Case Knives KinZua RANT!!
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- CASE KNIVES KINZUA RANT IS A FIRST IMPRESSIONS VIDEO ON THE CASE KINZUA, A USA MADE POCKET KNIFE FOR EDC / WORK. ITS A FRAME LOCK FOLDING KNIFE IN MODERN MATERIALS.
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It's these reasons like these why benchmade can get away with the butterfly tax. I'm rooting for case and glad to see them broadening their lineup
I've always felt like my Benchmade's come with an edge just barely better than those of Case's. It's insane how close they are, how Benchmade's edges are just as bad as literally the worst edges in American knife making, Case's. Atleast you can pretend to not care about the shit grinds on your traditional knives because they're mostly for looks. But modern American tactical? Idk.
I have always loved Case knives. In fact, I own roughly twenty. In my opinion though, they should stay with traditional patterns that they do so well, just use modern materials. I would love to see higher end steels and more modern handle materials on their traditional patterns. To me, that would be awesome!
M390 coke bottle with Carbon Fiber.
Magnacut trapper with flamed titanium!
I’m just waiting for a micarta sod buster.
Wouldn't that be amazing? They do have a knife center exclusive stockman and trapper in S35vn . Although it doesn't have a traditional nail nick . its milled through . like an oval hole .
Yep this. Wish they would off some super steels on their traditionals. It ain't got to be a ton of different steels but quality steel on a tradition would be awesome! GEC needs to do it too.
I got the Marilla a while back and was thinking of getting the Kinzua drop point, but yeah, everything said in this video was what prevented me from picking it up, and applied to the Marilla as well. I think it won the BladeShow award just because it was a departure from the norm for Case and didn't reflect the design at all.
Hope when/if they put out some more modern folders in the future, they take all of these grievances to heart and improve.
Preach on brother :)
Agreed! You would think Case would do their research...like maybe reaching out to us, the community, to gather some intel.
I am with you, I really want case to succeed. I have been a case fan my whole life. I purchased three case knives this year. One from World War II, one from the mid 70s, and a brand new one from this year. The two older ones are phenomenal. They are like brand new. The one I got from this year has some serious fit and finish issues. I don’t believe that management at Kay’s will have any chance to hear about our concerns. When I called regarding the knife I purchased from 2022 I got a really horrible customer service representative. That’s probably one reason they will never live up to our expectations. Customer service is the middleman and honestly I don’t think they care whether or not the customer is happy.
It is like those companies don't understand what a sharpening choil is lol, which is crazy because they know exactly what it is.
I have the marilla smkw nebula fat carbon exclusive super bad pivot lash and super bad lock rock it just sits in a drawer now.....sad
I want this knife BECAUSE of the pry bar thick blade, lol. I worked at a gunshop where everyone swore by benchmade but they kept snapping the blades with pretty light work. They just seem so flimsy. I'd rather have a sturdy knife with a bulky clip then something I can't trust for my day to day
Glad you made this video, reminded me of how much I like that design & how much I want to get one. For an original in house Case I think they knocked it out of the park.
“This thing is THIC” 😂😂😂
I too was really hopeful that for $115, USA made that they would have produced 2 slicers and nailed the details. Fingers crossed they make progress and improve.
FYI transparent knives tested the Magnacut Marilla and got 60.9 HRC on it.
61hrc magnacut isn't great but maybe better than s35vn
I was thinking of buying one of these, and thanks to your review there were a few deal killers for me. Thanks for saving me money.
I have the Case Marilla in Magnacut and I like it other than the screws on the clip and the thick edge.
You should check out the Schrade Alpha Series Truix. That is one sweet knife and it’s very well done. They have a new owner and the USA made stuff looks good.
Brandon, I believe Jerad did a video a few weeks back after receiving their promotional pack.
I dunno man i guess ill be the odd man out but i just bought one and was totally blown away by it. The action is like butter and the lockup rivals my sebenza. Also i think the ergos are fantastic. I dont give a shit about a sharpening choil or rounded screws on my pocket clip .
