A glossy walnut stock and deep blueing makes the most beautiful rifles, hands down. Dad has a 1956 308 win featherweight and i have a 270 wsm that's also a controlled rd feed, new haven made rifle. We love them.
I inherited that same exact rifle from my dad, and grandfather. All original 1954 vintage with the steel butt plate. The wood has all the oil from the hands which I just love! This thing holds 1 MOA all day long. Just a fabulous rifle.
I got a 1959 model 70 in 270 at the big Tulsa gun show this weekend. I took it out yesterday and was able to consistently hit a 2” steel plate at 175 yards with it. I was shooting 130 grain Remington core lokt. Made me feel like jack O’Connor. I think I’ll take the old girl hunting for rifle season this year. Thank you for the video Ron!
Just got me a pre64 in 270 win at a pawn shop and it’s almost like new except it’s got a new recoil pad on it😍 being a collector I have owned many over the 60+ years but this is the newest pre64 it’s in a 1962 year and most of my others have been 30-06. The 270 is a great cartridge especially with the new bullets. Looks like lots of fun guys! Can wait to get mine off on layaway from yesterday and I found some 150 grain Partitons to go with it at some super cheap prices! $20. A box 😱
@ they didn’t but it’s a 1962 when they switched over to cheaper wood and pressed checkering😢 but it’s still like new and I got it for a great price🙌 I plan on hunting with it and out put a super grade stock on it👏
In 1974 I discharged from services,found new job on road construction in outback Australia with old mate,he said buy rifle before leave to come out construction camp,went gun store asked to see 308 the store owner said at moment we out stock 308 as they very popular,I said need rifle for pigs,foxes and scrub bulls,handed model 70 in 270 price $420aud price was ok said yes if throw in couple box ammo,months latter I finally took out box and we decovered was pre 1964 model,50 years latter still shoots as good as did out box.
Excellent video. As a OLD man myself I enjoy watching "pups" give information and suggestions. I appreciate the work you gentlemen put in. Good luck on your hunt.
I've never been a 270 fan but I started thinking the same way you are, its a classic cartridge and I need one. Several days ago I found a Model 70 Featherweight with the "camo" laminate stock to match my model 70 in 30-06. Haven't shot it yet but will likely remedy that in the next few days.
here in Germany .270 isn't very popular. M70's aren't either. I got myself a post 64 which had obviously spent most of it's life in a gun locker. It's from 1971 and shoots under an inch with RWS ammunition. Actually it is much better workmanship than the crap they sell nowadays - and I'm not referring to US firearms. Use it for roe deer hunting. Go get a 270 - you won't regret it. Almost no recoil.
Every single Pre-64 Model 70 I've owned, I immediately removed the trigger parts and dropped in a Timney. Perfect trigger, non-permanent modification, original parts intact. For me, it's a no-brainer.
Or you can properly tune and adjust the factory trigger and have a trigger which is perfect in all respects. I have all of my Model 70's set to 2 1/2 pounds or less. In fact, my model 70 "F" class gun is set right at 14 oz. I have never seen a model 70 which couldn't be tuned to 2 1/2 pounds or less
@@WillHenrysWorkshop-gunsmith indeed. The problem, nowadays, is finding a smith locally who can do the work. Or setting about to learn to do it yourself. In either case, the Timney is the far easier option.
Mine all have excellent triggers. They're not difficult to set yourself. They're one of the best triggers going. Timmneys are great no doubt. Personally I wouldn't want one on my rifles. No problem with anyone else wanting whatever they want on theirs. @@WillHenrysWorkshop-gunsmith
I have a Winchester model 70 that was made in 1993. It shoots consistent 1 1/2 inch or less groups with most factory ammo at 100 yards. Occasionally I get a flyer that opens the group up to 2 inches or more. But I suspect I am to blame for that, not the rifle. Where I hunt 250 yards is a very long shot. Even though the rifle is not a classic pre64 model it has served me well.
I've got 5 pre 64 mod 70s in 243, 270win x2 and a 300-win-mag and 300 H&H and 06 and all of them shoot my hand loads less than 1"groups and some of them shoot less than a 1/2" groups at 100yds. I haven't had any work done on any of them. I haven't tried factory loads in but 1. And that was the H&H. It shot 2 different brands of 180gr bullets and it shot them both less and .5" . So far I haven't had one that shot bad. Over a 1.25"
I have a M70 also made in 1952 chambered in.30-06 (my serial number is shockingly close!). It's all original other than the claw extractor looks to have been replaced at some point and it's had a Lyman rear sight installed. The rifle bounced around multiple generations of a friend's family and then I picked it up 5-6 years ago. It's seen a lot of field so it's far from perfect. To keep things vintage I topped it with an ancient Leupold M7 4x I found on eBay. Shoots 1 MOA with 168 gr and 180 grain loads and 1.5 MOA with 150 grain loads. I'll never sell it nor even modify it, metal butt plate and all!
