosgoth alone and began mutating. The whole time traveling thing still confuses me to this day, but yeah, Azimuth pulled Turel through time to use him as a vessel for the Hylden.
Yes and no. His role in Defiance is more poetic and surpirsing than it would have been if he died in SR1. But on the other hand it screams cheap fanservice, since you could basically put any monster in here and it makes no difference for the plot.
@@TheParappa but according from what i heard in sr1 too he wouldn't have had a good role for the plot!! He would just have been Kain's muntain refuge's guardian and Raziel wouldn't have gained any new ability by killing him!! Aslo Turel's appearence in Defiance is much cooler than SR1's Turel appearence!!
I still dont get one thing: do the pillars act as a prison to the hylden alone or do the pillars also provide balance to nosgoth and, if destroyed, corrupts the land or is that because the false god feeds on nosgoth?
From what I can figure, the pillars keep the Hylden sealed away and draw energy from Nosgoth itself to do so. The more corrupt the pillars become, the harder they have to work to do their job and the more energy the drain out of Nosgoth to keep the seal shut. So long as one pillar has a guardian the seal remains intact and the system will limp along drawing more and more life out of the planet. If there are no guardians, the pillars fail, the seal breaks and the Hylden return in their entirety.
The pillar are the barrier that keep the Hylden locked outaide of Nosgoth, but they draw their power from the land itself, namely the different Aspects that make up the Realm. what ended up happening is that the power involved is so great that the pillars literally became the pillars that held these aspects up and upon their corruption this also infected the land.
I dont know if thats the hylden lords actual name but hylden lord is indeed the real hash ak gik. Turel is only a vessel to keep these hylden souls in nosgoth for them to be able to carry out their plans to destroy the pillars and be freed by manipulating raziel in killing kain.
Maybe Hash, Ak and Gik are the names of three different Hylden individuals. Multiple demons tend to possess one person. They could be three Hyldens. The Hylden were in the demon dimension after all. The Hylden Lord could've been one of them.
Hash'ak'gik is first mentioned in Blood Omen as part of random World Building Lore unrelated to the events of that game. He is unrelated to the Hylden. He's a God worshipped by cults throughout Nosgoth's history. At some point the Hylden bring Turel into Nosgoth's past and pawn him off as Hash'ak'gik in order to use the cultists as their hands in Nosgoth to accomplish their goals. Here's the passage about him: "And Hash'ak'gik spoke to the world, and all who heard trembled. "Bring me your first born, and shed their blood on the altar of the world, so I might take nourishment from them. Do this without question, or suffer my wrath for eternity." And its will was done."
He was summoned by Azimuth the planer and Moebius during their experiments in summoning Extraplanar Creatures(during Blood omen 1) thiiking he was a Demon they placed him in that pit to be a host for the Hylden
Soul Reaver 1: Raziel’s describes the transformations:
‘We became less human and more...divine.’
Turel ends up a blind, shackled god worshipped in the depths of Avernus. These games were so well written.
amy hennig is brilliant
Funny thing is, Raziel was more dead on than he thought. Given the prophecies and his less than…beautiful appearance. Lmao.
Yeah, we can chalk the corruption Raziel's brothers endured thanks to Nupraptor's curse corrupting Kain as it did the others in the Circle, and since Kain used part of his soul to revive the Sarafan as his sons, it affected them too, even Raziel to a small extent, but not as much as his brothers due to his being cast into the abyss when Kain set his plans into motion to try to defy history and help him and Raziel reclaim their true destinies.
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@@BryonYoungbloodThese are the questions in the lore that annoys me. How did Kain do this severing of his soul to create his vampire lieutenants/sons? How and why Raziel became what he is now and why did the abyss make him the only one with free will?
i love that raziel actually pities turel here. once he realizes what's going on, that turel is being tortured and is insane, the "why do you stay in this terrible place?" seems like it's genuinely pity. compared to the willful hate for the other brothers, this is a sad outcome. nobody could've done this better than Michael Bell.
This is part of why Raziel is such a good protagonist, imo. Even with how much he gets thrown around and manipulated by everyone, he actually has room for sympathy and empathy, and in the face of danger holds onto that and what he believes is right. Kain is also an amazing character, but his sadism and aloof nature makes me feel more at home with Raziel, instead.
I think he too was reticent about killing Melchiah as he seems to regret becoming a fratricide after their battle.