That's awesome man I'm glad you are happy, we all are going to have our own biases and preferences. What's important is that you are happy with it
@NeevesKnives holy shit your like the 2nd most famous person other than Kickok 45 that's ever replied to me. I just think your palett is a little more refined than most so your critiques are on point.
@robertm9848 I always am trying to improve so I'm happy to have constructive criticism, how can I be critical if I can't even take criticism. I do plan on really taking the channel to new heights with information and great visuals this year
I purchased a Case Seahorse Whittler as a Christmas gift for a friend last year. I was glad I opened the box and checked it out before I gifted it because it was of shockingly poor quality. The fit and finish was terrible and it was no where near sharp enough to “whittle” much of anything.
Oh man, case has the worst factory edges. Factory burrs, rough grits, and uneven
I prefer a thick blade
Yep! Makes a great work knife!
solid rant
Good review. The name Kinzua is pronounced less the a at the end. Kinzu is how it is properly pronounced. I grew up in the area and had a camp nearby where the Case Zippo factory is located. Great knife to be sure. Thanks for the review.
Case knives is a heritage brand, the type of knife youd be proud to have handed down to you from your Dad or Grandpa or a knife you would like to hand down and even though im a lifelong fan of Case and this knife doesnt have that quality
Im guessing 90% of you dont know what case is marketed for...FARMERS/FARMING..when your out in the field/pasture, youre not worried about "slicey",smaller flipper,ect..its meant to be a WORKING tool..thicker blade,sturdy clip...thats what works
I know exactly what they are for, I was a construction worker over 20 years and have worked on Farms and yards. And that's why I'm critical, It's about it making sense there's a level of which is counter productive, I understand wanting to use your knife as a multi tool believe me I do, and in those cases you want strength in your blade but there's still a limit, and the rest of the blade needs to match that strength. The ergos, lock, stop pin, etc.. should also be strong and comfortable. Don't take what I say into consideration if it's working for you and you love it, I'm happy you found a good tool that works well for you
Completely agree!
One of the best knife videos I have seen. Your work does matter while at the same time it shows your refinement of knowledge which can reduce negatives to the seemingly unimportant minor details. These details are critical however for manufacturers to be the most successful possible. Excellent video Jerad.
I had the same thoughts when these came out. My first impression was, wow, that is a great looking knife, and for a USA made the price was not too bad. However, after watching a few reviews, I came to the same conclusions you have mentioned. Access to the lock (especially for a lefty), combined with blade thickness, turned me off from a purchase.
It's like so many of these old companies are stuck in their old ways and terrified of improvement and change for the better. Once they finally listen and release something that is more "modern", they are 10 years behind on what people expect in that price range. On a rare occasion they hit it out of the park, but I believe that is pure luck and not by design (or because someone involved or with close eyes on the community has guided them). It's a shame that some of these companies with so much history and knowledge can't get things right. I think most people would love to see these old companies be able to compete in the modern market, so hopefully they get it sooner or later.
Now we see the effects of allowing our politicians to sell us out to an enemy who is openly waging economic warfare upon us. I hope others wake tf up soon and see what's happening. More importantly, I hope they ACT and do something about it before its too late.
Considering this is Case's first attempt at a modern design, it's not bad. Let's hope they refine it later.
Damn, I hope they can work it out with these modern folders. I have a Case Trapper and it's old as dirt and still works. They can do this...
Excellent review. The simply reality is that there are hundreds if not thousands of knife purchasing options presented to consumers nonstop (especially if your a collection or enthusiast keeping on top of the industry). To produce a knife that compares to what we were seeing a few years ago or is more like a budget quality knife, for the price point, is simply disappointing. I root for Case as well, and love their slipjoints and have for years, but if they are going to enter this arena, please do it with gusto!!! Even if it was $300 + a knife. Not mediocrity!
I'll bought the Tanto Pry-Bar & my only complaint is getting past that detent ball when you close the knife! Oh well, I'm just going to beat it up working in the Auto-Parts industry.
This knife never appealed to me when it came out anyway, just not my style knife and for the money I can get 200 models I want more.
