I'm a right leaning centrist but I'll listen to what Tim says every time because he IS actually an objective voice and I consider him to be #RealNews because of that. I don't agree with him 100% of the time but by far enough that Tim Pool is relevant to the national discussion, more so than ANYONE on CNN or even Fox. So yeah, Twitter brings a lawyer armed with technicalities and double talk. Rogan brings Tim Pool who is armed with the truth. I'll take an uncomfortable truth over a sweet lie any and every day that ends with a Y.
I would never write a disclaimer statement that smirks at the other party, provoking their ire, and which contains falsehood after falsehood. Nobody would adhere to it, as it would be bad in law. This is a not a lawyer. This is a young lady having the time of her life.
"Just to be clear and I'm not an expert on the platforms but foreign governments use multiple multiple different ways to interfere in elections, not limited to our platform, nor limited to social media"
Twitter is a global platform alot of countries including countries like Canada, Australia and many more dont have free speech. Infact they have anti discrimination laws. So Twitter has to consider this when making their platform otherwise they lose millions of users.
Aren't conservative assholes constantly talking about less government intrusion. You've got your 8chan don't you. Now you want government to decide what private company's say. Next will be free press. Instead encourage government to go after giant corporations for the same shit in the early 1900s. Monopoly bullshit stop distracting from the true crimes.
Nope rhe only reaaon sites like Twitter and Facebook don't get sued for defamation say for instance if someone calls a straight guy a fag or vice versa thats called slander he would then be able to sue the user and or the company allowing it to be seen by the masses. When the company got its liscense to become a platform the only way they skirted the relations was by saying g Hey we arent going to censor anything other than death threats and crime the rest is protected by the constitution. Instead in 2015 and even before that they started slowly banning people who don't adhere to there political view which in turn takes them from bieng a bi-partisan news site to part sponsored community in which case everything would be used as evidence in a courtroom in many lawsuits twitter woukd be bankrupt in 1 day because they couldn't possibly fact check everything on there platform. If you want to be about free speach fine but if you want to have left leaning ideology that specifically targets people who don't adhere to pc culture and start banning just those people for disagreeing then you must face the regulators and prepare for millions of lawsuits...
Free speech is not free of consequences. If there are rules, they are there to be enforced, else there is no need for rules and I guess it's okay to doxx Nathaniel Parker Conrad and offer money to kill him or members of his family. If you agree with that, then cool you have total free speech , or at least you believe so until the police comes to take you for plotting a murder.
The fact twitter has to rely on a lawyer mouthpiece to vett and regurgitate questions back at the questioner, then turn around and vaguely dismiss or pass off questions shows how corrupt and horrific their company is. The doublespeak dismissing of banned accounts is vile.
flake452 this is what actual journalism is. This hasn't been seen in America in decades. This is a person speaking for the citizenry to the wealthy owners and operators of the United States of America Corporation.
SO, THE GUY IS ACTUALLY ARGUIN WITH THE TWITTER BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE HATE SPEECH. UNBELIVEBLE.!!!!! HE KNOWS THAT THE REPUBLICANS CAN NOT WIN WITHOUT NAZI SPEACH. OK THIS IS CRAZY. SPEECH. HE ARGUES LIKE A MAN IN DESPAIR.
Sant Ramos Everything this hag said was a lie. Twitter is 100% biased and is banning anything and anyone conservative related. These people should be charged with civil rights violations and Twitter completely shutdown. TH-cam is trash as well
2:17 Yesss.... This MUDAFUKA and Twitter and Facebook COLLUDED together with Indian Opposition (Congress Party) which is ULTRA RADICAL COMMUNIST LEFTIST just like Democrats of US and *CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA* . These BIG TECHS are Anti Right Wingers anti Conservatives *ALL AROUND THE WORLD* . LATEST: Indian Red Fort security was breached on Jan 26 and Religious Flag was hoisted removing Indian National Flag and the riot happened because TWITTER AND FACEBOOK helped them spread *"MISINFORMATION"*. These BIG TECHS must be broken ASAP before they break our countries and societies apart.
@@notchedbandit yes.... Because only institution that has right to take action is POLICE and only institution to take decision on any "criminality" is judiciary.
I got a 24 hour suspension on twitter after a white blue checkmark journalist made one of those cringy "white people are bad" tweets so I responded _That's racist!_ WT actual F
I learned to just report it and they take action pretty fast. Within a day. It’s pretty easy to get other people suspended. Never harass anyone, or directly call them names or disagree with an idea directly. You could have gotten away by saying, “That idea sounds racist” or “That’s one opinion, 1”. That’s my go to. It says it without saying it. ✌🏼
There are plenty of cases of people lying about why they got banned, like when sargon of akkad said he got banned unfairly even though he was twitting gay porn at people.
@@stevenp25100 ITS PUBLIC PLATFOR(FORUM) Only thing PRIVAT is raking money from ad's THATS IT! If its privat then EVERYTHING BAD written there should be on their hands andn they would go BROKE!
@@stevenp25100 If your privat company is making PRODUCT than you're right... if your privat company is FORUM where people come to speak then you cant rule with your ideology; It PUBLIC... YOU CAN ONLY GET MONEY FROM IT BUT CONTENT ON IT IS NOT YOURS! THIS IS NOT COCA COLA OR MC DONALDS NOT TO USE IT; YOU HAVE TO USE TWITTER AND FACEBOOK IN THIS DAY AND AGE! This stuff is not joke kids...
SO, THE GUY IS ACTUALLY ARGUIN WITH THE TWITTER BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE HATE SPEECH. UNBELIVEBLE.!!!!! HE KNOWS THAT THE REPUBLICANS CAN NOT WIN WITHOUT NAZI SPEACH. OK THIS IS CRAZY. SPEECH. HE ARGUES LIKE A MAN IN DESPAIR.
I’m glad she’s out of there. She had a golden opportunity to really make an impact on civil discourse as a whole but her lack of understanding of the imperative role Free Speech garners and her ideological possession caused the Twitter buyout. Crying in front of her employees is indicative of how she ran her section of the company. Through emotion. Not logic. She has no one to blame but herself for what happened. Hopefully she holds herself accountable and if not, keep the tears rolling.
I researched them when twitter banned trump. She was mad a hero and a goddess. she spearheaded the campaign to get Trump out and it wasn't for breaking twitter rules. they had a vendetta and she led the charge. she is a vapid poisonous treacherous snake.. SO glad shes gone.. what an evil and entitled arrogant person
Poole is thoroughly confused. His question makes absolutely zero sense. He keeps repeating it for nearly 15 minutes while the Twitter execs politely try to find a modicum of logic in it.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 Wrong. The twitter execs chose purposely to not understand him and play dumb, thus making him HAVE to explain it for 15 minutes.
@@abk1424 You don't have any logic, so you decide if the question makes sense on the basis of whom you like. That's of course the type of imbecile one expects to encounter on social media. However, feel free to prove me wrong by explaining the logic of Poole's question. And btw, the woman was struggling to be polite as he kept repeating the absurd question.
I agree with Tim on what he has talked about on a lot of the other clips. But him saying Twitter's rules should just be in line with American laws I can not agree with. Like what Vijaya said, the rest of the world makes up 75% of twitters user base. American laws should not be applied to that 75%. Twitter should serve the world, not the American constitution. So I agree with Vijaya where Twitter has aligned their rules to the global standards of hate speech, harassment and discrimination.
I totally agree! This is such a great example of someone making the most of this moment and i think its obvious that we'll forever look back at the power of Tim's words. Hats off to him for this.
Esosa Osagie he’s saying if your running your business here in the United States, we have freedom of speech and should be aloud to say whatever we want wether you agree with me or not, because you have that exact freedom as well.
@John Moore Not the case here in Australia. If what you say is considered 'hate speech', you can be prosecuted for it. And I actually think that's fair enough, depending on what was said, and the motivation behind it.
Michael C I agree that arguing is pointless, and name calling is ridiculous, but who gets to de side what I’m aloud to talk about and the words that I can say?
This aged well Twitter: “We are a international organization supporting all countries” Twitter: Censors Donald Trump Twitter: Does not censor dictators
Tim “ If you incite death, you should go to jail for it”. Then by Tim’s logic, Donald Trump should be in jail. This is why frustrated virgins like Tim should not be taken seriously.
@@zoloosso3152 no he wanted his supports to march on the capitol and protest the election result but things got out of hand and trump told them to calm down and go home. Yeah it was horrible but he didn't mean for people to get shot and capitol trashed.
@@buckedpuppy7263 I see,its fair then, why the guy above would write such a thing. Its heavy accusation to throw things like this unless there is a proof 🤔
@@9pinertt87 Nancy Pelosi's twitter is still alive and well where she states, "The election was stolen, we must fight to take our democracy back". Just because your memory is that of a twit, it doesn't mean the rest of us aren't sitting here as Antifa has burned 30 cities in response to Nancy Pelosi's stance that 2016 was stolen and we must fight to take our democracy back. Trump didn't incite any different than other politicians who are sitting firmly in place untouched and unblocked by twitter.
Tim Pool is a national treasure. Thank you for being a journalist when the vast majority of "journalists" are nothing but political hacks. This is such a refreshing interview.
@@sabinereynaudsf which is pretty much every Democrat anytime you bring up any issue. just ask any of them to tell you what a woman is and listen to the responses. Only Democrats will have different answers.
Which is why every decade up to 2000’s was a great time. The 90’s had caveman internet & we still knew what our friends were doin by actually, physically interacting with them instead of behind a device. & those were great times.
