Hey Destiny I might try to reach out to you but I don't know how. *1:08:22* it's called sexual racism meaning selective breeding it's not always bigoted but it is what it is. Aba is a dark humor comedian that's why he made it on right wing leaning TH-cam.
*1:47:14* when did Destiny say "Aba was friendly to White people?" like everyone knows every Black person on Destiny's stream has a form of self loathing it's public knowledge on twitter
Abs is annoying with his virtue signaling to the redpill community. The point is, why care to the point your panties are twisted? Fat people are either gonna stay fat or get skinny. It’s their decision. Aba spent the entire pandemic talking about people making their own personal decisions and here he is shaming people for making their own personal decision. And we know he’s virtue signaling because Preach is fat but when this topic comes up does he ever try to lecture preach? No, he doesn’t. But he’ll lecture people he doesn’t even know or care about…cringe. I have overweight friends. I don’t criticize them because it’s on THEM to lose weight. I’m not gonna sit there and shame them for their decisions that has no affect on anyone else but them. Also, he brought up how it’s a bad counter argument to say there’s fat healthy people and unhealthy in shape people…but that’s a good argument when he’s got his entire comment section saying how fat=unhealthy
@@jamesdoakes4956 I don't know why you deleted your comment but that was a good reply. We are in the TH-cam game if making money plus all sides pander but to what degree. I don't take everything they say seriously. It's like Playback they demonize Fresh and Fit yet they claim they're part of the game culture & they feel every Black should be used to racism So they crtize Blacks to get views and virtual signal that's why they lied about Jews being a race and thinking Blacks and Whites will support them it backfired when they said Blacks thinm they're get keepers but 007 and Low generalize the most.
Well the problem is a lot of people nowadays are extremely sensitive to any sort of criticism. They see the most fair and healthy critiques as an outright attack. So it makes things that much more touch and go when you’re trying to be honest with someone.
As a former fat ass it is definitely in our heads that people at the gym are judging us. One person looks at you for more than 2 secs, you think they’re shaming you. 99% of gym goers do not give a shit about you lmao.
yeah 100% I would willing to put money on it too, noone cares about if you are fat or not. they either think they are doing good or they dont give a shit at all
As a current personal trainer, no it isn't. The number of people who think it's okay to body shame others in the gym is way higher than these people want to acknowledge.
As someone who lost 78 pounds off of just dieting, counting calories and paying close attention to nutrition labels is something that really helps. The mental boost that you get from having that control also was a killer bonus
@@T-The-K i also counted calories and just kicked all soda and fast food, bread as well. and in a year lost 70+ pounds. no slow changes just a huge stop. might not ork for everyone but just dropping excess sugars should make anyone lose some weight
@@T-The-K I wouldn't call it dieting. It's just changing your eating habits. I still eat takeout but when I eat, I try to make it protein-based. Protein keeps you fuller, longer. I also weigh my food by the grams to keep track of how much I eat. Serving sizes are almost always inaccurate. If you weigh it by the grams it's more accurate.
@@T-The-K A trick that helps a lot is to eat more meals (3-4) with small portions. It boosts your metabolism and keeps it running throughout the entire day. I cut back a lot on sugar and carbs, while replacing most of my drinks with water. Also, as someone above mentioned, you should try to intake a lot of protein. It keeps you full and also boosts your metabolism.
@indonesianbob68 What type of foods do you eat? I'm trying to lose weight and everyone says cut out bread but for so long things like toast and sandwiches are regular for me 😂 idk what to switch it out with 😩
As a previous fat person who started to go the gym, I even went a couple of times with my parents, and I have never once been laughed at or made fun off. I understand it can happen but people at the gym were generally actually supportive and helped me out even.
thank you for bringing this up. I was a manager in my gym and I made it my goal to kick out anyone who would pick on others and the best part is I never had to kick anyone out
Question really quick, how tall are you? I'm just asking because i was someone that was bullied a lot when I was young but by like 13-14 I was 6'3" and it just died out. I'm wondering if it happens more to average height of lower than average height people. Also I'm a guy.
@@yawgg It's correct both ways anyway. You can lift all you want if you don't eat enough, won't gain much. Lifting is the easy part, diet is the hard one. For both gaining and losing weight/muscle. I have never heard anyone say differently.
Powerlifters have to stay within their weight classes, when I was doing it, a huge part of it was understanding how to eat correctly and progress in strength at the Sametime. You really can't outlift a shit diet. It'll show on the scale. But lifting will help passively with weight loss
When I was obese and starting to lift weights, the gym community was more positive, encouraging and helpful than my own family. When I first went to the gym, thats when I realized that nobody is judging me or focused on how bad I look. They're too busy working on themselves to care about what Im doing 90% of the time, and the other 10% of the time they would help me out with tips and spotting. I had to learn to stop projecting my fear of what people thought onto other gym goers.
I had this same experience as well but I was super skinny. Had people who would just come up to me and give me pointers or would offer to help me out. I was actually super surprised because I was expecting the opposite lol. Not to say that there aren’t people who are a holes but it’s definitely the minority
If we want people to become healthier, being overweight shouldn't be shamed but it should unequivocally be acknowledged as unhealthy. The implication that being overweight or even obese is without health consequences should be fought against at every turn
I think instead of highlighting that it's unhealthy what should be highlighted is what leads to obesity. How it occurs and how to fight it over just saying. Hey fatty being fat is unhealthy.
My husband and I go to a bodybuilder competition gym and they have been nothing but kind and encouraging. My husband was almost 400 pounds, and the owner and many of the trainers have helped him get down to 285 in four months without charging him a dime. I cannot tell you how many times people have come up to him and said they were so happy to see him in the gym and wish more people would take that step. Many competition bodybuilders will come over and help us with form checks to make sure we are not going to hurt ourselves while working with barbells or dumbells.
Can your husband get me in contact with these guys??? I’m sitting at 300-280 and I can’t fix the diet. Shits just not working for me. I’m in the gym 5 days a week minimum.
@@jsaktony1 id honestly meet with a dietician (not a nutritionist, the differenfe is a degree). If youre putting in the work like you say and not seeing a significant change, its definitely your diet. BUT do note muscle is even denser than fat, you might not be losing much weight because youre also gaining muscle, you gain muscle incredibly quickly for your first month or two and it could just be that. Either way, keep up the good work and hope it works out for you!
@@johntron3849 In the gym no he has not. Outside of the gym he has a few times by women when he questions their driving techniques when they almost get themselves run over by his rig when they pull in front of him and jam on the breaks.
The most support I ever got at the gym was when I was super obese 275lbs. I've never been in a gym environment where I think people would feel comfortable shitting on other people. all the really jacked dudes were so friendly, optimistic, and positive like they were excited just to see you there.
It's one of my favourite sights, seeing someone entering the gym to improve themselves. It's almost a religous like experience, seeing someone convert, like they've seen the light
It highly depends on the gym environment. At the "old school" gyms I've been to which focus on a powerlifting and bodybuilding, there's generally a pretty supportive environment. However, in the "fancier" gyms I've been to, the environment is quite judgemental and toxic.
99% of the people at the gym are super supportive and would even be willing to help guide you. I've never felt judged or been shamed. At worst, everyone ignores you, at best, they'll come over and help you if your form is wrong or you need a bit of guidance.
It makes literally no sense for a average gym goer to look at a fat person and go "Look at you. trying to make a change for your health! Disgusting!" Whenever someone trots out the argument that they might be shamed by some major amount of people in a gym environment I'm always confused. And if you are being acosted and shamed by those people, I'm sure you can rock up to the management to say something, or, take this thing called Willpower, and don't let those people stand between you and your health goals.
Destiny: Putting on muscle is way more understood than losing weight And everything he had to say about this matter was incredibly eye opening for me as a relatively newish watcher of Destiny's content. Now that I know that he has the ability to get frothing angry while being completely incorrect about something, even going so far as to lash out at Aba saying rightfully so that any personal trainer (and you can add any kinesiologist, any nutritionist, any semi-serious athlete) would agree that burning fat/losing weight a direct result of energy expenditure and caloric intake and that research into muscle growth, and the actual physiological nuance of that study is on-going and way under-developed in understanding. If Destiny can be this confidently unhinged while being incorrect it really calls into question how he's seemingly confident about other fairly benign and WIDELY understood topics. Just because mental health, habits etc are a factor of whether or not a person can motivate themselves to stick to a healthier routine, this can be true without at all having an impact on the mechanical facts of weight loss. "Gaining muscle is as simple as picking up heavy things and putting them down" is a gross over simplification of the mechanical reality of gaining muscle, but the same mental health shit that's got Destiny lost in the weeds being retarded can be applied to gaining muscle too. If you can't motivate yourself to stick to a weight lifting routine due to your mental health, then by his logic it's just as nebulously hard to understand and overcome. "PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BUILDING MUSCLE FOR OUR ENTIRE HUMAN HISTORY" alright, this is the gift that just keeps on giving.
lol, when he gets frothing at the mouth triggered he loses his careful considered speech and commonly overstates stuff. He also has a really bad habit of not being able to admit he overstates stuff when he is upset and if later someone asks him about it when he's no longer upset, he'll generally weave a big web to explain how actually it was completely reasonable. But, I don't think he's really that off base here. I'm not an expert on this but I've read a fair amount of literature on exercise, dieting, and weight loss (not much on building muscle though). Some of the stuff he's pushing back on is conventional wisdom that empirical research doesn't bear out. I skipped through the video a bit though, I can't really stand the multi-party screaming matches. So I might have missed something. For example, I was a bit surprised to hear Kyla (who's also usually pretty reasonable/reliable) say (something like) the best advice you can give a fat person is to put on muscle. Every paper I've ever read that compared diet to exercise (both cardio and resistance training, with reasonable interventions) found that caloric restriction is far superior in weight loss. And anecdotally (if that's your thing), scrolling through the comments here you see tons of success stories about losing weight through caloric restriction and I haven't seen a single one (yet) claiming to have lost a bunch of fat from just gaining muscle. From my experience when I increase my activity I tend to get hungrier so I have to control my hunger one way or the other. My understanding of the comment about pick thing up, put thing down, gain muscle was more just saying, if you do that, you will gain muscle mass. Not to say that the perfect regimen for muscle gain is completely understood in totality. Though I could be wrong. Also, as someone who has watched Destiny for several years, he is wrong about things sometimes. And his views change over time. When I first started watching him in 2016 he was pro-life and had some (imo) bad arguments to support his positions that didn't feel that well thought through or informed by biology. But where he's at now feels really reasonable even though I still don't totally agree with him.
If youre overweight, its going to be easier to go to the gym for 1 hour a day, rather than changing the lifestyle/diet. This means for most overweight people they will find building muscle easier than losing weight.
Destiny seems to be under the impression that consistency in the gym is easy. It isn’t. We all know someone who got a membership to a gym, they go for a few weeks and drop out. Just like losing weight is simple, but not easy, getting into very good shape is simple but not easy.
If I was awake during streams and tuned in, I would spam askers every time she started talking. She's a nice enough person, but I never want to see her on Steven's stream.
As someone who body builds as a hobby for 8 years it’s actually so hard listening to destiny sound like he knows what’s he’s talking about when it comes to building muscle or losing fat.
Yeah he clearly doesn’t know about the plateau effect. Your body is so smart and effective to adapting to the change you do. Building mass is not easy and takes years.
How is it possible that Destiny has been working out from what I understand 2+ years without making any gains. He seriously must have incredibly low Test levels whether by lifestyle or because of some medical condition.
Exactly. This was hard to watch. Destiny does this a lot on many topics too. It sounds like he really knows what he’s talking about but if you have any experience or education on the topic, you always see that it’s always just empty/incorrect points
@@estebanvelarde1 he haa genuine anger issues, inferiority complex and trauma and when he gets triggered by anything, like losing in a vidjagame it shows. Doesnt mean he cant act norma, but when he gets mad, he gets MAD
I am not one to defend the trinity of 'greed' as we may label them, but between lets say wings/ltg and dsp. LTG at the very least can interact and uphold an image of himself and be respectful of others if they fall within his standards. There are alot of other things on top of this but LTG can actually respect a peer if he deems them 'worthy'
LTG somehow manages to get me to agree with half of his sentence and disagree with the otherhalf, But i appreciate his take on not clowning, the fact that he would rather want to spend the time to fix it,then make fun of it and move on is more then most people would do.
