To Tim's point that people are raised not knowing where things come from: Early on in the Oprah years (mid- to late-eighties, I think), Ms. Winfrey had some farmers on the show discussing how tough it was to be farmers and the damage being done by government regulation and big agribusiness firms to the family and small farmers of this country. The farmers were characterized as the villains in the scenario. At the point where it was opened up for audience questions, after the farmers had been thoroughly demonized by other guests, one audience member asked the question, "Why do we need farmers?" One farmer replied, "Where are you going to get the vegetables and meat that you enjoy each day?" The audience member, a 30-something female, replied, "I'll just go to the grocery store and get it like I always do!" So the phenomenon of people not knowing is not new.
That example right there is why my cousin, a former infantryman and PTSD advocate, refused to go on her show in 2009. He said he didnt trust her and how she would present him or the disorder.
Hell, up until only a few years ago it was also: "Why do we need farmers?" "Because our most important export by far is grain. That is how we keep the US dollar as strong as it is. Other countries need us to survive."
@@sub-harmonik Don't forget that he goes around praising communist countries, introduced legislation for worker-owned businesses, pushes for equity instead of equality, and can't actually come up with a way to pay for any of his plans that doesn't involve eating the rich. If he's not a socialist, then he's just incompetent.
Bernie may call himself Socialist, but I care more about POLICY. Bernie's policies WERE Social Democratic not Democratic Socialism. America is stupid as fuck for not nominating him as the so-called "progressive party's" nominee. Instead we have a flakier version of Trump in Biden - who confuses his own wife with his sister! Sound familiar? Final thought: Both parties are regressive shitshows.
@@feeziwigfloyd7517 poor people richer, stable lifes, no third party mafia thugs like health insurance, country is stable and does not go through boom bust cycles, corporations pay taxes not 0% like amazon, everybody is happy.. look at canada, scandinavia, richest EU countries and then think about facts not retards on FOX and CNN
There was a guy in a reverse Q&A I saw from Portland University who made one of the best points I've ever heard. He mentioned how he visited Nepal, and they had no concept of social justice because they were more concerned about whether they were gonna eat that day. But when he came back to America, realized: "Social justice is a privileged concept for privileged people. To be able to think of everyone, and think that somehow you can solve everyone else's problems because you don't have any of your own."
@Maple_Hobbit That's essentially saying that if you're poor, you don't have human rights to worry about--since that's exactly what social justice issues are--issues in which people's basic rights are being threatened. And that, of course, is ridiculous. Simply because you're poor, that doesn't mean you don't have rights that can be threatened and taken away, it simply means that it's harder for you to speak out because you're having to focus on your basic survival on a daily basis. In fact, some of the poorest countries in the world have some the worst social justice issues, because they don't have the financial means with which to fight back, thus making it easier for their government to suppress their rights. Nations throughout Latin America, Africa, and Asia are perfect examples of this. Take a look at the governments of El Salvador, Nigeria, and North Korea (to name just three of multiple examples) and you'll see nations in which governments torture, jail, and disappear people (make them vanish). In all of them, the people are extremely poor, and the atrocities committed against them continue because they don't have the means with which to fight back. It's easy for that person to say that poor nations don't have social justice issues when they're not the ones living there. Try living there, however, under the rule of those governments, and it's an entirely different story. Simply because he didn't see the issues, that doesn't mean they don't exist.
Tao Tao You misinterpret. He’s saying you can only turn focus towards things like social justice when other larger problems have been solved, like mass poverty, famine, etc. Capitalist countries have those issues solved. So now we turn our attention to the next set of problems and so on.
Isn't that how we all feel? Socialism sounds good, I just think it would be terrible compared to capitalism once implemented. Now capitalism with a UBI? That's a totally different story. Teaching people to be successful in a capitalist system would be awesome.
@@calmexit6483 if we had real capitalism in would agree. We have unfettered capitalism that is impossible to win in unless you start on 3rd base. Just look at our president.
dark ray it’s really not that hard to succeed in our system, acquire a skill that makes you hard to replace, you’ll be fine. Or become so elite at a field that is heavily crowded, so you stick out
@@tyronehoard Jeff Bezos's father, adoptive father who raised him from childhood, was a cuban refugee who came to the US as a teen who couldn't even speak a lick of english. He became an oil engineer, gave Jeff Bezos a middle class life, and was among the first to invest in Amazon when it was a small business. Who's richer Trump or Jeff Bezos? Not even a question
Tell that to Wall Street, which manufactures wealth out of nothing. It's a faux economy, but it drives the US neoliberal system as we outsource factories, stocks soar.
@BeerGrills They create bubbles that do not reflect actual value, but rather they've learned how to artificially inflate wealth and speculation to make a quick buck. Whoever is left holding the bag when it pops is ruined. You're dishonest if you don't admit that outsourcing jobs is the real economy, which involves making things rather than invisible speculation and investment in nebulous concepts. That's why the corporate media measures economic health based on Wall Street stock values, because what they really care about is the health of stocks for the rich, not main street.
@Curtis Beardsley Yes, indeed, and the statistics bear this out.. The middle class is shrinking and income inequality growing annually. The Cares Act was the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history. Trump is a symptom of this disenchantment with the failed American experiment.
NinjaKing. nah he’s just doesn’t like to talk fast cuz it’s harder to understand. the millions listening to his podcast daily actually want to understand the things being said, talking slower does that very effectively
Bragging about myself, concerning this video. I am 68 years old. in 5 minutes ,after your video ends , I am going to a local Park to play guitar for free, Because covid restrictions have dried up all my gigs. I do not see my fellow guitarists out busking while I am out there. This is my 6th year trying to be a professional musician. So, I am the low cost provider in an very thin field of old musicians. Shit will happen...... Thanks for doing what you do.
Needed to see this, trying to make videos about current events or ideas and i get bogged down and discouraged in not being "perfect". Think im going to go bear bones and just talk.
While i can agree that they are important, they are not the backbone. to play devils advocate here, what about the diesel mechanics? The manufacture's who make the goods you ship, the farmers who produce food. The list goes on and truthfully the vast majority of skilled labor is just as important as the next. It takes all of us doing our part.
@@dariyoon There will more than likely still be a human on board for multiple reasons, instead of driving, they serve a different purpose. security, problem solving, cargo Verification, etc.... you would be surprised how many issues arise from the shipping manifest (BOL). There is still a conductor on train for christ sake.
Yeah all workers play a part but that doesn't mean truck drivers aren't the backbone. Let's say we cancel corn, we would be fine. Coffee, sports, luxury cars, etc. Pretty specific, niche like things that all have an impact but we can survive that pretty easily. Water, power, internet and truck drivers. You lose any of those and you're looking at another great depression at best.
@@CarlosHernandez-zf8vm while the percentage among white people is less than among black. But there are many more white people. So in total, you will get more white people favoring socialism. Not per capita, just in general.
@@ВалераБойко-н5л is that supposed to be an argument? There's more white people of pretty much everything in a country where there's more white people in general. The data that matters IS the per capita.
@@tyfeliz5202 Japan's like that. It's also socially dysfunctional and falling apart as a result under the mask the weaboos and other imbeciles blindly worship.
It also depends on how you measure “success”, if you love being a garbage man, and you work hard at it- that’s success. Don’t let society measure it for you. Big mistake.
Indeed as a culture we overvalue money, houses, cars, etc. I argue that internet and social media has destroyed community which was already on the decline because the school system destroys the family unit
the problem is that in order it live a happy life you need to make somewhat of a livable wage, which is i think around 70,000$’s, but ppl on average are making much lower than that. everyone should have the ability to make a livable wage no matter what they love doing
@@nothinginhiding IDEALLY we all should be able to do what ever we want (within reason) and make a living wage. It's been that way in the US for a while, but if we keep allowing the Marxists to shrink the middle class, that is going to be the case less and less often. the goal of socialism / communism is to make EVERYBODY so poor and desperate that you do whatever they tell you because you just want to eat. I remember hearing about in the 80s in the USSR that the government would choose your job for you, more or less. If communism ever takes over the US the only people with any choices will be those in the government / have government connections.
According to Nietzsche, masters are creators of morality; slaves respond to master morality with their slave morality. Slave morality is based on devaluing that which the master values and the slave does not have.
Tbf, the only thing worse than a rich capitalist, is a poor one. Like when I'm lectured on the negatives of basic healthcare by some poor-ass American who couldn't even afford to pull a rotten tooth, but preaches whatever right-wing economists say.
I somehow managed to move out of the ghetto to getting my nursing license and degrees amd working 50-60 hour weeks while living cheaply. It took me 5 years out of college but I did it. I also worked on my career and attained medical related jobs and make 3 times as much as did starting out in my career.
it's interesting how some people will find a way to better there situation come hell or high water, and how some people will fuck up every opportunity they're given. at the end of the day you either make it out or you don't. my situation mirrors what you describe, at no point was it anyone else's responsibility but my own to make my life better.
@@anthologyofinterest1 Yeah but the point that people try to get across is that not everyone gets equal opportunities. I just been coasting in school enjoying life my whole life because my parents have 2 properties in the millions. I make alot of money on the side of being a student by buying and selling shoes, stock trading etc. through 0% interest loans from my parents. So is it not slightly unfair for "the good life" to just be handed to me on a platter?
Ok, good job? All you in here and Joe and Tim are ALL misrepresenting the issue here. You shouldn't HAVE to slave away to carve out a comfortable living. It doesn't fucking matter all this shit about "well there are people here in poverty living better than a lot of the world", it's about the INSANE CONCENTRATION OF WEALTH AT THE TOP in THIS country compared to how we tread our poorest. The PEOPLE worked to create this nation of wealth yet the shit's been rigged to constantly funnel more and more of it up to fewer and fewer richer and richer people dude. You're looking at everything the way the ones up top WANT you to look at it instead of looking at it for what it really is.
Was about to say some socialist would still find a way to advocate for socialism but I see@@michaelhaydenbell already did it. Socialism’s killed more than nazism and it’s bankrupted at least 10 economies in history. It’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. The rich shitstains who weasel around the law and fuck you without Vaseline won’t lose their social status or wealth. They will accrue more power. The only difference is we’ll all be equally poor on governemebt programs with no other options. Please take a look a communist China. If that is appealing to you I will personally buy your plane ticket.
No wonder all the flourishing European countries are doing so badly with their free education/healthcare and longer lifespans and higher educational test scores etc etc
@@rudeboyjim2684 They applied it awhile ago, when they aren't as diverse agreeing in getting taxed high equally. USA is a different beast, we're talking about a really diverse country that constantly welcomes people from other country who come to the US with their own - for the most part- weak currency that has to be adjusted to the US currency. And US Capitalism brought a lot of competition that made a lot of patents, inventions and innovations possible in all fields from science, medicine, and other breakthroughs. This website you're watching your video in is a product of capitalism. The USA has made a lot of sacrifices in itself to push progress, mostly driven by capitalism. That ever so ubiquitous Tesla cars in Norway? Made and patented in the US. If you wanna get taxed 40%, get out of the US and stay there, and wait and benefit for the breakthroughs done by the capitalist behemoth.
Raja Ronaldo the argument doesn’t work for SO many reasons. 1) I’ll take 60,000 less health-care related deaths, WAY lower rates of depression, better education and all the things that are meaningful in life to more Teslas etc. 2) all of those countries have capitalistic economies, but they understand that unfettered capitalism leads to the 2008 banking crisis, (Iceland deregulated their banks in 2008 also, and they bankrupted themselves). You don’t need libertarianism to stimulate invention. In fact, think of all the people who are busy slogging away at a 9-5 and don’t have the resources to go to school, invest, or innovate because they lack necessary capital. America could be way better-but our middle class is disappearing. 3) under FDR we had up to a 90% top marginal tax rate in the golden age of American dominance. Now we are losing out to China because we have a beefed up financial industry but don’t actually make that many THINGS, just loans and bonds and stocks and mortgage backed securities etc. when other countries call our bluff, the economy is going to crash.
@Sports and Gaming I doubt its an interview tactic. I love Joe but he just has no ideology and is ignorant. He lacks a framework for understanding things so he will generally agree with anything that can't be debunked with general common sense.
Joe's political opinions don't change with whoever he has on the show that day. He simply plays devil's advocate in each interview. It's an interviewing technique that causes the person being interviewed to open up more with their opinions and allows them to explain WHY they believe what they believe. When the interviewer portrays agreement with the interviewee, it's an interview. When the interviewer argues the entire time with the interviewee, it's a debate.
Without getting too deep into it "success" does not mean the same thing to everyone, and shouldn't. If someone defines it as becoming a billionaire then 99.9% could realistically never achieve it. I can live a pretty happy "simple" life in general without being "rich". Adjusting one's target for success is something to consider.
that's a very good point and the same line of thinking separates leftist economics and politics from right economics and politics. if there were a company making billions a year in revenue that alone is seen as a success, regardless of how little the workers for that same company get paid or the quality of those workers' lives. or the aim of the government and how the right simply cares about numbers on paper like GDP, debt and the deficit (they only care when they aren't in office), yet those hardly tell the story of the citizens' lives. if a country has a high GDP and low deficit, this is seen as a success regardless if 50% of that same country's citizens live in poverty. same goes for foreign countries leadership, as there are a number of times where a country has a military dictator as its leader supported by the US and western profit-driven media says this country is successful regardless of how many people that US supported dictator has killed or what they do to their people. such as Cuba where Castro was terrible and violent, yet many in the US and western media were not nearly as hostile towards Cuba when they were led by Fulgencio Batista who killed more people than Castro but he was supported by the US so no one says anything about it. and many Democrats who are centrist and center-right have the same view on what "success" looks like regardless of the lives of the average people
Every person I know who lived under socalism loves capitalism. Every person I know who benefitted from capitalism who supports socalism lives in a bubble of comfort and privilege.
But we currently have socialism for the rich. They aren't talking about that. Bailouts are socialism for corporations. In a capitalist system, companies who don't save and now are going bankrupt see tossed aside. If you don't make it then you don't make it. But when you bail them out with taxpayer money, it's called socialism.... For the rich!
James Poindexter III We already live in a socialist society... it’s called crony capitalism. You have to have nothing or everything to benefit from it i.e. government subsidies, the “viral” corporate bailouts, medicaid. The middle class get the short end of the stick.
Bailouts arent socialism , you uneducated moron. Sure they are bad, but the government isnt building a police state for corporations, taking corporate private property, or silencing those who oppose bailouts. That would be socialism.
@@billping6712 Jesus, you are all so stupid. Maybe we are similar to Fabian socialism, but we are nothing like a socialist state. Socialism is the abolition of private property, the authoritarian suppression of dissent, and the planning of economy leading up to communism . Okay, maybe we are headed there.
@Ginger Ginger dirty capitalism requires slaves when people are driven by profit. The great thing about dirty capitalism is it can exist at the same time as clean capitalism. Do you think you have no other options besides the big corporations?
@Ginger Ginger if you think paying taxes and having roads, military, schooling is socialist, then you have a very twisted view. That is the role of government, but the role of government isn't to control everything
Yeah, my goal is to eat sushi all the time. To do that I need money cause it’s expensive (15$ for sushi buffet). To gain money I need to work hard and save all my revenue to invest more and more. Until I have dividends that pay my monthly expenses and sushi 👍
I equate success with happiness. What good is money if you don't have the people you love around you? I'd rather live under a bridge with my wife than be rich without her.
ffs I really want people who use the word socialism in any argument for or against it to define it every time they use it in the context they're using it. It feels like socialism means ice to one person and steam to another.
He's over thinking that last bit. If the government tells you to stay home and not go to work so you cant make any money, then the government has to make you whole. It's not a long term thing, but it is long enough to ruin a hell of a lot of people and businesses if they don't get support. Bringing ideology into it isn't helpful.
Here, in Ireland, we've a rather helpful set of support packages set up. All the freezes and supports he just mentioned and said were impossible! We're not a massive country with trillions to burn either! We've a centre right govt!!! Everyone, even opposing politicians have come together as much as all of us here on the front line. If America sorted its foreign policy it'd have a serious yearly surplus!
@Bif Webster Yep. My step moms daycare/kindergarten in New Jersey that has been open for over 40 years got declined for support. State mandated closure yet no support.
@@marshallkobe I'm disgusted with this country. Really am. How this is possible is just then spitting in our face now. At the same time it angers me just as much that her and my dad will most likely vote for someone that has only enabled this.
Especially they don’t succeed when during situations like corona virus the top 1% get $5 trillion in bailout money and the rest of the country gets $1200 for 3 months which not even UBI - it’s tax credit which means it’s your own money. Not even everybody. Companies like Boeing whose planes are falling from the sky and who instead of spending the money from Trump tax cuts on their workers or on R&D wasted all their money on share buy back now crawl back to suck the government tit and they got a bail out. But regular people, sorry you get peanuts. All these insurance companies get a bailout from government during corona. Huh? Why? It’s it supposed to be capitalism and they they should go belly up because free market and sh#t? Yes, it’s socialism for the rich and capitalism for everyone else. Instead of letting insurance companies going bankrupt and giving everybody healthcare like in every f#cking developed country Democrats and GOP voted to save the health insurance companies. I am sure it’s because everybody else is lazy. Half of small business will go bankrupt and huge corporations will gobble them up because half of small business owners are lazy according to your brilliant logic.