Whenever they get asked a difficult question they always respond ‘not quite sure what you’re asking.’ They are obviously guilty of everything Pool brings up. They play that tired game of acting confused. It’s an obvious tactic to ignore a very easy direct question. Twitter has become a complete joke.
I agree with some of his points but it shows he is a dropout because he clearly shows ignorance of GRPR and the complexity of per-country rule enforcement.
@Rex Colubra no but programming skill is, and considering the high school dropout has no knowledge of the chaos in global software companies following GDPR shows his lack of intelligence. Yes, twitter is an American company but it serves GLOBAL customers and can't just apply American rules.
@Jen farmer Agreed, on all points. Attempts at honest and sincere dialogue on that platform can be futile. I wish Tim had had more time to put the screws to the two Twits.
Face to face I can imagine all that wasn't the easiest to follow, plus they stop n look at you n you have to try to pick out what tf the question was because there mostly isn't one. He kills it tho
Reno Amituanai I think all in all, they faired well. Tim definitely outperformed behind wildest expectations. They were also probably upset with Joe because he wasn't in their corner or didn't moderate in favour of them.
badwith names Fair point however when taken into acount the way their acting after this issue has been presistent for almost 3 yeas its really gotta make you wonder if they really give a shit or not
Tim should have clearly made the distinction between (1) abuse and harassment = not ok, (2) inciting the committing of a crime: which is illegal e.g. calls to murder or destroy property = not ok, and (3) Giving opinions on subjects (whether social or political or religious etc). The important thing is number (3) should NEVER be restricted, that is where ideology comes into it and influence on elections etc. The Left believe that right wing beliefs are "hate" and they get a free pass in banning right wing views by enforcing rules against "hate speech". Conversely the Left are allowed to hate anyone they want - the Founding Fathers, Catholicism, "Nazis" (anyone who disagrees with them) etc.... Entirely one sided bias.
I want to hug Tim. Great job! I could never have been able to speak as clearly on this as he did. Thank you Joe for hosting this and Tim for bringing receipts.
I wish Tim could step in for all of the govt hearings involving tech. Imagine him grilling Zuckerberg on the Hill instead of the 70 yr olds asking their laughable questions
They wouldn’t do this because they don’t want to Actually grill Facebook. Silicon Valley is so powerful and blatantly anti conservative it wouldn’t be too far fetched to assume they have some hands in some political pockets that they could call on to throw them some softballs when brought before the public.
Pool could save tax payers millions on the government hearings alone. By the time Government done kissing butt before asking stupid questions Pool done ran circles around every member of the hearing. lol Government hearings are a joke. They are a waste of time and money.
"The cases are very different" and then 2 seconds later about the same case "I'm not sure what you're talking about" In other words this Twitter attorney is in full lying mode
no fucking shit sherlock she literally dodges his facts with acts of confusion for 9 straight fucking minutes. their arguments are as organized as it gets but it seems that twitter paid this lawyer a little bit extra for this act of hers
They straight up didn't actually answer a single question with a real answer, they just skirt around it because they know exactly what they're doing why do you think she has that smile on her face
She’s totally dodging questions or giving answers that are meant to shut them up. There is a liberal bias and it is sooooo one sided , 85% media outlet bias.
You can say the same for trump tho dumbass lol his team used fb and twitter to influence people. Remember pizza gate? Thats what you dumbasses would believe in. Haha trump lost.
I actually feel bad for you Fub. there IS A 13 minute video and rather than watching it, you leave a comment showing that you have no idea about the video. what a fucking idiot you are.
markmotarker Not really. It was nice to have someone actually informed on the subject and who is privy to the data talking about these subjects. And how is it not a big deal that he wants a private business to be publicly owned?
Tim is really good, I’m glad you let him do this. I don’t always agree with him, but his points are speaking for everyone and he really put the fire at their feet and was asking hard, but really important questions.
I think that's the most important point. I disagree with him a LOT, but that is perfectly OK. In the United States of America, we are supposed to be able to disagree and have public discourse. That's what a healthy democracy looks like. Big tech doesn't like public discourse. It's bad for the bottom line.
Exactly. Tim always puts the story out there first, then his opinion. I don't agree with Tim on quite a few issues but he always let's me decide by separating the facts from his view.
@@andydoufreisn2973 LMFAO...WTF! do you dumarse realize what you just wrote..and you even got two thumbs up LMFAO.. so youre saying you would rather be trump's dog...geez man..that describes trump fanboys perfectly. Dems are *no one's* dogs... We're not right wingers...
@@chainbreaker7621 just like how the left thinsk its logical to have men compete in women sports because they think theyre a women even tho theyre a biological man, seems very logical, i cant wait to see all trans hold every single womens sports records thatll be hilarious
Starting at 6:54 Jack: "In terms of what we're trying to drive is opportunity for every single person to be able to SPEAK FREELY on the platform and..." Tim: "That's absolutely not true. You don't allow 'hate speech' so free speech is not on your platform." Jack: "I said enable everyone, create the opportunity for everyone to speak on our service." That's a pretty daring attempt at gaslighting, Jack, especially since what you just said was recorded.
They "enable" the "opportunity" to speak on our service. This is stating that everyone is allowed to speak, however, that does not give them the right. Tim is arguing that this is an infraction on free speech, because Twitter bans people they disagree with, and it is heavily focused on the right-wing side of politics in every country they are available on. They consider "hate speech" a means for these bans, but will ban people for speaking freely. Therefore, it makes public view skewed towards the people banned being hateful and ignorant, even if the tweets were not harmful, or even derogatory. Gaslighting in this case is Jack sowing the seeds of doubt in Tim's argument of who they decide to ban. If that makes sense.
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@@EyeofValor yes it does. Just misread who was gaslighting. My bad.
Actually Poole is thoroughly confused. His question makes absolutely zero sense. He keeps repeating it for nearly 15 minutes while the Twitter execs politely try to find a modicum of logic in it.
She said “I don’t see the connection between the two cases” and proceeded to say “I actually don’t know what you’re taking about.” And nobody Said anything? Lmao
EXACTLY 👍 PEOPLE NEED TO EXPLOIT THE FACTS THAT TWITTER IS SO POWERFUL! LIKE THIS WOMAN USING THE WORDS DON'T YOU THINK WE SHOULD USE THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE RULES! LOL. WHAT THEY MEAN TO SAY IF YOUR NOT SPEAKING ALONGSIDE EXEC/ESTABLISHMENT BASED INTERESTS YOU COULD AND WILL BE CANCELLED!!! ;)
Actually Poole is thoroughly confused. His question makes absolutely zero sense. He keeps repeating it for nearly 15 minutes while the Twitter execs politely try to find a modicum of logic in it.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 his questions make perfect sense. They just keep dodging every single one with generic answers because they can’t respond without sounding hypocritical
Yup. I don’t use Twitter because I don’t need to. I got along fine for years before it existed and I’m doing just fine totally ignoring the platform now that it does exist. None of us actually NEED any of this social media stuff. We only think we do.
He was so ready that i was surprised she handled herself well with his crushing questions. Most people lose their shit when they're being out smarted left and right
@Principatus well it's out there What about the signatures they they rejected 18% of on the petition to get govoner newsteom out but 0.1 % signature rejection I pennsylvania for president elections and the average is at least 1%
Actually Poole is thoroughly confused. His question makes absolutely zero sense. He keeps repeating it for nearly 15 minutes while the Twitter execs politely try to find a modicum of logic in it.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 did u just "no you" this comment? Try adding examples into your objections to make it constructive. You didnt address which question poole mentioned or what was unobjective.
@@magistar2243 I elaborated at length on another thread. I'll copy it for you below. You're absolutely right; I myself hate when people do posts like that. In my case I was hoping to be asked. But which question I was talking about should be obvious to anyone who watched the clip, since Pool kept pressing it for 15 minutes. From the thread: First, Poole claims that U.S. federal law does not ban hate speech or abusive speech, but Twitter does, on the basis of which he then repeatedly claims that Twitter thus does not "conform" to U.S. law. That is already thoroughly confused, because U.S. law does not prohibit banning a kind of speech from a platform. It just refrains itself from criminalising hate speech and verbal abuse. He then tries to claim that this prohibition of hate speech and abusive speech is "ideological" and runs counter to federal law (compounding the first confusion). But on top of all that he adds another layer of utter confusion: that foreign governments are using Twitter to manipulate elections, while Twitter is banning the speech (i.e. hate and abuse) of good American citizens for ideological reasons that are not in "conformity" with American law. What????? What does manipulation by foreign governments have to do with banning hate speech and harrassment? Poole is so confused that he sounds like he is saying that SINCE foreign governments succeed in using Twitter to manipulate elections, Twitter should stop banning hate speech and harrassment. That would be a thoroughly absurd non sequitur. The executive then tries to pin him down on that, and asks if he wants Twitter to refrain from banning hate speech or harrassment. He tries to squirm his way out by saying that would be too "reductive", meaning: that's exactly what my argument was implying, but I see how ridiculous the conclusion is, so let me see if I can weasel my way out of it. So again, WTF does manipulation by foreign governments have to do with banning hate speech??? Joe Rogan feels forced to observe that foreign governments - anyone who uses the platform - are subject to the same restrictions on hate speech and abuse. If anything, someone could argue that the restrictions on hate speech are *insufficient* and that *stronger* restrictions are needed to prevent manipulation of elections. But Poole is so confused that he thinks that manipulation of elections shows that there is something wrong with restrictions on hate speech. Utterly confused. (Someone then objected stridently that Poole is making a comparison between foreign manipulation and hate speech, one which is permitted and the other banned. And that's true. So what's my problem? I reply:) He's making a comparison between two things that have no relation to each other, but I agree that very stupid people might think that that is a brilliant insight. If you think about it - well ok, let's just assume you had a functioning brain - a platform can and should ban hate speech, which censors certain content, but you can't just ban foreign "manipulation", because there is no content-based analysis that can expose a tweet as "manipulation", there is no good reason to ban any tweet just because it is "manipulative" (a nebulous concept that can apply to almost any tweet) and there is no good reason to ban a tweet or an account just because it is foreign. The executive tried to point this out several times, and even Rogan had to explain to this putz that foreign accounts are subject to the same restrictions on hate speech. But the guy is so confused that he seems to be saying the incredibly stupid idea that if they can't stop foreign manipulation then they shouldn't ban hate speech. Of course when they directly asked him if this is what he is arguing, he tries to deny it, and calls it too "reductive". Then wtf is his point? He doesn't have any. But I agree that very stupid people will keep imagining that there is one.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 oh yea only really stupid people not like Sheila MacDougal can understand. You typed wayy too long of a novel and said absolutely nothing to counter what Pool said. You came in high and mighty with all that time to type nothing of substance. Bravo. You added nothing. Find your cry space
My heart is pounding I'm feeling such excitement hearing Tim really expressing exactly what I see as such a terrible social media problem. It's amazing to hear another person say something you agree with so much, and right to the people you wish you could say it too. These Twitter folks are in denial, acting as though they don't have a responsibility to protect speech that isn't in line with their liberal ideology.
