Very good video for apologetics. Dr. Wallace is among one of many great scholars who believe in the inspiration of Scripture. Jesus said, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” John 10:27
Behold His Glory PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8
@@underwaves75 Hi there, I just read your comment. Where can I buy this Bible ? I am trying to learn the word of God, so I want to make sure I am reading the right Bible. Thank you ! PS I want to watch these films you mentioned as well.
I appreciate Doctor Wallace's willingness to be HONEST about tough questions-what we have and what we do not have. Some Christian Apologists are too cutthroat & inflexible. I myself am a Christian and am convinced of it all, but that doesn't mean I can shut my mind off, not answer critiques/tough questions, and ignore the world. In fact, I believe my faith has any validity (which I of course do) then I have to trust that it can stand up to scrutiny. I have to give it that chance and to use the brain that God has given me.
Ryan D. Hammond a further challenge PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8
In a day and age when the Bible has come under attack like at no other time in History that I'm aware of coupled with a time when it has never been more important for Christians (and all people for that matter) to know WHY they believe what they believe, I thank God for Dan Wallace, his work at CSNTM, his ministry, and his edifying The Body. Rightly or wrongly it is no longer good enough to say "The Bible says so," I do NOT agree with Andy Stanley and his false teachings that Christians must stop saying "the Bible says" because as ambassadors to the Lord Jesus Christ we must NEVER stop saying "God says". But, that said, we MUST also ALWAYS be prepared to explain WHY the Bible is the Word of God and therefore the Authority by which one should govern the faith and daily life,.
Interesting that Dr. Wallace makes very clear at the start that the Catholic Church is wrong: no earthly authority picked or discarded any books to come up with the modern canon. Yet, a few minutes later, he discusses various apocryphal books while repeatedly saying "they threw that one out," and "they rejected that." WHO is THEY, if not an authoritative early church, that asserted it had the authority to set the canon, judge orthodox doctrine and many other things? Think abut it.
@Douglas J Understand the context. The canon was created by the apostles themselves. But when we go to the apocrypha, was men with no authority that add them as scripture, so “they” the true church of God during time threw them out because that was not from the apostles’ canon.
@@thomasglass9491 Thanks for your reply. Are you suggesting the apostles determined the canon after they died? Most agree all the apostles were dead by 90 or 100 AD. The canon was not settled for many years after that. Peace.
@Douglas J After they die, absolutely not. But Yes, during when they were alive. We have evidence that every single book of the NT were written before 70AD. Paul, in his letters call the gospel of Luke scripture. Peter call Paul’s letters scripture. They knew immediately after writing that their work was scripture. They had the power and inspiration to write and established the canon. The Church doesn’t have the power to write neither to established the canon.
@@douglasj2254 The Apostle John had the complete canon at the time of his death. All of Ezra's 22 books of the old Testament and 27 of the New Testament. 22+27 = 49(7x7). God's Spirit completed the canon.
@@thomasglass9491 I mean, do you have any scholarly sources for that? Most historians agree that the canon was put together post-Council of Nicaea, either at the Council of Rome or Carthage in the late fourth century. And I would disagree on the notion that the Church doesn't have the power to establish a canon. Even Mr. Wallace would disagree with you, given his video. If the Church are led by valid apostolic successors, why wouldn't they have that power?
Apostolicity Catholicity Orthodoxy I have remembered this for apologetics for years now, I learned this from Daniel Wallace in “The God who speaks” docu in 18’ If anyone hasn’t watched that yet it’s a great docu! Amazon Prime I believe
Lask Greek George this is wisdom PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8
@Mike Scarborough Stop going on and one with each person using your copy and paste message dude, anyone whose read this comments section knows you just keep repeating yourself! Give it a rest! You write using U instead of V's as if the world is still in 1611, that shows a bit of an obsession dude! Listen to this clip about the KJV and others, and understand why your 1611-kjv-only-ism may not serve you entirely well! Dan Wallace says he will use 5 different Bibles.. for different reasons.. At first I was resistant because I like and prefer KJV, and was a bit into only-ism myself! Listen right through, even if offended to start with, you'll understand why by the end.. If you make it through the video I'm pretty sure you'll be better equipped to help others afterwards.. I believe you'll be quite relieved actually.. th-cam.com/video/ZjSBnZSa1oQ/w-d-xo.html By the way, one of the Bible's in his list of 5 which he uses side by side each other.. is KJV So persevere with the video and you'll be glad you did..
At around 6:45 he may be implying that Catholicism believes in something higher than the scriptures, like the Church or the Church council. Why not say the Church just interprets what is in the canon but isn’t higher than the scriptures? He would be committing a fallacy of non sequitur. By the way, there is such a council that taught an authoritative list of canon authoritative. That is the Catholic Council of Rome, led by Pope Damasus I. And it is the Catholic 73-book canon. By the way, Eastern Catholicism is a thing so his distinction between “Catholicism” and “Roman Catholicism” can be clarified more.
Thank you for the video. I’ve been a believer for over 30 years now; prior to that I was raised a Mormon. Bible study has been the most interesting study of my life & is like beautifully woven tapestry. I particularly enjoy Biblical types, antitypes, shadows, and allusions that point to Christ, along with how Jesus and the disciples quote from the Old Testament. A good commentary is sometimes necessary to stay of track. It’s easy to see why it has taken some theologians their entire lives to find the treasures within it. We have what we need to understand the way to everlasting life through putting our trust in Him, and until that great day trusting God to refine and sanctify us. In Christ Jesus, 🕊 Stacy
I so appreciate Dr Wallace's research and scholarship. I had never heard the story of the lion's "baptism", but a quick Google search turned up an interesting PDF file on it, and the controversy surrounding it. According to the story this lion was 12 cubits high! I'll finish reading it later (it's several pages long) for no reason other than cheap, commercial-free entertainment. Thanks to Dr Wallace and the uploader of this video!
Betsy Ross PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8
08:01 "Therefore the Spirit of God guided the church in these decisions in conformity with who Jesus Christ is". This is what most Christians believe (me included) but recently I have been asking where did this particular teaching come from. Did God say His spirit guided the churches into the canon we have? The scriptures themselves were written before the canon was agreed upon so it doesn't say much about the canon. But where did this idea come from initially with regards to the New Testament canon we currently use.
It's not a "teaching" it's an observation. It happened organically. Wallace said in this video something to the effect of "they were the sort of books that no one could keep from getting into the NT - they have the "ring of truth" in them." I find it telling that the greatest and most accredited and published Christian academics ever are/were NOT Roman Catholic. Bruce Metzger is a notable example.
Thanks for posting this v interesting video. Kind of tragic about Bart Ehrman losing his faith - it confirmed what I thought of him, without actually ever hearing him say " I don't believe a word of this"
Is not that he “lost” his faith, is that he never had it. He claimed to be a Christian, but he never was one. God never revealed himself to him. Because if he was a truly a Christian, the Holy Spirit would be the seal of his salvation.
Having a living relationship with The Living WORD protects and keeps me in the right Way, i have pitched my tent with Him The Mashiach (Messiah, Christ) and listen only to His soft tender and gentle voice. If i were to be shipwrecked without a Bible my fellowship with the FATHER and The Son Yeshuah(Jesus) would still be alive.
Frank Durant You say you listen only "to His soft tender and gentile voice" However, Jesus did not always speak in such a fashion, as you must agree. He would often speak in the harshest of voices and exhibit violent behaviour.
How about The Shepherd of Hermas which was written in first century Rome? Clement of Rome even cited the Shepherd of Hermas and sent it to foreign churches as an inspired book. Many early Christian writers cited The Shepherd of Hermas as inspired scripture. Also, The Gospel to the Egyptians was cited by Clement of Rome in both 1 and 2 Clement (first century). Clement of Alexandria wrote that this Gospel narrative was still being used by the majority of Christians at the end of the second century and Hippolytus referenced it in the early third century. Epiphanius was a bishop of Salamis (Cyprus) at the end of the fourth century. Epiphanius wrote that the Gospel to the Egyptians was still extant in the late fourth century. Epiphanius, Heresy lxii. 2 (Sabellians). Their whole deceit (error) and the strength of it they draw from some apocryphal books, especially from what is called the Egyptian Gospel, to which some have given that name. For in it many such like things are recorded (or attributed) as from the person of the Saviour, said in a corner, purporting that he showed his disciples that the same person was Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, this Gospel has been lost because of its explicit Modalistic Monarchian content. When we look at the prologue of Luke Gospel narrative, we find Luke writing, "Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us..." Since John's Gospel narrative came later, we know that only Matthew and Mark could have been written before Luke. How can only two Gospels narratives be considered "MANY"? Hence, there had to have been at least another true gospel narrative within the first century (before the Gospel of John) because it takes at least three or four narratives to be considered "many" narratives.
The Shepherd of Hermas was written in the mid second century. It was very highly regarded, but it was never accepted into the Can. The Muratorian Canon speaks highly of it but stops short of treating it as bearing the same authority as the New Testament books precisely because of its mid 2nd century authorship.
The council of Carthage canonized the 27 books of the NT in AD 397. These books were later reaffirmed by the 5th ecumenical council. Of course this process was guided by the Holy Spirit but it was the Church in council that gave us the NT has we have it today.
What a lecture by Mr. Wallace. A clear, pertinent and eloquent defence of the NT canon. Thank you Jesus for men like this pursuing for the truth...Thy Word is truth.
It seems at least obvious to me, as a Christian, that Jesus's Spirit was throughout the centuries at work directing the minds and hands of those responsible for organizing the canon into what is now recognized by the vast majority of Christians as the Old and New Testaments. But of course, this Invisible Hand, working behind the scene, wouldn't be an acceptable way of looking at things if you're an agnostic, skeptic, or an atheist.
r liikanen PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8
The early Christians (definitely guided by the Holy Spirit) preserved the canon's integrity by putting even the earliest Bibles in codex form (bound together in book form). Codex protected the Word of God. It kept it from being lost, changed, or added to.
... 1 John 2: 24, "Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father." ... Jude 1: 3, "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was ONCE delivered unto the saints."
jannmutube PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8
@@underwaves75 ---- > It sounds like your complaint is with some who serve as ministers (Proverbs, 15: 11, Matthew 23: 13). . The Revelation says "the whore sits on many waters". It's not referring to the inspired word of God. ... I hope you will be careful in your language against the King James Bible and other versions. It is the inspired word of God by the Holy Ghost. The KJV teaches the necessary doctrine of faith in Christ to be saved. Religious ideologies like Islam, Mormonism, and Jehovah Witnesses do not. The Bible doesn't make a claim of perfect preservation, it only says God's words will never pass away. Matthew 24: 35, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away" . --- > I think so many different versions can create confusion for some, but the meaning of New Testament versions read the same meaning: the Word of God was made flesh (born of a virgin, the only begotten Son of the Father), he suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, was buried, and rose from the dead on the third day, he will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. . www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%2028:18 There are many partial manuscripts and fragments from the 1st century that were organized into two Bibles. The Alexandrian text is the one used to make so many versions. The KJV comes from Antioch where the Apostles and early church fathers (bishops) were centered. . How we got the bible. Where it comes from. Only 2 bibles... th-cam.com/video/1Xxjl61DCtI/w-d-xo.html . ---- > The KJV was translated from the original Koine Greek. It was the first translation that made the scriptures available to all people, not just the bishops of the church. I . If you have a specific objection or question, I will try to answer you about it. History of The King James Bible: God's Perfect Word th-cam.com/video/eGwwScorP6w/w-d-xo.html
There's not a single council that says "This is what is Scripture." Except for the coucils that say that, but we don't count those because I want to be correct
I have questioned for a while that Mark is the author of that gospel. Mark was an associate or helper of both Paul and Peter. I think it is far more likely that Peter was inspired to write the gospel of Mark and Mark simply did the writing task as more or less a secretary would for a boss. It makes no sense at all that one of the 4 gospels would not be from one of the main apostles that was clearly one of the closest to Jesus Christ and one of the first apostles to be an eyewitness of the resurrection. The same thing really applies to Luke who is supposedly the author of Luke and Acts. I seriously doubt it, but both books do appear to be from the same author.
this nothing to do with this lecture but I was in Turkey during the cold war, in the late 1950's. His prayer reminds me of the so-called evangelicals of this time, 2018.
