The first time I heard a friend play his Les Paul through a MK3, my jaw dropped. The first time I plugged my strat into a JCM 800, I didn't want to stop playing. This video going back and forth and then combining the 2 is - for lack of a better word - sick! Awesome!
There was a "Tone Talk" interview with Bob Rock where he went into great detail about the sound of Metallica's Black Album, that it was many layered multitracks of Mark 3's and a modded JCM800, for the chunkiness and gain of the Mark 3 but the midrange of the 800 mixed in.
@@Tomcat82 No problem :). I'm not sure if TH-cam will let me link the Tone Talk video, but I'll just include the title and you can search it yourself: "Ep. 73 - Bob Rock! Legendary Music Engineer/Producer with Pete Thorn as Guest-Co-Host". He starts talking about the black album around 20.54 and the way they positioned mics. At 1.57.12 he talks about the two amps. I'm probably missing some more clips of where he talks about it (it's a looong interview) but I would still recommend just watching the whole thing if you're really curious.
Found it. Thank you. It's interesting that Bob Rock said the Mark III (and not the IIC+) was not only used on TBA, but that it was Hetfield's main amp, too. That makes me suspect Bob Rock is misremembering the amp in question because Hetfield has never been known to use a Mark III, and there's also no video or photographic evidence that shows a Mark III was ever even present inside One on One Studios with Metallica; only the Mark IIC+ (along with a Mark IV that sat unused). Earlier in the same interview, Rock stated that John Sykes was the best guitarist he'd ever worked with. John Sykes was a big Mark III player. I suspect that's where Rock's memory of a Mark III may have come from.
Dude... Thank god for your straight forward approach. No IR's, just the real deal, & its always definitive. Every guy that demos amps into IR's, has them all sounding the same. IR's cannot pickup nuance, they are a SIMULATION.
I have a Mark iii I bought in high school. Love that amp to this day. Used it for jazz band in school then used the same rig to jam with my friends after school haha
Just the video I was looking for. It's nice to compare them in the same video as well. Also this is pretty interesting in a historic perspective. Both of them together absolutely slays!
Such a nostalgic sound for me! I was born and lived in Petaluma where they make Boogies, and I worked at EMG in my early 20s and we all played that gear back in the day. The Bay Area was a completely different sound and vibe to Los Angeles. LA was definitely a Marshall town. Metallica moved from LA to the Bay Area because Cliff Burton said he would join them if they moved, and soon Kirk was in the band. Cliff and Kirk were both Bay Area dudes and the Boogies came in the picture when they all got up here. I'm pretty sure Dave Mustaine never played Boogies.
Dave did play GK 2100SELs for a time. Those aren't easy to find! I know, I've been looking. But I'm glad Dave didn't play Mesas because he got his own very identifiable tone that way. Dave kind of pushed Marshall tone in a new direction. He sounded like nobody else at that time.
Unlike the Rectifier, the Mark series amps do have ample mid-range. It's just that their mid-range is a lot brighter than Marshall. They cut through the mix better than Marshall amps though.
Right? Those active tone controls are definitely not easy compared to the Marshall EQ, which pretty much does nothing (and always sounds great). I had that problem with the MK IIb never being able to get it to work. Maybe it would be different now that I'm more patient.
I have a problem with figuring any of my amps to this day...because I wake up every morning with different and ideal "sound" in my head lol But aren't we all? That's why we are here...guitar junkies :-D
Really nice blended sound! A trick I use with my 2205 is to put a Boss EQ in the effect loop. The new digital one has a lot of control, but the GE7 will work fine. Also, this is the place to put a noise gate pedal.
I had a blue stripe Mark III loaded widebody head for just a little while. I really wish I could have afforded to keep it but I bought it to flip for a profit and I did exactly that. But it was the MOST bonecrushing beast of an amp I've ever owned. I would buy it back in a heartbeat! Its smooth and controllable form of savagery is unequalled by any other amp in that genre of guitar tone. Much as I like the Marshall, too, the Mark III wins this comparison quite easily. But blended together, that makes the two sound better together than either by itself.