I just can't listen to him say "sto-sto-sto-sto-sto-sto-stop" or "hol-hol-hol-hol-hol-hol-holup" or literally shushing people when he wants to speak, it's extremely annoying that he cuts off anything thats going on, kinda like those "debates" that are all about who can scream the loudest. Even if I agree with him on some points, he just makes the back and forth arguments annoying as hell.
@@Moni-u1e You're not seriously saying that of him and not of literally everyone else in the room are you ? xD How about only one person talks at a time, and everybody else in the room shuts the f- up ? He wouldn't have to do that. The back and forth is annoying af, but that's certainly not because of Aba, he just adapts to the environment. It's super unfair to say that of him and not of everyone else, because everyone of the other people in the room are actually doing it.
I can promise you as someone who’s fat and has been to multiple gyms in different cities nobody cares about you being in the gym at all, encountering a negative situation is incredibly rare and if it did happen I can almost promise you other people at that gym would stand up for you
It’s generally not strangers who make remarks, but people you actually know lol.. They’ll act surprised you go to the gym, or give you tons of unsolicited advice about “you should be doing cardio” or “you shouldnt be doing cardio” lol
Top tier moment for me was when LTG laid out his body dysmorphia about how when anyone used to call him skinny he would cry. And then proceeds to say the opposite at 30:40 that people don't make fun of skinny people lmao
someone stating youre skinny isnt necessarily them making fun of you. body dysmorphia is a mental struggle where LTG took the comment of him being skinny as a negative thing even if it wasnt meant to be seen that way. he explained this.
Losing fat is hard because of your diets discipline. After you’ve lifted heavy shit eating is so fun cos you just eat shit loads of protein. Im 6 foot with a fast metabolism so it might be different for others
Honestly, this conversation was overly exaggerated and complicated then it really is. When you go to the gym consistently doing the same exercises with progressive overload you will build muscle. Those first few years of Building muscle will be easier than year 10 of building muscle. Losing fat you have to be able to consistently be in a caloric deficit for months. For some it's easy and some others hard. Also, destiny is taking so many L's this stream I felt that embarrassment. Did have a few semi good takes but destiny's got to hold that L
As a skinny man that's been skinny his whole life I've been made fun of my whole life and no one gives a f*** about skinny people come on let's be real
Well when you have a retarded workout program like destiny where you do 3 sets of 5 on squat and have 3 minute breaks in between each set and you workout twice a week you wouldn’t gain much muscle
Something being simple doesn’t make it easy. Hacking at a tree with an axe for hours at a time is simple, but Would require a good bit of endurance and effort.
Destiny- "You can give 10 people different workout plans and they will all gain muscle. But you give 10 people different diet plans and maybe one works and the others give up" ...So do we just assume no one on the workout side will give up. That hasn't been my experience.
As a skinny person in a rural area I think you get WAY more criticism and name calling nowadays then fat folks. It may depend on the state, but I'm willing to bet cash on this.
True when you're in your teenage years a fat guy will get bullied less because he can pick you up and throw you away than a skinny guy who can be blown away from wind.
I have never in my life seen a fatty get bullied in a gym. If anything, there are people that donate their time to help them out. I give them sideglances sometimes, but only to make sure they're not doing something unsafe for them, which does happen. Recently I was doing a midnight workout, it was basically just me and an obese guy that was trying to do dips. Had to put a stop to that. Aba talked about his past experiences of being deathly skinny and not a single person made an Ethiopian joke. L.
I've seen that shit. Only once to be fair, and the bullies were mostly teenage guys. They got kicked out almost immediately. The real issue based on what I've seen and heard is, that a lot of overweight people have such low self-confidence that every look that is directed towards them, is immediately interpreted as demeaning, insulting, disrespectful, you know the drill. Thats why its nice to go there with a friend if you need some encouragement and positive vibes at the start 👍
@@neronihil1710 well but to be fair, it's ingrained in everyone's mind since childhood that fat people are funny to look at, lazy, disgusting etc etc, so being looked at as a fat person usually does mean they were looked at for their size. I know it's mostly an issue of self perception, but that also means that every negative and rude comment towards fat people in general will be internalised further, making their confidence even worse. I think that's also why fat acceptance in the right way is the only solution, as in specifically accepting and loving yourself despite being fat.
I’ve seen several people trying to secretly record fat and inexperienced people at the gym. It’s also a whole trend on TikTok to post videos making fun of these people
@@Glitch_II I get your point but I have to disagree with the last part of it. There is no true, real or guaranteed one size fits all solution to the problem. Some people need to accept themselfs, while others need to get their asses kicked to motivate them. Loving and accepting yourself can serve as motivation and support for some but also as a convenient excuse to give up early or never get up to begin with. Believe me, I've been there. 32 years old, struggling with depression etc.
I’d argue that diet plays a slightly bigger role in the equation. You can go to the gym for 2 hours a day, 6 days a week and it won’t mean nothing if you’re constantly eating takeout every night and downing red bulls every day. At best you’re only treading water if you only do that.
@@User71956 100% agree. Knut tried to advise Destiny on this early on. But Destiny ignored it. But thats why its funny listening to Destiny talk like he has any idea how to lose weight or gain muscle. Id sat gaining muscle its closer to 50/50 diet and exercise. But with losing weight? 90% diet. Not even exaggerating.
@@zaktilzer5130 He was right about everything in the video - You are criticisng Destiny's ability to be knowledgeable by bringing up his ability to follow-through. Also, you're doing the thing again, where someone has only successfully gone to the gym when they're a six pack shredded guy, instead of looking at it by what their results are in terms of %. In terms of % Destiny has built a lot of muscle over the last 1-2 years.
@@adamanderson3042 Its not about follow through. He never took the dieting part seriously. As I said Knut tried to help him, but he just cut him off and ignored him. From videos ive seen where he talks about his gains theyre not very good. Youre implying a pot in my post that I never said. 6 packs are hard to get. And harder the older you are. And without cutting out breads, most sugars, butter, excess salt, its going to be hard unless youre super skinny. Might as well just hit the cardio, get that cardio work in. And call it a day. And the beginning of gaining muscle, if youre dieting correctly u should see very big gains.
@@adamanderson3042 And also, its hard to take someone seriously with their workout takes, when they thenselves cant seem to accomplish much. Esoecially when they come iff as condescending and arrogant.
Kyla is absolutely right about more muscle mass = higher metabolic rate. If you’ve never done the work, gained the muscle, and lived the process successfully, then you just can not relate or act like that’s incorrect meanwhile you’re physique looks like shit. It’s a slow long process of training and teaching your body to utilize food correctly and build the muscle (along with fat), as well as spiking the metabolism. most don’t have discipline for that. At any time after putting on muscle and fat you can change the food in specific ways to drop your body fat and retain majority if the muscle mass gained. That’s where having more muscle fibers needing to use up more energy requires the metabolism to be working, which is only achieved through carefully training your body to use food in that way.
It's a stupid point though because the effect is neglible. A pound of muscle increases RMR by 6 calories a day, so even if you somehow managed to gain 50 pounds of muscle you would only increase RMR by 300.
@@ravnkelskoldulv8511 You realize that’s per day though. Burning an extra 300 calories a day would result in a lb of fat lost every 11.6 days. Even though 50lbs of muscle added is unrealistic, a beginning lifter is expected to gain 15-25lbs. So their RMR would increase by 90-150 per day or 630-1,050 per week. A lb of fat is roughly 3500 calories. I guess in the short run you won’t see much of a difference, but it definitely adds up over time.
When I hear "personal trainer" and "degree in Exercise Science" that translates to me as "lets have you doing jumping jacks on a bosu ball" and "squats are bad for your knees and deadlifting is bad for your back"
Hes not skinny now, but has chicken legs, while claiming he is superior intellectually and is a superior "specimen" he calls other people "Mars workers" Dude is essentially Vaush but homophobic/racist and works out.
@@Lhoyte1 yeah whole “fat shaming doesn’t exist” narrative falls on its face when you start talking about your troubles with being shamed for being skinny
I was fat as a kid and I was fat again as an adult when I started "bulking", I felt miserable both times. Ended up buying a food scale and counting calories and the weight just fell right off. Any time somebody complains about being fat, I just suggest them to buy a bodyweight scale and food scale and they always laugh and say that's too much work. I'll say when my gf was saying "Oh I love a bear bod" when I was 215Ibs standing at 5'7, I let that help my cope. Straight up, don't let people aid your cope, it doesn't help you at all. Now I'm sitting at 175 and feeling happy with myself for losing the weight.
Food scales is one of the best inventions ever bro I love mine so much. I lost 36 kilos in 14 months just bn gaining muscle ever since, Thanks coach Greg doucette and Sean nalewanyi
The biggest thing that I have seen is when we normalize fat shaming it doesn’t just get targeted toward the massively obese people. Especially when it comes to seeing fat people as unhealthy. You have people that just have a certain body type that’s not seen as slim or that are a little chunky and you the common person looks at them as unhealthy and fat shames them as well.
Here's the cold truth about fitness: It takes longer to get into shape than to get out of it. You are going to have to work hard five out of seven days a week. You have to stick to a program to the specific goal. Its a lifestyle, not a diet.
I've never seen a fat person shamed at any gym I've been to in my 15 yrs of lifting. The only thing I've seen anyone be shamed for was body odor. If anything this is mental on the fat person's part. They're probably thinking to themselves "everyone thinks I'm fat blah blah" when it's really not the case
@@Axel227 I'm sure it has happened before, but it's not the norm at all. Paranoia on fat people's part is more normal than outsiders fat shaming them. I once saw a fat person leave the gym bc they were frustrated at their own inability to do simple movements. No one shamed them, they just quit. Luckily I saw them back in there again in the future so they just gave up in a rough moment but not entirely
Yea I’m sure the big dumb gym companies putting policies against this and ending memberships over it are less knowledgeable on this than you, a man who can’t engage with any point that shows his hypocrisy and a addiction counselor who thinks bullying is a good way to get change from people lol.
@@Axel227 I don't follow anybody, it's a public gym. If that's the concern then work out at home. You can't go in public & then tell everyone to put blinders on. You're literally asking people to not address the elephant in the room, if they can't get over it they can stay fat. Must not want it bad enough
@@Axel227 I don't stare at anybody lol you're just making up scenarios & projecting them onto me. If I'm gonna stare in the gym trust me it won't be at a fat person. I'd be staring at ass if anything
48:20 that was a bad faith argument on Destiny's part. What he did there was make a non-parity analogy. So for the weightlifters, he says that all the weightlifters have to do is follow the program and they're going to gain weight. And for the weight losser, what he said is that no matter what program you give them, they're going to find some way to not do the program correctly and as a consequence of that, they're not going to lose the weight. You see the difference between the two different sides there. On the weightlifter sides you're saying that they're going to use the program and do it correctly and so they're going to have the correct results. Then on the other side for the weight loss people, you're not making it analogous by saying that the people are also going to follow the weight loss plan correctly. You're saying they're not going to follow the program correctly and in that case they won't lose the weight. To correct Destiny's analogy what he should have said is people who go to the gym and follow a mass gaining program will gain weight and people who follow a diet to lose weight will not lose the weight. Now that's a more accurate statement in the sense that both sides of the analogy are following the plan correctly and the outcome of that plan is laid out, whereas the weight gainers are gaining weight by following the program and the weight losers are not losing the weight and they're also following the program. But that's actually not the case. The weight losers if they were to actually follow the diet the way that it was attended to be followed would actually lose weight. So the most correct comparison Destiny should have said is that weight gainers who go to the gym and follow their workout program will gain weight as a consequence of following the program and dieters who follow the program will also lose weight as a consequence of following the program. The reason most people fail on diets is because they can't follow the program because they lack the ambition or willpower to do so. The program itself is not flawed and allows for weight loss to happen.
@@Dankbuds Can you point out what's wrong though? He explained things very simplistic, but I'm 1hr in and still haven't heard anything outrageous. Seems like a circle jerk to say he's wrong, but not correct it?
It is a fact that shaming skinny people is socially acceptable. I never seen anyone go up to a fat person and ask why they are fat, but I have experienced countless of times where I was asked why I was skinny, people are so damn hypocritical about this topic. Rules for thee but not for me.