@@metalmk6839 Gee, thanks that explains everything. What can I do without a genius like you? This is why the US is getting 2nd waive of covid. Germany has 4% unemployment becasue they nationalized payroll which is socialism and the US gave the richest 1% and corporations $5 trillion and everybody else can FO. George Floyd pretests are just a tip of an iceberg, wait till homeowners will lose their homes and renters become evicted becasue they don't have any money because the employment is at least 20% in the US. And it will happen in red states and in blue states, so you will have a situation where millions of people will have no jobs, no money, no healthcare and nothing to lose.
@@metalmk6839 Tim Pool is a f#cking moron. Jimmy Dore had an interview with him where he tried to explain to him single payer/medicare for all and he doesn't understand it. The guy who never takes off his condom hat from his dumb head looks super trustworthy. LOL!
Dude he said it! This was life changing for me. "Every second you put into something is every second you're getting better at it. If you come home and play video games everyday, you're gonna get REALLY good at video games, man." Awesome.
Haha he's right to a point. I spent years playing a multitude of genres of games but mostly fps. I log on to counterstrike and most people I meet on there are better somehow.
Have you seed soviet music? It was the fucking bomb. Art? Have you seen soviet avant-garde? Maleevich, Kandinsky Tatlin? Not to mention that people weren't unhappy. In fact today most people who lived under socialism want back. From east Germany and Kazakhstan to Russia and Czechia.
You know who else produced bad music? Frank Zappa. Sure he has some good material, but he also released a truly unprecedented amount of unlistenable garbage.
The hard part is finding something you want to do and earn money doing it rather then doing something you don’t want to do for a living, after years of college for business I switch to nursing and am loving it
Mark Pratt thanks! I was 20, just realized I wasn’t interested in business/ desk job, and got lucky enough to find something that i generally enjoy. But there were people of all ahead in my classes so it’s never to late to look into nursing school if you were interested
caleb scott The transitioning out program of the Army, ACAP, told us about this. I forget the number but something like 60-80% of Americans work a job that they don’t like and are unhappy with, but stay for the pay/benefits. They strongly encouraged us to pursue careers that made us happy. I do heating and cooling now, and yeah work can suck and I’m not making six figures, but I love working with my hands and putting something together every day.
@@ayandas874 That makes no sense. We already give the gov't our tax dollars..The problem is they use that money to keep the rich, richer and the poor, poorer.
Sebastian Flores of course they do it. But you are deluding yourself if you think that "if only the right group of people had that power, they would do good." They can't, and they wont, because power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. People seeking to add their own power for your good are fooling you.
Why waste the time and money for something frivolous as this when he can just spend 2 seconds to put on a beanie. Tim is smarter to use his money to invest on goals that matter to him.
@@riopato2009 exactly, because wearing a beanie all the time is just wonderful! especially in the summer heat and it looks so much better then his head. God forbid we see his head!😲😲😲😨😨😭
Someone just brought "Tytler's cycle" to my attention. Basically the idea that culture is in constant flux between scarcity and abundance, and people raised in abundance don't understand how to strive and become complacent... whereas people born in scarcity have to struggle to survive and learn to be self sufficient... I always kinda new this but never knew the phenomena had a name.
It's a pretty silly concept and often people cherry pick a GREAT deal to justify their personal biases. Plenty of Boomers seem to think they are the strivers that built a great society, ignoring the fact they benefited from a great many systems they now label "socialism" I'd point out as a counterpoint that pretty much every person who has contributed to human advancement has done so from a place of "abundance" Basically, poor people don't have time to invest in thinking or invention because they're struggling to survive. Examine through history who has invented more things, created more art, or advanced our understanding most. You won't find many peasants. The peasants you DO find will have been fortunate enough to benefit from patronage from the rich. In the last 100-300 years opportunities have certainly opened up (industrialism taught the elite that they can exploit the intelligence of the serfs and it has worked out rather well for them, despite antipathy to "social programs" that enable this) but I genuinely think my point still stands. If the world worked according to the principle you described there would be FAR less inherited wealth, it would be the exception, not the rule. The fact that fortunes ARE lost is not compelling evidence, because that pattern tends to be one of indolence, decadence, or incompetence. Not "complacency" We would instead see the rise and fall of nations on a generational basis. We'd see all of the best innovation from the poorest nations. What we wouldn't see is time after time the nations with the best scientists being those that invest most heavily in educating (there's a reason the US nicked all of the top Nazi and Soviet scientists)
@@DmGray Thats quite the dissertation you wrote their. I think the fundamental point is that society is not as rigid as some would like to believe, every peasant is descended from a king and every king is descended from a peasant. I do agree with you that up until the industrial revolution the majority of the population were required to work as unfree agricultural labor, serfs or slaves, in order to ward off famine and create the surplus for the military class and bourgeois... thats what I think is missing from the revisionist history perspective; most of the "oppression" you see historically was necessary and its wrong to project modern values back on them. And yes the people at the top have a responsibility to reinvest in the workers and leaders of tommorow. Corruption is part and parcel of complacency.
It is sad that when ppl are asked what they would you do with their life if money was no object...they have no idea...society dosent teach you about yourself, only how to be a compliant cog in the systemic wheel. No one knows who they are anymore, they just know what society demands of them..
Absolutely!! It's not education, it's indoctrination. People are commodities in a completely free market. That in itself should be enough to make some changes to a faulty system, but no! Common sense isn't common, nor is it a gift any more🤷♂️
@El Lobo bro literally any distribution of wealth through taxation ex/ the police is an example of socialism. Karl marx was not a proponent of authoritarianism communism like USSR, Lenin wasn't a Marxist nor Stalin, you've been fed propaganda
@El Lobowell imagine your in a scenario where The only Jobs available to you are minimum wage, and you barely earn enough to pay rent and feed your self. You aren't gaining anything, your essentially a slave. Should the corporation be 'free' make money off your hard work just because they inherited wealth and you didn't? Now you might say that an individual is free to leave said job and pursue an education, but that education costs hundreds of thousands of dollars they dont have, with interest, that they're lucky to have paid off before they die. Now all there excess cash goes to paying off there loan, still a slave to an institution. Imagine they have healthcare costs, a family to feed on top of it. Someone with a rich daddy (who inherited there wealth) had there education paid for, and had a high paying job just waiting for them, is that equal opportunity? The system I'm a proponent would, limit CEOs to making a maximum of 10xavg employee (walmart ceo makes 1000x), gives employees shares in the company and a voice in the decision making in the company. I am an economics major and I'd be happy to send you some resources if your interested in learning more about the policies I advocate for
@El Lobo yes socialism is a terrible ideology, but don't go thinking that the bible isn't anything but a bunch of fairy tales written by ignorant sand dwellers
Some guys have an easier time than me. Mostly because they’re smarter and work harder than me. I can live with that. Those that can’t accept that are insane.
But that isn't what any logical people are arguing, in fact the majority of people in favor of socialized healthcare, and more government involvement in social securities etc. are against pure socialism. Some people see the benefits of a hybrid system in other western countries, and are interested in the idea. Your comment is true in some cases, and obviously dedication and motivation is one of the driving factors of success, but the other driver of success is capital/access to capital. My parents purchased their house for $800k, now it is worth $4mil, as well as inheriting a $5mil small scale rental apartment building. So no matter what I do in life, I can have financial security. I am the youngest of 3 kids, my 25 year old sister decided to quit her job to start a company (while living in a 60% off subsidized apartment in the most expensive city in my country), my brother decided to cash out and pursue a career in ski instructing, and I am taking sizeable 0% interest loans (as well as countless handouts from grandparents, gifts etc.), and I am clearing around $20k a year buying and selling shoes, consoles, stock trading, and other ventures. I have a close friend who has lived in a very small house with his single dad his whole life, they rent. Who here has the easier life?
@@andrewjensen8189 They mentioned this in the video too. Clearly some people are born in your position and that is a fact, but what is the solution to that? Your parents put in the hard work to acquire that wealth and now they have a foundation where their children can start higher up on the ladder than they themselves did and have a sort of safety net to keep them out of poverty even if they fail or do nothing (like many born into wealth do). So what is the solution? Do we punish people like your parents for building that foundation by taking a large amount of that money away to give to others?
@@quincy-2000 No, but my point is that the people who claim hard work is the only ingredient to success is just plain wrong. The most proven ingredient to success, is a successful family. And that it also my point, my parents worked, but not any harder than anyone else. They just took out a 400k mortgage, and go lucky with their assets going up 3 million. They were given handouts by their parents, and the cycle continues. It is stupid to ignore the opportunity discrepancies' between classes in the western world. Most wealth inequalities are not racial based, they are class based. It is just easier for the rich to blame race, as it takes more of the pressure of blame off of them.
I’d be incredibly surprised if any athlete playing any professional sport didn’t watch themselves. At least in hockey the teams rewatch games and the coaching staff use it to teach the players. Even when I was 13 years old we did it.
It would be impossible to know. Depends on circumstance, proper direction, upbringing, so on. I believe everyone has an aptitude for something but some never find out what that is.
@@15npaz u know I am 17 yea i grew up most of my life with my mother she was a junkie and my life sucked I had to leave when I was 12 she wasn't a suitable parent and moved in with my nana I started secondary school I rathered have less freinds and stay away from drugs then be arojnd popular kids and probably take drugs because i knew of its effects Most kids would of been like lets go fucking crazy and blamed the world for there problems And i would be a junkie if I stayed living with my mother In my opinion it comes down to the persons character that they built for them selves at a young age You need to show a child consequences for there actions, so they cant blame other people when they do wrong But im only 17 so what do I know 🤣🤣
@@shanemoran4145 I hear you man, I didn't come from much either, very absent family just like you, very troubled past. All I can say is keep going, life doesn't need to look perfect but just make it work, do what your good at, even if it doesn't make you a lot of money at first, don't let anyone tell you to get a cushy job you'll be miserable. I wish I had someone tell me that. It's kinda what I mean by the above quote, find what's right for you and go after it, life is short, especially when you've had a troubled past, do what makes you happy and what you're good at, don't settle, don't let others decide your direction in life
I appreciate that Joe flips his personality, stance, and world view depending on the guest. He has them on to get them to talk about what they REALLY believe internally, not just the face they give to the public. He's able to get to the heart of the guest and his questions are more for the person to clarify their position than for debate. He could be argumentative with what he really believes or push his own agenda, but then he would be combative, controversial, and we (the viewer) may not watch his podcasts because we would either agree or not, like most other MSM "journalists" do. Rogan isn't a journalist and thankfully so because he's still able to get his guests to show their colors without needing controversy to make headlines. And while I still don't agree with some of his guests positions, I appreciate the freedom to express their position to truly understand what they stand for, and not taking a bias journalists position on the individual.
ECP 03 yes, I appreciate that analysis. I have heard him say intelligent things and unintelligent things. But some of it is just trying to get the guest to relax and open up. But I have also heard him question some people’s subjective statements. Thanks!
Just so you know Tim is a complete socialist but PRETENDS to be a moderate but his OWN audience is conservative and he understands the position of conservatives but still talks about voting for tulsi or yang.
@@stevend481 I don't think it's about agreeing. What I think is misunderstood about Joe Rogan is that he wants to understand the argument and point of view of the guest (whoever it may be). So when if a guest does make a good argument/case for their ideology or belief, I interpret he "agrees" as his way of acknowledging that he "understands". And when he doesn't, or if he still doesn't see their "angle" on things, he questions or counters with his own examples to try to get them to flush their argument. He did so with Rep. Crenshaw in a recent episode. Joe Rogan asking questions is a way for his guests to clarify their position, without judging them for holding that position. So, in essence, he is more neutral than other "hosts" or "journalists" in the field. Joe Rogan hasn't hidden that he holds Liberal beliefs (I don't know how far etc), but I've never gotten the feeling from watching him interact with guests with very opposing viewpoints that he was judging them. Which is why he can have such a wide variety of guests on his show. Peterson, Sanders, Shapiro, Ventura, military, professors, the Twitter lady, and I think one paleontologist (?). His kind of "open dialogue" is one reason why I watch whoever decides to come on, because each person gets a similar and (imho) fair treatment. I can't say the same for any MMS, left or right. You can always "hear" the politics in the way they ask their questions, depending on what the topic is and who the guests are.
Loved his point about the blessings and importance of struggle, and how it builds good character... he put it a different way, that there “is a benefit from being dealt a shitty hand of cards” in typical Joe Rogan fashion! ♥️♥️♥️
@@dowdallerno1 yep. Being rich doesn't guarentee an easy life. Rich kids who never see their parents go on to live a drug infested dystfunctional life that hurts everybody around them and posions their family tree downstream. Money isn't everything.
Wow, this quote is why people are easy targets for fake news. He literally said "I don't take days off ever, but I took off yesterday, had some bad sushi..." meaning he got sick from bad sushi and wasn't feeling well. Google the meaning for the word "CONTEXT".
@@CheesyChez421 Joe had Tim on twice. The first time he helped Joe understand the problems and implications of social media. The second time Joe had Tim on was to ask the questions he didn't ask when he had Jack Dorsey on his show because Joe got a lot of criticism why that interview failed miserably. Before then, Joe was supposed to have Tim on years ago after Tim did multiple on-the-ground reporting on Occupied Wall Street but Joe kept cancelling on Tim 3 separate times in a span of 3 years. The reason Joe keeps having Tim on is because Tim is a credible and trusted independent journalist who isn't afraid to back down or isn't beholden to corporate media. This fence riding joke has more integrity as a journalist than any TH-cam commenter will ever have which is why Joe respects Tim to have him on his show as much as possible. Tim literally saved Joe's ass from his own fan base even after Joe blew him off multiple times before the whole Twitter shitstorm interview with Jack Dorsey.
I’d love to see a compilation of all the times he’s said that, cause I already count 2 times - this sushi time he speaks of in this episode and the day after the election cause he was exhausted. Just clarifying, I think it’s fantastic he takes days off, but he always prefaces that with “I never take days off”
they are Americans. assertive, arrogant, fed with anti-socialist propaganda sins they where born... and about to learn a lesson in why work unions, social health care for all is a good thing. but my oh my will a lot of life's go away before they actually get their fucking head out of their asses and just maybe just maaaaybe admit that we in Europe have done it far better in general and should copy from us.
@@ACircadianRhythm Yeah great benefits like free gulags and state provided 'suicides' lmao. Name one time socialism has worked before. You might say "it hasn't been tried correctly" or "if only there were a different all powerful dictator it would be different" but no, that's no how it works. Failure is fundamental in a system where the government forces equal outcome.
@@coopergoss350 ha thats mere propaganda against socialism, neither USSR or China have even tried to implement communism they just use the word to hide their autocracy. Many countries in Europe have done a fine job implementing socialism into their capitalist societies. But in the end it is a system you are right would never truly work unless everyone had faith in it. Because if it were to work there would be no governing body to take advantage of its people, the people would sort themselves out instead of having a class of rulers
One of the largest apartment builders in the USA was not born into it, he started out selling sandwiches to fieldworkers from the back of his car. AG Spanos Company is the reward for his efforts.
@@sten260 So what? People need to stop romanticizing the 0.00001% of people that actually go from zero to hero. 90% of rich people had rich parents, not poor ones. Its sad because stories like this commenter's are what leads the back-breakingly poor people to become complacent in their waiting for the American dream to "pick them".
@@andrewjensen8189 you do realize those 0.00001% people made it possible for you to have all that shit in your house? There are very few people who can build wealth. The whole point of capitalism is to move resources and money to those few individuals. So they can turn their 100 million into 200 million. 99% of population can't do that. If you give a million dollars to a random bloke on street, he is going to spend it on himself. He doesn't hire people to build new shit for us. So nobody benefits from it. If the government tax rich and gives it to the "poor" that means they literally destroy wealth. If you do that hard enough those rich people are gonna take their capital and leave the country. Then you are stuck with a bunch of poor workers and no capital. So you get Venezuela. Use some common sense...
@@sten260 You must have misinterpreted what I meant. The 0.000001% of people I was talking about NEVER statistically speaking make it into the top 10% of the wealthiest 3%, and it is that 10% of the 3% that you are speaking of which "build new shit for us". And I could easily offer a sound argument as for why/how the wealth accumulation among the richest has become obscene, and they realistically could continue innovating at the same rate while living extremely comfortable lives with a fraction of their income/overall wealth, but that isn't relevant to my og comment. All I was pointing out is that it is sad that so many lower class people buy up the rhetoric of "all rich people worked hard to get where they are, so all I have to do is apply myself in life and I will become successful". That rhetoric is just a mental band-aid created by the rich to keep the working class hopeful and efficient, and they cling to it so strongly now because with the wealth gap trending in the wrong way they need to believe in something that will calm them down. The fact is, that aside from a small handful of overnight billionaires, the majority of the super-rich are made up of generational wealth that was built in previous centuries in times where plunder, slavery and other illegitimate business practices generated incredible wealth that could (and would go on to) support the guilty families indefinitely.