Johan having WAY to much FUN !! 😂.. this was awesome!! 🤘 I recently inherited a MKIII Green stripe. I have yet to even plug it in.. Now im excited to. Thanks Johan! Cheers 🍻
I love this. Right now i mix a very jcm800 sounding Laney cub head and a little Blackstar on the "mesa setting" its a small ht-1 combo, so i can use a aby switcher into a 212 v30 stereo cab or just the Laney on one side trough the cab and the small HT-1 on the other side. Pretty close to this on lower volume. thanks Johan :) great as always. Have a great weekend :)
Marshalls for me for that huge spacious tone for that classic heavy rock and big chords. Mesa for tight metal bands where you layer the tracks and want to have it tight and heavy and fast as possible.
Nice demo...I bought a MK2 in 1980...had to pick it up at the airport freight terminal back then!...later,a MK2B and then Simul-Class MK3...they lost me on the Mark lV...just didn't rock enough...the Boogie and Marshall sounded epic together
it is interesting that every mesa mk3 I have listened to has a different sound. They all have the same basic bones and you can dial up a myriad of tones but each one has seemed quite individual. Nice to see you finally got around to a mk3. I would love to see more of your audio experiments with one.
Great comparison, these are really metal sounding! Blended together they are very heavy and wonderful. My opinion the Boogie amp has a tighter low end and the Marshall has a more defined high end especially playing the higher strings for chording. I remember once the Dual Rectifier amps came out in the early 90s a lot of the metal players jumped over to those. The Mk3 Boogies were popular with just about every genre of music back in the 80s, I still know players that are using them for heavy metal stuff and even hardcore music. Thanks for sharing, Johan and have a great weekend!
Wow what a great idea. Together they sound glorious. Also love it when you brought in the drum kit. Have you done a vid on how you get THAT great sound? 😉
Last time I recorded I did a blended mix of running my guitar through both an 800 and MkIII! Love the mix. I have the red stripe version and love the blend with w a 2204 or 4212 (which I believe is the same circuit as 2205)
Awesome Johan! Didn't expect a MK III to appear a couple days after I suggested it. I've had an '89 green stripe for 27 years & will Never $ell it. I'm curious how U had the knobs set, because it didn't sound as *chunky* as it could. Also, U should try it thru that Mesa Thiele cabinet.. \m/
I had a Rectoverb-25 and a DSL-20 that I ran into a stereo 4×12" cab. Talk about a fat sound!!! Unfortunately I had to sell one to pay for my dog's emergency surgery. Oddly enough, I sold the Mesa. There's just something about that Marshall sound... A young Metalhead bought the Mesa so I was happy that it went to someone who would cherish it for what it is. Oh yeah, great video as always man!!! 🤘🤘🤘Killer riffage🤘🤘🤘
The rhythm was iic+ or iic++ simul-class, meaning el34 + 6l6 power tubes simultaneously, so it's kind of like class A combined with el34 tube marshalls like in this video. the solos were slaved through the jcm800 power section and not simul-class.
Nice job, Johan- I always enjoy your videos. You certainly get your hands on some damn fabulous gear. I’ve been wondering when you were going to get some Boogies on here- glad to see it. Mark IIIs are great, but if you want holy grail Boogie tone, do one on a C+. I’ve owned a bunch of each and the C+ definitely lives up to the hype. Cheers, brother!🤘🏻
Johan. There are three clean tones in my opinion. Fender Hiwatt and Carlsbro (TR100) . They are in tube land the most distinct clean sounds. Love to hear a comparison on that topic.
Wow Johan that was an approach to listening I haven’t tried yet. There is a difference in percussive experience of the amps. Marshall has a tight percussive experience of your playing. The Mesa had less headroom experience of the percussive playing. I expect your settings on reverb to be equal. Great demo, Tak Johan
There's also bands like Anthrax which used both JCM 800's and Mesa Boogie's (I could be wrong, but I think '87-'88 Testament used a similar amp combination around the same time). And holy crap, that mes+marshall tone is absolutely massive!
