I think they forgot to mention that there was plenty of other food during the famine, but it was being exported to England. Much of the grain brought into the country was cattle feed for the dairy and beef industry.
It was the other way round Irish grain is suitable for cattle feed they imported edible grains. An ardent Patriots said they imported maize which was cattle feed because that was good enough Irish peasants. Which is a rather odd statement because maize was the staple diet of the indigenous population of Mexico and Central America and so important it had its own god.
It was the other way round Irish grain is suitable for cattle feed they imported edible grains. An ardent Patriots said they imported maize which was cattle feed because that was good enough Irish peasants. Which is a rather odd statement because maize was the staple diet of the indigenous population of Mexico and Central America and so important it had its own god.
Which is ironic really that they were the people who passed most of the peanal laws and ignored their colonial masters continuing attempt to mitigate them
@@freebeerfordworkers Well of course, they weren't the same people. They may have been from the class that did those things, but that doesn't mean they had to have the same attitude. There are many rebels and reformers who come from the class of oppressors, in all different societies. Being close to it is what turns them against it, if their minds are more decent.
@@MatthewMcVeagh That's fine but why did they blame England for what their own people were doing? King Billy wrote in his own hand that he considered the Irish penal law's excessive and like successive British governments he was ignored.
Being 5th generation Irish in Canada, From Derry I am so enjoying this History. Thank you for posting this series on you tubeon you tube. Erin Go Bragh
Katharine Moseley I too am amazed at the history of the Irish in America and the more I read the more I understand my Great Grandmother. Both my Great grand parents on my Dads side of the family fled Ireland in the mid 1800's to come to America. I had the priveledge of knowing My GGGrandmother in her later years and to listen to her tell her history back to Ireland. What a fastinating and sad story she told and the sacrifices they faced to leave Ireland. And I now better understand her intense hatred of the British. I wish I could have recorded her stories, She was a tough lady living to just short of her 100th birthday and having grown up on the prairre of N Dakota on a homestead. Land to them was important as they could not own land in Ireland.
Wilbur Finnegan I do talk to my own family about Irish history and they're not interested even a local massacre not interested. My dad says as long as the economy is going well. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Mullaghmast
Was a potato blight, not a famine. There was food on the Island, in the streams and in the ocean but the Catholic peasants were forbidden from taking food from these resources by the English land owning nobility. This was a tragedy made in small measure by a potato blight but in larger part due to the callousness of the English and their need to earn profits from their ill gotten land.
I would say it was more socially and religiously driven than economically. The Priminister at the time, believed in giving the Irish relief would create a nanny state in which the population would become dependant on the state. Of course this view was idiotic.
Andrew Duff That is garbage. If there are fish in the stream and game on the land there is no need to "provide relief" just allow the Irish to feed themselves with the food already on their land. Remember, potato blight, not famine. If there was not an insanely oppressive system in place that prevented the Irish from using their own resources there would have been no famine.
A very informative video.. Thank you Mr Keane... I had some questions regarding the land act and of the petty bourgeois class that emerged in the late 1800s..
We Continental Europeans with some historical knowledge will always remember that grain and wheat our forefathers had saved from their own poor nutrition stocks for helping the starving Irish population had been stolen by protestant distributive organizations. Only converts to protestantism got access to these food donations, which also did come from the Russian Zar and the Ottoman Court.
@@mango2005 I have my doubts about the 19th century, there's an interesting article in the Irish Times about how anyone who joined the English army to fight WW1 was rudely punished on return, if not assassinated. As for WW2, the Irish went to Canada or Australia to join their armies in order to fight the war.... just goes to show. Also, if you look further back Napolean had an Irish Brigade.
@@pootypoot13 Any Irishman who joined the British Army to fight in WW2 was persecuted in Ireland, if he returned. No jobs in any government controlled organisation. Schools, hospitals, civil service, Police etc
My Irish Great Grand Father came here to America and was shot at by the thugs his boss hired to take down his union. The reason we have basic working standards today isn't because of the free market. It's because my great grand father won >D
Something the series doesn't address much is linguistic change and education. When did the majority of the Irish first speak English (mostly as a second language), and when did the majority speak English as a first language? More widely how did the shift in education under English-imposed law in the 1600s(?) away from Catholic educators and Irish cultural identity change the experience of being Irish? How successful were their attempts and resistance? My experience working in the Anglophone Caribbean is the simultaneous education and miseducation of both the elite and the common man (now people) were to critical to the debasing of heritage of the colonial subject and the tools of resistance. Ireland was the first settler colony of the English; was it any different?
The Potato Famine was one of the most ridiculous episodes in the history of Ireland and Britain. I suspect it was then that my ancestors on my Dad's side came over here to England.
The word "Trevelyan" should be put in the dictionary as a definition of a person who doesn't give a crap about men, women and children who are dying of famine and who wanted them to die.
There is no doubt the Union led to the Famine. The 1741 Famine came to a relatively quick end because the Irish Parliament closed the ports to agricultural exports. The British parliament rejected appeals to do the same.
Bollox! The 1741 Famine only lasted ONE YEAR......THAT was the fuckin' difference! The Great Famine saw 5 out of 6 years of near complete harvest failure due to the Blight! There was THREE TIMES more food IMPORTED than EXPORTED, in the late 1840s...do you know anything, ffs??
British settlers had mostly bought up the land before Union. Union brought Catholic emancipation, but unfortunately few indigenous Irish yet owned land when the blight hit.
God brought the blight on the Potato harvest but the British Government brought the famine. Huge amounts of meat and poultry etc was exported during the famine.
@@DonegalRaymie201 The famine of 1741 ended in one year because the ports were closed. The ports were not closed during the 1840s famine, and more food was exported than imported. www.usbornefamilytree.com/irishfoodexports.htm
History is important because it shows reoccurring themes in human nature, the knowledge of that nature/reactions can help mitigate issues or prevent them from happening. For example, Genocide, if you learn about the various genocides that have been committed throughout the last century. You will notice trends that are precursors to genocide and those trends can help people prevent potential genocides from happening.
To understand the role Britain had in exacerbating the outcomes of the potato blight, read The Famine Plot, by Tim Pat Coogan. Let us remember that plenty of food was grown in Ireland for export.
Yes he wrote if Britain could maintain a 100,000 army in the Crimea 2000 miles away it shouldn't have had any trouble feeding the population of Ireland a couple of hundred miles away. He seems to be unaware that Britain sent 65,000 men to the Crimea and within a year 40,000 of them were dead of of disease of the remaining 25,000 only 5000 were fit for action. Yet he described the Crimea as a masterpiece of Victorian logistics. What a great historian he is.
@@freebeerfordworkers The case was made that they were able to send men and supplies to Crimea, and soldiers fought in Crimea for a purpose, yet only a few people or supplies were sent to Ireland for the purpose of ending hunger. The fact that so many of the soldiers were killed in Crimea demonstrates the lack of concern the British leadership had toward their subjects.