Old 30-06's were designed arround the original ball ammo of 170-175 grns. Some dislike the very popular 150 grns. My old 1917 US Enfield would't shoot Fed,Rem or Win 150 grns or 165 Grns of the 1980's, but it liked 180 grns. Handloaded it to 1"with 165 Grns Speer Grand Slams
My m70 winchester 270 win. 1950, and it's a real shooter, every brand ,herters ,federal remington, hornady,winchester 130gr.,136gr.,140,150 i have a redfield scope 2x7 widefield low profile. Love watching these videos with real wood stocks and blued steel. i guess I'm showing my age . I was brought up sighting in at 100yds and adjusting 1.5 to 2"high depending on caliber ,bullet weights.
Thanks Ron and Steve for showing how to figure out that shooting chart. Then proving it on the range! Steve that is one sweet shooting gun you have, Congrats!!
My 700 BDL LH Remington is 45 this year, been tuned in Ilion, NY at the factory early, then CLA’d by a gunsmith who got the locktime back to fast. It likes 130’s and 140’s, especially fond of Hornady ELD-X 145’s. It is still first out of the gun safe in the fall.
I agree with the guy that said age has nothing to do with it. That is 100% correct!!! Especially when you are talking the Winchester model 70. Properly tuned, and those things can shoot!!!!!!!! Ron is old enough, he should know that. My 1956 featherweight shoots better than anything he has shown in his videos. Just sayin.
I’m taking the ole 270 Winchester this winter for Mule deer in Colorado. Savage 110 High Country with a 22 inch barrel and direct thread Omega 300 suppressor (total length 29 inches). Shooting Barnes 130grain TTSX grouping 3/4 MOA @ 100 yards. Here was my Garmin data average speed and SD. Rifle Cartridge, 130.0 grain Barnes TTSX This was 2 groups of 3 and another two that were all cold bore delivery. Box stated 3140fps at muzzle. AVERAGE SPEED 3125.2 STD DEV 21.8 SPREAD 79.5 AVERAGE POWER FACTOR 406.3 PROJECTILE WEIGHT(GRAINS) 130.0 Overall I was very happy about the ammo. 👍🏻😃
I am 33. I have my dad's model 78 .270 with a straight 6x on it that is good at dusk. I can't get myself to spend the money on a new rifle yet even though I want to. The .270 just does enough for me. Already got a lever 30-30, 5.56 AR, 7.62 SKS, and lower calibers. I want a 7mm PRC but do I need it for my MN doe at 150m? No. I'm from plains though so I always want to he able to touch 400 easily enough. 270 does it for free since I got one.
You and a skilled gunsmith can keep a gun shooting straight for several 100's years. To bad there arn't any skilled Doctors to keep Us shooting for several 100's years
My classic m70 sport hunting rifles all shoot like that. Used to have different brands. Not now all are 70s. No mess- ups that way. Last time taking out 270 boss and 338 all hand loads [ 338 w thts necessary] were all one hole att 100. Of course could not do that again . Statistic people were quick and positive about that. I felt CHALLENGED.
I got my grandfathers 270 still getting used to it shooting he used to call it the Hair trigger because it’s pull weight on the trigger is almost nothing Found out it’s a Pederson 270 barrel and a 98 Mauser receiver they welded a new bolt handle on it back in the late 40’s early 50’s so I actually got a Sporterized WW1 98 Mauser chambered in 270
I acquired a Savage 110 blued rifle in 270 Win. which was very accurate. One of many cheap rifles I bought and traded, but this one was exceptional. In a moment of insanity, I sold it to a friend who kept pestering me about it because he had no rifle and the deer season's opening was approaching.
Love my 270 got doe Sunday shot was 195 yard shot with 130 GN nosler AB behind H4831sc it's not a model 70 it's a tikka boy I would love to have a model 70
age has nothing to do with it. An accurate rifle properly cared for, will always be accurate. A guy in our skeet leage has a Star barreled Springfield 03 A3 that is sub MOA all day.I forget when it was made but it in as-issued condition
27:11 Okay Ron , I'm going out to Perkins county in Western South Dakota. And what rifle am I hunting with? A Winchester Model 70 in 270 Winchester. Maybe we will cross paths. Ron you can use the clock principal with Steve he is old enough to understand it.lol😊
I took my first antelope there in 1971. First it poured, then it snowed. Sold the story of the hunt to American Hunter or Rifleman, one of my first! I'll be closer to Martin this time. Best of luck.