In the thrash metal area the Mesa Boogie mk3 wins by per se, with the Jcm800 you need an extra push given by boost pedals such super overdrive, Tubescreamer or similar ones to achieve the same sound, cheers Johan!
The Mark is surely tighter and more scooped, while the JCM sounds more open and a bit "flubby" on the bass notes. Different architectures, different flavours...it's a matter of taste, as usual. Anyway, I love both my MarkIIC and my Silver Jubilee :-) Great video, Johan!
@@fretbuzz59 surely is, I have a Mark IIC since 1994 and I know the differences between using the graphic eq or not. Actually, when I play it, I prefer to turn the graphic eq off....probably because I am getting older, ahaahah!
To my ears, Mesa has more gain and compression, Marshall less gain but more grit and better cut in the mix. Together they sound absolutely brilliant! Obviously, with the boost /OD JCM 800 will get much deeper in the high gain territory, however, I really love the rawness of it! Fantastic clip!
Some heavy sounds of the '80s we think it was Marshall, it was not. For example, if you like "Still Of The Night" sound this is from John Sykes' site: "For much of the Whitesnake '87 album and first Blue Murder album John used 2 Mesa Boogie Coliseum heads. These amps have a Mark III pre-amp section but use six 6L6 power tubes--giving the amps180 watts each! John also owns several Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+'s, Mark III's and some rack mounted Mesa Dual Recto heads. Other Mesa Boogie equipment includes a Tri-Axis preamp and a Strategy 500 Power Amp." And when you compare them like this Marshall sounds fizzy without bottom end. Playing them together sounds fuller, they fill each other's sonic blanks.
Both these amps are readily avalable and affordable. For the amount of money you have to pay for modern highgain amp you can get both of these and these do sound great together. It's easier to get massive tone out of 2 amps running simultaneously.
Yep awesome tones when combined. I used to run an F30 set cleanish in parallel with a DSL50 set dirty and the tone was as solid as a rock, plus use either for lead. Too much gear though. I just use the F30 set clean with pedals nowadays as pubs and clubs limit the volume levels. Thanks again Johan, great riffing by the way! 😎👍🎸🎶
Great!!! Mesa is the sound that I grown with., listening Metallica, and co. But I really like the 800's tone. I'm wondering how that marshall handle muffes and fuzz faces
Both tones are great! I really want a Mesa but they are almost impossible to get at a reasonable price in Aus. Anything you would suggest for getting the Mark sound
Lätt Mesan! Har aldrig gillat Marshall eller Fender amps för hur jag lirar. Har kört Vox AC (alla versioner) sen 80talet. Köpte till albumet "WRACK!" med Tomas Skogsberg (entombed osv osv) En MesaBoogie Mark V; 35 kombo! Efter att det första måndagsexet ersatts av ett fungerande exemplar, så insåg jag att det var en (givet inställningar) perfekt i mitten av Fender och Marshall! Grymme stärk, otroligt push i den!! ...köpte ändå en vit Vox AC10 och insåg att trots dagens kretskortbyggnadsätt av förstärkare, så är det Vox som har mitt hjärta. Kör bägge nu, Mesa och Voxen i stereo...och och som du gissade, det låter faaaaaantastisk!
i own two roland micro cubes. they have a marshall style setting and a mesa style setting. if you run them in stereo with one as marshall and one as mesa you get a similiar effect. it sounds crazy good. i dont actually like the mesa on its own, neither in this video nor on the micro cube. but combined with a marshall there is some magic happening
Hi Johan, here's a video I'd like to see so I'll tell you. How can the JCM800 SCH20 runs 20 and 5 watts with 2 EL34's? Id say the SCH is a reduction of the 2204 not 2203 because 2204 uses 2 EL34's. As long as I know, the SCH uses PIMV tecnology to reduce the wattage, so I'd like to hear a comparison between the 2204 and SCH to see if PIMV changes the tone.
I was just thinking i'd love to hear them together when you did just that...sweet holy god of metal tone!!