Aiko Natsumi Hard to say. The platform could have certainly taken the hit from the blowback from the first botched podcast. After all, what's another shitstorm to add to all the rest? At least they earn some stripes from having the balls to do another one.
@@rhetro777 "Tim Pool's political agenda" Yeah you pegged him perfectly, he's just some whacko screaming for attention. You clearly have both sides figured out. Totally fair and balanced. Gotcha.
they could never be prepared. you cannot defend the indefensible. that's why the first time dorsey was on rogan's show it went so poorly. because joe rogan played ball and didn't ask any hardball questions
I think it’s a safe bet to say that this lady will not be returning to Joe Rogan’s podcast. Jack might... he didn’t quite ‘back down’ as much as he listened and looked, to me, a bit lost. He must be a figurehead with no personal, day-to-day interaction with his company; there were moments when he seemed to not know what was actually going on with his platform. I get the feeling, he may not be as indoctrinated as this young lady and has allowed his company to be taken over by the leftist activists and ‘thought police.’ I may completely wrong here, I’m not really familiar with Jack Dorsey other than his role at Twitter, he may be a super left-leaning individual and is just disinterested with the company. I can’t say I blame him, take the loot and let someone else deal with it; just make sure they aren’t brainwashed by identitarians who preach tolerance, truth, and morals from one side of their mouths, only to bigoted, dishonest, and amoral from the other side.
2:40 Twitter exec: those cases are completely different. Rogan: can you elaborate? I'm not sure what you guys are referring to. Twitter exec: I'm actually not sure. Me:🤭🤭🤢🤮
This might be one of the most frustrating podcasts I've ever listened to. Still. It was difficult to get through....they just did that repeatedly and persisted with baseless assertions
5:25 to 6:12 absolute gold man. Tim unraveled and dumbed it down, and the little rat lawyer’s face afterwards says it all. She had no words except to smile defeatedly
He was a social liberal he supported Bernie Sanders in 16. But as with everyone he woke up and saw liberalism as the disease it is. He was part of occupy Wallstreet and before you say conservatives were also involved here are the numbers.Fordham University political science professor identified the protester's political affiliations as 25% Democratic, 2% Republican, 11% Socialist, 11% Green Party, 0% Tea Party, and 12% "Other"; meanwhile, 39% of the respondents said they did not identify with any political party.[96] Ideologically the Fordham survey found 39% self-identifying as extremely liberal, 33% as Liberal, 8% as slightly liberal, 15% as moderate/"middle of the road", 2% as slightly conservative, 3% as conservative, and 1% as extremely conservative.[97]
I have a feeling they didn't know Tim would be so sharp and ask questions like this. I had no idea he was this good because I've never really seen him debate like this. This really puts a spin on things a lot of people have never considered. This has to be my favorite question.
Zackary Hancock Ben literally lost a debate to Sam Harris on religion. And Ben is by far not the best debater. If we’re talking about OWNING college students, that’s another discussion.
Every rule is discriminatory against people who don't like the rule. A completely unbiased platform would have no rules. If that's what you want, maybe 4chan is for you (it's not rule-free but it's close).
@@Ronni3no2 Tim clearly pointed out the hypocrisy and biases that has been shown by multiple investigations over the last couple years in regards to twitter and every other mainline social media platform. This women was doing nothing more then deflecting and ignoring that point at all times and you damn well know it.
@@EnhancedCognition > _that has been shown by multiple investigations_ My standards are usually higher than a bunch of anecdotes, specially when it comes to "issues" like this one, that _completely_ miss the point.
If you know people like this you know what happened when she got home. Screaming at her partner/family, trashing the house and drinking. She's probably never been owned and publicly humiliated this thoroughly her entire life!
That t rain of logic is how Leftists debate. You can point out specific instances of Leftists being racist but the defense is always "so we shouldn't fight racism?".
It comes from a very ignorant and very unintelligent point of thinking. It literally kinda hints off the bat that that person is no a good.. debater let's say. It's the same as "God exists because the bible does". Its so dumb and annoying lol
@@ns0557212 It is very purposeful. Trust me, they aren't dumb CEOs. Spend an entire childhood getting away with lying and you will grow up to be a habitual liar that not only lies to others, but also to yourself. They are well trained in manipulation as well as manipulating the train of thought of the audience that will probably think, "Wow. No rules would be chaos!" without even realizing that Tim didn't say that.
@@degen83 Hey, people on the right think government is the solution. Every single time, the government grabs as much power as fast as it can and destroys/severely constricts it's own citizen-slaves. I don't care if it's George Washington himself at the helm. Declare war on England for a tea tax only to impose higher taxes less than a few decades later? Lmao. Statism is a joke.
@@D-One I appreciate the fact that she stated that lawmakers were on their side with regards to the targeted hate speech when he claimed that by not expanding their "free speech" to be in line with the constitution, that somehow they would be more inclined to regulate. No Tim, cyber bullying is something our lawmakers have an interest in curbing, not expanding.
@@secretskeleton7744 you have heard of autocorrect on phones right? The whole correcting small typos in a comment is very overplayed and shows someone who has MAYBE just a tad bit of narcissism. Especially without making a point to go with it. 😀
Tim was clear and the woman just rephrased the message to something else. Like he wants no rules. That’s not what he said...twitters hypocrisy double standards.
@@TalonX_X Then Twitter should rebrand themselves so that people don't get the wrong idea. I suggest "Twitter: Thoughtcrime Un-good" it's a snappy slogan, and effective for the cyberpunk distopia you're encouraging!
that LITERALLY IS WHAT HE SAID! He said it OVER AND OVER. The only rule I heard him say he was in favor of is threatening to murder. If anyone really thinks thats a good fucking idea, to allow harassment to any degree, unfettered, they're fucking stupid..
@@ThatOneGuy0006 Twitter should modify its Terms of Service to remind users: "(1) Twitter is not part of the US government and it therefore not bound by the Constitution's free speech tenants; (2) If you don't like it, you're free to become an entrepreneur and make something better than Twitter that works differently. God bless America; (3) if you are too much of an asshole too much of the time you will be suspended or banned. Duh.
no they weren't, they were literally trying to understand wtf this crazy dude was talking about. He made so many nonsensical points it was hard to keep up! He made multiple points that he, himself, later invalidated. You probably just listened to HIM talk and then started celebrating like a fucking spectator instead of analyzing the God damn conversation and thinking about it objectively.
@@xordusTriggered! 😂. Nice of you to take the time out of your day to stuff ten pounds of shit into a five pound sack, as if anybody gives a fuck about you or your opinion. Hope you feel better now sweetheart! 🤦♂️🤷♂️👌😂
@@xordus The issue with you is that you surround yourself with stupid people. When guys like Tim Pool come out to speak, your mind can't comprehend the intellect.
@@xordus Any examples? I don't know who this guy is, but I understood perfectly the logical argument he was making. I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion, but what about anything he said invalidated his previous argument? It seemed pretty cohesive to me.
Tim’s a guy that talked and complained for hours without offering a single solution. He proved why high IQ people are so turned-off by his type. Tim Pool was not the right person to outride this interview. Twitter brass came to sit down and talk for almost 4 hours and we got a wasted opportunity. We needed someone informed, prepared and ready to trade solutions with these [powerful] people. Instead we got arrogance and anecdotal examples that went in circles. I learned from an important person in my life to never trust people that set up straw-men and _gotcha_ questions, because those people have no interest in adding value. Tim Pool managed to play cat and mouse for hours achieving nothing more than a pyrrhic victory. The interview was an embarrassment and to that end, Joe Rogan did nothing to help. Reading your comment shows how little understanding of social sub-text you have. Are you a bullshitter too or do you have a solution to Twitter’s nuanced problems?
They are a privately owned company that voluntarily decided to use special government protections under the Communications and Decency Act Sect. 230 Exemption clause; which states that they must provide an unbiased, free and open platform to all. Under those conditions they are protected from lawsuits that can be incurred from what people say on the platform. If they decide to deny these protections and become what is known as a publisher then they are legally liable for anything anyone says on their platform.