As long it's not made up and if these studies and research fall on fall on false conclusions, it's on those who don't believe it need to constantly challenge it based on studies and research that counter that conclusion. To simply just "use it" doesn't make it correct but takes on the assumption that it is correct. Diligence of pursuing the facts will always favor the debate over rhetoric or misuse of a fact finding theory that has no merit.
With how many researches done these days I wouldn't be surprised you can find a couple to support your idea. Although the integrity of publishers most of the time are questionable.
Yeah, just pulling dumb claims out of your ass when conversing with someone who won’t challenge it is a good idea for Tim. Beanie boy Tim simultaneously argues that socialists want to just strip the rich of their wealth and hate the rich yet also claims a majority of socialist ms are rich and white??? Yeah Che, Bolsheviks etc. the perfect picture of “the silver spoon” Tim is a hack, he can’t even actually discuss issues with socialism without making falsehoods or misunderstanding what socialism actually is.
Artistry Artistry one of the reasons Sam Seder owned him was that Pim Tool kept saying stuff like that and Sam would just say " Oh really? Lets look online right now for that research!" It didn't end well for Timmy
Hiruzen Sarutobi Nobody really understands what socialism is, except of course for the 20-28 year old white male urban hipster who feels bad for the blacks they just gentrified out of the city.
+Billy Not Really +FUCKSAND (I'm being genuine) pls both correct me if I'm wrong, but is that necessarily a sign of basic intelligence? Are we assuming by default someone's smart ONLY bc of their qualifications?
The Novice I take it more as a question of Tim’s critical thinking skills. I’ve watched many videos of his where he is talking about Bernie and he moves seamlessly into talking about SJWs, as if they are the same camp. He doesn’t even acknowledge that the SJW camp tried relentlessly to take down Bernie, and they succeeded. To him, left equals bad, regardless of their actual policy positions. And he wasn’t always like that. Again, poor critical thinking skills... although the same thing applies to Shapiro and he is a Harvard grad.
@@TheCommonS3Nse theres a critical thinking series by the commenter David pakman, where he explains logical fallacies, recorded yrs ago. I feel like watching that now, been trying to be more critical case by case instead of just dismissing a side as SJW or Something-is or phobe. Thanks for the input, you reminded me to go watch stuff like that 👍 ☺
"People who are socialists are all white." Ignores the Black Panthers, MLK, Malcom X, Boots Riley, Angela Davis, Kwame Ture, W.E.B. Dubois, Sandanistas, Cuban Revolution, Zapatista Movement, and on and on.....
@@admiralMcmufin Vietnam and China before they became capitalist. Thomas Sankara in Africa. Socialism is an anti imperialist doctrine. The majority of socialists have been nonwhite!!! You also have the teachings of Christ a Middle Eastern Jew. I can keep going...
@@justinboyd8383 you sure you want to back a guy who condoned ethical ownage of slaves? Render unto Ceasar? That sound socialist to you? What even is your non argument? socialism is an anti logic doctrine. And the vast majority of socialists in functioning non socialist societies are still overwhelmingly white. JUSTIN. lmao white Boyd.
@@SammyBooy2814 what are you, stupid? Socialists complain the rich have socialism but the poor can't, they also complain about the rich making way more money than everyone and having way too much private property due to capitalist endeavors...which is the antithesis of socialism. You're too fucking smug to realize you're the stupid one...buddy.
Honestly, when we don't have to talk about people being forced to sleep in tents under bridges and avoiding Healthcare at all costs because of bills, then we can talk. Sure, struggle builds character, but there's no reason we shouldn't be starting from a better base.
@@DTRU122283 "be thankful for pharmaceutical companies stealing your money, because you could be starving in Africa" only in America can this level of stupidity flourish
@@DTRU122283 What a moronic argument. The vast majority of the world has a better "base" than the vast majority of people who ever lived. Barring maybe the most isolated native tribes in the world, things like penicillin, basic antibiotics, basic education and shelter are available everywhere in the world.
@@bartholen You completely miss the point yet call the argument moronic... Funny.. Yes, if you live today you have a better base than anyone in the past. The comment was that if you live in the US you have a better base than most people period. Past or present. Congratulations, you live in the US which automatically puts you in the "upper class" globally. His argument is that we should have a better "base", yet does not acknowledge we have the best "base" ever.
"Perseverance is the most important thing" Totally, just go to South East Asia and watch the population at large do manual labour 12 hours a day 6 days a week until they die poor... They definitely persevere...
@tlessmo Plenty of places in Southeast Asia are capitalist democracies. The overwhelming majority of people in Southeast Asia do not have the opportunity to leave them countries. It is only rich people who immigrate from them countries into the United States. As they are already rich and quite likely well educated, then they are going to be very successful in this country.
That perseverance under a different setting, like in the West and they excel. He might not be correct about 3rd world countries but i dont think that was the focus of the chat...
@tlessmo Yeah, just immigrate! That's definitely not something that is hated by a massive chunk of the population of every first world country. The USA is always bringing in foreign farmers and laborers who demonstrate a can-do attitude!
No, thats just a moronic Canadian professor. Every socialist/commuist under the sun can tell you that it didn't work because of constant terrorism and economical and political sabotage US engaged in towards the socialist states. And any reasonable socialist/communist would tell you that it worked incredibly well driven the circumstances.
I grew up in a working class family and now I'm upper middle class. And I'm a socialist. Also not white. I don't understand these stereotyping politics that many Americans do.
All these people trying to define socialism from an ultra right wing perspective is amusing, any society by it's very nature has some form of socialism, an army is a socialist construct as is a fire brigade or police force... fancy privatising those next? "I'm sorry your insurance only covers rape and murder you have reported a burglary" any pure ideologically driven system is doomed to fail a mixed economy is the best thing, covering the essential things on a social (or socialist) level and privatising everything else.. where that line is drawn and what is defined as essential should be the point of the arguement
Y O J I M B O I’m a dude lol. And single. I do donate more than my fair share to the poor. Is it so hard to believe that there are people who would rather give a bigger portion of their paycheck for the greater good of everyone?
Obviously you didn't actually listen to the conversation in this video because if you did there was so many times that Joe didn't agree with Tim in just this clip alone.
I work at a Wendy’s right now. Before this I worked at McDonald’s. It took me a year to realize that it doesn’t matter who you are. If you can control your emotions and act professional any business will let you climb there ladder. But if you can be driven about literally anything at all, then you can accomplish anything you want. Any time that I ever wanted more from my job I got it by simply trying a little harder. My goal in life is to do what I enjoy for the rest of my life. Ive realized almost anything you can do from enjoyment can be done for money. Especially here in America and first world countries. I’m 19 and i know that instead of wasting time and money on college I can save my money and then buy the equipment I need to do the thing that I enjoy but for money. I want to do wood working and carpentry. I know that I can make money from making and selling things made from wood but the difference between this being a hobby that makes me some extra cash and an actual business is that I invest the money I make into making more products which in turn makes more money. And aside from just simply putting money into it if I become exceedingly good at it I could be making a lot of money from just one project. And on top of that I can do what you do with this TH-cam channel. And that is simply making a for of entertainment. But not only would I be entertaining people I would also be getting paid for it. A lot of people my age don’t understand that to be successful you have to know what you want and how to get it. And if for some reason you can’t get it in your current state you must change your perspective and only after taking a look at yourself in that new perspective will you be able to understand why it is you can get what you want. I’ve found this applies to happiness as well. If I’m having a hard time being happy or controlling my emotions or basically anything related to my mental state then I’ll take a step back and think about it as if I wasn’t myself. I think about it as if I was someone else and Im listening to them explain the problems to me and then I do my best to offer advice and help. This is something that I do unconsciously now because I’ve been doing it for so long. And just to clarify I don’t actually see myself as a different person. I was just using that as a way to help you understand exactly what I mean. Joe I really wish you would let me be on your podcast man.
Your not the first nineteen y/o to think they have the world figured out. The older you get the more you realize you don’t know 💩 The universe gave you one mouth, but two ears, your supposed to listen twice as much as you talk 😏
@@rdh1429 bro ur like 16. You have no room to speak. Stop trynna act like you know more lmao😂😂 mister “listen twice as much as you talk” should really stop talking😂😂 like did you think you’re giving me some sort of advice I haven’t already heard? You sound like just another 30 some year old dude that thinks he has life figured out just because he’s older. Stop being a dipshit and going around acting like you know better trying to tell kids online how they should think. You don’t know shit and you should probably go read more books.
@@GottablastJimbo Glad to see yong people with an understanding of what it takes. I hope you had continued making strides towards the goal as I realize your first comment is 2 years old. Something else to consider is also working for someone who has much more woodworking skills than yourself. Even if its at a loss (less than your making now) You can learn so many skills and techniques that you can't anywhere else without paying someone to learn those skills.
J NO I watch al fair bit of his stuff... he must be a hella busy guy idk how he puts out as much content as he consistently does.... not saying its incredibly complicated by I couldnt keep his pace for a week.
Just because it's the first of may I will respond to this. Tim Pool's concept of socialism is a bit off, he keeps looking back to the individual. Socialism doesn't ignore the individual, it just points out that some "collective problems" can not be resolved by looking at the individuals. For example the waste management and recycling. All individuals can be motivated to recycle and try to avoid as much waste as they possibly can. But in the end you will need socialist sollutions to such a collective problem. Make water clean, safe and accessible in every home from the sink. That's a socialist sollution... vs pushing 100% recycable water-bottles wich is a neo-liberal (fake)attempt to a sollution, but in the end it isn't a sollution but makes the problem bigger and more complex. So socialism asks the question with every issue? Is this a collective problem or not? If so, does it need a collective sollution? If not, good...then we do not need collective sollutions. Yeah, i'm white and male. I have an education. But it doesn't come because my grandfather earned peanuts in the coalmine in Belgium. It's so that in Belgium we implemented a lot of socialist sollutions to existing problems. Education, Healthcare, Unemployement, and the list goes on. (Lessons from WWII were learned). My father got his high school degree and worked as a mechanic, he was in his turn in a postion to let his sons (and daughters) go to college. I do not agree that this route was possible for my families (and all the families in our mining-community) to climb the social ladders over generations without: single payer healthcare, low-cost education (incl college and university), job security, wage security (wages are linked to inflation), etc. And still within this social democracy, people can still go skyrocket if they exceptional talents, skills, etc. Socialism doesn't hold them back.
Not looking for an argument, but just pointing out that you can have "socialist" functions in a capitalistic republic. Fire departments, government run infrastructure, pharmaceutical regulations. However, the issue becomes where you draw the line. My problem with socialism is that people claim that socialism is somehow morally superior to capitalism when in reality it is based on coercion. That's just the simple truth. Whether you like socialism or not, taking from some and giving to others through force, is coercion. If you're fine with that, okay, cool. I'm not though. I personally think that having a healthy, free market economy, with limited/decentralized government, a strong emphasis on the individual, family, and community, and a safety net for those who fall on hard times, is ideal. This would be something akin to if Switzerland and Singapore had a love child.
@@michaeldonodeo1693 Yeah totally. I mean, from a different approach though. That's why I said I'm not looking for an argument, just looking at it differently. I prefer things leaning more towards capitalism and republicanism than socialism.
@@johnginter145 yeah so basically social democracy. Yay! It works indeed. It's not perfect but it can be improved and it's not nearly as broken and corrupted as some other types of systems e.g. the US.
@@Draclord35 Just to be clear, I'm not a socialist by any stretch of the imagination. I do believe that the current road that the US is on is a troubling one though. The primary reason for this is because large corporations and big government have gotten into bed with one another. This creates a hostile economic environment for many small and medium sized businesses and goes against capitalism in the sense that lobbying and special interest groups can wiggle their way into the political framework and remove/hinder any competition. I mean, the current coronavirus shutdown is going to exasperate this even more so. Although big businesses are feeling some hurt, they are not going under like all the local mom and pop stores. My problem with the political/business framework is that, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We need, as a country, to stand up to special interest groups and establish term limits for Congress members. More emphasis should also be placed on state and local communities to govern and manage themselves without federal interference. That being said, a social framework that can help those who fall on hard times, is key to a functioning modern society. I don't think, however, that it should be the "be all, end all" solution. Welfare and social nets should only be relied on after an individual cannot rely on themselves, their family, or their community first and foremost. This requires a shift in both policy and mentality. It seems to me, that many of us think that the government is the answer to many of our questions and problems, when in reality, it shouldn't be. Or, at least, shouldn't be where we turn to first.
man that was the most off the road discussion about socialism. half way through i just checked the title again to remind myself what it was originally about.
Who is "they" & "them" Tim is referring to? "they" &"them" are the rich kids who are socialists that Joe was talking about. Context in Tim's question matters. "they ' & "them" are the rich kids who don't understand the real implications of socialism because "they"& "them" have no clue how the real world works in their social bubble which frankly in most situations are white kids. Those who aren't white but rich are usually surrounded by whites with similar ideologies that prop these non-whites up in supporting their thinking. The point Tim was making was the promotion of racial politics to subvert the bias of race in order to promote socialism. In other words they use racism as a means to propagandize the ideology. Let's get real, rich people are going to hang with rich people no matter what color they are.
@@CheesyChez421 His point is probably that a lot of these SJW clowns are self loathing rich white people and thats the season the anti white hate a lot of SJWs have.
Happy to be proved wrong, but I don't recall seeing many non-white people in ANTIFA and socialist protests. Majority of them are all upper-middle-class kids with no understanding of the world.
13 years ago, i came to this country with my family with nothing (about $300) , as a family, we worked extremely hard to be where we are, never asked for welfare, little by little got a couple of houses, graduated from college, recently started my own business. then there's people who are being lazy with a victimized mentality, all they want is money handed it to them, am i supposed agree with that?
Absolutely not, your family came here with the perseverance and drive to make your way in America. Not just have it handed to You. There is a class in our socio-economic system that have made a living for generations in some cases, of living off the govt and then complain that they are being held by a glass ceiling. There are alot of people in this country that have forgotten their roots are the same as yours, but their roots were planted over a 100 years ago. There's a dichotomous irony there. The same people who came here with nothing and built up a good life for themselves and their family and are more worried about immigrants than they are of citizens who live off the govt. And that can be spun in alot of ways, but keep in mind the govt will always make money and keep their pwr grab and always will win.
10 hours for 1.5 HOURS of content he said. At this point it became VERY OBVIOUS HOW LITTLE Joe has seen of tims youtube channels. If you watch him you'll see he doesn't have a life outside of his work.
@@dddeadlift In socialist society basically everything you work for or worked for isn't yours, you basically just give all your money and success to the government and then the government hands the money out to people who don't work, so nobody becomes successful and at the end of the day nobody wants to work anymore and the rich pack their bags and leave the country so where is the money gonna come from if nobody works and the rich who own the major companies and businesses leave
Are you kidding me? The entire discussion is dissecting different facets of perserverence and acquiring success for yourself instead of expecting it to be handed to you. "Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps"; The very essence of capitalism; the very thing that these young socialists have convinced themselves is impossible. They go on to explore different examples and the values neccessary for success. Just because your attention span isn't capable of maintaining a grasp on the context of the conversation doesn't mean it isn't there. But if you're that impatient, start at 16:59
@Zack Macdowell agreed. Though let's agknowledge that a capitalist society is capable of incorporating selective social policies and benefitting strongly from it... providing the temperament of the populace can tolerate such a thing. And unlike nordic countries, we are certainly not capable of such. Widespread mental illness, dogmatic hatred of government and adherence to anarchy. The steadily growing population compared to places like Norway or even Canada. The constant presence of animosity toward the very system your taxes go to. So much so that, for example, people by the masses condoning the abuse of the welfare state in secret. We certainly are not capable of handling many "social" policies as of yet. Maybe we never will at a certain density of population. Not until we all remember how to socialize properly with our fellow human again. And I'd imagine that at this point, the only things that could trigger such a shift are the same things it always ends up being: Destruction.. Anarchy.. Indifference and profound callousness.. Foolish division.. Tragedy and suffering. How ironic... We humans are so predictably stupid.
Darkseany “Socialize properly...” You mean to make everybody think the same way? Imagine if genetics followed your plan...we would all still be simple proteins all doing the EXACT same thing. The problem isn’t that we are different. The problem is that we don’t understand the power of difference. It is how things are different that gives value to anything or to power change. Voltage differentials give us electrical energy in our neurons as well as our electronics. Chemical potentials are the effect of different electron energy states. Differences in ideas is what drives innovation. The differences in the information gathered by each eyeball is what provides us depth perception. No. The problem isn’t our differences. The problem is our inability to communicate our differences in a useful manner. It’s the communication that we fail in, and we are failing even harder. Cancel Culture is anathema to communication, and that’s why society is the way it is today.