Cheers!
😳 that’s magical
Slave em together and the tone is total greatness!
Man that mixed tone is so thick, chunky and full. They really compliment each other perfectly.
Thanks Cornelius!
The first time I heard a friend play his Les Paul through a MK3, my jaw dropped. The first time I plugged my strat into a JCM 800, I didn't want to stop playing. This video going back and forth and then combining the 2 is - for lack of a better word - sick! Awesome!
I’m really glad to hear that!
There was a "Tone Talk" interview with Bob Rock where he went into great detail about the sound of Metallica's Black Album, that it was many layered multitracks of Mark 3's and a modded JCM800, for the chunkiness and gain of the Mark 3 but the midrange of the 800 mixed in.
Citation needed, please!
@@Tomcat82 No problem :). I'm not sure if TH-cam will let me link the Tone Talk video, but I'll just include the title and you can search it yourself: "Ep. 73 - Bob Rock! Legendary Music Engineer/Producer with Pete Thorn as Guest-Co-Host". He starts talking about the black album around 20.54 and the way they positioned mics. At 1.57.12 he talks about the two amps. I'm probably missing some more clips of where he talks about it (it's a looong interview) but I would still recommend just watching the whole thing if you're really curious.
@@green8923 he did say Mark III but also a Jose modded plexi was blended in low in the mix.
Found it. Thank you. It's interesting that Bob Rock said the Mark III (and not the IIC+) was not only used on TBA, but that it was Hetfield's main amp, too. That makes me suspect Bob Rock is misremembering the amp in question because Hetfield has never been known to use a Mark III, and there's also no video or photographic evidence that shows a Mark III was ever even present inside One on One Studios with Metallica; only the Mark IIC+ (along with a Mark IV that sat unused).
Earlier in the same interview, Rock stated that John Sykes was the best guitarist he'd ever worked with. John Sykes was a big Mark III player. I suspect that's where Rock's memory of a Mark III may have come from.
@Deconstruction 33 Because you would know better than Bob Rock, right?
Effectively Ride the Lightning vs Master of Puppets. I love that rawer early sound of the Marshall. :-D
Thanks!
Dude... Thank god for your straight forward approach. No IR's, just the real deal, & its always definitive. Every guy that demos amps into IR's, has them all sounding the same. IR's cannot pickup nuance, they are a SIMULATION.
Thanks man, glad to hear that!
These tones put a big smile on my face. Didn't expect a metal tone playthrough from Johan.
I love it.
Thanks, great to hear that!
That grinding tone is what will keep you young.
Cheers! :-)
I have a Mark iii I bought in high school. Love that amp to this day. Used it for jazz band in school then used the same rig to jam with my friends after school haha
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Just the video I was looking for. It's nice to compare them in the same video as well. Also this is pretty interesting in a historic perspective. Both of them together absolutely slays!
Such a nostalgic sound for me! I was born and lived in Petaluma where they make Boogies, and I worked at EMG in my early 20s and we all played that gear back in the day. The Bay Area was a completely different sound and vibe to Los Angeles. LA was definitely a Marshall town. Metallica moved from LA to the Bay Area because Cliff Burton said he would join them if they moved, and soon Kirk was in the band. Cliff and Kirk were both Bay Area dudes and the Boogies came in the picture when they all got up here. I'm pretty sure Dave Mustaine never played Boogies.
Dave did play GK 2100SELs for a time. Those aren't easy to find! I know, I've been looking. But I'm glad Dave didn't play Mesas because he got his own very identifiable tone that way. Dave kind of pushed Marshall tone in a new direction. He sounded like nobody else at that time.
Boogie came into the picture after Ride the Lightning.
Wow, that pairing sounds insane!
I like that each adds something the party. The Mesa has the saturated gain, but the Marshall as the midrange warmth.
Unlike the Rectifier, the Mark series amps do have ample mid-range. It's just that their mid-range is a lot brighter than Marshall. They cut through the mix better than Marshall amps though.