@@RonSpomerOutdoorsRon I crossed paths with you in Scotland, SD at the Frosty Shop across from the Coast to Coast store on Main St. It was in the time frame .😊
@@RonSpomerOutdoors You want to know what you were wearing ? A Light blue short sleeve shirt tan shorts white socks and tennis shoes. I asked one of the Stewart twins who you were . Oh that's Ron he is from the Tripp area. A memory like a steel Trap.
🤔 The Most Interesting Thing About All The "The Fudds" is That They Have Almost All The Animals in The Boone and Crockett Record Books! 😜 So, They Must Be Doing Something Right? 💁♂️
It is good you printed the chart. The uncorrected 6" PBR for a 10 mph crosswind is only 200 yards. Beyond that one would need to adjust the hold for the wind. On a still day or a tail or headwind, the PBR of 300 is good. I hope you drop at least some photos of BOTH of your deer in the upcoming hunt in a followup. 👍👍
Ron, doesn't know much about the pre 64 model 70. You do need to remove that particular rear sight. That low comb standard rifle, made in 1952, only came with one sight option. That was the long 22-G with 3C elevator. Almost 99% of the time, the scope objective bell would hit the rear sight. BTDT!! This would also apply to the Leupold scope being used on this rifle. What a lot of guys would do, is find a flip up rear sight. That way, if there is a scope failure, you still have a rear sight. To just take the rear sight out and leave the dovetail exposed, is haphazard at best. That's why some guys put in the dovetail plug. That is a nice shooter grade rifle though. Well done on the stock refinish and the recoil pad install. After they have been messed with like that, all originality goes out the window and that is the perfect opportunity to glass bed them. I'd expect better accuracy after that. I've had some std. wt. 270's that would drive tacks. The last one I sold was made in 1953, and it clover leafed 130gr ballistic tips, into .3". That was for 5 shots. Great rifles, that shoot far better than a lot of guys realize. Oh, the trigger gets fine tuned even before I head off to the range with these rifles. A little polishing and a lighter spring, and properly adjust it, and you can have a 2.5 pound pull, that breaks like a glass rod. Just how I do them.. Others mileage may vary. Also, for the TTSX load, they like to be ran off the lands by a lot. Seat them deeper in that case, and you'll get much better results: .050"-.125" off the lands is not unheard of with those bullets, and will likely produce much better accuracy/precision.
Hard to choose which is best all around cartridge 270 or 30-06. As a reloader. I choose the one you feel you shoot the best and most often. It comes down to bullet performance, bullet placement. And a good trigger. Woodsman skills these day are being lost the Era of snipping and long ranger magnums is trying to take over. Being 60 years old I say Old School still rules... all others drule.😅
Right on, I have M70s in 30-06 and 270. I cherish both, but if forced to choose 1 I'd take the '06 simply because of its more reliable ammunition supply and the wider selection of reloading components. Agree completely with your sentiments about current hunting practices!,❤ Well spoken.
I have many modern AR style sporting rifles and standard bolt guns in synthetic stocks but my favorites are my wood stocked older guns. My old Remington 700 in 270 is a tack driver and loves pretty much any factory ammo, I don't do reloading.
Fudd is a term coined by anti 2A leftist. It’s meant to sew division between established shooters and new gun owners. By separating the two groups, new shooters don’t have access to mentors. The thought being they will lose interest and not only stop hunting/shooting, but won’t pass down the tradition. New shooters, being immature and short sighted, have of course embraced this term
My jc Higgins model 50 in 270 is all the closer I’ll ever get to having a pre64 model 70 but I will say that rifle is a tack driver consistently sub 1/2 moa! Hard to complain but they certainly are not as pretty as a model 70!
Those FN Mausers bought from whatever retailer are high quality arms! I have a couple of M-70s, an FN and a Husqvarna mauser. In my mind, they are functionally equivalent, although the Winchesters certainly have more collector appeal I prize the sporting mausers equally. ❤
Hey, Ron. Would you do something on the 308 Norma Mag? I inherited a Springield 1908 that was sporterized and rechambered to 308 Norma Mag and would like your take on this cartridge
I would be curious from an avid hunter what the best factory ammo is for hunting a white tail at 25-150 yards in 1 shot. I know almost anything out of a .270 will kill a deer at 150m but what is the most effective ammo type? Soft point, jacketed hollow low grain, etc, if there is a clear winner let me know below. I understand vast majority of ammunition can cause fatal wounds at almost any distance with placement I am talking about ballistic performance
No "most effective." Many, many work well, a few not so well. I'd err on the side of bonded, partition, or hollow nose copper (with or without poly tip.) Cup-and-cores can overly expand or break up at close ranges.