@@donet0death240 Thats debatable. I think women generally prefer to look skinny over fat because it highlight their features, but men generally prefer to look fat over skinny because it can represent status, ( just look at sumo wrestlers 😂), where being skinny is more often associated with poverty and bad health. I could be wrong, but I honestly think it's because it's more profitable for the system to promote the idea that you can be healthy at any size as long as it is surplus, so if you decide to go against the status quo, fat people will be more inclined to feel offended.
@@felix-the-cat4453 It's really not debatable. You can find exceptions to the rule, but generally speaking fat=ugly. If the sumo wrestler had the exact same amount of money and status, but a more fit body, he would be more attractive. End of story. And the argument that fat represents status is something from the middle ages. In today's first world countries where starvation isn't an issue, nobody associates obesity with wealth.
@@wizardddy3023 That's why I chose the word 'status' and not 'attractiveness'. Women are by nature more hypergamous than men, and are more often attracted to power over physical beauty. For men it's generally the complete opposite.
As a person who's been on dating apps for a decent amount of time, I've literally lost count of the amount of girls who have a height requirement in their bio, and for the ones who don't have it in their bio, height ends up being the 1st question they ask about. I have no issue whatsoever with people listing their preferences (height and weight), but Destiny's take that this is only on 1% of women's profiles is completely wrong.
All I’m saiyan is, as long as women are free to exclude potential partners based on height, I will happily continue to exclude potential partners based on weight😂
Men generally already do that. Also let’s not act like men themselves don’t have height preference themselves. There’s a reason why tall girls feel so undatable.
"OH yeah you guys if you wanna lose weight efficiently just get fat to build muscle and then work out." Said destiny with sarcasm and venom. Describing the bulk and cut process, which is a very legitimate way to drop hella weight especially over time.
You can overcome obesity by never stepping foot in a gym lmao. The girl speaking @9:50 is a moron. I need to get into these debates. Losing weight is very, VERY simple. Calories in, walk 3-4 times a week around your neighborhood, at least a mile. You never have to go to a gym. In fact, if you're someone who's struggling with losing weight, I highly advise against a gym membership, because you'll get the membership and then hardly, if ever, go to the gym and you'll never cancel your membership. First, fix your diet. Once you do that, find a local park, get a book or something from Audible or podcast, and start walking. You'll be in a better mood too, especially since you're getting more Vitamin D, which is great for regulating your immune system and regulating your mood. Sitting in front of a computer with a bad diet may not always make you fat, but it is 100% making you depressed. Seriously, just ONE HOUR, out of your day. GO for a walk. In fact, I'm gonna go do it right now with my dog.
48:32 Apatite is hard to overcome but that door swing both ways, a lot of "hard gainers" have terrble apatites and find it just as hard to keep eating as big people find it hard to stop eating, you have to fight all day to force feed yourself when you aint hungry
Most people that get upset that someone doesn’t want to be belittled are just mad that they can’t get away with being rude. Some people are over sensitive but why the fuck is anyone justifying being an asshole? There’s a massive difference between calling someone out for being overweight and unhealthy because they need it vs seeing someone heavier than you that IS HEALTHY AND FINE and thinking you’re in the right for talking down to them. No you’re weird if that’s your mindset. Friends roasting is different especially if they know when to stop and what boundaries are. Bigger people as long as they aren’t steadily getting bigger and they’re healthy don’t need a stranger calling them out for being bigger. They know. I’m skinny as fuck and it’s not super healthy for my height which is 6’3 but I also have a fast metabolism and eat a lot so I can’t just gain that weight easily I lose faster than I gain. The reverse is true for some bigger people so you don’t get to be upset that they’re upset with your words. Jokes are fine enough when they’re not malicious but how aggressively some people want to talk about others appearances just for being fat not even morbidly obese but simply for being fat I’m getting red flags that that’s a glass house about to throw stones.
Because caring about the words of strangers, especially asshole strangers is weak. We live in a society where youth freak out & fucking cry over being misgendered or the wrong pronouns from fucking strangers. Now, I don't believe in bullying strangers, but a person begging the world to never make fun of them for being fat is just being weak.
I’ve worked at a gym for 4,5 years and he’s not wrong. I’ve seen it. Even some coworkers sometimes do it just because they’re bored and have nothing else to do. They’re right there’s some great people but just because you haven’t seen the bad ones doesn’t mean they’re not out there. I’ve seen and heard plenty.
The truth is losing weight as a fat person or building muscle as a skinny person is easy but once you get to a certain point that is different for everybody it's going to be increasingly difficult and more complicated to reach your goals.
Destiny was completely incorrect about gaining muscle mass not contributing to losing weight. He really needs to do some basic research before being so adamantly wrong.
Man, I have so much to say about this personally. I'm 34 as of today actually, I weigh around 230lbs, a few years ago I weighed about 405lbs. So, as much as I hate Lav, she's right ultimately in that if you're overweight, you really don't have to go to the gym to lose weight, you just need to eat less and eat differently. I lost about 200lbs in one year by just switching to keto, and eating less. One meal a day, every now and then I'd skip a day or two in a row. I read the book the Ketogenic Diet by a Canadian Dr here (tip of my tongue) and cutting out sugar/pasta/potatoes was only really hard for the first month or so, then got easy. AND I DID IT ON A SHIT DIET version of keto, where I'd just eat like, a couple sausages and some cut up cheese. Some deli meats to snack on every now and then. If or mostly go to mcDonalds and get some McDoubles without buns. You can eat like four of those in one sitting as a meal in a day and it's incredibly fatty and filling and is still not enough calories that an obese person won't just melt away while in ketosis. I'm only just now starting to work out a bit, I had lost almost all of the weight in one year, and the last couple of years or so I've just maintained my weight, going on and off keto around holidays. People should actually look into fasting, and just the incredible myth that is that we need to eat as much as we do. Kneejerk reaction from virtue signally chicks is that it'll cause you to start 'eating disorders', that's retarded, just learn about it and chill. Your body adapts incredibly quickly, we used to be hunters not just have pantries full of cookies and shit. Also, in my experience being fat, I've NEVER been discriminated against in a gym in any way shape or form (if it matters, I'm Canadian I guess, but we have dicks too in general) the only time I could imagine it happening reasonably is one of the examples mentioned where I guess 14-16 year olds could maybe make fun of a fat person? Generally speaking I've only interacted with guys at the gym and they've always been SUPER down to support me and even ask me what my routine is, check my form, spot me, whatever. That perception is just some fat insecurity projection shit ALSO, I am one of the types of people that benefit from fat shaming, knowing I need to do something about it and society reinforcing that it's not healthy, that fat people should change their outcome etc has definitely had an impact on me. And now at 405lbs to hovering in the 220-230 range, I too of course testify with everyone else that being fat sucks and people need to just stop fucking around, or die early and own it. Also, appetite is controlled by a hormone called ghrelin, which is suppressed through eating less and dieting. So Destiny getting hung up during his full-retard mode about appetite is largely moot if he bothered to learn about any of this.
One of the most annoying parts of the "fat shaming" dialogue here is they correctly point out that most of the gym shaming is self inflicted anxiety than it is people being awful, but they don't got the single step further and ask, "Hey fat person, why would you be so self conscious being in a room full of other people doing activities that highlight how fat and out of shape you are?". The point is that if we didn't publicly shit on people as a normalized attack against them, then fat people wouldn't be constantly thinking people are talking shit about them in an environment that's suppose to be about positive growth.
I'm a fat dude and I don't get made fun of at the gym, yall tripping. You there to work out not pat attention to see if people looking at you funny or talking about you. Focus on the gains 💪 ✨️
I hear it from time to time aimed at other people but no worries they legit aren't going to walk up to you and call you a fat ass hell they mock the smell but they definitely aren't going to approach you about it.
23:43 he's right, you have to consistently consume protein to provide muscles the proper nutrients to gain muscle while avoiding excess fat. There's that certain gram per bodyweight/pound you have to maintain just to build onto of training. Losing fat, all you have to do is stop overeating, most people don't even know something as simple as a cup/serving of most drinks is 240ml. Before I started measuring, I'm pretty sure I was consuming like 300ml+ per serving. That stuff adds up.
As Destiny said 15 times. The PRINCIPLES you're referencing that are HIGH-EFFORT, are PRINCIPLES for MIN-MAXING IF. YOU. LIFT. DE. WEIGHTS. YOU. BUILD. DE MUSCLE. END OF DISCUSSION DON'T FUCKING CARE IF YOU REPLY TO ME "WELL WHAT IF YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA MANAGER BETRAYS YOU AND GOES TO WORK FOR THE OTHER MR OLYMPIA CONTESTANTS" THEN I WILL BLOW MY BRAINS OUT.
One of the biggest revelations I had when I got into fitness was just how screwed our perceptions of food portions are. Some people eat way too much, and some don't eat enough. Finding that balance can be tough.
Im not overweight but a game changer for me as an adult was getting back into athletics (Climbing/Bouldering). Playing a sport you love is so fun, it doesn't even feel like you are working out.
As someone who trains seriously and is looking into becoming a part time trainer on the side. Fitness is one of those topics I just can't watch Destiny discuss. It triggers me so much haha. He is always dead wrong about so much. Erudite is pretty much always generally correct on her fitness takes. A simple google search will reveal that most of what she says it true.
bro you LITERALLY train seriously. You cannot compare yourself to normal ass people just trying to get some muscle and look good. stop taking fucking extremes and going "bro shit is hard up here" The point destiny was making is that it's easier for a normal dude to put on SOME OR ANY muscle than it is for that SAME DUDE to lose even 20lbs. if you wanna bitch about the extremes, you start sounding like those League pros saying shit like Diamond is the real hell. You're already better than 99% of players, of fucking COURSE it's harder to rank up, that's how EXTREMES work. think of it like this. how hard do you think it is for a fat person to gain 10% more fat? probably fucking difficult as SHIT. a 300lb person gaining another 30lbs? thats fucking CRAZY hard and takes a long ass time. it's the same concept as a normal fairly fit person wanting to get in better shape, it's gonna be fucking ROUGH and take a long ass time to see the same improvements you were seeing before.
35:40 as someone who literally has a brother who is super skinny but intakes a lot of calories, I can say that Destiny is wrong on this one. His doctor told him to eat more milkshakes and shit just because of how skinny he was and that was years ago and he's still underweight at 23
Yo brother needs to track his calories, and then increase by 100 bi weekly until the lbs start coming on, he isn't immune to the laws of thermodynamics lbs will eventually come on.
Your bro probably has an exoskeleton build. Burns a lot of calories by doing the bare minimum. The trick is to eat more protein because carbs are just going to go right through him.
@@micah459 he's not. Again he's not immune to thermodynamics these are laws not opinions. And the laws of thermodynamics aren't broken like the US laws. Even things like fidgeting can increase calorie expenditure.
I couldn't put on weight at all no matter what a drank and ate until around 30 when my metabolism slowed down. But then I did a fair amount of exercise so maybe I could have if lazier.
Papa Gut probably got told one time how to properly lift or something got in their feelings and never went back and just ran with the narrative that gym people hate those trying to better their lives
Honestly, as a skinny guy who started going to the gym everyday and drinking a scoop of protein powder after every session, I can totally get where destiny is coming from. He’s not talking about becoming a 180 pound muscle-mass demon, he’s talking about seeing pecs for the first time in your life. All things considered, it’s pretty easy to get to if you just go and bench press an amount you feel good with and then get enough protein. I also will confess doing that immediately makes you feel inhumanly superior to everyone else on earth who isn’t muscular, like “oh what? You’re not doing this minimum effort thing that even me, a clueless moron, is doing?” Anorher really good weight loss strat is also to stop drinking boba tea (balls at the bottom)
Exactly. The confusion came when LTG said "it's harder to build muscle". Destiny got trigger from the phrase but autocorrected to "muscle mass". Which is considered different from just building muscle and made some of his statement wrong.
It's harder to build muscles. Look at Destiny. He supposedly go to a gym. He looks like a person who never lifted anything in his life. Even his posture is f@ked. It took me like 6 month to learn about my body & start gaining muscles. Do you know how long it takes you to kick out the bad food habits? It takes 3 days!! Just don't eat for 3 days & the food cravings go away!!! Humans can go without food for like 40 days. The danger is when your body starts eating muscles & internal organs. If you are fat, you can probably double that time. Fat people have so much fat reserves, it would take months to kill a fat person.