I thought "oh shit, that Mesa hurts my ears!" but when blended together, IT was instantly there!
Thanks, yeah they sound huge together
I didn‘t expect the mesa creates a juicier sound than the jcm 800. Together they are untopably explosive!
Those two amps sound amazing together. Thanks Johan.
Thanks!
I have a mark iib, still trying to figure this amp out after 8 or 9 yrs.
Right? Those active tone controls are definitely not easy compared to the Marshall EQ, which pretty much does nothing (and always sounds great). I had that problem with the MK IIb never being able to get it to work. Maybe it would be different now that I'm more patient.
I have a problem with figuring any of my amps to this day...because I wake up every morning with different and ideal "sound" in my head lol
But aren't we all? That's why we are here...guitar junkies :-D
@@JosipAngeloBorovac Amen brother!
@@Tomcat82 thanks, I will try
Great follow-up to the previous video, that mk3 is so aggressive, and what a crushing tone the two of them together produce!
Thanks man, glad to hear that!
The Mesa + Marshall sounds massive and has its own space in the mix. Another great video from the Sageborn Inc.!
Thanks Andrea! :-)
JOHAN, the DRUMS really kick these videos into OVERDRIVE! Thanks for another great one man.
Really nice blended sound! A trick I use with my 2205 is to put a Boss EQ in the effect loop. The new digital one has a lot of control, but the GE7 will work fine. Also, this is the place to put a noise gate pedal.
Mix of both actually gave me goosebumps :). I use a weird combination of mesa v-twin preamp into jcm800 and it kinda gives similar effect
Thanks Rob, I’m really glad to hear that! Cheers
Each amp is pretty cool on its own, but when they’re together it’s like you found the tone of my dreams!!!
Love the sound of the two together … amazing
Such an iconic tone from an Era long gone. Well done sir!!
I know you've said in the past metal is not your thing, but I'm glad you decided to do it. Sounds great..
Thanks, I’m really glad to hear that! Cheers
I wasn't expecting to love this video as much as I do, having underestimated your thrashing ability, but I was dead wrong!
Thanks, that’s very kind of you! Cheers
Haha yeah he's pretty heavy when he sets his mind to it isn't he? Great riffs
Those 6L6s shine on the really hard stuff. John Sykes used Mesa recording with Whitesnake.
I had a blue stripe Mark III loaded widebody head for just a little while. I really wish I could have afforded to keep it but I bought it to flip for a profit and I did exactly that. But it was the MOST bonecrushing beast of an amp I've ever owned. I would buy it back in a heartbeat! Its smooth and controllable form of savagery is unequalled by any other amp in that genre of guitar tone. Much as I like the Marshall, too, the Mark III wins this comparison quite easily. But blended together, that makes the two sound better together than either by itself.
I got another Blue Stripe! It's every bit as mean as the first one, maybe even more so!
Johan having WAY to much FUN !! 😂.. this was awesome!! 🤘 I recently inherited a MKIII Green stripe. I have yet to even plug it in.. Now im excited to. Thanks Johan! Cheers 🍻
I love this. Right now i mix a very jcm800 sounding Laney cub head and a little Blackstar on the "mesa setting" its a small ht-1 combo, so i can use a aby switcher into a 212 v30 stereo cab or just the Laney on one side trough the cab and the small HT-1 on the other side. Pretty close to this on lower volume. thanks Johan :) great as always. Have a great weekend :)
Have a great one you too! Cheers
Marshalls for me for that huge spacious tone for that classic heavy rock and big chords. Mesa for tight metal bands where you layer the tracks and want to have it tight and heavy and fast as possible.
Nice one Johan. Nice to see a vintage Mesa on display!
Thanks!
Both amps sound awesome, and even better together.
Seriously bro, I shit you not, you always have some on the best tones on YT, keep it up!
The Mesa is super scooped and has more low end but is not as tight as the Marshall. Together they sound AMAZING. Thanks Johan!