The reason cup and core bullets over expand at closer ranges is velocity, too much. Most cup and core bullets perform best at a max of about 2800. Driving a 130 gr bullet in the 270 to 3100 fps + will blow up at 50 yards. At 100 plus it may expand more than you want, 200 plus everything is fine. Dropping the velocity to 2800 fps will be fine at 50 yards. If you have two loads, one at max velocity for longer shots and one at lower for shorter range. Sight in with the faster so longer shots are possible. At shorter ranges the difference in bullet impact from the faster won't be enough to make a distance. Another option is to load a heavier bullet that will keep velocity lower, oke the 150 gr for close shots.
Hey Ron, got a question for ya! I’ve been doing a little research on aerolite bullets that PowerBelt supplies for muzzleloaders.. apparently they are more accurate than copper/lead bullets. That is great if so but my question to you is, in your opinion do they hit as hard or possibly harder? Are they actually more accurate and better than standard lead bullets? If anyone knows about this stuff I’d greatly appreciate any feedback! Thanks!
Hi Ron, a couple of questions... First, Did Steve buy that rifle used online like he did his 300 H&H? And second, do you know of any manufacturers that load Hammer bullets in their factory ammunition for the .270 Winchester? I asked that one on another episode so sorry for the repeat. Thank you Ron.
@SteveRoyer-t6e Thank you. Love all your rifles you've shown us. I re-watch the show where you tell your check list of what to look for and ask when buying a used rifle. I hope to find a great one someday.
@@BrokenBarBox No, I don't. Or it exists as an excuse for poor marksmanship / poor reloading technique. Like the « I shoot a couple of monolithic bullets before, that must be the reason why [insert shitty result here] ». Get a good cold-hammer forged barrel, excellent factory ammunition, clean & wipe your barrel and chamber after every use and you are good to go. It is somewhat amusing to see Ron always chasing his tail on rifle accuracy. Take 2 shots with home-made cartridges, never hold the rifle the same way, weird result, scratch my head, must be the barrel, going to town cleaning the rifle, take multiple 3 shots group until one is under 1 MOA. This is the Shaddock's technique : You have 1 chance in a million to land a rocket on the moon then I'll try 1 million times!
@ I guess the only personal observation I can make is after I clean my rifles, the first few rounds never seem to group as well. But then after a few shots, the accuracy seems to increase. I’ve noticed this in my .22 rifles as well. Could it just be me getting warmed up? I don’t know. 🤷♂️
Just so you know I have been reloading, hunting and collecting 60+ years and over hundreds of rifles many custom builds and high end rifles and in almost all of my rifles after cleaning will throw the first couple shots in carbon barrels more but even in stainless barrels😳
Ron is trying to win my approval back with my love of old style wood rifles. Ok Ron, I'll watch.
Atta boy hrdrock!
@@RonSpomerOutdoors my wife got a kick out of that.
A glossy walnut stock and deep blueing makes the most beautiful rifles, hands down. Dad has a 1956 308 win featherweight and i have a 270 wsm that's also a controlled rd feed, new haven made rifle. We love them.
@@RonSpomerOutdoorsjust bought a brand new 700 bdl. Ready to see how she shoots
Winchester model 70 rifles are fantastic hunting tools 👍👍
I inherited that same exact rifle from my dad, and grandfather. All original 1954 vintage with the steel butt plate. The wood has all the oil from the hands which I just love! This thing holds 1 MOA all day long. Just a fabulous rifle.
Old manufacturer practice at its best. Both in looks and accuracy!
I got a 1959 model 70 in 270 at the big Tulsa gun show this weekend. I took it out yesterday and was able to consistently hit a 2” steel plate at 175 yards with it. I was shooting 130 grain Remington core lokt. Made me feel like jack O’Connor. I think I’ll take the old girl hunting for rifle season this year. Thank you for the video Ron!
Just got me a pre64 in 270 win at a pawn shop and it’s almost like new except it’s got a new recoil pad on it😍 being a collector I have owned many over the 60+ years but this is the newest pre64 it’s in a 1962 year and most of my others have been 30-06. The 270 is a great cartridge especially with the new bullets. Looks like lots of fun guys! Can wait to get mine off on layaway from yesterday and I found some 150 grain Partitons to go with it at some super cheap prices! $20. A box 😱
Hopefully they did not cut the stock down.
@ they didn’t but it’s a 1962 when they switched over to cheaper wood and pressed checkering😢 but it’s still like new and I got it for a great price🙌 I plan on hunting with it and out put a super grade stock on it👏
In 1974 I discharged from services,found new job on road construction in outback Australia with old mate,he said buy rifle before leave to come out construction camp,went gun store asked to see 308 the store owner said at moment we out stock 308 as they very popular,I said need rifle for pigs,foxes and scrub bulls,handed model 70 in 270 price $420aud price was ok said yes if throw in couple box ammo,months latter I finally took out box and we decovered was pre 1964 model,50 years latter still shoots as good as did out box.