What if the dealer is in collusion with 2 ppl at the table? Then it really doesn't matter what hand you're dealt. That's the "life" we're in right now.
I just want the corporate bailouts and executive bonuses to continue, so just put whoever will make sure that happens in charge. Oh, it's either candidate? Cool, then I don't need to vote.
@@choadcityusa they're both right. To let all companies just told is naive and short-sightedness, but to keep bailing out failing businesses without extremely strict stipulations that protect workers is corrupt and greedy (for politicians).
@@dereksbooks letting the companies fail is actually more painful in the short run and beneficial in the long run. The problem with bailing out companies is we remove the keystone to free market enterprise: RISK. I would definitely run my company in a more reckless manner if I knew I was being backed by tax payers. The real issue is FIAT currency, and the idea that aggregate demand and quantitative easing actually creates a sound economy.
They did that because the profile of socialist Americans is not what socialists would anticipate. They think they're helping the poor underprivileged minorities, but it is actually a an upper class perspective, which happens to be white.
@@phil5037 There is no real evidence of that beyond preconceived feelings. Even if it were, them having an "upper class" and "white" perspective says nothing about whether it would actually help the poor.
@@phil5037 How exactly are we using the term "socialist" though? I brought up their discussion of race and identity because it seemed like they were discussing SJWs and people with white guilt as if they are the "socialist types." They ignored the fact that there is a huge difference between being socially progressive and actually being a socialist. I'm not sure were you and Tim Pool found this study but It sounds like you’re talking about neoliberals and corporate democrats.
@@Mattwashere2013 I believe I can help clarify. Socialism is on it's face an identity politics issue: the nature of the divide is those who have and those who have not. While at first glance it may seem devoid of the rabbit hole that is I.P. due to the lack of race/sex/religious contention being strictly necessary in a socialist system, there is still tension and conflict between two Identities (as I referrerd to them; haves and have nots.) I hope you read this in the spirit it was intended. Godspeed
@@jessiewalker8547 first off, no the Nazis weren't socialist. Again, no. I disliked the video because they didn't even talk about socialism but rather a stupid caricature of a socialist. Not to mention Joe Rogan is more leftie, but is talking crap on lefties because of his guest
@@Reedskiii Believing that you must agree with your "side" on every issue and never criticize it on anything is exactly what is wrong with this country.
@@YungHexxa at what stage are only 5% getting a chance though? If only 5% get a shot at the national ballet that could just mean the rest failed and gave up before that
@@jacksonthesyndicalist2771 Sorry I didn't explain. Joe & friend stresses perseverance and you'll make it. I disagree - more often, people need to self reflect, learn how to fail and move on. Naysayers suck but staying in the sunk cost of aspirations for decades does more harm than good
So what AOC was referring to in regards to the phrase "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is the _original intended meaning of the phrase_ itself, which was more along the lines of “to try to do something completely absurd." Here's a description I pulled from some article, but you can verify the info yourself: Etymologist Barry Popik and linguist and lexicographer Ben Zimmer have cited an American newspaper snippet from Sept. 30, 1834 as the earliest published reference to lifting oneself up by one’s bootstraps. A month earlier, a man named Nimrod Murphree announced in the Nashville Banner that he had “discovered perpetual motion.” The Mobile Advertiser picked up this tidbit and published it with a snarky response ridiculing his claim: “Probably Mr. Murphree has succeeded in handing himself over the Cumberland river, or a barn yard fence, by the straps of his boots.” “Bootstraps were a typical feature of boots that you could pull on in the act of putting your boots on, but of course bootstraps wouldn’t actually help you pull yourself over anything. If you pulled on them, it would be physically impossible to get yourself over a fence. The original imagery was something very ludicrous, as opposed to what we mean by it today of being a self-made man.”
@ uhh...yeah. It is. www.dailywire.com/news/watch-aoc-says-its-physically-impossible-to-pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps Took from the daily fucking wire to hopefully reveal the motivated reasoning you're using to yourself.
My god, these right wingers are so fucking dumb. It's so clear that the phrase was invented as something that is not possible to do. The fact that some people succeed despite starting with very little does not mean the origin of the phrase is now different. Just wow. How does this world continue to function with such massive numbers of ignoramuses.
Tim has the opposite problem, All work and no play makes a dull boy! Going to work himself to death for what? Need to relax and enjoy life from time to time, Not just work non stop.
My dad was a auto mechanic all of his life, my mom worked at a union carbide factory. My upbringing taught me a lot, work for what you have. Do what's right, the rest will take care of itself.
Tim is good at saying a generalization one moment and a specific exception the next without specifying. It doesn't bother me, but I can see why people tease him for it or get confused.
@@dogfart2485 She was pointing out how big of a fallacy that metaphor is. The saying "to pull oneself up by one's bootstraps" was already in use during the 19th century as an example of an impossible task.
@Brady Productions lolol funniest thing I've ever heard. Who is Alex Jones? Never heard of that politician. AOC is a disgrace. She all of a sudden gets accents when around black people. She thinks it's immagrants are drinking out of the toilet instead of the sink above it. Lol. So smart. She denied Amazon on her district which would have given thousands of workers middle income wages. Super smart. She's a loser. Let me guess you think Trump is a Nazi?
You aren't paying "someone" your money is taken from you at threat of imprisonment to fund government jobs, programs, and whatever social experiments they fancy at the moment
@@flynnparish9833 Then get out of my country. Quit being a leech and stop using OUR roads and enjoying OUR economy. Get out if you truly believe you're supposed to remain independent from society.
@@edurado1996 Then don't pay taxes? You do know you can choose not pay your taxes and go to jail? Or leave the country and go live in the wilderness away from civilization?
As someone who has alot of talents, and grew up with supportive parents whom are both successful financially due to being hardworking people, as well as intelligent ones, I have something to say. Talent means very little. It really sucks when you know that your are smarter and more talented than the person standing next to you, but they outdid you because they put more work in. It's really easy to start hating yourself, because on paper, there's no way you can lose, which means that you had to have failed about as much as you possibly could have, or that you maybe even failed intentionally. And here's the thing, failure is unavoidable, regardless of who you are. For the people that have the natural advantage, failure can be especially difficult to accept, and it can destroy you.
One of the dumbest things I heard during this CCP quarantining is when people are mad at farmers for dumping milk or slaughtering animals yet no one seems to understand how many different industries are involved
Marx himself was the child of an upper middle class family who was very generous with his family's money, to such an extent they had to cut him off, lest he waste what was supporting his mother and siblings.
To Tim's point that people are raised not knowing where things come from: Early on in the Oprah years (mid- to late-eighties, I think), Ms. Winfrey had some farmers on the show discussing how tough it was to be farmers and the damage being done by government regulation and big agribusiness firms to the family and small farmers of this country. The farmers were characterized as the villains in the scenario. At the point where it was opened up for audience questions, after the farmers had been thoroughly demonized by other guests, one audience member asked the question, "Why do we need farmers?" One farmer replied, "Where are you going to get the vegetables and meat that you enjoy each day?" The audience member, a 30-something female, replied, "I'll just go to the grocery store and get it like I always do!" So the phenomenon of people not knowing is not new.
That is SCARY STUPID. I am amazed at how dumb our society is when 30 YEAR OLDS ARE THAT DUMB!
I remember that crap. Couldn't believe what I was watching.
That example right there is why my cousin, a former infantryman and PTSD advocate, refused to go on her show in 2009.
He said he didnt trust her and how she would present him or the disorder.
Damn
Hell, up until only a few years ago it was also:
"Why do we need farmers?"
"Because our most important export by far is grain. That is how we keep the US dollar as strong as it is. Other countries need us to survive."
Tim goes on. Joe Rogan: Socalism sucks
Bernie goes on. Joe Rogan: Socalism is good
Nah, he just wanted viewers.. He is Trump Fanboy through and through, he is just sneaky about it.
Bernie is only a socialist in the general U.S. sense (medicare for all). He's closer, but real socialists want public ownership of all production
@@sub-harmonik Don't forget that he goes around praising communist countries, introduced legislation for worker-owned businesses, pushes for equity instead of equality, and can't actually come up with a way to pay for any of his plans that doesn't involve eating the rich. If he's not a socialist, then he's just incompetent.
Bernie may call himself Socialist, but I care more about POLICY.
Bernie's policies WERE Social Democratic not Democratic Socialism.
America is stupid as fuck for not nominating him as the so-called "progressive party's" nominee.
Instead we have a flakier version of Trump in Biden - who confuses his own wife with his sister! Sound familiar?
Final thought: Both parties are regressive shitshows.
@@feeziwigfloyd7517 poor people richer, stable lifes, no third party mafia thugs like health insurance, country is stable and does not go through boom bust cycles, corporations pay taxes not 0% like amazon, everybody is happy.. look at canada, scandinavia, richest EU countries and then think about facts not retards on FOX and CNN
There was a guy in a reverse Q&A I saw from Portland University who made one of the best points I've ever heard. He mentioned how he visited Nepal, and they had no concept of social justice because they were more concerned about whether they were gonna eat that day. But when he came back to America, realized: "Social justice is a privileged concept for privileged people. To be able to think of everyone, and think that somehow you can solve everyone else's problems because you don't have any of your own."
@Maple_Hobbit That's essentially saying that if you're poor, you don't have human rights to worry about--since that's exactly what social justice issues are--issues in which people's basic rights are being threatened. And that, of course, is ridiculous. Simply because you're poor, that doesn't mean you don't have rights that can be threatened and taken away, it simply means that it's harder for you to speak out because you're having to focus on your basic survival on a daily basis. In fact, some of the poorest countries in the world have some the worst social justice issues, because they don't have the financial means with which to fight back, thus making it easier for their government to suppress their rights. Nations throughout Latin America, Africa, and Asia are perfect examples of this. Take a look at the governments of El Salvador, Nigeria, and North Korea (to name just three of multiple examples) and you'll see nations in which governments torture, jail, and disappear people (make them vanish). In all of them, the people are extremely poor, and the atrocities committed against them continue because they don't have the means with which to fight back. It's easy for that person to say that poor nations don't have social justice issues when they're not the ones living there. Try living there, however, under the rule of those governments, and it's an entirely different story. Simply because he didn't see the issues, that doesn't mean they don't exist.
Yes only rich assholes don't realize this immediately. Its painfully obvious.
@@ravenestrella2310 everything you described is a result of poverty. Money=power.
Only in a prosperous capitalist country can true progressive movements be found. Anywhere you find true freedom, you’ll find capitalism.
Tao Tao You misinterpret. He’s saying you can only turn focus towards things like social justice when other larger problems have been solved, like mass poverty, famine, etc. Capitalist countries have those issues solved. So now we turn our attention to the next set of problems and so on.
"It's easy to be a saint in paradise"
- Captain Benjamin Sisko
I love a good DS9 reference. Sisko is my second favorite Captain behind Archer even though they're basically the same type.of character.
Good story arc. Still relevant today.
@@joeclaridy archer really to each their own, sisko was great kirk is a tie with him imo and then picard then archer.
dosran I’m a Picard man myself, but Jesus that new series sucked
Sisko Is the the best captain because he is the most human.
Joe “Some days I like Socialism and sometimes I don’t” Rogan
Isn't that how we all feel? Socialism sounds good, I just think it would be terrible compared to capitalism once implemented. Now capitalism with a UBI? That's a totally different story. Teaching people to be successful in a capitalist system would be awesome.
@@calmexit6483 if we had real capitalism in would agree. We have unfettered capitalism that is impossible to win in unless you start on 3rd base. Just look at our president.
dark ray it’s really not that hard to succeed in our system, acquire a skill that makes you hard to replace, you’ll be fine. Or become so elite at a field that is heavily crowded, so you stick out
@@tyronehoard Jeff Bezos's father, adoptive father who raised him from childhood, was a cuban refugee who came to the US as a teen who couldn't even speak a lick of english. He became an oil engineer, gave Jeff Bezos a middle class life, and was among the first to invest in Amazon when it was a small business. Who's richer Trump or Jeff Bezos? Not even a question
ColemanCulture in what conversations has joe liked socialism?
“If you don’t make things, there are no things.” ~ Elon Musk
Tell that to Wall Street, which manufactures wealth out of nothing. It's a faux economy, but it drives the US neoliberal system as we outsource factories, stocks soar.
@BeerGrills They create bubbles that do not reflect actual value, but rather they've learned how to artificially inflate wealth and speculation to make a quick buck. Whoever is left holding the bag when it pops is ruined. You're dishonest if you don't admit that outsourcing jobs is the real economy, which involves making things rather than invisible speculation and investment in nebulous concepts. That's why the corporate media measures economic health based on Wall Street stock values, because what they really care about is the health of stocks for the rich, not main street.
@Curtis Beardsley Yes, indeed, and the statistics bear this out.. The middle class is shrinking and income inequality growing annually. The Cares Act was the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history. Trump is a symptom of this disenchantment with the failed American experiment.
Bob Jones this is obnoxious. Read the room.
@@keelyatlover739 Feel free to debate my points with evidence, not insults or clichés. If you can't, get lost.
Playback speed settings to use:
Joe Rogan: 1.25x
Tim Pool: 0.75x
This is fucking perfect!
Joe talks slowly to slow others down and make himself seem smarter.
Its actually quite genius.
I like letting Joe’s “dude bro weed” voice wash over me
NinjaKing. nah he’s just doesn’t like to talk fast cuz it’s harder to understand. the millions listening to his podcast daily actually want to understand the things being said, talking slower does that very effectively
@@brendanomalley7603 u probably right
Bragging about myself, concerning this video. I am 68 years old. in 5 minutes ,after your video ends , I am going to a local Park to play guitar for free, Because covid restrictions have dried up all my gigs. I do not see my fellow guitarists out busking while I am out there. This is my 6th year trying to be a professional musician. So, I am the low cost provider in an very thin field of old musicians. Shit will happen...... Thanks for doing what you do.
Good luck man! Do you have a page or website where I could support you?
@Jay Smith Sure. Go to Bandcamp.com , type in my name. Buy a couple songs. Pay extra for them. Suggest people hire me. Thanks
Needed to see this, trying to make videos about current events or ideas and i get bogged down and discouraged in not being "perfect". Think im going to go bear bones and just talk.
Rock on mr. Degner, rock on.
do you have videos?
Truck drivers are the backbone of our economy. They are the unsung heros.
and heeeere, comeeee, the automated trucks
While i can agree that they are important, they are not the backbone. to play devils advocate here, what about the diesel mechanics? The manufacture's who make the goods you ship, the farmers who produce food. The list goes on and truthfully the vast majority of skilled labor is just as important as the next. It takes all of us doing our part.
@@sswmetalhead good point
@@dariyoon There will more than likely still be a human on board for multiple reasons, instead of driving, they serve a different purpose. security, problem solving, cargo Verification, etc.... you would be surprised how many issues arise from the shipping manifest (BOL). There is still a conductor on train for christ sake.
Yeah all workers play a part but that doesn't mean truck drivers aren't the backbone. Let's say we cancel corn, we would be fine. Coffee, sports, luxury cars, etc. Pretty specific, niche like things that all have an impact but we can survive that pretty easily.
Water, power, internet and truck drivers. You lose any of those and you're looking at another great depression at best.
Tim "...tend to be white"
Joe "obviously you're generalizing"
Tim "yeah.. that's what 'tend' means"
Except he's factually wrong
@@CarlosHernandez-zf8vm this is the part where you prove he's wrong
@@SASMADBRUV7 www.cato.org/blog/59-americans-have-favorable-views-capitalism-59-have-unfavorable-views-socialism
@@CarlosHernandez-zf8vm while the percentage among white people is less than among black. But there are many more white people. So in total, you will get more white people favoring socialism. Not per capita, just in general.
@@ВалераБойко-н5л is that supposed to be an argument? There's more white people of pretty much everything in a country where there's more white people in general. The data that matters IS the per capita.
"Money has no inherent value; it's the work we do for each other [that has value]." Great quote.
"Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death.
" -Proverbs
19:50 Tim Pool endorses socialism
@@jamesandrew1750 Imagine if productive work for the sake of being productive was the drive for society.
@@tyfeliz5202
Japan's like that. It's also socially dysfunctional and falling apart as a result under the mask the weaboos and other imbeciles blindly worship.
Paper currency is just tree blood made paper. And just like tree blood money has no inherit value outside of the value we ourselves place on it.
It also depends on how you measure “success”, if you love being a garbage man, and you work hard at it- that’s success. Don’t let society measure it for you. Big mistake.