@@bestdjaf7499 Food cravings do not go away in 3 days and the habits built over a lifetime in a culture that teaches you nothing about eating healthy are harder to get rid of.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Just ask any person who has fasted. The first day is a bit difficult. The 2-3 day is really hard. But then the hunger goes away. I've done 7-14 days water/lemon juice fasts. My friend did 21 (or 24 days). Guys at work all did like 7 days. Watching me, my father start fasting over the weekends. I had a colleague from India & her dad is a yogi guru. Their whole family do water fast every weekend & the very long fasts 2ce a years. All religions promote fasting. Even animals fast. My dog when doesn't feel good, would stop eating for a few days. Do you know that some dogs never over eat? I've always heard/thought that animals always over eat. I can give my dog his favorite food, but he never over eats. He usually eats like once a day after a walk. Some days he eats at night!! He was like 75-78lb all his life. So you are telling me that people have less control than animals? Well, I agree. And a lot of people are worse than animals & even more stupid. But I don't think it's their fault. It's just we spoil people & let them behave emotionally & to be lazy .... There are no more environmental pressures. People don't have to hunt or even work. You can't work if you are like 300lb. So you probably didn't work construction job all those years to get to 300lb.
Same. Aba is probably my favorite person Steven talks to regularly. Gordon Menzies (Australian, Christian, professor dude) is probably my second favorite.
@@Rihardololz this is literally law of thermodynamics level knowledge. If you are expending more energy than you are taking in (measured in calories) you WILL lose mass. That is not something up for debate and Destiny has clearly missed that fact.
@@Buddyrtc losing mass doesn’t mean losing fat. Metabolism in living isn’t so simple. You can eat little and still not lose much weight I am saying that from experience.
@@Blackbirdinthedeadofnight losing mass means losing mass. Typically that will mean muscle or fat, but your body will eat your fat before your muscle, so that typically means muscle. I didn’t eat for 7 days but otherwise didn’t change my lifestyle (meaning I didn’t work out at all) and I lost considerable weight, so I also have personal experience.
@@Buddyrtc you mean your body will lose muscle before losing fat. As I said metabolism is much more complicated then that. If you want to educate yourself more on the subject I recommend the book “nature wants you to be fat”. It’s not just about calories intake.
I'm confused how they understand about how appetite will drive you to fatness, but nobody even fathoms to imagine how a lack of appetite will lead to skinniness.-.
Dam the knowledge level on diet is horrible. Telling a fat person to eat less is like telling a guy with depression just be happy . There physical and mental issues that make it hard . Example some diet drugs actually address this pathway that leads to fat loss .
Destiny spitting facts though, we have more concrete information on how humans build muscle than lose weight. I think the correct wording should be "build strenght" because there can be a lot of muscle under fat.
The skinny kid experience where someone can eat a shitton and not gain much weight is absolutely true, but it's usually going to be a puberty specific thing, or for people with large mental calories demands, like famously is the case for chess players (and I'd bet is the case for prof gamers).
@@Rihardololz healthy people in general will say destiny is wrong. It’s always going to be calories in vs calories out. You can eat more and still lose weight. You can eat less and gain weight. What people need to realize that eating healthy calorie per volume is a lot of food compared to unhealthy food. At my heaviest, I was eating roughly 2500-3500 calories while weighing 260lbs. I’m currently eating 2700- 3000 calories weighing 195 Lbs. Yet, the amount of food by volume has increased significantly. Edit: in the exercise department, he sounds just as clueless. Sure you can build muscle Just lifting weights doing random things, but none of that matters if your diet isn’t in the right place. As in, you won’t grow as much and you won’t look as cut.
I'm a fat guy, here's the reality. As a society (especially in the US) we need to be serious about combating obesity. It's absolutely true that being at a healthy weight has a massive positive impact in both life expectancy and life quality. We are failing are friends and family by just encouraging an unhealthy lifestyle. It's equally true that bullying someone for being overweight serves no altruistic purpose. If you do it, you are simply an asshole. it will actively work against most people's will to lose weight, hence why many overweight folks fear judgement at the gym. For those that it does help, it is never more effective than other forms of social pressure that don't train them to believe their existence as a person is not accepted by society.
Sorry destiny, you got it wrong on how hard it can be for skinny guys to gain weight. As someone who spent 3 years in jail, spending most days at the gym, drinking and eating extra protein. I went from 65kg to 68kg over 3 years. Within 2 weeks of release I had gone right back to 65kg. In prison I worked out and slept. As soon as I started walking the weight fell off. I can find you a million skinny motherfuckers who eat a tonne.
Destiny’s positions on working out and how easy it is to gain muscle triggered me hard. He always gives these workout advice and takes but lately still looks doughy as fuck with little to no gains after bragging about working out all the time. Its The cocky confidence that bothers me hes wrong here. His own advice isnt working for himself. Homie literally just eating chocolate with 2 oats in it streaming
Has he ever claimed he has been trying to bulk up at the gym? He could just do a bunch of cardio and then a bit of muscle building/upkeep. I can't think of a single quote from him that suggests he is going to the gym for anything more than what he looks like now (a relatively healthy dude.)
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 hes talking some big talk about working out and how simple it is. If your going to be cocky like that your going to get criticism if you are noodle armed and doughy. Nothing about his physique says i do training of any kind imo. He was talking some big game with nothing to back it up. I agree with destiny on alot but this one he shit the bed and looked like an ass
22:47 they're actually both kind of right. It is harder to continue to gain muscle but the first three to six months of working out you gain muscle very very easily because your body is not used to working out. Your body will gain muscle very rapidly, so in that sense, it is very easy to gain muscle. After the first years of continuing to work out then it becomes harder to gain muscle. The same could be said about losing weight. it's very easy to initially start to lose weight in a caloric deficit but at some point your body will normalize and plateau. Then you'll stop losing weight and you'll have to put extra pressures onto your body to continue the weight loss.
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Hey Destiny I might try to reach out to you but I don't know how. *1:08:22* it's called sexual racism meaning selective breeding it's not always bigoted but it is what it is. Aba is a dark humor comedian that's why he made it on right wing leaning TH-cam.
Progressives are so okay with shaming Blacks but not fat, LGBTQ nor Muslims or Jews.
*1:47:14* when did Destiny say "Aba was friendly to White people?" like everyone knows every Black person on Destiny's stream has a form of self loathing it's public knowledge on twitter
Abs is annoying with his virtue signaling to the redpill community.
The point is, why care to the point your panties are twisted? Fat people are either gonna stay fat or get skinny. It’s their decision. Aba spent the entire pandemic talking about people making their own personal decisions and here he is shaming people for making their own personal decision. And we know he’s virtue signaling because Preach is fat but when this topic comes up does he ever try to lecture preach? No, he doesn’t. But he’ll lecture people he doesn’t even know or care about…cringe.
I have overweight friends. I don’t criticize them because it’s on THEM to lose weight. I’m not gonna sit there and shame them for their decisions that has no affect on anyone else but them.
Also, he brought up how it’s a bad counter argument to say there’s fat healthy people and unhealthy in shape people…but that’s a good argument when he’s got his entire comment section saying how fat=unhealthy
@@jamesdoakes4956 I don't know why you deleted your comment but that was a good reply. We are in the TH-cam game if making money plus all sides pander but to what degree. I don't take everything they say seriously. It's like Playback they demonize Fresh and Fit yet they claim they're part of the game culture & they feel every Black should be used to racism
So they crtize Blacks to get views and virtual signal that's why they lied about Jews being a race and thinking Blacks and Whites will support them it backfired when they said Blacks thinm they're get keepers but 007 and Low generalize the most.
Surely theres a middle ground between enabling unhealthy behavior and being objectively shitty to people.
Lol of course not, what are you talking about?
@@frumtheground he's talking about the hyperbolic nature of the internet.
@@Cagon415 I know. I was being sarcastic.
@@frumtheground umm actually u weren’t
Well the problem is a lot of people nowadays are extremely sensitive to any sort of criticism. They see the most fair and healthy critiques as an outright attack. So it makes things that much more touch and go when you’re trying to be honest with someone.
3 things to never ask Destiny about:
1) Personal relationships
2) Diet/Exercise
3) Who was in Paris
Loool
*Honorable mention: Veganism*
@@KAIZENTECHNOLOGIES That’s part of 2
4) how smart a hot woman is
5) If Destiny is a girl’s name
As a former fat ass it is definitely in our heads that people at the gym are judging us. One person looks at you for more than 2 secs, you think they’re shaming you. 99% of gym goers do not give a shit about you lmao.
I'm sitting there listening to epic music... I'm not thinking how fat you are lol
they are probably thinking when are you gonna finish with the weights
@@rokingfrost8446 yeah its this 99% of the time
yeah 100% I would willing to put money on it too, noone cares about if you are fat or not. they either think they are doing good or they dont give a shit at all
As a current personal trainer, no it isn't. The number of people who think it's okay to body shame others in the gym is way higher than these people want to acknowledge.
As someone who lost 78 pounds off of just dieting, counting calories and paying close attention to nutrition labels is something that really helps. The mental boost that you get from having that control also was a killer bonus
How did you start dieting? Did you make slow changes? Like water instead of soda and such. Or did you go hard and healthy immedialy and stuck with it
@@T-The-K i also counted calories and just kicked all soda and fast food, bread as well. and in a year lost 70+ pounds. no slow changes just a huge stop. might not ork for everyone but just dropping excess sugars should make anyone lose some weight
@@T-The-K I wouldn't call it dieting. It's just changing your eating habits. I still eat takeout but when I eat, I try to make it protein-based. Protein keeps you fuller, longer. I also weigh my food by the grams to keep track of how much I eat. Serving sizes are almost always inaccurate. If you weigh it by the grams it's more accurate.
@@T-The-K A trick that helps a lot is to eat more meals (3-4) with small portions. It boosts your metabolism and keeps it running throughout the entire day. I cut back a lot on sugar and carbs, while replacing most of my drinks with water. Also, as someone above mentioned, you should try to intake a lot of protein. It keeps you full and also boosts your metabolism.
@indonesianbob68 What type of foods do you eat? I'm trying to lose weight and everyone says cut out bread but for so long things like toast and sandwiches are regular for me 😂 idk what to switch it out with 😩
As a previous fat person who started to go the gym, I even went a couple of times with my parents, and I have never once been laughed at or made fun off. I understand it can happen but people at the gym were generally actually supportive and helped me out even.
Most people at the gym understand the grind more then anyone else. So it tends to be a very supportive community
thank you for bringing this up. I was a manager in my gym and I made it my goal to kick out anyone who would pick on others and the best part is I never had to kick anyone out
Yeah but a bunch of streamers who never leave their house say otherwise idiot
Question really quick, how tall are you? I'm just asking because i was someone that was bullied a lot when I was young but by like 13-14 I was 6'3" and it just died out. I'm wondering if it happens more to average height of lower than average height people.
Also I'm a guy.
@@idontgetthejoke4813 I’m also a guy and I’m only 5’7 so pretty short
The LTG and Destiny friendship still feels surreal.
Token black friend
@@nemesis9410 Tolkien
@@nemesis9410 😂😂 destiny got two tokens
@@legendofsociety796 2? 🤨
@@ON-ry8iw aba is black aswell
Streamers arguing about fitness and health is my type of content
Destiny obviously has never tried putting on muscle, that's all I'm gonna say.
@@BunnyAce Because women have petite frames that’s why
@@BunnyAce the sad part is he has he just has the most retarded training schedule ever
@@UnofficialLesTwins Indeed, I almost forgot Destiny was a woman's name.
it's like watching 2 people arguing while pretending they know what they're talking about it's so funny
Destiny: "you will never outlift a bad diet" Powerlifters: "hold my beer"
Think he's taking about losing weight.
They look like shit tho
@@yawgg It's correct both ways anyway. You can lift all you want if you don't eat enough, won't gain much.
Lifting is the easy part, diet is the hard one. For both gaining and losing weight/muscle. I have never heard anyone say differently.