Finally, we have the four gospels we use today remain anonymous works. What are the criteria used to determine which are words of Jesus and which are not? What assures us that these documents were written by apostles or their associates?
Same criteria every other mss has for their work. If you apply it to every historical text then you'll probably end up wondering whether you are a fruit or a human.
@Hector Hernandez What a sham way of deciding truth. In my experience, any time anyone talks about the “Spirit of God” directing their decisions, it coincidentally 99 times out of 100 can be reduced to that person’s projections, this “spirit” is just a convenient external agent that psychologically unaware people think is guiding them
Great point! The 4 were anonymous but had the internal authority whereas the 2nd century gospels had authors names but lacked internal authority and imo were written too far from the events to have any historical value.
Thanks to this man on the video for bringing me the news in such a reassuring way. I don't like the way he prays but I am sure grateful for his perspective on the book that tells the story. Is this the only non fake news or what???
Wait, so is he saying that the only reason that certain books were left out of the canon is because the selectors "didn't like" what certain books said? What if they personally didn't like the gospel of John, would they have omitted that? Something seems very off.
+adam ropp No, he is saying that the other gospels (Thomas, Peter, etc) are not associated with them during their time. In other words, Matt. Mark Luke and John are all dated in the 1st century. all these other non-canon gospels are way after that.
jj95east Ahh, I see. Thanks for clarifying that. It also seems confusing that he states either here or in a different video that certain pieces were left out of the canon because the stories were too extravagant. Example: Paul escapes a hostile arena by jumping and riding off on a lion. Other stories seem just as extravagant. Any insight from you would be very much appreciated.
The scribes responsible were looking at serous inconsistencies--the most obvious being examples of spurious gospels that portray Jesus as just an ordinary man. There's an intrinsic message that weaves the books, both old and new testaments, together. This can be seen by any serious reader who actually does the work and studies the various books. Any book, weather the Bible, or any other book, has an internal consistency in its story or message.
Around the 9:30 mark you'll see that he talks about a book that had content that they DID like, but they rejected. The criteria for discovering inspiration is at least tri-fold, if not more. You cannot take just one of them on their own.
The whole idea of Catholicism is that the church is guided by the holy spirit. In the same way as the early church was in Acts. You don't have to agree with it, but you shouldn't misrepresent it either.
The Gospels were written in Greek, none of the Apostles spoke Greek. It's unlikely that any of the New Testament was written by any Apostle or an associate of an Apostle. The idea that there was a single early church with a unified doctrine is false. There were at least three main groupings, with quite different beliefs. Of course you can believe what you wish, but you are not being presented with the full picture here but a carefully edited version of events.
You don't know much about history, do you? All the apostles spoke Greek. Greek was the Lingua Franca of that time, much like English is today. The Holy Land was for a few centuries before the apostolic age part of the Hellenistic world, having been conquered and colonized by the Seleucid Empire. They enacted a process of radical Hellenization, which was so pervasive and effective that many Jews even laid down their Jewish cultural practices and started living like Greeks. Certainly all of them could speak Greek, for some it was even a first language.
@@PrairiePeony that's not true! The New Testament was originally written in Greek, NOT in Hebrew!! DK you really think the Galatians, Romans and Ephesians understood and read Hebrew? No!! EVERYONE in that region, including the Holy Land, spoke and read Greek, it was the Lingua Franca of the day. Remember Palestine was ruled by the Greek Seleucid Empire for a long time, before the Romans came.
Yet nothing is written about this Jesus during his teenage years till the beginning of his ministry by those who knew him. Kinda strange that there’s not much there during these formative years. He just simply pops up and chooses the men and they simply follow without question. Strange.
I, and many, have had this thought as well. Studying helps to allay many/most of these kinds of reservations. Luke contains more about His childhood such as the story of Jesus leaving His parents for 3 days and, worried, they find Him in the temple. And He says to them, "Didn't you know I'd be in My Father's House?" Children were treated like dirt in those days so why would a child-Jesus wield any kind of influence? Miracles or not, even His disciples had trouble stomaching some of His teachings and "fully" believing in Him as referenced repeatedly by Jesus: "Oh ye of little faith". So a child version of Jesus would not have had the same caliber than that of an adult Jesus His family actually thought Jesus was crazy. James, Jesus' brother, didn't convert until the resurrection. So again, I see no reason for testimony about the life of Jesus as a child to hold any utility at all.
What made it into the Cannon of the old testament was it came from a prophet, Deut 18:17-21 and it had to be backed up by miracles to show it came from God. The office of Apostle is higher than that of a Prophet and they also had miracles to back up the fact they were speaking the word of God. I'm personally not sure why non Apostles made it into the bible but if they are writing orthodox doctrine as a first hand witness then I guess that is also God's word.
I truly appreciate Dan. However, when he says the early Church discovered the Canon, he and most Protestants, don’t see that the early Church was Catholic. The early Church almost immediately established a hierarchy of Deacons and Bishops. And that starting with Clement there was something that started to resemble a Pope. Furthermore, without this authority it would have been almost impossible to call the councils that defined Orthodoxy and repelled the various heresies that emerged in the first few hundred years of the Church. As find it interesting that most Protestants accept the Council of Nicaea but reject the many that followed.
...if the New Testament authorship is "Forged", why is it that the two earliest Gospels are assigned to Mark and Luke, both being rather minor Biblical characters?...When there were dozens of much more impressive Saints that could have been counterfeited...
Overall a great video, but of course the Protestant couldn't help but hate on Catholics even though we had nothing to do with the topic at hand. So, let's discuss what Mr. Wallace had to say. First of all, we would say that the canon of Scripture is an authoritative list of authoritative books. Those aren't mutually exclusive. We view Scripture as authoritative; we just do not think that the Scriptures are the ONLY valid source of authority. We view the Church's Magisterium (teaching authority) and Sacred Tradition as authoritative as well. For clarification, Tradition isn't just a bunch of customs passed down through the ages. Rather, Tradition (capital T is important) are a list of oral teachings Christ taught the Apostles (which was technically everything He taught at first before it was written down) that was not written in the Scriptures, and the last verse of John's Gospel affirms that there were other teachings that were not written down. We call these three infallible sources of authority as the Deposit of Faith, and they all three prove each other and can't exist without one another. Second, I would like to critique his criterion of orthodoxy, particuarly his second criteria. I don't disagree with it necessairly, but I just want to ask a question. If this was the criteria the Church used when compiling the canon, how did we compile the Gospels? Surely you're not suggesting that the Church authenticated the Gospels using...the Gospels? I don't understand. Maybe someone can clarify? I'm genuinely curious. Third, I would like to ask Mr. Wallace if he had ever heard of the Council of Rome that occured in 382 AD. As far as I'm aware, this is the earliest council that actually had a canon of Scripture clearly defined (which is the exact same canon that is shown at the Council of Trent a century and a half later, with the deuterocanonical books). I mean, it's a pretty bold statement to say that there was no council that put the canon together. I also think it's interesting that this whole video is Mr. Wallace saying the Church put the canon together, yet he had to make it a point that there isn't an authority higher about the Scripture (other than Christ, obviously), which we would agree as Catholics. We would just say that Scripture has as much authority as the Church and they MUST never conflict. If anything, the Catechism implies that Scripture has more authority than the Church, as the Church is to be in the service of the Scriptures. Lastly, we, as Catholics, definitely agree the Spirit guided the Church in discovering the canon. We do disagree with the idea that the Church made the books of the New Testament Scripture; they were Scripture from the moment they were written. But that doesn't at all negate the authority the Church had and still continues to have. The Spirit in His infinite Knowledge gave the Church the oral Tradition given to the Apostles by the Son, and this Tradition was essential in discovering what books were Scripture. Despite these comments, this was a really good video. It's important to remember that you may disagree with us theologically, but we are still your siblings in Christ. We have the exact same God (the Holy Trinity), the same baptism, and the same faith in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Messiah. And, interestingly enough, we have the same New Testament. God bless.
He’s just lying when he says there wasn’t a Church council that determined the canon of scripture. He also implicitly accepts the authority of the early Church
MANY years ago, I rode my bike miles to ASU (Tempe, AZ) to take a class on the Bible NT. The syllabus began with several classes introduced by the Gospel of Thomas. After the first class and a review of the class syllabus, I withdrew from the class and semester. As a new Christian, I had looked forward to expanding my knowledge of the Bible. What a disappointment!!! And to think that this was the single exposure to Christianity offered to young students at a major tax-funded Arizona university!
This may be because of the Gospel of Thomas. It was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) that women will form the majority of the people of Hell. It was narrated from ‘Imran ibn Husayn that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “I looked into Paradise and I saw that the majority of its people were the poor. And I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 3241; Muslim, 2737)
- I'm ignoring the fact that this was posted in 2012, for the record - According to tradition, Mark was the interpreter of Peter. He - I suspect - wrote the sayings and the oral tradition from Peter and the Early Christians, probably motivated by the martyrdom of Peter.
@@oscarin13 Mark was a disciple /follower of Jesus who was known as John Mark. Paul mentions him in 2 Timothy 4:11. Luke mentions him in Acts 12:12. He could have acted as a scribe for Peter
The Catholic Church is the one that judges which books are canonical or authentic based on several reasons, or set of rules called the passing criterion. The church is guided by the Holy Spirit. A book that doesn't go into the canon because it failed even one of the required rule of the passing criterion.
Jesus Castanares amen PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8
You think that refers to the canon? What about other Christian church canons? What if you grew up in Ethiopia? Enoch and Jubilees are part of the canon
You mean after a council of people decided what should and shouldn’t be put into this infallible Bible…? That’s rich. There are plenty of errors in the Bible. If God wanted to accomplish the goal of bringing the most people to him, he wouldn’t have made his “error-free Word” so convoluted
Anyone who knows the historical Christian society knows that the Cannon is a progression of books removed, books added, books removed and yes; books added, over a 300 year period. It was the hope in doing this that the church as a whole would have something they could teach to the people as a basic way of worship and lifestyle. Unbeknownst to the church (s) it didn't work the way they hoped; as we see today, people coming up with ways to discredit the Holy Bible. Is it possible that the Holy Bible is compromised? Absolutely! Does it take away who Jesus Christ is ? Absolutely not! People will always try to make a name for themselves and yes even at the cost of discrediting GOD as Christians understand GOD. Does that make these type of people evil? No! It only reminds us that we are human: fallible, self centered and egocentric, but also loving, kind, respectful and willing to help the less fortunate. GOD loves us all despite our Idiocracy.
I would have to disagree with some of Dr Wallace’s assessments of the ancient church and they they “discovered” the canon. This is simply not the testament of the early church and church fathers. What we know is that the Early Church operated with the guidance of the Holy Spirit and without a canon of scripture for many centuries. What this shows us is that the Sola scripture doctrine wasn’t a doctrine they even would have known for their theology and life of the church was living and breathing through tradition. It was the church the ended up solidifying the canon because it’s out of Tradition-the life of the Church, The apostles teachings passed down orally and kept by the Saints. So the Church created the Canon by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Scholars like Jaroslav Pelikan have also said this.
To say that Scripture is not, or hardly, necessary because the church functioned without the entirety of the Canon early on is not a sufficient argument. 1. The church did have both writings and the oral Word of God early on. Early church fathers reference Scripture as early as 120 AD and books in the New Testament quote one another. 2. God affirms that all Scripture is inspired (2Tim 3:16) and the Bereans are called noble by Paul in Acts 17 for checking what he said by the Scriptures. Otherwise we may as well toss out Galatians 1 where Paul says those who oppose his gospel are to be cursed. How would we know Paul’s gospel without his writing? 3. I certainly agree with you that the early church, and today’s true church for that matter, is led by the Holy Spirit, but it is important to note that the Holy Spirit speaks through the written Word of God.
I think all he's trying to do is infer reasonable corroborating because you can't always effectively witness without explaining the natural process of the Bible being put together. We as believers know the Spirit was involved but the unbelievers need a little more detail
08:00 This statement doesn't make sense. What's the difference? The bottom line is - Church fathers decided the canon. Sure, they may have been inspired to do so. Reason more to believe those church Fathers with everything else and accept the Church tradition too.