Indeed as a culture we overvalue money, houses, cars, etc. I argue that internet and social media has destroyed community which was already on the decline because the school system destroys the family unit
the problem is that in order it live a happy life you need to make somewhat of a livable wage, which is i think around 70,000$’s, but ppl on average are making much lower than that. everyone should have the ability to make a livable wage no matter what they love doing
100% my man. Do what makes you happy and git good at it
@@nothinginhiding IDEALLY we all should be able to do what ever we want (within reason) and make a living wage. It's been that way in the US for a while, but if we keep allowing the Marxists to shrink the middle class, that is going to be the case less and less often. the goal of socialism / communism is to make EVERYBODY so poor and desperate that you do whatever they tell you because you just want to eat. I remember hearing about in the 80s in the USSR that the government would choose your job for you, more or less. If communism ever takes over the US the only people with any choices will be those in the government / have government connections.
According to Nietzsche, masters are creators of morality; slaves respond to master morality with their slave morality. Slave morality is based on devaluing that which the master values and the slave does not have.
"The only thing worse than a poor Communist is a rich one"
Tbf, the only thing worse than a rich capitalist, is a poor one.
Like when I'm lectured on the negatives of basic healthcare by some poor-ass American who couldn't even afford to pull a rotten tooth, but preaches whatever right-wing economists say.
Isn't this a Peter Schiff quote? I heard it recently.
Simon Farre your a commi
Grubby bum your a commi
@@mitchlesinski7803 *you're
I somehow managed to move out of the ghetto to getting my nursing license and degrees amd working 50-60 hour weeks while living cheaply. It took me 5 years out of college but I did it. I also worked on my career and attained medical related jobs and make 3 times as much as did starting out in my career.
it's interesting how some people will find a way to better there situation come hell or high water, and how some people will fuck up every opportunity they're given. at the end of the day you either make it out or you don't. my situation mirrors what you describe, at no point was it anyone else's responsibility but my own to make my life better.
@@anthologyofinterest1 it's too bad some people dont have to prove themselves to anyone and just make millions off of stock dividends
@@anthologyofinterest1 Yeah but the point that people try to get across is that not everyone gets equal opportunities. I just been coasting in school enjoying life my whole life because my parents have 2 properties in the millions. I make alot of money on the side of being a student by buying and selling shoes, stock trading etc. through 0% interest loans from my parents. So is it not slightly unfair for "the good life" to just be handed to me on a platter?
Ok, good job? All you in here and Joe and Tim are ALL misrepresenting the issue here. You shouldn't HAVE to slave away to carve out a comfortable living. It doesn't fucking matter all this shit about "well there are people here in poverty living better than a lot of the world", it's about the INSANE CONCENTRATION OF WEALTH AT THE TOP in THIS country compared to how we tread our poorest. The PEOPLE worked to create this nation of wealth yet the shit's been rigged to constantly funnel more and more of it up to fewer and fewer richer and richer people dude. You're looking at everything the way the ones up top WANT you to look at it instead of looking at it for what it really is.
Was about to say some socialist would still find a way to advocate for socialism but I see@@michaelhaydenbell already did it. Socialism’s killed more than nazism and it’s bankrupted at least 10 economies in history. It’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. The rich shitstains who weasel around the law and fuck you without Vaseline won’t lose their social status or wealth. They will accrue more power. The only difference is we’ll all be equally poor on governemebt programs with no other options. Please take a look a communist China. If that is appealing to you I will personally buy your plane ticket.
9:34: Tim Pool: *"I don't take days off... **_(dramatic pause)_** ... EVER"*
Tim Pool 1 second later: *"I took a day off yesterday"*
You mean 9:34? Dyslexia much?
@@briz6368 Me: *I don't make time-stamp mistakes.... ever.*
Me 1 second later: _Edits time-stamp mistake._
Briz is always lying in wait....
ALWAYS
Right wingers: "Those stats dont mean anything.."
Right Wingers 1 second later: "But you cant deny these stats haha owned!!!"
Theodore J. Oaker better luck next time.
"The trouble with Socialism is that eventually, you run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher
No wonder all the flourishing European countries are doing so badly with their free education/healthcare and longer lifespans and higher educational test scores etc etc
@@rudeboyjim2684 They applied it awhile ago, when they aren't as diverse agreeing in getting taxed high equally. USA is a different beast, we're talking about a really diverse country that constantly welcomes people from other country who come to the US with their own - for the most part- weak currency that has to be adjusted to the US currency. And US Capitalism brought a lot of competition that made a lot of patents, inventions and innovations possible in all fields from science, medicine, and other breakthroughs. This website you're watching your video in is a product of capitalism. The USA has made a lot of sacrifices in itself to push progress, mostly driven by capitalism. That ever so ubiquitous Tesla cars in Norway? Made and patented in the US. If you wanna get taxed 40%, get out of the US and stay there, and wait and benefit for the breakthroughs done by the capitalist behemoth.
Raja Ronaldo the argument doesn’t work for SO many reasons. 1) I’ll take 60,000 less health-care related deaths, WAY lower rates of depression, better education and all the things that are meaningful in life to more Teslas etc. 2) all of those countries have capitalistic economies, but they understand that unfettered capitalism leads to the 2008 banking crisis, (Iceland deregulated their banks in 2008 also, and they bankrupted themselves). You don’t need libertarianism to stimulate invention. In fact, think of all the people who are busy slogging away at a 9-5 and don’t have the resources to go to school, invest, or innovate because they lack necessary capital. America could be way better-but our middle class is disappearing.
3) under FDR we had up to a 90% top marginal tax rate in the golden age of American dominance. Now we are losing out to China because we have a beefed up financial industry but don’t actually make that many THINGS, just loans and bonds and stocks and mortgage backed securities etc. when other countries call our bluff, the economy is going to crash.
The trouble with right wing neoliberalism is that you eventually run out of public assets to flog off and taxes to bail out failed capitalists
@@gartner101 Not really, though. You just print more money and defund more public services to justify it to your voters.
Joe "my political opinions reflect who I have on the show today" Rogan
There’s something in agreeing with someone that gets them to open up and talk more. Could totally be an interview method.
@Curtis Beardsley can u explain that more please
No, it just means that he can have an open mind and isn’t restricted to one specific point of view.
@Sports and Gaming I doubt its an interview tactic. I love Joe but he just has no ideology and is ignorant. He lacks a framework for understanding things so he will generally agree with anything that can't be debunked with general common sense.
Joe's political opinions don't change with whoever he has on the show that day. He simply plays devil's advocate in each interview. It's an interviewing technique that causes the person being interviewed to open up more with their opinions and allows them to explain WHY they believe what they believe. When the interviewer portrays agreement with the interviewee, it's an interview. When the interviewer argues the entire time with the interviewee, it's a debate.
Without getting too deep into it "success" does not mean the same thing to everyone, and shouldn't. If someone defines it as becoming a billionaire then 99.9% could realistically never achieve it. I can live a pretty happy "simple" life in general without being "rich". Adjusting one's target for success is something to consider.
mlj rotag very good perspective.
that's a very good point and the same line of thinking separates leftist economics and politics from right economics and politics. if there were a company making billions a year in revenue that alone is seen as a success, regardless of how little the workers for that same company get paid or the quality of those workers' lives. or the aim of the government and how the right simply cares about numbers on paper like GDP, debt and the deficit (they only care when they aren't in office), yet those hardly tell the story of the citizens' lives. if a country has a high GDP and low deficit, this is seen as a success regardless if 50% of that same country's citizens live in poverty. same goes for foreign countries leadership, as there are a number of times where a country has a military dictator as its leader supported by the US and western profit-driven media says this country is successful regardless of how many people that US supported dictator has killed or what they do to their people. such as Cuba where Castro was terrible and violent, yet many in the US and western media were not nearly as hostile towards Cuba when they were led by Fulgencio Batista who killed more people than Castro but he was supported by the US so no one says anything about it. and many Democrats who are centrist and center-right have the same view on what "success" looks like regardless of the lives of the average people
I agree; that's an excellent way to view "success."
I make a decent living doing what I love working for myself. That’s my definition
My goal is to help make billionaire literally impossible
Sorry Tim but you really look like Meg Griffin in this clip
damn i thought there was a mosquito on my screen!
@@Chorizosabroso nice
Shut up Tim.
@@Chorizosabroso no that's just Tim!
Very intelligent comment.
Every person I know who lived under socalism loves capitalism. Every person I know who benefitted from capitalism who supports socalism lives in a bubble of comfort and privilege.
Great comment. That's so true.
Look into Russian shock therapy after the fall of the soviet union and see how much those citizens loved capitalim.
@@thegreenstache04 what's your point?
@@oddoutdoors That it sounds like you aren't aware of the harm capitalism has done, and are talking about people living in bubbles.
@@thegreenstache04 and communism hasn't done any harm? I'm not saying capital is perfect or even good. I'm just saying exactly what I said.
But we currently have socialism for the rich. They aren't talking about that. Bailouts are socialism for corporations. In a capitalist system, companies who don't save and now are going bankrupt see tossed aside. If you don't make it then you don't make it. But when you bail them out with taxpayer money, it's called socialism.... For the rich!
on God!!!!
James Poindexter III We already live in a socialist society... it’s called crony capitalism. You have to have nothing or everything to benefit from it i.e. government subsidies, the “viral” corporate bailouts, medicaid. The middle class get the short end of the stick.
Bailouts arent socialism , you uneducated moron. Sure they are bad, but the government isnt building a police state for corporations, taking corporate private property, or silencing those who oppose bailouts. That would be socialism.
@@charactersmoreorthree
No we didnt. You need to go read the definition of socialism. Roads and schools are NOT socialism.
@@billping6712
Jesus, you are all so stupid. Maybe we are similar to Fabian socialism, but we are nothing like a socialist state. Socialism is the abolition of private property, the authoritarian suppression of dissent, and the planning of economy leading up to communism . Okay, maybe we are headed there.
He sounds like a more depressed Ben Shapiro
benny pitt how is a he a neo-con hypocrite?
Lmfao this dude is a loser
@benny pitt Tim Poole isn't a Liberal lol
Morgan 1081
He's "center left" according to him.
@benny pitt ^
"I can jump pretty high" -Tim Pool. Reach for the stars my guy.
I guess you don’t know much about skateboarding.
Bingo.... Karl Marx was a lawyer’s kid who mooched off his pArents
I'm pretty sure parents are supposed to support their kids, but okay idiot
Coley Buckalew he lived off his parents and his brother in law for most of his life
@@Wrthwry lol found the 30 year old living in mom's basement
Oskari Peurala Oof. Sounds like a projection from your end
@@Wrthwry it's true tho, marx mooched off of friends and family
For a video titled "Tim Pool's Problem with Socialism", it's interesting that we didn't get any sort of discussion actually about socialism.
Right? Lmfao. Although I doubt he would have anything interesting to say about it.
Its almost like tim pools too dumb to understand what socialism is
@@Knixon-tl5oc he's actually being sued by his brother over theft.
@@hellfirdragon17 what lmao, what did he steal
@@Knixon-tl5oc his website and youtube page, I think. His brother built a community and he stole it from him.
Tim: “I don’t take days off, ever”
Tim: “I took a day off yesterday”
Something a little bit fishy there.
he had bad sushi...
He was pointing out that whenever he would rarely take a day off it sucks. He had bad sushi for example.
PC GameBoy true...still it’s a little bit fishy
@@JoeySwanders that'll be the sushi
Mike Newell indeed...
“Capitalism is evil and I never saw my dad” 🤣
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@Ginger Ginger dirty capitalism requires slaves when people are driven by profit. The great thing about dirty capitalism is it can exist at the same time as clean capitalism. Do you think you have no other options besides the big corporations?
Ginger Ginger @praescribo is a George Bush Burner account
@Ginger Ginger eer... nope. Socialism requires slaves. Can confirm as a Russian. Old people told me a lot about soviet times
@Ginger Ginger if you think paying taxes and having roads, military, schooling is socialist, then you have a very twisted view. That is the role of government, but the role of government isn't to control everything
Success isn’t just about money. I am not rich nor am I poor but family and friends is my wealth.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Yeah, my goal is to eat sushi all the time. To do that I need money cause it’s expensive (15$ for sushi buffet). To gain money I need to work hard and save all my revenue to invest more and more. Until I have dividends that pay my monthly expenses and sushi 👍
I equate success with happiness. What good is money if you don't have the people you love around you? I'd rather live under a bridge with my wife than be rich without her.
@@enriquellerena4779 I want to build my own village by hand in the woods. I like your sushi dream 👌
You say that cuz your broke
I normally watch JRE at 1.5x to 2x speed; not possible when Tim is on lol.
Or that Ben Sharpie guy
Fucking same. lol
I swear I thought I was the only one.
I was like "let's crank this down a bit.
Meanwhile, we need to put Joe on 1.5x to sound normal
@Darthwing Xodius what a weird brag
For today we switch to 1.25x 😁
ffs I really want people who use the word socialism in any argument for or against it to define it every time they use it in the context they're using it. It feels like socialism means ice to one person and steam to another.
Tobin Kovoor also liberalism. Seems no one in America has any idea what that word means.
Fiore Deutchmark liberalism is a thing of the past. Civil liberties are the last thing on leftist minds.
@@fioredeutchmark Isn't it just being open to change from the status quo?
@@CD-zg4tj yet Bernie is one of the few politicians who is against mass surveillance
Nolan Armstrong
Fascism is not socialism. Jesus H Christ!
He's over thinking that last bit. If the government tells you to stay home and not go to work so you cant make any money, then the government has to make you whole.
It's not a long term thing, but it is long enough to ruin a hell of a lot of people and businesses if they don't get support.
Bringing ideology into it isn't helpful.
Here, in Ireland, we've a rather helpful set of support packages set up. All the freezes and supports he just mentioned and said were impossible! We're not a massive country with trillions to burn either! We've a centre right govt!!! Everyone, even opposing politicians have come together as much as all of us here on the front line. If America sorted its foreign policy it'd have a serious yearly surplus!
@Bif Webster Yep. My step moms daycare/kindergarten in New Jersey that has been open for over 40 years got declined for support. State mandated closure yet no support.
This is 100% correct,
seskill if her name was Boeing she would have the government lining up at her door with blank checks.
@@marshallkobe I'm disgusted with this country. Really am. How this is possible is just then spitting in our face now. At the same time it angers me just as much that her and my dad will most likely vote for someone that has only enabled this.
Tim "I can jump pretty high on a skateboard" Pool
Have you seen him skateboard? He's pretty good
He’s actually really fuckin good
Perseverance is the huge thing. There’s a lot of people out there that don’t exceed because they’re lazy and it’s very obvious.
People sit at home smoking weed and wonder why they aren’t rich
Especially they don’t succeed when during situations like corona virus the top 1% get $5 trillion in bailout money and the rest of the country gets $1200 for 3 months which not even UBI - it’s tax credit which means it’s your own money. Not even everybody. Companies like Boeing whose planes are falling from the sky and who instead of spending the money from Trump tax cuts on their workers or on R&D wasted all their money on share buy back now crawl back to suck the government tit and they got a bail out. But regular people, sorry you get peanuts. All these insurance companies get a bailout from government during corona. Huh? Why? It’s it supposed to be capitalism and they they should go belly up because free market and sh#t? Yes, it’s socialism for the rich and capitalism for everyone else. Instead of letting insurance companies going bankrupt and giving everybody healthcare like in every f#cking developed country Democrats and GOP voted to save the health insurance companies. I am sure it’s because everybody else is lazy. Half of small business will go bankrupt and huge corporations will gobble them up because half of small business owners are lazy according to your brilliant logic.
@@sergeikhripun shutdowns are destructive and create more problems than they solve.
@@metalmk6839 Gee, thanks that explains everything. What can I do without a genius like you? This is why the US is getting 2nd waive of covid. Germany has 4% unemployment becasue they nationalized payroll which is socialism and the US gave the richest 1% and corporations $5 trillion and everybody else can FO. George Floyd pretests are just a tip of an iceberg, wait till homeowners will lose their homes and renters become evicted becasue they don't have any money because the employment is at least 20% in the US. And it will happen in red states and in blue states, so you will have a situation where millions of people will have no jobs, no money, no healthcare and nothing to lose.
@@metalmk6839 Tim Pool is a f#cking moron. Jimmy Dore had an interview with him where he tried to explain to him single payer/medicare for all and he doesn't understand it. The guy who never takes off his condom hat from his dumb head looks super trustworthy. LOL!
Dude he said it! This was life changing for me. "Every second you put into something is every second you're getting better at it. If you come home and play video games everyday, you're gonna get REALLY good at video games, man." Awesome.
Our brains are hard wired to make us good/better at what we do. Repetition and trying to do better, works.
Haha he's right to a point. I spent years playing a multitude of genres of games but mostly fps. I log on to counterstrike and most people I meet on there are better somehow.
Tim: I don’t take a day off
Rogan: “That’s weird”
Tim: I never take that beanie off
Me: That's weird...
Tim IS weird 😂
Well, the homeless don't take day offs either. Is that supposed to be a flex?
@@metalmk6839 have you noticed that he sounds like he's being played at 1.25 playback speed? I'm gonna slow him down and see if he works right.
America works for longer than most of Europe, for a while that was productive but now that's debatable
"Socialism produces bad art, bad music, social stagnation and really unhappy people."