Thank You Gentleman, Two classic shooters with a classic rifle. Wood and Blued steel has a feel all its own.
Excellent video. As a OLD man myself I enjoy watching "pups" give information and suggestions. I appreciate the work you gentlemen put in. Good luck on your hunt.
I don’t have a 270 in my collection. I need to remedy that situation.
I've never been a 270 fan but I started thinking the same way you are, its a classic cartridge and I need one. Several days ago I found a Model 70 Featherweight with the "camo" laminate stock to match my model 70 in 30-06.
Haven't shot it yet but will likely remedy that in the next few days.
your missing out
here in Germany .270 isn't very popular. M70's aren't either. I got myself a post 64 which had obviously spent most of it's life in a gun locker. It's from 1971 and shoots under an inch with RWS ammunition. Actually it is much better workmanship than the crap they sell nowadays - and I'm not referring to US firearms. Use it for roe deer hunting. Go get a 270 - you won't regret it. Almost no recoil.
Every single Pre-64 Model 70 I've owned, I immediately removed the trigger parts and dropped in a Timney. Perfect trigger, non-permanent modification, original parts intact. For me, it's a no-brainer.
Or you can properly tune and adjust the factory trigger and have a trigger which is perfect in all respects. I have all of my Model 70's set to 2 1/2 pounds or less. In fact, my model 70 "F" class gun is set right at 14 oz. I have never seen a model 70 which couldn't be tuned to 2 1/2 pounds or less
@@WillHenrysWorkshop-gunsmith indeed. The problem, nowadays, is finding a smith locally who can do the work. Or setting about to learn to do it yourself. In either case, the Timney is the far easier option.
Mine all have excellent triggers. They're not difficult to set yourself. They're one of the best triggers going. Timmneys are great no doubt. Personally I wouldn't want one on my rifles. No problem with anyone else wanting whatever they want on theirs. @@WillHenrysWorkshop-gunsmith
I have a Winchester model 70 that was made in 1993. It shoots consistent 1 1/2 inch or less groups with most factory ammo at 100 yards. Occasionally I get a flyer that opens the group up to 2 inches or more. But I suspect I am to blame for that, not the rifle. Where I hunt 250 yards is a very long shot. Even though the rifle is not a classic pre64 model it has served me well.
I've got 5 pre 64 mod 70s in 243, 270win x2 and a 300-win-mag and 300 H&H and 06 and all of them shoot my hand loads less than 1"groups and some of them shoot less than a 1/2" groups at 100yds. I haven't had any work done on any of them. I haven't tried factory loads in but 1. And that was the H&H. It shot 2 different brands of 180gr bullets and it shot them both less and .5" . So far I haven't had one that shot bad. Over a 1.25"
Beautiful classic American rifle
I have a M70 also made in 1952 chambered in.30-06 (my serial number is shockingly close!). It's all original other than the claw extractor looks to have been replaced at some point and it's had a Lyman rear sight installed. The rifle bounced around multiple generations of a friend's family and then I picked it up 5-6 years ago. It's seen a lot of field so it's far from perfect. To keep things vintage I topped it with an ancient Leupold M7 4x I found on eBay. Shoots 1 MOA with 168 gr and 180 grain loads and 1.5 MOA with 150 grain loads. I'll never sell it nor even modify it, metal butt plate and all!
Old 30-06's were designed arround the original ball ammo of 170-175 grns. Some dislike the very popular 150 grns. My old 1917 US Enfield would't shoot Fed,Rem or Win 150 grns or 165 Grns of the 1980's, but it liked 180 grns. Handloaded it to 1"with 165 Grns Speer Grand Slams
My m70 winchester 270 win. 1950, and it's a real shooter, every brand ,herters ,federal remington, hornady,winchester 130gr.,136gr.,140,150 i have a redfield scope 2x7 widefield low profile. Love watching these videos with real wood stocks and blued steel. i guess I'm showing my age . I was brought up sighting in at 100yds and adjusting 1.5 to 2"high depending on caliber ,bullet weights.
Almost seems like the bolt internals / trigger group are possibly gummed up or need to be cleaned. ( for trigger issue)
Thanks Ron and Steve for showing how to figure out that shooting chart. Then proving it on the range! Steve that is one sweet shooting gun you have, Congrats!!
My 700 BDL LH Remington is 45 this year, been tuned in Ilion, NY at the factory early, then CLA’d by a gunsmith who got the locktime back to fast. It likes 130’s and 140’s, especially fond of Hornady ELD-X 145’s. It is still first out of the gun safe in the fall.