Just my thoughts but I’d say buy these new case knives. Even though they aren’t perfect supporting them will encourage Case to make more modern models. If these knives don’t sell you won’t see the improvements come down the line. The overseas companies pumped out hundreds of models over the las 5-10 years until they started to nail exactly what we all want
I really hope so
I know it's Case, but that is not a $115.00 knife
S35vn and aluminum frame lock with bearings, especially with that blade length and thickness is not a bad deal material wise especially for USA made.
The pocket clip screws. Two years have passed, and they still haven't found a flat head screw 😢
So i got this knife as a Christmas gift and i was actually pleasantly surprised. One a side note, i didn't find the belt clip uncomfortable at all, quite the opposite. Maybe i have fat hands i dont know? Lol.
On a side note, a US made s35vn knife that size with that thick of a blade for ~$110, i can accept a few misses on minor details. This would be easily a $200 knife if it were a benchmade or any other major brand us or otherwise.
Knife Center has them for $99.95! That’s insane, IMO.
I looked at 4 different ones of these at a gun store today, every single one was off center and/or grinding on the frame.
Aluminum lock bar????? Why
Such a good point you make, I love my Chris Reeve knives as well as my Lionsteel and Jack Wolf modern traditionals and I own a ton of Case and Buck knives. I can’t bring myself to buy one of these or the Spartan Harsey for that matter because the plunge grinds are a disaster - can’t understand why this is.
They couldn’t even recess the pocket clip screws
I do get all the criticism, but at $99.95 for a US-made, S35VN blade? Come on!
Been collecting case xx knives for a while now and I enjoy my Marilla. Good rant and hopefully they get ahold of this information. Good job considering the effort put in for an edc knife. Also this has me thinking about gifts for the holidays. Could you do a video for great edc knifes at different price points? Preferably all American knifes.
I ended up making a detention ramp on mine much smoother on closing
Problem with big makers like these they tend to rely on their name to push past all the little things they didn't get right on a knife. Most of the people buying these knives are going to be regular Case customers who aren't necessarily into modern folders but will buy it because it has the Case name on it, and for a company that has been in business as long as Case has they should know what's appealing to customers based on the competition and reviews that knives have gotten up to this point. Pretty simple to see that this knife could have been great with a few changes, but hopefully they learn from what they did wrong and make a better product in the future. Thanks for the great vid Jerad and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.
I hope case one day will get us GEC quality traditionals...
This (and the buck 040) looks like a gas station knife design with slightly better materials
This knife makes me think of the Twosun ts21
Edge detective over here!
The only thing I don’t like about the knife is the clip
My copper lock has an excellent sharpening choil, kinda funny huh
I watch your videos for two reasons. One I love knives and two I love learning about them from you bro. I love that I can pick out certain little details the way you did in this video now because of watching you do your thing! So on some real shit man thank you so much for what you do! If Case had you as an advisor & actually did what you told them to do they would be dropping straight heat!! 🔥💪💚
I'm rooting for Case too. And you're word DOES matter, that's why we subscribe and watch your videos.
This video was hilarious 😂
I had the same issues with the Gerber Fastball when it first came out....the grind was thick the detent was off on the return....it almost sounds like your review is for the Fastball....😁😁
Good steel though. Do y’all know the hardness?
On their s35vn, I imagine between 59 and 60 but I don't know for sure
how about their Marilla? mentioned best folder knife a year ago.
Maybe they made a look that they wanted and stuck with it rather than making more prototypes for better function.
I got one today for 130 should and I’ve thought about taking it back and putting in another 100 and get a benchmade, or should I keep it? Anyone got any long term edc experience with it?