@@ATLmodK It illustrates that the organisation of the Victorian state was simply not up to the task. It doesn't demonstrate lack of concern when the public found out the government collapsed it was a simple logistical disaster from start to finish. Cecil Woodham Smith who is actually a historian wrote a standard work "The Great Hunger" considered the bungling in the Crimea duplicated the maladministration in the famine. This is expanded in another of her books "The reason why" showing how an aristocratic military was totally incompetent. Incidentally the people of Britain through the British Relief Association for the Irish famine donated more than anyone else. From convicts in prison ships, individual fundraisers, factory workers right up to the queen. The railways transported famine relief free of charge and shipping companies made vessels available. Nevertheless people in Ireland prefer to believe Parnell's outrageous lie that the queen donated £5 adding it was the same amount she gave to a dog's home. Or a completely fabricated story of the Turkish Sultan smuggling food into Drogheda. To return to the Crimea they did not fight for a purpose its reckoned one of the most pointless wars Britain ever undertook and the prime-minister never forgave himself for allowing it to happen.
@@ATLmodK My detailed reply saying that is incorrect has been deleted instantly. I don't know why it wasn't in the least offensive but I've included deliberate blah blah blah because I'm told that sometimes beats the sensor
Having watched the history of Scotland also, the Scots v the English was in fact a far more violent history than English v Irish. And that's saying something. Irish Independence was hard won ..
***** The Irish were stuck in the their ways, completely divided. Didn't even like the idea of "towns" still don't. Éire was easy to invade, still is.What Irish people do better than anyone else is Guerrilla warfare, don't have the numbers for massive battles. To say the Scots put up a far harder fight is completely ignorant, 6 wars between England and Scotland, 11 between Éire and England. Scottish nobles could train armies because they had money, they were greedy. Irish "nobles" gave their money(cattle) to the people. ye think you'd know the history of your own Island
***** More successful? Last time I checked all of Scotland is part of the Union.. and as for far harder, they gave up centuries ago unlike the Irish. Most of Ireland today is free from British tyranny and the six counties are still fighting on for freedom.
What a very informative series about how much the Irish people suffered in their own country at the hands of the english.I am pretty sure what the scots will vote for in 2014.
@@Tereyoc Thank you, its not too late! How do you know its James McNally of Afrocelt?? I would love to find this exact arrangement... however, I found 2 other versions, its a Russian folk tune! called Uzh i Ya th-cam.com/video/_DX08nQows0/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/gSNQe0XM58A/w-d-xo.html
@@zulusite1695 those videos are cool thanks. At the end in the credits he's named a the doing music. The difference between the Russian instruments and what's on here is uileann pipes (Irish bag pipes) and drums are used. Afro celt are Caribbean and Irish trad band there in gangs of new york
The privilege and duty ordained by birth - it is always hard to strike the balance. I read somewhere that Irish were very sympathetic to the Japanese when the war broke out. It is not that hard to understand why when one thinks about the way the Irish look at the British aristocracies. At the same time, all the people in England and Scotland I had dealing with were all very good to me. This makes my position difficult in the light of defending the Irish cause.
I think lessons can still be learned today of the consequences of laissez-faire, small government, self-reliance, market forces as the main political creed. The flip side of that often ends up being a lot of misery. Especially those descendants of the millions of Irish who are now living in the USA.
In the America of 2016-2020 this type of government was a danger to those of us who had immigrant ancestors of all national and ethnic roots. A bad response to a pandemic caused half a million deaths. Government needs to take responsibility for the needs of it’s citizens.
Northern Ireland (in terms of its Unionist majority) is more wedded to the Union than bloody England. After decades of the Troubles we English would mostly be happy for Norn Iron to go its own way, united with the Republic or not but we don't feel much desire to hold on to it. As with the Falklands it's a question of what the locals want, or a majority of them, and in both cases they want to be part of the United Kingdom and its dependencies. And there has been no stealing of oil down there. :)
I enjoyed this documentary as a whole and it did have some good balance at times. However, I had a problem with a few of it's assertions.Starting from the beginning, The first that jumped out to me, and I see it a lot now is, whether or not the Irish were Celts because of questionable gaps in the the historical records or recent DNA findings. I find this question, or the outright assertion, to be very misleading. Just because they didn't use the word Celt to describe themselves? Please notice they didn't tell us what they did refer to themselves as either, so that doesn't come close to determining the issue one way or another. It is my understanding that the word "Celt" was a foreign term used to describe the similar tribes that migrated into Western Europe from Central Europe. Some of these tribes migrated west a lot earlier than than the others. Some also went more directly West to Western Europe and some went South-West eventually reaching different points in the Isles. The Gaels, being one these tribes, first passed through Spain, settling some, then leaving into Ireland. This would account for DNA similarities with Northern Spain especially. I don't think the the DNA similarities with Northern Spain mean that the Gaels were really Basque in DNA and culture when everything else found has shown ties to the other Celtic tribes. Even though there is a differnece in DNA with the Welsh and Bretons it is very small by comparison to other ethnic groups and they are still very close to one another. That's how I have understood it anyhow but maybe I'm missing something here. If I'm right though this could be a bad case of extreme revisionist history with an agenda. The other thing was the issue of Brian Boru and the vikings. Ok maybe a little revision is necessary to allow for some viking mercenaries on Brian's side and a good portion of Irish on the Dublin side but overall the story remains the same. Brian's side was still overwhelmingly Irish fighting for Irish control and the Dublin force was still, at least, half Viking, if not more, fighting for Viking control. I don't think there was a need to try to blur the lines and make it as if it was they were they widely diverse groups of no identity or purpose other than personal achievement. I think the comment linking racism and far right politics was a serious socialist/liberal attempt to slander conservatives as being racist when there are many, many conservatives who are minorities. Also, it was the far right policies of Abraham Lincoln's Republican party that pushed the freedom of African American's from slavery in the first place against the far left policies of democrats. Lastly, the emphasis on globalization being the key element for Ireland's success is a little suspicious. There is a globalization effort under way and I wonder if it's related. I was always surpised that with Ireland's history with unionism they went with the european union. I know there are big differneces but there are some small similarities with any kind of unionization. I don't think globalism and unionization is going to be a good thing in the long run. I think it's one of those things that sound good on the surface but is very decieving.
Very informative series... but it really starts to bother me that the narrator guy is wearing exactly the same suit throughout- it shows him walking across Europe and the Americas, talking to people and visiting places over a shoot that likely took months- yet his clothes never change! Not sure why, but I find it very distracting...
People tend to be incredibly short-sighted but if you were to correlate the data, you could possibly see potential vectors but the amount of data is incredible and would take a lot of processing power. Though, the example I provided of Genocide prevention is a good enough example of utilizing historical events to create an outline of the general trends of genocide and the warning signs of a genocide. The utilization of these genocide warnings could prevent genocide but there is a lack of will.
