Since several years I´m mixing solely on headphones (AKG K701), of course cross-checking on speakers as well but without any dedicated compensation tools like the Harmon curve. I released 2 EPs and several singles since then that weren´t too bad. But bc I´m setting up my whole studio new, I will apply the Harmon curve and that crossfeed plugin asap before I start mixing new stuff. It's always room for getting better 😀.Thanks for that video!
Thank you for this great video! I am mixing with headphones for years now. I use a pair of Hifiman Sundaras. They also have a very quick response and are quite linear and they are not as expensive as the Nanos. I didn't use the Harman curve until now. I have the dsoniq realphones plugin which simulates a lot of monitors and rooms. I mostly use the built in crossfeed and the calbration curve for my Sundara. They measured hundreds of headphone curves. I have the professional version which includes the download from up to three phone profiles. Normally I mix without speaker and room simulation. I only use them to check how well the mix translates to various acoustic situations (you can even check disco, car and live stage). What I don't now - and it would be interessant to know - is how the target curve for headphone calibration is determined ( by Sonarworks, dsonic or Slate?). I herard that it is not the Haman Curve they are aiming for. Does anybody know something about it?
Great video!. I did not know about you can use the same outputs of your interface by disabling "Exclusive Device Ports for Monitor Channels" . I bought a Dangerous Music D=Box+ and I use that as my speaker managment control. I like it because I can use the same D-A converters for different sources like my phone via bluetooth, the audio from TH-cam, the digital outputs and analog outputs of my Apollo X6, also I am using Analog Summing. Now I will start using my headphones the way you showing and hopefully this will be a much better way to monitor with different type of headphones. I find all my headphones sound very different, Focal Clear Mg, Audeze MM100 and Senheiser HD650. I prefer using speakers to mix but after 10pm got to switch to headphones. I listen to my final mixes in all of them just to make sure I am happy with the results.
The Audeze LCD-X is pretty Harman conform and Sonarworks work great on them. The Hifiman headphones are great too, lighter and much cheaper but not that as easy to compensate with EQ. I tested every model (nerd) - Arya is really the best way to go. The Sonarworks curves don´t really work on them, so I would google the frequenzy response of them and type in a curve into a EQ plug in. It doesn´t have to be perfect and you can always refine over time. A crossfeed plug in is really a must. A good and simple one is Redline Monitor by 112dB. Still the room information is missing. Haven´t found a good solution for myself yet.
Very interesting Video, I own a pair of HIFIMAN Sundaras and I believe Paul Mentioned a decent headphones AMP. I don't have a headphone AMP as yet, I use the SSL2 audio interface. It's very good I must say, but do you think I need a headphones amp like the one Paul mentioned as my Headphone volume parameter is quite High in order to hear everything properly. I'd love some feedback on this one.
I’m still using the headphone amp of my monitor controller myself. It is very decent but I also notice I have to turn up the level. So maybe a separate headphone amp is the next step. I believe Paul mentioned a topping headphone amp/audio interface combination. Topping ex4 I think it was.
I use Sony MDR-7506 for 30 years and AKG K-240 MKII for about 15 years. Mixed a lot in them, but almost completely stopped after fixing my room's aboutics. Much better with speakers, imo.
Bluecat(small French developer) makes an all-in-one solution for headphone correction called re-head. Will also load IR's for HP correction. Using an ATH-R70x myself, great neutral headphone and the first that I can wear for hours on my thick head without discomfort. How are the Hifimans for people with big heads?
Thanks I did not know that. Will check it out. The Hifiman fits very well on my head which is also quite big ;). There IS a certain limit for stretching the cones which does not feel very wide while putting them on, but they do fit fine while wearing. Not too tight.
My ultimate headphone mix came from some 64 audio IEM’s. I got them for the stage but they work great for mixing in a crap room. When I put those mixes on my genelec’s they don’t sound that much different.
Thanks, I got it from a thread on their support forum that explains this: www.fabfilter.com/forum/topic/7700/what-are-the-fabfilter-equivalent-q-bandwidth-settings
I use Audeze MM-55 (Many Marroquin) headphones and the dSoniq Realphones plugin. I can hear even the smallest details with them. It's very expensive, but not nearly as expensive as good monitor speakers + room acoustics work.