Twitter: brings a lawyer
Joe : brings a Tim
I'm a right leaning centrist but I'll listen to what Tim says every time because he IS actually an objective voice and I consider him to be #RealNews because of that. I don't agree with him 100% of the time but by far enough that Tim Pool is relevant to the national discussion, more so than ANYONE on CNN or even Fox. So yeah, Twitter brings a lawyer armed with technicalities and double talk. Rogan brings Tim Pool who is armed with the truth. I'll take an uncomfortable truth over a sweet lie any and every day that ends with a Y.
Game, set, match. Twitter loses and is shown to be a facist organization 😄
@@thewisemanwalks That was well said
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Tim: is a mewling idiot...desperate for hate speech 🖕🏻🤣
Twitter is not the USA...it’s a private business 🖕🏻😶
Toma Harley and your a libtard who is desperate for attention (:
She is the physical incarnation of a disclaimer statement.
I would never write a disclaimer statement that smirks at the other party, provoking their ire, and which contains falsehood after falsehood. Nobody would adhere to it, as it would be bad in law. This is a not a lawyer. This is a young lady having the time of her life.
Also diversity hiring
"Just to be clear and I'm not an expert on the platforms but foreign governments use multiple multiple different ways to interfere in elections, not limited to our platform, nor limited to social media"
Also known as a Lawyer xD
I was going to say manifestation, then changed my mind. :)
Hats off to Joe, for knowing when to chime in and when to be funny.
Joe is a pro at this shit.
Hats off? More Like Beanies off.....Get It
Joe, at this point, is absolutely redeemed.
👏👏
@Matthew Jamison Only when I'm well paid.
You guys did a better job pressing these liars than I was expecting. Well done
“Free speech is not in your platform”... bravo, Tim. Never had a Twitter- never will.
I had twitter for all of 10 mins before i got temporarily banned for sharing a article to someblackguys twitter.
I am happy my country doesnt disguise hate speech as "free speech" in the constitution.
Munzaa Drip hate speech is free speech anything short of calls to violence or inciting a riot is fine.
Twitter is a global platform alot of countries including countries like Canada, Australia and many more dont have free speech. Infact they have anti discrimination laws. So Twitter has to consider this when making their platform otherwise they lose millions of users.
@@robinmkimanzi Can you succinctly define what is and what isn't hate speech?
Lol coming back here today... Tim called it a year ago
Yeah, they need to be regulated for their fucking LEFTIST COMMUNIST INFILTRATED CHINA SHIT! FUCK YOU HACK>>>I MEAN JACK!
Aren't conservative assholes constantly talking about less government intrusion. You've got your 8chan don't you. Now you want government to decide what private company's say. Next will be free press. Instead encourage government to go after giant corporations for the same shit in the early 1900s. Monopoly bullshit stop distracting from the true crimes.
XXX
@@burgerman9997 nothing you said had anything to do with what he said lol stop projecting your own shit man
Nope rhe only reaaon sites like Twitter and Facebook don't get sued for defamation say for instance if someone calls a straight guy a fag or vice versa thats called slander he would then be able to sue the user and or the company allowing it to be seen by the masses. When the company got its liscense to become a platform the only way they skirted the relations was by saying g
Hey we arent going to censor anything other than death threats and crime the rest is protected by the constitution. Instead in 2015 and even before that they started slowly banning people who don't adhere to there political view which in turn takes them from bieng a bi-partisan news site to part sponsored community in which case everything would be used as evidence in a courtroom in many lawsuits twitter woukd be bankrupt in 1 day because they couldn't possibly fact check everything on there platform. If you want to be about free speach fine but if you want to have left leaning ideology that specifically targets people who don't adhere to pc culture and start banning just those people for disagreeing then you must face the regulators and prepare for millions of lawsuits...
Tim "That's absolutely not true. Free speech is not on your platform" !!!!! TIM!!! We love you!!!! TIM!!! HERO
Agreed. He had the balls to jump in and call her out on the lies.
Free speech is not free of consequences. If there are rules, they are there to be enforced, else there is no need for rules and I guess it's okay to doxx Nathaniel Parker Conrad and offer money to kill him or members of his family. If you agree with that, then cool you have total free speech , or at least you believe so until the police comes to take you for plotting a murder.
I’m a conservative who thanks Tim!!
Bill Rhoasts what did she lie about?
@@billrhoasts5456 That was said to Jack, not her.
The fact twitter has to rely on a lawyer mouthpiece to vett and regurgitate questions back at the questioner, then turn around and vaguely dismiss or pass off questions shows how corrupt and horrific their company is. The doublespeak dismissing of banned accounts is vile.
Tim Grilled them far more than any politician I have seen.
Most politicians are old people who don't understand technology that well.
flake452 this is what actual journalism is. This hasn't been seen in America in decades. This is a person speaking for the citizenry to the wealthy owners and operators of the United States of America Corporation.
@@patrickpinch2929 Rich Republicans are *conning* working class conservatives and the altright is helping them.
@@chainbreaker7621 You are a fucking idiot
was just thinking they need to bring him in on the next hearing
I wish Tim could speak before Congress on internet censorship.
The way he laid out all of the contradictions that Twitter gets away with is amazing.
SPOT ON!!
@@dondep Rightwingers are afraid of Free Speech because Reality contradicts right wing thinking.
Yeah, let him spread his propaganda everywhere and anywhere!
They're not contradictions, they're inconsistencies. There's a difference.
@@chainbreaker7621 Your trolling skills are weak young chain breaker.
Jack sure did keep his mouth shut a lot during this podcast
Anything you can and will say will be used against you in a court of law. So yeah. I'd say he kept his mouth shut.
He's not paying the lady for nothing, it's to take on the risk of anything said.
@@freedomforall2924 Yep that's it.
Page Ealk
Are you surprised?
SO, THE GUY IS ACTUALLY ARGUIN WITH THE TWITTER BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE HATE SPEECH. UNBELIVEBLE.!!!!! HE KNOWS THAT THE REPUBLICANS CAN NOT WIN WITHOUT NAZI SPEACH. OK THIS IS CRAZY. SPEECH. HE ARGUES LIKE A MAN IN DESPAIR.
Who's here after Elon Musk bought Twitter and fired these guys? 😂😂
😁❤
Me! 😆
Me!!🤣🤣🤣
Who cares
Im transgender whats that? Google. Oh so its like a search engine.
Well this aged well.
Why, what happened?
@@describedby_3953 nothing happened twitter just continued their wrongdoings
M Al Shammari okay, thanks!
Sant Ramos Everything this hag said was a lie. Twitter is 100% biased and is banning anything and anyone conservative related. These people should be charged with civil rights violations and Twitter completely shutdown. TH-cam is trash as well
Aged even better this month
i loved when Jack was like "we want everyone to be able to speak freely" and Tim just flat out is like "no you don't"
Case and point they banned the President of the United States of America
"We want everyone to able to speak freely IF we agree with their viewpoint."
Do you think free speech should be allowed if it results in violence?
2:17
Yesss....
This MUDAFUKA and Twitter and Facebook COLLUDED together with Indian Opposition (Congress Party) which is ULTRA RADICAL COMMUNIST LEFTIST just like Democrats of US and *CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA* . These BIG TECHS are Anti Right Wingers anti Conservatives *ALL AROUND THE WORLD* .
LATEST: Indian Red Fort security was breached on Jan 26 and Religious Flag was hoisted removing Indian National Flag and the riot happened because TWITTER AND FACEBOOK helped them spread *"MISINFORMATION"*.
These BIG TECHS must be broken ASAP before they break our countries and societies apart.
@@notchedbandit yes....
Because only institution that has right to take action is POLICE and only institution to take decision on any "criminality" is judiciary.
I got a 24 hour suspension on twitter after a white blue checkmark journalist made one of those cringy "white people are bad" tweets so I responded _That's racist!_
WT actual F
Take a screenshot of that. The amount of people that bs about why they get banned is ridiculous.
I learned to just report it and they take action pretty fast. Within a day. It’s pretty easy to get other people suspended. Never harass anyone, or directly call them names or disagree with an idea directly.
You could have gotten away by saying, “That idea sounds racist” or “That’s one opinion, 1”. That’s my go to. It says it without saying it. ✌🏼
Hahahahahahahahahahahhaha!
I wouldn't have believed you before Tim shining a light on all this bs
There are plenty of cases of people lying about why they got banned, like when sargon of akkad said he got banned unfairly even though he was twitting gay porn at people.
The more I watch this over the last 2 years I really think Tim did a good job. He only had 500k subs at the time but he understood the issue
there is no talking to people like this... she refuses to acknowledge Tims point.
Nicolas Dinucci exactly. She doesn’t hear him & she just keeps blazing thru with her misplaced ideas
@@trukboat7701 it's her company...
@@stevenp25100 ITS PUBLIC PLATFOR(FORUM) Only thing PRIVAT is raking money from ad's THATS IT!
If its privat then EVERYTHING BAD written there should be on their hands andn they would go BROKE!
@@dasa7921 it's a private company. If you dont like their service, dont use it. Not hard
@@stevenp25100 If your privat company is making PRODUCT than you're right... if your privat company is FORUM where people come to speak then you cant rule with your ideology; It PUBLIC... YOU CAN ONLY GET MONEY FROM IT BUT CONTENT ON IT IS NOT YOURS! THIS IS NOT COCA COLA OR MC DONALDS NOT TO USE IT; YOU HAVE TO USE TWITTER AND FACEBOOK IN THIS DAY AND AGE! This stuff is not joke kids...