I agree with the guy that said age has nothing to do with it. That is 100% correct!!! Especially when you are talking the Winchester model 70. Properly tuned, and those things can shoot!!!!!!!! Ron is old enough, he should know that. My 1956 featherweight shoots better than anything he has shown in his videos. Just sayin.
I have a 270 Model.70 Lightweight I got in the early 90s. Very accurate little rifle.
Sako Finnbear L61R from early 1960 in 270win is a favorite 😊
@@Finnbearl61rlove my Sako’s 😍 newer and older one’s
Very nice rifle. I’m a 270 man thanks to jack O’Connor.
I thought I was the only person who remembers Jack O'Connor.
I have 8 of them, they are rifles built to last GENERATIONS.
I’m taking the ole 270 Winchester this winter for Mule deer in Colorado. Savage 110 High Country with a 22 inch barrel and direct thread Omega 300 suppressor (total length 29 inches). Shooting Barnes 130grain TTSX grouping 3/4 MOA @ 100 yards. Here was my Garmin data average speed and SD.
Rifle Cartridge, 130.0 grain Barnes TTSX
This was 2 groups of 3 and another two that were all cold bore delivery. Box stated 3140fps at muzzle.
AVERAGE SPEED 3125.2
STD DEV 21.8
SPREAD 79.5
AVERAGE POWER FACTOR 406.3
PROJECTILE WEIGHT(GRAINS) 130.0
Overall I was very happy about the ammo. 👍🏻😃
That might kill the biggest muley buck around. But, I’m a little skeptical. Just kidding hoss. Best of luck on your hunt. Let us know how you did.
I am 33. I have my dad's model 78 .270 with a straight 6x on it that is good at dusk. I can't get myself to spend the money on a new rifle yet even though I want to. The .270 just does enough for me. Already got a lever 30-30, 5.56 AR, 7.62 SKS, and lower calibers. I want a 7mm PRC but do I need it for my MN doe at 150m? No. I'm from plains though so I always want to he able to touch 400 easily enough. 270 does it for free since I got one.
You and a skilled gunsmith can keep a gun shooting straight for several 100's years. To bad there arn't any skilled Doctors to keep Us shooting for several 100's years
Wow, 3080 is smoking for a 140 gr bullet in a .270 Winchester! Good job!
No kidding! I fully expected it to be a 130 grainer!
My classic m70 sport hunting rifles all shoot like that. Used to have different brands. Not now all are 70s. No mess- ups that way. Last time taking out 270 boss and 338 all hand loads [ 338 w thts necessary] were all one hole att 100. Of course could not do that again . Statistic people were quick and positive about that. I felt CHALLENGED.
I got my grandfathers 270 still getting used to it shooting he used to call it the Hair trigger because it’s pull weight on the trigger is almost nothing
Found out it’s a Pederson 270 barrel and a 98 Mauser receiver they welded a new bolt handle on it back in the late 40’s early 50’s so I actually got a Sporterized WW1 98 Mauser chambered in 270
Hey I was a young pup in S. D. in the 70's, Graduated H S in '71
So did I.
Excellent video showing close up of the rifle and showing how smooth the action is, this needs to be in all your videos
I acquired a Savage 110 blued rifle in 270 Win. which was very accurate. One of many cheap rifles I bought and traded, but this one was exceptional. In a moment of insanity, I sold it to a friend who kept pestering me about it because he had no rifle and the deer season's opening was approaching.
There aren't many, if any, animals in the lower 48 that cannot reliably be killed by a 270 with the right bullet.
Absolutely beautiful rifle.
Love the winchester hat
Love my 270 got doe Sunday shot was 195 yard shot with 130 GN nosler AB behind H4831sc it's not a model 70 it's a tikka boy I would love to have a model 70
I would hold the front part of that stock to keep the barrel from jumping. The groups would be a bit tighter
When the creedmoor yawns set in and the man buns go out of style. 😄
age has nothing to do with it. An accurate rifle properly cared for, will always be accurate. A guy in our skeet leage has a Star barreled Springfield 03 A3 that is sub MOA all day.I forget when it was made but it in as-issued condition
You will discover how well Buffalo Bore groups and Underwood , they group hard cast bullets very well. !
27:11 Okay Ron , I'm going out to Perkins county in Western South Dakota. And what rifle am I hunting with? A Winchester Model 70 in 270 Winchester. Maybe we will cross paths. Ron you can use the clock principal with Steve he is old enough to understand it.lol😊
I took my first antelope there in 1971. First it poured, then it snowed. Sold the story of the hunt to American Hunter or Rifleman, one of my first! I'll be closer to Martin this time. Best of luck.
