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- Changed the original O-ring chain to an O-ring chain. RK brand Still no rubbing on the tire knobs!
Went for a 20 mile ride and the chain didn't stretch at all, so I guess I will loosen it up a bit.
I also explain how to shorten chain if needed after sprocket changes.
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*UPDATED LINK* DID 428VX 130 link Professional O-Ring Series Chain: goo.gl/gj534T
Rear Sprocket Hawk 250, 45 tooth goo.gl/IHRpaI
Front sprocket 17 tooth, 2 teeth higher than stock for more top end speed: amzn.to/1W0IJFG
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motocheez, you need to write up an owners manual with full assembly instructions for the Hawk. I would pay $ for that and I'm sure a lot of other people would also. The company that makes the hawk should give you one because your channel has sold a heap of them!
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I really like your videos. I’m planning to order a Hawk in a day or two. But I’m SO scared of getting a Chinese piece of crap. I bought a Chinese go cart couple years ago and the wheel bearings went out that weekend. But the Hawk 250 seems to be a good buy. I hope I don’t regret buying it. ! BTW your videos are what has convinced me to go ahead and get one. I will purchase ALL my mods and upgrades thru your link!!!! Good job!!!
Thanks! I've also gotten China junk pocket bikes. They aren't really that bad, yeah you'll need to tinker but it's 1/3 the price of the cheapest 250 Japanese dual sport.
Be sure to tell whoever you purchase from that! Lol. I can't get any replies from saferwholesale... I do not recommend. Them at all.....
Thanks, this reminds me of that i need to buy a new chain :) :)
Hey moto how many miles should I change my filter and which one is recommended for the hawk
I have question I purchased new chain tensioners go inside swing arm. Is there a certain way the fit in I see they lip out I'm having no luck tightening the chain staying loose as a goose. Lol
that a really good way
What aftermarket exhaust do u recommend
Hey love your vids and you definitely got it done, however anyone else putting a new chain on please for the love of god use a chain press tool and a micrometer they are cheap on amazon. Also you need to grease the pins and o rings when you put the master link together
I agree use a press. I've done it this way for years. The master link was pre-loaded with grease already, hard to see on video.
Sweet
Hey MotoCheez, did you adjust the pilot jet on the carb? Or did you use the stock? If so, do you know what size the pilot is?
Stock pilot jet with mixture screw out about 2 1/2 turns
Thnks bro
I'm about to do a 17t front and 40t rear sprocket change. I'm thinking I need a 126 link chain... does that sound about right to you?
Yeah sounds about right
Hey took a test ride and the bikes to speed is 50 will adjusting the idle help rpm speed
For higher top speed you'd need to change sprockets and carb work.. did you confirm via GPS? The speedos are off a bit sometimes
DID 428VX, RK 428SO, RK 428XSO, and RK 428SROZ are all sealed 130 linked chains, sorted low to high in price..
520 and 428 are different pitch
I edited out non-428. Is Magician 428-130 too?
124 links
what do you think about just changing the rear sprocket to a 39t for better top end?
You can, but I think you'll have to remove some links from the chain.
on Amazon it says to choose a type of bike what do I choose to get the one you got for the hawk?
If you clicked the link in the description you shouldn't need to choose the bike. It should go directly to the product.
Hey I had a question I lost the back plate to the axle to adjust the chain and tired where would I get that piece at?
Try the dealer you got it from. TXpowersports has parts. 8f not I'm sure eBay has something
Does the rk 428so -130 fit the old sprockets without short the chain?
Yes it's the same size as original
is there any chance that a 128 link chain would fit my hawk with 17 front and 45 rear? I bought the chain before the bike..i have the 17 tooth front..was gonna get the 45 rear if I can install with the new chain wihtout modifying the chain (i am a newb). I bought an X-ring.
It might fit. I'm not sure to be honest. It'll be close
I have a tar 7 and just change to 17 teeth sprocket and the chain is way to tight. Do I have to buy a new longer chain? If yes what size? Thanks
I've heard they're shorter on some of the newer bikes. Have link on motocheez.com. 130 links 428
Where did you get the parts from to do the larger sprocket job
All the mods and parts in the description. www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004DNA0KA?camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B004DNA0KA&linkCode=as2&linkId=RJPN3XQ6MLPNQIUR&pc_redir=T1&redirect=true&tag=moto044b-20
Any one know what is a good replacement chain for the magician
It's the same pitch chain as hawk, less links. I forget how many links, 98 I believe. You can count yours
If I use a 17 front and 45 back will the new chain your using still work? Looking to mod a hawk similar to how you've done it. New to bikes so using hawk as a kind of learning experience on working on them. Great videos btw.
Yes. Stock chain still works. Thank you 😀
What if I just need to replace the chain on one of these, will the Rk428SO chain fit the stock sprockets?
Griffin Langhans. Yes
Hey what will a p z carburetor do for the hawk
It's a better quality serviceable carb. Some claim more HP, I still use stock modded carb
Hey moto I ordered the new sprockets but couldn’t find that chain but I did find one for 65dollars can I use the DiD 428vx 130 link o ring instead of the r k
That should work, I try and update the links on motocheez.com. they sell out fast it seems....