- Frank Zappa
really really unhappy haters
Have you seed soviet music? It was the fucking bomb. Art? Have you seen soviet avant-garde? Maleevich, Kandinsky Tatlin?
Not to mention that people weren't unhappy. In fact today most people who lived under socialism want back. From east Germany and Kazakhstan to Russia and Czechia.
@@nielshansen8548 stop
You know who else produced bad music? Frank Zappa.
Sure he has some good material, but he also released a truly unprecedented amount of unlistenable garbage.
@@22andresmiguelFrank was straight edge. Never drank or did drugs and expected the same from his band
The hard part is finding something you want to do and earn money doing it rather then doing something you don’t want to do for a living, after years of college for business I switch to nursing and am loving it
caleb scott congratulations man! From one stranger to another that’s really cool to hear. How old were you when you switched?
Mark Pratt thanks! I was 20, just realized I wasn’t interested in business/ desk job, and got lucky enough to find something that i generally enjoy. But there were people of all ahead in my classes so it’s never to late to look into nursing school if you were interested
@@calebscott1175 luck is a big part of it all that people's egos refuse to let them consider is a factor
caleb scott The transitioning out program of the Army, ACAP, told us about this. I forget the number but something like 60-80% of Americans work a job that they don’t like and are unhappy with, but stay for the pay/benefits. They strongly encouraged us to pursue careers that made us happy.
I do heating and cooling now, and yeah work can suck and I’m not making six figures, but I love working with my hands and putting something together every day.
Dylan Healy that’s what it’s about man, doing something you actually enjoy, thanks for your service as well!
We have the most disgusting corporate socialism the world has ever seen. He's such a literal tool.
The Shitstorm Starter I can’t wait to see you fuck these politicians up brother
Yeah, so we have to replace corporate socialism with government socialism. No we don't.
@@ayandas874 That makes no sense. We already give the gov't our tax dollars..The problem is they use that money to keep the rich, richer and the poor, poorer.
Sebastian Flores of course they do it. But you are deluding yourself if you think that "if only the right group of people had that power, they would do good." They can't, and they wont, because power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. People seeking to add their own power for your good are fooling you.
@@sebastianflores5607 exactly. we need actual say in what happens with our tax dollars.
Surely Tim has made enough money to get the finest hair transplant
Surgically attaching a beanie to your scalp is bleeding edge cosmetic surgery
Why waste the time and money for something frivolous as this when he can just spend 2 seconds to put on a beanie. Tim is smarter to use his money to invest on goals that matter to him.
@@bassforhire555 Or should that be comedic surgery?
@@riopato2009 exactly, because wearing a beanie all the time is just wonderful! especially in the summer heat and it looks so much better then his head. God forbid we see his head!😲😲😲😨😨😭
Jesus Christ let the man do what he wants with his hair/lack of.
Someone just brought "Tytler's cycle" to my attention. Basically the idea that culture is in constant flux between scarcity and abundance, and people raised in abundance don't understand how to strive and become complacent... whereas people born in scarcity have to struggle to survive and learn to be self sufficient... I always kinda new this but never knew the phenomena had a name.
It's a pretty silly concept and often people cherry pick a GREAT deal to justify their personal biases.
Plenty of Boomers seem to think they are the strivers that built a great society, ignoring the fact they benefited from a great many systems they now label "socialism"
I'd point out as a counterpoint that pretty much every person who has contributed to human advancement has done so from a place of "abundance"
Basically, poor people don't have time to invest in thinking or invention because they're struggling to survive. Examine through history who has invented more things, created more art, or advanced our understanding most.
You won't find many peasants.
The peasants you DO find will have been fortunate enough to benefit from patronage from the rich.
In the last 100-300 years opportunities have certainly opened up (industrialism taught the elite that they can exploit the intelligence of the serfs and it has worked out rather well for them, despite antipathy to "social programs" that enable this) but I genuinely think my point still stands.
If the world worked according to the principle you described there would be FAR less inherited wealth, it would be the exception, not the rule. The fact that fortunes ARE lost is not compelling evidence, because that pattern tends to be one of indolence, decadence, or incompetence. Not "complacency"
We would instead see the rise and fall of nations on a generational basis. We'd see all of the best innovation from the poorest nations.
What we wouldn't see is time after time the nations with the best scientists being those that invest most heavily in educating (there's a reason the US nicked all of the top Nazi and Soviet scientists)
@@DmGray Thats quite the dissertation you wrote their. I think the fundamental point is that society is not as rigid as some would like to believe, every peasant is descended from a king and every king is descended from a peasant. I do agree with you that up until the industrial revolution the majority of the population were required to work as unfree agricultural labor, serfs or slaves, in order to ward off famine and create the surplus for the military class and bourgeois... thats what I think is missing from the revisionist history perspective; most of the "oppression" you see historically was necessary and its wrong to project modern values back on them. And yes the people at the top have a responsibility to reinvest in the workers and leaders of tommorow. Corruption is part and parcel of complacency.
It is sad that when ppl are asked what they would you do with their life if money was no object...they have no idea...society dosent teach you about yourself, only how to be a compliant cog in the systemic wheel. No one knows who they are anymore, they just know what society demands of them..
Absolutely!! It's not education, it's indoctrination. People are commodities in a completely free market. That in itself should be enough to make some changes to a faulty system, but no! Common sense isn't common, nor is it a gift any more🤷♂️
nah I'm pretty sure a very good amount would know and give many different answers
Wicked Minish id smoke weed and beat my meat all day
I would live with beavers
Konner Morales Exactly, living of mommy and daddies money isn’t “FinDiNg YouRseLf” and it doesn’t make u special
Susan Boyle was on “Brits got talent”.
Thank you, Charles
Nope - Britain's Got Talent. :D
@@JamieJacksonati you missed the joke
@@xwhatitisyo Ah, sorry. Britain Is Talented.
And they bood the hell out of her because of her looks until she sang.
Socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for everyone else
Thats not how socialism works
@El Lobo bro literally any distribution of wealth through taxation ex/ the police is an example of socialism. Karl marx was not a proponent of authoritarianism communism like USSR, Lenin wasn't a Marxist nor Stalin, you've been fed propaganda
Nancy Pelosi has worked tirelessly for the common good of Americans. She not justly compensated. She should run society.
@El Lobowell imagine your in a scenario where The only Jobs available to you are minimum wage, and you barely earn enough to pay rent and feed your self. You aren't gaining anything, your essentially a slave. Should the corporation be 'free' make money off your hard work just because they inherited wealth and you didn't? Now you might say that an individual is free to leave said job and pursue an education, but that education costs hundreds of thousands of dollars they dont have, with interest, that they're lucky to have paid off before they die. Now all there excess cash goes to paying off there loan, still a slave to an institution. Imagine they have healthcare costs, a family to feed on top of it. Someone with a rich daddy (who inherited there wealth) had there education paid for, and had a high paying job just waiting for them, is that equal opportunity? The system I'm a proponent would, limit CEOs to making a maximum of 10xavg employee (walmart ceo makes 1000x), gives employees shares in the company and a voice in the decision making in the company. I am an economics major and I'd be happy to send you some resources if your interested in learning more about the policies I advocate for
@El Lobo yes socialism is a terrible ideology, but don't go thinking that the bible isn't anything but a bunch of fairy tales written by ignorant sand dwellers
Some guys have an easier time than me. Mostly because they’re smarter and work harder than me. I can live with that. Those that can’t accept that are insane.
Well said. It all comes down to how bad you want it/how much you even care.
But that isn't what any logical people are arguing, in fact the majority of people in favor of socialized healthcare, and more government involvement in social securities etc. are against pure socialism. Some people see the benefits of a hybrid system in other western countries, and are interested in the idea.
Your comment is true in some cases, and obviously dedication and motivation is one of the driving factors of success, but the other driver of success is capital/access to capital. My parents purchased their house for $800k, now it is worth $4mil, as well as inheriting a $5mil small scale rental apartment building. So no matter what I do in life, I can have financial security. I am the youngest of 3 kids, my 25 year old sister decided to quit her job to start a company (while living in a 60% off subsidized apartment in the most expensive city in my country), my brother decided to cash out and pursue a career in ski instructing, and I am taking sizeable 0% interest loans (as well as countless handouts from grandparents, gifts etc.), and I am clearing around $20k a year buying and selling shoes, consoles, stock trading, and other ventures.
I have a close friend who has lived in a very small house with his single dad his whole life, they rent.
Who here has the easier life?
@@andrewjensen8189 They mentioned this in the video too. Clearly some people are born in your position and that is a fact, but what is the solution to that?
Your parents put in the hard work to acquire that wealth and now they have a foundation where their children can start higher up on the ladder than they themselves did and have a sort of safety net to keep them out of poverty even if they fail or do nothing (like many born into wealth do).
So what is the solution? Do we punish people like your parents for building that foundation by taking a large amount of that money away to give to others?
You ever been broke and gotten cancer?
@@quincy-2000 No, but my point is that the people who claim hard work is the only ingredient to success is just plain wrong. The most proven ingredient to success, is a successful family.
And that it also my point, my parents worked, but not any harder than anyone else. They just took out a 400k mortgage, and go lucky with their assets going up 3 million. They were given handouts by their parents, and the cycle continues.
It is stupid to ignore the opportunity discrepancies' between classes in the western world.
Most wealth inequalities are not racial based, they are class based. It is just easier for the rich to blame race, as it takes more of the pressure of blame off of them.
7:40 literally every athlete does this
I’d be incredibly surprised if any athlete playing any professional sport didn’t watch themselves. At least in hockey the teams rewatch games and the coaching staff use it to teach the players. Even when I was 13 years old we did it.
Even professional gamers watch themselves
Hildegard von Bingen literal high school kids will watch themself play
"Everyone's a genius but if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will believe it's stupid it's whole life"
- Albert Einstein
I get what the quote is trying to prove but that’s just objectively not true.
It would be impossible to know. Depends on circumstance, proper direction, upbringing, so on. I believe everyone has an aptitude for something but some never find out what that is.
@@15npaz u know I am 17 yea i grew up most of my life with my mother she was a junkie and my life sucked I had to leave when I was 12 she wasn't a suitable parent and moved in with my nana
I started secondary school I rathered have less freinds and stay away from drugs then be arojnd popular kids and probably take drugs because i knew of its effects
Most kids would of been like lets go fucking crazy and blamed the world for there problems
And i would be a junkie if I stayed living with my mother
In my opinion it comes down to the persons character that they built for them selves at a young age
You need to show a child consequences for there actions, so they cant blame other people when they do wrong
But im only 17 so what do I know 🤣🤣
@@shanemoran4145 I hear you man, I didn't come from much either, very absent family just like you, very troubled past. All I can say is keep going, life doesn't need to look perfect but just make it work, do what your good at, even if it doesn't make you a lot of money at first, don't let anyone tell you to get a cushy job you'll be miserable. I wish I had someone tell me that. It's kinda what I mean by the above quote, find what's right for you and go after it, life is short, especially when you've had a troubled past, do what makes you happy and what you're good at, don't settle, don't let others decide your direction in life
He never said that.
I appreciate that Joe flips his personality, stance, and world view depending on the guest. He has them on to get them to talk about what they REALLY believe internally, not just the face they give to the public. He's able to get to the heart of the guest and his questions are more for the person to clarify their position than for debate.
He could be argumentative with what he really believes or push his own agenda, but then he would be combative, controversial, and we (the viewer) may not watch his podcasts because we would either agree or not, like most other MSM "journalists" do.
Rogan isn't a journalist and thankfully so because he's still able to get his guests to show their colors without needing controversy to make headlines. And while I still don't agree with some of his guests positions, I appreciate the freedom to express their position to truly understand what they stand for, and not taking a bias journalists position on the individual.
That's a really good insight, i never would have thought of it that way before
ECP 03 yes, I appreciate that analysis. I have heard him say intelligent things and unintelligent things. But some of it is just trying to get the guest to relax and open up. But I have also heard him question some people’s subjective statements. Thanks!
Just so you know Tim is a complete socialist but PRETENDS to be a moderate but his OWN audience is conservative and he understands the position of conservatives but still talks about voting for tulsi or yang.
But can't he just stay neutral instead of agreeing with socialism with Bernie, then being against socialism with this guy...
@@stevend481 I don't think it's about agreeing. What I think is misunderstood about Joe Rogan is that he wants to understand the argument and point of view of the guest (whoever it may be).
So when if a guest does make a good argument/case for their ideology or belief, I interpret he "agrees" as his way of acknowledging that he "understands". And when he doesn't, or if he still doesn't see their "angle" on things, he questions or counters with his own examples to try to get them to flush their argument.
He did so with Rep. Crenshaw in a recent episode. Joe Rogan asking questions is a way for his guests to clarify their position, without judging them for holding that position. So, in essence, he is more neutral than other "hosts" or "journalists" in the field.
Joe Rogan hasn't hidden that he holds Liberal beliefs (I don't know how far etc), but I've never gotten the feeling from watching him interact with guests with very opposing viewpoints that he was judging them. Which is why he can have such a wide variety of guests on his show.
Peterson, Sanders, Shapiro, Ventura, military, professors, the Twitter lady, and I think one paleontologist (?). His kind of "open dialogue" is one reason why I watch whoever decides to come on, because each person gets a similar and (imho) fair treatment.
I can't say the same for any MMS, left or right. You can always "hear" the politics in the way they ask their questions, depending on what the topic is and who the guests are.
Loved his point about the blessings and importance of struggle, and how it builds good character... he put it a different way, that there “is a benefit from being dealt a shitty hand of cards” in typical Joe Rogan fashion! ♥️♥️♥️
Complete bullshit.
@@dowdallerno1 easy for you to say.
@@G1ennbeckismyher0 yea?
@@dowdallerno1 yep. Being rich doesn't guarentee an easy life. Rich kids who never see their parents go on to live a drug infested dystfunctional life that hurts everybody around them and posions their family tree downstream. Money isn't everything.
@@G1ennbeckismyher0 it's a lot better than being dirt poor.
The ad homs are crazy.
Funny how most of the arguments they ponder are id-pol arguments
Identity politics you mean? Or something else
"I don't take days off... EVER!... I took a day off yesterday."
Clayton Saint Cyr read this right as he said it
M J Grasscutter right? And it was immediate. I don’t take days off, I took a day off. It’s like which is it? Lmao
Makes sense to me.. he’s saying he typically doesn’t take time off BUT yesterday he did. Why is that hard to understand?
Wow, this quote is why people are easy targets for fake news. He literally said "I don't take days off ever, but I took off yesterday, had some bad sushi..." meaning he got sick from bad sushi and wasn't feeling well. Google the meaning for the word "CONTEXT".
@@CheesyChez421 Joe had Tim on twice. The first time he helped Joe understand the problems and implications of social media. The second time Joe had Tim on was to ask the questions he didn't ask when he had Jack Dorsey on his show because Joe got a lot of criticism why that interview failed miserably. Before then, Joe was supposed to have Tim on years ago after Tim did multiple on-the-ground reporting on Occupied Wall Street but Joe kept cancelling on Tim 3 separate times in a span of 3 years. The reason Joe keeps having Tim on is because Tim is a credible and trusted independent journalist who isn't afraid to back down or isn't beholden to corporate media. This fence riding joke has more integrity as a journalist than any TH-cam commenter will ever have which is why Joe respects Tim to have him on his show as much as possible. Tim literally saved Joe's ass from his own fan base even after Joe blew him off multiple times before the whole Twitter shitstorm interview with Jack Dorsey.
“Your vocation in life is where your greatest joy meets the world's greatest need.”
- Frederick Buechner
"I don't take a day off, ever! I took a day off yesterday."
You can see hin becoming motivational speaker in the future
I’d love to see a compilation of all the times he’s said that, cause I already count 2 times - this sushi time he speaks of in this episode and the day after the election cause he was exhausted. Just clarifying, I think it’s fantastic he takes days off, but he always prefaces that with “I never take days off”
They should define Socialism before talking about it
they are Americans. assertive, arrogant, fed with anti-socialist propaganda sins they where born... and about to learn a lesson in why work unions, social health care for all is a good thing. but my oh my will a lot of life's go away before they actually get their fucking head out of their asses and just maybe just maaaaybe admit that we in Europe have done it far better in general and should copy from us.
@@blueshue im an american and this to obvious, socialism has awesome benefits but everyone is so blind to it
blueshue 1989 You’re right. It’s the other people that are chauvinistic, obviously not you 😂😂
@@ACircadianRhythm Yeah great benefits like free gulags and state provided 'suicides' lmao. Name one time socialism has worked before. You might say "it hasn't been tried correctly" or "if only there were a different all powerful dictator it would be different" but no, that's no how it works. Failure is fundamental in a system where the government forces equal outcome.