@@RonSpomerOutdoorsRon I crossed paths with you in Scotland, SD at the Frosty Shop across from the Coast to Coast store on Main St. It was in the time frame .😊
@@clintonlayne9253 Wow! What a memory you have!
@@RonSpomerOutdoors You want to know what you were wearing ? A Light blue short sleeve shirt tan shorts white socks and tennis shoes. I asked one of the Stewart twins who you were . Oh that's Ron he is from the Tripp area. A memory like a steel Trap.
Most all of my guns are Fudd guns. Don't need to reinvent the wheel with a new cartridge.
Never underestimate the fudd factor😁
🤔 The Most Interesting Thing About All The "The Fudds" is That They Have Almost All The Animals in The Boone and Crockett Record Books! 😜 So, They Must Be Doing Something Right? 💁♂️
It is good you printed the chart. The uncorrected 6" PBR for a 10 mph crosswind is only 200 yards. Beyond that one would need to adjust the hold for the wind. On a still day or a tail or headwind, the PBR of 300 is good.
I hope you drop at least some photos of BOTH of your deer in the upcoming hunt in a followup.
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We'll try to make a video of the hunt.
Ron, doesn't know much about the pre 64 model 70. You do need to remove that particular rear sight. That low comb standard rifle, made in 1952, only came with one sight option. That was the long 22-G with 3C elevator. Almost 99% of the time, the scope objective bell would hit the rear sight. BTDT!! This would also apply to the Leupold scope being used on this rifle. What a lot of guys would do, is find a flip up rear sight. That way, if there is a scope failure, you still have a rear sight. To just take the rear sight out and leave the dovetail exposed, is haphazard at best. That's why some guys put in the dovetail plug. That is a nice shooter grade rifle though. Well done on the stock refinish and the recoil pad install. After they have been messed with like that, all originality goes out the window and that is the perfect opportunity to glass bed them. I'd expect better accuracy after that. I've had some std. wt. 270's that would drive tacks. The last one I sold was made in 1953, and it clover leafed 130gr ballistic tips, into .3". That was for 5 shots. Great rifles, that shoot far better than a lot of guys realize. Oh, the trigger gets fine tuned even before I head off to the range with these rifles. A little polishing and a lighter spring, and properly adjust it, and you can have a 2.5 pound pull, that breaks like a glass rod. Just how I do them.. Others mileage may vary. Also, for the TTSX load, they like to be ran off the lands by a lot. Seat them deeper in that case, and you'll get much better results: .050"-.125" off the lands is not unheard of with those bullets, and will likely produce much better accuracy/precision.
270 all day long and all night too
Got a 1965 model 70 in 7mag .shooting under an inch at 100 yards..
Well Done.
On the trigger wondering if it needs a touch up honeing,or adjustment.Maybe a spring check.
Hard to choose which is best all around cartridge 270 or 30-06. As a reloader. I choose the one you feel you shoot the best and most often. It comes down to bullet performance, bullet placement. And a good trigger. Woodsman skills these day are being lost the Era of snipping and long ranger magnums is trying to take over. Being 60 years old I say Old School still rules... all others drule.😅
Right on, I have M70s in 30-06 and 270. I cherish both, but if forced to choose 1 I'd take the '06 simply because of its more reliable ammunition supply and the wider selection of reloading components. Agree completely with your sentiments about current hunting practices!,❤ Well spoken.
I have many modern AR style sporting rifles and standard bolt guns in synthetic stocks but my favorites are my wood stocked older guns. My old Remington 700 in 270 is a tack driver and loves pretty much any factory ammo, I don't do reloading.
It will tighten up with handloads. Trust me. 1/2 to 3/4" at 100 yds with 150gr Hdy (#2740) over 55grs of N-165. Rem 700. .270
When a Young Firearms Person calls me a FUDD. I tell them, I own my House. I don't live in my Parent's Basement!
Fudd is a term coined by anti 2A leftist. It’s meant to sew division between established shooters and new gun owners. By separating the two groups, new shooters don’t have access to mentors. The thought being they will lose interest and not only stop hunting/shooting, but won’t pass down the tradition. New shooters, being immature and short sighted, have of course embraced this term
Did you notice the bolt handle moving when the shot fired? That's a sear question!
My jc Higgins model 50 in 270 is all the closer I’ll ever get to having a pre64 model 70 but I will say that rifle is a tack driver consistently sub 1/2 moa! Hard to complain but they certainly are not as pretty as a model 70!
Those FN Mausers bought from whatever retailer are high quality arms! I have a couple of M-70s, an FN and a Husqvarna mauser. In my mind, they are functionally equivalent, although the Winchesters certainly have more collector appeal I prize the sporting mausers equally. ❤
Thank you gentlemen.