Putting on the chain do those little black o rings go on first or last
@@damagiotomahawks8400 They get sandwiched between the plates
Love the angle you film from... is this a chest mount go pro?
Video glasses. Zetronix ultrawide
@@MotoCheez thanks I'll check them out!
@@MotoCheez do you just voice over or do you have a mic setup?
Is the brake and clutch pedal interchangeable with the CRF250L? I find that those brake a lot on trails.
They do look like they would fit, I know many parts off the CRF230 fit, so its possible
MotoCheez Good to hear, one of my biggest concerns about these Chinese bikes is parts availability.
Yes, parts are interchangeable with other bikes which is nice. RPS carries all the parts for these bikes. Too
Should i not be spraying chain wax on my non o ring stoxk hawk 250 chain?
You can, heavy weight oil seems to work best on all chains though.
@@MotoCheez o okay thank you
Is there a chain I can buy that I won't need to cut off links for the 45 and 17 sprockets?
Stock chain should work
Sweet!
Question - more teeth on front for more torque and fewer teeth in back higher top speed?, So in order to get cruise 70+ mph 17/43 or 17/45 would suffice?
Somebody told me to keep the 15 upfront and just go down on rear to 45?
Doing either front or rear does same. Up in front, down in back higher speed. Down in front or up in back is lower speed better torque.
I usually just do the front because 1 tooth up in front is equivalent to 3 down in the back. Some do combo of both for highway 17/45. You'll have to do some mods to cruise at 70, that's about max
@@MotoCheez thanks
I just ordered on ebay the se chain, to in stall on my Storm. I will let you know how it goes.
Nice. It's much better than stock chain!!
+MotoCheez I bet. this stock one has stretched out with only 400 km on it.
I ordered + rec a 106. I bought the wrong one. I counted it was 128 links...You put a 130, do those 2 links make a difference?
+Warren Salter even the specs say 130. Mine had 130. Should be same
Ok I will double check one more time. I counted 128 links. So that would be interesting if it was slightly different on the Storm. Thanks for the reply
How long can you get out of a china chain? I bought the 2023 venom kpx250. The chain has stretched like crazy in just 50 miles. Im new to these bikes and working on them.
You can usually get about a thousand miles on the cheap chain that comes with it if you keep it clean and oiled. You can't overtighten them either cuz I will stretch fast. The first 50 miles you get your pre stretch which is common on any chain
@@MotoCheez thanks man. Awesome that you replied. Been watching your channel for years, working towards being financially able to by a China bike, of all things lol. Had to buy my wife a 4wheeler first 😁. I'm sure you understand. These kpx 250s are amazing btw. True 250 w 20 hp, strong frames, thick forks, aluminum rims, 80 mph, ect. I think you'd love this bike man.
I do understand, I'd like to get one of those kpx's!
do you know if this would work on the bashan storm 250?
Yes. Same setup
+MotoCheez nice. okay thanks. i will order one.
Can you use the JT "natural" 428 chain with no orings?
Yes
@@MotoCheez Thank you!
Hey Mr. Cheese! What is the stock chain size?
130 I think it was. Have link on motocheez.com
How many inches of travel should the chain have? And can i tighten it while its siting on its kick stand??
On kickstand the manual says 1/2" to 3/4" slack
@@MotoCheez oh thats tight okay from exacly middle of the bottom side of the chain? Measure from there up?
Yes
if I wanted to change out my sprockets but keep my torque but add alittle speed what would be the best front and rear sprockets for that and if I add tourqe am I going to loose top speed ?
Liam Wells I just went up 2 teeth in the front (17), gave me more top end and didn't notice any power loss because it's so low geared to start with.
MotoCheez ok and will a 17 fit a 2016 hawk I heard it was a tight fit and to use 16 is that true ? also how hard is it to straighten the back wheel I wanna do it my self but I'm not experienced at all also would a 45 in the back give more speed or torque
Liam Wells I heard some were tight with the 17, but the 4 I've changed fit fine. a 45 rear will give you even more speed.
MotoCheez I'd lose a couple of pounds tourqe though right
Liam Wells yes, more speed, less power
Is it ok to go 17 in front 45 in the rear with the new o ring chain
Yes, it's fine
Did u have the front sprocket flushed towards the back or the middle o ring chain a little bigger
Don't remember which, but Kept it stock configuration.
So i have my new chain & its connected all around. Where do i break it? A buddy says not on the master but that doesn't sound right
You have to cut so master will fit
Don't know what you mean by that lol... Might just need help the first time
My chain is connected in box. Should be able to push in pin with my breaker or the method with needle nose
@danielpatrick368 has to look same as when you take it off, small link
My chain just constantly gets loose. I've had to tighten it again after maybe 600 miles?
Yes. The first stretch of the chain is the worst. After that it's not too bad if you keep it lubricated. Should last about 5000 miles before you run out of adjustment and need to change. Depending on use of courae
@@MotoCheez oh it's past the first stretch. Tightened it once already and it's got 1500 miles on it.