It’s like you reached into my soul for this one
Powerlifters have to stay within their weight classes, when I was doing it, a huge part of it was understanding how to eat correctly and progress in strength at the Sametime. You really can't outlift a shit diet. It'll show on the scale. But lifting will help passively with weight loss
When I was obese and starting to lift weights, the gym community was more positive, encouraging and helpful than my own family. When I first went to the gym, thats when I realized that nobody is judging me or focused on how bad I look. They're too busy working on themselves to care about what Im doing 90% of the time, and the other 10% of the time they would help me out with tips and spotting. I had to learn to stop projecting my fear of what people thought onto other gym goers.
I had this same experience as well but I was super skinny. Had people who would just come up to me and give me pointers or would offer to help me out. I was actually super surprised because I was expecting the opposite lol. Not to say that there aren’t people who are a holes but it’s definitely the minority
If we want people to become healthier, being overweight shouldn't be shamed but it should unequivocally be acknowledged as unhealthy. The implication that being overweight or even obese is without health consequences should be fought against at every turn
I think instead of highlighting that it's unhealthy what should be highlighted is what leads to obesity. How it occurs and how to fight it over just saying. Hey fatty being fat is unhealthy.
@Evil Fossil You're wrong.
@Evil Fossil You are objectively wrong.
@@darkfiremat Everyone knows a caloric surplus leads to weight gain and ultimately obesity.
Your body will allways have to work harder the fadder u are 😢
My husband and I go to a bodybuilder competition gym and they have been nothing but kind and encouraging. My husband was almost 400 pounds, and the owner and many of the trainers have helped him get down to 285 in four months without charging him a dime. I cannot tell you how many times people have come up to him and said they were so happy to see him in the gym and wish more people would take that step. Many competition bodybuilders will come over and help us with form checks to make sure we are not going to hurt ourselves while working with barbells or dumbells.
Has your husband been fat shamed ? Or had a joke made about his weight ?
Can your husband get me in contact with these guys??? I’m sitting at 300-280 and I can’t fix the diet. Shits just not working for me. I’m in the gym 5 days a week minimum.
a bodybuilder competition gym is full of more grown dedicated gym goers. most people who fat shame at the gym are the casual and younger people
@@jsaktony1 id honestly meet with a dietician (not a nutritionist, the differenfe is a degree). If youre putting in the work like you say and not seeing a significant change, its definitely your diet. BUT do note muscle is even denser than fat, you might not be losing much weight because youre also gaining muscle, you gain muscle incredibly quickly for your first month or two and it could just be that. Either way, keep up the good work and hope it works out for you!
@@johntron3849 In the gym no he has not. Outside of the gym he has a few times by women when he questions their driving techniques when they almost get themselves run over by his rig when they pull in front of him and jam on the breaks.
The most support I ever got at the gym was when I was super obese 275lbs. I've never been in a gym environment where I think people would feel comfortable shitting on other people. all the really jacked dudes were so friendly, optimistic, and positive like they were excited just to see you there.
It's one of my favourite sights, seeing someone entering the gym to improve themselves. It's almost a religous like experience, seeing someone convert, like they've seen the light
Lucky you didn’t run into the mythical fat harassing gangs in only papa guts gym
It highly depends on the gym environment. At the "old school" gyms I've been to which focus on a powerlifting and bodybuilding, there's generally a pretty supportive environment. However, in the "fancier" gyms I've been to, the environment is quite judgemental and toxic.
ive been going to the gym for years now, and i never see people making fun of fat people, and im european where is prob less accepted to be fat
That was exactly my experience. I certainly never encountered these roving bands of fat shamers at gyms.
99% of the people at the gym are super supportive and would even be willing to help guide you. I've never felt judged or been shamed. At worst, everyone ignores you, at best, they'll come over and help you if your form is wrong or you need a bit of guidance.
It makes literally no sense for a average gym goer to look at a fat person and go "Look at you. trying to make a change for your health! Disgusting!"
Whenever someone trots out the argument that they might be shamed by some major amount of people in a gym environment I'm always confused. And if you are being acosted and shamed by those people, I'm sure you can rock up to the management to say something, or, take this thing called Willpower, and don't let those people stand between you and your health goals.
Destiny: Putting on muscle is way more understood than losing weight
And everything he had to say about this matter was incredibly eye opening for me as a relatively newish watcher of Destiny's content. Now that I know that he has the ability to get frothing angry while being completely incorrect about something, even going so far as to lash out at Aba saying rightfully so that any personal trainer (and you can add any kinesiologist, any nutritionist, any semi-serious athlete) would agree that burning fat/losing weight a direct result of energy expenditure and caloric intake and that research into muscle growth, and the actual physiological nuance of that study is on-going and way under-developed in understanding.
If Destiny can be this confidently unhinged while being incorrect it really calls into question how he's seemingly confident about other fairly benign and WIDELY understood topics.
Just because mental health, habits etc are a factor of whether or not a person can motivate themselves to stick to a healthier routine, this can be true without at all having an impact on the mechanical facts of weight loss. "Gaining muscle is as simple as picking up heavy things and putting them down" is a gross over simplification of the mechanical reality of gaining muscle, but the same mental health shit that's got Destiny lost in the weeds being retarded can be applied to gaining muscle too. If you can't motivate yourself to stick to a weight lifting routine due to your mental health, then by his logic it's just as nebulously hard to understand and overcome.
"PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BUILDING MUSCLE FOR OUR ENTIRE HUMAN HISTORY" alright, this is the gift that just keeps on giving.
That run on sentence is insane...
But it totally agree. Im fairly new to destiny as well and am surprised at how unhinged he got here. Its weird.
lol, when he gets frothing at the mouth triggered he loses his careful considered speech and commonly overstates stuff. He also has a really bad habit of not being able to admit he overstates stuff when he is upset and if later someone asks him about it when he's no longer upset, he'll generally weave a big web to explain how actually it was completely reasonable.
But, I don't think he's really that off base here. I'm not an expert on this but I've read a fair amount of literature on exercise, dieting, and weight loss (not much on building muscle though). Some of the stuff he's pushing back on is conventional wisdom that empirical research doesn't bear out. I skipped through the video a bit though, I can't really stand the multi-party screaming matches. So I might have missed something.
For example, I was a bit surprised to hear Kyla (who's also usually pretty reasonable/reliable) say (something like) the best advice you can give a fat person is to put on muscle. Every paper I've ever read that compared diet to exercise (both cardio and resistance training, with reasonable interventions) found that caloric restriction is far superior in weight loss. And anecdotally (if that's your thing), scrolling through the comments here you see tons of success stories about losing weight through caloric restriction and I haven't seen a single one (yet) claiming to have lost a bunch of fat from just gaining muscle. From my experience when I increase my activity I tend to get hungrier so I have to control my hunger one way or the other.
My understanding of the comment about pick thing up, put thing down, gain muscle was more just saying, if you do that, you will gain muscle mass. Not to say that the perfect regimen for muscle gain is completely understood in totality. Though I could be wrong.
Also, as someone who has watched Destiny for several years, he is wrong about things sometimes. And his views change over time. When I first started watching him in 2016 he was pro-life and had some (imo) bad arguments to support his positions that didn't feel that well thought through or informed by biology. But where he's at now feels really reasonable even though I still don't totally agree with him.
If youre overweight, its going to be easier to go to the gym for 1 hour a day, rather than changing the lifestyle/diet.
This means for most overweight people they will find building muscle easier than losing weight.
@@karsten9387 Just no
Well said. He has done this exact thing on many other topics.
Destiny seems to be under the impression that consistency in the gym is easy. It isn’t. We all know someone who got a membership to a gym, they go for a few weeks and drop out.
Just like losing weight is simple, but not easy, getting into very good shape is simple but not easy.
Most people get a gym membership to lose weight, not to lift. This is reinforced by the fact that Planet Fitness exists.
I dont think he said its easy. He said that it is not complicated. And he said that to counter the false argument that diet is less complicated.
Everybody ignoring Stardust for her typical useless comment and her getting triggered is GLORIOUS 😍
If I was awake during streams and tuned in, I would spam askers every time she started talking. She's a nice enough person, but I never want to see her on Steven's stream.
Something about someone having a woman's name.
Here take my likes you witty bastard
this comment was destined to populate at some point
But can you tell me what an NFT is?
Woman ☕️
Should have put it in quotations lol
As someone who body builds as a hobby for 8 years it’s actually so hard listening to destiny sound like he knows what’s he’s talking about when it comes to building muscle or losing fat.
Facts, he's right about some things here though
yeah he went off the deep end with some of his takes here lol
Yeah he clearly doesn’t know about the plateau effect. Your body is so smart and effective to adapting to the change you do. Building mass is not easy and takes years.
How is it possible that Destiny has been working out from what I understand 2+ years without making any gains. He seriously must have incredibly low Test levels whether by lifestyle or because of some medical condition.
Exactly. This was hard to watch. Destiny does this a lot on many topics too. It sounds like he really knows what he’s talking about but if you have any experience or education on the topic, you always see that it’s always just empty/incorrect points
I really love the fact that LTG was super respectful on this stream. It's like a breath of fresh air.
I think he's a bit off character, I've noticed that since he started interacting with other people.
@@estebanvelarde1 he haa genuine anger issues, inferiority complex and trauma and when he gets triggered by anything, like losing in a vidjagame it shows. Doesnt mean he cant act norma, but when he gets mad, he gets MAD
@@Blaurot lmao how do you know this? You can't just make dumb ass assumptions about someone because they're a rage gamer. You sound crazy.
@@geosweet_ i used to watch him alot, and listen to his traumatic stories. Its pretty obvious
I am not one to defend the trinity of 'greed' as we may label them, but between lets say wings/ltg and dsp. LTG at the very least can interact and uphold an image of himself and be respectful of others if they fall within his standards. There are alot of other things on top of this but LTG can actually respect a peer if he deems them 'worthy'
LTG somehow manages to get me to agree with half of his sentence and disagree with the otherhalf, But i appreciate his take on not clowning, the fact that he would rather want to spend the time to fix it,then make fun of it and move on is more then most people would do.
nearly 2 hours of Aba wins seems like a good use of my time ✅
Aba is the best guest. He's not here to farm clout. He's here for the good times.
I just can't listen to him say "sto-sto-sto-sto-sto-sto-stop" or "hol-hol-hol-hol-hol-hol-holup" or literally shushing people when he wants to speak, it's extremely annoying that he cuts off anything thats going on, kinda like those "debates" that are all about who can scream the loudest. Even if I agree with him on some points, he just makes the back and forth arguments annoying as hell.
@@nullpha he can be kinda condescending sometimes ngl
Aba the goat 🐐
@@Moni-u1e You're not seriously saying that of him and not of literally everyone else in the room are you ? xD
How about only one person talks at a time, and everybody else in the room shuts the f- up ? He wouldn't have to do that. The back and forth is annoying af, but that's certainly not because of Aba, he just adapts to the environment. It's super unfair to say that of him and not of everyone else, because everyone of the other people in the room are actually doing it.
It amazes me how many hours of content there are on the Internet of people arguing over the most trivial shit
To be fair, everyone that wanted to debate anything interesting or controversial has gotten canceled already.
And here you are watching it
@@tiktokexposed898 Nah, I ducked out after 15 minutes
I wouldn't say fitness is trivial but I do agree with the sentiment.
Ain’t it crazy we pay people money for this
I can promise you as someone who’s fat and has been to multiple gyms in different cities nobody cares about you being in the gym at all, encountering a negative situation is incredibly rare and if it did happen I can almost promise you other people at that gym would stand up for you
It’s generally not strangers who make remarks, but people you actually know lol.. They’ll act surprised you go to the gym, or give you tons of unsolicited advice about “you should be doing cardio” or “you shouldnt be doing cardio” lol
Top tier moment for me was when LTG laid out his body dysmorphia about how when anyone used to call him skinny he would cry. And then proceeds to say the opposite at 30:40 that people don't make fun of skinny people lmao
One i a in the gym. The other isn't
someone stating youre skinny isnt necessarily them making fun of you. body dysmorphia is a mental struggle where LTG took the comment of him being skinny as a negative thing even if it wasnt meant to be seen that way. he explained this.