Glypt0d0n PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8
@@underwaves75 Thank you for your reply. In return, I recommend you learning about Church history, reading early Church fathers, and afterwards reading Church fathers and saints in general.
With the terrible, evil, dark & murderous history of what we call the catholic church, it's best not to refer to Christianity with catholsism. The RCC is the most diabolical thing there is
The correct canon of the word of god is: Neon genesis evangelion;;; gurren lagann;; FLCL Clannad;; Clannad afterstory;; madoka magica ;;steins gate ;;konosuba ;;re zero And the deuterocanon apachrypha is: Serial experiment lain; martian successor nadesco;; full metal alchemist brotherhood;; higurasi no naku koro ni;; & attack on titan
I think its embarrassing to tell my child < oh i met ur mom on the street > no that doesn't sound respectful i rather say we met on Facebook or some Kind of indoor arrangement because females should be respected
Poor guy falls flat on his face 6 minutes in. He goes right into deceit by denying the authority that determined the Canon and even flys against the face of historical fact by denying the Councils of Rome, Hippo and Carthage, which, by 398, finally defined for all time the 27 book canon. His argument in itself is contradictory and incoherent, because he attempts to say the books themselves are the authority that somehow canonized themselves. It's this exact arbitrary line of thinking that gives life to the modern gnostic push for false Gospels. The fact is, despite this man's contorted representation of the early Church on the Canon, all Christians who revere the New Testament owe the Church and specifically the Popes of those councils for their loyal work in the Holy Spirit to define what is true and what isn't. They were the apostolic authority, not this man.
At one point it was mentioned the church did NOT determine the what should be in the canon but merely discovered what was in the canon. I have to agree that it implies the bible "miraculously" canonized itself and the church just recognised it. Forgive me for asking but is this not just a "play" on words? If another religion used this kind of rationale for their sacred books I can see christians coining down on their arguements and dismissing it as foolish but its ok when christain can use this kind of logic
Oh well as the Bible says let every man be persuaded in his own mind. Im happ to follow the good ole KJV and I'm persuaded it's the one and only word of God.
The NT was originally in Aramaic, not Greek. For the NT, the KJV used Greek mss., and has translation errors present in basically all NTs translated from Greek. Accurate translations of the original Aramaic remove several mistranslations present in Greek mss. To illustrate: 1) Matthew 1:17 says there are 14, 14, 14 generations. Greek manuscripts of Matthew’s genealogy list 14, 14, 13 generations. In Aramaic mss. of Matthew’s genealogy, with Mt 1:16’s “gbra” translated as father/guardian, Matthew’s genealogy lists 14, 14, 14 generations. Mary had a father/guardian named Joseph (plus a husband also called Joseph). 2) Do you think Jesus and his disciples visited the house of a leper? The Greek translation from Aramaic has leper at Mt 26:6 and Mk 14:3, while the Aramaic allows for potter. Lepers were unclean and weren't allowed to have guests over. It's actually Simon the _potter_. 3) For Mt 7:6, it's actually 'hang earrings on dogs,' not 'give a holy thing to dogs.' 4) Greek mss. embarrassingly have Jesus liable to the fire of Gehenna. Compare Mt 5:22 and Mt 23:17 in the Greek.
@@davidford15 David, The New Testament, because of a wide audience of different peoples with different languages, was written in Greek, a universal language at the time. However, it is known that Mathew was written in Hebrew.
"Mathew was written in Hebrew" How'd you come to that conclusion? What language(s) did Jesus and his disciples: speak in? write in? Accurate translations of the original Aramaic of the New Testament remove several mistranslations present in Greek mss. To illustrate: 1) Matthew 1:17 says there are 14, 14, 14 generations. Greek manuscripts of Matthew’s genealogy list 14, 14, 13 generations. In Aramaic mss. of Matthew’s genealogy, with Mt 1:16’s “gbra” translated as father/guardian, Matthew’s genealogy lists 14, 14, 14 generations. Mary had a father/guardian named Joseph (plus a husband also called Joseph). 2) Do you think Jesus and his disciples visited the house of a leper? The Greek translation from Aramaic has leper at Mt 26:6 and Mk 14:3, while the Aramaic allows for potter. Lepers were unclean and weren't allowed to have guests over. It's actually Simon the _potter_. 3) For Mt 7:6, it's actually 'hang earrings on dogs,' not 'give a holy thing to dogs.' 4) Greek mss. embarrassingly have Jesus liable to the fire of Gehenna. Compare Mt 5:22 and Mt 23:17 in the Greek.
23:45 - I'm having difficulty with what he said about Paul and and baptised lion. It is completely different from what is actually written in the 'Acts of Paul'. Anyone may post it here and so let's see that for ourselves.
corkystorky PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8
@@underwaves75 Of course wrong doctrine would lead people to doing things contrary to God's will and still think it is God's will, thinking they're doing the right thing. The Word is here to guide us to the truth, to what is right.. that's all that matters for us humans since sin entered the world through Adam we would be guilty of sin and suffer its consequences. I don't care much about the king james whatever version that is because I look at the ancient texts even before the translators of the kjv were born. I can read greek so I can see where the argument is coming from. The thing about kjv is that it included a mistake in the scriptures which was unconsciously accepted as correct but the discovery of the mistake made the kjv incredible in terms of claims that it is inerrant in translation - the problem is the source itself not the translation, I mean if your faithfully copying a misspelled name, we could trust the sincerity of copying but looking at the copy and it's wrong, the copier must humbly accept he made a mistake - the mistake the kjv-ers don't want to do. As christians we just want to see we are united in what we believe, but if kjv-ers don't want to admit because they think they would lose the sales of the kjv in the stores... it's business, there's money in selling books that's the problem. I would know if you want to know the truth as you claim, if you want to know the mistake in the kjv I'm talking about, otherwise, thanks for the long reply at least you tried however my position is clear regarding kjv.
@@corkystorky why do you have to make the kjv debate about money? Don't misrepresent the intentions pf those who just don't trust anything that's not coming from the textus receptus, they don't do it for the money.
What he has is conjecture of how the canon was chosen. According to tradition the Apostolic fathers recognized the books as the ones past down. When you read the church fathers even in the 1st century they never talk about non-canonical texts as scripture. He misses the point as to why canon is Apostolic. Now folks that is history for you not a made up baptist one.
Huh? How is that your takeaway? God and the apostles produced the cannon. The early church recognized, circulated, and copied the cannon. 300 years later, the catholic church officially accepted the cannon that had already been agreed upon since the beginning. Many centuries later, the catholic church added the apocrypha to the cannon.
do you believe in other apocrypha books like jubilees,maccabees,judith,esdras,tobith etc. is it canon is it considered as a scripture is it acceptable to use this books in preaching as a scripture or doctrine is it written by the apostle do the Jewish people use it...if not can you give me specific reason or reference that it's not canon or anything ...thank you for answering
because on the resource the jews don't have or use apocrypha books like jubilees on their scriptures and its not on the kjv bible one of the preacher that i know don't use them also but now his using it in preaching and i don't know if its right or wrong because in the new testament they didn't mention any of those apocrypha books unlike the old testament they were mentioned in new testament like the book of jonah,job,Ezekiel etc. but the apocrypha books were never mentioned and it makes me curious and confuse
Check out the channel nathanh83. Actually the original kjv had the apocrypha in it and Jesus and the apostles did quote from some of the apocryphal books. We actually have books in the canon today that were never quoted in the NT. We have early church writings, the greek septuagint, Dead Sea scrolls that show those books belong. And just because the Jews reject some books doesn't mean anything, since they also reject isaiah 53, and they rejected their Messiah. But I think if you check out Nathan's channel you'll find some clarity there, he has some videos but there's more on his community tab. Also theirs a book called "rebooting the bible" that might help.
He totally lost my attention once he said "The early church didn't determine which books went into the canon, it 'discovered' what was the canon". Boo. "Intrinsic authority"... Something ONLY a person that wants to defend canon against other options... even though that canon has changed over time. Again: Boo. Done. Nothing of value to see here.
in one of his speaches Dan said that scribes did corrupt the text,text id does have variations,yes there is a lot manuscripts but they do not have original nor they know what original said.So basically today's Bible is corrupted revelation.Thank you.Some were saying on this for years,but after Ehrman and some other guys books on Textual criticism and hard core christians are accepting that as a fact.
atomac23 I'm considering reporting you for being a complete banana head. By what rule of logic do we need the autographa to know with relative certainty that what we find in our Bibles is in all points veritably consistent with the original manuscript? A simple reading of the Church Fathers would confirm that the Jesus written of in the Gospels is in all essentials the Jesus attested to by the Fathers of the early Church who themselves were students of the Apostles of Christ. That is to say the Church Fathers are a separate source outside the New Testament which give us a window thru which we can see that the history, and doctrine as recorded in scripture accurately depicts the consciousness of the early Church
then go and talk to Dan Wallace. He admitted that original is hidden in manuscripts,some 5 million pages and had to be discovered. Even though majority of biblical scientist agree that there is no point of talking about original, because it is lost permanently.I hope that you listen when these guys are talking, and not only come expecting to hear what you think is true.His opening statement and joke about celebrate and celebate , missing letter R in oldest manuscripts leads to that. Were early Christians making up stories about Jesus. Yes.Proof. Apocryphal Gospels,with stories like walking cross, Jesus tall the heavens, even though contain Jesus saying were excluded from Bible.One of the examples.
21:10 ... lol man i love Dan Wallace, but i really wish i was in the crowd to point out an issue with this statement...he makes it seem as if women are respected in the new testament as if that verse in the Gospel of Thomas is "absurd" when in fact, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 says, "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." - and before I ever read the Gospel of Thomas, this verse in Corithians always stuck out to me as a FALSE teaching. So i would LOVE to hear his rebuttal to that...Gospel of Thomas seems to be as cannon as the other 4 gospels !!
This is hierarchy and respect God over Man - Man over Woman - Woman over Child God Dies for all - Man Dies for Woman & Child - Woman dies for Child. When Jesus taught, the disciples were silent they waited until being alone with Jesus to inquire what they did not understand, it was not until Jesus departed that they became teachers. What is being asked of Woman is nothing but to follow order and give respect and that same respect men are to give to God.
@@hiddenrambo328 i don't believe in that "hierarchy"... it's God first, then Yeshua, then parents EQUALLY ...mother and father is yin and yang, what the father may not grasp perhaps the mother would and can relay the message the way she knows her husband will understand it, and vice versa. Then together they raise and die for their children, equally. To say "its a disgrace" for women to speak or inquire in church is merely tradition in a male dominated world...just another form of division. I don't agree. - the bible often overlooks women in favor of men, is the Bible wrong? No. Not comfortable saying that 100%, but our understanding of God's word def needs an upgrade... i wonder what Arius thought about this subject... ***remember, the Bible was kept away from the public and only accessible to priests until the 1800s!! thats not that long ago...
@@Airic I will just ask that you consider this about the Hierarchy since I may have failed to explain sufficiently. God > Man > Woman > Child God teaches all, Man teaches Woman & Child Woman teaches Child Jesus is God = God died for all people. When a intruder breaks into a house the husband is the first line of defence Man = Dies for woman and Child The intruder ends the husband the wife is now the defender. Woman = Dies for Child Alternatively the woman could collect the child and run knowing the Husband is willing to die for their survival. This is the order or "hierarchy" of things even outside the bible. Talking while someone is teaching is rude or a "disgrace". The husband and wife would sit on opposite sides like at a wedding one side for group A) other side for group B) so for the woman to ask her husband a question she would either have to call out and talk across people or get up and walk to him which is not acceptable today even in places like a movie theatre as it distracts, even quiet talking is frowned on. (The men also followed these same rules with Jesus they were silent and waited until private to ask things and to interrupt would have been a "disgrace" the word used in the Greek is aischros meaning shameful, dishonourable. So these rules for women isn't asking anything the men weren't themselves willing to do.) This order is a line of succession, If God is not around Man is in control. If Man is not around Woman in in control. If Man & Woman is not around Child is in control. We See this with modern households even today. There is co-parenting as both have Authority over the Child but the man is over the woman and God is over the man but this doesn't mean you can mistreat those beneath you as you must treat them as God treats you and God listens & grants fair requests he also sacrificed & died for us (This is the model of how to treat those beneath you in this order) but God also expects that we will obey fair requests there is give and take there is equality but there is still a hierarchy an order to things. (The above is in Ephesians 5:21-30) I hope I explained it better this time and hope it helps in some way.