Lol indeed. Had the Fenians done their homework they would have found that the Irish living in Canada were dead-set against the scheme, the reason being that in Canada Catholics and Protestants had the exact same civil rights and political privileges. Irish-Canadians were hoping that this policy would eventually extend to the homeland and thus were strongly against any form of secession of Ireland from the UK and considered Fenians as hostile invaders. Fenians were doomed to fail.
In this series the reference to the English assumes this is a homogeneous group. England and the island of Britan has it's own history of conflict invasion and resistance. Even to this day I find the culture of the north of England more like the Irish than the Anglo-Saxon southeast.
English is peculiar among Germanic languages for the overwhelming influence French has exerted over it, especially in its vocabulary and sentence structure which have little in common with other Germanic languages but is very similar to Old French such as in invariably placing the adjective in front of the noun (partially reversed in modern French). While this makes written English relatively easy to master for French speakers it also renders it more puzzling to other Europeans.
To be honest... we have very similar DNA. :) recent research has shown this. There is a small amount of DNA and ancestry that speaks of different invasions, and therein lies the difference between Irish and English.
Keane is seriously wrong when he mentions that blacks and poor European immigrants mingled in Five Points. Even though the Irish, Germans and Scandinavians who lived in that part of Manhattan were nearly destitute, they were no more willing to share their living space with blacks than "native" white Americans were. Besides, municipal authorities would not allow it. Sad but true, segregation based on skin color was universal in 19th-century America.... or France, or England, etc.
That's a bit nonsensical. The BBC was not expressing hatred of the principle of self-reliance per se, or even of the Prime Minister whose insistence on it contributed to worsening of the famine. The point is this principle assumes a level playing field for all people, and that doesn't exist; at that time in Ireland the Catholic poor were not in a position to rely on themselves. You're looking at this issue from a USA perspective that arose from specific conditions which don't apply elsewhere.
It is horrible what the church has been doing to children in Ireland as in other parts of the world. The one thing I'm glad about is that it's come to light and the Irish people are gradually disassociating themselves from that church. I guess it had to happen after independence not before as beforehand Catholicism was a rallying point for most Irish. It's amazing it's taken eight decades since then. I look forward to an Ireland both south and north that steps away from religious identification.
Through meticulous analysis of history i will find a way to make the people worship me. By studding the conquerors of days gone by, i can find the decisions that made them go awry So you can make the same mistakes if you just try? By studding the past so carefully, I wont repeat the same mistakes of history -Pinky and the Brain "a Meticulous Analyst of History"
I am an uneducated Japanese of humble means and I have no place in discussing in Anglo-Irish matters but I am given to understand that the government in the past treated Irish like personal backyards of the English landlords and aristocracies. Some laws banned the imports of affordable grains, when the Potato Famine hit Ireland, some Lords tried to sustain the laws. During the 1st WW, some Irish nationalists were executed when they should not have been, destroying loyalty. So the list goes on.
tnaki1971jp I would make just one correction. There was no famine in Ireland. A famine suggests no available food. There was no shortage of food. The food was exported by Britain. The blight that destroyed the potato crop for several harvests in a row led to the mass starvation because it was the main crop that the poor depended on to live.
I know this is old, but I will try my best to explain. The truth is that the Irish came to be treated like guests in their own home. Ireland was the first true colony of the British Empire and she paid a horrific price for it. Almost 200 years before the famine, Ireland lost the Battle of the Boyne (look it up for further explanations) and with that loss in battle the people lost everything they had. Ireland had already gone through plantations and indirect rule by England before, but with the Boyne, the misery accelerated and broke past the usual halo that surrounds what is now Dublin. The traditional nobility were stripped of everything and in their place rose a largely Protestant class of overlords. Coming from Japan, it may seem trivial to you which Christian denomination ruled, but the significance, I promise you, is very very big. The Irish natives were loyal to Catholicism and wanted to keep practicing it as they had done for over a thousand years. That went down the crapper when the supporters of William III won. It was less to do with the beliefs held by the two factions, but more about who's version of self determination would win. Parliament passed the Penal Laws, laws designed to systematically deny the conquered from any kind of social advancement and over time the Irish were reduced to illiterate peasants at the bottom of society. (The last of these laws was not repealed until 1829.) The years after the Battle of the Boyne resulted in outright pogrom and by the end of the 18th century the Ascendancy, the descendants of the initial conquerors, ruled by threat of violence and by fear. They owned something like 95% of the land in Ireland by the year 1840 and more than half of them used a huge chain of middlemen to manage their Irish estates and “enforce” their will. Many of them were completely indifferent to the tenants who depended on them for life and livelihood. Nearly all of them rarely even visited their estates. When the Famine came, all hell broke loose. The majority of the population had nothing to eat as the one food that kept them alive was gone and nobody of the age knew how to treat the fungus. Today, it is not difficult: a copper based fungicide does the trick nicely. The people in charge were believers in the free market being a panacea to all problems: they did not understand that the rule book gets thrown out the window in a crisis. They were willfully ignorant and arrogant, and did not want the Irish to become too dependent on them for aid. They did not want to get it through their thick skulls that there was no replacement for the potato crop and thus no way for the people who were the legs upon which Irish society stood on to recover and the first instinct was the right one: Robert Peel, for all his faults, was right in that they need to EAT before any other consideration was given. The English, and most specifically the cretins that governed Parliament, allowed the Poor Laws to go unchecked and unchanged until the dawn of the 20th century. Poor Laws placed the responsibility of the welfare of the poor on the local parish one occupied. Imagine a scenario where you are an Irishman, a Catholic, but you have no choice but to pay a tithe to the Church of Ireland every year. In effect, you must fund a church you do not support and since separation of Church and State does not exactly exist in England, in effect you are paying tribute. This tribute was never lifted during the Famine. To be fair, there were a notable number of clergymen within the Protestant churches in Ireland who were kind and good men: their letter survive and it is quite clear they were hopping mad at Trevelyan and many were horrified at the indifference and greed. They did whatever they could to tend the sick and the dying, but they were limited by what they could do as nobody was gonna help them, and definitely not enough help was coming from London or the Archbishop of Canterbury. Getting back to the Poor Laws, they were a bad thing in England that caused the conditions Charles Dickens often wrote about, but they helped destroy Ireland in the 1840s. Trevelyan was a monster, that much is clear, since he believed God was punishing the Irish and it was divine justice responsible for the Famine. It is patent BULLSHIT. It was his own bigotry against them and failure to realize that England's past policies had caused the then current state of the Irish people. He should have asked for the assistance of parish priests, not landlords or middle men, since they would have been more listened to and in the Catholic hierarchy SOMEBODY would have understood both Irish and English. He could have solved some of the crisis of food by increasing the supply of maize purchased from America and asking for a ridiculous amount of red beans, seed form and eating form: red beans would not be affected by phytophthera infestans in terms of local planting and little picture booklets explaining how to cook and prepare each would have worked nicely. Even later instructions for how to plant and store beans would have been a help. He could have commandeered ships, even old junkers, to cast their nets into the sea on the West coast and he could have ordered a crap ton of cabbage seeds: he could have asked cotton producers in the US South for raw cotton: fish can be smoked so it keeps for long periods, cotton in the raw often has seeds in it that can be pressed into cottonseed oil, which in turn can be used for cooking, and cabbages were something the Irish already were familiar with. All told, fish, maybe a little fried cornmeal pancake, beans, cabbage: it would have worked out nicely. Instead he allowed exports of nearly every morsel of food to leave that island and did not shed a tear when millions fled for their lives. And as for Victoria, she did what she always did: she left her ministers to their own devices and never once saw the skeletal children gasping for their last breath in hovels. The country was cursed with a Queen with a brain the size of a walnut when it came to Irish politics.