41:40 Aba got a girl to be quiet by saying she can touch his legs... We're living in the future 🤣
It is a sicknessssss
That shit had me dead. He for sure is tryna get with her. He asked about her clit last time😆
That shit really made me rewind the video. I dunno if that was rizz or cringe but I'm here for it. Lol.
Why is destiny, someone who has made imperceptible gains from going to the gym, arguing that building muscle is easier than losing fat.
Because he clearly can’t lose fat either
Bro, gave several wrong hottakes
Losing fat is hard because of your diets discipline. After you’ve lifted heavy shit eating is so fun cos you just eat shit loads of protein. Im 6 foot with a fast metabolism so it might be different for others
Honestly, this conversation was overly exaggerated and complicated then it really is. When you go to the gym consistently doing the same exercises with progressive overload you will build muscle. Those first few years of Building muscle will be easier than
year 10 of building muscle. Losing fat you have to be able to consistently be in a caloric deficit for months. For some it's easy and some others hard. Also, destiny is taking so many L's this stream I felt that embarrassment. Did have a few semi good takes but destiny's got to hold that L
Look at old pics of him lol the spindly ass look now is the gains lol
i almost started BAWLING when i heard lav in the call. I thought she was back.
Lol ikr
Had to stop watching there
So this is an older video right?
@@sudev29 yeah. couple weeks to a month old
Just scrolled through the comments for clarification. Thanks for getting confirmation!
25:06 - 25:25 : The Dragon Ball Z portion of the debate.
Sometimes I think Destiny is articulate, reasonable and make good direct points, and most of the time he argues like a fcking ten years old!
I love how in the intro destiny makes fun of aba getting mad and seconds later hes in rage
As a skinny man that's been skinny his whole life I've been made fun of my whole life and no one gives a f*** about skinny people come on let's be real
Skinny ppl are just objectively not as physically displeasing as fat ppl. That’s why we cope hard in the opposite direction for fat ppl.
Don't even pretend being skinny shamed is the same as being fat shamed. Being fat is seen as disgusting by society, being skinny not so much.
If Destiny thinks building muscle at the gym is super simple, how does he explain himself
I'm guessing he doesn't actually go to the gym that much.
Building muscle is actually quite simple, it’s just really hard and takes a long time
Well when you have a retarded workout program like destiny where you do 3 sets of 5 on squat and have 3 minute breaks in between each set and you workout twice a week you wouldn’t gain much muscle
Something being simple doesn’t make it easy. Hacking at a tree with an axe for hours at a time is simple, but Would require a good bit of endurance and effort.
well, your tongue is a muscle, I recon he just goes around bothering people pretty easily.
Destiny is incorrect and Aba is correct: Height requirements in women's dating profiles is extremely common
Destiny- "You can give 10 people different workout plans and they will all gain muscle. But you give 10 people different diet plans and maybe one works and the others give up"
...So do we just assume no one on the workout side will give up. That hasn't been my experience.
As a skinny person in a rural area I think you get WAY more criticism and name calling nowadays then fat folks. It may depend on the state, but I'm willing to bet cash on this.
I’ll accept your bet then go on a streak of the most vicious and rampant fat shaming you’ve ever seen and win myself some money
True when you're in your teenage years a fat guy will get bullied less because he can pick you up and throw you away than a skinny guy who can be blown away from wind.
my family is asian and they just give you nicknames based on how you look. like if you a chubby kid you're called fatty.
I have never in my life seen a fatty get bullied in a gym. If anything, there are people that donate their time to help them out.
I give them sideglances sometimes, but only to make sure they're not doing something unsafe for them, which does happen. Recently I was doing a midnight workout, it was basically just me and an obese guy that was trying to do dips. Had to put a stop to that.
Aba talked about his past experiences of being deathly skinny and not a single person made an Ethiopian joke. L.
I've seen that shit. Only once to be fair, and the bullies were mostly teenage guys. They got kicked out almost immediately.
The real issue based on what I've seen and heard is, that a lot of overweight people have such low self-confidence that every look that is directed towards them, is immediately interpreted as demeaning, insulting, disrespectful, you know the drill.
Thats why its nice to go there with a friend if you need some encouragement and positive vibes at the start 👍
@@neronihil1710 well but to be fair, it's ingrained in everyone's mind since childhood that fat people are funny to look at, lazy, disgusting etc etc, so being looked at as a fat person usually does mean they were looked at for their size.
I know it's mostly an issue of self perception, but that also means that every negative and rude comment towards fat people in general will be internalised further, making their confidence even worse.
I think that's also why fat acceptance in the right way is the only solution, as in specifically accepting and loving yourself despite being fat.
I’ve seen several people trying to secretly record fat and inexperienced people at the gym. It’s also a whole trend on TikTok to post videos making fun of these people
@@Glitch_II Most children in America are fat so not sure about that.
@@Glitch_II I get your point but I have to disagree with the last part of it. There is no true, real or guaranteed one size fits all solution to the problem. Some people need to accept themselfs, while others need to get their asses kicked to motivate them. Loving and accepting yourself can serve as motivation and support for some but also as a convenient excuse to give up early or never get up to begin with. Believe me, I've been there. 32 years old, struggling with depression etc.
This was so great to listen to during my morning run
Destiny going to the gym for a year and still has a body made of marshmallows, is hilarious.
I’d argue that diet plays a slightly bigger role in the equation. You can go to the gym for 2 hours a day, 6 days a week and it won’t mean nothing if you’re constantly eating takeout every night and downing red bulls every day. At best you’re only treading water if you only do that.
@@User71956 100% agree. Knut tried to advise Destiny on this early on. But Destiny ignored it.
But thats why its funny listening to Destiny talk like he has any idea how to lose weight or gain muscle.
Id sat gaining muscle its closer to 50/50 diet and exercise. But with losing weight? 90% diet. Not even exaggerating.
@@zaktilzer5130 He was right about everything in the video - You are criticisng Destiny's ability to be knowledgeable by bringing up his ability to follow-through. Also, you're doing the thing again, where someone has only successfully gone to the gym when they're a six pack shredded guy, instead of looking at it by what their results are in terms of %. In terms of % Destiny has built a lot of muscle over the last 1-2 years.
@@adamanderson3042 Its not about follow through. He never took the dieting part seriously. As I said Knut tried to help him, but he just cut him off and ignored him.
From videos ive seen where he talks about his gains theyre not very good. Youre implying a pot in my post that I never said.
6 packs are hard to get. And harder the older you are. And without cutting out breads, most sugars, butter, excess salt, its going to be hard unless youre super skinny.
Might as well just hit the cardio, get that cardio work in. And call it a day.
And the beginning of gaining muscle, if youre dieting correctly u should see very big gains.
@@adamanderson3042 And also, its hard to take someone seriously with their workout takes, when they thenselves cant seem to accomplish much. Esoecially when they come iff as condescending and arrogant.
Kyla is absolutely right about more muscle mass = higher metabolic rate. If you’ve never done the work, gained the muscle, and lived the process successfully, then you just can not relate or act like that’s incorrect meanwhile you’re physique looks like shit. It’s a slow long process of training and teaching your body to utilize food correctly and build the muscle (along with fat), as well as spiking the metabolism. most don’t have discipline for that. At any time after putting on muscle and fat you can change the food in specific ways to drop your body fat and retain majority if the muscle mass gained. That’s where having more muscle fibers needing to use up more energy requires the metabolism to be working, which is only achieved through carefully training your body to use food in that way.
It's a stupid point though because the effect is neglible. A pound of muscle increases RMR by 6 calories a day, so even if you somehow managed to gain 50 pounds of muscle you would only increase RMR by 300.
@@ravnkelskoldulv8511 You realize that’s per day though. Burning an extra 300 calories a day would result in a lb of fat lost every 11.6 days. Even though 50lbs of muscle added is unrealistic, a beginning lifter is expected to gain 15-25lbs. So their RMR would increase by 90-150 per day or 630-1,050 per week. A lb of fat is roughly 3500 calories. I guess in the short run you won’t see much of a difference, but it definitely adds up over time.
As a former personal trainer and someone with a degree in Exercise Science - this was hilarious..
Care to expand? :)
When I hear "personal trainer" and "degree in Exercise Science" that translates to me as "lets have you doing jumping jacks on a bosu ball" and "squats are bad for your knees and deadlifting is bad for your back"
Do go on, please.
How many L takes did Destiny have.
Personal trainers don't know what they're talking about though, this is true for me
The irony of LTG complaining about being skinny shammed while saying fat shaming is perfectly fine was peak irony.
Thanks I could've sworn he said skinny being get shamed but later he sad they don't.
Wasn’t he talking about body dysmorphia?
When he said that he lost the entire plot
Hes not skinny now, but has chicken legs, while claiming he is superior intellectually and is a superior "specimen" he calls other people "Mars workers" Dude is essentially Vaush but homophobic/racist and works out.
@@Lhoyte1 yeah whole “fat shaming doesn’t exist” narrative falls on its face when you start talking about your troubles with being shamed for being skinny
I was fat as a kid and I was fat again as an adult when I started "bulking", I felt miserable both times. Ended up buying a food scale and counting calories and the weight just fell right off. Any time somebody complains about being fat, I just suggest them to buy a bodyweight scale and food scale and they always laugh and say that's too much work.
I'll say when my gf was saying "Oh I love a bear bod" when I was 215Ibs standing at 5'7, I let that help my cope. Straight up, don't let people aid your cope, it doesn't help you at all. Now I'm sitting at 175 and feeling happy with myself for losing the weight.
Food scales is one of the best inventions ever bro I love mine so much. I lost 36 kilos in 14 months just bn gaining muscle ever since, Thanks coach Greg doucette and Sean nalewanyi
i personally recommend lifting your way out if you are a guy. You’d be surprised how much you can eat and change body form.
1:06:05 LTG saying it's a waste of genetics had me dying, he should tell Hofthor Bjornsson
I love how he just slipped it in there 😂
The biggest thing that I have seen is when we normalize fat shaming it doesn’t just get targeted toward the massively obese people. Especially when it comes to seeing fat people as unhealthy. You have people that just have a certain body type that’s not seen as slim or that are a little chunky and you the common person looks at them as unhealthy and fat shames them as well.
Watching Destiny be so wrong about muscle gain, and be so adamant, made me cringe so damn hard.
True, people absolutely can gain muscle on a deficit
@@Iceman_HSV only if you have excess body fat, if you are shredded you can’t just magic mass from nothing
@@Iceman_HSV some can but 90% won’t unless it’s noobie gains or you are really fat.
Facts my ass struggling lmao 🤣😆😌
@@shockwavesyndrome6433 Yes you can😭 It’s called lean bulking bud. You consume a high protein with low calorie diet.
Here's the cold truth about fitness:
It takes longer to get into shape than to get out of it.
You are going to have to work hard five out of seven days a week.
You have to stick to a program to the specific goal.
Its a lifestyle, not a diet.
Problem is, being in shape is a vague term. An in shape basketball player looks different from an in shape football player.
never in my life did I imagine LTG would become a Destiny orbiter. Maybe we'll get Viscant one day and they can have a debate lmao
Weirdest crossover
He love token black guys actually...
Id like DSP to be an orbiter next. DSP v LTG debate when?
Personally I‘m waiting on Kanye
From the future, jordan peterson becomes an orbiter, and buddy of the year in 2026
I've never seen a fat person shamed at any gym I've been to in my 15 yrs of lifting. The only thing I've seen anyone be shamed for was body odor. If anything this is mental on the fat person's part. They're probably thinking to themselves "everyone thinks I'm fat blah blah" when it's really not the case
@@Axel227 I'm sure it has happened before, but it's not the norm at all. Paranoia on fat people's part is more normal than outsiders fat shaming them. I once saw a fat person leave the gym bc they were frustrated at their own inability to do simple movements. No one shamed them, they just quit. Luckily I saw them back in there again in the future so they just gave up in a rough moment but not entirely
Yea I’m sure the big dumb gym companies putting policies against this and ending memberships over it are less knowledgeable on this than you, a man who can’t engage with any point that shows his hypocrisy and a addiction counselor who thinks bullying is a good way to get change from people lol.
@@Axel227 that’s like saying there are rocks in cereal, yeah sure maybe you saw a rock in your cereal once therefor… what?