A 'graduate of DTT???? I'd be surprised if they haven't disowned Wallace! Re the Gnostic texts, If I were Lucifer, I would have done exactly what occurred. Sow the tares in with the good seed! Exactly what Yashua prophesied!
Dancing goat children are to crazy but parting the sea is ok and changing water to wine are sensible. Killing one child for running into him is to cruel but plagues, floods, razed cities, not to extreme. Sarah did fear god when she laughed if i remember right.
parting the sea to save his people, changing water into wine to show who He is without hurting anyone plagues, flood, razed cities, to save humanity from a extreme state of cruelty and start again with a chosen people, that is to give a second chance to humanity all of that is to show grace to the human being dancing goat children and killing a child for running into him really portrays an egotistic person and not the loving Jesus that we know in the Bible
My problem with this is ... what would we expect from a man made canon... centuries of councils, debates blah blah blah.. what would i expect if God made the canon, one of the 12 went on a mountain and God wrote the list of books with his own finger... we made the canon not God.. we had good criteria.. but we still made it.. not God.
Your problem, as you call it, seems to be one of viewpoint. If you see Christianity as a "book following cult" then yes you're quite right. This is not the Orthodox view though. Jesus did not leave us a book. The Evangelism narrative always reaches its climax at the resurrection and they omit to tell you that after the resurrection Jesus spent 40 days meeting daily with the apostles setting up His Church. Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church. This is where Protestants in general go wrong. If you deny the authority of the Apostolic Church that Jesus set up Himself then you have no anchoring point. What happens when you don't have an anchoring point? You drift away. The New Testament is not a product of man, the Canon is not the product of man. They are the product of the Church. So Protestants (as good Christians as they might be, I'm not attacking them at all) find themselves in this position where they have to perform some really tricky gymnastics to deny the authority of the Church and accept the authority of its products. Orthodox like myself don't have this issue. We accept the authority of the Church and its Apostolic Tradition, of which the new testament and the canonicity of the new testament and the Christian Creed are all parts of one whole. It is a sad reality that the Church did not remain whole and that the splintering started way before Protestants came on to the scene but still there is no reason, from a Christian point of view, to doubt the authority of the pre-schizm Church. I hope this helps offer you a different viewpoint.
So basically you want God to disregard human free will in order to follow Him. God writing Torah Himself? And it has to be preserved to this day, the original extraterrestrial God written tablet of Moses... What do you think would happen? If it could be proven this was not of man, than you would have no choice but to believe. That is not a relationship, that is slavery. And it would elevate the priest-class to the highest status in human society to give interpretation for these texts...not ideal in any circumstance.. But now, you can chose not to believe in God and believe in anything but God. Like the nihilism that results from atheism and the following devaluation of human existence. History showed us this. A prerequisite for love is freedom.
Nigel Naicker As to your suggestion That sounds more simple but we would simply not have the refinement that we havr. If scripture is inspired then the canon process also has to be inspired. Just letting man do completely what he wants after God inspired His Eord is nothing more than open theism ..
So; Did the ancient church muzzle the Canon? That's not the right question. The question should be; Did they change the wordingin the text during the process of copying the manuscripts so that the Canon would agree with their theology? The answer is yes. Example: 1st John 5:7-8 in the 4th century Codex Sinaiticus reads; "...the spirit, the word, and the blood and these three agree." In the 16th century version created by Erasmus, the same verse reads"...the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and these tree are one". There has been a change in this passage that didn't mention the trinity originally to wording that does. The ancient church didn't muzzle the Canon. They changed it to reflect the beliefs they already had.
If you had thousands of manuscripts, one or two disagree, the rest agree. Do you throw away the thousands, or the two that disagree with them. That is the situation we have.
In the 16th century the Catholic church produced the trinitarian text and gave it to Erasmus to include in his version of the NT. The original text is reflected by the 4th century Codex Sinaiticus which has "the spirit, the water, and the blood." instead of "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit." The Sinaiticus version is early and that is why it is accepted as original by modern scholars. The thousands of manuscripts that have "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit." reading are not early and so are not accepted as original. They are all from the 9th century or later and were created during the copying process in order to reinforce the Church's teaching of the trinity doctrine.
The two that disagree with the thousands are early(4th century or earlier), and the thousands are 9th century or later copies of copies that were changed in order to reinforce Catholic doctrine. If a version of scripture is early, it is more likely the original or close to the original reading than a version which is late.
The Trinity doctrine is not based on a single verse, it's a revelation received by taking the Bible accurately and consistently. The doctrine does not rest on a single verse, but Christians still have affirmation of the Trinity because the evidence from scripture is too great to reject the doctrine. Interestingly, 16th century is not "ancient church", so your entire argument falls moot. Even more interestingly, the only type of people that consistently try to create translations with many serious, inaccurate, heretical and obvious Theological bias is JWs, a cultic group.
Christian apologists can't use 1st John 5 to bolster the doctrine of the trinity. That's all. As for the 16th century not being ancient, I agree. What I should have wrote was that the Codex Sinaiticus version of 1st John 5 is ancient, and so modern scholars must consider it when determining the more original text.
So the proof for the canonicity of the Bible is simple faith. Faith that God guided it. Faith that the opinions and choices of the early church fathers was correct. This doesn't wash from a logical point of view.
Lucius Zedaker It is not a logically sound argument. It is a faith based argument with logic used to provide support for it. You can easily use the same process to disprove it.
vicachcoup Huh? All hypotheses are "faith-based."in that sense. The God hypothesis has logical as well as empirical support, If you want to claim that evolution is the equivalent alternative to God, you are making a statement of faith, not science. But go for it. You would not be the first. Any logical or empirical reason to equate evolution (or whatever) with God?
I have a Syriac Bible, and it has no extra books. On the other hand, the Ethiopian Bible has more stuff in it then even the Catholics tossed into theirs- but still lacks the "lost scriptures."
What if god turned me in to stone on the corner of 19th and slot would you Remove me ? Spouse i was crossing the street then he just said let him b stone like Buddha when he Rebeld against his Lord because yes budda was the best Chinese ever lived but then he upset his god thru stages of Rebellion and finally god told him become stone because you're stubborn person
so Jesus or Iesous was knocked over by another batty kid and Jesus is supposedly to be in human form, and in human kid form with human traits but has the power of a God, and turning a kid to stone isn't something that a kid would do if he could, God turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt, and commanded Israelites to kill every living creature in Cannon. he turned mud birds into real birds too.
For being made 11 years ago this video is in really high quality
Same at 12 years ago! Still excellent quality. Hello from the future.
Very good video for apologetics. Dr. Wallace is among one of many great scholars who believe in the inspiration of Scripture. Jesus said, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” John 10:27
Behold His Glory PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God.
Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth."
Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18
And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches.
And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures.
And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf
And Jesus Christ is calling His people out.
Rev 18:4
“And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:”
The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you.
1 John 2:27
“But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact.
There is still an every word testimony with us!
The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on.
It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it!
th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html
The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out.
th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html
I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before.
I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed.
This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon.
The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it.
(it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on.
th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos
here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer"
th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html
"(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.”
It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either.
This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on.
If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying.
freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.”
Matt 10:8
Very good work 👍👍
@@underwaves75 Hi there, I just read your comment. Where can I buy this Bible ? I am trying to learn the word of God, so I want to make sure I am reading the right Bible. Thank you ! PS I want to watch these films you mentioned as well.
You eat murderous McDonald's Perdue and Tyson and won't get a free pass from Jesus.
I appreciate Doctor Wallace's willingness to be HONEST about tough questions-what we have and what we do not have. Some Christian Apologists are too cutthroat & inflexible. I myself am a Christian and am convinced of it all, but that doesn't mean I can shut my mind off, not answer critiques/tough questions, and ignore the world. In fact, I believe my faith has any validity (which I of course do) then I have to trust that it can stand up to scrutiny. I have to give it that chance and to use the brain that God has given me.
Ryan D. Hammond a further challenge
PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God.
Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth."
Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18
And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches.
And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures.
And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf
And Jesus Christ is calling His people out.
Rev 18:4
“And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:”
The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you.
1 John 2:27
“But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact.
There is still an every word testimony with us!
The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on.
It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it!
th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html
The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out.
th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html
I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before.
I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed.
This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon.
The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it.
(it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on.
th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos
here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer"
th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html
"(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.”
It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either.
This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on.
If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying.
freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.”
Matt 10:8
Amen…..for if Jesus did not rise up then we are surely to be pitied
Well-said sir.
Love to my fellow Christians. I'm glad to see people studying.
Love to you too
The total dearth of text critical understanding in these comments is mind boggling. I absolutely love Daniel Wallace's Greek Grammar.
In a day and age when the Bible has come under attack like at no other time in History that I'm aware of coupled with a time when it has never been more important for Christians (and all people for that matter) to know WHY they believe what they believe, I thank God for Dan Wallace, his work at CSNTM, his ministry, and his edifying The Body.
Rightly or wrongly it is no longer good enough to say "The Bible says so," I do NOT agree with Andy Stanley and his false teachings that Christians must stop saying "the Bible says" because as ambassadors to the Lord Jesus Christ we must NEVER stop saying "God says". But, that said, we MUST also ALWAYS be prepared to explain WHY the Bible is the Word of God and therefore the Authority by which one should govern the faith and daily life,.
I'm always blessed by Bro. Dan Wallace.
Interesting that Dr. Wallace makes very clear at the start that the Catholic Church is wrong: no earthly authority picked or discarded any books to come up with the modern canon. Yet, a few minutes later, he discusses various apocryphal books while repeatedly saying "they threw that one out," and "they rejected that."
WHO is THEY, if not an authoritative early church, that asserted it had the authority to set the canon, judge orthodox doctrine and many other things?
Think abut it.
@Douglas J Understand the context. The canon was created by the apostles themselves. But when we go to the apocrypha, was men with no authority that add them as scripture, so “they” the true church of God during time threw them out because that was not from the apostles’ canon.
@@thomasglass9491 Thanks for your reply.
Are you suggesting the apostles determined the canon after they died? Most agree all the apostles were dead by 90 or 100 AD. The canon was not settled for many years after that.
Peace.
@Douglas J After they die, absolutely not. But Yes, during when they were alive. We have evidence that every single book of the NT were written before 70AD.
Paul, in his letters call the gospel of Luke scripture. Peter call Paul’s letters scripture. They knew immediately after writing that their work was scripture. They had the power and inspiration to write and established the canon. The Church doesn’t have the power to write neither to established the canon.
@@douglasj2254 The Apostle John had the complete canon at the time of his death. All of Ezra's 22 books of the old Testament and 27 of the New Testament. 22+27 = 49(7x7). God's Spirit completed the canon.
@@thomasglass9491 I mean, do you have any scholarly sources for that? Most historians agree that the canon was put together post-Council of Nicaea, either at the Council of Rome or Carthage in the late fourth century. And I would disagree on the notion that the Church doesn't have the power to establish a canon. Even Mr. Wallace would disagree with you, given his video. If the Church are led by valid apostolic successors, why wouldn't they have that power?
Apostolicity
Catholicity
Orthodoxy
I have remembered this for apologetics for years now, I learned this from Daniel Wallace in “The God who speaks” docu in 18’
If anyone hasn’t watched that yet it’s a great docu! Amazon Prime I believe
Amazing speach, amazing knowledge. Awesome work. Thank you sir!
Lask Greek George this is wisdom
PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God.
Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth."
Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18
And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches.
And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures.
And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf
And Jesus Christ is calling His people out.
Rev 18:4
“And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:”
The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you.
1 John 2:27
“But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact.
There is still an every word testimony with us!
The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on.
It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it!
th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html
The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out.
th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html
I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before.
I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed.
This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon.
The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it.
(it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on.
th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos
here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer"
th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html
"(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.”
It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either.
This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on.
If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying.
freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.”
