How Pavement "did in" Lollapalooza - West Virginia, 1995
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- Pavement's performance gets a poor reception - a shower of mud and rocks - on the Charles Town, West Virginia stop of the 1995 Lollapalooza tour. Pavement's Bob Nastanovich and Scott "Spiral Stairs" Kannberg, and Sonic Youth's Thurston Moore, theorize how the performance may have contributed to the eventual demise of the festival. From Matador's "Slow Century" DVD.
I was at this show, and I felt so humiliated by these actions. I really wanted to see the band play, as this was true alternative music during that time. None of these people who were in the front at that show had ever heard of or seen 120 Minutes before...they knew absolutely nothing about good music. Going to Lollapalooza...especially in a backwoods place where there is nothing else to do in town..was just the thing to do by that time. Hell, I think I saw just about everyone from my high school there...and none of them were in to alternative music. Pavement were right...Lollapalooza was no longer alternative by this time anymore. These people weren't even there for the music anymore. They were just there because it was the "thing to do" and then talk about in school.
SAME! They were one of, if not, THE DRAW FOR me and my posse's attendance at this show.
You sound like a snob
We drove up from Leesburg. I remember the heat and Beck's set but not this moment. I remember some kid walking through the crowd as Hole played screaming "You ki**ed KURT!" Still have the live version of I Wanna Get High that Cypress Hill recorded there. They performed it twice and asked the audience to go extra nuts for it, lol
I love Pavement. I was in this crowd as well….I thought I was one of the only ones who was pissed and wanted them to play!
People can be so cruel. Pavement are awesome.
They also did this to every act on the 1996 date, except of course, Metallica. I left after 9 songs
Pavement 1 - West-Virginia 0.
I love Chris Elliot's work on the David Letterman Show.
@@KrazeeClark The Fugitive Guy was the best!
The legendary David Berman at 1:27 one of the best songwriters in American history
There was a real shift in public taste around 95-96. Most people weren't interested in "alternative" rock anymore. That's when I started to feel old.
You are right about that and by 1997 new vibe set in. There was alternative music afterwards, but it seems that era was over. Funny, I am responding to comment from 2010.
By 1997, Insane Clown Posse and Sublime were officially on the Billboard charts. Gawd, pop music then was really scraping the bottom of the septic tank!
where are we now?
Spiral Stairs is my hero.
Pavement was all the rage with the hip street kids back in 95. I know, I was one of them. Wowee Zowee was the shit back then
It still is
When being a hipster? Was just being yoself.
except everyone hated it and it basically killed their career. idk why people feel the need to try to look like they were 'there'
@@johnb5057 youre projecting on an 8 yo comment
@@supwititproductionz3738 doesnt make it untrue, though. WZ killed their career
this is what it could be like to be a hipster (and genius band) ahead of your time -- i saw this tour in Cincy -- in retrospect Pavement is the best band on the bill
I agree. They were great at Riverbend . Recorded it on my new Sony mini disc.
I saw the same Lollapalooza tour in NYC. They were amazing Wowee- Zowee style. They along with most of the other bands were much appreciated here.
Look everybody it's thurston moore.
They were my favorite band at the time. I was somewhere behind the pit, I was at lolla 95 in Charlestown.. I always wondered why they played so short.. now I know
I was there to see pavement so it was kind of a bummer
I remember seeing them on the second stage, I think here in Charlotte(i think this was like 93 or so) and they were playing "Forklift" and I already knew most of it, so I lost my shit when I realized they were playing one of my favorite songs and couldnt help but just bounce to that one the whole way through. It was divine, at least for me it was.
I was at this show! Thanks for putting this up.
a redder shade of neck on a whiter shade of trash
Wow, Bob that took a lot of balls to stand up to those guys and then moon them like that. Never saw this video before. Nice job, I would have been worried about projectiles hitting my exposed arse, but anyway, nicely done. I have newfound respect for you, and I always liked you to begin with.
I think that was actually Spiral Stairs, not Bob…rad nonetheless…
I was there, about 40 feet away from the stage. They played six songs. I was dissapointed that they didn't play more, but I understood completely.
The solution: Improvised noise show
I would do that if I were there
3:48 - Matt from Jesus Lizard!!! ... one of THE most underrated drummers ever. His work alone with the Atlanta band 86 stands as an example of his skills much less what he he has accomplished with Jesus Lizard.
I was there an it was all and all a great overall event in my opinion. It was VERY hot to the point that my best friend just got ill and decided to just sit in a corner while the rest of us partied through the day. The fire hose they used to spray the crowd was insane. I didn't expect to be pummeled by water but that is the feeling you get from the amount of water they were pumping through but again, it was soo hot that it was a needed drenching that many of us welcomed.