Tim Poole did his homework. Great job. Thank you for standing up for freedom
Mark she did read a self help book about using peoples names more
@hyeboi no way in hell we're watching the same video.
Poole
He’s an idiot’s idea of a smart person
Freedom to tell another company what to do?
*This just in* Beanie bro destroys seasoned lady lawyer
Destroyed? They're trying to make sense of his gibbering diatribe disguised as a vague question.
Rhetro Active are you actually crying when you type that?
SO, THE GUY IS ACTUALLY ARGUIN WITH THE TWITTER BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE HATE SPEECH. UNBELIVEBLE.!!!!! HE KNOWS THAT THE REPUBLICANS CAN NOT WIN WITHOUT NAZI SPEACH. OK THIS IS CRAZY. SPEECH. HE ARGUES LIKE A MAN IN DESPAIR.
@Better Being Z LMAO dumarse trump fanboys.. call people "NPC" and can't even spell [you're] correctly!! LMAO at trump fanboys!
victor youtube he’s not even republican lol he’s a liberal democrat ... what are you talking about ???
I’m glad she’s out of there. She had a golden opportunity to really make an impact on civil discourse as a whole but her lack of understanding of the imperative role Free Speech garners and her ideological possession caused the Twitter buyout. Crying in front of her employees is indicative of how she ran her section of the company. Through emotion. Not logic. She has no one to blame but herself for what happened. Hopefully she holds herself accountable and if not, keep the tears rolling.
I suspect (hope) she will be disbarred for some illegal shit she probably did.
The fact that you think Twitter is gonna get better is laughable at best and mentally ill at worst. Go outside
I researched them when twitter banned trump. She was mad a hero and a goddess. she spearheaded the campaign to get Trump out and it wasn't for breaking twitter rules. they had a vendetta and she led the charge. she is a vapid poisonous treacherous snake.. SO glad shes gone.. what an evil and entitled arrogant person
She doesn't lack the understanding of anything...She is very conniving and has persistently shown bias....She knows exactly what she is doing
Tim "The Hammer" Pool.
Not the beanie we deserve, but the beanie we need.
Sounds good... He surprised me on this one.. Turned savage here
Tim pool is the living embodiment of a regressive lmao
Haha he made these 2 look like amateurs!
Pim "the hammer" Tool would fit better for that nickname :D
@@Rustycan5639 lol i would love to call you out if this was a serious account and if you actually meant what you were saying
A year later the retrospective on this conversation is stunning. Pool deserves a tremendous amount of credit here.
Yea he knew what was coming
Poole is thoroughly confused. His question makes absolutely zero sense. He keeps repeating it for nearly 15 minutes while the Twitter execs politely try to find a modicum of logic in it.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 how does it not make sense. Your own statement doesn’t make sense if you don’t give any sort of evidence
@@sheilamacdougal4874 Wrong. The twitter execs chose purposely to not understand him and play dumb, thus making him HAVE to explain it for 15 minutes.
@@abk1424 You don't have any logic, so you decide if the question makes sense on the basis of whom you like. That's of course the type of imbecile one expects to encounter on social media. However, feel free to prove me wrong by explaining the logic of Poole's question. And btw, the woman was struggling to be polite as he kept repeating the absurd question.
They were expecting a dumb internet troll, Tim roasted them faster than a witch in Salem.
@Symbolic Gesture That's what happened, I'll assume you're under the age of 14.
36 year old male.... Tim killed them.
Damien Hawkin “All he did was grill Jack and Vijaya with constructive, valid criticism. Tim is nowhere near your average internet troll”
not really. Twitter is a private company, not the government.
I agree with Tim on what he has talked about on a lot of the other clips. But him saying Twitter's rules should just be in line with American laws I can not agree with. Like what Vijaya said, the rest of the world makes up 75% of twitters user base. American laws should not be applied to that 75%. Twitter should serve the world, not the American constitution. So I agree with Vijaya where Twitter has aligned their rules to the global standards of hate speech, harassment and discrimination.
Tim Pool was ready for this conversation. Well done.
I totally agree! This is such a great example of someone making the most of this moment and i think its obvious that we'll forever look back at the power of Tim's words. Hats off to him for this.
Bahahhahaha…um, no.
@@edmondhuot5509leftist bot
Damage control GONE WRONG
I love how Tim Pool is not holding back. Nice job 👍🏼
Don’t know why he keeps insisting Twitter needs to be run like America. It’s a private business and most of twitter isn’t even American
@Esosa Osagie American centrism, they rarely realise that the world exists.
Esosa Osagie he’s saying if your running your business here in the United States, we have freedom of speech and should be aloud to say whatever we want wether you agree with me or not, because you have that exact freedom as well.
@John Moore Not the case here in Australia. If what you say is considered 'hate speech', you can be prosecuted for it. And I actually think that's fair enough, depending on what was said, and the motivation behind it.
Michael C I agree that arguing is pointless, and name calling is ridiculous, but who gets to de side what I’m aloud to talk about and the words that I can say?
This aged well
Twitter: “We are a international organization supporting all countries”
Twitter: Censors Donald Trump
Twitter: Does not censor dictators
Tim “ If you incite death, you should go to jail for it”. Then by Tim’s logic, Donald Trump should be in jail. This is why frustrated virgins like Tim should not be taken seriously.
@@9pinertt87 Did Trump incite death on anyone? Just curious, i am not American and didnt know
@@zoloosso3152 no he wanted his supports to march on the capitol and protest the election result but things got out of hand and trump told them to calm down and go home. Yeah it was horrible but he didn't mean for people to get shot and capitol trashed.
@@buckedpuppy7263 I see,its fair then, why the guy above would write such a thing. Its heavy accusation to throw things like this unless there is a proof 🤔
@@9pinertt87 Nancy Pelosi's twitter is still alive and well where she states, "The election was stolen, we must fight to take our democracy back". Just because your memory is that of a twit, it doesn't mean the rest of us aren't sitting here as Antifa has burned 30 cities in response to Nancy Pelosi's stance that 2016 was stolen and we must fight to take our democracy back. Trump didn't incite any different than other politicians who are sitting firmly in place untouched and unblocked by twitter.
Tim Pool is a national treasure. Thank you for being a journalist when the vast majority of "journalists" are nothing but political hacks. This is such a refreshing interview.
He didn't get to the point with his argument, and used bad analogies.
He's a simp nothing more
@@sabinereynaudsf which is pretty much every Democrat anytime you bring up any issue. just ask any of them to tell you what a woman is and listen to the responses. Only Democrats will have different answers.
Just imagine the peacefulness of absolutely no social media
Blessing and a curse
Which is why every decade up to 2000’s was a great time. The 90’s had caveman internet & we still knew what our friends were doin by actually, physically interacting with them instead of behind a device. & those were great times.
Wars, conflicts and misinformation have been around since the inception of humans.
Social Media isn't the culprit.
Tim was AWESOME! So glad he was able to articulate the arguments and concerns people have
He did it far better than most, is was very articulate
I was in awe how well he did.
@@actingcrazy7227 Same here, watch him all the time.. Finally got to these and was like... Damn
Tim should've interviewed the zucc infront of Congress
Zuck is way more based than Jack. By a million miles.
The zucc?
Ev mark zuckerbberg
Well said
@@oddunb6190 That's a hyperbole if I've ever seen one. It's not very safe to trust any of these technocrats.
Whenever they get asked a difficult question they always respond ‘not quite sure what you’re asking.’ They are obviously guilty of everything Pool brings up. They play that tired game of acting confused. It’s an obvious tactic to ignore a very easy direct question. Twitter has become a complete joke.
Tim Pool is a south side Chicago high school drop out and he just roasted the CEO of Twitter
@Rex Colubra I think that was the point....
No he asked him a simple question, the CEO roasted himself by letting the clueless indian woman answer for him and fight his battles
I agree with some of his points but it shows he is a dropout because he clearly shows ignorance of GRPR and the complexity of per-country rule enforcement.
@Rex Colubra no but programming skill is, and considering the high school dropout has no knowledge of the chaos in global software companies following GDPR shows his lack of intelligence. Yes, twitter is an American company but it serves GLOBAL customers and can't just apply American rules.
@@niks983 Haha
This interview accomplishes in part what a Congressional hearing could not.
@Jen farmer Agreed, on all points. Attempts at honest and sincere dialogue on that platform can be futile. I wish Tim had had more time to put the screws to the two Twits.
Tim "No Chill" Pool held no punches against the CEO of Twitter for 3 hours straight.
MAD RESPECT!
Last beat down like this was Ali vs Foreman
This podcast episode continues to age like fine wine
IKR !!!
Her "I'm trying to follow you" is the new, "So what your'e saying is."
Face to face I can imagine all that wasn't the easiest to follow, plus they stop n look at you n you have to try to pick out what tf the question was because there mostly isn't one. He kills it tho
Exactly
Succinctly said!
It's safe to assume the drive home for Jack and Vijaya was spent in an awkward silence.
Reno Amituanai
I think all in all, they faired well.
Tim definitely outperformed behind wildest expectations.
They were also probably upset with Joe because he wasn't in their corner or didn't moderate in favour of them.
@@ma1ist I see where you're coming from especially in regards to JR.
@@ma1ist agreed, thanks for nuance
badwith names Fair point however when taken into acount the way their acting after this issue has been presistent for almost 3 yeas its really gotta make you wonder if they really give a shit or not
Jack and his Mommy.