@@marykatherinegoode2773 Oh, my! Thank you for your time and trouble. I shall sit and have a proper attempt to read your reply. I am in the middle of financial problem. As soon as that is out of the way. I just wanted to thank you for your time and effort.
Excuse me, Irish sounds so different!! Am I right in assuming that there is no hope of even vaguely understanding it if you have no knowledge? No similarities whatsoever? I am talking about the part which begins at 49:30 or thereabouts.
It's not that simple. Just for reminder, several of the most prominent anti-British Irish nationalists were not Catholic. The religious aspect of the conflict is often grossly exaggerated by the Catholic Church in an attempt to portray itself as the main driving force behind Irish nationalism when in reality it was often detrimental to it.
Why would the Church want to encourage dirty freethinking republicanism? It led to the ruin that Ireland and Europe stands at the precipice of. It’s good to see that all things Godless are now coming to their inevitable ruin, to be honest with you. And the Church will soon find herself more glorious than ever, after all the vicious revolutionaries have been exorcised from the Churches.
Between catholic persecution, the indifference of a church that did not show up during the starving times, the magdalen laundry horrors, the decades of priest rape and sex scandals, and financial corruption...I wonder the mental defectiveness that would compel an Irish person to catholicism today.
Tho Irish and English are ultimately related from millennia back, they belong to two different branches of the Indo-European family and are hardly similar at all. There are one or two words that have passed from one language to the other, but mostly it's impossible to understand any Irish just from knowing any English.
@@PanglossDr not to mention the fact that they also have a lot of 'English' words that are also of French origin as well. The word Tory is also anj irish word meaning bandit.
It means telling a different story from the one that was told before. Or, telling a different story from what is true. What I'm wondering is what you think that was in this documentary.
We were invaded and treated like animals dispossessed of land and possessions, persecuted because of our religion and most of all the constant denial that it took place.
Wow to have 800 year's of conflict to Go to being the richest country in 2019 Ireland and it's people are really strong meanwhile England Is dying due to Islamic invasion
To back up Donegal, part of the reason for the war of independence was the British had decided not to invade any more Indian land, and forbade colonists to move west into it. As soon as those colonists were free of British control (before the end of the war, not after it) they were streaming west and fighting new wars with the Indians to take over their land. Also while Indians did fight wars against each other, they were not the wholesale slaughters and takeovers that white people brought.
Unfortunately Rev. Boyle-Townsend is often forgotten, because in the eyes of some he belonged to the "wrong" Church. It should be about the man not the institution. Oh well.
In reference to the Ulster Protestants, Keane continually promotes the myth that they were "descendants of the 17th Century settlers", in reference to a rather sectarian belief that the Catholic and Protestant cultures in the North existed for centuries as two uniquely inviolable traditions. In fact there was a mini-Reformation in the North after plantation, during which several native Irish families converted to the reformed church or married into it. Unfortunately commentators like Keane are particularly ungenerous in how much genealogical nuance they allow these communities. In fact I found it rather refreshing to hear the other gentleman remind everyone that the "Anglo-Irish" weren't simply descendants of Cromwellians, that they, too, had rather mixed ancestries, as do all humans living in complex societies.
Not always so. I've met plenty of Germans, through school and other ways who nearly speak much better English than I do German. If it's so difficult, why do they find this so easy?
I think they forgot to mention that there was plenty of other food during the famine, but it was being exported to England. Much of the grain brought into the country was cattle feed for the dairy and beef industry.
Yes they “forgot” to mention that. Wonder why British Broadcasting Corporation would “forget” this.
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It was the other way round Irish grain is suitable for cattle feed they imported edible grains. An ardent Patriots said they imported maize which was cattle feed because that was good enough Irish peasants. Which is a rather odd statement because maize was the staple diet of the indigenous population of Mexico and Central America and so important it had its own god.
It was the other way round Irish grain is suitable for cattle feed they imported edible grains. An ardent Patriots said they imported maize which was cattle feed because that was good enough Irish peasants. Which is a rather odd statement because maize was the staple diet of the indigenous population of Mexico and Central America and so important it had its own god.
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Wolfe Tone, Townsend, Parnell, Hyde... there seems to have been a stream of Protestant Irish people dedicated to the cause of Irish independence.
Which is ironic really that they were the people who passed most of the peanal laws and ignored their colonial masters continuing attempt to mitigate them
@@freebeerfordworkers Well of course, they weren't the same people. They may have been from the class that did those things, but that doesn't mean they had to have the same attitude. There are many rebels and reformers who come from the class of oppressors, in all different societies. Being close to it is what turns them against it, if their minds are more decent.
@@MatthewMcVeagh That's fine but why did they blame England for what their own people were doing? King Billy wrote in his own hand that he considered the Irish penal law's excessive and like successive British governments he was ignored.
Well done work by RTE and BBC. Thanks for posting
Being 5th generation Irish in Canada, From Derry I am so enjoying this History. Thank you for posting this series on you tubeon you tube.
Erin Go Bragh
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I absolutely love the great illustrations made for this documentary. Nearly forgot about the technique although i leared it in art school.
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Ireland and England - very few people in Japan know why the relationship between them is so strained.
Richard Townsend was a hero of the Famine and will NEVER be forgotten.
Katharine Moseley I too am amazed at the history of the Irish in America and the more I read the more I understand my Great Grandmother. Both my Great grand parents on my Dads side of the family fled Ireland in the mid 1800's to come to America. I had the priveledge of knowing My GGGrandmother in her later years and to listen to her tell her history back to Ireland. What a fastinating and sad story she told and the sacrifices they faced to leave Ireland. And I now better understand her intense hatred of the British. I wish I could have recorded her stories, She was a tough lady living to just short of her 100th birthday and having grown up on the prairre of N Dakota on a homestead. Land to them was important as they could not own land in Ireland.
