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Worth noting, "coronavirus" gets your video demonetised but "covid-19" doesn't, even though they refer to the exact same thing and the permitted one is arguably more specific.
Better be specific to avoid confusion & demonetization. One will argue that "Coronavirus" can also be used for SARS & MERS.
Well, kowtow to the WHO set of wordings or you get into trouble. How the business world submits to the largest fake news organisation in the pandemic is disgusting.
@@leo-windrider ...what? lmao ok
Still haven’t heard *why* you’re not allowed to talk about crown viruses.
They should call it the Wuhan virus.
Thought this was Wendover for a bit.
Same lol
"Fuel continues to get more expensive" lol Russia and Saudi Arabia now disagree with that statement
If only aircraft used the same fuel as land vehicles....
@@tunnar79 They are all crude oil based. And Jet A1 (the fuel used by airlines) is very similar to Diesel, just with a different viscosity and low temperature capability.
So yes, the fall in oil prices currently can offset some of the costs, but not nearly enough. Not to mention, most airlines buy fuel futures to have fuel at fixed prices going forward, it is called hedging. And if an airline hedged fuel, they do not pay the current low price.
TLDR: Crown Illness
Me: Nope Cough
Me: Breathn't
@@slinkerdeer This is still my favourite lol
The queen, clutching her pearls: *Crown illness you say?*
*Is that what Harry & Meghan got?*
This made me laugh
Just say CV. It's going to be super hard for YT to demonetise it especially since it can be used for the term cirriculum vitae.
Well, the UK government didn't really "rescue" them, they just allowed them to defer the Air Passenger Duty. Not really much of a "rescue".
Note that “defer” essentially means “not pay”, unless it worked.
Yet were it not for this move they would have gone into administration a month ago and had a fighting chance of recovery given the global situation at the time.
The government is in a queue with other creditors and may well get its APD.
Billie Piper’s Teeth maybe, sure. Back taxes to governent is typically number 1 priority in administration, whose rules are set by the government. Funny how that happens. In which case the government has essentially screwed the other creditors out of that money, money that they would have gotten if they’d gone into administration in January.
Government money is my money, so I’d far prefer them to get the first cut of the carcass than the banks.
Once... a person I know said "Airlines are the place where rich person go for money laundring."
It is never profitable, perfect to launder your money
The fact that you can't name the outbreak even on an unrelated topic shows how TH-cam is using a hammer when it should be using a scalpel
What a shocker. /S
@@MasterSwo TH-cams ad team is stupid. They have a goldmine and they demonetize way to much of it. Sell some dam ads for the other channels, oh right, you would have to hire some staff for that so the bosses won't make us much that they will throw into their Scrouge money pile.
Exactly wtf happened to freedom of speech?
@@01JENNERS TH-cam is not the government. Private entities can censor any speech they want., they own the platform.
@@kevinconrad6156 Then they aren't a platform then.
They're a publisher and should be treated as such by the law.
Flybe will flyno more
Flybe or fly not to be
that was really shit mate
TBH their nickname in the industry was 'FlyMaybe'
My work uses Flybe for business and they call it FlyMaybe
We really need Flyc
Q: How do you make a small fortune in aviation?
A: Start with a large fortune!
Trouble is you then throw good money after bad !
Seems like there are too many companies in the market so some collapsing is just the market asserting itself.
"Market consolidation", and yep, probably, it'd be interesting to see who's buying all the cheap planes from all these collapsing airlines... give it a few more years and there'll be just 5 companies left, but each one running different subsidiaries, for cheap low cost flights verses um... the full service flights... it'll look slightly the same, with lots of different brands, but with fewer owners and so fewer people making any money, but with the ability to change the use of planes throughout the year possibly, moving disused planes to handle flights across Asia during winter months, or converting them to carry cargo etc
*grabs popcorn*
Great video, thank you making it!
TIL.
Flybe accounted for the majority of flights at my local airport, Newquay. Now the county is left disconnected from the rest of the country. What was once an hour journey to Heathrow has turned into six, an hour journey to Manchester has turned into 5 hours and 50 mins without traffic. Hopefully a company will come to save Newquay, along with the others which relied on Flybe to keep them alive!