95% joe and tim making correct arguments, 5% twitter dodging the question
That's what guilty lawyers and justin treudou does best.
Twitter is basically saying “my game my rules”, but they’re playing the game in our country, should be our rules win.
Tim should have clearly made the distinction between (1) abuse and harassment = not ok, (2) inciting the committing of a crime: which is illegal e.g. calls to murder or destroy property = not ok, and (3) Giving opinions on subjects (whether social or political or religious etc). The important thing is number (3) should NEVER be restricted, that is where ideology comes into it and influence on elections etc.
The Left believe that right wing beliefs are "hate" and they get a free pass in banning right wing views by enforcing rules against "hate speech". Conversely the Left are allowed to hate anyone they want - the Founding Fathers, Catholicism, "Nazis" (anyone who disagrees with them) etc.... Entirely one sided bias.
Your pfp is fuckin dope
@@michaelmarvel2741 thanks bro
I pity this woman who spent so many youthful years studying to become a lawyer, ultimately be reduced to someone who bans people on Twitter.
Don’t feel too sorry for her. She makes $17M per year from Twitter for some odd reason.
@@JustinBlazzzee because she banned Trump thats why. they treated her like a goddess for that. now shes unemployed.. but got a nice golden parachute.
@@JustinBlazzzee Wow firing her was a quick win.
I want to hug Tim. Great job! I could never have been able to speak as clearly on this as he did. Thank you Joe for hosting this and Tim for bringing receipts.
I wish Tim could step in for all of the govt hearings involving tech. Imagine him grilling Zuckerberg on the Hill instead of the 70 yr olds asking their laughable questions
We can dream
If I was a lawmaker and watched this I’d be immediately making legislation to control, break up, and regulate Twitter
They wouldn’t do this because they don’t want to Actually grill Facebook. Silicon Valley is so powerful and blatantly anti conservative it wouldn’t be too far fetched to assume they have some hands in some political pockets that they could call on to throw them some softballs when brought before the public.
Pool could save tax payers millions on the government hearings alone. By the time Government done kissing butt before asking stupid questions Pool done ran circles around every member of the hearing. lol Government hearings are a joke. They are a waste of time and money.
@@rogerc23 then thank Christ you're not a lawmaker. Big Government is NOT the answer to big tech. Let people live their lives instead of meddling.
"The cases are very different" and then 2 seconds later about the same case "I'm not sure what you're talking about" In other words this Twitter attorney is in full lying mode
Yes. This was the best part
She lied so hard
I caught that too. What a ripe cunt.
I agree, but she did it waaaaaaay better than I could.
no fucking shit sherlock
she literally dodges his facts with acts of confusion for 9 straight fucking minutes.
their arguments are as organized as it gets but it seems that twitter paid this lawyer a little bit extra for this act of hers
Who is here after vijaya was escorted out of Twitter HQ???? 😂 I love this country.
They straight up didn't actually answer a single question with a real answer, they just skirt around it because they know exactly what they're doing why do you think she has that smile on her face
Are you deaf? Did you listen to anything she said?
She stumbles, stutters and looks around a shit load too. A clear sign of lying.
what smile i cant detect a single ounce of emotion
She’s totally dodging questions or giving answers that are meant to shut them up. There is a liberal bias and it is sooooo one sided ,
85% media outlet bias.
@darryl paynter Nobody is "generalizing any different view". That's such a vague statement to make.
Who's here after Twitter banned the NY Post's Hunter Biden article?
Snakes in the grass
I can’t believe they done that, blatant election meddling and not hate speech.
You can say the same for trump tho dumbass lol his team used fb and twitter to influence people. Remember pizza gate? Thats what you dumbasses would believe in. Haha trump lost.
@@Whatacomedian_ Go play your little wrestling video games in your parents basement twerp
@@Whatacomedian_ Trump Crying because he missed golf shot 😂 th-cam.com/video/K_iD_Z6qt0Q/w-d-xo.html
Tim, whoa man! You were on FIRE! MUCH MUCH RESPECT
Such a brilliant moment in podcast history. 👏
Jack lawyered up for a podcast . Let that sink in for a minute.
Against Tim Pool. And Tim still makes them look like idiots.
I actually feel bad for you Fub. there IS A 13 minute video and rather than watching it, you leave a comment showing that you have no idea about the video. what a fucking idiot you are.
Badger0fDeath what about other countries? Now they should adjust their rules depending on the cpuntry the user is in?
"I'm frustrated because of the hypocrisy" Tim nailed it and the lady's own irony is lost on her.
"I'm not sure what you're talking about, but those two cases are totally different" wtf is that plot hole
Millenial Knowledge
this whole conversation.....
Agree to disagree.
This Tim guy literally is an Avengers level threat for these execs.
Omg this weasel lawyer lady. That was painful to watch.
She is no lady
markmotarker Not really. It was nice to have someone actually informed on the subject and who is privy to the data talking about these subjects. And how is it not a big deal that he wants a private business to be publicly owned?
Yeah, spending her day arguing with a South Park character.
shes so fucking stupid, Tim explained for 10 minutes and she still didn't understand
@@Swockwickdus oh she did
Tim is really good, I’m glad you let him do this. I don’t always agree with him, but his points are speaking for everyone and he really put the fire at their feet and was asking hard, but really important questions.
I think that's the most important point. I disagree with him a LOT, but that is perfectly OK. In the United States of America, we are supposed to be able to disagree and have public discourse. That's what a healthy democracy looks like. Big tech doesn't like public discourse. It's bad for the bottom line.
Exactly. Tim always puts the story out there first, then his opinion. I don't agree with Tim on quite a few issues but he always let's me decide by separating the facts from his view.
He at least is well researched and never settles for incomplete answers which is awesome
Tim you made us proud
Rightwingers are proud to be trump's dogs.. also they're proud to remain darkened from the Light of Logic. lol It's True.
I'm happy you PePeps are happy
@@chainbreaker7621 Better than being Hilary's lap dog
@@andydoufreisn2973 LMFAO...WTF! do you dumarse realize what you just wrote..and you even got two thumbs up LMFAO.. so youre saying you would rather be trump's dog...geez man..that describes trump fanboys perfectly.
Dems are *no one's* dogs... We're not right wingers...
@@chainbreaker7621 just like how the left thinsk its logical to have men compete in women sports because they think theyre a women even tho theyre a biological man, seems very logical, i cant wait to see all trans hold every single womens sports records thatll be hilarious
Well said 👏👏👏Tim Pool . Twitter has no words to explain
Starting at 6:54 Jack: "In terms of what we're trying to drive is opportunity for every single person to be able to SPEAK FREELY on the platform and..."
Tim: "That's absolutely not true. You don't allow 'hate speech' so free speech is not on your platform."
Jack: "I said enable everyone, create the opportunity for everyone to speak on our service."
That's a pretty daring attempt at gaslighting, Jack, especially since what you just said was recorded.
They "enable" the "opportunity" to speak on our service. This is stating that everyone is allowed to speak, however, that does not give them the right. Tim is arguing that this is an infraction on free speech, because Twitter bans people they disagree with, and it is heavily focused on the right-wing side of politics in every country they are available on. They consider "hate speech" a means for these bans, but will ban people for speaking freely. Therefore, it makes public view skewed towards the people banned being hateful and ignorant, even if the tweets were not harmful, or even derogatory. Gaslighting in this case is Jack sowing the seeds of doubt in Tim's argument of who they decide to ban. If that makes sense.
@@EyeofValor yes it does. Just misread who was gaslighting. My bad.
Actually Poole is thoroughly confused. His question makes absolutely zero sense. He keeps repeating it for nearly 15 minutes while the Twitter execs politely try to find a modicum of logic in it.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 you have repeated this comment sooooo many times and upvoted yourself on each one lol....
@@ninvusoogoar6098 I did repeat it, but didn't upvote it. But what do you care? You're just another dumb troll with nothing of substance to say.
She said “I don’t see the connection between the two cases” and proceeded to say “I actually don’t know what you’re taking about.” And nobody Said anything? Lmao
Because she's only blabbering to make up time instead of answering. She's a liar and a manipulator.
@@our_illumination949 Why yes she is a lawyer
@@our_illumination949 welcome to Twatter!
"We allow everyone to speak on our platform"
Unless they speak in a way that we don't like.
Yes. Got s problem with that? They get to enforce their terms of service. Make your own twitter.
EXACTLY 👍 PEOPLE NEED TO EXPLOIT THE FACTS THAT TWITTER IS SO POWERFUL! LIKE THIS WOMAN USING THE WORDS DON'T YOU THINK WE SHOULD USE THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE RULES! LOL. WHAT THEY MEAN TO SAY IF YOUR NOT SPEAKING ALONGSIDE EXEC/ESTABLISHMENT BASED INTERESTS YOU COULD AND WILL BE CANCELLED!!! ;)
@@marcalan1198 Sounds like capitalism
@@Bolizen buy*
@@Bolizen how u doin bruh ??
Tim shined like the sun here.
He is not just a keyboard warrior he actually has spine and is super cool, I respect him even more now
6:10 she smirked at what Tim pool was saying and here we are, exactly what he said is happening.
she said "AAHh you got us Tim"
Yeah...her reaction was like "you little shit, we won't get regulated by anyone" f*ing bitch
Actually Poole is thoroughly confused. His question makes absolutely zero sense. He keeps repeating it for nearly 15 minutes while the Twitter execs politely try to find a modicum of logic in it.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 people who still don't understand what tim was saying have their heads burried under the ground like an ostrich.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 his questions make perfect sense. They just keep dodging every single one with generic answers because they can’t respond without sounding hypocritical
Gadde: "I think contrarily to your factual statement, with good reason."