He hated having to kill his other brothers. If he had the choice, he'd have spared Turel.
Course I’m sure Raziel would have been less forgiving if he found out that Turel had wiped out the Razielim, not even on the orders of Kain but by his own volition.
Didnt raziel kill turel in the first game?
''The others were grotesque but....''
Compared to Melchiah and Zephon, Turel looks pretty good lol.
Raziel throwing unnecessary shade at Dumah. Dumah turned out alright.
@@atheopagan Dumah was on that Spectral Gains grind.
But they at least were uncorrected
@@atheopagan To be fair he held a grudge towards him and Turel for personally tossing him into the Abyss without questioning Kain, I think Raziel earned the right to be just a LITTLE bitter lmao
What about Rahab?
He disarmed his reaver once he knew it was Turel. He forgave him for throwing him into the abyss. Raziel got over it at this point.
That and I think he pitied Turel. So great and mighty, and cant even crawl out of some dirty corpse pit.
Yeah, still killed him. So not all that forgiving.
@@WillJM81280 actually he hesitated. He fought back but he couldn't deal the final blow. That was the Hildin
I wonder if it was the same reason as he says to let him past in the pre-release versions of Soul Reaver 1 where he "had enough blood on his hands today." He might be referring to how he had enough of murdering his brothers at that point.
Such amazing voice acting . Forever missed
jesus man 3 months ago :o suprised that im not the only one here
Has someone died? Michael Bell and Gregg Berger are still alive. Only Rene has passed.
@@jblasutavario9549 Tony Jay (Elder God) and the guy who voiced Vorador
@Synthonym Yes, but the only voices in the vid aren't of Jay.... they are alive
After 20 years I finally realized that he's blind.
The way Turel approaches Raziel when he is saying Time to run, time to scream, time to die is magnificent. Even the toughest enemy would freeze in panic over that site.
"You were never a God. Greater even than Kain!"
Um... at least he can see dude.
Kind of strange that Raziel can see without eyes
1:32 When your friend reminds you of some embarrassing shit you did a long time ago
This must become a meme
Even to this day, the voice acting and facial animation for this game holds up extremely well. Turel's voice is really cool. It's too bad he doesn't have more lines in the game.
3:54 is why I keep coming back here. It's such a great line.
Layers of irony. Turel's tribute: "throat cut" is how a mother cat brings prey to it's inexperienced kittens.
"Why stay?" too, for he cant stand at all
That and linking back to the customs of animal sacrifices, where the throat of the goat or cow was cut on the altar.
There are not many written scenes in the third game...but this is one of them.
And like the greatest Introduction speech ever.
If you compare Turel to his dead brothers, like Melchiah or Zephon, he's the least in the grotesque department.
Rahab and Dumah were fine too
@@Brandelwyn Melchiah and Zephon were totally grotesque, Dumah had laid dead for centuries I'm guessing before Raziel pulled the spares from him and allowed his soul to reenter his body so he was unable to mutate further. I always wonder what would have happen to Raziel had Kain not thrown him into the abyss
@@TheRatzor he would transform into some kind of a dragon, that's almost official
@@TheRatzor good question. A giant winged version of Turel?
@@Brandelwyn i figured from the wings a more bat like creature, course one more agile than Turel to suit Raziel’s more nimble nature.
Something I never noticed on the first playthrough. With all the confusion over who is which champion, and with the Elder God screwing with them to get what he wants, I never noticed that the HYLDEN THEMSELVES clearly believe that Raziel is their champion. They say as much when they tell him to act in this very scene. They aren't trying to trick him into being their champion and killing Kain like The Elder God is. They really believe in him and want to help him.
Yeah, which fits into how Raziel is meant to be both the Vampire and the Hylden champions, it's just a matter of his choice that leads to it, when he succeeds being both by purifying Kain's soul once he purifies the Spirit Reaver, and also granting Kain the power to defeat the Elder God and free the Wheel of Fate from his influence.
When I heard Turel’s voice,
I recognized that it’s Gregg Berger who voiced Ripto and originally Hunter in the Spyro games.
I never played the game but always watched cutscenes, it wasnt until recently that i realized Turel is blind. Hence why he stays facing one direction and then each time Raziel speaks he jerks his head to face him.
I'M SORRY BUT TUREL LOOKS BADASS🤩
How does Turel know that Raziel killed the rest of his brethren? Unless he was only brought to the past after Raziel killed the rest in SR1.