Matt 10:8
@Mike Scarborough Stop going on and one with each person using your copy and paste message dude, anyone whose read this comments section knows you just keep repeating yourself! Give it a rest! You write using U instead of V's as if the world is still in 1611, that shows a bit of an obsession dude!
Listen to this clip about the KJV and others, and understand why your 1611-kjv-only-ism may not serve you entirely well!
Dan Wallace says he will use 5 different Bibles.. for different reasons..
At first I was resistant because I like and prefer KJV, and was a bit into only-ism myself!
Listen right through, even if offended to start with, you'll understand why by the end..
If you make it through the video I'm pretty sure you'll be better equipped to help others afterwards.. I believe you'll be quite relieved actually..
th-cam.com/video/ZjSBnZSa1oQ/w-d-xo.html
By the way, one of the Bible's in his list of 5 which he uses side by side each other.. is KJV
So persevere with the video and you'll be glad you did..
At around 6:45 he may be implying that Catholicism believes in something higher than the scriptures, like the Church or the Church council. Why not say the Church just interprets what is in the canon but isn’t higher than the scriptures? He would be committing a fallacy of non sequitur.
By the way, there is such a council that taught an authoritative list of canon authoritative. That is the Catholic Council of Rome, led by Pope Damasus I. And it is the Catholic 73-book canon.
By the way, Eastern Catholicism is a thing so his distinction between “Catholicism” and “Roman Catholicism” can be clarified more.
Thank You Dan! And, Amen! To your prayer! ✝️🕊️
Thank you for the video. I’ve been a believer for over 30 years now; prior to that I was raised a Mormon.
Bible study has been the most interesting study of my life & is like beautifully woven tapestry. I particularly enjoy Biblical types, antitypes, shadows, and allusions that point to Christ, along with how Jesus and the disciples quote from the Old Testament. A good commentary is sometimes necessary to stay of track.
It’s easy to see why it has taken some theologians their entire lives to find the treasures within it. We have what we need to understand the way to everlasting life through putting our trust in Him, and until that great day trusting God to refine and sanctify us.
In Christ Jesus, 🕊
Stacy
I so appreciate Dr Wallace's research and scholarship. I had never heard the story of the lion's "baptism", but a quick Google search turned up an interesting PDF file on it, and the controversy surrounding it. According to the story this lion was 12 cubits high! I'll finish reading it later (it's several pages long) for no reason other than cheap, commercial-free entertainment.
Thanks to Dr Wallace and the uploader of this video!
Betsy Ross PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God.
Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth."
Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18
And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches.
And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures.
And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf
And Jesus Christ is calling His people out.
Rev 18:4
“And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:”
The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you.
1 John 2:27
“But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact.
There is still an every word testimony with us!
The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on.
It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it!
th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html
The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out.
th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html
I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before.
I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed.
This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon.
The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it.
(it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on.
th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos
here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer"
th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html
"(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.”
It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either.
This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on.
If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying.
freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.”
Matt 10:8
@@underwaves75 _YAWN_ Sorry, I don't read pamphlet length comments so your effort was wasted on me.
6:34
9:07
12:45
20:40
23:34
24:33 early Fathers good argument for me
(2:07, 3:58, 4:28, 5:02, 9:15, 9:44, 10:11, 10:33, 13:27, 13:48, 14:44, 16:24, 16:28, 17:57, 21:45, 23:35, 24:33)
08:01 "Therefore the Spirit of God guided the church in these decisions in conformity with who Jesus Christ is". This is what most Christians believe (me included) but recently I have been asking where did this particular teaching come from. Did God say His spirit guided the churches into the canon we have? The scriptures themselves were written before the canon was agreed upon so it doesn't say much about the canon. But where did this idea come from initially with regards to the New Testament canon we currently use.
That's the authority of the Church you're referring too. The Church had the authority to say "we need to create a canon."
And this is when you become Catholic because you realize there must’ve been an authoritative church that determined canon
It's not a "teaching" it's an observation. It happened organically. Wallace said in this video something to the effect of "they were the sort of books that no one could keep from getting into the NT - they have the "ring of truth" in them."
I find it telling that the greatest and most accredited and published Christian academics ever are/were NOT Roman Catholic. Bruce Metzger is a notable example.
@@zacharyevans8152 accredited academics? Who cares? Read the Church fathers, ALL of them are Catholic
Thanks for posting this v interesting video. Kind of tragic about Bart Ehrman losing his faith - it confirmed what I thought of him, without actually ever hearing him say " I don't believe a word of this"
Is not that he “lost” his faith, is that he never had it. He claimed to be a Christian, but he never was one. God never revealed himself to him. Because if he was a truly a Christian, the Holy Spirit would be the seal of his salvation.
@@thomasglass9491yup a forgery in human form
Thank you, Dr. Wallace.
Having a living relationship with The Living WORD protects and keeps me in the right Way, i have pitched my tent with Him The Mashiach (Messiah, Christ) and listen only to His soft tender and gentle voice. If i were to be shipwrecked without a Bible my fellowship with the FATHER and The Son Yeshuah(Jesus) would still be alive.
Frank Durant
You say you listen only "to His soft tender and gentile voice" However, Jesus did not always speak in such a fashion, as you must agree. He would often speak in the harshest of voices and exhibit violent behaviour.
@@edwardlongfellow5819 watch out
@@JerzyMi
Watch out for what? Are you issuing a warning or a threat? Are you just being stupid?
This video is a big help, special today when more and more people calling themselves Christian criticise our scripture.
How about The Shepherd of Hermas which was written in first century Rome? Clement of Rome even cited the Shepherd of Hermas and sent it to foreign churches as an inspired book. Many early Christian writers cited The Shepherd of Hermas as inspired scripture.
Also, The Gospel to the Egyptians was cited by Clement of Rome in both 1 and 2 Clement (first century). Clement of Alexandria wrote that this Gospel narrative was still being used by the majority of Christians at the end of the second century and Hippolytus referenced it in the early third century.
Epiphanius was a bishop of Salamis (Cyprus) at the end of the fourth century. Epiphanius wrote that the Gospel to the Egyptians was still extant in the late fourth century.
Epiphanius, Heresy lxii. 2 (Sabellians). Their whole deceit (error) and the strength of it they draw from some apocryphal books, especially from what is called the Egyptian Gospel, to which some have given that name. For in it many such like things are recorded (or attributed) as from the person of the Saviour, said in a corner, purporting that he showed his disciples that the same person was Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Unfortunately, this Gospel has been lost because of its explicit Modalistic Monarchian content. When we look at the prologue of Luke Gospel narrative, we find Luke writing, "Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us..."
Since John's Gospel narrative came later, we know that only Matthew and Mark could have been written before Luke. How can only two Gospels narratives be considered "MANY"? Hence, there had to have been at least another true gospel narrative within the first century (before the Gospel of John) because it takes at least three or four narratives to be considered "many" narratives.
The Shepherd of Hermas was written in the mid second century. It was very highly regarded, but it was never accepted into the Can. The Muratorian Canon speaks highly of it but stops short of treating it as bearing the same authority as the New Testament books precisely because of its mid 2nd century authorship.
I just finished reading the Epistle of Barnabas and I found it in line with the new testament. I enjoyed it.
@@damienbeckett4935 Everyone knows it wasn't accepted into the canon. That's why it's not in the bible...
You babble a lot
Someone may quote from a book not in the canon but that does not mean that any book quoted from belongs to the books accepted for the Bible.
The council of Carthage canonized the 27 books of the NT in AD 397. These books were later reaffirmed by the 5th ecumenical council. Of course this process was guided by the Holy Spirit but it was the Church in council that gave us the NT has we have it today.
"of course"
As an orthodox priest, I could not agree more. There is a flaw on their logic.
I think you should re-watch the video you’ve missed important information.
@Rev. J. Roger Allen But the canon was established before that. Even the Latin Bible of 157AD, had the 27 books of NT.
@@thomasglass9491is there evidence of a whole bible in 157 ad with all the New Testament books? Why didn’t Justin martyr mention it at all?
What a lecture by Mr. Wallace. A clear, pertinent and eloquent defence of the NT canon. Thank you Jesus for men like this pursuing for the truth...Thy Word is truth.
These people that complain here, have not study scripture or history, or even have a clue.
With the amount of Churches embracing unique ideologies nowadays, I wouldn't be surprised to find the Gospel of Thomas being added.
It seems at least obvious to me, as a Christian, that Jesus's Spirit was throughout the centuries at work directing the minds and hands of those responsible for organizing the canon into what is now recognized by the vast majority of Christians as the Old and New Testaments. But of course, this Invisible Hand, working behind the scene, wouldn't be an acceptable way of looking at things if you're an agnostic, skeptic, or an atheist.
r liikanen PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God.
Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth."
Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18
And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches.
And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures.
And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf
And Jesus Christ is calling His people out.
Rev 18:4
“And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:”
The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you.
1 John 2:27
“But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact.
There is still an every word testimony with us!
The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on.
It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it!
th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html
The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out.
th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html
I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before.
I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed.
This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon.
The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it.
(it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on.
th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos
here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer"
th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html
"(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.”
It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either.
This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on.
If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying.
freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.”
Matt 10:8
The early Christians (definitely guided by the Holy Spirit) preserved the canon's integrity by putting even the earliest Bibles in codex form (bound together in book form). Codex protected the Word of God. It kept it from being lost, changed, or added to.
... 1 John 2: 24, "Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."
... Jude 1: 3, "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was ONCE delivered unto the saints."
jannmutube PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God.
Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth."
Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18
And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches.
And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures.
And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf
And Jesus Christ is calling His people out.
Rev 18:4
“And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:”
The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you.
1 John 2:27
“But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact.
There is still an every word testimony with us!
The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on.
It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it!
th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html
The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out.
th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html
I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before.
I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed.
This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon.
The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it.
(it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on.
th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos
here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer"
th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html
"(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.”
It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either.
This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on.
If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying.
freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.”
Matt 10:8
@@underwaves75 ---- > It sounds like your complaint is with some who serve as ministers (Proverbs, 15: 11, Matthew 23: 13). . The Revelation says "the whore sits on many waters". It's not referring to the inspired word of God.
... I hope you will be careful in your language against the King James Bible and other versions. It is the inspired word of God by the Holy Ghost. The KJV teaches the necessary doctrine of faith in Christ to be saved. Religious ideologies like Islam, Mormonism, and Jehovah Witnesses do not.
The Bible doesn't make a claim of perfect preservation, it only says God's words will never pass away.
Matthew 24: 35, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away"
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--- > I think so many different versions can create confusion for some, but the meaning of New Testament versions read the same meaning: the Word of God was made flesh (born of a virgin, the only begotten Son of the Father), he suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, was buried, and rose from the dead on the third day, he will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
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www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%2028:18
There are many partial manuscripts and fragments from the 1st century that were organized into two Bibles. The Alexandrian text is the one used to make so many versions. The KJV comes from Antioch where the Apostles and early church fathers (bishops) were centered.
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How we got the bible. Where it comes from. Only 2 bibles... th-cam.com/video/1Xxjl61DCtI/w-d-xo.html
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---- > The KJV was translated from the original Koine Greek. It was the first translation that made the scriptures available to all people, not just the bishops of the church. I
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If you have a specific objection or question, I will try to answer you about it.
History of The King James Bible: God's Perfect Word th-cam.com/video/eGwwScorP6w/w-d-xo.html
God bless this brilliant man of Yeshua
There's not a single council that says "This is what is Scripture." Except for the coucils that say that, but we don't count those because I want to be correct
I have questioned for a while that Mark is the author of that gospel. Mark was an associate or helper of both Paul and Peter. I think it is far more likely that Peter was inspired to write the gospel of Mark and Mark simply did the writing task as more or less a secretary would for a boss. It makes no sense at all that one of the 4 gospels would not be from one of the main apostles that was clearly one of the closest to Jesus Christ and one of the first apostles to be an eyewitness of the resurrection. The same thing really applies to Luke who is supposedly the author of Luke and Acts. I seriously doubt it, but both books do appear to be from the same author.
this nothing to do with this lecture but I was in Turkey during the cold war, in the late 1950's. His prayer reminds me of the so-called evangelicals of this time, 2018.