Pool/Rogan: "What's that reason?"
Gadde: "Hmm?"
Solution: Get off Twitter and you will be amazed how you don't miss it
I'm on another level.
I just never made a twitter
Yup. I don’t use Twitter because I don’t need to. I got along fine for years before it existed and I’m doing just fine totally ignoring the platform now that it does exist. None of us actually NEED any of this social media stuff. We only think we do.
Deleted it a year ago, don't miss it at all, I can't understand why people are giving it that much importance, when it's something so meaningless.
Only platform I’m on now is TH-cam, best decision ever
I for years have downloaded twitter than I always delete within a hour.
How was this woman not fired despite failing so badly in this interview…. Shows how inefficient twitter team is!!
She's fired now.
Twitter: we brought a lawyer!
Joe Rogan: i brought a tim... He's like my bro philosopher guy!
Funny how the Tim demolished the lawyer. Made her look like a child.
She was a diversity hire, Tim has been preparing for this his whole life. Thats the difference
Tim is a goddamn beast.
He was so ready that i was surprised she handled herself well with his crushing questions. Most people lose their shit when they're being out smarted left and right
Dorsey knows exactly what he is doing. He's a deceiver.
He's a ceo, that's what they all do
Now look what he did
He is AN anti-Christ, not THE anti-Christ!
Jack Darsey brought this executive girl to use her as an Automatic Email Reply feature 🤣
😭😭😭 you should hear her on the undercover project veritas tape that just came out
@Principatus just go to the project veritas page it’s there
@Principatus just seeing this now. were you able to do some research
@Principatus well it's out there
What about the signatures they they rejected 18% of on the petition to get govoner newsteom out but 0.1 % signature rejection I pennsylvania for president elections and the average is at least 1%
i must say, your name and picture are hilarious
this aged well 😂
And now we learn that she was lying through her teeth, throughtout the ENTIRER interview.
God damn give this man a Nobel peace prize
It's already been awarded to Alex Jones for the next ten years
She's conflating "abusive behavior" with any expression of opinion in opposition to left wing ideology.
Actually Poole is thoroughly confused. His question makes absolutely zero sense. He keeps repeating it for nearly 15 minutes while the Twitter execs politely try to find a modicum of logic in it.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 did u just "no you" this comment? Try adding examples into your objections to make it constructive. You didnt address which question poole mentioned or what was unobjective.
@@magistar2243 I elaborated at length on another thread. I'll copy it for you below. You're absolutely right; I myself hate when people do posts like that. In my case I was hoping to be asked. But which question I was talking about should be obvious to anyone who watched the clip, since Pool kept pressing it for 15 minutes. From the thread:
First, Poole claims that U.S. federal law does not ban hate speech or abusive speech, but Twitter does, on the basis of which he then repeatedly claims that Twitter thus does not "conform" to U.S. law. That is already thoroughly confused, because U.S. law does not prohibit banning a kind of speech from a platform. It just refrains itself from criminalising hate speech and verbal abuse. He then tries to claim that this prohibition of hate speech and abusive speech is "ideological" and runs counter to federal law (compounding the first confusion). But on top of all that he adds another layer of utter confusion: that foreign governments are using Twitter to manipulate elections, while Twitter is banning the speech (i.e. hate and abuse) of good American citizens for ideological reasons that are not in "conformity" with American law. What????? What does manipulation by foreign governments have to do with banning hate speech and harrassment? Poole is so confused that he sounds like he is saying that SINCE foreign governments succeed in using Twitter to manipulate elections, Twitter should stop banning hate speech and harrassment. That would be a thoroughly absurd non sequitur. The executive then tries to pin him down on that, and asks if he wants Twitter to refrain from banning hate speech or harrassment. He tries to squirm his way out by saying that would be too "reductive", meaning: that's exactly what my argument was implying, but I see how ridiculous the conclusion is, so let me see if I can weasel my way out of it. So again, WTF does manipulation by foreign governments have to do with banning hate speech??? Joe Rogan feels forced to observe that foreign governments - anyone who uses the platform - are subject to the same restrictions on hate speech and abuse. If anything, someone could argue that the restrictions on hate speech are *insufficient* and that *stronger* restrictions are needed to prevent manipulation of elections. But Poole is so confused that he thinks that manipulation of elections shows that there is something wrong with restrictions on hate speech. Utterly confused.
(Someone then objected stridently that Poole is making a comparison between foreign manipulation and hate speech, one which is permitted and the other banned. And that's true. So what's my problem? I reply:)
He's making a comparison between two things that have no relation to each other, but I agree that very stupid people might think that that is a brilliant insight. If you think about it - well ok, let's just assume you had a functioning brain - a platform can and should ban hate speech, which censors certain content, but you can't just ban foreign "manipulation", because there is no content-based analysis that can expose a tweet as "manipulation", there is no good reason to ban any tweet just because it is "manipulative" (a nebulous concept that can apply to almost any tweet) and there is no good reason to ban a tweet or an account just because it is foreign. The executive tried to point this out several times, and even Rogan had to explain to this putz that foreign accounts are subject to the same restrictions on hate speech. But the guy is so confused that he seems to be saying the incredibly stupid idea that if they can't stop foreign manipulation then they shouldn't ban hate speech. Of course when they directly asked him if this is what he is arguing, he tries to deny it, and calls it too "reductive". Then wtf is his point? He doesn't have any. But I agree that very stupid people will keep imagining that there is one.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 oh yea only really stupid people not like Sheila MacDougal can understand. You typed wayy too long of a novel and said absolutely nothing to counter what Pool said. You came in high and mighty with all that time to type nothing of substance. Bravo. You added nothing. Find your cry space
@@sheilamacdougal4874 still waiting on that copy and paste a year later.....
Tim should grill these guys in Congress while they are under oath.
this comment had more likes when I clicked on it then the likes went down. manipulation of likes just confirmed for me
if only people would vote for people like him instead of AOC or other crazies.
@@furlonggg1 more likes when clicked. Don't be a conspiracy theorist
You think being under oath is going to stop them from lying? Lololol
i second the notion
Awww, poor Vijaya, turn out the lights, the party’s over!!! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
My heart is pounding I'm feeling such excitement hearing Tim really expressing exactly what I see as such a terrible social media problem. It's amazing to hear another person say something you agree with so much, and right to the people you wish you could say it too. These Twitter folks are in denial, acting as though they don't have a responsibility to protect speech that isn't in line with their liberal ideology.
They brushed everything off and probably laughed about it the entire way home. Tim said it perfectly: this meeting changed nothing.
@@aikonatsumi5611 they were there to answer questions, not seek advice on how to change their successful business to suit Tim Pool's political agenda
Aiko Natsumi
Hard to say. The platform could have certainly taken the hit from the blowback from the first botched podcast. After all, what's another shitstorm to add to all the rest?
At least they earn some stripes from having the balls to do another one.
@@rhetro777 "Tim Pool's political agenda" Yeah you pegged him perfectly, he's just some whacko screaming for attention. You clearly have both sides figured out. Totally fair and balanced. Gotcha.
Aiko Natsumi 😂 right
Tim Pool is like a thug version of Ben Shapiro that was raised on the streets.
Or Ben sans religion
Interesting comparison. I like it.
😂😂 thug life tim!
Pretty stupid comment
I always thought of him of a one man, teenage version of OAN. Except that his fan base is largely boomers as well.
You can tell they weren't prepared for this.
they could never be prepared. you cannot defend the indefensible.
that's why the first time dorsey was on rogan's show it went so poorly. because joe rogan played ball and didn't ask any hardball questions
I got that within the first 5 minutes because Jack brought a damn lawyer to speak for him.
I think it’s a safe bet to say that this lady will not be returning to Joe Rogan’s podcast. Jack might... he didn’t quite ‘back down’ as much as he listened and looked, to me, a bit lost. He must be a figurehead with no personal, day-to-day interaction with his company; there were moments when he seemed to not know what was actually going on with his platform. I get the feeling, he may not be as indoctrinated as this young lady and has allowed his company to be taken over by the leftist activists and ‘thought police.’ I may completely wrong here, I’m not really familiar with Jack Dorsey other than his role at Twitter, he may be a super left-leaning individual and is just disinterested with the company. I can’t say I blame him, take the loot and let someone else deal with it; just make sure they aren’t brainwashed by identitarians who preach tolerance, truth, and morals from one side of their mouths, only to bigoted, dishonest, and amoral from the other side.
Why is Tim shaper than a
Professional lawyer and a social media creator lol
Damn Tim brought it today..
2:40
Twitter exec: those cases are completely different.
Rogan: can you elaborate? I'm not sure what you guys are referring to.
Twitter exec: I'm actually not sure.
Me:🤭🤭🤢🤮
This might be one of the most frustrating podcasts I've ever listened to. Still. It was difficult to get through....they just did that repeatedly and persisted with baseless assertions
Honestly I had never heard of Tim pool before this and I kind of love him now
He's pretty good. Covers many things very well
He's good, I don't agree with many of his personal, political viewpoints, but his analysis is usually pretty good.
Gene Jeffries Whatever who cares? Why even mention that?
@@ergoth154 apparently you do since you, bothered to comment about it.
Follow him on TH-cam. I dont agree with him alot, but he is a trustworthy dude. He makes about 3 vids a day and i watch them all.