I own a Mark V, and its incredible, but I run this exact combo in my Helix - one left, one right. Its the John Sykes sound, and it rocks
Nice demo...I bought a MK2 in 1980...had to pick it up at the airport freight terminal back then!...later,a MK2B and then Simul-Class MK3...they lost me on the Mark lV...just didn't rock enough...the Boogie and Marshall sounded epic together
Thanks Ricky!
it is interesting that every mesa mk3 I have listened to has a different sound. They all have the same basic bones and you can dial up a myriad of tones but each one has seemed quite individual. Nice to see you finally got around to a mk3. I would love to see more of your audio experiments with one.
Great comparison, these are really metal sounding! Blended together they are very heavy and wonderful. My opinion the Boogie amp has a tighter low end and the Marshall has a more defined high end especially playing the higher strings for chording. I remember once the Dual Rectifier amps came out in the early 90s a lot of the metal players jumped over to those. The Mk3 Boogies were popular with just about every genre of music back in the 80s, I still know players that are using them for heavy metal stuff and even hardcore music. Thanks for sharing, Johan and have a great weekend!
Have a great weekend Mark! Cheers
Wow what a great idea. Together they sound glorious. Also love it when you brought in the drum kit. Have you done a vid on how you get THAT great sound? 😉
I own a Mesa Mk3 blue stripe and it is an absolute MONSTER of an amp. It will be the last piece of equipment I ever let go of. A true work of art.
Together that is an absolutely immense tone.
Thanks Patrick!
They compliment each other extremely well
Thanks!
Last time I recorded I did a blended mix of running my guitar through both an 800 and MkIII! Love the mix. I have the red stripe version and love the blend with w a 2204 or 4212 (which I believe is the same circuit as 2205)
Dear lord, both amps together is maaasssiivvee
I love them both...always with marshall cabs. Great content as always
Thanks, I’m glad to hear that! Cheers
Oh man, when the drums kicked in.... so great!
Thanks Justin!
the two mixed are the perfect guitar tone.............The mid pushed Marshall the scooped Mesa.......divine.
Well done Brother! You know I Love them Both! Have a great weekend and Be Well All!
Thanks brother, have a great weekend you too too! Cheers
Glorious when together in the mix 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Glad to hear that!
Ive always been a marshall guy, but after playing a Larry Grohmann, ive never gone back. It scratches the heavy metal itch for me like no other amp.
Great vis as usual..I'm a Marshall guy..Mesa although they make Great Bass Amps I always thought their guitar amps were too muddy for my taste. IMHO
The mix of both sounds really good. Waiting for The Jöhanheads to dish out some heavy tones soon... Cheers!
Hahaha! Thanks man ;-)
finally..those 2 amps...wow!!.thank you for the comparison...i would love to have that mesa amp
Thanks! :-)
Awesome Johan! Didn't expect a MK III to appear a couple days after I suggested it. I've had an '89 green stripe for 27 years & will Never $ell it. I'm curious how U had the knobs set, because it didn't sound as *chunky* as it could. Also, U should try it thru that Mesa Thiele cabinet.. \m/
Thanks Byron! I displayed the front panel of the Mesa in the beginning of the video. Cheers
I'd love to have a Mesa Boogie JP2C and Marshall JCM 800. Blend both for cool variety.
Both amps together sounds good oh wow! and they both work together.
Oooh both together sound killer. I wonder what the Mark IIIc and the 2203 w/6550's would sound like with a TS-808 in front.
Thanks!
The two of them together are the perfect sound, if I had to choose one of them just by itself for this kind of sound, I'd have to do the mesa
Good lord the answer is both. This is exactly why anytime someone tries to give me a one or the other question I just say yes.
Hahaha! Amen to that
O.m.g. the combination of them!
Thanks Derek!
I had a Rectoverb-25 and a DSL-20 that I ran into a stereo 4×12" cab. Talk about a fat sound!!!
Unfortunately I had to sell one to pay for my dog's emergency surgery.
Oddly enough, I sold the Mesa.
There's just something about that Marshall sound...
A young Metalhead bought the Mesa so I was happy that it went to someone who would cherish it for what it is.