This sucks so much, I used to mix with DT770 and DT880 because I didn't have a treated room. Then I got tinnitus from playing the guitar too loud and now I can't use the headphones anymore without getting worse. But getting the room treated and buying good monitors is so expensive 😭
Sorry to hear that. I guess it’s the risk when you’re working in the studio or on loud stages. Don’t turn it up too loud all the time, use earplugs on stage etc. Hopefully it will get less noticeable for you over time.
I use headphones as a partial reference all the time. 90% of the job for me is done with the monitors and a lot of times I'm doing it at very low levels. I'm doing basic rock music and sometimes I get carried away with the bass frequencies if I'm doing too much 'loud' with the speakers or fixating what it sounds like in the headphones. I don't do any sub bass stuff or anything though. I don't like that stuff ... I'm an old person. 😂
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What are your experiences mixing on headphones? What setup are you using and did you notice any changes in your mixing process?
A lot of people are referring to Paul Third's videos... Paul is great and funny. He is the one who made Harman curves famous and hype.
He’s definitely the one that started talking about it again yes.
Thank you for this very informative video! 🙏
You are welcome.
Again, many thanks for choosing this subjects. They are truelly useful and well explained! Congratulations.
Great that you like it and thanks!
100% conform with you, i also use the hifiman ananada nanos with harman curve - so my mixes really translate very fine! - thanks for your video!
Great to hear some other experiences. Thanks for commenting!
Since several years I´m mixing solely on headphones (AKG K701), of course cross-checking on speakers as well but without any dedicated compensation tools like the Harmon curve. I released 2 EPs and several singles since then that weren´t too bad. But bc I´m setting up my whole studio new, I will apply the Harmon curve and that crossfeed plugin asap before I start mixing new stuff. It's always room for getting better 😀.Thanks for that video!
You’re welcome. And thanks for sharing your experiences.
Thank you for this great video!
I am mixing with headphones for years now. I use a pair of Hifiman Sundaras. They also have a very quick response and are quite linear and they are not as expensive as the Nanos. I didn't use the Harman curve until now. I have the dsoniq realphones plugin which simulates a lot of monitors and rooms. I mostly use the built in crossfeed and the calbration curve for my Sundara. They measured hundreds of headphone curves. I have the professional version which includes the download from up to three phone profiles. Normally I mix without speaker and room simulation. I only use them to check how well the mix translates to various acoustic situations (you can even check disco, car and live stage).
What I don't now - and it would be interessant to know - is how the target curve for headphone calibration is determined ( by Sonarworks, dsonic or Slate?). I herard that it is not the Haman Curve they are aiming for. Does anybody know something about it?
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I also heard that they are not targeting the Harman curve with SoundID. Not sure what they ARE targeting.
Thanks for the tips.
You are welcome.
Great video!. I did not know about you can use the same outputs of your interface by disabling "Exclusive Device Ports for Monitor Channels" . I bought a Dangerous Music D=Box+ and I use that as my speaker managment control. I like it because I can use the same D-A converters for different sources like my phone via bluetooth, the audio from TH-cam, the digital outputs and analog outputs of my Apollo X6, also I am using Analog Summing. Now I will start using my headphones the way you showing and hopefully this will be a much better way to monitor with different type of headphones. I find all my headphones sound very different, Focal Clear Mg, Audeze MM100 and Senheiser HD650. I prefer using speakers to mix but after 10pm got to switch to headphones. I listen to my final mixes in all of them just to make sure I am happy with the results.
Thank you and glad the video was useful! Nice collection of headphones.
Very useful video, thanks!
Thank you!
The Audeze LCD-X is pretty Harman conform and Sonarworks work great on them. The Hifiman headphones are great too, lighter and much cheaper but not that as easy to compensate with EQ. I tested every model (nerd) - Arya is really the best way to go. The Sonarworks curves don´t really work on them, so I would google the frequenzy response of them and type in a curve into a EQ plug in. It doesn´t have to be perfect and you can always refine over time.
A crossfeed plug in is really a must. A good and simple one is Redline Monitor by 112dB. Still the room information is missing. Haven´t found a good solution for myself yet.
Sounds like you have a lot of experience with headphones though. Thanks for sharing those!