High Speed Rail. Domestic flying is a dead business when trains could be cheaper, faster and less hassle. They just need renationalised and invested in, shame you twats voted Tory :/
@@sykessaul123 I 100% voted for tory at my 17 years of age when the last general election was held 🤔
@@loopyloomdesigns Was more meaning your constituency or the vast majority of English constituencies that voted Tory not you specifically, hence "twats".
Felt weird hearing my city being spoke about in this video.
Also, crown illness 🤣🤣
I spent 17 years in aviation, airlines operate in a very fragile enviroment, the high cash flow requirements v cleared profit ratio makes it a poor investment choice.
Me too - deregulation did the trick
@ Most new airlines fall appart very quickly, I think deregulation just encourage more with insufficient long term investors to throw the (loaded) dice.
"Too many seats, not enough people."
NHS: "Too many people, not enough begs."
Plenty of seats for Illegal Immigrants though in addition to the Aircraft's Undercarriage Recess Bay.
Basically the fares were too high.
Such seasonality can only be explained by europeans preferring flight as their method of travel for holidays only.
You're stepping on Wendover Productions' territory mate, watch out
Southampton Airport now only has 3 -5 flights a day. The silence is bliss to be fair.
Is it a little weird to anyone else that we have China-like “censorship” of words ?
You just found that out. Try writing anything that's moderately right wing...
@ like what
@@usarkarzts4207 Pretty well anything negative about the 'juice' for a start or how about certain religions - write anything you like about christians but not about the m's
@ the juice? What is that
@@usarkarzts4207 I think he means the people that had a rough time in Germany's 40's ... Which i find very funny because he said "moderatly right wing", he didn't follow with very liberal economics, or conservative social policies, no sir. When asked for example immediatly jumped on racism ...
tldr: he's either Dog-whistling or couldn't recognize a moderate right wing if it spat in its face. Which i think most moderate righ would do.
There is a rumour that during a c ovid epidemic, airlines will be forced to operate empty in order to maintain their airport landing slots! How many will simply give up and go away?
derek wansborough sounds extremely unlikely tbh. Airports wouldn’t want to have to employ ATC and make nothing in their shops, it makes no sense for them. Even if they did want to impose it the government would no doubt step in on economic and environmental grounds
Rules forcing airlines to operate or lose their routes have been suspended a week or two ago.
There shouldn’t be a domestic flight market in the UK (aside from emergency travel w/Mann, Jersey, etc.). Renationalize and fix your train system.
Nathan C I too like to reply to comments pretending that they say something completely different from what they say.
I agree with you about flying around most of England- but what about journeys between Scotland and the South West/ South Coast?
The domestic flights does not only serve passengers from the U.K. But also connecting passengers from the international flights.
anonUK How long of a distance is that?
@@ericherde1
Glasgow to Exeter is 445 miles.
I took a boat recently, I felt like a king with all the space and facilities, at a fraction of the price. I hate being hearded around like cattle to get a flight with a seat no bigger than a vinyl record.
It must be uncomfortable for peasants such as yourself. I only fly First, Upper and Business.
If you are poor and don’t like economy, stay at home in your social housing.
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda got an inferiority complex?
Inferior to only those that have a private jet, but superior to economy dwelling peasants such as yourself.
I would never degrade myself by flying economy, it’s just so undignified.
Your profile picture looks like you took a boat recently :-p
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda 🤣🤣😆 now I get it, you've been triggered by the word 'king' in my comment, your social dominance is fragile. BTW you are writing to a sigma male that doesn't give a shiny shit how you travel.
The margins on commercial airliners are certainly thin.
If you look at the average ticket price you'll find it barely exceeds the average cost to the company of flying an average passenger.
prehaps there should be rail-train packages where you can catch a train to london and transfer to a plane there, with your bags being transfered for you
The way you pronounced "Aigle Azur" and "Vueling" kinda made me want to cry on the inside but still, congratulations on yet another great video. Keep up the hard work!