Hey Ron, have you ever thought about doing a video collab with Steve Rinella or any other of the meateater guys
I second that.
Put a new trigger spring in it and see if it helps
Hey, Ron. Would you do something on the 308 Norma Mag? I inherited a Springield 1908 that was sporterized and rechambered to 308 Norma Mag and would like your take on this cartridge
I would love to know what brand/model he uses for the front gun rest….
It looks like the scope is loose and sliding backwards off of the bases. Might become a problem.
They look solid to me. At which point are you seeing the scope move?
@BrokenBarBox the position shifts from the beginning of the video to the end.
Whos older, Ron or the rifle?
Ron said the rifle is older then him but not older then Steve. I think he said 1951 is the year of the pre64.
The shooter is older than both 😎
I would be curious from an avid hunter what the best factory ammo is for hunting a white tail at 25-150 yards in 1 shot. I know almost anything out of a .270 will kill a deer at 150m but what is the most effective ammo type? Soft point, jacketed hollow low grain, etc, if there is a clear winner let me know below. I understand vast majority of ammunition can cause fatal wounds at almost any distance with placement I am talking about ballistic performance
I would say, look into Nosler factory loads.
@@brianhoxworth3881 thanks pal
No "most effective." Many, many work well, a few not so well. I'd err on the side of bonded, partition, or hollow nose copper (with or without poly tip.) Cup-and-cores can overly expand or break up at close ranges.
The reason cup and core bullets over expand at closer ranges is velocity, too much. Most cup and core bullets perform best at a max of about 2800.
Driving a 130 gr bullet in the 270 to 3100 fps + will blow up at 50 yards. At 100 plus it may expand more than you want, 200 plus everything is fine. Dropping the velocity to 2800 fps will be fine at 50 yards.
If you have two loads, one at max velocity for longer shots and one at lower for shorter range. Sight in with the faster so longer shots are possible. At shorter ranges the difference in bullet impact from the faster won't be enough to make a distance.
Another option is to load a heavier bullet that will keep velocity lower, oke the 150 gr for close shots.
Hey Ron, got a question for ya! I’ve been doing a little research on aerolite bullets that PowerBelt supplies for muzzleloaders.. apparently they are more accurate than copper/lead bullets. That is great if so but my question to you is, in your opinion do they hit as hard or possibly harder? Are they actually more accurate and better than standard lead bullets? If anyone knows about this stuff I’d greatly appreciate any feedback! Thanks!
I’m curious about the garmin
Hi Ron, a couple of questions...
First, Did Steve buy that rifle used online like he did his 300 H&H?
And second, do you know of any manufacturers that load Hammer bullets in their factory ammunition for the .270 Winchester?
I asked that one on another episode so sorry for the repeat. Thank you Ron.
The rifle was purchased direct, not on line. The sear was cupped and, after honing it, it could not be better.
@SteveRoyer-t6e Thank you. Love all your rifles you've shown us. I re-watch the show where you tell your check list of what to look for and ask when buying a used rifle. I hope to find a great one someday.
@@jmc041071I have several totally awesome pre 64 model 70’s, all of which are super accurate and stellar performers.
Most guns people are 70 years old brand new in someone’s corner of their safe
He could get better and more consistent speed with Reloader 23 or Reloader 26.
Hoochie coochie choo choo train 🎉
It is the nasty people on the news sowing discontent.
Fouling shoot : That is some FUD.
You don’t think a fouling shot is a thing?
@@BrokenBarBox No, I don't. Or it exists as an excuse for poor marksmanship / poor reloading technique. Like the « I shoot a couple of monolithic bullets before, that must be the reason why [insert shitty result here] ».
Get a good cold-hammer forged barrel, excellent factory ammunition, clean & wipe your barrel and chamber after every use and you are good to go.
It is somewhat amusing to see Ron always chasing his tail on rifle accuracy. Take 2 shots with home-made cartridges, never hold the rifle the same way, weird result, scratch my head, must be the barrel, going to town cleaning the rifle, take multiple 3 shots group until one is under 1 MOA.
This is the Shaddock's technique : You have 1 chance in a million to land a rocket on the moon then I'll try 1 million times!
@ I guess the only personal observation I can make is after I clean my rifles, the first few rounds never seem to group as well. But then after a few shots, the accuracy seems to increase. I’ve noticed this in my .22 rifles as well. Could it just be me getting warmed up? I don’t know. 🤷♂️
Just so you know I have been reloading, hunting and collecting 60+ years and over hundreds of rifles many custom builds and high end rifles and in almost all of my rifles after cleaning will throw the first couple shots in carbon barrels more but even in stainless barrels😳
Probably a weak firing pin spring.