Wilbur Finnegan I do talk to my own family about Irish history and they're not interested even a local massacre not interested. My dad says as long as the economy is going well.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Mullaghmast
The story of Davitt and Parnell would make a fantastic movie, much better than the shit currently coming out of Hollywood.
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Was a potato blight, not a famine. There was food on the Island, in the streams and in the ocean but the Catholic peasants were forbidden from taking food from these resources by the English land owning nobility. This was a tragedy made in small measure by a potato blight but in larger part due to the callousness of the English and their need to earn profits from their ill gotten land.
Not just the English, Scottiish as well.
Anthony Inger Also Catholic and Protestant landowners wanting to have more profitable cattle instead of non paying tenants.
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They weren't Scottish, we ran them out, they were loyal to the crown only.
I would say it was more socially and religiously driven than economically. The Priminister at the time, believed in giving the Irish relief would create a nanny state in which the population would become dependant on the state. Of course this view was idiotic.
Andrew Duff That is garbage. If there are fish in the stream and game on the land there is no need to "provide relief" just allow the Irish to feed themselves with the food already on their land. Remember, potato blight, not famine. If there was not an insanely oppressive system in place that prevented the Irish from using their own resources there would have been no famine.
A very informative video..
Thank you Mr Keane...
I had some questions regarding the land act and of the petty bourgeois class that emerged in the late 1800s..
beautiful graphic art by david rooney.
Very recommendable!
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We Continental Europeans with some historical knowledge will always remember that grain and wheat our forefathers had saved from their own poor nutrition stocks for helping the starving Irish population had been stolen by protestant distributive organizations.
Only converts to protestantism got access to these food donations, which also did come from the Russian Zar and the Ottoman Court.
Trivia: Well over a third of the British army was Irish during the 18th and 19th century
The Catholic majority in Ireland were only allowed to join the army in 1791. You may be correct about the 19th century.
@@mango2005 I have my doubts about the 19th century, there's an interesting article in the Irish Times about how anyone who joined the English army to fight WW1 was rudely punished on return, if not assassinated. As for WW2, the Irish went to Canada or Australia to join their armies in order to fight the war.... just goes to show. Also, if you look further back Napolean had an Irish Brigade.
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Any Irishman who joined the British Army to fight in WW2 was persecuted in Ireland, if he returned.
No jobs in any government controlled organisation.
Schools, hospitals, civil service, Police etc
My Irish Great Grand Father came here to America and was shot at by the thugs his boss hired to take down his union. The reason we have basic working standards today isn't because of the free market. It's because my great grand father won >D
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Something the series doesn't address much is linguistic change and education. When did the majority of the Irish first speak English (mostly as a second language), and when did the majority speak English as a first language? More widely how did the shift in education under English-imposed law in the 1600s(?) away from Catholic educators and Irish cultural identity change the experience of being Irish? How successful were their attempts and resistance?
My experience working in the Anglophone Caribbean is the simultaneous education and miseducation of both the elite and the common man (now people) were to critical to the debasing of heritage of the colonial subject and the tools of resistance. Ireland was the first settler colony of the English; was it any different?
Very interesting questions!
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The Potato Famine was one of the most ridiculous episodes in the history of Ireland and Britain. I suspect it was then that my ancestors on my Dad's side came over here to England.
I had both Catholic and Protestant ancestors who fled the famine.
Well said sir! :)
The word "Trevelyan" should be put in the dictionary as a definition of a person who doesn't give a crap about men, women and children who are dying of famine and who wanted them to die.
+Niall Dempsey He was an example of religious fundamentalism
He was an example of political,doctrinal,fundamentalism.I do not think he had much religion in him
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I love the art sketches at the start of the program. Anybody tell me the name of it
I think it's a kind of dry point etching. Dry point etches into wax on a plate like this
Scotland joined the Union in 1707 not 1746.
He said "Safely ensconced in..." not "joined." There were battles for years.
There is no doubt the Union led to the Famine. The 1741 Famine came to a relatively quick end because the Irish Parliament closed the ports to agricultural exports. The British parliament rejected appeals to do the same.
Bollox! The 1741 Famine only lasted ONE YEAR......THAT was the fuckin' difference!
The Great Famine saw 5 out of 6 years of near complete harvest failure due to the Blight! There was THREE TIMES more food IMPORTED than EXPORTED, in the late 1840s...do you know anything, ffs??
British settlers had mostly bought up the land before Union. Union brought Catholic emancipation, but unfortunately few indigenous Irish yet owned land when the blight hit.
God brought the blight on the Potato harvest but the British Government brought the famine. Huge amounts of meat and poultry etc was exported during the famine.
@@DonegalRaymie201 The famine of 1741 ended in one year because the ports were closed. The ports were not closed during the 1840s famine, and more food was exported than imported. www.usbornefamilytree.com/irishfoodexports.htm
@@saintpat4706 It took 29 yrs after the Union before Catholic Emancipation happened.
Essential history; never knew this dark history influenced immigration to north american nor migration representing both our past and destiny.
Wasn’t most migration to America due to necessity at that time.
Without question one the most accurate prsentations of how The Republic or ireland came to be....
History is important because it shows reoccurring themes in human nature, the knowledge of that nature/reactions can help mitigate issues or prevent them from happening.
For example, Genocide, if you learn about the various genocides that have been committed throughout the last century. You will notice trends that are precursors to genocide and those trends can help people prevent potential genocides from happening.
Eire was lost as soon as emancipation was denied..
To understand the role Britain had in exacerbating the outcomes of the potato blight, read The Famine Plot, by Tim Pat Coogan. Let us remember that plenty of food was grown in Ireland for export.
Yes he wrote if Britain could maintain a 100,000 army in the Crimea 2000 miles away it shouldn't have had any trouble feeding the population of Ireland a couple of hundred miles away. He seems to be unaware that Britain sent 65,000 men to the Crimea and within a year 40,000 of them were dead of of disease of the remaining 25,000 only 5000 were fit for action. Yet he described the Crimea as a masterpiece of Victorian logistics. What a great historian he is.
@@freebeerfordworkers The case was made that they were able to send men and supplies to Crimea, and soldiers fought in Crimea for a purpose, yet only a few people or supplies were sent to Ireland for the purpose of ending hunger.
The fact that so many of the soldiers were killed in Crimea demonstrates the lack of concern the British leadership had toward their subjects.
@@ATLmodK It illustrates that the organisation of the Victorian state was simply not up to the task. It doesn't demonstrate lack of concern when the public found out the government collapsed it was a simple logistical disaster from start to finish. Cecil Woodham Smith who is actually a historian wrote a standard work "The Great Hunger" considered the bungling in the Crimea duplicated the maladministration in the famine. This is expanded in another of her books "The reason why" showing how an aristocratic military was totally incompetent.