Most of the people here were not from West Virginia, this location is in the extreme eastern panhandle of WV. Most of the people came from DC and Maryland suburbs. I came from PA.
Spiral Stairs is such a bawss.
these guys are total dudes.
love that wood paneling at the end.
lmfao when the camera zooms out on the stage and there's mud everywhere. The early 90s revolution was dead in the water at this point-- my dad became reformed
I just turned 18 a month b4 saw Pavement in Kansas City in July 95.
Pavement was one top3 reasons wh me and my friends were going Lollapalooza 95.
"Crooked Crooked , Rain?"
Man was that a hot day. They were charging a ridiculous amount for bottle water, so I hung out in the mist tent...alot.
something like "you can only take so much...." my interpretation at least
I never got in to Pavement and I was only 3 years old when this happened. They’re still really well known. Slanted & Enchanted is popular album loved by many and inspired a lot of musicians that I love.
Seems like a buncha losers had to be immature and couldn’t handle Pavements set. I don’t really see how any of this can be pinned on Pavement.
I was there at that show in Charlestown WV. It was deadly hot…
Pavement is great, shame it had to happen to them.
that line up you spoke of minus bostones basically did this festival called summersault in Australia in the summer of 1996. Would have killed to have gone to that but alas i was only sixteen. Saw pavement one year later, best show ever.
Beck, Hole, Cypress Hill, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Sonic Youth, and others that day.
woah is that David Berman in the orange shirt at 1:14? RIP
At first I thought "no way" but I think it is actually. Not used to seeing him without a beard. There's a picture of DCB recording in Memphis in 1995 and he looks really similar. The guy in this video seems to hold himself very differently than DCB did tho. It's sort of uncanny...
@nunopumpkin That was woodstock and they were throwing mud on the stage, not AT green day. And it wasn't just mud with pavement, they were getting rocks and all sorts of other things thrown at them too.
I dig Pavement, but fuck it was a disaster when I saw them at Lollapalooza in Detroit...
steve is pretty calm when that rock hit him.... i wouldve flipped and threw the guitar... and what is this from??
I would of thrown the rock back haha
@@dyr234 you guys have to remember that that crowd would’ve gotten pissed off and couldve literally killed the band if they wanted to
I was there, I did not throw mud though. Most of the people there weren't even from WV. Charlestown, WV is close to MD, PA, and VA.
actually this was in atlanta and pavement did 2 sets one on the second stage too no one threw mud we love them down south they are really nice guys and a very hospitable the very last time i saw them at the 40 watt in 1999 they let me and my friends hang out on the bus it was a highlight of my life
Is that Dave Berman in the orange t shirt?
Is that the singer from Jesus Lizard shaving the drummer's beard?
captaintifany Yep thats him
this was in 1995 i konw it was the only year i went to palooza and only because pavement and sonic youth were there along with beck, cypress hill, super chunk, and we walked out of the main stage when hole played fuck hole
Is that david berman in the orange shirt?
probably, they are touring, hangout and recording together in 90s.
what steve says after the rock hits him?
Can you upload all of Slow Century? that would be sweeeeet
It was Charles Town .. Held at the recently demolished Shenandoah Downs racetrack
it looks and sounds exactly like David Yow to me.
The worst part of this show was getting out of the parking lot at the end. Traffic was a mess total disorganization
Is that David Yow at the end, shaving off Steve West's beard?
Yes
thank you
Spiral stairs has balls
sorry guys my english isn't good
I didn't understand what bob said about his equipment
1995 was by far the best lineup for what Perry's original idea was. It's why they HAD to go with Metallica and Soundgarden in 96. It was over after 97
Soundgarden hated being on that bill in 96, since the crowds didn't react to them.They were all there to see Metallica. Its one of the main reasons they broke up the first time was the hardship of Lollapalooze 96
I was there....George Clinton and the P Funk All-stars were incredible.... and so were the Beastie Boys.
Lollapalooza was cool when it first started, then it turned to shit after 1995. It got lame when dumb ass wannabes started to go to Lollapalooza shows because it was getting trendy and it was cool to like that kind of music. I remember for Lollapalooza 1994 when I bought my ticket I had cash and I bought about 8 extra tickets. The years before 1994 the festival didn’t sell out as much but I had a good feeling about that years lineup. The festival eventually sold out right away after a few days.
On the day of the show I went early around noon and there was a shit load of people outside the gate trying to get in the super sold out show. And I had about 8 extra tickets. When people outside the fence saw that I had extra tickets all of them rushed toward the chain link fence begging me for a ticket. Money talks. I ended up selling a $30 ticket for about $100-$200 dollars. I sold one for about $50 cuz the girl was cool. But I made over $1000 that day on about $250 of tickets. I remember friends asking me why I bought so many extra tickets.