P.S. Vueling is pronounced similarly to "dwelling", Aigle Azur as "Egg-la-sûr"
For the past few days at work, I've spoken almost exclusively with passengers wanting to cancel or postpone their trip. Most of them were attending events that got cancelled because of the virus scare, and many of them feel obliged to explain they feel people are overreacting. Some tell me their employer has cancelled all business travels as a precaution. Then there's the tourists; most of them are afraid and want to go a country with no or very few infections so far, or postpone their trip indefinitely/cancel. I am getting very nervous about the massive blow that not just the airline industry, but the global economy as a hole is taking right now as a result of measures to slow the spread of the virus.
All those cancelled conferences mean a lot of business opportunity lost. This means those businesses will not be hiring more staff or buying more raw materials to meet demand. Both business and leisure travellers won't be staying at a lot of hotels, won't be eating at a lot of restaurants, won't be visiting a lot of attractions... I think we are going to see a lot of bankruptcies in the coming months, and not just airlines.
I thought FlyBe was Belgian given it has the ISO code for Belgium right in its name! 🤔
Neh, it was a ~40 year old UK airline.
The Be in its name stands for "British European".
@@Croz89 Belgium seems more plausible given Brexit 😛
@@Croz89 Big oof
They were also highly geared.
Couldn't the Northern Hemishere airlines and Southern Hemisphere airlines get together to facilitate each leasing their planes to each other during their low seasons. Surely the issue of changing decals can't be insurmountable.
A good explanation on what happened with Flybe.
Both my wife and I were employed by Flybe, we both worked extremely hard as did the thousands of my colleagues to keep the public safe flying around the UK and Europe.
The comments here about ‘Flymaybe’ are nothing more than an insult and not very funny.
Shame on the scumbags who think it’s funny, we have lost our jobs and potentially our careers.
With Flybe's collaps, there are more passengers available to fill the competitors planes. I feel like they have already increased prices as a result.
The consumer (us) demand lower and lower prices which drives company margins down so little wonder that an external factor delivering a short term reduction in demand can be catastrophic. Ultimately we the public have to take our share of responsibility for these failures.
The other problem that European low cost short haul Airlines have that US don't have to worry about of course is competition from Trains.
And particularly so in an airline who specialises in within-country flights.
Even on flights from parts of Scotland to London by the time you add in travel to/from airport there isn't a huge time advantage, so their costs are bound at top end, and many would prefer the more sustainable train unless there was a huge benefit.
While this isn't a factor with some flights of course it could be enough to tip the balance on a fragile budget
They took the money owed to the taxpayers. Time to put the owners in jail until they pay. They also have to cover the cost incurred in jail. Tired of this filth getting away with this for decades.
The best best days and dates to fly anywhere are those on a Friday the 13th. Always bags of room.
I agree with the CEO of Ryanair, Michael O'Leary, on this. He's said in the past that the European aviation market is going through the same process as the US market did a couple of decades ago. It's consolidating into only a few major players that dominate the market. In the US you've got American, United, Delta and Southwest who make up 80% of the market alone. In Europe it's looking like we're going to have a big 5 or 6. Those being Ryanair, easyJet, IAG (owner of British Airways, Iberia, Vueling and more), Air France-KLM, Lufthansa Group (owner of Lufthansa, Swiss, Austrian, Eurowings and more) and maybe Wizz Air. Wizz Air who are absolutely massives in Central and Eastern Europe.
AirAsia used to fly Asia/Europe. TF and RB did a deal and AA stopped. No one stepped in to that market which I, for one, think would have been a solid market. The el cheapo UK/Eu airlines went nuts and there were far too many, lots dropped in the early 00's and the rest are being found out..... pity really fuel prices are about to drop!
Disgusting. FlyBe collected those taxes and kept them. Any of us would go to prison.
TLDR : COVID-19 = Crown Illness
Crohn’s Disease: Am I a joke to you?
Well one thing that'll happen is that the air will be better without shitty engines and fuel dumps
nick99 shut up
The problem is Aircraft are very expensive to purchase and run, the maintenance and running costs must be horrendous yet you can travel on them at Rediculousy low cost yet they continue to reduce fares to tempt people to fly with them. This over capacity and low fares is a recipe for disaster and bankruptcy. Competion is one think but this is crazy just like the Supermarkets in the UK trying to exterminate each other by reducing margins on the goods they sell to keep ahead of the game.Aldi and Lidl are a thorn in the side of the Major Supermarkets but sooner or later what is happening in the Airline industry will happen to them.