Always appreciate your insight
Just ordered one simply for the materials used vs price point...I figure if nothing else it should make a solid work knife
Just bought the same knife. I feel exactly the same. The blade is way too think, making the knife heavier than it could be. The factory edge is also horrible. I bought for my old man, who is a collector. But, I would never buy for myself. At $160, there are much better options. And that will be the problem with this knife. If it can't match the other US made brands is the price range, it will never get off the shelf.
i wonder what their research dept. looks like...all the info to create a quality knife is out there..I hate when companies refuse to listen to the end user experience, even more so when they refuse to catch up to the times...they have the ability to have the best of both worlds
That is so true, by the time they catch up its to late and then they are just back where they started
It’s kind of amazing how lightly these reviewers have to tread. He hated everything about this knife but couldn’t stop saying it was good.
i have absolutely no reason to tread lightly, it is a good knife but small details that many companies overlook keep them oout of the great knives. i just want the usa comp to do better, but please dont mistaken it for treading lightly.
@@NeevesKnives I love your content and it was more that I feel like there’s pressure for all reviewers to put a positive spin on things. I didn’t word it correctly rereading what I wrote. I suppose ground like a pry bar isn’t positive though LOL!
I love it, how much are they Im guna buy two of em. Its like the BDSM of knives, do Case Knives make gimp masks? Maybe they could make a double ended self lubricating flashing knife? I could do all my weekly shopping in one stop if they do. If they dont that could be a hole in the market that you could fill? Go all in wit both feet!!
I was really looking at this knife when it was 1st released,...american made, old knife company, they have great reputation with slip joints, etc... Then I started seeing these reviews and was instantly disappointed and lost interest. Maybe nest version will be better. I guess when a company focuses on one type of product, they have a difficult time manufacturing other variations.
Finish is too slick
When are you going to design the perfect knife? You should I think..
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!!! Bwuaaahaaahaaa! Man, everything you said is true.
Though I'm not a big Case fan, Case does have a fan base that dates so far back it's ridiculous.
I do agree that they are headed in the same direction though. I have bigger problems when I see American knives that are half ass, than I am about Chinese knives. I'm old enough to remember when the U.S. manufactured everything we needed. In fact, German, Swiss, Japanese and Chinese people used to come here and buy up product to take back home cause our products used to be such good quality.
Now, people from China come and visit, and when they see the products on the shelf, they say,"Hey, that's my quality control ID. Hopefully soon we'll be seeing the new Case Bang Kneeves Framelock.
Thanks for the video my Bladed Brother 👍 ⚔️ ✝️ 🇺🇲
Wait till he gets ahold of the case west line 😂
Case is so hit or miss. Their knives are twice the price, and half the quality of something like Rough Rider Reserve... I won't buy one unless I can handle it first and inspect it. So many of them have weak springs, or strong springs with blade rap... Proud pins that keep working themselves out, cracked scales, blades rubbing.
American Made doesn't mean what it used to. Lots of fat lazy Americans who take no pride in their work, making fun of the Chinese brands that run circles around them at half the price...
There isn't a US made knife under $100 worth a damn... Especially not when a $30 knife from China is vastly superior almost all of the time...
Instead of blaming the 'fat lazy American worker', perhaps you should place the blame on our corrupt politicians who rigged the game and sold us out to an enemy who is openly waging economic warfare on us?
All I'll say is, sure took them long enough to figure out how to make semi quality knives. But it's really no surprise. Innovation and excellence are traits that come naturally to FREE countries where competition drives innovation. Our enemy is lacking that motivating factor. But YEARS of copying/stealing designs and ideas and infiltrating our govt, schools, and industry has allowed them to achieve their goal.
Just collect more Rough Ryders. I'm sure the enemy is close to finishing their plan. They might need a few more dollars for a nuclear submarine. Hope you're ready for more lockdowns and social credit scores! If you're lucky maybe they'll let you keep your knife collection, but I highly doubt it.
@@9thchamber499 I am not talking about copying designs. I am talking about several companies over there, working with famous designers, and cranking out better knives than we make here, at a better price. Even Microtech is now partnering with Rike, because Anthony can't make a SOCOM Bravo that good, at anywhere near that price point,. If Rike makes it at $370, then Anthony making it would cost over a grand and nobody would buy it.
And while our politicians are indeed scumbags, they didn't rig the game as much as you think. When we make it cost prohibitive to do business here, many companies will look to outsourcing to stay competitive.