Lollapalooza 1994 has the best line up EVER. Those were the days.
I was at the Houston Lollapalooza in 1994; Green Day, Beastie Boys, Tribe Called Quest, Parliment, L7! It was Unreal!
The 1992 date sold out thanks to the grunge bands. So yah, 1994 hm kay wanna bes ok bro
@@Zneiero 92 was the peak.
lollapalooza lives
it is so funny how much i love that song zurich is stained and that was part of an antagonistic buildup. as more of a crooked rain fan it's funny to be like...sorry for the melodically beautifully "lo-fi" style played over sly lyrics. but this is us and you can't judge everything on it's own merits but. really, let's be honest, it really just comes down to people being hot and aggravated with a woodstock green day means to protest if for no reason than to protest too much. idk i type.
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I don't think you were there, markd3z. The Beastie Boys and George Clinton didn't play. Beck, Elastica, Bosstones, Jesus Lizard did. Sonic Youth headlined. I came from PA, too.
Billy Corgan would laugh his ass off if he saw this video.
awesome!
My Dad is a huge fan of my band! LMAO
It's gotta be. I don't think there is anyone on this planet who could be mistaken for David Yow.
What did Stephen said?
That doofus crowd just weren't ready.
YES
Definitely Yow. Mac MacNeilly (Jesus Lizard Drummer) is 2 places to West's right too.
I was there
Does anyone know what Malkmus says just before he sturms off?
It does suck for Pavement that they got pummeled by the mud. I don't think I saw that happen and I'm displeased to see the way my neighbors act. The crowd that was there was a mix and there was a lot of jock types that just came to mosh to some of their favorite radio songs and their idea of moshing is beating each other up. I had a good time and wish there was more video of the day that I could find.
Pavement are like one of my favourite bands ever but so are Smashing Pumpkins (not as much though and i can't stand Billy Corgans attitude).
Damn, sorry.
They were just a little sweet and sour noisy grooving indie band that just did what did for fun and didn’t take themselves too seriously. What’s wrong with that?
@iamthepinkylifter
Listen man i'm not talking about the artists, but about the crowd. I worked for Pavement, Smashing Pumpkins, David Bowie, Paul McCartney, Hole, Nine inch Nails, Tool, The Rolling Stones and many many others. I know what i am talking about. .
I know!
Pavement was such a good band.
It's not even like they were playing poorly, either.
i want that LOGO shirt @3:33
wow...what does that have to do with this video? we get it, you know your history.
but yeah...Charles Town is on the eastern pandhandle, a very small sliver of land wedged between Virginia and Maryland. It's extremely close to DC and some other larger cities like Baltimore. Most of the people who went there were not from WV.
hhahaha scott is the man
This was Lollapalooza 95 not 94
cool.
That's what happens when intelligent band plays in front of low IQ Charlie bucky neck chew it crowds their heads explode....love pavement been a big fan of theirs since basically when they started seen them a few times i hate when great bands play at these out door events.
why is everyone in this video other than the band members of pavement describing pavement as a crappy band?
Because they were
Oh a double-wide?
What song are they playing at the beginning of this video?
Zurich Is Stained :)
simply Pavement giving 'pearls to pigs'.
@AzWicker1 zurich is stained
Dont think so.
Triple wide?
sorry it really was in 1995.
Pavement is awesome, they were doing it before Nirvana got famous, and West Virginia is....West Virginia.
this was the end of the great lollapoloza shows,, within a few years the new "woodstocks" came out and nu metal meatheads ruined it all....
lethrneck4 nu metal is good too
except frisbees.
@iamthepinkylifter @iamthepinkylifter
. The atmoshere @ gigs in the US is rubbish and almost always a poor crowd. Belgian festivals are the best in the world when you talk about line-ups, crowd, backstage,... ROCK WERCHTER is the favorite festival from almost every artist our band that played there.
Thurston :)
i wouldve tossed my guitar at the crowd, instead of walking off and crying, lollapalooza sucks
@piggystardust hmm. it's too bad most of the artists the world listens to, including Pavement, are and have been American. When was the last time a Belgian artist got big enough to come to the states at all? Plastic Bertrand? Also, America is a huge country and vastly different from region to region. to throw down such a blanket statement just speaks to your own ignorance.
Virginia the southern state and everything is clear lol...
No. That guy looks nothing like Scott.
Disregard the Floyd comment
Some people really suck.
what the other guy said is tru the smashing pumpkins sucked billy corgan claims indie bands are afraid to make good music he was on a major label and his music is just distorted guitars and nasily whining. all of pavments albums are great and there on matador
Pink floyd 94 rfk
exactly @ laser beam, Pavement did in Lollapalooza, Lollapalooza did not do in Pavement, fuck who let all those hogs out of their pen, no sorry, that's an insult to hogs