Actually someone in 2013 did a calculation of the profits and losses of all the world airlines since KLM started in 1919 and found that overall in almost a century the airline business had not made any money If the Wright Brothers had known what we now know they would have stuck to their bicycle repair business as cycle manufacturer has been a far more profitable industry .
Amazing TH-cam channel! Keep up the excellent work!
Jack,
First off you need to know that Patreon is cutting off your paying member subscribers from viewing TLDR news content with membership solicitations when they are ALREADY members despite REPEATED protests to Patreon to correct there default member cutoffs.
With respect to failing short haul airlines like Flybe this has been going on for years in the US as small rural communities which cannot sustain economic air service have it discontinued altogether. In the UK there is more than adequate rail and perhaps motor coach available which might take longer but is viable for short haul and communities like Exeter and Southampton MUST make do with economic reality.
zack tong I don’t know if there is a way message them on patron, it might be better to message them there. I’ll like your comment anyways so that Jack is more likely to see it, though!
the loss of FlyBe is really bad for Belfast
Cobalt was a Cypriot airline not a Greek one
Airlines need to learn to be more efficient.
Just call it human malware
typo at 3:11 says 'becase' instead of because ;)
10:24 Looks like an oopsie!
Great video (as always) with one minor niggle:
Vertical axis on graphs are important. Please can you include them. They give a sense of scale of change in CONTEXT and allow backwards credibility as figures can then be quoted more readily.
Who'd book a flight now with one of the small airlines?
What the British Government should be doing is to stake 50.5% stake in a 'new' Flybe with Connect Airways (jointly owned by Virgin Atlantic and Stobart Aviation) holding 49.5%, to re-establish UK regional routes using the Q400 turboprop aircraft. Flybe UK regional/domestic routes should be considered strategic 'social' services by the British Government.
TH-cam recommended that Wendover vid agai---
Oh wait.
I'm watching this Video Topic on Why Airlines Collasping which sad news for the Aviation Sector.
Airlines could just partner with others in different continents and rent planes when there's high demand in their respected market and low demand in their partners to avoid planes sitting round.
Let me guess - you've never worked in an airline have you?
Airports have large fixed costs, without enough used capacity there is a very real possibility they will have to close, unless the government subsidises them to stay open.
Why is that a bad thing? Air travel has proven to be the worst method of transport for short haul and domestic flights in terms of carbon emissions. The solution is to renationalise the train network and invest into it instead of trying to keep the corpse of air travel alive. If we had a decent high speed rail network it wouldn't matter that small airports had shut down coz you could just get a train to one of the larger international ones. Realistically the UK only needs a handful of them.
@@sykessaul123 In theory, yes. In practice it's more likely to result in a increase in road journeys, mostly by car. Many domestic flights run early in the morning or late at night, getting people to destinations before or after the first and last trains. You'd have to run trains much earlier and later to fully replace those services, which then makes track maintenance difficult. These flight also serve as feeders for many medium and long haul routes, many of which again, would be difficult to get to on time via rail. Considering all that you can see why many would just drive to the airport or their destination.
It's also useful if you need to get somewhere quickly, say you live in Belfast or Inverness and need to go to London just for the day. By train or car you'd pretty much have to stay for 2 or 3 days because it takes so long to get there.
And in some cases like the Isle of Man and Belfast, air travel is more important, as rough seas can cancel ferries but conditions may still be suitable for air travel. With no airport people could be unable to travel for days, so it's more likely subsidies will be given.