@@coopergoss350 ha thats mere propaganda against socialism, neither USSR or China have even tried to implement communism they just use the word to hide their autocracy. Many countries in Europe have done a fine job implementing socialism into their capitalist societies. But in the end it is a system you are right would never truly work unless everyone had faith in it. Because if it were to work there would be no governing body to take advantage of its people, the people would sort themselves out instead of having a class of rulers
Fred Hampton said “We say we are not going to fight capitalism with black capitalism, but we are going to fight it with socialism.”
Smash like if you hate the new TH-cam update!
It's much better Keeps people away from comments on short videos!
What are you referring to? Must be a mobile thing.
I dont even know what the update is. Buttt..... If it's coming from Y.T. Im sure it's fu×÷ed !!
Yep. I love having my subscriptions feed turn into the recommended videos part. Smh, I have to refresh multiple times a day sometimes.
what update?
One of the largest apartment builders in the USA was not born into it, he started out selling sandwiches to fieldworkers from the back of his car. AG Spanos Company is the reward for his efforts.
And? For every case of someone "making it" I can find you 10 of people getting fucked over by poverty.
@@andrewjensen8189 so what? everybody can't obviously succeed. most of the people fail and die without amounting to anything and its fine
@@sten260 So what? People need to stop romanticizing the 0.00001% of people that actually go from zero to hero. 90% of rich people had rich parents, not poor ones. Its sad because stories like this commenter's are what leads the back-breakingly poor people to become complacent in their waiting for the American dream to "pick them".
@@andrewjensen8189 you do realize those 0.00001% people made it possible for you to have all that shit in your house? There are very few people who can build wealth. The whole point of capitalism is to move resources and money to those few individuals. So they can turn their 100 million into 200 million. 99% of population can't do that. If you give a million dollars to a random bloke on street, he is going to spend it on himself. He doesn't hire people to build new shit for us. So nobody benefits from it. If the government tax rich and gives it to the "poor" that means they literally destroy wealth. If you do that hard enough those rich people are gonna take their capital and leave the country. Then you are stuck with a bunch of poor workers and no capital. So you get Venezuela. Use some common sense...
@@sten260 You must have misinterpreted what I meant. The 0.000001% of people I was talking about NEVER statistically speaking make it into the top 10% of the wealthiest 3%, and it is that 10% of the 3% that you are speaking of which "build new shit for us". And I could easily offer a sound argument as for why/how the wealth accumulation among the richest has become obscene, and they realistically could continue innovating at the same rate while living extremely comfortable lives with a fraction of their income/overall wealth, but that isn't relevant to my og comment. All I was pointing out is that it is sad that so many lower class people buy up the rhetoric of "all rich people worked hard to get where they are, so all I have to do is apply myself in life and I will become successful". That rhetoric is just a mental band-aid created by the rich to keep the working class hopeful and efficient, and they cling to it so strongly now because with the wealth gap trending in the wrong way they need to believe in something that will calm them down. The fact is, that aside from a small handful of overnight billionaires, the majority of the super-rich are made up of generational wealth that was built in previous centuries in times where plunder, slavery and other illegitimate business practices generated incredible wealth that could (and would go on to) support the guilty families indefinitely.
Tim Pool is an anecdote Andy
sure thing Destiny fan
@@Austinpl0x I'm offended that you take me for a dirty neolib
@@St3v3Harv3ysBad ok you've got mere there Hasmod
"There's some studies and some research that came out..." I have to remember to use that one.
As long it's not made up and if these studies and research fall on fall on false conclusions, it's on those who don't believe it need to constantly challenge it based on studies and research that counter that conclusion. To simply just "use it" doesn't make it correct but takes on the assumption that it is correct. Diligence of pursuing the facts will always favor the debate over rhetoric or misuse of a fact finding theory that has no merit.
With how many researches done these days I wouldn't be surprised you can find a couple to support your idea. Although the integrity of publishers most of the time are questionable.
Yeah, just pulling dumb claims out of your ass when conversing with someone who won’t challenge it is a good idea for Tim. Beanie boy Tim simultaneously argues that socialists want to just strip the rich of their wealth and hate the rich yet also claims a majority of socialist ms are rich and white??? Yeah Che, Bolsheviks etc. the perfect picture of “the silver spoon” Tim is a hack, he can’t even actually discuss issues with socialism without making falsehoods or misunderstanding what socialism actually is.
Artistry Artistry one of the reasons Sam Seder owned him was that Pim Tool kept saying stuff like that and Sam would just say " Oh really? Lets look online right now for that research!" It didn't end well for Timmy
Hiruzen Sarutobi Nobody really understands what socialism is, except of course for the 20-28 year old white male urban hipster who feels bad for the blacks they just gentrified out of the city.
When you talk fast, people forget you didn't finish high school.
Billy Not Really sure explains a lot about this grifting asshole
+Billy Not Really +FUCKSAND (I'm being genuine) pls both correct me if I'm wrong, but is that necessarily a sign of basic intelligence? Are we assuming by default someone's smart ONLY bc of their qualifications?
The Novice
I take it more as a question of Tim’s critical thinking skills. I’ve watched many videos of his where he is talking about Bernie and he moves seamlessly into talking about SJWs, as if they are the same camp. He doesn’t even acknowledge that the SJW camp tried relentlessly to take down Bernie, and they succeeded. To him, left equals bad, regardless of their actual policy positions. And he wasn’t always like that. Again, poor critical thinking skills... although the same thing applies to Shapiro and he is a Harvard grad.
@@TheNoviceOAO Unfortunately, employers tend to think that way.
@@TheCommonS3Nse theres a critical thinking series by the commenter David pakman, where he explains logical fallacies, recorded yrs ago. I feel like watching that now, been trying to be more critical case by case instead of just dismissing a side as SJW or Something-is or phobe. Thanks for the input, you reminded me to go watch stuff like that 👍 ☺
"People who are socialists are all white." Ignores the Black Panthers, MLK, Malcom X, Boots Riley, Angela Davis, Kwame Ture, W.E.B. Dubois, Sandanistas, Cuban Revolution, Zapatista Movement, and on and on.....
most socialists then. Happy? do you understand generalizations yet?
it was obviously was a generalization, i think we all know that it’s not all white ppl but it’s the majority
@@admiralMcmufin Vietnam and China before they became capitalist. Thomas Sankara in Africa. Socialism is an anti imperialist doctrine. The majority of socialists have been nonwhite!!! You also have the teachings of Christ a Middle Eastern Jew. I can keep going...
@@justinboyd8383 you sure you want to back a guy who condoned ethical ownage of slaves? Render unto Ceasar? That sound socialist to you? What even is your non argument? socialism is an anti logic doctrine. And the vast majority of socialists in functioning non socialist societies are still overwhelmingly white. JUSTIN. lmao white Boyd.
Not all the people you listed are socialist.
What's called immoral for the poor and savvy for the rich?
Socialism
"The rich are socialist!"
"The rich own too much personal property and are not taxed enough"
Pick *ONE*
FrankDaTank1218
Instructions unclear, now fucking a blender
FrankDaTank1218 did you confuse yourself on this one buddy?
@@SammyBooy2814 what are you, stupid?
Socialists complain the rich have socialism but the poor can't, they also complain about the rich making way more money than everyone and having way too much private property due to capitalist endeavors...which is the antithesis of socialism.
You're too fucking smug to realize you're the stupid one...buddy.
Honestly, when we don't have to talk about people being forced to sleep in tents under bridges and avoiding Healthcare at all costs because of bills, then we can talk. Sure, struggle builds character, but there's no reason we shouldn't be starting from a better base.
If you live in the US then congratulations, you have a better "base" than the vast majority of people who EVER lived.
@@DTRU122283 "be thankful for pharmaceutical companies stealing your money, because you could be starving in Africa" only in America can this level of stupidity flourish
@@DTRU122283 What a moronic argument. The vast majority of the world has a better "base" than the vast majority of people who ever lived. Barring maybe the most isolated native tribes in the world, things like penicillin, basic antibiotics, basic education and shelter are available everywhere in the world.
@@lukaszmarzec1226 Yea thats a really dumb statement that you completely made up.. Has nothing to do with what I said.
@@bartholen You completely miss the point yet call the argument moronic... Funny.. Yes, if you live today you have a better base than anyone in the past. The comment was that if you live in the US you have a better base than most people period. Past or present. Congratulations, you live in the US which automatically puts you in the "upper class" globally. His argument is that we should have a better "base", yet does not acknowledge we have the best "base" ever.
"Perseverance is the most important thing" Totally, just go to South East Asia and watch the population at large do manual labour 12 hours a day 6 days a week until they die poor... They definitely persevere...
@tlessmo Plenty of places in Southeast Asia are capitalist democracies. The overwhelming majority of people in Southeast Asia do not have the opportunity to leave them countries. It is only rich people who immigrate from them countries into the United States. As they are already rich and quite likely well educated, then they are going to be very successful in this country.
That perseverance under a different setting, like in the West and they excel. He might not be correct about 3rd world countries but i dont think that was the focus of the chat...
@tlessmo Yeah, just immigrate! That's definitely not something that is hated by a massive chunk of the population of every first world country. The USA is always bringing in foreign farmers and laborers who demonstrate a can-do attitude!
@tlessmo They barely have enough money for food and water. How would they afford to immigrate?
Poor, but less poor than before. The same applied to Western-Europeans and Northern-Americans half a century ago.
"It hasn't worked because it hasn't been done by me." - Arrogant College Students.
No, thats just a moronic Canadian professor.
Every socialist/commuist under the sun can tell you that it didn't work because of constant terrorism and economical and political sabotage US engaged in towards the socialist states.
And any reasonable socialist/communist would tell you that it worked incredibly well driven the circumstances.
I grew up in a working class family and now I'm upper middle class. And I'm a socialist. Also not white. I don't understand these stereotyping politics that many Americans do.
Because it's easier to reduce your ideological targets to tilt at them, ot isn't just a US thing or a conservative thing either.
Y O J I M B O banker
Wuhan Virus yeah because people in Scandanavian countries are all standing in lines and baking bread LOL
All these people trying to define socialism from an ultra right wing perspective is amusing, any society by it's very nature has some form of socialism, an army is a socialist construct as is a fire brigade or police force... fancy privatising those next? "I'm sorry your insurance only covers rape and murder you have reported a burglary" any pure ideologically driven system is doomed to fail a mixed economy is the best thing, covering the essential things on a social (or socialist) level and privatising everything else.. where that line is drawn and what is defined as essential should be the point of the arguement
Y O J I M B O I’m a dude lol. And single. I do donate more than my fair share to the poor. Is it so hard to believe that there are people who would rather give a bigger portion of their paycheck for the greater good of everyone?
Joe talks according to his guests ideology ..proved again
I think that's how he gets his guests to open up, that and the ganja
Well hes. CIA agent so it's not like joe is actually trying
Obviously you didn't actually listen to the conversation in this video because if you did there was so many times that Joe didn't agree with Tim in just this clip alone.
Is that a bad thing?
@@riopato2009 What did he disagree with?
Joe "Bob Dylan" Rogan
B. Wainscot where did this come from? I’m not complaining sometimes it can be funny (not often) but every jre video has tons of these comments
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I work at a Wendy’s right now. Before this I worked at McDonald’s. It took me a year to realize that it doesn’t matter who you are. If you can control your emotions and act professional any business will let you climb there ladder. But if you can be driven about literally anything at all, then you can accomplish anything you want. Any time that I ever wanted more from my job I got it by simply trying a little harder. My goal in life is to do what I enjoy for the rest of my life. Ive realized almost anything you can do from enjoyment can be done for money. Especially here in America and first world countries. I’m 19 and i know that instead of wasting time and money on college I can save my money and then buy the equipment I need to do the thing that I enjoy but for money. I want to do wood working and carpentry. I know that I can make money from making and selling things made from wood but the difference between this being a hobby that makes me some extra cash and an actual business is that I invest the money I make into making more products which in turn makes more money. And aside from just simply putting money into it if I become exceedingly good at it I could be making a lot of money from just one project. And on top of that I can do what you do with this TH-cam channel. And that is simply making a for of entertainment. But not only would I be entertaining people I would also be getting paid for it. A lot of people my age don’t understand that to be successful you have to know what you want and how to get it. And if for some reason you can’t get it in your current state you must change your perspective and only after taking a look at yourself in that new perspective will you be able to understand why it is you can get what you want. I’ve found this applies to happiness as well. If I’m having a hard time being happy or controlling my emotions or basically anything related to my mental state then I’ll take a step back and think about it as if I wasn’t myself. I think about it as if I was someone else and Im listening to them explain the problems to me and then I do my best to offer advice and help. This is something that I do unconsciously now because I’ve been doing it for so long. And just to clarify I don’t actually see myself as a different person. I was just using that as a way to help you understand exactly what I mean. Joe I really wish you would let me be on your podcast man.
Your not the first nineteen y/o to think they have the world figured out.
The older you get the more you realize you don’t know 💩
The universe gave you one mouth, but two ears, your supposed to listen twice as much as you talk 😏
@@rdh1429 bro ur like 16. You have no room to speak. Stop trynna act like you know more lmao😂😂 mister “listen twice as much as you talk” should really stop talking😂😂 like did you think you’re giving me some sort of advice I haven’t already heard? You sound like just another 30 some year old dude that thinks he has life figured out just because he’s older. Stop being a dipshit and going around acting like you know better trying to tell kids online how they should think. You don’t know shit and you should probably go read more books.
@@rdh1429 you really thought you made some real slick comment tho😂😂 like bro take your own advice and don’t respond to peoples comments.😂😂😂
@@GottablastJimbo ignore the naysayers, you have your mind in the right place
@@GottablastJimbo Glad to see yong people with an understanding of what it takes. I hope you had continued making strides towards the goal as I realize your first comment is 2 years old. Something else to consider is also working for someone who has much more woodworking skills than yourself. Even if its at a loss (less than your making now) You can learn so many skills and techniques that you can't anywhere else without paying someone to learn those skills.
“I dont take days off, ever!....I took a day off yesterday”
I work 1 hour per day.
It was incredibly strange
If you listened it was cause he had bad sushi
J NO I watch al fair bit of his stuff... he must be a hella busy guy idk how he puts out as much content as he consistently does.... not saying its incredibly complicated by I couldnt keep his pace for a week.
Just because it's the first of may I will respond to this. Tim Pool's concept of socialism is a bit off, he keeps looking back to the individual.
Socialism doesn't ignore the individual, it just points out that some "collective problems" can not be resolved by looking at the individuals.
For example the waste management and recycling. All individuals can be motivated to recycle and try to avoid as much waste as they possibly can.
But in the end you will need socialist sollutions to such a collective problem.
Make water clean, safe and accessible in every home from the sink. That's a socialist sollution... vs pushing 100% recycable water-bottles wich is a neo-liberal (fake)attempt to a sollution, but in the end it isn't a sollution but makes the problem bigger and more complex.
So socialism asks the question with every issue? Is this a collective problem or not? If so, does it need a collective sollution? If not, good...then we do not need collective sollutions.
Yeah, i'm white and male. I have an education. But it doesn't come because my grandfather earned peanuts in the coalmine in Belgium. It's so that in Belgium we implemented a lot of socialist sollutions to existing problems. Education, Healthcare, Unemployement, and the list goes on. (Lessons from WWII were learned). My father got his high school degree and worked as a mechanic, he was in his turn in a postion to let his sons (and daughters) go to college. I do not agree that this route was possible for my families (and all the families in our mining-community) to climb the social ladders over generations without: single payer healthcare, low-cost education (incl college and university), job security, wage security (wages are linked to inflation), etc.
And still within this social democracy, people can still go skyrocket if they exceptional talents, skills, etc. Socialism doesn't hold them back.
Not looking for an argument, but just pointing out that you can have "socialist" functions in a capitalistic republic. Fire departments, government run infrastructure, pharmaceutical regulations. However, the issue becomes where you draw the line. My problem with socialism is that people claim that socialism is somehow morally superior to capitalism when in reality it is based on coercion. That's just the simple truth. Whether you like socialism or not, taking from some and giving to others through force, is coercion. If you're fine with that, okay, cool. I'm not though.
I personally think that having a healthy, free market economy, with limited/decentralized government, a strong emphasis on the individual, family, and community, and a safety net for those who fall on hard times, is ideal. This would be something akin to if Switzerland and Singapore had a love child.
@@johnginter145 Honestly I think you guys are suggesting pretty similar things. Both models allow for individualism.
@@michaeldonodeo1693 Yeah totally. I mean, from a different approach though. That's why I said I'm not looking for an argument, just looking at it differently. I prefer things leaning more towards capitalism and republicanism than socialism.
@@johnginter145 yeah so basically social democracy. Yay! It works indeed. It's not perfect but it can be improved and it's not nearly as broken and corrupted as some other types of systems e.g. the US.
@@Draclord35 Just to be clear, I'm not a socialist by any stretch of the imagination. I do believe that the current road that the US is on is a troubling one though. The primary reason for this is because large corporations and big government have gotten into bed with one another. This creates a hostile economic environment for many small and medium sized businesses and goes against capitalism in the sense that lobbying and special interest groups can wiggle their way into the political framework and remove/hinder any competition. I mean, the current coronavirus shutdown is going to exasperate this even more so. Although big businesses are feeling some hurt, they are not going under like all the local mom and pop stores.