Oh yeah, great video as always man!!! 🤘🤘🤘Killer riffage🤘🤘🤘
I think Metallica recorded Master of Puppets using a mark II 2c+ slaved into a JCM800, hearing them both together really gets close to that sound!
Thanks glad to hear that!
@@adamdevo7179 thanks, by any chance you have any link to share? been looking only and seems there is nothing definitive
The rhythm was iic+ or iic++ simul-class, meaning el34 + 6l6 power tubes simultaneously, so it's kind of like class A combined with el34 tube marshalls like in this video. the solos were slaved through the jcm800 power section and not simul-class.
Nice job, Johan- I always enjoy your videos. You certainly get your hands on some damn fabulous gear.
I’ve been wondering when you were going to get some Boogies on here- glad to see it.
Mark IIIs are great, but if you want holy grail Boogie tone, do one on a C+.
I’ve owned a bunch of each and the C+ definitely lives up to the hype.
Cheers, brother!🤘🏻
Thanks! I hope to do a Mk series shootout soon! Cheers brother!
Johan. There are three clean tones in my opinion. Fender Hiwatt and Carlsbro (TR100) . They are in tube land the most distinct clean sounds. Love to hear a comparison on that topic.
Wow Johan that was an approach to listening I haven’t tried yet. There is a difference in percussive experience of the amps. Marshall has a tight percussive experience of your playing. The Mesa had less headroom experience of the percussive playing. I expect your settings on reverb to be equal. Great demo, Tak Johan
Thanks Steffen! I only used reverb on the snare drum actually
There's also bands like Anthrax which used both JCM 800's and Mesa Boogie's (I could be wrong, but I think '87-'88 Testament used a similar amp combination around the same time). And holy crap, that mes+marshall tone is absolutely massive!
Thanks man!
Must have both amps! Both sound incredible. God bless and rock on 😎🎸👍
Thanks man, Cheers!
Wow the 2 together sounded so good
Nice video and definitely on the crunchy side. In fact so crunchy I will call the song Captain Crunch cheers!
Hahaha! Cheers Darrell!
Both together when the drums kick in... Jesus!!
Life goals 😄🤘👍
Thanks! :-)
New rule! Only Mesa’ and Marshall’s playing together will be the new benchmark tone! What a sound!
In the thrash metal area the Mesa Boogie mk3 wins by per se, with the Jcm800 you need an extra push given by boost pedals such super overdrive, Tubescreamer or similar ones to achieve the same sound, cheers Johan!
Cheers Vincenzo!
Awesome tones!! Sound huge in my headphones.
The Mark is surely tighter and more scooped, while the JCM sounds more open and a bit "flubby" on the bass notes. Different architectures, different flavours...it's a matter of taste, as usual. Anyway, I love both my MarkIIC and my Silver Jubilee :-) Great video, Johan!
Thanks Fabrizio!
It's scooped because of the EQ setting.
@@fretbuzz59 surely is, I have a Mark IIC since 1994 and I know the differences between using the graphic eq or not. Actually, when I play it, I prefer to turn the graphic eq off....probably because I am getting older, ahaahah!
To my ears, Mesa has more gain and compression, Marshall less gain but more grit and better cut in the mix. Together they sound absolutely brilliant! Obviously, with the boost /OD JCM 800 will get much deeper in the high gain territory, however, I really love the rawness of it! Fantastic clip!
And yes, Mesa sounds like "Master of Puppets" pretty spot on! JCM 800...earlier Metallica. Faithful replication in any case. Good job Johan!
Some heavy sounds of the '80s we think it was Marshall, it was not. For example, if you like "Still Of The Night" sound this is from John Sykes' site: "For much of the Whitesnake '87 album and first Blue Murder album John used 2 Mesa Boogie Coliseum heads. These amps have a Mark III pre-amp section but use six 6L6 power tubes--giving the amps180 watts each! John also owns several Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+'s, Mark III's and some rack mounted Mesa Dual Recto heads. Other Mesa Boogie equipment includes a Tri-Axis preamp and a Strategy 500 Power Amp." And when you compare them like this Marshall sounds fizzy without bottom end. Playing them together sounds fuller, they fill each other's sonic blanks.