@@Croz89 The only reason it'd increase road usage is if the other public transport isn't viable which for a lot of the country it isn't. That's not to say it couldn't be viable if the govt actually invested in it. Rail is almost always faster than car, unless you tell me travelling from Edinburgh to London takes you less than 5 hours? If we had high speed rail on all of the UK's most travelled routes, taking into account checking in, going through security and waiting for runways to clear, hsr is quicker than air travel for most short haul flights such as Edinburgh to London. Not for places like Inverness sure but that's because you're on a 4 hour commuter train to Edinburgh before the faster line to London. That's the whole point of investing in new infrastructure so that you can have the hsr lines separate from the commuter lines. If air travel is to still exist then it needs to change from the "let's cram as many people into the aircraft as possible and if we don't get enough people on then we shut down" to a "let's make each journey as efficient as possible even if that means customers switch to rail because of the cost". There's no reason why trains can't serve as a transport link to the long haul flights, I'd argue that that already happens with the Manchester Airport train that travels from Glasgow Central which runs from 4am. Does that cause a massive problem for rail maintenance? Not that I'm aware of and I've travelled that line a bunch of times.
@@sykessaul123 The Glasgow Central to Manchester airport service is about 3 hours 48 minutes, it's no good for early morning flights even from 4. It's true there's no flight that would get you in appreciably earlier (from Edinburgh or Glasgow), so it's kind of a moot point. But to Heathrow, for example, you'd have to go to Euston and get out of central London, meaning 11-12 is probably a realistic earliest time, but a flight from Glasgow could get you there by 8:30, and then you're already air-side so you don't need so much time to transfer. Sure, it's only a couple of hours, but that's the difference between a viable itinerary and not.
And while a few mainline services do run very early, many suburban, commuter and interurban lines do not, meaning a lengthy drive and long term parking maybe needed anyway, and if you're going to have to drive, why not just save the hassle of dragging luggage around and go straight to the airport? My line to Manchester doesn't start up until around 5am. And god forbid it's a Sunday, when many charter and leisure flights run and the trains don't start until much later.
With a world class HSR network with 100's of billions of investment over the next 20 years, sure, your idea could work (though like with AVE in Spain some routes are unlikely to ever be profitable compared to road or air travel). But we don't have that, and we need it now, not in 20 years. Until then many regional air passengers will likely drive instead.
Are you going to talk about what's happening in Poland? It's disgusting and no one is talking about it.
But secgregations of a minority never ends well
Elaborate please?
@@ph0522 a third of Poland has declared themselves as LGBT free zones. Saying the gay 'ideology' isn't welcome in the area. The reason this is scary is it's government supported not just some extremist. Their extremists in power. They have self described themselves as hostile towards any LGBT member.
And LGBT rights in Poland are barely existent. This is probably going to end with bloodshed.
Segregation of a minority never ends well. Especially when supported by governments.
Critics are reporting it as eerily similar to what happened to the Jews in Poland. So you know.... Ughhh it's going to go badly.
Either way it's a massive pushback for the modern rights movement
They claim that the LGBT rights movement is an attack on them. Their religions and their traditions.
This is all a pushback as in schools it was introduced that children would be taught about being gay. (by that they mean gays exist) that's really all the education they were getting. Where as before the polish education system pretended they didn't exist
They've also claimed that by educating children about being gay their corrupting them and indoctrinating them into being gay. (I'm sure I don't need to point out how moronic that is) and claiming that by promoting gay education, they're leading the way for things like abortion. Pornography. Sexual deviance, sexual criminalities and so on and on
Might have over eleborated but there you go
Ashra whaaa are you geeh ’ ?????
@@ashra8281 thank you Ashra, didn't know any of this was going on... so much media doesn't give any indication of these things happening.
Yeah. It's terrible. It's a good thing that we have drag queens indoctrinating 5 year olds and the NHS giving puberty blockers and double mastectomies to teenagers. They can't decide what time the should go to bed but they can choose to destroy their own genitalia. Yeah that's everything to do with looking after children and nothing to do with left wing ideology. Shame on you Poland.
Ah yes the 'crown illness' XD
So glad you guys have been able to pivot after the Brexit was over - wasn't sure if you would survive.
Because* ;)
I Believe Virgin,easyjet,loganair & BA Should step in for FlyBe but we don't if that will happen as yet but we'll wait & see what happens first.
Crow Illnes sounds so royal.
10:20 I jus realized, you can not Spell Crown Illness without the word "Navi". Like the aliens from Avatar.
A new company is about to make it big in europe, I don’t know who it is but with so many dense cities in such a small area some company is going to roll out an all electric airplane that will have a much lower operational cost and the weight of batteries will be irrelevant because of the short flight distance.