5:25 to 6:12 absolute gold man. Tim unraveled and dumbed it down, and the little rat lawyer’s face afterwards says it all. She had no words except to smile defeatedly
Tim seems to be objective by nature. That is what I like about him.
Not at all. She put him in the corner.
He was a social liberal he supported Bernie Sanders in 16. But as with everyone he woke up and saw liberalism as the disease it is. He was part of occupy Wallstreet and before you say conservatives were also involved here are the numbers.Fordham University political science professor identified the protester's political affiliations as 25% Democratic, 2% Republican, 11% Socialist, 11% Green Party, 0% Tea Party, and 12% "Other"; meanwhile, 39% of the respondents said they did not identify with any political party.[96] Ideologically the Fordham survey found 39% self-identifying as extremely liberal, 33% as Liberal, 8% as slightly liberal, 15% as moderate/"middle of the road", 2% as slightly conservative, 3% as conservative, and 1% as extremely conservative.[97]
White Lives Matter Didn't even know that. More praise to him for waking up
I have a feeling they didn't know Tim would be so sharp and ask questions like this. I had no idea he was this good because I've never really seen him debate like this. This really puts a spin on things a lot of people have never considered. This has to be my favorite question.
They certainly had the 'deer caught in the headlights' look for a good portion.
Tim Pool is like a less obnoxious Ben Shapiro. Brilliant debater who absolutely owns Gadde and Dorsey. Extremely sharp mind.
Ben Shapiro, sucks at debating. Unless talking fast is your way of debating.
@@charlesledbetter907 I've watch Ben crush many people in debates. You only think he sucks because you don't agree with him.
@@charlesledbetter907 yea that's bullshit lol he's the best debater out there
@@charlesledbetter907 Ben's never lost a debate.
Zackary Hancock Ben literally lost a debate to Sam Harris on religion. And Ben is by far not the best debater. If we’re talking about OWNING college students, that’s another discussion.
Most relevant clip in the history of podcast. It's got to be eye opening to the true liberal that are still in denial about the parties
Gotta love her Strawman arguments.
“So you’re saying we shouldn’t have ANY rules.”
Every rule is discriminatory against people who don't like the rule. A completely unbiased platform would have no rules. If that's what you want, maybe 4chan is for you (it's not rule-free but it's close).
She asked a question.
@@Ronni3no2 Yeah, that isn't what discriminatory means dumbfuck.
@@Ronni3no2 Tim clearly pointed out the hypocrisy and biases that has been shown by multiple investigations over the last couple years in regards to twitter and every other mainline social media platform. This women was doing nothing more then deflecting and ignoring that point at all times and you damn well know it.
@@EnhancedCognition > _that has been shown by multiple investigations_
My standards are usually higher than a bunch of anecdotes, specially when it comes to "issues" like this one, that _completely_ miss the point.
This lady is such an obvious smug lying lawyer type it makes me sick.
If you know people like this you know what happened when she got home. Screaming at her partner/family, trashing the house and drinking. She's probably never been owned and publicly humiliated this thoroughly her entire life!
She is an odious front hole.
Saul Good man.
Tim a social liberal fighting for conservatives, damn. Good on ya man. Libs still suck tho.
She is very smug. but I would shag for sure 10/10. just sayin man. don't hate the playa hate the game bars nigga. im out
This aged well for Tim.
Tim's skullcap is psychologically impenetrable like Magneto or The Juggernaut....
Well done dude...
You too Joe, ally well chosen...
Call it the modern-day Tim-foil cap!
@@JJFresh011 haha..
I wear an.invisible one apparently..
Tinfoil lined so he doesn't get brainwashed
REally cause it seems to me that Tim Pool basically said the same talking points over and over w/ a different name/user to change it up.
Joe goes any which way to get views only reason why he had Tim on was because of the last interview with twitter.
"I think this rule goes to far" - Tim
"So we shouldn't have rules?" - idiot
wtf...
"So what you're saying is..."
That t rain of logic is how Leftists debate. You can point out specific instances of Leftists being racist but the defense is always "so we shouldn't fight racism?".
It comes from a very ignorant and very unintelligent point of thinking.
It literally kinda hints off the bat that that person is no a good.. debater let's say.
It's the same as "God exists because the bible does". Its so dumb and annoying lol
@@ns0557212 It is very purposeful. Trust me, they aren't dumb CEOs. Spend an entire childhood getting away with lying and you will grow up to be a habitual liar that not only lies to others, but also to yourself.
They are well trained in manipulation as well as manipulating the train of thought of the audience that will probably think, "Wow. No rules would be chaos!" without even realizing that Tim didn't say that.
@@degen83 Hey, people on the right think government is the solution. Every single time, the government grabs as much power as fast as it can and destroys/severely constricts it's own citizen-slaves. I don't care if it's George Washington himself at the helm. Declare war on England for a tea tax only to impose higher taxes less than a few decades later? Lmao. Statism is a joke.
this was a legendary interview. Rewatch in 2020!!
The level of duplicity this woman exudes is staggering.
"We understand you point" (We just don't care)
Karl Behn why should they. It’s a private company and our government
TBF he has critical valid points but offers zero solutions...
@@D-One I appreciate the fact that she stated that lawmakers were on their side with regards to the targeted hate speech when he claimed that by not expanding their "free speech" to be in line with the constitution, that somehow they would be more inclined to regulate. No Tim, cyber bullying is something our lawmakers have an interest in curbing, not expanding.
WE need a final solution to the conservive question
tim pool is aright wing shill
Those two are so shady
And were nailed multiple times in this interview
@Little Foot be careful
We might get black listed ha ha
Funny how right wing people talk with confidence and without stuttering much.
Almost like they follow logic and have set ideas that can be expressed.
Virgin Ivy League lawyer vs Chad high school dropout
Damn
she hot doe
Dropouts are ALWAYS the smarter ones. Ivy League doesn't mean squat in the real world
@@GeoJesse No she is not
@@GeoJesse perhaps to some but certainly not to everyone. Also, not sure why that matters 🤔
Lawyers like this woman are why people hate lawyers.
This lady is just the perfect example of "we know what's better for you then you".
*than
thun*
@@secretskeleton7744 you have heard of autocorrect on phones right? The whole correcting small typos in a comment is very overplayed and shows someone who has MAYBE just a tad bit of narcissism. Especially without making a point to go with it. 😀
Not really she said multiple times throuhgout this podcast (even within the first 20mins) how she understands what he's saying and agree's with him.
She loves 'the game'.
Tim was clear and the woman just rephrased the message to something else. Like he wants no rules. That’s not what he said...twitters hypocrisy double standards.
She's a lawyer. That's what lawyers do.
The 1st amendment doesnt apply to private businesses moron.
@@TalonX_X Then Twitter should rebrand themselves so that people don't get the wrong idea. I suggest "Twitter: Thoughtcrime Un-good" it's a snappy slogan, and effective for the cyberpunk distopia you're encouraging!
that LITERALLY IS WHAT HE SAID! He said it OVER AND OVER. The only rule I heard him say he was in favor of is threatening to murder. If anyone really thinks thats a good fucking idea, to allow harassment to any degree, unfettered, they're fucking stupid..
@@ThatOneGuy0006 Twitter should modify its Terms of Service to remind users: "(1) Twitter is not part of the US government and it therefore not bound by the Constitution's free speech tenants; (2) If you don't like it, you're free to become an entrepreneur and make something better than Twitter that works differently. God bless America; (3) if you are too much of an asshole too much of the time you will be suspended or banned. Duh.
Get unmmmmmm!!! They were literally just trying to survive the interview. Lol. Great job Tim Pool!
no they weren't, they were literally trying to understand wtf this crazy dude was talking about. He made so many nonsensical points it was hard to keep up! He made multiple points that he, himself, later invalidated. You probably just listened to HIM talk and then started celebrating like a fucking spectator instead of analyzing the God damn conversation and thinking about it objectively.
@@xordusTriggered! 😂. Nice of you to take the time out of your day to stuff ten pounds of shit into a five pound sack, as if anybody gives a fuck about you or your opinion. Hope you feel better now sweetheart! 🤦♂️🤷♂️👌😂
@@xordus The issue with you is that you surround yourself with stupid people. When guys like Tim Pool come out to speak, your mind can't comprehend the intellect.
@@xordus Any examples? I don't know who this guy is, but I understood perfectly the logical argument he was making. I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion, but what about anything he said invalidated his previous argument? It seemed pretty cohesive to me.
Tim’s a guy that talked and complained for hours without offering a single solution. He proved why high IQ people are so turned-off by his type.
Tim Pool was not the right person to outride this interview. Twitter brass came to sit down and talk for almost 4 hours and we got a wasted opportunity. We needed someone informed, prepared and ready to trade solutions with these [powerful] people.
Instead we got arrogance and anecdotal examples that went in circles. I learned from an important person in my life to never trust people that set up straw-men and _gotcha_ questions, because those people have no interest in adding value. Tim Pool managed to play cat and mouse for hours achieving nothing more than a pyrrhic victory.
The interview was an embarrassment and to that end, Joe Rogan did nothing to help.
Reading your comment shows how little understanding of social sub-text you have. Are you a bullshitter too or do you have a solution to Twitter’s nuanced problems?
Elon Musk: hold my beer
They are a privately owned company that voluntarily decided to use special government protections under the Communications and Decency Act Sect. 230 Exemption clause; which states that they must provide an unbiased, free and open platform to all. Under those conditions they are protected from lawsuits that can be incurred from what people say on the platform.
If they decide to deny these protections and become what is known as a publisher then they are legally liable for anything anyone says on their platform.