Finally, we have the four gospels we use today remain anonymous works. What are the criteria used to determine which are words of Jesus and which are not? What assures us that these documents were written by apostles or their associates?
Same criteria every other mss has for their work. If you apply it to every historical text then you'll probably end up wondering whether you are a fruit or a human.
Scroll back to the start and this time listen.
You have the Spirit of God? Then you can respond that question.
@@NThTwS repent and you'll see you are a son of God...
@Hector Hernandez
What a sham way of deciding truth. In my experience, any time anyone talks about the “Spirit of God” directing their decisions, it coincidentally 99 times out of 100 can be reduced to that person’s projections, this “spirit” is just a convenient external agent that psychologically unaware people think is guiding them
Great vedio!
do we know why they were anonymous? Why wouldn't the writers have their names mentioned right away?
Great point! The 4 were anonymous but had the internal authority whereas the 2nd century gospels had authors names but lacked internal authority and imo were written too far from the events to have any historical value.
I am brought here by my New testament professor
The earliest copies of the gospels we have are from the second century . There are a few enormous contradictions in comparison of the four gospels .
Thanks to this man on the video for bringing me the news in such a reassuring way. I don't like the way he prays but I am sure grateful for his perspective on the book that tells the story. Is this the only non fake news or what???
What are you wbabbling about
Thank you ❤️
Wait, so is he saying that the only reason that certain books were left out of the canon is because the selectors "didn't like" what certain books said? What if they personally didn't like the gospel of John, would they have omitted that? Something seems very off.
+adam ropp No, he is saying that the other gospels (Thomas, Peter, etc) are not associated with them during their time. In other words, Matt. Mark Luke and John are all dated in the 1st century. all these other non-canon gospels are way after that.
jj95east
Ahh, I see. Thanks for clarifying that.
It also seems confusing that he states either here or in a different video that certain pieces were left out of the canon because the stories were too extravagant. Example: Paul escapes a hostile arena by jumping and riding off on a lion.
Other stories seem just as extravagant. Any insight from you would be very much appreciated.
The scribes responsible were looking at serous inconsistencies--the most obvious being examples of spurious gospels that portray Jesus as just an ordinary man. There's an intrinsic message that weaves the books, both old and new testaments, together. This can be seen by any serious reader who actually does the work and studies the various books. Any book, weather the Bible, or any other book, has an internal consistency in its story or message.
Around the 9:30 mark you'll see that he talks about a book that had content that they DID like, but they rejected. The criteria for discovering inspiration is at least tri-fold, if not more. You cannot take just one of them on their own.
quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=1_1&m=hafs&qaree=husary&trans=en_sh
Christians are sincerely seeking God‘s words, but unfortunately they find Men‘s words.
Amazing info!
The whole idea of Catholicism is that the church is guided by the holy spirit. In the same way as the early church was in Acts. You don't have to agree with it, but you shouldn't misrepresent it either.
They sure did. It was for control
The Gospels were written in Greek, none of the Apostles spoke Greek.
It's unlikely that any of the New Testament was written by any Apostle or an associate of an Apostle.
The idea that there was a single early church with a unified doctrine is false. There were at least three main groupings, with quite different beliefs.
Of course you can believe what you wish, but you are not being presented with the full picture here but a carefully edited version of events.
You don't know much about history, do you? All the apostles spoke Greek. Greek was the Lingua Franca of that time, much like English is today. The Holy Land was for a few centuries before the apostolic age part of the Hellenistic world, having been conquered and colonized by the Seleucid Empire. They enacted a process of radical Hellenization, which was so pervasive and effective that many Jews even laid down their Jewish cultural practices and started living like Greeks. Certainly all of them could speak Greek, for some it was even a first language.
Originally written in Hebrew. Translated in Koine Greek. That's a fact biblical scholars are quite aware of.
@@PrairiePeony that's not true! The New Testament was originally written in Greek, NOT in Hebrew!! DK you really think the Galatians, Romans and Ephesians understood and read Hebrew? No!! EVERYONE in that region, including the Holy Land, spoke and read Greek, it was the Lingua Franca of the day. Remember Palestine was ruled by the Greek Seleucid Empire for a long time, before the Romans came.
Yet nothing is written about this Jesus during his teenage years till the beginning of his ministry by those who knew him. Kinda strange that there’s not much there during these formative years. He just simply pops up and chooses the men and they simply follow without question. Strange.
And they think it's strange too in the bible. Is this not the son of the carpenter? They say
I, and many, have had this thought as well. Studying helps to allay many/most of these kinds of reservations.
Luke contains more about His childhood such as the story of Jesus leaving His parents for 3 days and, worried, they find Him in the temple. And He says to them, "Didn't you know I'd be in My Father's House?"
Children were treated like dirt in those days so why would a child-Jesus wield any kind of influence? Miracles or not, even His disciples had trouble stomaching some of His teachings and "fully" believing in Him as referenced repeatedly by Jesus: "Oh ye of little faith".
So a child version of Jesus would not have had the same caliber than that of an adult Jesus His family actually thought Jesus was crazy. James, Jesus' brother, didn't convert until the resurrection.
So again, I see no reason for testimony about the life of Jesus as a child to hold any utility at all.
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What made it into the Cannon of the old testament was it came from a prophet, Deut 18:17-21 and it had to be backed up by miracles to show it came from God. The office of Apostle is higher than that of a Prophet and they also had miracles to back up the fact they were speaking the word of God. I'm personally not sure why non Apostles made it into the bible but if they are writing orthodox doctrine as a first hand witness then I guess that is also God's word.
I truly appreciate Dan. However, when he says the early Church discovered the Canon, he and most Protestants, don’t see that the early Church was Catholic. The early Church almost immediately established a hierarchy of Deacons and Bishops. And that starting with Clement there was something that started to resemble a Pope. Furthermore, without this authority it would have been almost impossible to call the councils that defined Orthodoxy and repelled the various heresies that emerged in the first few hundred years of the Church. As find it interesting that most Protestants accept the Council of Nicaea but reject the many that followed.
...if the New Testament authorship is "Forged", why is it that the two earliest Gospels are assigned to Mark and Luke, both being rather minor Biblical characters?...When there were dozens of much more impressive Saints that could have been counterfeited...
Overall a great video, but of course the Protestant couldn't help but hate on Catholics even though we had nothing to do with the topic at hand. So, let's discuss what Mr. Wallace had to say.
First of all, we would say that the canon of Scripture is an authoritative list of authoritative books. Those aren't mutually exclusive. We view Scripture as authoritative; we just do not think that the Scriptures are the ONLY valid source of authority. We view the Church's Magisterium (teaching authority) and Sacred Tradition as authoritative as well. For clarification, Tradition isn't just a bunch of customs passed down through the ages. Rather, Tradition (capital T is important) are a list of oral teachings Christ taught the Apostles (which was technically everything He taught at first before it was written down) that was not written in the Scriptures, and the last verse of John's Gospel affirms that there were other teachings that were not written down. We call these three infallible sources of authority as the Deposit of Faith, and they all three prove each other and can't exist without one another.
Second, I would like to critique his criterion of orthodoxy, particuarly his second criteria. I don't disagree with it necessairly, but I just want to ask a question. If this was the criteria the Church used when compiling the canon, how did we compile the Gospels? Surely you're not suggesting that the Church authenticated the Gospels using...the Gospels? I don't understand. Maybe someone can clarify? I'm genuinely curious.
Third, I would like to ask Mr. Wallace if he had ever heard of the Council of Rome that occured in 382 AD. As far as I'm aware, this is the earliest council that actually had a canon of Scripture clearly defined (which is the exact same canon that is shown at the Council of Trent a century and a half later, with the deuterocanonical books). I mean, it's a pretty bold statement to say that there was no council that put the canon together. I also think it's interesting that this whole video is Mr. Wallace saying the Church put the canon together, yet he had to make it a point that there isn't an authority higher about the Scripture (other than Christ, obviously), which we would agree as Catholics. We would just say that Scripture has as much authority as the Church and they MUST never conflict. If anything, the Catechism implies that Scripture has more authority than the Church, as the Church is to be in the service of the Scriptures.
Lastly, we, as Catholics, definitely agree the Spirit guided the Church in discovering the canon. We do disagree with the idea that the Church made the books of the New Testament Scripture; they were Scripture from the moment they were written. But that doesn't at all negate the authority the Church had and still continues to have. The Spirit in His infinite Knowledge gave the Church the oral Tradition given to the Apostles by the Son, and this Tradition was essential in discovering what books were Scripture.
Despite these comments, this was a really good video. It's important to remember that you may disagree with us theologically, but we are still your siblings in Christ. We have the exact same God (the Holy Trinity), the same baptism, and the same faith in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Messiah. And, interestingly enough, we have the same New Testament. God bless.
So glad my name is Mr Hughes
He’s just lying when he says there wasn’t a Church council that determined the canon of scripture. He also implicitly accepts the authority of the early Church
wow awesome stuff
it sounds strange....we believe X so any document that does not support that premise, is out..
So is the conclusion that the apocrypha are more truthful or?
MANY years ago, I rode my bike miles to ASU (Tempe, AZ) to take a class on the Bible NT. The syllabus began with several classes introduced by the Gospel of Thomas. After the first class and a review of the class syllabus, I withdrew from the class and semester. As a new Christian, I had looked forward to expanding my knowledge of the Bible. What a disappointment!!! And to think that this was the single exposure to Christianity offered to young students at a major tax-funded Arizona university!
This may be because of the Gospel of Thomas. It was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) that women will form the majority of the people of Hell. It was narrated from ‘Imran ibn Husayn that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “I looked into Paradise and I saw that the majority of its people were the poor. And I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.”
(Narrated by al-Bukhari, 3241; Muslim, 2737)
I thought that Justin Martyr did refer to Mark's gospel as Peters.
- I'm ignoring the fact that this was posted in 2012, for the record -
According to tradition, Mark was the interpreter of Peter. He - I suspect - wrote the sayings and the oral tradition from Peter and the Early Christians, probably motivated by the martyrdom of Peter.
@@oscarin13 Mark was a disciple /follower of Jesus who was known as John Mark. Paul mentions him in 2 Timothy 4:11. Luke mentions him in Acts 12:12. He could have acted as a scribe for Peter
The Catholic Church is the one that judges which books are canonical or authentic based on several reasons, or set of rules called the passing criterion.
The church is guided by the Holy Spirit.
A book that doesn't go into the canon because it failed even one of the required rule of the passing criterion.
Exactly!
It is very serious sin, even against the Holy Spirit, to change the text and sense of the Bible.
So the Bible is free of error.
Jesus Castanares amen
PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God.
Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth."
Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18
And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches.
And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures.
And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf
And Jesus Christ is calling His people out.
Rev 18:4
“And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:”
The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you.
1 John 2:27
“But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact.
There is still an every word testimony with us!
The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on.
It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it!
th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html
The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out.
th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html
I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before.
I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed.
This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon.
The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it.
(it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on.
th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos
here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer"
th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html
"(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.”
It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either.
This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on.
If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying.
freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.”
Matt 10:8
@@underwaves75 Babylon in Revelation represents Rome. This is shown by her sitting on seven hills.
You think that refers to the canon? What about other Christian church canons? What if you grew up in Ethiopia? Enoch and Jubilees are part of the canon
You mean after a council of people decided what should and shouldn’t be put into this infallible Bible…? That’s rich. There are plenty of errors in the Bible. If God wanted to accomplish the goal of bringing the most people to him, he wouldn’t have made his “error-free Word” so convoluted
Anyone who knows the historical Christian society knows that the Cannon is a progression of books removed, books added, books removed and yes; books added, over a 300 year period. It was the hope in doing this that the church as a whole would have something they could teach to the people as a basic way of worship and lifestyle. Unbeknownst to the church (s) it didn't work the way they hoped; as we see today, people coming up with ways to discredit the Holy Bible. Is it possible that the Holy Bible is compromised? Absolutely! Does it take away who Jesus Christ is ? Absolutely not! People will always try to make a name for themselves and yes even at the cost of discrediting GOD as Christians understand GOD. Does that make these type of people evil? No! It only reminds us that we are human: fallible, self centered and egocentric, but also loving, kind, respectful and willing to help the less fortunate. GOD loves us all despite our Idiocracy.