What’s the problem here? operate flights in Asia and the US with your surplus stock in the off season.
Conversely Asian and American Airlines would surly want to get a bite of the apple in peak time Europe as prices sky rocket.
*airline companies exist*
Coronavirus:you Weren’t supposed to do that
Love your trolling of TH-cam with crown illness
What I want to know is, how many airlines does Europe need? They’ve had more bankruptcies in two years than the United States has airlines at all. Not to mention the United States and Canada have no viable competition to air, outside of the Windsor-Quebec and Boston-Washington DC rail corridors. Meanwhile I can get from London to Southampton via Waterloo station, faster than I can get to Heathrow. By the same token however, the UK has more rail companies than the US has airlines.
Were they not a bit flybenight?
One of the airlines' logo looks just like the coronavirus.
How in the world can YT demonitize one for discussing the virus that sounds very similar like a certain beer (despite the beer being safe to consume)
I flew WOW Air a week before they collapsed.
Well that isn't all that hard is it. The margins are really small and competition is killing. That's all.
Erm you can’t make money with transportation. We need a National Airline.
Alex Daniel just imagine how great service will be then 🙄🙄🙄
Zachary Bohlman like Air France and Singapore Airlines? Both nationally owned.
"And it won't be long before another airline joins the list."
Place your bets!
Please be RyanAir ... The only airline where a replacement bus service is actually better
Korean Air may be next.
The company does not pay APT. That is paid by the traveller. The company is an unpaid "pass-through" agent / tax collector for HMG
This is just cribbed from Wendover Productions
Listen to it on 1,75 speed for like 4 minutes, then if you go back to normal speed he sounds like he's overdosing on xanax.
Am I being stupid, or isn't a fairly obvious way to avoid seasonal disruption is to try to establish yourself more globally rather than sticking mainly to one hemisphere or even continent?
I feel like that's too simple to be right. I'm probably being stupid.
Question: If this is at its core too much supply and not enough demand, shouldn't this airline collapse level off? With fewer mouths there should be more pie to go around. It seems something else is going on here.
I need to Google what is going on with their sister TH-cam... Something seems not right at the moment
I find Jack's voice so soothing that I even listen to news that doesn't interest me ! Keep up the good work .
I want a c virus pin when you make one ! Xxxxx
Airlines are not profitable businesses and often highly seasonal
Flybe has been in financial difficulty for most of the last decade
The only way to hold up basic aviation infrastructure in places where it's not that profitable is either lack of competition or national airline.
In highly competitive market, no airline will tie up their plane on barely profitable routes, even if they could charge more money. Which is suprising as one would assume competition and low margings would make more routes profitable. However given there is a logical cap on prices, and companies want to ultimately reach a more dominant market position, being the only one serving some small fish route just isn't worth it compared to competing on the already crowded market.
Which goes to show an aspect of capitalism not often discussed. The potential of companies, and part of their value, often partly lays in the expected dominant marketposition in future. Which means being able to charge customers more, while serving less. Thus the ultimate direction of competition is not cheapest prices and best services for customers, but abusive control over basic needs and services
You sure the Asia graph is accurate? They have the Spring festival in China on January or February - the biggest human migration in the world. Japan, Korea also have celebrations around that time...
I'd assume they use the high speed rail infrastructure that they have instead of planes, much more cost effective.
Tldr: because they don't have money
I really miss monarch
Is saying 'COVID-19' also a demonetization term?
The gov should just scrap air duty tax like Ireland has done but make airlines promise to promote carbon offsetting as a compromise so if they can keep their routes for less say if flybe didn’t go under and a route say Belfast to Leeds was £63 they’d push for me to round up to £70 use the £7 per person to fund more tree planting or another carbon offset project instead the boost in other revenues like local tourism would recoup more tax in say vat than it will specifically from air duty tax
Because it is simply not profitable. The tickets are too cheap. Maybe with the new oil prices it will become viable.
They were not bailed out by the Government........
Because excessive government taxation. Nothing more or less.
Hello Mate, please talk about Nadine Dorries. Thanks
Looking forward to more CROVID-19 videos from your channel!
thanks to the past Boeing crash and now Crown Illness the airlines are taking a big toll.