My problem with the political/business framework is that, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We need, as a country, to stand up to special interest groups and establish term limits for Congress members. More emphasis should also be placed on state and local communities to govern and manage themselves without federal interference.
That being said, a social framework that can help those who fall on hard times, is key to a functioning modern society. I don't think, however, that it should be the "be all, end all" solution. Welfare and social nets should only be relied on after an individual cannot rely on themselves, their family, or their community first and foremost. This requires a shift in both policy and mentality. It seems to me, that many of us think that the government is the answer to many of our questions and problems, when in reality, it shouldn't be. Or, at least, shouldn't be where we turn to first.
"There is a TED talk about it"
Well there we go. All is proven
Probably verifiable from other sources
Perseverance or GUTS
TED is Scientology.
Nice hill to die on
The deep thinker felt it important enough to mention it twice. Hehehehe. Can't wait for his first book.
They left out self discipline, even though they actually talked about that without mentioning it.
Discipline is easily confused because it has numerous meanings. Self-restraint is essential to build endurance.
Tim “it’s on a Ted talk” Pool
Word
The only source of legitimate information higher than a Ted talk is a tedx talk.
Source: a tedx talk.
@@evanislost sam hyde proves that
man that was the most off the road discussion about socialism. half way through i just checked the title again to remind myself what it was originally about.
@@user-br2dw8no4r thanks dad
T your son is retarted
Tim Poole: You know else they noticed? The people all around them were white”. *awkward pause*
Lmfaooo
Who is "they" & "them" Tim is referring to? "they" &"them" are the rich kids who are socialists that Joe was talking about. Context in Tim's question matters. "they ' & "them" are the rich kids who don't understand the real implications of socialism because "they"& "them" have no clue how the real world works in their social bubble which frankly in most situations are white kids. Those who aren't white but rich are usually surrounded by whites with similar ideologies that prop these non-whites up in supporting their thinking. The point Tim was making was the promotion of racial politics to subvert the bias of race in order to promote socialism. In other words they use racism as a means to propagandize the ideology. Let's get real, rich people are going to hang with rich people no matter what color they are.
@@CheesyChez421 His point is probably that a lot of these SJW clowns are self loathing rich white people and thats the season the anti white hate a lot of SJWs have.
I have a feeling that must people who are heavily involved in politics are mostly upper class white people , not just the socialists,
Happy to be proved wrong, but I don't recall seeing many non-white people in ANTIFA and socialist protests. Majority of them are all upper-middle-class kids with no understanding of the world.
Right wingers sure know when is the right time to become suddenly anti white.
13 years ago, i came to this country with my family with nothing (about $300) , as a family, we worked extremely hard to be where we are, never asked for welfare, little by little got a couple of houses, graduated from college, recently started my own business. then there's people who are being lazy with a victimized mentality, all they want is money handed it to them, am i supposed agree with that?
Absolutely not, your family came here with the perseverance and drive to make your way in America. Not just have it handed to You. There is a class in our socio-economic system that have made a living for generations in some cases, of living off the govt and then complain that they are being held by a glass ceiling. There are alot of people in this country that have forgotten their roots are the same as yours, but their roots were planted over a 100 years ago. There's a dichotomous irony there. The same people who came here with nothing and built up a good life for themselves and their family and are more worried about immigrants than they are of citizens who live off the govt. And that can be spun in alot of ways, but keep in mind the govt will always make money and keep their pwr grab and always will win.
Tim: I work 4 hours a day
Joe: that's not a lot
Tim: oh but that's like 10 hours of research for that 4 hours
I wonder if he was referring to billable hours vs actual hours he works.
There's not way in hell Tim spends 10 hours researching. I give him 1 hour, tops
10 hours of researching, still can't come up with a better source than the daily mail
@@nickthomas7844 lol
10 hours for 1.5 HOURS of content he said. At this point it became VERY OBVIOUS HOW LITTLE Joe has seen of tims youtube channels. If you watch him you'll see he doesn't have a life outside of his work.
everything Tim says is invalid until he removes his cap and shows the world his beautiful bald head.
Noooooooo it's the Beanie Nation! A cultural icon! He must have it at all times or the world will implode!
Everything he says is invalid with or without his cap , he is a pseudo intellectual
@@DodZz666 Ok boomer.
I've just googled it. No wonder he has a hat.
He already posted pic's of himself without the Beanie years ago.
The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money
IDK. You have no clue about socialism. I doubt you read anything
@@dddeadlift I don't think you understand economics really well because if you did you wouldn't be socialist.
@@dddeadlift In socialist society basically everything you work for or worked for isn't yours, you basically just give all your money and success to the government and then the government hands the money out to people who don't work, so nobody becomes successful and at the end of the day nobody wants to work anymore and the rich pack their bags and leave the country so where is the money gonna come from if nobody works and the rich who own the major companies and businesses leave
IDK. Damn I have No Energy for your stupidity - you win. Good luck. U will go places.
@@dddeadlift Ok👌🏻,you call me stupid but you have no valid argument to why socialism is good
I wonder when they start talking about socialism. Oh nvm, they never do.
Yeah ikr
Thank you for saving me 17 min
Are you kidding me? The entire discussion is dissecting different facets of perserverence and acquiring success for yourself instead of expecting it to be handed to you. "Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps"; The very essence of capitalism; the very thing that these young socialists have convinced themselves is impossible. They go on to explore different examples and the values neccessary for success.
Just because your attention span isn't capable of maintaining a grasp on the context of the conversation doesn't mean it isn't there.
But if you're that impatient, start at 16:59
@Zack Macdowell agreed.
Though let's agknowledge that a capitalist society is capable of incorporating selective social policies and benefitting strongly from it... providing the temperament of the populace can tolerate such a thing. And unlike nordic countries, we are certainly not capable of such.
Widespread mental illness, dogmatic hatred of government and adherence to anarchy. The steadily growing population compared to places like Norway or even Canada. The constant presence of animosity toward the very system your taxes go to. So much so that, for example, people by the masses condoning the abuse of the welfare state in secret.
We certainly are not capable of handling many "social" policies as of yet. Maybe we never will at a certain density of population.
Not until we all remember how to socialize properly with our fellow human again.
And I'd imagine that at this point, the only things that could trigger such a shift are the same things it always ends up being:
Destruction..
Anarchy..
Indifference and profound callousness..
Foolish division..
Tragedy and suffering.
How ironic...
We humans are so predictably stupid.
Darkseany “Socialize properly...”
You mean to make everybody think the same way?
Imagine if genetics followed your plan...we would all still be simple proteins all doing the EXACT same thing.
The problem isn’t that we are different. The problem is that we don’t understand the power of difference. It is how things are different that gives value to anything or to power change.
Voltage differentials give us electrical energy in our neurons as well as our electronics. Chemical potentials are the effect of different electron energy states. Differences in ideas is what drives innovation. The differences in the information gathered by each eyeball is what provides us depth perception.
No. The problem isn’t our differences. The problem is our inability to communicate our differences in a useful manner. It’s the communication that we fail in, and we are failing even harder. Cancel Culture is anathema to communication, and that’s why society is the way it is today.
Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well.
Robert Louis Stevenson
What if the dealer is in collusion with 2 ppl at the table? Then it really doesn't matter what hand you're dealt. That's the "life" we're in right now.
Not coming at you personally, I was just going to use the same card example.
Just saying that I think that
The quote he was trying to say. I agree ...in most situations the game is rigged. House usually wins
I think it's better to focus on the possibility rather than the obstacles. That's just a personal opinion though.
That sounds very defeatist, just accepting the rigged system and implying the solution is to BS and Con your way out poverty
I just want the corporate bailouts and executive bonuses to continue, so just put whoever will make sure that happens in charge. Oh, it's either candidate? Cool, then I don't need to vote.
DaytonDailyFail I think they should stop bailing out companies and just let them fail. Let people lose their jobs and all their money.
@@choadcityusa they're both right. To let all companies just told is naive and short-sightedness, but to keep bailing out failing businesses without extremely strict stipulations that protect workers is corrupt and greedy (for politicians).
@@dereksbooks letting the companies fail is actually more painful in the short run and beneficial in the long run. The problem with bailing out companies is we remove the keystone to free market enterprise: RISK. I would definitely run my company in a more reckless manner if I knew I was being backed by tax payers.
The real issue is FIAT currency, and the idea that aggregate demand and quantitative easing actually creates a sound economy.
@@CD-zg4tj bad businesses deserve to fail, period.
These guys bring up socialism and immediately start talking about identity politics...
They did that because the profile of socialist Americans is not what socialists would anticipate. They think they're helping the poor underprivileged minorities, but it is actually a an upper class perspective, which happens to be white.
Just propaganda talking points
@@phil5037 There is no real evidence of that beyond preconceived feelings. Even if it were, them having an "upper class" and "white" perspective says nothing about whether it would actually help the poor.
@@phil5037 How exactly are we using the term "socialist" though? I brought up their discussion of race and identity because it seemed like they were discussing SJWs and people with white guilt as if they are the "socialist types." They ignored the fact that there is a huge difference between being socially progressive and actually being a socialist. I'm not sure were you and Tim Pool found this study but It sounds like you’re talking about neoliberals and corporate democrats.
@@Mattwashere2013 I believe I can help clarify. Socialism is on it's face an identity politics issue: the nature of the divide is those who have and those who have not. While at first glance it may seem devoid of the rabbit hole that is I.P. due to the lack of race/sex/religious contention being strictly necessary in a socialist system, there is still tension and conflict between two Identities (as I referrerd to them; haves and have nots.) I hope you read this in the spirit it was intended.
Godspeed
The fact that 2100 people disliked this is kinda scary to me.
Why
Because disliking TH-cam videos takes zero effort and you don’t have to answer for it or explain it
@@jessiewalker8547 I could explain it if you want
@@jessiewalker8547 first off, no the Nazis weren't socialist.
Again, no. I disliked the video because they didn't even talk about socialism but rather a stupid caricature of a socialist. Not to mention Joe Rogan is more leftie, but is talking crap on lefties because of his guest
@@Reedskiii
Believing that you must agree with your "side" on every issue and never criticize it on anything is exactly what is wrong with this country.
"Not every little girl can do what she wants. The world cannot support that many ballerinas."
-Marie, Mad Men
But if only 5% get a chance, then we don't get the best ballerinas
@@YungHexxa at what stage are only 5% getting a chance though? If only 5% get a shot at the national ballet that could just mean the rest failed and gave up before that
This. Has. Nothing. To. Do. With. SOCIALISM. Jeez these comments are dumb.
I hope that show was set in the 20s because no little girl wants to be a ballerina now
@@jacksonthesyndicalist2771 Sorry I didn't explain. Joe & friend stresses perseverance and you'll make it.
I disagree - more often, people need to self reflect, learn how to fail and move on. Naysayers suck but staying in the sunk cost of aspirations for decades does more harm than good
“I don’t take days off ever! I had a day off yesterday and I didn’t work today.”
To his credit ... it's a sick day off not just a break .
خالد الوليد His day off might have been sick, I don’t know how good it was
Said someone who doesn't work half as much.
So what AOC was referring to in regards to the phrase "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is the _original intended meaning of the phrase_ itself, which was more along the lines of “to try to do something completely absurd."
Here's a description I pulled from some article, but you can verify the info yourself:
Etymologist Barry Popik and linguist and lexicographer Ben Zimmer have cited an American newspaper snippet from Sept. 30, 1834 as the earliest published reference to lifting oneself up by one’s bootstraps. A month earlier, a man named Nimrod Murphree announced in the Nashville Banner that he had “discovered perpetual motion.” The Mobile Advertiser picked up this tidbit and published it with a snarky response ridiculing his claim: “Probably Mr. Murphree has succeeded in handing himself over the Cumberland river, or a barn yard fence, by the straps of his boots.”
“Bootstraps were a typical feature of boots that you could pull on in the act of putting your boots on, but of course bootstraps wouldn’t actually help you pull yourself over anything. If you pulled on them, it would be physically impossible to get yourself over a fence. The original imagery was something very ludicrous, as opposed to what we mean by it today of being a self-made man.”
@ uhh...yeah. It is.
www.dailywire.com/news/watch-aoc-says-its-physically-impossible-to-pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps
Took from the daily fucking wire to hopefully reveal the motivated reasoning you're using to yourself.
My god, these right wingers are so fucking dumb. It's so clear that the phrase was invented as something that is not possible to do. The fact that some people succeed despite starting with very little does not mean the origin of the phrase is now different. Just wow. How does this world continue to function with such massive numbers of ignoramuses.
Vaush gang?
@ it was, you brain dead 40 IQ NPC tick. Get BTFO'd.
@@slinkingslug Get Vaush on Rogan
“I don’t take days off ever... I took a day off yesterday. Bad sushi” 😂😂😂
right at the end when he says "we work for each other" my mind went straight to Rick & Morty... where's my flugel crank
razdower Son of a bitch, I’m in!
“That sounds like slavery with extra steps”
I’m ready to Jan Micheal my Vincent
Tim has the opposite problem, All work and no play makes a dull boy!
Going to work himself to death for what?
Need to relax and enjoy life from time to time, Not just work non stop.
It appears you can't even fathom enjoying a job.
My problem with Tim Pool is how much he smells his own farts and talks about how hard and often he works with no breaks. All the time.
Tim literally has the economic accumen of a seventh grader
Nah that would be socalist.
PC GameBoy 😂
See India’s socialist Path it was miserable
@Eren Yeager better than India RIGHT NOW
@Eren Yeager Yes
My dad was a auto mechanic all of his life, my mom worked at a union carbide factory. My upbringing taught me a lot, work for what you have. Do what's right, the rest will take care of itself.
9:33 "I don't take days off ever...I took a day off yesterday."
In the previous podcast, Pool said: "I don't block people. I block some people."
Because he had bad sushi. Pay attention.
Tim is good at saying a generalization one moment and a specific exception the next without specifying. It doesn't bother me, but I can see why people tease him for it or get confused.
..but it is LITERALLY impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. It's not physically possible.
...but its a metaphor.
dogfart nice name
@@dogfart2485 She was pointing out how big of a fallacy that metaphor is. The saying "to pull oneself up by one's bootstraps" was already in use during the 19th century as an example of an impossible task.
Bro bro it is a metaphor. Your sound dumb as fuck like AOC about this. Go out for a while and get off your monitors
@Brady Productions lolol funniest thing I've ever heard. Who is Alex Jones? Never heard of that politician. AOC is a disgrace. She all of a sudden gets accents when around black people. She thinks it's immagrants are drinking out of the toilet instead of the sink above it. Lol. So smart. She denied Amazon on her district which would have given thousands of workers middle income wages. Super smart. She's a loser. Let me guess you think Trump is a Nazi?
We pay taxes, we should expect stuff from someone we are paying. smh
There is no we. You shouldn't speak for anyone but yourself.
You aren't paying "someone" your money is taken from you at threat of imprisonment to fund government jobs, programs, and whatever social experiments they fancy at the moment
@@flynnparish9833 Then get out of my country. Quit being a leech and stop using OUR roads and enjoying OUR economy. Get out if you truly believe you're supposed to remain independent from society.
We don’t pay; taxation is theft.
@@edurado1996 Then don't pay taxes? You do know you can choose not pay your taxes and go to jail? Or leave the country and go live in the wilderness away from civilization?
As someone who has alot of talents, and grew up with supportive parents whom are both successful financially due to being hardworking people, as well as intelligent ones, I have something to say. Talent means very little.
It really sucks when you know that your are smarter and more talented than the person standing next to you, but they outdid you because they put more work in. It's really easy to start hating yourself, because on paper, there's no way you can lose, which means that you had to have failed about as much as you possibly could have, or that you maybe even failed intentionally. And here's the thing, failure is unavoidable, regardless of who you are. For the people that have the natural advantage, failure can be especially difficult to accept, and it can destroy you.
lol who said you have a lot of talents? your mommy?
@@deathlarsen7502 absolutely based
One of the dumbest things I heard during this CCP quarantining is when people are mad at farmers for dumping milk or slaughtering animals yet no one seems to understand how many different industries are involved
Joe “I used a camcorder while I sparred” Rogan
Hahahahaha literally just read this as he’s saying it, that’s awesome!
reminds me of napoleon dynamites uncle ha ha ha
Three things for the perfect career: what the world needs, what you’re good at, what you enjoy.
(you didn't need to use brackets)
@@WillyJunior (they are called parenthesis) :)
@@seanreynoldscs Not in England where the English language is from. In England it's brackets. But that still doesn't explain why you used them.
Billy Buttlord ha ha touché
Billy Buttlord I used them because when you leave an obvious mistake people correct the mistake but gloss over the idea without questioning it. ;)
Marx himself was the child of an upper middle class family who was very generous with his family's money, to such an extent they had to cut him off, lest he waste what was supporting his mother and siblings.