I would have to disagree with some of Dr Wallace’s assessments of the ancient church and they they “discovered” the canon. This is simply not the testament of the early church and church fathers. What we know is that the Early Church operated with the guidance of the Holy Spirit and without a canon of scripture for many centuries. What this shows us is that the Sola scripture doctrine wasn’t a doctrine they even would have known for their theology and life of the church was living and breathing through tradition. It was the church the ended up solidifying the canon because it’s out of Tradition-the life of the Church, The apostles teachings passed down orally and kept by the Saints. So the Church created the Canon by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Scholars like Jaroslav Pelikan have also said this.
To say that Scripture is not, or hardly, necessary because the church functioned without the entirety of the Canon early on is not a sufficient argument.
1. The church did have both writings and the oral Word of God early on. Early church fathers reference Scripture as early as 120 AD and books in the New Testament quote one another.
2. God affirms that all Scripture is inspired (2Tim 3:16) and the Bereans are called noble by Paul in Acts 17 for checking what he said by the Scriptures. Otherwise we may as well toss out Galatians 1 where Paul says those who oppose his gospel are to be cursed. How would we know Paul’s gospel without his writing?
3. I certainly agree with you that the early church, and today’s true church for that matter, is led by the Holy Spirit, but it is important to note that the Holy Spirit speaks through the written Word of God.
I think all he's trying to do is infer reasonable corroborating because you can't always effectively witness without explaining the natural process of the Bible being put together. We as believers know the Spirit was involved but the unbelievers need a little more detail
08:00 This statement doesn't make sense. What's the difference? The bottom line is - Church fathers decided the canon. Sure, they may have been inspired to do so. Reason more to believe those church Fathers with everything else and accept the Church tradition too.
Glypt0d0n PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God.
Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth."
Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18
And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches.
And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures.
And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf
And Jesus Christ is calling His people out.
Rev 18:4
“And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:”
The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you.
1 John 2:27
“But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact.
There is still an every word testimony with us!
The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on.
It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it!
th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html
The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out.
th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html
I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before.
I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed.
This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon.
The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it.
(it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on.
th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos
here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer"
th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html
"(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.”
It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either.
This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on.
If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying.
freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.”
Matt 10:8
@@underwaves75 Thank you for your reply. In return, I recommend you learning about Church history, reading early Church fathers, and afterwards reading Church fathers and saints in general.
Huh????
Jesus founded the Catholic Church, he didn't leave us the New Testament, nor the canon of the New Testament.
Exactly 💯 He left us the Church with His Authority.
Man founded the Catholic Church. The first Pope listed after Peter was not until the first or second century. They were apostates to the early church
Catholicism has 0 to do with true Christianity
Jesus didn't found the Catholic church, he founded Christianity. Quite different.
With the terrible, evil, dark & murderous history of what we call the catholic church, it's best not to refer to Christianity with catholsism. The RCC is the most diabolical thing there is
The correct canon of the word of god is:
Neon genesis evangelion;;; gurren lagann;; FLCL Clannad;; Clannad afterstory;; madoka magica ;;steins gate ;;konosuba ;;re zero
And the deuterocanon apachrypha is:
Serial experiment lain; martian successor nadesco;; full metal alchemist brotherhood;; higurasi no naku koro ni;; & attack on titan
I think its embarrassing to tell my child < oh i met ur mom on the street > no that doesn't sound respectful i rather say we met on Facebook or some Kind of indoor arrangement because females should be respected
Poor guy falls flat on his face 6 minutes in.
He goes right into deceit by denying the authority that determined the Canon and even flys against the face of historical fact by denying the Councils of Rome, Hippo and Carthage, which, by 398, finally defined for all time the 27 book canon. His argument in itself is contradictory and incoherent, because he attempts to say the books themselves are the authority that somehow canonized themselves. It's this exact arbitrary line of thinking that gives life to the modern gnostic push for false Gospels.
The fact is, despite this man's contorted representation of the early Church on the Canon, all Christians who revere the New Testament owe the Church and specifically the Popes of those councils for their loyal work in the Holy Spirit to define what is true and what isn't.
They were the apostolic authority, not this man.
disagree with everything you said, Mr. Roman Catholic.
At one point it was mentioned the church did NOT determine the what should be in the canon but merely discovered what was in the canon. I have to agree that it implies the bible "miraculously" canonized itself and the church just recognised it. Forgive me for asking but is this not just a "play" on words? If another religion used this kind of rationale for their sacred books I can see christians coining down on their arguements and dismissing it as foolish but its ok when christain can use this kind of logic
Love it
Oh well as the Bible says let every man be persuaded in his own mind. Im happ to follow the good ole KJV and I'm persuaded it's the one and only word of God.
I use the Codex Sinaiticus. Which is closer to the time of Jesus ?
The NT was originally in Aramaic, not Greek. For the NT, the KJV used Greek mss., and has translation errors present in basically all NTs translated from Greek. Accurate translations of the original Aramaic remove several mistranslations present in Greek mss. To illustrate:
1) Matthew 1:17 says there are 14, 14, 14 generations.
Greek manuscripts of Matthew’s genealogy list 14, 14, 13 generations.
In Aramaic mss. of Matthew’s genealogy, with Mt 1:16’s “gbra” translated as father/guardian, Matthew’s genealogy lists 14, 14, 14 generations.
Mary had a father/guardian named Joseph (plus a husband also called Joseph).
2) Do you think Jesus and his disciples visited the house of a leper? The Greek translation from Aramaic has leper at Mt 26:6 and Mk 14:3, while the Aramaic allows for potter. Lepers were unclean and weren't allowed to have guests over. It's actually Simon the _potter_.
3) For Mt 7:6, it's actually 'hang earrings on dogs,' not 'give a holy thing to dogs.'
4) Greek mss. embarrassingly have Jesus liable to the fire of Gehenna. Compare Mt 5:22 and Mt 23:17 in the Greek.
@@davidford15
David,
The New Testament, because of a wide audience of different peoples with different languages, was written in Greek, a universal language at the time. However, it is known that Mathew was written in Hebrew.
@@DBCisco
The Codex Vaticanus is a bit older.
"Mathew was written in Hebrew" How'd you come to that conclusion? What language(s) did Jesus and his disciples: speak in? write in?
Accurate translations of the original Aramaic of the New Testament remove several mistranslations present in Greek mss. To illustrate:
1) Matthew 1:17 says there are 14, 14, 14 generations.
Greek manuscripts of Matthew’s genealogy list 14, 14, 13 generations.
In Aramaic mss. of Matthew’s genealogy, with Mt 1:16’s “gbra” translated as father/guardian, Matthew’s genealogy lists 14, 14, 14 generations.
Mary had a father/guardian named Joseph (plus a husband also called Joseph).
2) Do you think Jesus and his disciples visited the house of a leper? The Greek translation from Aramaic has leper at Mt 26:6 and Mk 14:3, while the Aramaic allows for potter. Lepers were unclean and weren't allowed to have guests over. It's actually Simon the _potter_.
3) For Mt 7:6, it's actually 'hang earrings on dogs,' not 'give a holy thing to dogs.'
4) Greek mss. embarrassingly have Jesus liable to the fire of Gehenna. Compare Mt 5:22 and Mt 23:17 in the Greek.
23:45 - I'm having difficulty with what he said about Paul and and baptised lion. It is completely different from what is actually written in the 'Acts of Paul'. Anyone may post it here and so let's see that for ourselves.
corkystorky PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God.
Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth."
Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18
And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches.
And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures.
And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf
And Jesus Christ is calling His people out.
Rev 18:4
“And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:”
The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you.
1 John 2:27
“But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact.
There is still an every word testimony with us!
The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on.
It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it!
th-cam.com/video/tAMOquyQu-8/w-d-xo.html
The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out.
th-cam.com/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/w-d-xo.html
I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before.
I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed.
This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon.
The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it.
(it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on.
th-cam.com/channels/IfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg.htmlvideos
here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer"
th-cam.com/video/DuVTlYYos0c/w-d-xo.html
"(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.”
It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either.
This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on.
If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying.
freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.”
Matt 10:8
@@underwaves75 Of course wrong doctrine would lead people to doing things contrary to God's will and still think it is God's will, thinking they're doing the right thing. The Word is here to guide us to the truth, to what is right.. that's all that matters for us humans since sin entered the world through Adam we would be guilty of sin and suffer its consequences. I don't care much about the king james whatever version that is because I look at the ancient texts even before the translators of the kjv were born. I can read greek so I can see where the argument is coming from. The thing about kjv is that it included a mistake in the scriptures which was unconsciously accepted as correct but the discovery of the mistake made the kjv incredible in terms of claims that it is inerrant in translation - the problem is the source itself not the translation, I mean if your faithfully copying a misspelled name, we could trust the sincerity of copying but looking at the copy and it's wrong, the copier must humbly accept he made a mistake - the mistake the kjv-ers don't want to do. As christians we just want to see we are united in what we believe, but if kjv-ers don't want to admit because they think they would lose the sales of the kjv in the stores... it's business, there's money in selling books that's the problem. I would know if you want to know the truth as you claim, if you want to know the mistake in the kjv I'm talking about, otherwise, thanks for the long reply at least you tried however my position is clear regarding kjv.
@@corkystorky why do you have to make the kjv debate about money? Don't misrepresent the intentions pf those who just don't trust anything that's not coming from the textus receptus, they don't do it for the money.
What he has is conjecture of how the canon was chosen. According to tradition the Apostolic fathers recognized the books as the ones past down. When you read the church fathers even in the 1st century they never talk about non-canonical texts as scripture. He misses the point as to why canon is Apostolic. Now folks that is history for you not a made up baptist one.
Amen. The church determined the canon
canon 24 Council of Carthage 419ad
A big thank to the Catholic church for bringing the Canon. Thank you.
Huh? How is that your takeaway? God and the apostles produced the cannon. The early church recognized, circulated, and copied the cannon. 300 years later, the catholic church officially accepted the cannon that had already been agreed upon since the beginning. Many centuries later, the catholic church added the apocrypha to the cannon.
do you believe in other apocrypha books like jubilees,maccabees,judith,esdras,tobith etc. is it canon is it considered as a scripture is it acceptable to use this books in preaching as a scripture or doctrine is it written by the apostle do the Jewish people use it...if not can you give me specific reason or reference that it's not canon or anything ...thank you for answering
Not sure about Jubilees but the early church accepted the rest of those books. It's only been about 150 years that they've been erroneously removed.
because on the resource the jews don't have or use apocrypha books like jubilees on their scriptures and its not on the kjv bible one of the preacher that i know don't use them also but now his using it in preaching and i don't know if its right or wrong because in the new testament they didn't mention any of those apocrypha books unlike the old testament they were mentioned in new testament like the book of jonah,job,Ezekiel etc. but the apocrypha books were never mentioned and it makes me curious and confuse
Check out the channel nathanh83.
Actually the original kjv had the apocrypha in it and Jesus and the apostles did quote from some of the apocryphal books. We actually have books in the canon today that were never quoted in the NT.
We have early church writings, the greek septuagint, Dead Sea scrolls that show those books belong. And just because the Jews reject some books doesn't mean anything, since they also reject isaiah 53, and they rejected their Messiah.
But I think if you check out Nathan's channel you'll find some clarity there, he has some videos but there's more on his community tab. Also theirs a book called "rebooting the bible" that might help.
thank you lena
@@joshuadecaran3233 punctuation please.
Did you know Jesus have coins with his face on it
He totally lost my attention once he said "The early church didn't determine which books went into the canon, it 'discovered' what was the canon". Boo. "Intrinsic authority"... Something ONLY a person that wants to defend canon against other options... even though that canon has changed over time. Again: Boo. Done. Nothing of value to see here.
Eric Gorall what an eloquent and academic argument you have presented!
in one of his speaches Dan said that scribes did corrupt the text,text id does have variations,yes there is a lot manuscripts but they do not have original nor they know what original said.So basically today's Bible is corrupted revelation.Thank you.Some were saying on this for years,but after Ehrman and some other guys books on Textual criticism and hard core christians are accepting that as a fact.
atomac23
I'm considering reporting you for being a complete banana head.