@@Axel227 I don't follow anybody, it's a public gym. If that's the concern then work out at home. You can't go in public & then tell everyone to put blinders on. You're literally asking people to not address the elephant in the room, if they can't get over it they can stay fat. Must not want it bad enough
@@Axel227 I don't stare at anybody lol you're just making up scenarios & projecting them onto me. If I'm gonna stare in the gym trust me it won't be at a fat person. I'd be staring at ass if anything
48:20 that was a bad faith argument on Destiny's part. What he did there was make a non-parity analogy. So for the weightlifters, he says that all the weightlifters have to do is follow the program and they're going to gain weight. And for the weight losser, what he said is that no matter what program you give them, they're going to find some way to not do the program correctly and as a consequence of that, they're not going to lose the weight. You see the difference between the two different sides there. On the weightlifter sides you're saying that they're going to use the program and do it correctly and so they're going to have the correct results. Then on the other side for the weight loss people, you're not making it analogous by saying that the people are also going to follow the weight loss plan correctly. You're saying they're not going to follow the program correctly and in that case they won't lose the weight. To correct Destiny's analogy what he should have said is people who go to the gym and follow a mass gaining program will gain weight and people who follow a diet to lose weight will not lose the weight. Now that's a more accurate statement in the sense that both sides of the analogy are following the plan correctly and the outcome of that plan is laid out, whereas the weight gainers are gaining weight by following the program and the weight losers are not losing the weight and they're also following the program.
But that's actually not the case. The weight losers if they were to actually follow the diet the way that it was attended to be followed would actually lose weight. So the most correct comparison Destiny should have said is that weight gainers who go to the gym and follow their workout program will gain weight as a consequence of following the program and dieters who follow the program will also lose weight as a consequence of following the program. The reason most people fail on diets is because they can't follow the program because they lack the ambition or willpower to do so. The program itself is not flawed and allows for weight loss to happen.
Glad I wasn't the only one who got annoyed at this. What a completely useless and unfair analogy.
the most racist person Destiny ever had in a call, and they didnt talk about race? kudos to everyone.
As soon as someone says “you’re telling me____” something bad faith immediately comes out their mouth
Or the person they are responding to legit said something insane..
@@falseprophet1024 sorry, I didn’t actually think anyone would take my hyperbole to mean it happens literally all the time. You got me.
I’ve never heard Destiny be so loud and wrong in a debate
For real
🙄
I really dislike when people are so confident in their position they are screaming others down and yet are wrong. Destiny showed his ass in this one.
Destiny, a DYEL, trying to tell people how to lift lol
@@Dankbuds Can you point out what's wrong though? He explained things very simplistic, but I'm 1hr in and still haven't heard anything outrageous.
Seems like a circle jerk to say he's wrong, but not correct it?
It is a fact that shaming skinny people is socially acceptable.
I never seen anyone go up to a fat person and ask why they are fat, but I have experienced countless of times where I was asked why I was skinny, people are so damn hypocritical about this topic.
Rules for thee but not for me.
SKINNY PEOPLE ARENT AS UGLY AS FAT PEOPLE BRO. ITS REALLY THAT SIMPLE
@@donet0death240 Thats debatable.
I think women generally prefer to look skinny over fat because it highlight their features, but men generally prefer to look fat over skinny because it can represent status, ( just look at sumo wrestlers 😂), where being skinny is more often associated with poverty and bad health.
I could be wrong, but I honestly think it's because it's more profitable for the system to promote the idea that you can be healthy at any size as long as it is surplus, so if you decide to go against the status quo, fat people will be more inclined to feel offended.
@@felix-the-cat4453 It's really not debatable. You can find exceptions to the rule, but generally speaking fat=ugly.
If the sumo wrestler had the exact same amount of money and status, but a more fit body, he would be more attractive. End of story.
And the argument that fat represents status is something from the middle ages. In today's first world countries where starvation isn't an issue, nobody associates obesity with wealth.
@@wizardddy3023 Wrong
@@wizardddy3023 That's why I chose the word 'status' and not 'attractiveness'.
Women are by nature more hypergamous than men, and are more often attracted to power over physical beauty.
For men it's generally the complete opposite.
As a person who's been on dating apps for a decent amount of time, I've literally lost count of the amount of girls who have a height requirement in their bio, and for the ones who don't have it in their bio, height ends up being the 1st question they ask about.
I have no issue whatsoever with people listing their preferences (height and weight), but Destiny's take that this is only on 1% of women's profiles is completely wrong.
All I’m saiyan is, as long as women are free to exclude potential partners based on height, I will happily continue to exclude potential partners based on weight😂
Men generally already do that. Also let’s not act like men themselves don’t have height preference themselves. There’s a reason why tall girls feel so undatable.
@@Elegantwoes not at all, weight is controllable, not only that, men are conscious because of height due to women’s height standards. Get out of here
Lmao your short and lonely
Man Destiny has no clue about how hard it is to gain muscle mass or lose weight
"OH yeah you guys if you wanna lose weight efficiently just get fat to build muscle and then work out." Said destiny with sarcasm and venom. Describing the bulk and cut process, which is a very legitimate way to drop hella weight especially over time.
To destiny's defense we aren't talking about a bulked body we're talking about obese people.
In all fairness this is actually a method to gain muscle (and actually gain weight) not a method to LOSE weight. This is by definition gaining weight
You can overcome obesity by never stepping foot in a gym lmao. The girl speaking @9:50 is a moron. I need to get into these debates. Losing weight is very, VERY simple. Calories in, walk 3-4 times a week around your neighborhood, at least a mile. You never have to go to a gym. In fact, if you're someone who's struggling with losing weight, I highly advise against a gym membership, because you'll get the membership and then hardly, if ever, go to the gym and you'll never cancel your membership. First, fix your diet. Once you do that, find a local park, get a book or something from Audible or podcast, and start walking. You'll be in a better mood too, especially since you're getting more Vitamin D, which is great for regulating your immune system and regulating your mood.
Sitting in front of a computer with a bad diet may not always make you fat, but it is 100% making you depressed. Seriously, just ONE HOUR, out of your day. GO for a walk. In fact, I'm gonna go do it right now with my dog.
48:32 Apatite is hard to overcome but that door swing both ways, a lot of "hard gainers" have terrble apatites and find it just as hard to keep eating as big people find it hard to stop eating, you have to fight all day to force feed yourself when you aint hungry
Most people that get upset that someone doesn’t want to be belittled are just mad that they can’t get away with being rude.
Some people are over sensitive but why the fuck is anyone justifying being an asshole? There’s a massive difference between calling someone out for being overweight and unhealthy because they need it vs seeing someone heavier than you that IS HEALTHY AND FINE and thinking you’re in the right for talking down to them. No you’re weird if that’s your mindset. Friends roasting is different especially if they know when to stop and what boundaries are.
Bigger people as long as they aren’t steadily getting bigger and they’re healthy don’t need a stranger calling them out for being bigger. They know. I’m skinny as fuck and it’s not super healthy for my height which is 6’3 but I also have a fast metabolism and eat a lot so I can’t just gain that weight easily I lose faster than I gain. The reverse is true for some bigger people so you don’t get to be upset that they’re upset with your words.
Jokes are fine enough when they’re not malicious but how aggressively some people want to talk about others appearances just for being fat not even morbidly obese but simply for being fat I’m getting red flags that that’s a glass house about to throw stones.
Because caring about the words of strangers, especially asshole strangers is weak. We live in a society where youth freak out & fucking cry over being misgendered or the wrong pronouns from fucking strangers. Now, I don't believe in bullying strangers, but a person begging the world to never make fun of them for being fat is just being weak.
I’ve worked at a gym for 4,5 years and he’s not wrong. I’ve seen it. Even some coworkers sometimes do it just because they’re bored and have nothing else to do. They’re right there’s some great people but just because you haven’t seen the bad ones doesn’t mean they’re not out there. I’ve seen and heard plenty.
What are the proportion of each group in your experience?
Thank you! Every environment has its share of jerks. Gyms aren't any different.
Destiny's trolling when it came to the building body mass is next tier.
Papa Gut saw through Lav’s bs over a year ago!? Massive W for that Papa.
L Papa Gut
@@JesusOrDestruction insane dickeating
@@JesusOrDestruction insane dickeating
The truth is losing weight as a fat person or building muscle as a skinny person is easy but once you get to a certain point that is different for everybody it's going to be increasingly difficult and more complicated to reach your goals.
Destiny was completely incorrect about gaining muscle mass not contributing to losing weight. He really needs to do some basic research before being so adamantly wrong.
I believe he was trolling.
Okay I tripped so hard! I thought it's a video of a new stream, and I heard Lav and I was like "WTF!?!?!" when this happened!
xD
August naming everybody on the panel in the video description and then adding “and more”. I see what you did there OMEGALUL
Destiny's fitness takes are approaching his food takes in levels of bad...
Man, I have so much to say about this personally. I'm 34 as of today actually, I weigh around 230lbs, a few years ago I weighed about 405lbs. So, as much as I hate Lav, she's right ultimately in that if you're overweight, you really don't have to go to the gym to lose weight, you just need to eat less and eat differently. I lost about 200lbs in one year by just switching to keto, and eating less. One meal a day, every now and then I'd skip a day or two in a row. I read the book the Ketogenic Diet by a Canadian Dr here (tip of my tongue) and cutting out sugar/pasta/potatoes was only really hard for the first month or so, then got easy. AND I DID IT ON A SHIT DIET version of keto, where I'd just eat like, a couple sausages and some cut up cheese. Some deli meats to snack on every now and then. If or mostly go to mcDonalds and get some McDoubles without buns. You can eat like four of those in one sitting as a meal in a day and it's incredibly fatty and filling and is still not enough calories that an obese person won't just melt away while in ketosis.
I'm only just now starting to work out a bit, I had lost almost all of the weight in one year, and the last couple of years or so I've just maintained my weight, going on and off keto around holidays.
People should actually look into fasting, and just the incredible myth that is that we need to eat as much as we do. Kneejerk reaction from virtue signally chicks is that it'll cause you to start 'eating disorders', that's retarded, just learn about it and chill. Your body adapts incredibly quickly, we used to be hunters not just have pantries full of cookies and shit.
Also, in my experience being fat, I've NEVER been discriminated against in a gym in any way shape or form (if it matters, I'm Canadian I guess, but we have dicks too in general) the only time I could imagine it happening reasonably is one of the examples mentioned where I guess 14-16 year olds could maybe make fun of a fat person? Generally speaking I've only interacted with guys at the gym and they've always been SUPER down to support me and even ask me what my routine is, check my form, spot me, whatever. That perception is just some fat insecurity projection shit
ALSO, I am one of the types of people that benefit from fat shaming, knowing I need to do something about it and society reinforcing that it's not healthy, that fat people should change their outcome etc has definitely had an impact on me. And now at 405lbs to hovering in the 220-230 range, I too of course testify with everyone else that being fat sucks and people need to just stop fucking around, or die early and own it.
Also, appetite is controlled by a hormone called ghrelin, which is suppressed through eating less and dieting. So Destiny getting hung up during his full-retard mode about appetite is largely moot if he bothered to learn about any of this.
One of the most annoying parts of the "fat shaming" dialogue here is they correctly point out that most of the gym shaming is self inflicted anxiety than it is people being awful, but they don't got the single step further and ask, "Hey fat person, why would you be so self conscious being in a room full of other people doing activities that highlight how fat and out of shape you are?". The point is that if we didn't publicly shit on people as a normalized attack against them, then fat people wouldn't be constantly thinking people are talking shit about them in an environment that's suppose to be about positive growth.
I'm a fat dude and I don't get made fun of at the gym, yall tripping. You there to work out not pat attention to see if people looking at you funny or talking about you. Focus on the gains 💪 ✨️
I hear it from time to time aimed at other people but no worries they legit aren't going to walk up to you and call you a fat ass hell they mock the smell but they definitely aren't going to approach you about it.
23:43 he's right, you have to consistently consume protein to provide muscles the proper nutrients to gain muscle while avoiding excess fat. There's that certain gram per bodyweight/pound you have to maintain just to build onto of training. Losing fat, all you have to do is stop overeating, most people don't even know something as simple as a cup/serving of most drinks is 240ml. Before I started measuring, I'm pretty sure I was consuming like 300ml+ per serving. That stuff adds up.