Incidentally the people of Britain through the British Relief Association for the Irish famine donated more than anyone else. From convicts in prison ships, individual fundraisers, factory workers right up to the queen. The railways transported famine relief free of charge and shipping companies made vessels available.
Nevertheless people in Ireland prefer to believe Parnell's outrageous lie that the queen donated £5 adding it was the same amount she gave to a dog's home. Or a completely fabricated story of the Turkish Sultan smuggling food into Drogheda.
To return to the Crimea they did not fight for a purpose its reckoned one of the most pointless wars Britain ever undertook and the prime-minister never forgave himself for allowing it to happen.
@@ATLmodK My detailed reply saying that is incorrect has been deleted instantly. I don't know why it wasn't in the least offensive but I've included deliberate blah blah blah because I'm told that sometimes beats the sensor
bruh where are the subtitles
Having watched the history of Scotland also, the Scots v the English was in fact a far more violent history than English v Irish. And that's saying something. Irish Independence was hard won ..
You are high as a kite if you think the Irish had it better than the Scots
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No, but the Scots put up a far harder fight, (and more successful!), than the Irish did......So actually did the Welsh!
***** That's why they are still governed from London today is it? Too many Robert the Elders and not enough William Wallaces!
***** The Irish were stuck in the their ways, completely divided. Didn't even like the idea of "towns" still don't. Éire was easy to invade, still is.What Irish people do better than anyone else is Guerrilla warfare, don't have the numbers for massive battles. To say the Scots put up a far harder fight is completely ignorant, 6 wars between England and Scotland, 11 between Éire and England. Scottish nobles could train armies because they had money, they were greedy. Irish "nobles" gave their money(cattle) to the people. ye think you'd know the history of your own Island
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More successful? Last time I checked all of Scotland is part of the Union.. and as for far harder, they gave up centuries ago unlike the Irish. Most of Ireland today is free from British tyranny and the six counties are still fighting on for freedom.
What a very informative series about how much the Irish people suffered in their own country at the hands of the english.I am pretty sure what the scots will vote for in 2014.
Has anyone any idea of who is behind that amazing backround music starting at 3:00 ?? Thanks!
This is a bit late😂. The music is from James McNally he's in afro celt but I can't find that song either
@@Tereyoc Thank you, its not too late! How do you know its James McNally of Afrocelt?? I would love to find this exact arrangement... however, I found 2 other versions, its a Russian folk tune! called Uzh i Ya
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@@zulusite1695 those videos are cool thanks. At the end in the credits he's named a the doing music. The difference between the Russian instruments and what's on here is uileann pipes (Irish bag pipes) and drums are used. Afro celt are Caribbean and Irish trad band there in gangs of new york
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The privilege and duty ordained by birth - it is always hard to strike the balance.
I read somewhere that Irish were very sympathetic to the Japanese when the war broke out. It is not that hard to understand why when one thinks about the way the Irish look at the British aristocracies.
At the same time, all the people in England and Scotland I had dealing with were all very good to me. This makes my position difficult in the light of defending the Irish cause.
I think lessons can still be learned today of the consequences of laissez-faire, small government, self-reliance, market forces as the main political creed. The flip side of that often ends up being a lot of misery.
Especially those descendants of the millions of Irish who are now living in the USA.
In the America of 2016-2020 this type of government was a danger to those of us who had immigrant ancestors of all national and ethnic roots. A bad response to a pandemic caused half a million deaths. Government needs to take responsibility for the needs of it’s citizens.
Northern Ireland (in terms of its Unionist majority) is more wedded to the Union than bloody England.
After decades of the Troubles we English would mostly be happy for Norn Iron to go its own way, united with the Republic or not but we don't feel much desire to hold on to it.
As with the Falklands it's a question of what the locals want, or a majority of them, and in both cases they want to be part of the United Kingdom and its dependencies.
And there has been no stealing of oil down there. :)
I enjoyed this documentary as a whole and it did have some good balance at times. However, I had a problem with a few of it's assertions.Starting from the beginning, The first that jumped out to me, and I see it a lot now is, whether or not the Irish were Celts because of questionable gaps in the the historical records or recent DNA findings. I find this question, or the outright assertion, to be very misleading. Just because they didn't use the word Celt to describe themselves? Please notice they didn't tell us what they did refer to themselves as either, so that doesn't come close to determining the issue one way or another. It is my understanding that the word "Celt" was a foreign term used to describe the similar tribes that migrated into Western Europe from Central Europe. Some of these tribes migrated west a lot earlier than than the others. Some also went more directly West to Western Europe and some went South-West eventually reaching different points in the Isles. The Gaels, being one these tribes, first passed through Spain, settling some, then leaving into Ireland. This would account for DNA similarities with Northern Spain especially. I don't think the the DNA similarities with Northern Spain mean that the Gaels were really Basque in DNA and culture when everything else found has shown ties to the other Celtic tribes. Even though there is a differnece in DNA with the Welsh and Bretons it is very small by comparison to other ethnic groups and they are still very close to one another. That's how I have understood it anyhow but maybe I'm missing something here. If I'm right though this could be a bad case of extreme revisionist history with an agenda. The other thing was the issue of Brian Boru and the vikings. Ok maybe a little revision is necessary to allow for some viking mercenaries on Brian's side and a good portion of Irish on the Dublin side but overall the story remains the same. Brian's side was still overwhelmingly Irish fighting for Irish control and the Dublin force was still, at least, half Viking, if not more, fighting for Viking control. I don't think there was a need to try to blur the lines and make it as if it was they were they widely diverse groups of no identity or purpose other than personal achievement. I think the comment linking racism and far right politics was a serious socialist/liberal attempt to slander conservatives as being racist when there are many, many conservatives who are minorities. Also, it was the far right policies of Abraham Lincoln's Republican party that pushed the freedom of African American's from slavery in the first place against the far left policies of democrats. Lastly, the emphasis on globalization being the key element for Ireland's success is a little suspicious. There is a globalization effort under way and I wonder if it's related. I was always surpised that with Ireland's history with unionism they went with the european union. I know there are big differneces but there are some small similarities with any kind of unionization. I don't think globalism and unionization is going to be a good thing in the long run. I think it's one of those things that sound good on the surface but is very decieving.
Nah that's a load of horseshit.
If it is, it's amusing how little difference that made to his political standing compared to the revelations of Parnell's affair later in the century.
So now you all should know why every county town in Ireland has an O'Connell and a Parnell St.!
Downpatrick hasn’t an O’Connell and a Parnell St.We have English St,Scotch St and Irish St.
Very informative series... but it really starts to bother me that the narrator guy is wearing exactly the same suit throughout- it shows him walking across Europe and the Americas, talking to people and visiting places over a shoot that likely took months- yet his clothes never change! Not sure why, but I find it very distracting...
I wouldn't worry about that, plenty of British people defend the Irish cause! :)
People tend to be incredibly short-sighted but if you were to correlate the data, you could possibly see potential vectors but the amount of data is incredible and would take a lot of processing power.