I think this turel is from post SR1 era where kain and raziel already entered the chronoplast leaving turel to rule the ruined lands of nosgoth with his brothers already defeated by raziel.
Hard to say, Turel's abduction is somewhat referenced in Blood Omen 1, in the book at Avernus. The Pillar Guardian of DImensions brought him to the pit supposedly. That's who summoned him. Not content with summoning demons from her era, she pulled him from a different time. It's funny to think about but BO1 Kain and Defiance Kain are running around Nosgoth at the same time. BO1 Kain rejects the sacrifice allowing Janos to be taken over by the Hylden at the same time Defiance Kain is doing other stuff.
Ive often wondered how did Turel end up in that timeline? If that is the timeline of young kain it would be quite a while before Kain would raise the Sarafan 🤔
If I'm not wrong, it was Azimuth who summoned him from the 'darkness', which is just a metaphor for the hard times he endured after he was left to rule over Nosgoth alone and began mutating. The whole time traveling thing still confuses me to this day, but yeah, Azimuth pulled Turel through time to use him as a vessel for the Hylden.
I wish Azimuth the Planar was in Defiance.
Me too, since it'd explain her drawing Turel to the past with her powers.
I DID NOT FALL INTO THE ABYSS
Turel in defiance is much better than he should have been in sr1!!
Yes and no. His role in Defiance is more poetic and surpirsing than it would have been if he died in SR1. But on the other hand it screams cheap fanservice, since you could basically put any monster in here and it makes no difference for the plot.
@@TheParappa but according from what i heard in sr1 too he wouldn't have had a good role for the plot!! He would just have been Kain's muntain refuge's guardian and Raziel wouldn't have gained any new ability by killing him!!
Aslo Turel's appearence in Defiance is much cooler than SR1's Turel appearence!!
I still dont get one thing: do the pillars act as a prison to the hylden alone or do the pillars also provide balance to nosgoth and, if destroyed, corrupts the land or is that because the false god feeds on nosgoth?
I think the pillars only keep the hylden in the other dimension. Because before the war beetween Hylden and Vampires nosgoght was not corrupt.
@@EstebanFD1799 yeah but nosgoth only became a wasteland after millenia, so it took its time.
From what I can figure, the pillars keep the Hylden sealed away and draw energy from Nosgoth itself to do so. The more corrupt the pillars become, the harder they have to work to do their job and the more energy the drain out of Nosgoth to keep the seal shut. So long as one pillar has a guardian the seal remains intact and the system will limp along drawing more and more life out of the planet. If there are no guardians, the pillars fail, the seal breaks and the Hylden return in their entirety.
The pillar are the barrier that keep the Hylden locked outaide of Nosgoth, but they draw their power from the land itself, namely the different Aspects that make up the Realm.
what ended up happening is that the power involved is so great that the pillars literally became the pillars that held these aspects up and upon their corruption this also infected the land.
Hash'ak'gik . . . Is that the name of the Hylden Lord?
I dont know if thats the hylden lords actual name but hylden lord is indeed the real hash ak gik. Turel is only a vessel to keep these hylden souls in nosgoth for them to be able to carry out their plans to destroy the pillars and be freed by manipulating raziel in killing kain.
Maybe Hash, Ak and Gik are the names of three different Hylden individuals. Multiple demons tend to possess one person. They could be three Hyldens. The Hylden were in the demon dimension after all. The Hylden Lord could've been one of them.
Hash'ak'gik is first mentioned in Blood Omen as part of random World Building Lore unrelated to the events of that game. He is unrelated to the Hylden. He's a God worshipped by cults throughout Nosgoth's history. At some point the Hylden bring Turel into Nosgoth's past and pawn him off as Hash'ak'gik in order to use the cultists as their hands in Nosgoth to accomplish their goals. Here's the passage about him:
"And Hash'ak'gik spoke to the world, and all who heard trembled.
"Bring me your first born, and shed their blood on the altar of the world, so I might take nourishment from them.
Do this without question, or suffer my wrath for eternity."
And its will was done."
but..this is past? why turel is here?
He was summoned by Azimuth the planer and Moebius during their experiments in summoning Extraplanar Creatures(during Blood omen 1)
thiiking he was a Demon they placed him in that pit to be a host for the Hylden
well ı thing duma is still the strongest one.
This series ruined gaming. Not ending Kain's story with Soul Reaver is one of the biggest mistakes in gaming history.