By what rule of logic do we need the autographa to know with relative certainty that what we find in our Bibles is in all points veritably consistent with the original manuscript?
A simple reading of the Church Fathers would confirm that the Jesus written of in the Gospels is in all essentials the Jesus attested to by the Fathers of the early Church who themselves were students of the Apostles of Christ.
That is to say the Church Fathers are a separate source outside the New Testament which give us a window thru which we can see that the history, and doctrine as recorded in scripture accurately depicts the consciousness of the early Church
then go and talk to Dan Wallace. He admitted that original is hidden in manuscripts,some 5 million pages and had to be discovered. Even though majority of biblical scientist agree that there is no point of talking about original, because it is lost permanently.I hope that you listen when these guys are talking, and not only come expecting to hear what you think is true.His opening statement and joke about celebrate and celebate , missing letter R in oldest manuscripts leads to that.
Were early Christians making up stories about Jesus. Yes.Proof. Apocryphal Gospels,with stories like walking cross, Jesus tall the heavens, even though contain Jesus saying were excluded from Bible.One of the examples.
Is Dr Wallace a professor at Biola?
he teaches at Dallas Theological Seminary
21:10 ... lol man i love Dan Wallace, but i really wish i was in the crowd to point out an issue with this statement...he makes it seem as if women are respected in the new testament as if that verse in the Gospel of Thomas is "absurd" when in fact, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 says, "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." - and before I ever read the Gospel of Thomas, this verse in Corithians always stuck out to me as a FALSE teaching. So i would LOVE to hear his rebuttal to that...Gospel of Thomas seems to be as cannon as the other 4 gospels !!
This is hierarchy and respect God over Man - Man over Woman - Woman over Child
God Dies for all - Man Dies for Woman & Child - Woman dies for Child.
When Jesus taught, the disciples were silent they waited until being alone with Jesus to inquire what they did not understand, it was not until Jesus departed that they became teachers. What is being asked of Woman is nothing but to follow order and give respect and that same respect men are to give to God.
@@hiddenrambo328 i don't believe in that "hierarchy"... it's God first, then Yeshua, then parents EQUALLY ...mother and father is yin and yang, what the father may not grasp perhaps the mother would and can relay the message the way she knows her husband will understand it, and vice versa. Then together they raise and die for their children, equally. To say "its a disgrace" for women to speak or inquire in church is merely tradition in a male dominated world...just another form of division. I don't agree. - the bible often overlooks women in favor of men, is the Bible wrong? No. Not comfortable saying that 100%, but our understanding of God's word def needs an upgrade... i wonder what Arius thought about this subject... ***remember, the Bible was kept away from the public and only accessible to priests until the 1800s!! thats not that long ago...
@@Airic You have been given an answer to your question, and just like most truth your belief is not required for it to be true.
@@hiddenrambo328 yup, true, we agree to disagree. Respectfully...much love!
@@Airic I will just ask that you consider this about the Hierarchy since I may have failed to explain sufficiently.
God > Man > Woman > Child
God teaches all,
Man teaches Woman & Child
Woman teaches Child
Jesus is God = God died for all people.
When a intruder breaks into a house the husband is the first line of defence
Man = Dies for woman and Child
The intruder ends the husband the wife is now the defender.
Woman = Dies for Child
Alternatively the woman could collect the child and run knowing the Husband is willing to die for their survival.
This is the order or "hierarchy" of things
even outside the bible.
Talking while someone is teaching is rude or a "disgrace". The husband and wife would sit on opposite sides like at a wedding one side for group A) other side for group B) so for the woman to ask her husband a question she would either have to call out and talk across people or get up and walk to him which is not acceptable today even in places like a movie theatre as it distracts, even quiet talking is frowned on.
(The men also followed these same rules with Jesus they were silent and waited until private to ask things and to interrupt would have been a "disgrace" the word used in the Greek is aischros meaning shameful, dishonourable. So these rules for women isn't asking anything the men weren't themselves willing to do.)
This order is a line of succession,
If God is not around Man is in control.
If Man is not around Woman in in control.
If Man & Woman is not around Child is in control. We See this with modern households even today.
There is co-parenting as both have Authority over the Child but the man is over the woman and God is over the man but this doesn't mean you can mistreat those beneath you as you must treat them as God treats you and God listens & grants fair requests he also sacrificed & died for us (This is the model of how to treat those beneath you in this order) but God also expects that we will obey fair requests there is give and take there is equality but there is still a hierarchy an order to things.
(The above is in Ephesians 5:21-30)
I hope I explained it better this time and hope it helps in some way.
A 'graduate of DTT???? I'd be surprised if they haven't disowned Wallace! Re the Gnostic texts, If I were Lucifer, I would have done exactly what occurred. Sow the tares in with the good seed! Exactly what Yashua prophesied!
Its all in what you think is "bizar".
He keeps saying "early church". Who were they? What were their names and titles?
Dancing goat children are to crazy but parting the sea is ok and changing water to wine are sensible. Killing one child for running into him is to cruel but plagues, floods, razed cities, not to extreme. Sarah did fear god when she laughed if i remember right.
parting the sea to save his people, changing water into wine to show who He is without hurting anyone
plagues, flood, razed cities, to save humanity from a extreme state of cruelty and start again with a chosen people, that is to give a second chance to humanity
all of that is to show grace to the human being
dancing goat children and killing a child for running into him really portrays an egotistic person and not the loving Jesus that we know in the Bible
If god turned any person into a stone or an animal you should just Leave things the way it is macphaerson
My problem with this is ... what would we expect from a man made canon... centuries of councils, debates blah blah blah.. what would i expect if God made the canon, one of the 12 went on a mountain and God wrote the list of books with his own finger... we made the canon not God.. we had good criteria.. but we still made it.. not God.
Your problem, as you call it, seems to be one of viewpoint. If you see Christianity as a "book following cult" then yes you're quite right. This is not the Orthodox view though. Jesus did not leave us a book. The Evangelism narrative always reaches its climax at the resurrection and they omit to tell you that after the resurrection Jesus spent 40 days meeting daily with the apostles setting up His Church. Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church. This is where Protestants in general go wrong. If you deny the authority of the Apostolic Church that Jesus set up Himself then you have no anchoring point. What happens when you don't have an anchoring point? You drift away. The New Testament is not a product of man, the Canon is not the product of man. They are the product of the Church. So Protestants (as good Christians as they might be, I'm not attacking them at all) find themselves in this position where they have to perform some really tricky gymnastics to deny the authority of the Church and accept the authority of its products. Orthodox like myself don't have this issue. We accept the authority of the Church and its Apostolic Tradition, of which the new testament and the canonicity of the new testament and the Christian Creed are all parts of one whole.
It is a sad reality that the Church did not remain whole and that the splintering started way before Protestants came on to the scene but still there is no reason, from a Christian point of view, to doubt the authority of the pre-schizm Church.
I hope this helps offer you a different viewpoint.
Nigel Naicker
The book of ISAIAH confirms the book s of the bible
Nigel Naicker nice point,,, i agree with u
So basically you want God to disregard human free will in order to follow Him.
God writing Torah Himself? And it has to be preserved to this day, the original extraterrestrial God written tablet of Moses...
What do you think would happen? If it could be proven this was not of man, than you would have no choice but to believe. That is not a relationship, that is slavery. And it would elevate the priest-class to the highest status in human society to give interpretation for these texts...not ideal in any circumstance..
But now, you can chose not to believe in God and believe in anything but God. Like the nihilism that results from atheism and the following devaluation of human existence. History showed us this.
A prerequisite for love is freedom.
Nigel Naicker
As to your suggestion
That sounds more simple but we would simply not have the refinement that we havr.
If scripture is inspired then the canon process also has to be inspired.
Just letting man do completely what he wants after God inspired His Eord is nothing more than open theism ..
So; Did the ancient church muzzle the Canon?
That's not the right question.
The question should be; Did they change the wordingin the text during the process of copying the manuscripts so that the Canon would agree with their theology?
The answer is yes.
Example: 1st John 5:7-8 in the 4th century Codex Sinaiticus reads; "...the spirit, the word, and the blood and these three agree."
In the 16th century version created by Erasmus, the same verse reads"...the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and these tree are one". There has been a change in this passage that didn't mention the trinity originally to wording that does.
The ancient church didn't muzzle the Canon. They changed it to reflect the beliefs they already had.
If you had thousands of manuscripts, one or two disagree, the rest agree. Do you throw away the thousands, or the two that disagree with them.
That is the situation we have.
In the 16th century the Catholic church produced the trinitarian text and gave it to Erasmus to include in his version of the NT. The original text is reflected by the 4th century Codex Sinaiticus which has "the spirit, the water, and the blood." instead of "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit." The Sinaiticus version is early and that is why it is accepted as original by modern scholars. The thousands of manuscripts that have "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit." reading are not early and so are not accepted as original. They are all from the 9th century or later and were created during the copying process in order to reinforce the Church's teaching of the trinity doctrine.
The two that disagree with the thousands are early(4th century or earlier), and the thousands are 9th century or later copies of copies that were changed in order to reinforce Catholic doctrine. If a version of scripture is early, it is more likely the original or close to the original reading than a version which is late.
The Trinity doctrine is not based on a single verse, it's a revelation received by taking the Bible accurately and consistently. The doctrine does not rest on a single verse, but Christians still have affirmation of the Trinity because the evidence from scripture is too great to reject the doctrine. Interestingly, 16th century is not "ancient church", so your entire argument falls moot. Even more interestingly, the only type of people that consistently try to create translations with many serious, inaccurate, heretical and obvious Theological bias is JWs, a cultic group.
Christian apologists can't use 1st John 5 to bolster the doctrine of the trinity. That's all. As for the 16th century not being ancient, I agree. What I should have wrote was that the Codex Sinaiticus version of 1st John 5 is ancient, and so modern scholars must consider it when determining the more original text.
Jesus invented the blue Jeans 👖 😂😂😂
good scholar
So the proof for the canonicity of the Bible is simple faith.
Faith that God guided it.
Faith that the opinions and choices of the early church fathers was correct.
This doesn't wash from a logical point of view.
Nothing illogical about it. Dr. Wallace outlined many of the factual reasons why faith in those things is reasonable -- "logical" if you prefer.
Lucius Zedaker
It is not a logically sound argument. It is a faith based argument with logic used to provide support for it. You can easily use the same process to disprove it.
vicachcoup
Huh? All hypotheses are "faith-based."in that sense. The God hypothesis has logical as well as empirical support, If you want to claim that evolution is the equivalent alternative to God, you are making a statement of faith, not science.
But go for it. You would not be the first. Any logical or empirical reason to equate evolution (or whatever) with God?
Lucius Zedaker
I was discussing the canonicity of the Bible and not the proof of God. That is a more defensible rational position.
vicachcoup
Of course you are . Gosh sorry. I am juggling too many conversations at once. Thanks for keeping your cool ...
The weird gospels sound exactly like the Quran😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Since the Quran was written hundreds of years later, I would say it’s the Quran that sounds like the gospels
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Good info. but he consistently gets off-subject and then has to round back. Stay on subject.
cool.
let's talk about the Christian scribes corrupting Tanakh to produce false proof of Jesus as Messiah, Son of God.
"Christian scribes corrupting Tanakh to produce false proof of Jesus as Messiah, Son of God"
Details?
You're confusing Christian scribes with Jewish scribes
I have a Syriac Bible, and it has no extra books. On the other hand, the Ethiopian Bible has more stuff in it then even the Catholics tossed into theirs- but still lacks the "lost scriptures."
What if god turned me in to stone on the corner of 19th and slot would you Remove me ? Spouse i was crossing the street then he just said let him b stone like Buddha when he Rebeld against his Lord because yes budda was the best Chinese ever lived but then he upset his god thru stages of Rebellion and finally god told him become stone because you're stubborn person
so Jesus or Iesous was knocked over by another batty kid and Jesus is supposedly to be in human form, and in human kid form with human traits but has the power of a God, and turning a kid to stone isn't something that a kid would do if he could, God turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt, and commanded Israelites to kill every living creature in Cannon. he turned mud birds into real birds too.