This is the second time tightening.
Stock chain? They're not as good as an Oring.
@@MotoCheez yes stock chain. It's garbage. I'm replacing it with an o-ring chain. I'm doing a 17t front and 40t rear sprocket change. I'm thinking I need a 126 link chain. That sound about right to you?
future hawk rider here, was curious as to the difference in a o ring chain and a non o ring chain performance wise
Taylor Freezy performance wise, I would think they are the same, possibly a little more drag on an Oring chain when new but they last so much longer and need a lot less maintenance.
MotoCheez awesome man thanks for the input. Was curious if this chain would fit a 16/45 sprocket combo.
EK Chain 428 SROZ Series Chain - 130 Links. some people have said If the chain ever snaps on the 17/45 the tension from the chain could crack the engine case. so was just wondering my best route for longevity, or if that's a problem I even have to worry about
I will probably fit, 3 links difference than stock 15/50... but might be close
How many miles you have on it before you changed chain. The link you have is no longer available through amazon.
Newest links are on Motocheez.com. Here is the newest link goo.gl/gj534T
I changed my chain at about 500 miles, I heard the newer Hawks have a better quality chain too
Mine is a new hawk only about 65 miles on it so far. I am going to do the sprocket change and thought I'd do the chain right away but seeing as how hard it is to find I might just have to use the stock one for a bit.
Yeah, you have a while on the stock chain... May as well wait until you need a chain IMO
Can't find chain anywhere..
It seems my link is sold out. You may have to get other than 130 and cut it down
Top speed of this bike stock?
About 63mph
or to remove a link just hold the chain over a socket and put a punch on the link and hammer it out I've done it before
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So I’m completely at a loss here I bought a x ring chain 130 links same as stock and 17 tooth sprocket but I’m like 1/8 short of a link to get the master link in?
Hmm, sure the wheel as far forward as possible? Proper pitch 428 chain, Fits in sprocket good?
@@MotoCheez yeah wheel was as far forward as it would go chain fit well but I’m unsure of my stock rear sprockets pitch I ended up ordering the 45 rear sprocket was hoping to try just the 17 at first but I guess that won’t be an option
Strange, it should fit!
@@MotoCheez I’m not sure why I’m hoping it’s due to the stock rear sprocket not being 428 pitch
That would do it!
This chain... so hard to find.
You're right... I didn't know this until I just looked
so you did have to cut a few links off when you put on your sprockets?
for the 45, and the 17tooth
+Richard Cruz I got that same chain
Richard Cruz same chain will fit without any links removed
+MotoCheez and the rpk chain?
Richard Cruz yes. Stock links, I think it was 120. RPS or aftermarket will still work, there's plenty of adjustment.
i can't find this chain in stock anywhere :/ and i need one ASAP
Sheyra Concepcion I know, a few other people saying the same thing. I didn't have any luck looking to update my links either.
428 is the pitch of the chain, thats the important part to fit your sprockets, the 130 is links, so you could get longer and take links out to shorten it...
MotoCheez i found 428 130 links by RK! (: now the tough part will be the actual installation. correct me if im wrong, but i saw that you only messed with the tensioner. i saw other videos where they also played with the bolts on the side too, and would remove some needle? is that necessary? thank you
Sheyra Concepcion you have to remove fitter pin to loosen axle, then loosen adjusters, the take apart the old xhain, hook the new chain to it and drag it over the front sprocket, in neutral of course. put the master link (hard) and adjust.
thank you. mine currently doesnt have a chain on it.
wow, my chain isn't that tight at all. i have about 1.25" of slack when loaded
Sheyra Concepcion should be about 1/2" with 10lbs pressure up and down
*grabs a 10lb dumbbell*
Sheyra Concepcion haha
I could not find the recommended chain play in the manual, do you measure the chain play with the rear wheel off the ground on a stand or on the kick stand?
On the stand is fine. It’s unloaded
Hey man great video. I did a lot of upgrades on my bike last weekend. Including a changing the sprockets and the chain. I went with a 17/43 ratio and didn't have to take any links out of the chain. The Shinko 705's made a huge difference on the road. With the 17 tooth front sprocket I had to do a bit of grinding and sanding on the cover so that the chain would not rub. I'll try to upload of the finished bike and talk through all my upgrades. I also got a longer shifter and it makes a huge difference for me. Here's the link for the one I got: www.amazon.com/MSR-Folding-Shift-Lever-Steel/dp/B000WJAVJ4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
Thanks and awesome! I also did the longer shifter just last week. I didn't have to grind anything with my 17t front sprocket.
I got the same shifter!!!
I had to, the chain would rub. I went with a regular chain instead of an o-ring. Just a standard 428- 130 link chain.
There wasn't any extra room with the 17 on there
+Andrew93 it was tight squeezing the cover on but it didn't rub on mine. I got JTR sprockets.
What aftermarket exhaust do u recommend
I have two of them linked on Motocheez.com in the Hawks section