@@LanewoodStudios Well born out of the struggles to mix in living rooms. Thanks for the video ;)
I'm mixing on headphones but use a SPL Phonitor 2 in addition. For checking reverb and delay I use monitors.
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Very interesting Video, I own a pair of HIFIMAN Sundaras and I believe Paul Mentioned a decent headphones AMP. I don't have a headphone AMP as yet, I use the SSL2 audio interface. It's very good I must say, but do you think I need a headphones amp like the one Paul mentioned as my Headphone volume parameter is quite High in order to hear everything properly. I'd love some feedback on this one.
I’m still using the headphone amp of my monitor controller myself. It is very decent but I also notice I have to turn up the level. So maybe a separate headphone amp is the next step. I believe Paul mentioned a topping headphone amp/audio interface combination. Topping ex4 I think it was.
@@LanewoodStudios So it seems like it's a good idea to grab the Topping II headphone AMP. I must say that this technique works great.
@@mrmac24 go for it. Or the RME ADI-2 DAC FS for the ultimate solution. But then you also pay the ultimate price of course.
this is exactly my Cubase setup
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I need toi try the CanOpener plugin
I think they have a 30 day free trial so plenty of time for trying it 😉.
Im' using Ollo S4X, with their correction curve plugin, but I intend to try the Harman curve and CanOpener.
Yes do give it a try. Nice headphones.
I prefer mixing with good headphones (like Ollo for instance) than on a badly treated room.
Yeah makes sense to me.
I use Sony MDR-7506 for 30 years and AKG K-240 MKII for about 15 years. Mixed a lot in them, but almost completely stopped after fixing my room's aboutics. Much better with speakers, imo.
Yes if you can get your room to sound good, it’s more comfortable not to have to put headphones on of course.
Bluecat(small French developer) makes an all-in-one solution for headphone correction called re-head. Will also load IR's for HP correction.
Using an ATH-R70x myself, great neutral headphone and the first that I can wear for hours on my thick head without discomfort.
How are the Hifimans for people with big heads?
Thanks I did not know that. Will check it out.
The Hifiman fits very well on my head which is also quite big ;). There IS a certain limit for stretching the cones which does not feel very wide while putting them on, but they do fit fine while wearing. Not too tight.
My ultimate headphone mix came from some 64 audio IEM’s. I got them for the stage but they work great for mixing in a crap room. When I put those mixes on my genelec’s they don’t sound that much different.
Thanks for sharing!
12:12 how did you know to multiply it? Does Fabfilter mentions this on their website? BTW Great Video !!
Thanks, I got it from a thread on their support forum that explains this: www.fabfilter.com/forum/topic/7700/what-are-the-fabfilter-equivalent-q-bandwidth-settings
I also have this question. And do you need to multiply the Q value if you're using the Cubase stock Frequency plugin?
@ I got it from the fabfilter forum. And no, you don’t need to do this for the Cubase EQs.
Did you try DSoniq RealPhones?
No I didn’t yet. Heard about it but haven’t tried it myself. Is that what you’re using?
@@LanewoodStudios I'm considering testing it. Many people think it's the best solution for headphone mixing.
I use Audeze MM-55 (Many Marroquin) headphones and the dSoniq Realphones plugin. I can hear even the smallest details with them. It's very expensive, but not nearly as expensive as good monitor speakers + room acoustics work.
@JakoMidiMucke nice setup 😋
This sucks so much, I used to mix with DT770 and DT880 because I didn't have a treated room. Then I got tinnitus from playing the guitar too loud and now I can't use the headphones anymore without getting worse. But getting the room treated and buying good monitors is so expensive 😭
Sorry to hear that. I guess it’s the risk when you’re working in the studio or on loud stages. Don’t turn it up too loud all the time, use earplugs on stage etc. Hopefully it will get less noticeable for you over time.
I use headphones as a partial reference all the time. 90% of the job for me is done with the monitors and a lot of times I'm doing it at very low levels. I'm doing basic rock music and sometimes I get carried away with the bass frequencies if I'm doing too much 'loud' with the speakers or fixating what it sounds like in the headphones. I don't do any sub bass stuff or anything though. I don't like that stuff ... I'm an old person. 😂
Great that it works for you 😉
@@LanewoodStudios I think it's starting to. Once I got some decent monitors I felt a pretty big jump in the quality of my mixes.
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