Though, the example I provided of Genocide prevention is a good enough example of utilizing historical events to create an outline of the general trends of genocide and the warning signs of a genocide. The utilization of these genocide warnings could prevent genocide but there is a lack of will.
Wheres the other parts?
Lol indeed. Had the Fenians done their homework they would have found that the Irish living in Canada were dead-set against the scheme, the reason being that in Canada Catholics and Protestants had the exact same civil rights and political privileges. Irish-Canadians were hoping that this policy would eventually extend to the homeland and thus were strongly against any form of secession of Ireland from the UK and considered Fenians as hostile invaders. Fenians were doomed to fail.
FEAR. FEAR FEAR.....
In this series the reference to the English assumes this is a homogeneous group. England and the island of Britan has it's own history of conflict invasion and resistance. Even to this day I find the culture of the north of England more like the Irish than the Anglo-Saxon southeast.
the point of a commercial isn't to rob the show.
McScotland and O'ireland are best countries in the world
English is peculiar among Germanic languages for the overwhelming influence French has exerted over it, especially in its vocabulary and sentence structure which have little in common with other Germanic languages but is very similar to Old French such as in invariably placing the adjective in front of the noun (partially reversed in modern French). While this makes written English relatively easy to master for French speakers it also renders it more puzzling to other Europeans.
To be honest... we have very similar DNA. :) recent research has shown this. There is a small amount of DNA and ancestry that speaks of different invasions, and therein lies the difference between Irish and English.
Keane is seriously wrong when he mentions that blacks and poor European immigrants mingled in Five Points. Even though the Irish, Germans and Scandinavians who lived in that part of Manhattan were nearly destitute, they were no more willing to share their living space with blacks than "native" white Americans were. Besides, municipal authorities would not allow it. Sad but true, segregation based on skin color was universal in 19th-century America.... or France, or England, etc.
Maybe we could meet up and exchange notes and maybe recipes to. Oh no seems I can't I have a life.
Such noble sentiments my lord trevelyan. Is there any irony in what you say?
Where the state fails in its responsabilities, the church insinuates itself for power and gain.
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In not so large a geographical region, two totally different flows of race had occurred, it seems.
That's a bit nonsensical. The BBC was not expressing hatred of the principle of self-reliance per se, or even of the Prime Minister whose insistence on it contributed to worsening of the famine. The point is this principle assumes a level playing field for all people, and that doesn't exist; at that time in Ireland the Catholic poor were not in a position to rely on themselves. You're looking at this issue from a USA perspective that arose from specific conditions which don't apply elsewhere.
It is horrible what the church has been doing to children in Ireland as in other parts of the world. The one thing I'm glad about is that it's come to light and the Irish people are gradually disassociating themselves from that church. I guess it had to happen after independence not before as beforehand Catholicism was a rallying point for most Irish. It's amazing it's taken eight decades since then. I look forward to an Ireland both south and north that steps away from religious identification.
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Through meticulous analysis of history i will find a way to make the people worship me.
By studding the conquerors of days gone by, i can find the decisions that made them go awry
So you can make the same mistakes if you just try?
By studding the past so carefully, I wont repeat the same mistakes of history
-Pinky and the Brain "a Meticulous Analyst of History"
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Aontaím go hiomlán leat
I am an uneducated Japanese of humble means and I have no place in discussing in Anglo-Irish matters but I am given to understand that the government in the past treated Irish like personal backyards of the English landlords and aristocracies.
Some laws banned the imports of affordable grains, when the Potato Famine hit Ireland, some Lords tried to sustain the laws.
During the 1st WW, some Irish nationalists were executed when they should not have been, destroying loyalty. So the list goes on.
Famine was genocide
tnaki1971jp I would make just one correction. There was no famine in Ireland. A famine suggests no available food. There was no shortage of food. The food was exported by Britain. The blight that destroyed the potato crop for several harvests in a row led to the mass starvation because it was the main crop that the poor depended on to live.
I know this is old, but I will try my best to explain.
The truth is that the Irish came to be treated like guests in their own home. Ireland was the first true colony of the British Empire and she paid a horrific price for it. Almost 200 years before the famine, Ireland lost the Battle of the Boyne (look it up for further explanations) and with that loss in battle the people lost everything they had. Ireland had already gone through plantations and indirect rule by England before, but with the Boyne, the misery accelerated and broke past the usual halo that surrounds what is now Dublin. The traditional nobility were stripped of everything and in their place rose a largely Protestant class of overlords. Coming from Japan, it may seem trivial to you which Christian denomination ruled, but the significance, I promise you, is very very big. The Irish natives were loyal to Catholicism and wanted to keep practicing it as they had done for over a thousand years. That went down the crapper when the supporters of William III won. It was less to do with the beliefs held by the two factions, but more about who's version of self determination would win.
Parliament passed the Penal Laws, laws designed to systematically deny the conquered from any kind of social advancement and over time the Irish were reduced to illiterate peasants at the bottom of society. (The last of these laws was not repealed until 1829.) The years after the Battle of the Boyne resulted in outright pogrom and by the end of the 18th century the Ascendancy, the descendants of the initial conquerors, ruled by threat of violence and by fear. They owned something like 95% of the land in Ireland by the year 1840 and more than half of them used a huge chain of middlemen to manage their Irish estates and “enforce” their will. Many of them were completely indifferent to the tenants who depended on them for life and livelihood. Nearly all of them rarely even visited their estates.
When the Famine came, all hell broke loose. The majority of the population had nothing to eat as the one food that kept them alive was gone and nobody of the age knew how to treat the fungus. Today, it is not difficult: a copper based fungicide does the trick nicely. The people in charge were believers in the free market being a panacea to all problems: they did not understand that the rule book gets thrown out the window in a crisis. They were willfully ignorant and arrogant, and did not want the Irish to become too dependent on them for aid. They did not want to get it through their thick skulls that there was no replacement for the potato crop and thus no way for the people who were the legs upon which Irish society stood on to recover and the first instinct was the right one: Robert Peel, for all his faults, was right in that they need to EAT before any other consideration was given.
The English, and most specifically the cretins that governed Parliament, allowed the Poor Laws to go unchecked and unchanged until the dawn of the 20th century. Poor Laws placed the responsibility of the welfare of the poor on the local parish one occupied. Imagine a scenario where you are an Irishman, a Catholic, but you have no choice but to pay a tithe to the Church of Ireland every year. In effect, you must fund a church you do not support and since separation of Church and State does not exactly exist in England, in effect you are paying tribute. This tribute was never lifted during the Famine. To be fair, there were a notable number of clergymen within the Protestant churches in Ireland who were kind and good men: their letter survive and it is quite clear they were hopping mad at Trevelyan and many were horrified at the indifference and greed. They did whatever they could to tend the sick and the dying, but they were limited by what they could do as nobody was gonna help them, and definitely not enough help was coming from London or the Archbishop of Canterbury. Getting back to the Poor Laws, they were a bad thing in England that caused the conditions Charles Dickens often wrote about, but they helped destroy Ireland in the 1840s.