As Destiny said 15 times. The PRINCIPLES you're referencing that are HIGH-EFFORT, are PRINCIPLES for MIN-MAXING
IF. YOU. LIFT. DE. WEIGHTS. YOU. BUILD. DE MUSCLE.
END OF DISCUSSION DON'T FUCKING CARE IF YOU REPLY TO ME "WELL WHAT IF YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA MANAGER BETRAYS YOU AND GOES TO WORK FOR THE OTHER MR OLYMPIA CONTESTANTS" THEN I WILL BLOW MY BRAINS OUT.
One of the biggest revelations I had when I got into fitness was just how screwed our perceptions of food portions are. Some people eat way too much, and some don't eat enough. Finding that balance can be tough.
Im not overweight but a game changer for me as an adult was getting back into athletics (Climbing/Bouldering). Playing a sport you love is so fun, it doesn't even feel like you are working out.
^^^this right here. I hate working out, but I love playing sports.
@53:20 Going to the gym every other day can be comparably difficult to dieting if you have a very busy schedule or you hate working out.
As someone who trains seriously and is looking into becoming a part time trainer on the side. Fitness is one of those topics I just can't watch Destiny discuss. It triggers me so much haha. He is always dead wrong about so much. Erudite is pretty much always generally correct on her fitness takes. A simple google search will reveal that most of what she says it true.
bro you LITERALLY train seriously. You cannot compare yourself to normal ass people just trying to get some muscle and look good. stop taking fucking extremes and going "bro shit is hard up here"
The point destiny was making is that it's easier for a normal dude to put on SOME OR ANY muscle than it is for that SAME DUDE to lose even 20lbs. if you wanna bitch about the extremes, you start sounding like those League pros saying shit like Diamond is the real hell. You're already better than 99% of players, of fucking COURSE it's harder to rank up, that's how EXTREMES work.
think of it like this. how hard do you think it is for a fat person to gain 10% more fat? probably fucking difficult as SHIT. a 300lb person gaining another 30lbs? thats fucking CRAZY hard and takes a long ass time. it's the same concept as a normal fairly fit person wanting to get in better shape, it's gonna be fucking ROUGH and take a long ass time to see the same improvements you were seeing before.
Destiny is talking about gaining muscle, not gaining muscle the most efficient way.
@@adamanderson3042one of those personal trainers destiny mentioned
35:40 as someone who literally has a brother who is super skinny but intakes a lot of calories, I can say that Destiny is wrong on this one. His doctor told him to eat more milkshakes and shit just because of how skinny he was and that was years ago and he's still underweight at 23
Yo brother needs to track his calories, and then increase by 100 bi weekly until the lbs start coming on, he isn't immune to the laws of thermodynamics lbs will eventually come on.
@@shadow1fun777 maybe but dude literally just plays video games and eats fast food. I would think he's eating at least 3000 calories
Your bro probably has an exoskeleton build. Burns a lot of calories by doing the bare minimum. The trick is to eat more protein because carbs are just going to go right through him.
@@micah459 he's not. Again he's not immune to thermodynamics these are laws not opinions. And the laws of thermodynamics aren't broken like the US laws. Even things like fidgeting can increase calorie expenditure.
I couldn't put on weight at all no matter what a drank and ate until around 30 when my metabolism slowed down. But then I did a fair amount of exercise so maybe I could have if lazier.
I was extremely overweight and experienced nothing but support from people at the gym. My experience was completely different from Gut's.
Erin constantly asking rhetorical questions doesn't clarify that's the case and gets frustrated when it's responded to. Wild
Papa Gut probably got told one time how to properly lift or something got in their feelings and never went back and just ran with the narrative that gym people hate those trying to better their lives
I know this shit is old but he was a powerlifter lol. I don’t think he’s every had trouble lifting
Honestly, as a skinny guy who started going to the gym everyday and drinking a scoop of protein powder after every session, I can totally get where destiny is coming from. He’s not talking about becoming a 180 pound muscle-mass demon, he’s talking about seeing pecs for the first time in your life. All things considered, it’s pretty easy to get to if you just go and bench press an amount you feel good with and then get enough protein. I also will confess doing that immediately makes you feel inhumanly superior to everyone else on earth who isn’t muscular, like “oh what? You’re not doing this minimum effort thing that even me, a clueless moron, is doing?”
Anorher really good weight loss strat is also to stop drinking boba tea (balls at the bottom)
Exactly. The confusion came when LTG said "it's harder to build muscle". Destiny got trigger from the phrase but autocorrected to "muscle mass". Which is considered different from just building muscle and made some of his statement wrong.
It's harder to build muscles.
Look at Destiny. He supposedly go to a gym. He looks like a person who never lifted anything in his life.
Even his posture is f@ked.
It took me like 6 month to learn about my body & start gaining muscles.
Do you know how long it takes you to kick out the bad food habits?
It takes 3 days!!
Just don't eat for 3 days & the food cravings go away!!!
Humans can go without food for like 40 days. The danger is when your body starts eating muscles & internal organs.
If you are fat, you can probably double that time. Fat people have so much fat reserves, it would take months to kill a fat person.
@@bestdjaf7499 Food cravings do not go away in 3 days and the habits built over a lifetime in a culture that teaches you nothing about eating healthy are harder to get rid of.
ENOUGH TEA
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Just ask any person who has fasted.
The first day is a bit difficult. The 2-3 day is really hard. But then the hunger goes away.
I've done 7-14 days water/lemon juice fasts.
My friend did 21 (or 24 days).
Guys at work all did like 7 days.
Watching me, my father start fasting over the weekends.
I had a colleague from India & her dad is a yogi guru. Their whole family do water fast every weekend & the very long fasts 2ce a years.
All religions promote fasting.
Even animals fast.
My dog when doesn't feel good, would stop eating for a few days.
Do you know that some dogs never over eat?
I've always heard/thought that animals always over eat.
I can give my dog his favorite food, but he never over eats. He usually eats like once a day after a walk.
Some days he eats at night!!
He was like 75-78lb all his life.
So you are telling me that people have less control than animals?
Well, I agree. And a lot of people are worse than animals & even more stupid.
But I don't think it's their fault. It's just we spoil people & let them behave emotionally & to be lazy ....
There are no more environmental pressures.
People don't have to hunt or even work.
You can't work if you are like 300lb.
So you probably didn't work construction job all those years to get to 300lb.
Love Aba so much it is unreal.
Same. Aba is probably my favorite person Steven talks to regularly. Gordon Menzies (Australian, Christian, professor dude) is probably my second favorite.
The amount of confidence that destiny has telling incorrect information about metabolism just floors me
and your correct information coming from?
@@Rihardololz this is literally law of thermodynamics level knowledge. If you are expending more energy than you are taking in (measured in calories) you WILL lose mass. That is not something up for debate and Destiny has clearly missed that fact.
@@Buddyrtc losing mass doesn’t mean losing fat. Metabolism in living isn’t so simple. You can eat little and still not lose much weight I am saying that from experience.
@@Blackbirdinthedeadofnight losing mass means losing mass. Typically that will mean muscle or fat, but your body will eat your fat before your muscle, so that typically means muscle. I didn’t eat for 7 days but otherwise didn’t change my lifestyle (meaning I didn’t work out at all) and I lost considerable weight, so I also have personal experience.
@@Buddyrtc you mean your body will lose muscle before losing fat. As I said metabolism is much more complicated then that. If you want to educate yourself more on the subject I recommend the book “nature wants you to be fat”. It’s not just about calories intake.
"The healthiest I've been was when I was 330lbs"......key word "healthiest". It doesn't mean you were healthy 🤣🤣🤣
Destiny "I will stake my whole reputation on this."
Destiny: *Proceeds to make the biggest L arguments
Guess his reputation goes into the garbage now.
I like Destiny but fuck his diet/exercise knowledge is non existent. Seeing him be so confident makes me cringe
@@hahafunnyman-on5rq yeah no he really did miss on this one
5:39 personally, ive only ever seen and heard of fat people at the gym being encouraged, though a lot dont go because they think people will make fun.
I'm confused how they understand about how appetite will drive you to fatness, but nobody even fathoms to imagine how a lack of appetite will lead to skinniness.-.
We need Greg doucette, more plates more dates, and vegan gains in here.
Dam the knowledge level on diet is horrible. Telling a fat person to eat less is like telling a guy with depression just be happy . There physical and mental issues that make it hard . Example some diet drugs actually address this pathway that leads to fat loss .
Destiny spitting facts though, we have more concrete information on how humans build muscle than lose weight.
I think the correct wording should be "build strenght" because there can be a lot of muscle under fat.
The skinny kid experience where someone can eat a shitton and not gain much weight is absolutely true, but it's usually going to be a puberty specific thing, or for people with large mental calories demands, like famously is the case for chess players (and I'd bet is the case for prof gamers).
Destiny idea of losing weight made me face palm. Geez. I can’t believe he was so confidentially incorrect.
Overweight people gonna say Destiny is wrong.
@@Rihardololz healthy people in general will say destiny is wrong. It’s always going to be calories in vs calories out. You can eat more and still lose weight. You can eat less and gain weight. What people need to realize that eating healthy calorie per volume is a lot of food compared to unhealthy food.
At my heaviest, I was eating roughly 2500-3500 calories while weighing 260lbs. I’m currently eating 2700- 3000 calories weighing 195 Lbs. Yet, the amount of food by volume has increased significantly.
Edit: in the exercise department, he sounds just as clueless. Sure you can build muscle
Just lifting weights doing random things, but none of that matters if your diet isn’t in the right place. As in, you won’t grow as much and you won’t look as cut.
Papa Gut projecting his own insecurities onto others thinking people at the gym are laughing at him. He’s a walking Brian Posehn joke.
I'm a fat guy, here's the reality.
As a society (especially in the US) we need to be serious about combating obesity. It's absolutely true that being at a healthy weight has a massive positive impact in both life expectancy and life quality. We are failing are friends and family by just encouraging an unhealthy lifestyle.
It's equally true that bullying someone for being overweight serves no altruistic purpose. If you do it, you are simply an asshole. it will actively work against most people's will to lose weight, hence why many overweight folks fear judgement at the gym. For those that it does help, it is never more effective than other forms of social pressure that don't train them to believe their existence as a person is not accepted by society.
Sorry destiny, you got it wrong on how hard it can be for skinny guys to gain weight. As someone who spent 3 years in jail, spending most days at the gym, drinking and eating extra protein. I went from 65kg to 68kg over 3 years. Within 2 weeks of release I had gone right back to 65kg. In prison I worked out and slept. As soon as I started walking the weight fell off. I can find you a million skinny motherfuckers who eat a tonne.
Destiny’s positions on working out and how easy it is to gain muscle triggered me hard. He always gives these workout advice and takes but lately still looks doughy as fuck with little to no gains after bragging about working out all the time. Its
The cocky confidence that bothers me hes wrong here. His own advice isnt working for himself. Homie literally just eating chocolate with 2 oats in it streaming
"doughy as fuck" LOL jesus
Has he ever claimed he has been trying to bulk up at the gym? He could just do a bunch of cardio and then a bit of muscle building/upkeep.
I can't think of a single quote from him that suggests he is going to the gym for anything more than what he looks like now (a relatively healthy dude.)
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 hes talking some big talk about working out and how simple it is. If your going to be cocky like that your going to get criticism if you are noodle armed and doughy. Nothing about his physique says i do training of any kind imo. He was talking some big game with nothing to back it up. I agree with destiny on alot but this one he shit the bed and looked like an ass
Papa gut had a 600lb pull and 250lb log press? Thats mad good actually big respect for him
Jesus Christ people, read the description it's an old video!
It clearly states Destiny is a womans name.
KingGut getting as triggered as he did by ltg not saying his name right tells you everything you need to know about him
22:47 they're actually both kind of right. It is harder to continue to gain muscle but the first three to six months of working out you gain muscle very very easily because your body is not used to working out. Your body will gain muscle very rapidly, so in that sense, it is very easy to gain muscle. After the first years of continuing to work out then it becomes harder to gain muscle. The same could be said about losing weight. it's very easy to initially start to lose weight in a caloric deficit but at some point your body will normalize and plateau. Then you'll stop losing weight and you'll have to put extra pressures onto your body to continue the weight loss.