In the 1980's it cost American car makers $77 per hour to make a car. A lot of that was labor, benefits, pensions, in addition to materials, taxes, etc... It cost Toyota only $44 an hour to make a car, and it was a vastly better car. So people started buying Japanes cars in droves, because they were cheaper AND better quality.
Apparently we as a country didn't learn our lesson, because we did the same with electronics, and now we are doing it with the knife industry.
Don’t apologize for calling it like you see it. I appreciate this review because I have had my eye on this new Case series for some time now. The Marilla and the Luzinga (weird names). I have a few Case traditional pocket knives and love them. When this new effort came out I didn’t do backflips and handstands. Frankly, they look boring. Most off-putting is the price. How much are we expected to pay for the Case name? Additionally, I say screw “American Made”! Am I trying to buy a cool functional knife or am I trying to make some kind of patriotic statement. I’m a patriot. I don’t have to prove it with my knife buying preference. I have no problem buying Chi-Com (Chinese-Communist) knives. They’re good and so much more affordable.
hopefully we can encourage the companies to improve the quality rather than force them overseas thats my hopes
Bought a Buck 120 heritage series. The grinds were fucking awful. I thought I got a factory second or something it was so bad.
Sadly,🤥 I must agree!
A very simple & good looking knife, the kinda knife I’d like to have. Until I saw the price $200 for the knife pictured here. Are they serious? No way would I pay that kinda money for this knife..!
Reate has terrible plunge grinds/choils
I bought two Case Marilla (SMKW exclusive) in MagnaCut.
The quality is not consistent. One is shit and one is good enough. I won’t be buying a Case modern style knife any time soon.
Case, Watch this video then go back to the drawing board 👍🔥
I think Case wants to make the most money per unit instead for making/and selling 1,000,000 and making 1$ per unit? Quality Case will sell Millions .
Yes love that it’s made in the USA. But this thing is all over the place! Have to pass…
Here is my issue, it’s an ugly knife.
It's like they make junk on purpose 😆
Like a LOT of other 'USA' companies. Almost like they want to make sure they don't make better knives than that one country that is openly waging war on us. Surely these are just coincidences 😉
How bout a case sharktooth☠️
That's the point of business Jerad - to pay more and get less so that the other guy gets more ;D
My Dad says you drink too much.
Quality Control Suck in Case and I'm dissapoint3d buck has chinese product. It is high-end Chinese factories and sog makes really good knives in China that would beat some American made knives also.
Blade looks like after a few years of sharpening :-(
I'd rather have an Eafengrow, Miguron or Ganzo.
I'm sure China is happy to hear that...
I won't be buying one of those...
Nice job critiquing 👍
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Bro what
But does he have a deep pocket clip?
@@matthewpuleo9307 He's right. I also like fairy tales, who doesn't :) ?
Random spiel but, okay. Btw, if God is real, he created us imperfect. He also set up Adam and Eve to fail by putting them in the very same garden as the tree they weren't supposed to eat from (tree of the knowledge of good and evil). Sure, the serpent told them to eat from the tree, but how would they have known it was evil to disobey God if they didn't have the knowledge of good and evil to begin with? It's like putting a toddler in a room with a loaded gun on the floor and telling them not to touch it and then leaving to go mow the yard or something. Shouldn't be surprised if you hear a gunshot soon after, the toddler didn't know better, neither did Adam and Eve.
Wonder what he had in his pocket?
JC EDC?
Anybody?
Kin zoo ah
That knife is terrible and not getting my money. Now I want all usa made knives to be great and want usa companies to do great. 95 % of all the knives I own and carry are usa made but I won't buy something that isn't good just because it's made here.
My $28 Feldspar is better than this...
I'd love to own this knife I'd someone paid me to take it off their hands. Like who is the person at Case who literally says "let's do it this way"? Makes you want to call that specific person and ask them WHY! I mean do they have no involvement with the knife community? With Internet and social media and everything available to us there's just no excuse for getting things so wrong.
BangGang!
So true!