Trevelyan was a monster, that much is clear, since he believed God was punishing the Irish and it was divine justice responsible for the Famine. It is patent BULLSHIT. It was his own bigotry against them and failure to realize that England's past policies had caused the then current state of the Irish people.
He should have asked for the assistance of parish priests, not landlords or middle men, since they would have been more listened to and in the Catholic hierarchy SOMEBODY would have understood both Irish and English.
He could have solved some of the crisis of food by increasing the supply of maize purchased from America and asking for a ridiculous amount of red beans, seed form and eating form: red beans would not be affected by phytophthera infestans in terms of local planting and little picture booklets explaining how to cook and prepare each would have worked nicely. Even later instructions for how to plant and store beans would have been a help.
He could have commandeered ships, even old junkers, to cast their nets into the sea on the West coast and he could have ordered a crap ton of cabbage seeds: he could have asked cotton producers in the US South for raw cotton: fish can be smoked so it keeps for long periods, cotton in the raw often has seeds in it that can be pressed into cottonseed oil, which in turn can be used for cooking, and cabbages were something the Irish already were familiar with. All told, fish, maybe a little fried cornmeal pancake, beans, cabbage: it would have worked out nicely.
Instead he allowed exports of nearly every morsel of food to leave that island and did not shed a tear when millions fled for their lives. And as for Victoria, she did what she always did: she left her ministers to their own devices and never once saw the skeletal children gasping for their last breath in hovels. The country was cursed with a Queen with a brain the size of a walnut when it came to Irish politics.
@@marykatherinegoode2773 Oh, my! Thank you for your time and trouble. I shall sit and have a proper attempt to read your reply. I am in the middle of financial problem. As soon as that is out of the way. I just wanted to thank you for your time and effort.
I see. So if England never had the religious division, all this would not have happened?
They would have found another way to persecute the Irish now with Brexit the serve has been return.
Maybe you don't understand what the term revisionism means
Excuse me, Irish sounds so different!! Am I right in assuming that there is no hope of even vaguely understanding it if you have no knowledge? No similarities whatsoever?
I am talking about the part which begins at 49:30 or thereabouts.
You are correct . It's a completely different language to English. Knowledge of it is necessary to understand it.
Ok this is old but i tried to watch a vid and it said 9storyIreland legitly blocked from my state mad im fucking tired of it
Would you like to tell us what falsehoods they told and what truths they omitted or distorted?
yes I am off my medication, I haven´t eaten you yet.
It's not that simple. Just for reminder, several of the most prominent anti-British Irish nationalists were not Catholic. The religious aspect of the conflict is often grossly exaggerated by the Catholic Church in an attempt to portray itself as the main driving force behind Irish nationalism when in reality it was often detrimental to it.
Why would the Church want to encourage dirty freethinking republicanism? It led to the ruin that Ireland and Europe stands at the precipice of. It’s good to see that all things Godless are now coming to their inevitable ruin, to be honest with you. And the Church will soon find herself more glorious than ever, after all the vicious revolutionaries have been exorcised from the Churches.
Are you saying that Irish-Canadians were strongly against Ireland regaining its freedom?
It wasn't the first time Canada was invaded from the south (1812). Now, Canada is getting invaded for their prescription medicine. :P
E.U. Now the bosses
Aye yes, however many of the Canadians were of Irish Descent...
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It gets down into the SHTALK hahaha
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@@josiejacobs346 thanks. Didnt even know I had a youtube account for this long. Its been a good 8 years
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Between catholic persecution, the indifference of a church that did not show up during the starving times, the magdalen laundry horrors, the decades of priest rape and sex scandals, and financial corruption...I wonder the mental defectiveness that would compel an Irish person to catholicism today.
Tho Irish and English are ultimately related from millennia back, they belong to two different branches of the Indo-European family and are hardly similar at all. There are one or two words that have passed from one language to the other, but mostly it's impossible to understand any Irish just from knowing any English.
English has hundreds of words which came from Irish. Banshee, brogue, galore, kibosh, shamrock, slob, slogan.....
@@PanglossDr not to mention the fact that they also have a lot of 'English' words that are also of French origin as well. The word Tory is also anj irish word meaning bandit.
yawn. what nonsense
Because you have admitted, at least in part, to being Irish. It matters because you condemning the British for something you have benefitted from.
the curse from out the many sufferin' martyred tongues of god's chid'dren the english live with... is their own cooking
The famine was a genocide.
So many people bled for Ireland that it should be renamed the ruby isle instead of the emerald isle.
Google up IRA successful missions
It means telling a different story from the one that was told before.
Or, telling a different story from what is true.
What I'm wondering is what you think that was in this documentary.
Can you see any potential genocides shaping up right now?
We were invaded and treated like animals dispossessed of land and possessions, persecuted because of our religion and most of all the constant denial that it took place.
Wow to have 800 year's of conflict to Go to being the richest country in 2019 Ireland and it's people are really strong meanwhile England Is dying due to Islamic invasion
Brits out now
Do you, uh, have any evidence of history actually be used to predict these things?
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To back up Donegal, part of the reason for the war of independence was the British had decided not to invade any more Indian land, and forbade colonists to move west into it. As soon as those colonists were free of British control (before the end of the war, not after it) they were streaming west and fighting new wars with the Indians to take over their land.
Also while Indians did fight wars against each other, they were not the wholesale slaughters and takeovers that white people brought.
Unfortunately Rev. Boyle-Townsend is often forgotten, because in the eyes of some he belonged to the "wrong" Church. It should be about the man not the institution. Oh well.
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In reference to the Ulster Protestants, Keane continually promotes the myth that they were "descendants of the 17th Century settlers", in reference to a rather sectarian belief that the Catholic and Protestant cultures in the North existed for centuries as two uniquely inviolable traditions. In fact there was a mini-Reformation in the North after plantation, during which several native Irish families converted to the reformed church or married into it.
Unfortunately commentators like Keane are particularly ungenerous in how much genealogical nuance they allow these communities. In fact I found it rather refreshing to hear the other gentleman remind everyone that the "Anglo-Irish" weren't simply descendants of Cromwellians, that they, too, had rather mixed ancestries, as do all humans living in complex societies.
Obvious troll is obvious
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Stop looking for independence you love the queen too much you will offend her very much lol
Is it true that Daniel O' Connell had a lot of illegitimate children ?
Its oft repeated but there is no evidence to back up those claims.
Could you all please stop writing bullshit? Enjoy the video and learn from it.
Not always so. I've met plenty of Germans, through school and other ways who nearly speak much better English than I do German. If it's so difficult, why do they find this so easy?