Thanks great feedback! I love John Sykes!
If I must choose only one - Marshall. But sound of both is perfect. One of best sounds ever.
Both these amps are readily avalable and affordable. For the amount of money you have to pay for modern highgain amp you can get both of these and these do sound great together. It's easier to get massive tone out of 2 amps running simultaneously.
Yeah these are still surprisingly affordable
Mesa=Master Of Puppets
Marshall=Kill 'Em All
Yep awesome tones when combined. I used to run an F30 set cleanish in parallel with a DSL50 set dirty and the tone was as solid as a rock, plus use either for lead. Too much gear though. I just use the F30 set clean with pedals nowadays as pubs and clubs limit the volume levels. Thanks again Johan, great riffing by the way! 😎👍🎸🎶
Great!!!
Mesa is the sound that I grown with., listening Metallica, and co. But I really like the 800's tone.
I'm wondering how that marshall handle muffes and fuzz faces
Both tones are great! I really want a Mesa but they are almost impossible to get at a reasonable price in Aus. Anything you would suggest for getting the Mark sound
Both together.... omg love it.
Thanks! :-)
Damm!!! Both together were awesome. Good lord!!!
Rock on!!!
Cheers Jorge! :-)
Lätt Mesan! Har aldrig gillat Marshall eller Fender amps för hur jag lirar.
Har kört Vox AC (alla versioner) sen 80talet. Köpte till albumet "WRACK!" med Tomas Skogsberg (entombed osv osv) En MesaBoogie Mark V; 35 kombo! Efter att det första måndagsexet ersatts av ett fungerande exemplar, så insåg jag att det var en (givet inställningar) perfekt i mitten av Fender och Marshall! Grymme stärk, otroligt push i den!! ...köpte ändå en vit Vox AC10 och insåg att trots dagens kretskortbyggnadsätt av förstärkare, så är det Vox som har mitt hjärta. Kör bägge nu, Mesa och Voxen i stereo...och och som du gissade, det låter faaaaaantastisk!
Killer tones here. The best is obviously to mix both together.
@Johan Segeborn, which one do you prefer after all?
Johan, can u tell me what presets & channel are u using in this 800? I've got the same and i cant find the way to love this amp!
My apologies for the last post I just didn't feel like typing all that stuff at 55 years old🤤
Great video, Johan! Can you please do a video on Warren DeMartini’s tone on Detonator by Ratt? It would be awesome
i own two roland micro cubes. they have a marshall style setting and a mesa style setting. if you run them in stereo with one as marshall and one as mesa you get a similiar effect. it sounds crazy good.
i dont actually like the mesa on its own, neither in this video nor on the micro cube. but combined with a marshall there is some magic happening
@Nicko Lps obviously. point is that the models in the micro cube are so close, they do a similiar thing to the real amps if you combine them.
Both sound great! What do you like better? Chocolate or vanilla? Both taste good! 🤘🤘🤘
Thanks! :-)
I like Marshall more, it's kinda more vintage.
Definitely the Mesa for the bass response, but the high end of the Marshall really captures the early Metallica tone. Together they work so well.
Thanks!
I wonder how the Mk3 and 2205 compare to a Plexi pushed with a Boss MT-2
We can try that. I’d guess the JMP would be less firm in the bass though
Very tough choice :) Great video!
Thanks man!
Hi Johan, here's a video I'd like to see so I'll tell you. How can the JCM800 SCH20 runs 20 and 5 watts with 2 EL34's? Id say the SCH is a reduction of the 2204 not 2203 because 2204 uses 2 EL34's. As long as I know, the SCH uses PIMV tecnology to reduce the wattage, so I'd like to hear a comparison between the 2204 and SCH to see if PIMV changes the tone.
This is excellent. I always wondered why they switched. I don't think it was an improvement. Smashing Pumpkins made that switch too.
Thanks man